Bros & Shows - Team Nia or Team Britany? (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

What's up Bros? We pick up where we left off in Santa Barbara. Jesse is 2 bottles of champs deep before 10 am so it's gonna be an interesting day. The gang heads to a winery for the day and the bus breaks down on the way. Tensions are still high between Jesse and Michelle and they're only getting worse. At the vineyard, Jesse pulls Michelle to the side to attempt to have a conversation. It goes horribly as expected and she begins making claims about Jesse spending all of their money. Jax continues to rage text Britany throughout the day and she responds every time... Danny gets back from his voice acting role and plays catch up with the vino. Back at the house, Jesse and Michelle get into it again... and it blows up... again. Danny sneaks some tequila in the closet and passes out in bed. Both Janet and Jasmine have some reservations about Danny's drinking. Jasmine rightfully so. But it turns into a thing at the table when Nia says hes just tired and for whatever reason, Jasmine and Britany turn it into a 'Danny and Nia are never authentic' moment. I think we are all aware Danny was drunk. Why that needs to be said flat out we dont understand. As far as Britany claiming she shares everything and Nia shares nothing, they are WILDLY different scenarios... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. we've come a long way from uh talking all the all the crap about this show to i will make a statement and i stand by this statement this is the best reality show on tv right now i don't think anything even comes close to it and when it comes to currently playing shows nothing comes nearly close to it nothing gets me excited like a valley tuesday shows pros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows.

I am your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only gloomy Goots, not the man, the weather. What's up, dude? Yeah, dude, tired as hell with this weather. That's the weather. Not to mention, there's a car alarm that's been going off since, like, noon today. So that's exciting. One of the joys of living downtown. It's just constantly looping, too.

awful. I don't even know if it's still going off or if I'm just going crazy, but, you know, I welcome anyone to come over and kill me ASAP. That would be great. Doctors have gotten to that point. Yeah. It's gotten to the gas. Yeah, that's a good way to talk to myself. Come on over and kill me. Yeah, do it.

Winner gets to, uh, to co-host. Yeah, you could be the replacement for shooter, but you have to have a mustache. Yeah. Or at least wear a fake one. Yeah. Well, you could just wear mine at that point. I'm not using it anymore. You know, wait, yeah. If you kill shooter you have to wear his mustache and then you can take his place on the podcast i think that's a fair trade honestly that's reasonable but to a point about the valley and it's crazy too because yes we know that

there are some mainstays of reality tv that are on here with doty and jacks and brittany but the rest of this crew hasn't been on a show and yeah they've been friends of people who have been on shows does it beg the question should we wait until it should there be like a presidential uh age limit that comes to reality TV. Should we wait until these people turn a certain age to get them to be toxic on TV? Because I think it's much more fun to watch toxic people in their 40s than it is to watch toxic people in their 20s. In their 20s, it's like, wow, you're youthful.

You've got all this energy. In your 40s, it's like, holy shit, you guys are breaking down a divorce like no one else. So I think instead, it's kind of like we like to talk about how when there's a successful structure of a show, they should just try to replicate. that with a similar cast right yeah so i think that falls under the same umbrella there are certain shows that i need 20 somethings doing their thing yeah i.e summer house vanderpump rules southern hospitality okay now i do need a section of shows like the valley that's more relatable not that we're relating to the majority of that relatable but they're closer and age to where it's like wow

they're going through a similar time in their life. I'm glad my life's not like this. Maybe that's what it is. You're like, by comparison, you're like, wow, my life's pretty great. I'm not dealing with all this bullshit. But I think there's a place for both. But I think that what you've honed in on there is making sure that the cast fits what the show model is. And I think that's what we're seeing with Summerhouse right now is this transition into more time in the city every week.

We're going to see what they're doing on their daily lives. that's become more interesting a lot of the time than when we see them partying at the summer house. So I think that you're not wrong. I just think that you dive a little deeper. There's a place for both and we need to know when to ship off a cast to a valley and when they're in their VPR era. I think that's very important distinction. There is also the possibility, and we don't do this often, that Bravo just absolutely nailed the casting for a show. They could have just simply nailed the casting with these sociopaths, putting them in, in a show together. And it works out perfectly because there is a deep rooted friendship, which we talk about for a lot of these

shows. And when it comes to Housewives, that's what we want to. We don't just want familiarity. We want people to actually be friends and have the history. And it looks like these people have it for sure. And yeah, I mean, there's a certain type of person that you can throw in here. And we'll get a divorce or two within one season and then just all shit breaks loose so it's incredibly incredibly entertaining to watch and like you said breaks loose that sounds bad yeah oh what's the phrase now i don't even know what the phrase is all hell breaks loose and this one seems like it needed yeah shit i think i merged those too but i break reminds me of american pie when they called uh what's his face the character shit breaks yeah couldn't make a shit in school

yeah um no this one was simply just i feel like all hell breaks loose didn't really didn't encapsulate it didn't yeah it didn't work as well so i wanted to take it up a notch and shit was the next logical level i think we can all agree on that yeah i know i'm on the same page now that you've explained it to me but yeah i i think that the test of that is coming soon with the shaw's reboot being a valley spin off is it the cast is it the show is it a little bit of both i'm I'm going with both. I think it's the time and place in their lives followed up with a solid cast. I think that Shaw's in this new reiteration of the Valley,

I think there's a similar setup to a very successful show. You've got three returning characters, all extremely well-liked, all very fun to watch. We've seen them do other things. Reza was on traders, I believe. So we've seen them in other capacities, and we've been waiting. A lot of people have been clamoring for Shaw's to come back, or at least the cast to come back. So once again,

you have three people that we know, that we love, that we're ready to be back on TV, and now we surround them with like-minded individuals in the Valley, boom. So now we can test it. That's what I love about this Shaw's show that's coming out. It's like, all right, let's test the theory. Is it the show structure? Let's try it out.

So I love that they're doing that. But most importantly, let's give all of the credit to the Valley because this show fucking rocks. It's so good and you can't say otherwise. You might hate some of the people. on it but they bring it every single week the drama's real these people are nuts i'm excited to get into this episode so we should jump in yeah let's just jump right in all right well we start out in the kitchen uh it's the morning after last week obviously the end of that evening went south in a hurry

with jesse storming off and threatening to drive home whilst intoxicated the next day we're starting off in the kitchen with uh jesse it was a dody and luke i believe yep yeah luke just fired up some eggs no one's around to eat them bummer for everybody else jesse cracked open a bottle of champs early i have i have something to say on this matter okay go ahead not not recovery steel i don't care for the shade that he got for popping the bottle in the morning neither dody was popping a bottle as well you know what i think it i think it gets things going it's vacation they're staying there again the next night so no one's driving what's the issue i've got no issue with this i don't know i don't know i didn't care for it especially if the trip is centered around vineyards

and wineries like is he going to be annoying because he's drinking yes absolutely yes i i that could be frustrating for sure but the shame i was like we don't have the shame in the start of the episode you know we start off with jesse's sitting outside it's 830 a m they made it a point to tell us it's 830 in the morning he's having a little he was i think he was having coffee when he was sitting out there Oh, no, no, no, no, he was not. He had his glass of champagne. Oh, yeah, all right. Just, no, you are right now that I remember.

If there's booze on the screen, I will find it every single time. That's a really good point. I forgot that he walked in with that glass. And I did question when he walked in with the glass, is that champagne or some sort of weird L.A. like ginger-based drink that they're drinking in the mornings, like a little fucking pick-me-up or something. God forbid a healthy pick-me-up in the morning.

How L.A. of them. Coffee, coffee is the answer. That is the healthy pick-me-up that we all like. So yeah, no, you are right. He did walk in with that. So look, if we take him for his word, he's been up for hours. He got up super early and cleaned the whole house. Didn't really look like it.

No, but that's Luke and Dodie's fault, apparently. I think that's what it was like, let me throw a little shade here and just be like, yeah, I woke up, clean the whole house. You wouldn't be able to tell anymore. It's like Luke and Doty are the only ones who have been awake and they're cooking breakfast. So you're telling them that it's their fault. Yeah, you're disgusting people. The problem is this is what? I have no issue with him pop in the bottle, but eat some breakfast.

Like, you got to have both. You got to have some, at least like a few slices of bacon, some bread, make some like butter toast. I don't care what you do. If you're feeling sick in the morning after drinking, you got to eat something and then you pop that champs. You earned it, buddy. Yeah, I look, I have no issue with it. Again, there's a way to do it, as you just said. But the shade, I didn't think was necessary there.

But Nia and Michelle are talking and it just sort of sets the tone for the day. because she's talking about him throwing the ball to her, you know, and like obviously she's not going to say anything positive. I actually thought that her response was solid. I thought that was a nice moment that she found amidst all the bullshit. I did not understand Jesse's freak out in that moment. I'm attributing that being wasted, yeah. Yeah, we talked about it last week.

I think he was just hammered and he felt emotions. It didn't like that he was feeling emotions because he's got up this whole like stonewall act where it's full of sarcasm and making jokes. trying to make her feel worse and he was actually feeling something for himself. And he didn't like it. So he walked away and had a huge meltdown. Yeah. That's scary, scary feelings.

No fun. But we get to Zach and Brittany. They're waking up and Jacks is already hitting her with the text messages and they figured it out. It took three days. I'm not depressed on bipolar. I'm like, oh, that's how it works. Yeah, you're right.

The three day diagnosis. Everyone knows that. No big deal. He's just bipolar. You know, you shouldn't know. It reminds me of another diagnosis that happened very quickly in that same area. a couple of months ago that didn't happen either but on the after show they talked about it jacks apparently was diagnosed with bipolar disorder like years ago and just never took the

minutes and brittany confirmed it he said it wasn't actually bipolar disorder he just kind of was very vague oh okay cool yeah it seems like they probably did actually do a full diagnosis of this years ago and he just denied it and said he was depressed checks out for jacks yeah that makes sense now he's accepting the bipolar diagnosis look bipolar diagnosis is nothing to be made light of, you know, it's a big deal. A lot of people suffer from it. It is manageable in certain cases by taking the right medicine, and it does have to be regimented as Zach points out. But I don't need the diagnosis from Jacks Taylor MD because I don't trust him at all. No. Look, we didn't have to see Jacks this episode, so I'll take what we can get.

That's a good point. But I think Zach paints it perfectly. He's like, she's trauma trained. Like, that's exactly. And we see it later when they're at dinner as well. Well, she's just trained to respond, to feel sympathy, to feel empathy, to answer the text messages. If this was 95% of people in the world, I'll give 5% to being on her, not team, but being in a similar boat. Most people in this situation would turn their phone off or block them or just stop responding to it. But she's not only reading everything he's sending, she's replying. So you're not taking yourself out of it. And that's what sucks about this quote unquote treatment center.

the fact that they're not taking his phone away from him means that she has no time to recover from everything he's going through. So he gets seven hours of therapy a day. She gets a day full of rage text messages, sympathetic text messages, emotional text messages from a manic bipolar ex-husband or current husband that's currently going through treatment. That's not fair.

That's not fair to her. Yeah, this is years of buildup and residue from like pretty much honestly. There's no better way to put it than what Zach said with trauma training. when he said that, it was just like a light bulb went off. It's like, oh, wow, that's actually really astute. That makes a ton of sense. That's exactly what she's been going through where she's doing this and she's still doing it to this day.

She talks about it. She was talking about it, I'll watch what happens live. She talks about the after show. She still responds to everything he says because he's still the father of her child. And at least that's what she says. And yeah, there is some truth to that to a certain extent. But at the same time, this is a lot of, this is what I've been doing forever and I can't turn it off.

And she just simply cannot turn it off. she can't stop talking about it and i know a lot of people are like oh yeah you know she always has to go into a scene and talk about jacks talk about jacks texting or it's like like this is actually what she's going through at the end of the episode is a completely different situation but this here when she's talking about it and when she's always talking about it's because it's ever present in her mind this is what her life has been forever and she's in a completely different place where he's in a treatment center they've broken up they're separated there's a lot of things going on so it is very, very present in her mind. So of course she's going to talk about it. I have no issues with

this. I think it's actually part of, we can call it a healing process. I hope she gets there at some point. But for now, it's it's along the way of the healing process. Like she's, I'm sure she went through years of not telling people about Jack's texting her like this. And now she's gotten to a point where she's communicating. This is what Jacks is doing. This is what Jacks is doing. And yeah, people are going to get fed up with it. Like put your phone away, put your phone away. But it is part of her at least putting it out there. I understand that. But I understand that. But I understand the other side of it as well. And if you want to bring Cruz into the matter, it's like, all right, well, you could

argue this is bad for him because one, you're keeping a door open and Jacks isn't doing any better. And two, if he does inevitably go back and watch some of this, you're also saying that you're okay to put up with this behavior rather than take a stance and say, no, I'm against this and teach your son a lesson in standing up for himself. So I get on a healing perspective. I get that it's difficult. But at the same time, at some point, you,

have to be able to separate or create a boundary and be able to move forward for a whole list of reasons not just yourself so it's i mean i'm sympathetic but at the same time it's like at some point you have to decide i'm not talking about in this moment where jacks is currently in treatment she's away on a trip i'm talking about the after show where we're in current and it's like okay but what are you doing differently you know that's what questions start to rise exactly yeah yeah What we're seeing right now on the show, and this was months ago, there's a new change to the dynamic. Jackson is in a facility. Jacks is doing this.

It's not just more of the same. If this was more of the same, and look, if we're still filming right now and we're still seeing this and whatever reason, it's current and we're months away from all of this. And she's still doing the same thing. Then it gets to a point where it's like, all right, Brittany, do something different. You can't keep talking about it. But where she is now for the show, I'm okay with it. Because there's a change in dynamic. I agree.

But the gang's going wine tasting, and this is where the dynamic between Jesse and Michelle is just funny to me because she takes it. The whole trip is centered around this, right? They're in wine country. They're going to a vineyard. Not sure the difference between a winery and a vineyard. I'm sure people out there know. I assumed a vineyard, they grow their own grapes there in a winery. Maybe they bring the grapes in.

I don't know. I'm going to go with that. I like that. That makes the most sense to me. I'm not sure, though. Ontario, the weight is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget Online Casino is live.

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I'm like, well, not for nothing, but that was the basis of. the trip so yeah it was the trip that he planned right exactly so there is there is something there it's just that i i think if she left it there and said of course jesse planned on us going to a winery so that he could do this it's like okay i kind of get that but her she just takes it a little too far it's like all right you got too petty now i don't believe anything that you just said it just makes me laugh it's always like i know that's the same person literally then they just find things that they can pick at it but it's just funny because it's not like in the moment it's a confessional it's like of course it's like you guys suck for each other yeah but we get to the bus jesse's wasted these two bottles

of champagne deep now i'm cool with cracking some champs in the morning you know you're marinating overnight you just want to get back to somewhat neutral before you start your day and then just kind of nurse it throughout the day sure you can't crush two bottles before the vineyard like that that's a no no so i'm off the i'm off the wagon well no not literally i'm I'm off his wagon at the moment, but he's bombed. He's doing a strip tease for Jason, apparently, the entire ride. Jason's, of course, handling it well because that's what he does. He doesn't get rattled usually.

And, yeah, the bus breaks down. And to no surprise, who hops out and, like, pops the hood? He's like, you popped, you cracked the thing right here. You know it was going to happen. Anytime that anything goes wrong with any sort of mechanical or anything that I'm anytime a man needs to step up, you know exactly who's going to step up and check it out. Yep. He is.

I love it. Look, here's the thing. We are speculating on exactly when Luke and Doty got pregnant. I think in this moment, she's probably pregnant from the day before. This was a big dad step up. This is a dad on a road trip. This is the biggest dad move ever. I expected them to pan down to his new balances that were slightly stained by a little bit of green from cutting the grass earlier this week.

That's what I wanted to see. Double nodded. stepping up right away you got a problem here here and here looks like a crack you're going to be leaking cooling all over the place that's what it is we can get back to a gas station don't worry we'll take it from here i thought he was going to hang behind i thought he was going to stay with that guy until he got somebody to come out and fix it i thought he just wanted like hang and check it out nope he's got a great look at luke is showing up big time this season and i i love it i he's such a great i know he was on the show last year but this season luke is such a great addition to the gas he wasn't really on the show last

year. He's on the show this year. Yeah. Yeah. And he did. He found his spot. He's, he's playing it well. He gets involved in the drama a little bit, but he's doing a really good job. And I like that out of him. It's like, here we go. We're going to head back down there's my manly man. You know what it is? Last year, he stepped up in certain situations where he felt like Kristen was slighted. Sure. He would step up to Janet. He stepped up to Jesse. He defended her honor. He defended her honor a lot. And I wonder if the two of them had a conversation like, all right, that was your first season. What did you think about this, this and this? It seems like he's not taking it as serious as he did last year. It's like, hey, Luke, being yourself, if somebody's going to come after me, feel free to step up. If it's, you know, a husband of one of these people. But like, if it's Janet coming after me, like, this is going to happen, you can just stand your ground and just like walk away. Don't worry about it. But it seems like even later in the episode when he's talking to Jesse, like, he's not really taking it that seriously. You know what I mean?

Like he's not, it's not crazy, like, strong advice because it's not going to work with these types of people. I think he just kind of figured that out. Like, you know what? I don't need to feel the type of way I can just live my life and let these people do whatever they're doing and then I'll just be a part of it I think it's a really pleasant addition

I do too I think he's doing a nice job but Jesse is trying to flag down a car to hitchhike potentially he's doing laps around the bus kind of funny from what again we're not there I'm not sure and I'm sure the stripping and stuff

was irritating but once again Michelle's like I'm so glad everyone gets to see how Jesse is I was like annoying sure would I be annoyed yeah but I again I'm not looking going holy shit look at this monster I'm going hey drunk guy get back on the bus like yeah road it's just funny like but again like if Michelle was doing something even if it was innocuous and jesse was in her shoes he'd be like

see this is why I couldn't be married to her like this is what he would have came up with something similar in a confessional so anything that they're doing they're just so done with each other and they are forced to be in small confines with one another, and it's leading to all of these just butt heads over anything. He's, of course, he's fucking hitchhiking. What a loser. It's fucking so good. But Nia gets a phone call from Danny, as we know,

he bounced the night before he had a voice acting job, and she checks him. It gets a little heated. She's like, whoa, whoa, you don't talk to your wife like that, bitch, realizes she's on camera and hones it in. I have something to say about that later.

after I watched the whole end of the episode transpire because I see multiple sides to it. And I want to save it for that conversation later. But I see a, I see part of a side. I mostly see knee and Danny side. Sure. But I see part of the other side. The way that they went about it was ridiculous.

It was ridiculous. But I kind of get it. Yes. I think this is more a case of, and again, And we kind of pegged them for the normal couple, the normal married couple that are going through a lot. They've got a lot of kids. Normal couples do have arguments and spitsbats like this. This isn't that crazy.

It's just the fact that in this moment, like you said, she realized, oh, shit, I'm on the bus with everybody else here. There's cameras. I'm going to rate it in a little bit. And I don't think Danny really cares on the other line. You know, maybe he has to get a talking to later. But I think that what they do is they just kind of neatly sweep things under the rug. like hey we're going to have our spats we're going to have our disagreements on certain things but we're not going to have like a normal blow up or a normal argument like we would have in

front of the cameras i think they are doing that right but my question there is and i'm sure it's partly because it's on camera but how much of that is also this is a normal functioning marriage and i know personally like if dev and i were getting into it and we're in public we're both going to be like not here like this is embarrassing let's just get through this then we'll have a discussion afterwards like yeah i think mature couples you don't blow it out in front of people correct absolutely but also to the people that are saying like show your real self on tv it's like who cares like i don't have a quorum this is like when we have people like jesse and michel fighting that's crazy shit that has to be on reality tv when it's nia and danny

fighting about him going and stopping at the house because i'm sure he's like you guys are already on the way to the vineyard i got to get out there i already had to do this, this, and this, like I'm already driving out. I don't feel like stopping at the house. They had a normal argument. I don't really want to see a normal marital argument. It's not that interesting to me. It would actually, it would probably make me feel a little uncomfortable because I, I tend

to lean towards knee aside anyway because she just seems so nice. And I'm like, yeah, you know what? She's probably right. Just do what your wife says. I agree. Again, that's just a normal marital argument that I don't have any interest in. I have interest in Jesse and Michelle being petty as hell. I have interest in Jackson, Brittany, going fucking crazy to a certain extent.

but I don't really care about this. This doesn't really get me going for reality TV. No, the thing that I'm going to not look forward to, but something that will be addressed between these two, whether it's this season or next season, and that will be something where it's like, yeah, you need to be upfront and honest about this is Danny's relationship with alcohol.

Like that part, like I do see that coming to a head. We had the foreshadowing from Jasmine talking about her experience with the dark side of Danny. That's something where I'm like, all right, yeah, you've got to be up front, honest about this whole thing. but him not stopping at the house. I'm like, yeah, we got enough bullshit.

And you know what that does too? It opens the door to another couple that we never see fight that I know for a fact has to fight. And that's Jason and Janet. If we're going to go after Nia and Danny over here who seem like they've got the perfect marriage on TV, why are we now talking about Jason and Janet? Whenever they have these nice moments,

she does. But like whenever they have those nice moments, it just doesn't seem authentic. When he comes over after dropping Jacks off and she gives them a hug, it's like, ugh, what the hell is that? That wasn't, that was a weird hug. That was a weird I love you. Like, thanks for your help or whatever.

Like, get out. I don't get that. So if we're going to open that door, then we have to open the other door. That's only fair. Yeah, we always, if you're going to open one door, you have to open all the doors. That's just the real doors. Yeah, every door has to be open. That's how the breeze works.

If you don't have multiple doors open, you're not going to get the breezeway. Yeah, then the other door is going to shut because you open another door. Then the air fog gets weird in your house. And then you think a ghost lives there. And then you sell your house because you didn't want to open doors. Do you see the problem? And the housing market is a desire to right now. You get it.

But as Airbnbs. Yeah, Jesus, don't get me started. But anyway, we get to the winery or vineyard or wherever the fuck we are. It's the Grissini family. Everything's grown on property. So we have a nice little tasting. Danny arrives. Anytime the words are uttered.

Did you just say everything's grown on property? Yeah, everything's grown on property. Aren't we at a winery? I don't know. Oh, so this does go again. That's what you said. Yeah, I think they said winery. I thought they said vineyard.

See, here we go. Maybe, we have to listen to what Jesse said. If Jesse said vineyard, it's probably a vineyard because he would know. They had somebody else blurted out winery. Yeah, all right. So I'm going to say vineyard. Yeah. I'm going to go with vineyard because there are vines on the yard.

I'm taking the literal approach. Incredible. Wow. That's next level analysis. And I actually like that. That's a good thing. I took linguistics instead of taking math when I was at Ohio State. So I think I know what I'm talking about.

It's just math with letters. They counted it to my math credit. I didn't have to take another math there. Thanks, Ohio State Athletics. But anyway, the Ohio State. But Danny arrives. Like I said, anybody that announces, I got to catch up, they're going to have a tough night. And he starts slamming wine.

Like, that's the other thing, too. You're playing ketchup with wine. So it's going to go south in a hurry. You're going to get that initial, like, sugar rush. And you're going to crush more wine. Then you get sleepy and sad. drunk it's a rough road but he starts chugging nea's obviously concerned jasmine rightfully gets a little bit nervous about this whole thing given her experience and melissa's there this time as well so she's

getting a little like i don't know keep an eye on it but we do get to hear about how melissa and jasmine met and got together i guess they met at a bar like four years ago jasmine made a move melissa stiff armed her but they started to grow an actual relationship so it's nice to hear where they came from, where their story is, but I like, I like once again, and Dev pointed it out too, Janet's been on a heater. She had another decent episode this time, and I like that she approaches Zach with a joke. She's like, hey, man, just to let you know, we weren't good, people asked me about your hair. I did tell them it was a wig. Perfect. Perfectly. It's good timing. Yes. Really good timing. That's knowing your audience, too, because you know

And when Zach goes to his confessionally, he says, I know that we just got back together, but it means so much that she's able to joke about something. Like, now I know we're back. We're back, baby. She's not perfectly timed. You would think maybe a little too soon. Like, she was a little eager to get that out there. But even strategy wise, know your audience.

Know your audience. Even strategy wise, it makes sense because you go back to the first episode for Britney's white party. She's talking about his hair. So she's getting ahead of it. Like, hey, I did say this, just so you know, in case it gets back to you. but now that we're good, we can joke about it. And she knew that he would like it. Zach did like it.

It just worked out. I don't know what she's doing. She figured something out and I can't help but like. She's been in the comments, dude. She has to have been in the comments. Like that's where my brain goes all the time. And I wish I could just enjoy it and just kind of like give her the benefit of the doubt. There's really have one season of footage from her.

There's stuff that I can see from her where I'm like, yeah, she seems kind of normal. But I just can't buy it. I just don't buy it. Look, credit or credits do. it's been a decent three episode run for I don't ever since Dave and Buster she's taking a bit of a shift and I she's conscious she just needs to go to D&Bs every like four or five weeks and it just resets her I agree but I do also think it's a conscious decision she's making with you know the confession she has the Taco Bell line the Dave and Busters of it all I think but I'm not

mad at gameplay if you're trying to change something midseason and you think it's going to go better for you I'm not against that just if it becomes blaringly obvious and you get called out make sure you have a contingency plan that's what i say i agree i see something like this but while they're sitting there drinking i this was a good luke moment as well because jesse stands up and looks out over the vidyard and goes wow and of course he says some bullshit like this looks like a mona like oh wow wow you just named one of the most famous artists ever in the history it seems pretentious but it's really not it's like a dumb down version of being pretentious it's an attempt to be pretentious that doesn't land and i love that luke is so unapologetically

luke he's like i've never been there i think he was dead serious he was like i just assumed that like you know oh it's like capri or it's like uh santropay sancholyne and he had a great response because jess he's like you're so uncultured he's like you are not a man you are not manly i was like hell yeah you just you just called the the the car thing out and you got them back to safety, you get to say something like that now to this guy that's trying to flex out of you by saying that this looks like a Monet. Well, that's the other thing. It looks like a Monet, a Monet, sure.

It looks like a painting. Exactly. It looks like Monet, the man. No, that's a stupid thing to say. So it's false pretentiousness and Luke called it out. And again, Luke does it in a way that last year he wouldn't have done it that way because it's non-combative this season. Maybe that's the difference.

It doesn't have as much like stink on it. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like he would have said that he would have said the exact, he would have said the exact same thing last year, but it would have been a little more aggressive. And he would have like immediately looked at Kristen afterwards to see if she approved on it. But this time it's again, I feel like, and it's so bizarre too, because when Jesse gets into that bus, he jumps on Kristen and Luke and he's laying across them. And I'm like, this is such a funny three, like three friends.

It doesn't make much sense to me, but I love it. And then we get something like this. It's like he got maybe they are like a little bit closer. Jesse even says that in a lot of the interviews and stuff that he sees Kristen and Luke all the time. They go over to his house. He goes over to their house all the time. He couldn't be closer with them. Like I guess something.

It makes sense to me because Doty and Jesse. Jesse's more volatile. But I think Doty understands Jesse and I think Jesse understands Doty. And I think that Luke is really good at. not managing Doty. I don't think anybody manages her, but I think that he's really good at like understanding who she is and be able to navigate that well.

So he's probably able to do the same with Jesse. And they've just made this weird three-way friendship out of, you could argue necessity. It just kind of works, right? I don't know why. But that's kind of the vibe I get. But Isabella's nanny calls Michelle. And I'm not sure why Jesse picked that moment.

It probably just reminded him that Michelle was there. and he decides to get up and go have a conversation. I agree with Michelle. I don't like how Jesse starts Godmose. I don't like that he will lead her off somewhere in what appears to be a sentimental moment to be able to have an adult conversation. And his first comment is always inflammatory. It's always trying to push a button. It's never, hey, I know that was Isabella's nanny.

We do need to figure some things out. Like, can we just have a conversation and kind of squash some shit? It's always, why are you not having it? for me because he starts out how you happy and she's like yes but not with you and he's like then be happy about my relationship well it didn't make any sense and it contradicts everything that he's been saying too because going up there it was I just want the two of us to be able to coexist I want the two of us to be able to be in the same room be in the same house and not get into these fights and you really aren't if Michelle had her way she you guys pretty much weren't going to have

any of these arguments you wouldn't they wouldn't talk and if she did Then you would win, by the way. So this doesn't really make a whole lot of sense for a manipulative petty guy like Jesse who's going to sit there and say, I want her to look as bad as possible. The best way to do that is to do nothing to her and then let her provoke you. And then you can say, look, I didn't do it. I just want to. Exactly. What she did when you guys were on the bus, which didn't really hit because it didn't land at the right time.

But if she walked away from this conversation and said, look what I have to deal with, everybody would understand what it is. They do without saying anything. Exactly. So if he wanted to do this and he wanted to manipulate the situation, then do something like this. Don't provoke. Just stay away, steer clear and do what you said you were intending on doing in this trip. And that was just to coexist. If it doesn't work out, that's on Michelle, not you. So I don't really understand it. I think he just, again, yes, he is very drunk at this point, but he can't seem to keep himself in check. He can't, like, help himself when it comes to Michelle. It's weird. Exactly. And he alludes to that in confession. He's like, she just knows how to get under my skin. And that goes both ways. once again like everything he says immediately gets under her skin but her response here is also valid in my mind because she's like i don't like who you're dating and i'm never going to be okay with someone that threatens me again jesse your girl decided it would be a good idea to text her threatening her with a lawsuit so no she's not going to be cool with who you're dating and

that's not going to go away now i agree with what michel says later on when they have another conversation and Jesse does the same exact thing he does here, he's still upset over the fact that she left him and he needs some kind of validation from her that she's happy with where he's at because he needs that to be able to fully move on. And I also think that she's aware that that gives her some kind of power over the situation that she should not relinquish by the way. She shouldn't bring the need of this because you were threatened by his girlfriend. And he consistently drops the ball when trying to have these conversations.

So you don't owe him anything. Again, there's a lot of tit for tat. I am not like team Michelle, nor am I team Jesse. I'm Switzerland right down the middle, baby. But you can see on both sides. And in this instance, I'm like, yeah, I see where she's coming from. And yeah, Jesse, you're fucking this up once again. Yeah, he is.

And every opportunity he takes, it's usually a bad move. And that's what I don't really get. And I think I agree with you when it comes to the validation. He needs her to acknowledge. And honestly, I don't even think that would be enough. Just getting her to say the words that I, I'm happy that you're happy or just getting her to acknowledge like our marriage didn't work and it's both of our faults. I think that's what he's something along those lines.

Something along those lines. He wants her to take some responsibility and that's why he keeps pressing the whole cheating thing. But when it comes down to it, you guys can just kind of slink off into your own lives and just be around each other. And it's funny too because when we heard in the off season that they were filming and Michelle had a boyfriend and he has a girlfriend and they're all filming together. and he invited her and her boyfriend over to his house and up to the trip. We're like, what the fuck is going on here? Are they actually co-existing? Are they cool?

And it sounded like they were cool. And we're watching the season like, this is anything but cool. Where are these reports coming from? And I love it too, by the way. Like, don't get me wrong. But going into it, we expected such a different outcome. And after that first episode and now where we are now, it's like, holy shit, this is never going to work. This is never going to work.

It's an absolute disaster. but I'm glad that we get to watch it happen in a sadistic kind of way. But she even says it to him. Like, look at you. You're a disaster. This is where the two bottles of champagne at 8.30 in the morning and it bites you in the ass. Because you do look like shit. You just fumbled this conversation again.

You left yourself open to this one. And you should never respond with, yeah, and you're a hooker. So it's like, ah, fuck. She gets up. Because you can't keep doing this, like, song and dance where you say it was a joke. Like, I said a joke to the boys and it got out. And I got to blame Danny for that. I said it to the boys and I was just goofing around.

Like, I didn't mean anything by it. You can say that. And yeah, if it got out and leave it at that and just say, look, yeah, I was just making a joke. I was pissed off. And this is what I said to the group chat and it got out. You can't double down and call her a hooker in front of everybody after she just says that you're a disaster. And the way that she said disaster was funny too. She's like, disaster.

Well, she can't say words. Like her saying threatening, like hurt my brain, threading, threading. Threatening. You're going to thread. T-R-T-R-E-A-D. D, yeah. Thread-in-T-R-T-R-T-R-T-R-T-R-T-E. Yeah.

It's hurting me now, too. You're thread-dining me. Pardon? That was, yep. That was pretty spot-on, actually. That's a pretty good question. You're threaded-n-me-me. But she blows up, starts saying things that you spent all of our money.

Pull it up. Like, pull it up. I started chanting at home. I'm like, pull it up. Pull it up. Let's see some receipts. Pull-up. Some bag statements.

Hell yeah. I will fucking love that. And Luke comes over to talk to him. And he's like, I think it's going well. And I couldn't tell if that was ingest or not. I couldn't tell if he was being a smart ass or he's like, I think I got her right where I want her. It's like,

I think he was trying to be a smart ass, but he's so drunk that it comes across his sincere. Maybe that's all I take it. I'll take it that way too. But Michelle goes deeper into it saying, you know, there was money for Isabella for her birthday. You put that in your account.

And why is a gay guy sending you money on your birthday? throws that one out there and everyone's like wait what kind of turns and goes go on with that one Zach with a very funny confession it's like girl we don't want them like you keep them we do not want him we don't claim him yeah we're not going to claim him so she throws that one out there brittney comes over to check jesse a little bit about the hooker thing jesse goes through his i regret this i regret that i shouldn't have said it blah blah blah it's like yeah but you keep bringing it up so that's not a hill to die on and i like that brittney shuts it down she goes okay great you apologize for that. We're out of here. He's like, well, now can we have a conversation? She's

like, nope, fuck off. I'm like, all right, cool. Do that with Jacks. Yes. Your job. Do that with Jacks now. Yeah. Brittany's the quintessential, like, in a toxic relationship, but giving the best relationship advice to all of her friends. Going over and shutting everything down. You can't deal with this. It's too toxic. It's going to ruin your life. I know personally, well, then why are you not doing anything differently? Right. Do as I say. Not as I do. That's the vibe. But we get back home and Janet's in the pantry. Danny decides to slink away into the pantry.

This is, this is a massive red flag in my world. Okay. This is literally, literally what I used to do. This is one of my moves. You find a secluded place and make sure there's booze nearby and you fucking chug it. You take it to the face.

So his reasoning on Watch What Happens Live was that he went in to grab a white claw. no and saw the bottle of tequila sitting there and said well i'll just take a shot of this and then it was nap time no but yeah he has a history of this this is not the we heard a rumor about this from this show earlier in the season you can't look at it any other way like i don't care what the liquor is nobody in their right mind is going in there grabbing a white claw a carbonated four percent fruity drink and saying hmm you know what would go great with this is a shot of warm tequila yeah it's hot as shit not a shot by the way a bottle to the chunks yeah no one in their right mind is doing that with tequila of all things but there isn't like really a hard alcohol

but i would choose in that situation to have warm so no the fireball would probably be the only one because it's already kind of warm well no you leave vodka in a water bottle in your truck in florida for a few hours and uh did you ever get fireball is that too late for you in my hate oh no did i drink Of course I drank fireball. No, no, no, we had Fireball. We had Fireball in high school, didn't we? I don't. Maybe.

Not that we drank in high school. We were good students. Yeah. Right. Totally. But let's get to Jesse and Michelle take two. They start talking again, once again, at Jesse's request because he texts her, hey, can we go for a walk on the beach and have a chit-chat?

This is my problem with these conversations. Beautiful setting for a chit-chat. beautiful but he he phrases these conversations in a gentle and let's figure this out manner yeah and then when you get to the conversation it never does that and so she goes to his room not only does it never do that and i would even excuse it a little bit if there was intentions for a good conversation and it goes crazy towards the end south yeah people say shit fine he starts it off wrong i know that's my start talking about something and yeah you can always argue this is something that's bothering me but you can't start it off through a text and say this nice gentle like request to go have a

conversation about your daughter's life and the situation that everything is involved in and trying to figure it out how to co-parent and then start it off with some sort of dig it just doesn't work that way so no that's not yeah yeah because he's like you're telling everyone you're happy why are you not happy for me we did this she told you why that's the reason we're why now i got to jump back on team jesse for a little bit when she starts yeah for sure reasons because she's like all i care about is isabella and now she's saying that i have a second mommy and she's annoyed that after six months of dating now this woman is in her life and she has a relationship with this woman and saying things like that you don't get to play that game because

i watched her say i love you to a ron so either both are okay or neither are okay you don't correct dictate that Jesse can't have a relationship like this but you can't that's bullshit so that one didn't land that one did not land at all and that and that's one of those things where again Michelle just is seeing things differently whatever she's doing is right and again I'm sorry and this look it could not be true there's a possibility that it's not true but all cards are showing all the signs are pointing to you cheated on Jesse with Aaron so no I I don't give a shit if Jesse's girlfriend is supposedly trying to threaten you guys with lawsuits because you're talking about her on camera or she's telling you guys, hey, don't talk about me on camera and I don't

want to hear it. And she could be bad shit crazy. It doesn't really matter. You need to show that respect because you can't have your daughter walking around calling your boyfriend, dad and saying, I love you. And then shut Jesse down when he's got a girl on his side and say things like she's just a run of a bunch of girls that are going to do the exact same thing. And I don't want that for Isabella. You could cheat on Aaron tomorrow with another guy. You could go back to tarantino for all we know who knows nobody wants to call tarantino daddy but that could be where we are so let's just yeah i i had to do it i'm sorry oh i don't like that forgive me you know he makes people call him daddy too i know yeah definitely one of his show daddy your toes show daddy your feet let me let me

let me see those toes yeah yeah and then he makes a uh an amazing movie about it that's also fucked up yeah that has feet in it most of his movies have foot put it this way he wrote and directed from dust till dawn and in that movie he takes a shot off of selma hyac's foot he wrote that scene he cast selma hyac and he made sure that he got to drink off of her foot yeah i mean once upon a time in holly is basically just foot porn at this yeah more or less like the whole thing margoyaleigh and margot robbie both of them yeah it's yeah no point there's zero point in them having their feet out and yet most of the scenes hey let me throw my feet up here no gross Hey, we're going to do another take, but this time, take your shoes off.

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Hi, I'm here to tell you about Good Morning Night Vale. Welcome to Night Vale's official recap show and unofficial best friend food podcast. Join me, Meg Bashwinner and fellow try hosts, Hal Lublin and Symphony Sanders, as we dissect all of the cool, squishy, and slimy bits of every episode of Welcome to Nightvale. Come for the insightful and hilarious commentary and stay for all of the weird and wild behind-the-scenes stories. Good morning Nightfail, with new episodes every other Thursday. Get it wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, even there. It comes back to the same thing that happens every single time. He starts yelling at her about cheating on him. And look, yeah, Yes, there's an argument to be made there, but if you're trying to resolve things,

it's never going to land pretty well. So she throws a drink in his face. Things go south. She leaves the room. Should I just tell everybody? And it's like, yeah, fucking tell him. And she starts yelling, my husband refused to hug and kiss me and tell me I'm pretty. He spent all of our monies yelling it to the entire house.

And yeah, those would land harder if, like, we've heard this now for three weeks. I think this is always the go to. So it's like, I need more info now. now it's like all right that's why i need bank statements break them bad boys open let's let's see show me highlight i just love i love the other side of this and how real it is to have luke zack uh jasmine and misha melissa just sitting outside oh yeah listening to the whole thing and jasmine keeps trying to comment on it and everybody just shushed her she was like she's quiet they're still going wait till there's that drama dude and zach's little drop in at the end is fucking hilarious

did she kill him yeah i let's like what do you mean it's like obviously that was a joke that was joking everybody i was kidding ha ha ha no okay lighten up everybody but let's get to dinner danny snoozing which i thought would be a non-issue i didn't think we were going to discuss this at the least case scenario by the way i thought so too i did too but jasmine and janet are discussing the the closet shots that danny was doing they're uncomfortable with it. Now, as we go through this scene, if Jasmine has a problem and feels uncomfortable and triggered by this whole thing, rightfully so. She has past experience with really drunk Danny. Her girlfriend, Melissa, is there who also has a similar experience. If she's getting

trepidious about the whole thing, I get it. Now, that's important as we go through this scene, because that's not how I feel with everything. Because when it comes to Jasmine and Melissa, So it's, again, when he's passed out, he's passed out. So it's like, okay, he's passed out. Like, yeah, we can have the conversation. Are we sure that, you know, this is a good thing? Could we bring it up to Nia? Do we talk about it as a group?

Things like that can come into play. But the way that everybody on that side of the room went about it was completely the wrong way. And I get like Jasmine and Melissa, I keep wanting to say, Michelle, Jasmine and Melissa, they're very fine when it comes to their situation. If they feel some type of way about Danny getting drunk, and doing things like that and leading, like, yes, just because he fell asleep this time, doesn't mean he's going to fall asleep next time. That's fair.

That is fully fair. But keep it there. You know what I mean? Like, we don't need to blow this up completely and freak out about it. Just say, yeah, you know, like this is a problem. Let's do this. Let's have a conversation about his drinking or something. It's spiraled somewhere else where I didn't think it was going to go.

No, it takes a sharp left turn because the whole time, Nia's defending and saying, look you know he just he went to bed he's working a lot he hasn't slept in three years he's got three under three now like he's just catching up the response to this whole thing i thought was nuts because is he drunk yeah yeah anyone disputing that fact no no is he sleeping probably because he drank too much yeah yeah anybody at home watching gets that anybody there gets that I'm not sure what the acknowledgement from Nia is going to do, but once again, this to me is a marriage in which she's like, yeah, I'm not going to put him on blast for drinking too much. I'm going to have a conversation with my husband about it, not do it on TV. We'll talk about it when we get home.

So the whole thing points to these two are inauthentic on camera. That's the argument that's being made. I do believe that there is an argument to be made there. If you want to bring in other examples throughout the. last year and this year and saying, look, they always want to appear as Mr. and Mrs. Perfect. We know that they got things going on. We need them to get more in depth about it.

Fine. Great. I think you have some merit there. You're probably right. They probably do try to polish it up a little bit. This was not the thing to make that argument. And then for Brittany to jump in as hard as she did and start going off and being like, I'm doing all of this shit.

I'm going through so much and I'm sharing all of it. And y'all can't even tell. I'm like, these are wildly different scenarios. Completely different scenarios. And this is when you can say, and all those people out there that have been trying to say it for weeks, you can say it now. Brittany, you married who you married. You know who you married. You are sharing your whole life because of who you married.

You're sharing your whole life because you moved from Kentucky to L.A. and knew who you were going to go after. You were watching VPR before you got there. You knew who Jax was. And you did all of these things. So yes, you're sharing your whole life. because you chose to marry that guy, because you chose to shack up with them, because you chose to advocate with them, all of those things, you don't now get to play the card

of, I have to share all of this. Like, right, it sucks. Don't get me wrong. It sucks that you have to deal with this shit because Jackson is a piece of shit. But you're sharing it because of who you married and because of the life that you decided to lead. So now you don't get to turn on somebody like Nia who's quietly just keeping simple marital disputes away from the cameras and away from the group as normal people would.

you're freaking out about that like what do you want her to do barge in rip him out of the fucking bed and say you can't drink like this come out here and talk to everybody about your drinking problem again i do think there's a conversation that needs to be had at some point about his drinking i'm on board with that but this didn't seem the moment for everybody to get up in arms about it other than once again if jasmine feels some type of way she's allowed to because she has past experiences with drug danny so if she's irritated i get it i'm not going to fault her for that but brittany jumping on this wagon and going just as hard if not harder than jasmine to the point that they're in a like a back room talking shit

and zach and i love zach for this goes direct this is so great for jack yeah yeah because nea walks away from the table says i'm cold i'm going to go sit in the sauna we know it she's just bouncing yeah goes upstairs is like doing her own thing and zach comes to her and says hey just the heads up they're talking shit about you she's like oh who and he's like everybody pretty much everybody's talking shit about you right now and i love how nea goes directly to the source and handles the problem because she walks to the closet or wherever the fuck they were yeah and she's just listening and both jasmine and brittany are going off on nia on danny how they're hiding things how they're never authentic how we're sharing all these things and

they're not sharing anything then she goes in there and she doesn't she does not back down at all and that's where you get brittany like i'm going through so much And like all this and that. She's like, I know you're going through a lot. But because you're going through so much, you have to attack me. And I'm like, boom. Roasted. Exactly.

Well done. That's exactly what this is. And that's where again, like when it comes to Jasmine, keep it about what it's about. If you're upset about that and you want to have a conversation about it, you can do that a multitude of different ways. You can be upset about it as much as you want, but she just turned completely into Brittany and started talking about how they're inauthentic. And now you're pissed off about that. And I'm sorry. I'm going to play this car.

We haven't seen you on this show, Jasmine, and we talk about it. We would like to see more from Jasmine. What the fuck are you show it? I haven't seen anything. So you don't get to play the card of you're an authentic and not showing enough on this show. Brittany, quote unquote, can play that card, I guess. She's still very, very, very wrong. But where is Jasmine coming with all of this?

If she kept it about the, his drinking is a problem and I'm uncomfortable being around him when he's drunk, valid. Exactly where you should be. Sure. Do not cross over into Brittany territory because it's a lot. doesn't make any sense for somebody like jasmine no and it didn't make sense for this all to go off and again i think brittney's just projecting because she's in a hole and maybe she saw this going on was like ooh maybe this can take some attention off me for a little bit if they get into like danny's drinking i do think it needs to be addressed but the way that this happened again he's in bed

yeah right he's fucking asleep it's not like he's downstairs dancing on the table naked like he's fucking in bed and no the clarification that they're so desperately wanting is not needed everybody watching knows why he's asleep in bed, not because he's a CPCP tired guy. He's in bed because he shugged wine at the vineyard earlier and he's drunk and he passed the fuck out. We all know that. So what does them acknowledging that change about anything in this scenario

other than you need to talk to Danny about his drinking at some point? Like that's all I got from this. But I thought it was a big swing and a miss. I don't think that it landed how they wanted it to land. I think we know how it's going to work too. next episode, Brittany is just going to talk about how Jacks is rage texting her again and she's going through it. Stop answering them.

You know, like, I'm team Brittany. I've gone against people that say, you know who's married, she shouldn't be blah, blah, blah. I'm still, I maintain my stance. But when stuff like this goes down, I'm like, this isn't Nia's problem. This is your problem. You deal with it. Yeah. But let's get to some questions.

First one up here from K. Stokes 829. Do you think Janet is turning Brittany into a different person? Yeah. No, I think somewhat, but I don't really think that You know, a different person. Brittany's a loser. Brittany's a loser.

Let's just say that. I don't like, I've never liked Brittany. I always thought that she was a loser. But now it's just like going after Nia makes no sense at all. You have a different conversation about it if you have a problem with his drinking fine, but the inauthentic bullshit, like just no. Absolutely not. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. From Lolligger 926. think jacks should be off the show i think if these last two weeks have proven anything to us it's that we do not need him we don't need him the only time he's mentioned now is that's honestly the parts of the episode i don't like it's like oh my god stop fucking answering jacks like we're talking about michelle and jesse having a fucking argument again can we not have to talk about jacks texting you like i don't need it so we've proven that we don't need him so yeah kick his ass off the show yeah fully oh this is an interesting one from uh shivan b

ham. How can Britt call out Nia for not sharing Danny's drinking when she hid Jackson's Coke issues? Well, she did eventually bring it up, so maybe that's giving her some footing to want to say you have to talk about it. But again, she's not even

saying... She's not even talking about Danny's drinking. No, it's just the fact that they're inauthentic. That's our entire point. If you stuck to the problem, you would have more weight, but you didn't. And now it's like, whoa, we went from his drinking to now just clinically inauthentic all the time it's like those are two different things from don't you for president don't you all think that cheating is worse than toxic jesse maybe my own trauma

but dot dot dot yeah like yeah the bottom line remains is that she did cheap that doesn't that does not exonerate jesse from being a horrible husband by any means but that does get you to a place where we currently watch this show is like they both kind of suck you just need to take it for what it is you can be team one or the other if you'd like to be and that's the fun part is like if your team jesse jesse sucks if your team michel michelle sucks they both suck but like who would you rather support but they're both assholes that's that's what makes this specific one so much fun to cover from uh jess bonnet do you think dany and nia not sharing is like ariana not wanting to film a sandibal no not really it's not really yeah yeah i think that

again is there an argument to be made that they are being in authentic sure could you die further into that yes they used a really bad example that nullified the argument right out of the gate in this episode but there is an argument to be made there now the difference is ariana refused to film a sand of all because of everything that happened they're not refusing to film they just might be judging it up a little bit for the cameras yeah so i think it's a big difference but i mean i don't know like the longer they're on this show the harder it is to manufacture a no problem marriage so like yeah i would imagine you'll see some cracks especially if he keeps drinking like that in bad situations i think it's going to come to a head and i think that's

why we got that scene and why we're talking about jasmine's interaction that one night where danny was inappropriate is because it's going to come back up in a big way at some point this season i think so yeah i i hope that well i i don't want to say that yeah yeah no i was going to say for the sake of the show and like circling back on things i if this was what the the comeback was from watching all of that and having that sit down with jesse and jason then getting the clip of him having the apology if it just turned into this it doesn't really seem like it's going to hit that hard it's like why are we this is what we're doing but if it does come back and danny shows more then obviously yeah that's got to be a bigger

conversation sure do one more if you got one I'm looking I don't know Did you read this one from Sierra N MCD? Why didn't Brit or Jazz say anything to Nia At the table if they were upset? Oh, that's a point that I left out.

Yeah, that was the other part of this whole thing Is everyone waited to talk their shit when Neo was gone If you're going to do this, bring it up at the table in front of her. I don't like that. If you're going to address it, fucking do it there. You want to be it off. They're inauthentic, but you're talking shit behind her back. Exactly.

I love Dode. he's response to it too when she goes to a confessional she's like why are we not talking to nea while she's sitting at this table boring like you have all this stuff going on and that encapsulates everything that is one very true why are we not bringing it right to nea just for respect but also boring bring it up at the table so that we can have it out makes sense to me but uh god what a good show it's so good i i watch the whole thing without scrolling i'm just like locked in the entire time yeah it's uh it's delightful In a dark way. In a very dark and entertaining, petty way. But you got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show, bro's got to go. American history is full of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences,

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