Bros & Shows - Teddi and Traitors w/ Taryn Hatcher (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

What's up Bros?? We are recapping RHOC and we are joined by a VERY special guest. If you live in Philly and watch any sports you have seen her reporting from the sidelines, in the studios and all across TV. Philly's own Taryn Hatcher joins us to break down this episode. We start off with how the season has gone before diving into this weeks episode. Emily apologizes to Jenn for lashing out at her. Jenn and Katie bond over their similar family situations. More of the housewives begin to talk about the alleged videos of Shannon on the night of her DUI. Gina and Tamra both discuss whether or not to bring up the videos to Shannon or to leave it alone. Tamra is seeemingly playing the mediator between Johnny J Jan Man Janssen and Lexi Lex Alexis Bellino saying that all they want is for Shannon to 'clear his name'... Teddi makes her triumphant return which was not met with the warmest response. And Vicki joins as well for a little traitors reenactment. All that and more on today's episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to a very special episode of Brov Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell,

joined as always by Shooter Magouter, and we have a very special guest today. You may have seen her on the field at a Phillies game, on the court at a Sixers game, on the field at an Eagles game. We have Philly's own. Taryn Hatcher with us today. Taryn, how are you doing? I'm good. I just got out of some college football prep, so I'm a little bit like disheveled. But I'm good. Bobby is also here with us. This is my dog, Bobby. Bobby the dog is also here with us. Yeah. Not really named after Bobby Zarin, but I like to pretend like I'll yell across like I'm Jill. Bobby. He knows. He knows. That's a great time. We actually have Taryn on here to request a formal apology for not being invited to Philly's Influencer Night last summer, which by the way, Taryn has.

has no idea what that even is when we brought it up to her. But we feel like for the fans, because we've talked about this, and we have a gripe with it for the last, what, year and a half now, Steele, we've been on it for a while. We've been on it for a while. We can make do, yeah. I, listen, I am generally, like, I don't know it's Star Wars Night until I show up, and there's somebody in, like, an Alec-Bome jersey,

but with, like, Princess Leia buns in their hair, and until I get there. So, I apologize, but you guys are welcome. I will get you some tickets. It's let me know how many you need, and it will be your own Bravo Bros night. Even better than the influencer night. It'll be just for you, too. That sounds amazing. And then we also brought you on here to lobby for our first pitch appearance,

because I figure we need to throw a first pitch. And here's a little background, okay? This is my pitch to you. Okay. So my dad, this is his pullover. He played for the Phillies. He was drafted 13th overall back in 1984. Played for the Phillies.

My mom was the ball girl. She is David Montgomery's daughter's godmother. My infield coordinator, my entire professional career was Bobby Dickerson. My hitting coach in A ball was Paco Figueroa. And I coached Austin Hayes not only in short season, but in double A as well. You have so much more pull than me. I don't know how you think I'm going to be the one to get you first fish. I mean, I will certainly ask, but you know people who are so.

much more important than me and um i think you would have better luck on your own two feet with that but i i will ask wait wait wait hold on now this is steels fault going through that entire list you should have done this a while ago why are you waiting well that's a good point i yelled at bobby during a game one time he didn't recognize me until i turned around and showed him rustle and he was like oh so you know we'll see if we can work on it but actually no we're just we're huge fans we're so pumped that you could come out and join us for this. How did you find us? Let's start there.

So on TikTok, I feel like it was so long ago. I mean, I just like scroll aimlessly all day, every day. So time is but an illusion when I'm on there. So I don't even remember when, but it was like a long time ago. And I wish I could remember what take you guys had. But you had some take where you articulated exactly how I was feeling about some franchise or some situation. and I was just like oh my gosh these guys are awesome and and then I started to notice like

Philly gear all the time and I thought I noticed the accent but like I'm from here so sometimes it doesn't even really register with me when people have plus you guys don't have like very you don't have like super thick Delco accents like those those hit right away um but and I I either watched the clip or I watched your actual episode when you guys were on Watch What Happens Live. And yeah, and I was just like, oh my God, I love these guys. Look at Philly representing. So I followed you on TikTok and I was just like, there's no way they'll notice, but

maybe eventually I'll like meet them and get to introduce myself. And you didn't notice. And then eventually I followed me. And then I was like, wait, I have a blue checkmark on Instagram. Maybe I follow them on Instagram because I have like, I have so many. Housewives of New Jersey takes I have so many like now this season of Orange County I mean I really did not care about Orange County for like a few seasons and then now I'm like very dialed on Orange County so I hate to say the Alexis Bellino John Jansen effect is working but it's it's got me locked in

we watch argue we watch all the below deck in this house everybody my whole family watches below deck we're like a big I'm like all of them Like, I'll really sit there and just, like, brain rot for hours watching Bravo. Yeah. But I can get other people in my life kind of, like, plugged into different franchises based on their personality. Like, all right, you're not going to watch two middle-aged women fight, but I can get you to watch, you know, below deck because it's about the-

You've got to find the gateway show. A good gateway show is it below deck, a Vanderpump, summer houses. We've found that for dudes especially, and just for our audience out, We are here to talk some OC this afternoon. So we're going to get into that shortly. But we found that Summer House tends to be the best way. If it's a dude, that's the best way to get them involved in Bravo. Then you kind of go from there, maybe a Roney or.

I would say Southern Charm is probably the next step. I was going to say, if you really like Summer House, let's move on to Southern Charm. Summer Charm's not a good start show because as Steele can attest to, he hated mostly every guy on that show, starting with Shep. So it took him a little while. to understand what the schick was and how to understand what's going on. But, yeah, Summer House is just by far in a way the easiest show for people to get into because you don't really have to pay attention. Sort of like below deck because below deck is like a new thing every episode.

And especially now with Peacock, you can just run that back for like six straight hours and not realize that you're doing anything. So there's a lot of gateway shows to get into and none of them are housewives, which is really funny. I find based on like, okay, I have like a group of guy friends. They all went to more like Southern schools. They were all kind of like Vineyard Vineyard Vines fratty bros. I can get them in on Southern Charm because like through a friend of a friend,

they know somebody, right? And then like the finance bros or frankly like my girlfriends who are more like sarcastic, dry humor funny will be in the summer house because like Amanda's chill and easy to like and Paige is very funny and sharp and I can get them in on the Hannah Burner for season. Like there's friendships that I think are like identifiable. versus if I throw somebody into real hazards of New Jersey, they're like, who is Marge? Why do you care? Who is this Jackie girl? Like there's just like more, you have to start from like season one.

There's a lot more background. Yeah. Yeah, you have to start from season one. And then I go off on tangents like this and start really expensive. This is the place for tangents. So we're like I said, we're here to talk about Orange County. So it's interesting you said that you were kind of out on it for a while. I do feel like that has been the general consensus up until the last couple of years.

And you could argue maybe that's the return of Tamara. You could argue that the, if you want to, I don't want to give them the credit of saying that John Jansen, Alexis Bolino effect because fuck both of them. No, give Shannon the credit. Give Shannon the credit. Let's give Shannon the credit. I like that. But let's start there.

What's your, how are you liking this season? Let's get some takes on up until this episode. What have we thought thus far? Um, it's interesting because I find it very, um, like it sinks its teeth into you this season, but it's, it's not like, I can't say that I, I love certain parts of it. Like, I don't like when Emily and Gina fight. I really like their friendship. I really like Emily. Like, I find Emily to be very funny and smart and I don't like, I don't like when she comes off as angry because I like her and I root for her. And now that Gina's kind of come full circle in her life,

like I really, I root for Gina a lot now. The Shannon thing is strange because when everything went down with her situation, I thought I was going to have like one kind of feeling coming from the season. And then just the way everything's gone down with kind of how certain people have come at her and how aggressively they've come at her. I've ended up feeling way more empathetic to Shannon than I expected I would.

um because especially like i mean for obvious reasons like having the dog in the car and everything i just that whole situation you know you should never get behind the wheel of a car when you're drinking i think that goes without saying um but i ended up just like when tamry yelled at her that one episode and was sort of like did you have a drink first or you know whatever she said about she fired back at her like oh is that after you have a drink and i just thought like even on my maddest day at my worst friend like my friend who I like kind of is in my circle but isn't great to you kind of a friend maybe like that's shooter yeah enemy friend I would never say that to someone like it's just I wouldn't say it's somebody I don't like I just think it's too hurtful like it's just too mean and yeah I agree and it's

like we had last year I made a TikTok when all this shit went down because I'm uh six years sober now as of August 18th and so I made a TikTok last year and said look, I know this is difficult, but maybe can we extend some grace to Shannon going through this just because people make really bad mistakes. No, I'm not condoning drinking and driving by any means. It was the worst mistake she's ever made, but this could be a pivotal point for her to change her life potentially. Yeah. That was met with a lot of backlash. Fast forward to this year, and I'm glad that it kind of came out this way. And maybe it wouldn't have if Alexis and John Jansen weren't driving this thing over and over again trying to prove a fucking point.

But I am glad that it's drawn attention to the idea of, yeah, she made a bad decision. No drinking and driving is not okay. But people make mistakes. They can change. Let's use this to maybe bring some attention to substance abuse issues, to bring attention to people going through certain things that they're not necessarily a bad person. Maybe they just made the worst mistake of their life because they're in the throes of alcoholism or depression or something going on.

internally, I think it allowed people to humanize Shannon a little bit more and maybe relate to it a little bit more. So I'm actually really happy with what it's done overall. I hate the way that it's been handled on the show. I think it's ridiculous that Alexis is saying the certain things and threatening with videos. Now I think that's bullshit. So the way it's been portrayed on screen has been tough to watch, but the audience response to me at least has been encouraging. Yeah. I mean, I would argue that the audience response is helping Shannon in the long run now, too, because people are reaching out making sure that she's okay. I know that Vicky just was talking on her pod and even Erica Jane popped on to two keys. And she was supporting Shannon as well. So now you see all these, like a lot more people are coming out supporting Shannon because of the way that Tamara is handling it. Because of I'm going to come out and say that everybody hates Tamara right now. And the hate for Tamara, is fueling the good things for Shannon, where people are like, you know what? No, Shammer's a terrible person. I don't care what she's doing or how she's portraying anything on screen. She's just a

horrible person and she's horrible to Shannon. Let's support Shannon. So it's actually working out pretty well for Shannon right now. Yeah. And like I think the thing that's hard and I've seen it firsthand plenty of times is that especially when you're dealing with someone who does have like an addiction issue, being the right kind of ally is not like a straight path. Right. But, But I think it could have been such a moment in the show where you show what good allyship looks like. Tamara, you know, being a very close friend, could have been a better out. Like, they could have come out as winners in a way where they still held Shannon accountable. I personally believe. And I think it takes a little bit attacked and a little bit of, you know,

whatever. But I think even like, I know it's a completely different situation, but like when Emily freaked out on Jen and then came back and said, I don't want to be that kind of person to it triggered something in me whatever some version of that conversation that felt honest and genuine and meaningful with chanin if that's truly how tamra felt i would think would be a good representation of imperfect allyship you know making a turn towards support and maybe it'll happen i i can only hope that it does because i genuinely hope that like no person is truly a bad person in the world but it's hard to watch because you sit there and you go okay if i have if i have a friend who is dealing with an issue, and I truly believe, because it seems like Tamara's

reasoning for it is that she truly thinks Shannon should not drink at all, right? If I'm trying to use the show to hold them accountable, like, remember when Kyle Richards did it to Kim in season one in the limo? It seemed like it hurt her to say that publicly. It's like once I say this here, that toothpaste never goes back in the tube. It seemed like it was troubling to her and it had very real ramifications in Kyle Richards' life. It feels for some reason more flippant when camera's doing it. And that's not respectful of the issue that you seem to think that your friend has. And that's what bothers me. It's like accountability. Yeah, people deserve to be accountable. Like that's part of the reason why I think some of us are so

fascinated with this show, because in our own life, we don't have highs at high and they're not publicized and whatever. Like, we don't have these. moments that are so emotionally charged um and seeing the way people handle them is fascinating but yeah this is one where i'm just like i this is this isn't just not how you treat somebody who you think actually has a problem i just don't think it is no and i firmly agree and shooter had the theory and i the more i watched the more it makes sense to me that tamra obviously recorded this season and didn't know what the audience reaction was going to be. I think that because of the public backlash that Shannon got last year when she got the DUI, Shooter posited that Tamara thought

that she was going to get a lot more support by going after Shannon, by being the quote unquote tough love, which is not what she's doing at all. She's just berating her and trying to drive her back down that hole. But Shooter did say, I think that she thought the audience's reaction was going to be much different than it is. And Tamara on her own podcast even alluded to that saying, you know, I thought that after last year I was going in, I was going to be a good friend and, you know, tell her what she needs to hear and really drive it home. And you're seeing what the audience is saying. And that did not happen, which only confirmed that for me that, yeah, she went in as she always does with an agenda. She's always got a plan. She's always trying

to put things into play. She went into this assuming, oh, they're going to love this because I'm to rip Shannon to pieces, little did she know, nobody was going to like it. And she's actually one of the bigger villains we've seen in a long time, which is, again, arguably good for the show, but tough to watch. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race.

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to and hit play on your next adventure. This fall get double points on every qualified stay. Life's the trip. Make the most of it at Best Western. Visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. Yeah, that's the thing with Tamara. Like, I wouldn't want her off the show because she gives us terrible moments that we can rip her apart for, which makes it more entertaining for us to watch.

But I think with Tamara, and we talk about this all the time, she only thinks in terms of the show, she's not a real person. She just isn't. She's just not real at all. she's only thinking about how her life and what she can do impacts the show. So when she goes and talks to Shannon about all of this, she waited months until cameras started rolling to berate her. If this is truly how you felt and you wanted to be the tough love person,

you could have done that off camera. Why did you wait months? Shannon even said it in the first couple of episodes. I haven't talked to Tamara since she broke up the Trace Amiga store. Okay, you haven't talked to her. She's not reaching out to you saying why she broke it up. She's just doing things in the paper and doing things in media that's just drumming up interest for the show.

And then once the cameras start rolling, then she attacks her. So you're not a good friend. We can see through all of your bullshit. And we know exactly what you're going to do. And I can't wait for this moment because everybody's going to see through it. And you can kind of see the cast starting to turn a little bit on Tamara, at least with this episode, with the traitor's episode, everybody calls out exactly that she's, you know, the biggest traitor in the bunch.

She's going to apologize at the reunion. And it's going to be this big heartfelt thing. And nobody's going to believe it. And I just hope that Shannon has enough and she's been doing so well. that she has enough self-worth now to see through that and not accept the apology. That would be great. That would be awesome for me.

But when Tamara was on Watch What Happens Live, that was like a week and a half ago, and she didn't particularly seem remorseful at that point either. Nope. I didn't think so. I thought she seemed very neutral towards her own actions. It wasn't like she was emboldened to repeat what she had said on the show, but she certainly did not seem like she was kind of hermit-crabbing back to herself.

Not that I anticipate that she would, But to your point, like, Tamara, I think, comes in and she goes, this is my storyline, this is my character, this is who I'm going to be. And in these situations, I have to, like, method actor, these roles of, but in real life. And I would think someone who thinks that way at some point would go, okay, this is, now my character arc has to go a certain direction. And I, it's fascinating to me that, like, she didn't. turn that corner when she was on watch what happens live like really at all because it doesn't shock me

that's what you know I feel like she until she gets the reunion I do still think we're going to get a fake apology because there is something that she's always good for and it's so funny that she talks about this episode when she's called the biggest traitor in the group she's like oh I'm the truth teller no you're not you lie all the time and then you do this back end thing where you backtrack and you say, I never said that. It's like, we have camera footage of you saying exactly that. You can't deny it. So the neutrality for me doesn't necessarily mean that she's not going to cop to it at the end of it all. Like I do still think that the more backlash she's getting continuously. It has not subsided whatsoever. I don't think it's going to because

I imagine she's going to have some more bad moments with Shannon along the way. But I do, I think that we're going to get a fake apology. I think she's going to cry. She tried to cry this episode again after bringing her kids on the show. After they all said they don't want to be on the show, Sophia says I don't want to talk about my dad. Two times Sophia's been on TV.

Two times. Both times, Tamara's tried to bring up her father. Both times Sophia goes, don't talk about that. I'm not talking about that. Again, everything she does is for this fucking show and she throws her family under the bus,

her friends, like she doesn't care at a shooter's point. Like, she doesn't exist outside of the show. Hmm. I find it, sorry, just because this thought will drop out of my head immediately. But I do wonder what she is like off of the show, because it seems like these girls, Shannon particularly, talks about their relationships with Tamara in like this warm way where she always picks up the phone and all this stuff until the show comes in and it's time to fill.

again and maybe doesn't fit whatever she thinks. I don't know what she thinks. I'm not going to pretend be in her head. And I sit there and I'm like, if the, if the version of Tamara that like Vicky talks about, that all of them frankly talk about, because they wouldn't stay actual friends with her in the times that they were not filming if they were, if she was not actually like some semblance of a friend, we see that with other franchises. And it's very obvious. It does seem like these girls do hang out with her and they do have a certain like fondness and warmness and softness for her in the way she handles things like in actual real life land. I'm almost like if I saw that version of her, I think I would like the show more. But I don't know. Like when I said I fell

off of Orange County like a few years ago and then I got back into it, it was because it got too dark and too mean. And that was part of it where it's like this is just not how even real life people treat each other. The two people I know that who have the most money and the most resources to hate other people the most. They don't treat their worst enemy this way in such a public setting. So it doesn't feel authentic and it doesn't feel nice and I don't want to watch anymore. I almost want more authenticity out of her because it feels like there's some version of her that exists in this other universe and that universe seems to be reality and she just doesn't rain to the show. And I would love to see that part because it doesn't seem

present. So you can call me a tamer hater because I'll wear it as a badge of honor. But I'm going to spin that and say the only reason that she was nice to Vicky and Shannon during those years that she was off the show is because she wanted to get back into it. How else is she going to maintain those relationships without being nice to them? The whole thing could have been a play for her to get back to the show. Now she's back and she's back to her normal, terrible, terrible self. And that's all she was planning on. I mean, we see it with her family. Like her family just doesn't want anything to do with we don't really even see Eddie anymore. Apparently he's going to pop back up towards the end with the whole Ryan

Shohei Otani scandal, which that'll be interesting. Looking forward to that. Yeah, that'll be great. But at the end of the day, I just don't believe anything that she does is real. So when you're talking about the real version of Tamara, I don't know who that is. I hold hope for people. I just can't believe somebody's bad. And like maybe that's just like.

No, because I'm the same way. I don't believe people are in. inherently bad and shooter gives me shit for it all the time but i don't like she seems irredeemable like that's and i don't like to put that label on anybody it's just every time i see a moment where she has a chance to not be an asshole or to support somebody and not support her own agenda she always does the opposite it's like well it's hard to root for somebody and continue to hold out hope for somebody that continues to trample everybody she's close to no matter who it is and it's just to your point where it's getting too dark. And I think that's been kind of across the board

for Housewives show in general recently over the past couple of years. You look, jerseys unwatchable at this point. They're rebooting that. Roney before it got rebooted was getting really dark. Like a lot of these shows were starting to take a turn towards not fun stuff to watch. And so I think that Tamara thrives on that. And I think that that's where she wants to be. I think she thinks she's performing her best at that. But that's just my take. But let's jump into this episode before we get two side try. No, no, no, no, because we could do this for a while because not a lot happened this episode.

So it's perfect that we had like a good preamble. But I want to start out at Shannon with the breathalyzer, especially because I saw page six and they took it down, but it was too late. Did you see the picture that somebody posted of her blowing into the fucking thing? Yeah, from her car window. Yeah, they posted that like a day or two before this episode aired, which means that they knew it was going to happen and they wanted to get as many clicks as possible because you're not going to get that after this episode airs.

But still, like, what are you doing? Like, people that took that picture. And it could have been months and months ago when people were still on the, you know, Shannon needs to pay for her crimes train or whatever they were doing. Not that that's excusable whatsoever. But the fact that page six was running, it just shows you where the state of housewives are. Hmm. And just, and also like she's being, she's being held accountable in a court of law.

And she's come out very publicly, very obviously, vulnerable, tail between the legs, remorseful. And it doesn't undo anything. It doesn't undo anything. But there is a little part of me that again, and maybe it's because there's like a little part of me that's like soft for the better of mankind and believing in other human beings that is like she she has shown that she messed up. she is so wildly embarrassed about how she messed up and she should be and there there are consequences for her actions and she is dealing with them and sometimes it's like the court of public opinion sometimes takes it like a little like a little too not i don't mean too far in that like they take it and run with it but like a little bit too into other people's homes like

there are times where you harass the wrong person on the internet or you DM somebody's kid or you hear these stories about these things and you go okay wait a minute the angry mob thing we've seen it throughout history and never never do people go the angry mob that went into someone's home had it right like even in the worst scenario you just don't really i mean i'm sure there's certain examples that that's true and someone will i'm sure comment and say what that example is We'll let you know when they let us know. Frankenstein. Why? Why do you mean? Yeah. Why do you mean Frankenstein? Yeah, he's on my side too.

Bobby's like, yeah. The whole point of Frankenstein is that he wasn't a monster. No, I'm not talking about Frankenstein's monster. I'm talking about Dr. Frankenstein. He was wrong right now. He's, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why for putting together a dead monster thing?

Yes. But the monster was a human or a person. I'm not blaming the monster for it. I'm blaming the doctor. The doctor was the real monster. Wow. Right? Right?

All right. Hopefully everyone's brushed up on their Frankenstein. I'm going to say I read that in high school. And I'm saying like Jody Shelley would be so upset with me that I don't remember the mother. But whatever, I like read it on the beach jammed it the day before we had to go back to high school. I probably have the clothes online. Just being part of the angry mob is not normally the place you want to be.

No. But what I liked about this. seen in particular is, again, the accountability part of her. She's saying, I want this thing, because I guess she could have foregone it and just not been able to drive for another six months. But she says, it's good to be reminded every time that I do this. And this DUI affected every aspect of my life. I don't want to sell health care products. If I myself, you know, my name's on it, but I'm not being healthy. I got a DUI. I want to take my name off because it's hypocritical. Every single time that she has the chance to be accountable for herself, when she had her meeting,

with her lawyer. And he was like, hey, the best thing about this is you serve your probationary period. After that, you can appeal this and serve or tender a non-guilty plea. And it'll be erased from your record entirely. And she says, I don't want to do that because I did do this. And I want to be held accountable. So each time that she's been presented with a moment where it's like, hey, are you taking accountability? Do you actually feel bad? Every single time she says, yes, I do. And I want to be held accountable. This sucked. I'm an idiot. And I'm paying for it. So that's why I like this scene a lot because she continues to be that person. And I just want everyone else to accept that on this show.

And she brought cameras in to film it. Like that's the thing. She could have handled all this offline and talked about it in like her curated, narrated way where it's she controls the storyline. And instead, and this is the part that I think sometimes people forget when they're watching these shows, like you have to set a call time with a crew. you have to set this all up they have to have approval to come into the lawyer's office approval to go into

that like car place and see this all happen and she talked to somebody at bravo the production company about doing this this way or they approached her about it and she said yes i want to show this and for that i go good for you because you know when you do that it's all going to be re brought up in the media and every single week that you do something like this it's going to come back up over and over again. It's going to get talked about like this on podcast, whatever. And she did it. And when you do it that way, it's left in the hands of production and editors. And it's not like she gets to say how it looks or how it comes out or what other people's confessions about it are going to be. And she just said, you know what? Show it. I'd rather show it. I think that's more redeeming than hiding it and

talking about it. But that was a choice that she made. It's not like Bravo just has the right to tell her we're going to show up and film this. And too bad if you don't like it. It's like it's her lawyer's office like it's it's there's a confidentiality there that she has to consent to open up about and for that I'm like good for you because frankly people should see what the repercussions for something like this are either you're ubering everywhere or you're going to do this breathalyzer and it messes up sometimes and she's like the craziest part oh yeah that was wild I would fuck that thing up so many times like there's no way I wouldn't buy I would have three in a day I need to understand how this works it just it beeps every five to 20 minutes what if you're

going on a longer trip. Then you have to do it while you're driving. They said they talked about it. Yeah. Or you're violated. I get it. I mean, I understand it.

But like, there's no way. And like, there is absolutely no way to get through a day with like, no. I would try and feel like I'll go back to Uber. I'm thinking like Shannon's younger than my parents, but like not by a ton.

And like my parents can't figure out like the Uber app that well. And I'm saying like I can't imagine how they would navigate operating that thing. They would be calling me every time. time it went off and being like, wait, Tarr, what do I do here? I'd have to help them every single time. No, it gave me anxiety when they were telling her how to do it. I was like, ah, I would mess this up without a dollar. I'm like, she's going to violate and Tamara's going to go off when she does. And it's going to be by accident. It sucks with that it creeps into our mind immediately, too, that we're like, oh, Tamara's going to have a field day with this one. It's like, God damn. Can't she just be a

real person? Nice, which is not nice. Just be nice. It's not. But we let's move on from there. We get to Jen and Katie are doing yoga. And the only reason I want to talk about this is are we seeing an alliance here between these two? Because Jen, I will say Jen's having a solid season. And I think she needed to have a solid first half because especially midseason trailer, she's about to get dragged because of Ryan, who is also taken somewhat of a back seat, which is nice, because last year we had way too much Ryan.

Way too. The bedazzled Ed Hardy denim jackets and the bowling shirts and God knows what else that man wears without him on screen she's had a chance to really kind of come into her own i've appreciated her stances on things i really liked when she was in big bear with the ladies and she was talking to tamara held tamara accountable and said hey maybe you can try a different approach talk to shannon like i like the way that jens moving this year i don't like katie i don't like katie at all so i think that if you well i mean she doesn't do anything like she just bothers me but with these two coming together, is this going to be like a union where these two are going to link up and maybe

take on some of the other women in the group? Or is Jen just finding some commonalities in this in Katie because of the, not extended family, but modern family aspect? I think Katie's trying to find her footing. That's, that's the vibe. Like I haven't, she says some funny things that are like very witty and smart. And I'm like, it's a shame that she, her and Heather aren't getting along at this point in the season because I think the two of them would have banter that I could appreciate because they both kind of say like highbrow dry stuff and I enjoy it. I think Jen just seems like, and I feel bad for her, like she's so nice. Like she just seems like she's too nice to be in the show.

She seems like she's too nice to be like that close to Tamara. Like I felt bad for her. I know everything with Ryan was a mess last season. I really did feel bad for her. And you know what I loved about Jen when Emily was talking to Jen and she was talking to her about feeling bad about steamrolling her and that it was triggering her and that Jen basically was like kind of helpless Jen goes I am people have done stuff for me my entire life they have I am I'm completely lost I was like you know what that's probably that's not easy to admit when you're a mom

and you're you know running a business and you're supposed to have your life together but I think that's kind of probably how sometimes a lot of us feel is she running business I don't know I don't know I don't know what the yoga studios happened. Their Instagram is in shambles, right? Yeah. And when she talks about it, she doesn't really talk about it. No, she's not pushing it. Yeah, she just says, yeah, we're not getting paid.

That's all I know about that place. They're not getting paid to work there. It seems like a tough business model. But I agree. And how she handled that thing with Emily, I also like that when Emily apologized and went through her ramble a little bit, Jen still had things to say. It's like, yeah, well, that hurt my feeling. Like she didn't just go, oh, thank you.

Let's hug it out. We're good. She didn't clap back, but she stated, this is why it bothered me. And this is also why it bothered me. So I like that she didn't just kind of cower back and back down. We see that a lot. She's an absolute foil to Tamara. Like, she's so a real-life person, it seems like, which is why the Ryan thing is wild to me.

Like, it's so wild. Sorry, shoot, I cut you up. No, no. The wild thing, it started last week, too, when she started talking about she doesn't know how Ryan actually makes money, which is like, oh, shit. You're about to find out. But that's really funny too. And we've come around on Jen a lot.

We feel like she took a beating last year because Tamara just had her on the show so that she could rip her apart for her own storyline, which is a nightmare again. But I will say to Jen's credit, one, she is definitely genuinely nice and every scene that she's in, even when she's with Emily, she's able to resolve it, hear everybody out, still stand her ground, and then find some commonality in there and forgive somebody. Like it's, it is really nice. It's kind of refreshing, honestly, given the track history that we've seen with these housewives, especially new ones trying to make a name for themselves like Katie. But I feel like Jen is, I feel so bad for her because the things that are happening to her, yes, we can argue that she's putting herself in a bad position because she's not making money and she's broke. But the rest of the things that are happening are outside influences.

And she's standing her ground really well. I hope she can get there. I said, yeah, she's, that's her fault. She put herself in those spots. Yeah, I know, but like, she's so, like, I feel bad. The house with the rent, I didn't like, I understood why Gina was that mad about that because Gina was Jen and Gina tried to figure something out for herself and got a little scrappy about it. And then for Jen to kind of, like, that's a huge loan. How, or a huge rent price.

Like, how do you not, like, I know what I make. I know what rent I can afford. And every single time I've rented a house, I've rented so far below what I can afford. just in case something happens. I know she has kids. I know it's different. But that is a massive. What was like 12 grand a month?

That's a huge. I thought it was like 20. It was like 12 or 24? I don't remember. There's a lot. But like to not know where your income's coming from and then to have somebody vouch for you, like no credit check, no nothing. It sounds like just.

That's Gina's fault. Yeah, that's Gina's fault for sure. You can't get mad. Yeah. But what do you say to a friend? I don't know. You say I got to run your credit, dude. like my name were they friends either i don't really know but the katy aspect is kind of funny because

we've talked about this newbies need to come on and they need to find their footing that's what you have to do you need to be able to have obviously confessionals are important because you're by yourself and you can say something witty you're not going to do the alexus bellino and just have like made up lines that you're just running script yeah yeah no we had no Alexis this week this was really nice but Katie came in way too strong she had an agenda she had a storyline that she had mapped out it didn't work we were over that we don't care about that anymore and you just alienated somebody that could have been a good ally so I think now she's she was very sloppy in the beginning of the season now it's midseason you would expect her to be finding her footing now she's back to square one

and she's trying to find her footing once again I agree with steel she's she's nothing right now she's just not really part of the show and really at all especially after talking to heather it's like, all right, we're squashing this, we're moving on. So it'll be interesting to see where she ends up. I feel like she'll still be, like, we're in the early stages of becoming a housewife by the end of the season. So it'll be interesting to see if they even want to bring her back because she's not going to be that impactful.

That's the power of Heather, though. She knows how to make, like, she knows how to neutralize somebody to the point of being, like, non-factor in a confrontation. And it's like, I, sometimes I sit there. I know people said, like, Lisa Vanderpump was like a chess master or whatever they they said about her, puppet master. but Heather is so good at being like not only are you wrong I'm not having this conversation with you and I will not have this conversation with you

and don't ever think about walking up to a party and filming a scene with me because I will not be talking to you there either and we're going to squash this so that we're neutral because being indifferent is worse than being disliked and that's like some savvy that's why they're all scared of her that's why no one wants to go toe to toe with that that's why when Katie came in with this plan everyone's like I wouldn't even Sutton made an appearance from Beverly Hills and we're she's a friend of the show so we talked to her about this whole thing she's like yeah i i love we the fucking go toe to toe with head oh she's great and she's she's been a

she's been a fan of the show shit she was early on she came on our holiday episode yeah if there's a team that you own that you need a sideline reporter for you give me a call sudden i will let you yeah yeah that would be really funny you can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers. Starting at 17 grams per medium latte, Tim's new protein lattes, protein without all the work, at participating restaurants in Canada. Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish.

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saying that her other daughter had made an ultimatum pretty much and said, if you want this to work, get off the show and we can work on things. But until that happens, it's not going to happen. so we get Sophia again and they're driving and look I understand that if Sophia is agreeing to be on the show then at some point she clearly changed her tune a little bit and said all right I'll get on the show with you so I'm not going to knock her there but this is the second time Tamara has tried to bring up the dad and it's the second time that she's been shut down by her child and I don't know how many more times I can see that because I get they're trying to now link up Katie's kid with Tamara's kid because they have a similar backstory with anxiety and all

that and our first rule on brav bros is to leave the kids out of it we don't like to talk about the kids but but do you think that maybe your kid has a little bit more anxiety because you keep putting her in precarious positions on this fucking TV show or she's seeing you in the media be an asshole maybe i just i just think if if if i if i if i was my family or if like if one of if i really didn't like somebody that like my i don't know like one of my very best friends was really close to and it started to impact my relationship with my best friend i would not talk about that person that she's close to that i don't like i would just never bring it up because i know it's a point of contention. I know it's not ever going to go well. And that's the part,

like, I don't like talking about the family stuff either, really, like, unless it's Teresa and Melissa, in which case, I'll talk about it all day because they never stop. But, like, if that's, with my kids, I think I would just, it's so obvious that she doesn't want to talk about it, it seems like, at all, the way she reacts on camera. And then, bringing it up on camera seems actually hurtful. Like it seems like it physically hurts her in that moment to be like, I don't want to talk about this. I don't want to talk about this.

Like, it's so visceral. It's instant. It makes me uncomfortable. Like, it makes me secondhand uncomfortable. And I have like two happily married parents who don't even know who any of these people are. And I'm like, I feel so awkward about it. It makes me uncomfortable.

Yeah. It's going to make everybody uncomfortable too. And for Tamara, you lost. one child to the show do you really want to risk this again like maybe you just tell if you have a good relationship with your 18 year old 19 year old whatever hey stay off the show you know we can work on our relationship and we can be mother and daughter i don't need you in here but it's tamara so she's going to make sure that she can milk it for everything that it's worth at no like worry about what the cost is and it's just i don't know it's it's tough obviously we talk about how she treats her friends

the people on the show but to watch her do this to her actual family it's like okay this is who you are and this is brutal to watch. Especially when it gets to the confession. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, no, the daughter did go and watch what happens live with her, right? Or it was a bartender or something? I think she was there. Yeah.

I think the bartender. I think it seems like the daughter is kind of open to it. Like, she's open. Yeah. But even, okay, like the thing where I was just like, I want to jump from the screen and be like, wait, don't do this was when Tamara was talking about the older daughter and seeing her at a graduation and they talked momentarily and that she never heard from her again after that or they didn't really talk after that.

And pardon me literally, whether I liked Tamara or not, wanted to jump through the screen and be like, don't talk about this because it's just, it's going to bother her. It's going to hurt your relationship. Like, let me help you here, please. Like, just don't talk about it. Because it's either it's doing exactly what you think it's doing

or it's doing the exact opposite and it's nowhere in between. It's, sorry. It's either you don't really care about it and it's hurting her, but you don't really, at this point, it's a lost cause. So you might as well talk about it on the show. or you have no idea how much it probably is going to bother her to know that you talked about that moment on television when she doesn't want to be on television and your relationship is fragile. She should know though because like she ends it with the confessional where she feigns tears. Like I didn't believe that for a second.

She gets choked up very briefly and she's talking about how Sophia has no contact with her dad and refuses to talk about it. And the other daughter has no contact with me. And like it's all just so sad. It's like, again, if she wants to be on the show, Sophia, great. That's awesome. I don't wish that they have a bad relationship. Their mother and daughter, of course, I want them to have a good relationship. I don't care how much I hate Tamara.

That goes without saying. Now, if you know that the parameters of her being on this show is to leave certain topics alone, one, don't bring it up on camera with your daughter. Two, when you're in a confessional, don't break it down to the audience. Like, we don't know what's up. Everybody knows what's going on with your family. don't bring it up to us and then try to garner sympathy because you're like nobody's talking to anybody it's like they've made it fairly clear that a major part of the lack of contact is due to this program that you are currently on talking about the same issue that none of your kids want to be brought up in the media and yet you continue to do it at every turning point because you think that us the audience is going to see it and go aw poor tamra this is why she's going through it because her family doesn't talk to her it's like you keep doing it to yourself

man it's hard to get sympathetic for someone that keep shooting himself on the foot yeah yeah good point steal thanks man but let's do you have something no i just sometimes i wonder i'm like i feel like eddie actually like seems like he has like a good head on his shoulders and i'm kind of like what do you like say something i know say something just tell her no just don't talk about it. It's not going to help you. I don't think he controls it. I think you see it in the scenes with both of them together. He's kind of just a yes man. He kind of whatever she says, he backs her up a little bit. He doesn't ever dig too deep. They're wearing their matching leather jackets after they got done biking to the bar, you know, and I don't think that that's their relationship.

I think it's like she says something. He goes, uh-huh, I love you. You look really pretty. Nice jacket. I think that's it. Yeah. fair let's keep going because we got to get to the traitors party but we start out we get Shannon and Vicky I love this scene this is just Vicky to a T for me because they're sitting in this car Shannon's trying to debrief her on the Tamar shit she's like yeah it's been really tough I've tried to open up and she keeps trying to shove me down this hole I'm trying to fix myself Vicki and she's texting she's talking to text up while she's sitting there talking she goes i'll wait till you're done okay so anyway we hugged it out can you put your phone

down please vicky gives her no acknowledgement whatsoever it's just it's that's like a true friendship and i love when we see those two on screen together because they're not like actually getting mad at each other there's no issues there it's just the two of them just chat and then vicky knows what's going on she's like i don't really care i'm not i'm a friend of on this show until they make me an actual housewife and pay me what i want i'm out of here i don't care What's your Vicky stance? I don't, I'm not a Vicky fan. I don't like, yeah, she scares me, so I'm a little afraid to say that out loud.

But she, I don't like when people weaponize Christianity. I feel like she does that a lot. I don't like when people weaponize any religion. I just don't. You know, like I'm not super, super religious, but like my mom growing up was always like, as long as you know the basics and being a good person means not taking Jesus and using it to make somebody else feel bad about themselves. And that's like, I just, I don't, like, I don't like when she stood up at the table

and she was like, we are not, we are good Christian women, this is not what we do, or whatever she said. And you're just like, that's not. At least they backed it up with a Vicky montage for not being Christian. Yes, yes. I don't know when O.C. weirdly got Christian and I don't know what the hell happened. Very Christian. When Tamara got baptized, they got very Christian as well.

Yeah. Yeah. And then he called Alexis. Just here, like, everybody's, everybody's weaponizing it. Like, Alexis is talking about praying. It's like, cut the fuck out of here. Yeah. I mean, Alexis, who's sitting there, and this was another thing that I really did not like.

Because I, sometimes I wish they would just turn a camera on the cameras so people realize, like, what these set up scenes look like. And you've seen it on, like, Dumas sometimes. But for Alexis to talk about John having these videos that would ruin Shannon's life and this is what happens in the, the video and basically be like, we're not going to do it. We're not going to release it. But if she better do what she should be doing or else we're going to release these and they'll ruin her life, you set it out loud. Whether you see the video or not, you set it out loud.

And that was intentional. Like, there's no way you missed the big giant beta camera in front of you. Like, you did that intentionally. And so that whether John has to do it or not, it's out there. And hopefully it hurts. Shannon and it helps your relationship and whatever. And get it, people do crazy stuff when they're in love. But that is mean. That's terrible. Like, mean is not the right word. Um, but anyways, back to Vicky. Yeah, I just, um, I just, I've never liked her initiating new housewise. I don't like,

and I love that Andy called her out for it. Um, when she was like, you know, we, we, like, I, I invented this franchise. Like, I invented this whole show basically. And Andy's like, well, no, we went out and we got casting tapes, then we casted you, and then we put the show together, and you were on the show. You didn't invent the show, but, you know, so I, I don't really, I don't love her, but I love Shannon having a friend that seemingly, genuinely hope she does well. The voice-to-texting thing, I was like, this is my mom. This is the generation that talks about etiquette and then does this stuff. And you're just like, you have no, you might have better posture, you might know the salad fork from, the other fork but like this is like boomer etiquette to a tea and it made me laugh vicky's good

for a laugh she is i'll give her that always yeah well let's get to the traitors party because we have the return everyone's talking about it everyone's so excited about it really drummed up a great response positive response from the bravo community teddy mellen camp is back on our screens and everyone's pissed about it. Yep. What are your Teddy thoughts? You ask my Vicky thoughts. What are your teddy thoughts?

Shooter, would you like to go first? Well, I mean, just the association with Tamara and Nuff and that stupid podcast that they do. She's already on a shit list, but she just does nothing. She's boring. She's,

I don't know. She's just hungry for the limelight, it seems. Like she wanted to make this. You're not on the show. And she tried to make the entire traitor's thing about her. It's like, no, not going to do it. it. Admission. I agree with Shooter. I also think that why Teddy drives me nuts is because she does pander. She tries to get back in people's good graces. Then she goes on Twitter

and says she doesn't care about the public opinion. She's like, that doesn't matter to me. It's like, yeah, it clearly does. But I have to give her a little bit of credit because I did, I all-ed, wow, that's not L-O-L-L. I-L-L-Led a little bit. Jesus Christ. When she said, well, of housewives and vicky for two reasons one it was funny that was a funny funny line but two it's like hello teddy you're not a housewife either no from this show because you were telling your clients to not eat food and that they were fat that's a big fucking problem especially somebody coming from like the fitness world that's horrible so your background sucks you suck the only claim to fame that i can really put together here is that your dad is john cougar melon

camp if she kept teddy cougar melon camp in the name i think i'd like her better but yeah i she bothers me and i don't we do not like two t's on this podcast i'm not sure if you're a two t t listener no shade if you are but we're not personal fans of them because they they tend to say things that aren't true a lot and then they really try to drive it home that's our teddy take or they just or they just lie about it blatantly after saying it on their podcast they'll just go to twitter and be like we didn't say that's like what are you talking about it's not what we heard it yeah okay that shocked me that that that happens in housewife universe um oh yeah right her her and tamera like personality wise just don't make

like when they first but i heard they were doing a podcast together i was like this this this doesn't i don't know why but it's like like pickles and nacho cheese like they're just two things that don't really like go together to me like i don't like that yeah like it's just like a weird like toothpaste like it just doesn't um well the next podcast i come on we'll have pickles and not to cheese um but like they they just never made sense to me and it always it bothered me because one whether people like this take or not i always thought teddy was like underrated one of the more beautiful like i think she is a beautiful beautiful woman and she objectively yeah she's she's gorgeous no one's saying she's not she always felt like i always felt like there's a certain aspect of like

insecurity to her personality and that's why she did certain things. Like I feel like Tamara does certain things and there's like an ulterior motive. It's not even Machiavellian. It's just like we're doing this for the narrative. Teddy sometimes seemed like she did stuff because she thought like this is what I should be doing. Like the Lucy Lucy Appalducey thing. It was like this is what I should do, right? Like that's kind of how it felt to me. And I don't know. So you're a Teddy apologist is what you. There's not a lot of you out there. A long apology. there's not a lot of you out there I don't like

I liked her friendship with Kyle Richards I did actually and I just like the severe the severe dislike for her I never kind of got because she didn't invoke that kind of like strong reaction for me

yeah but some people do some people hate like some people are suing to her a lot of people hate Teddy a lot of people hate her and I never I always kind of was like I think she just

wants to fit in, but the thing that's a shame is she's got such a cool background and she's so beautiful. And I was like, if she just tried less, I think she would be like, like she's, I think she would just be really likable. I think she would just come off really cool if she just played it cool. But I think she just tries a little. So you're her number one fan. That's actually the third T for two T's in a pod. The third T is try, try hard. That's what they are. That's their commonality. And I feel like that's why they teamed up is because they both are so, there's a fourth T. Thirsty. They're very thirsty. Please try thirsty. Now, we've got four T's in one pod. That is a, that is a very, very crowded pod.

But, yeah, I, I'm just not a fan of her. As a T name, I have to stand and stall at it. No, I'm just, I'm totally. We've got five T's. We got five T's. Yeah, no. Taryn, Tamara, Teddy. Thirsty. No. No. Try hard. Try hard. No. No. Please, no. you did this you lumped yourself i i i i there's a part of me that's like with more but then i have to remember like this is like uber rich people that like she she lives in beverly hills and has like a life of luxury so but i just part of me wants to be like just believe in yourself a little bit more and stop being so like i feel like kind of tamra i don't know whatever anyways the return of motivational just be a better person i told you i try to see

the best in humanity of other people believe it or not. Just Teddy, just do less and be better. I believe in you. Even Bobby's like, girl, no. I was like, fuck that. She's irredeemable, pal. Please stop. But it was weird. It was weird to see her, first of all, in like a riding outfit, for

what? Was there a horse that I missed that? That was her traitor's nod. That's what I guess she thought Alan coming would wear. I don't know. But it was like Scotland was the theme. And I don't I don't think she knows where Scotland is to be honest pointed out on a map why why not why not

steal well at the traitors party a few things went down we're going to cover a couple of them so up first we've got Emily and Jen as we kind of discussed this earlier but it was nice to see Emily come to terms with her shit and we saw that in her scene with Shane when they were doing the spray tan together other, but to hear her say, you know, this is childhood trauma kind of peeking itself back up because my mom wasn't there and I had to kind of do my own thing growing up. I grew up a hard shell, a hard exterior. So seeing you go through this, it triggered something in me. I'm taking

full responsibility. I'm so sorry. And I like that she was able to do that with us. There's so many times that we get apologies with a caveat. But, and she didn't do that. She said, it's all on me. I'm really sorry. And again, I like that Jen stood her ground and says, you know, yeah, this really sucked coming from you and you must really value money and you look at me like I'm less than. And I think that took Emily by surprise too. I thought that I think she was expecting, oh, it's okay. Like I thank you for apologizing. And instead she was like, oh shit, there's more to this. But I also appreciate that Emily didn't snap back at her. She sat there and listened to it. She gave her another explanation. And then Jen really hit it out of

the park at the end by going, you know, I really look up to you. I think that hit Emily in the gut she was like oh fuck i'm an asshole yeah yeah and that's how like a normal conversation is so nice yeah yeah yeah like gen is super nice and i look i i like i really like emily but it's not you can't hold your trial childhood trauma from your mom from years and years and decades ago against jen who's just nice and very very very naive you can't hold that against her like this is for me it's a like three four episodes too late you already went after her for all of those things the damages already done. People are already pointing to the fact that you live off of Shane's parents money because he's a trust fund kid, which is very funny to even imagine that watching Shane take a spray tan. But it's just you can't hold that against Jen. I don't understand like you can't point to this and be like, this is why I did it. So that's why I'm happy that Jen stood her ground. Because if she had just accepted it, I'd be like, well, that's kind of bullshit. You should go after her a little bit. She she kind of hurt you. And she made this whole thing about her. I don't really believe in any of that. So again, I like, I like Emily a lot. I think she has a lot of potential. we said that last year too she could be so much better it's just little things like this

drive me a little crazy yeah i first of all i love i recently and i was not this way at first i love watching emily and chain interact i find them hilarious i do too weirdly i i'm starting to enjoy it more and more and i didn't use to i did not like shame i did not like she didn't comfortable i i i i like shame i don't really like shame that much but i i i i like that she gives him crap he gives her flack like that's i i enjoy like the the anniversary dinner whatever it was with like the gifts and stuff that was a little bit strange i would give some of big framed or big coffee table boudoir photos at a public restaurant or would you show it to a random man on the street and be like hey does this look like my wife give me give me a few minutes with it i'm going to

go take it over here and i'll let you know oh god no But what I like about them, especially in a sea of not fake relationships, but they're clearly playing it up for the camera. They seem genuine with each other. They're strange. It's a weird dynamic, but it's their dynamic. They own it. And they genuinely seem to like each other. We don't get a whole out of that in these shows.

So I, yes, there's something in dealing about that much. I think he's, and look, this is his own fault for not being healthy. But she brings it up all the time. that he just downplays it, downplays it, downplays it, and just lets her go. Because he doesn't want to address it. Exactly. But she also went through the whole discussion about why she feels like she's attacking Jen. And it seemed pretty personal.

And what does he do? He just kind of stands there. He's like, oh, all right. Like, good stuff. He's not comforting her in that moment. He's not a good husband. Some people, I think, especially with some of these husbands, I think some of them just are awkward on camera as well.

Like, I think about how much I am not like a pediatric. person, like my biggest, like, sorts of anxiety about, like, being a real grown-up who gets married and stuff like that is, like, I feel like it's going to be so awkward to have to stand in front of people and, like, do vows, even if they're, like, pre-written. I just don't, so I get where it's just like... You're a reporter on camera. Yeah, but I talk about other people. Like, I don't really, you know, what... She's not working about how much she loves the Phillies. Yeah, like, it's just, yeah.

You don't love the Phillies? Oh, okay, first of all, I'm expected to be objective. second of all, I do, I do, but it's like, I can't, I just emotional stuff, it's just weird. Like, look at me now. But, um, I think he's just a little awkward on camera. And the one thing he's very comfortable doing is clearly like, sarcastically kind of like making fun of her in a loving way. And that's, I sit there and I go, okay, I can relate to this. Like, I, I can, I don't know. I, I, I, I like them. I didn't, they used to make me feel uncomfortable a little bit, because he seemed like he not only didn't like to be on camera doing that stuff,

but like didn't like to be even like in the home now he seems more normal, more comfortable. But yeah, to go back to like the initial part of the episode that we were talking about, I'm sort of with you where I liked knowing more about Emily in that moment. Like I feel like I liked knowing about that part of her life that she opened up about. it does like if that's how she feels and that's you know Jen scratched like that weird itch pressed on that bruise of hers

then I can't speak to whether or not that's where it comes from but you do kind of go like yeah but why are you holding it against Jen like I would almost I would almost understand easier if she was like Gina's my very good friend

and you put her in a terrible position and I have a hard time forgiving that because even if we're fighting I'm very defensive over her Like, I could see myself. That would make a lot of sense, yeah. But, yeah, I liked the interaction. I liked that Jen countered her, but it wasn't aggressive.

It wasn't malicious. It was just like, this is what I think. And Emily came back at her and was like, well, this is what I think. And eventually Jen responded and was like, yeah, well, it just really sucked because I look up to you, because you're a person who can figure your life out on your own if you have to. And I admittedly. Not. Yeah. I kind of like that it was a conversation where they disagreed and they just had a conversation. Because that doesn't happen a lot. No, but that leads to real resolution. That leads to

them actually getting over it instead of other instances we see stuff like that. And there is no resolution. It's like, yeah, we're good. Fake hug and let's move on. So I like the scene. I like Emily. I like Jen. So I'm glad that they're copacetic now. We're able to move. move forward. And yeah, I'm glad we got a glimpse into Emily, like, why she acted that way and that she owned up to it. I think that that's big. But we also get a reunion of the trace amegas, which Tamara says no way. Do we think there's definitely going to be, they're definitely going to bring it back, right? I mean, the state of them right now, Vicki's taking a lot of shots at Tamara. Oh, wait, you're right. I forgot about the current. I do think that eventually,

And look, they might be in their 70s when they actually do this. But I think at some point, they're going to get back together and do like a show somewhere. It's just every time that they talk about each other in the media, it gets pushed back like another year. That's fair. Well, as Tamara has that podcast with Teddy, I forgot for a second, with Teddy. You're her biggest fan. How could you forget? Yeah.

You're on the podcast. We're going to rename him Teddy. No. Oh, God, no. No, I won't. with an eye. Somebody said Graham to me too, and I was like,

you clearly don't know about Raquel Levittes. It's hippie now. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of that name either, but that's okay. My dog's name is Bobby, so who am I to judge? But it seems like as long as that podcast is going on too, like Vicki's just going to continue to have, even if they get along for a certain reason,

he doesn't like the truth. He's corally right now. Bobby doesn't like the trace of megas either. Bobby doesn't like the trace of megas either. I just can't see it because she really like, she really dislikes Teddy. Vicki really dislikes Teddy. I wish, I mean, the tweet was kind of, that, that interaction at BravoCon was very entertaining. Oh, it was very entertaining.

Yeah. So. But, but you got some? No, that's it. Okay. Well, they go through the falling out, like what led to it. like Shannon and I had a falling out and it was based on her drinking and then Shannon's response to that is yeah well you went and like Alexis post that one day and one of the hashtags

was like becoming friends or friendship or something along those lines that was the same day or within the same couple of days as the John Jansen announcement so it's clearly pointed this was not a random one-off where you're like oh nice post Alexis you clearly wanted to drum up some kind of response you did and now you're using Shannon's drinking as the reason for the Trace Amiga's falling out. I don't believe that for a second. I think that was a very convenient time for you to use that. But what do you guys think as far as the falling out with everybody, and especially when it comes to Tamara and Shannon and the Alexis Bolino at all, we get into the videos and everything like that. To me, what I'm seeing is because Tamara almost seems like

a mouthpiece for John Jansen and Alexis in this moment where she's like, well, here's what they want. It's like she's the mediator. Yeah, she put herself in that position, though. She didn't need to be there. And she says that I hate that I'm in the middle of this. People who say I hate that I'm in the middle of this, generally they are put there against their will. Tamara took a step forward to put herself in the middle of this. You never had to go to Alexis and make friends with her and ask her how her life's going and get on FaceTime with John Jansen and say, look, John, everything that I know about you, we've always had really good interactions. You don't have to say shit like that. You just keep yourself out of it. Even if you're not supporting Shannon in this

moment and you're worried about her drinking, then stay on that train and try to give her her tough love or whatever the hell you're going to do. You don't need to be involved in the John Jansen Alexis Bellino thing, that you put yourself there. So don't say, I hate that I'm in the middle of this as if you're the victim here. Like you are involved because you want to be involved. You don't have to be involved. You could have just been there for Shannon or taken a step back or whatever you're going

to do with all of that. And if Vicki wants to give you shit for not being there for Shannon, that's your own prerogative you have your reasons for not being there for shannon just do that don't put yourself over here because that's clearly the wrong team i don't understand that part of it because tamara is usually really calculated so i don't think that she really thought that went through like the fans are not going to be on team alexis and john jansen everybody hates john jansen but you look at the most divisive right now housewives franchise is new jersey right and you look at who truly is stuck in the middle of that divisiveness and it's florus katania and it's boris catania and

And she's the most well-liked housewife on that show. And it's because she handles things in a humane, genuine, compassionate way. Like, I would argue as many people want to say whatever they want about Alexis and John Jansen, Louis Ruelas is hearing 20-fold that right now. Careful. Well, I'm not saying anything about Louie. I'm just saying, like, we see online what is being said about him all the time, everywhere, by everyone. And Dolores still finds a way to say, hey, Teresa, people aren't going to like that comment by him and kind of like bring her down when the volcano starts to erupt about it, whatever, and still be friends with the other side.

If you don't like to be in the middle, go get the playbook of the most well-liked Switzerland in the book, which is Dolores Katania, and do what Dolo would do. Because it's like a master class in, I don't like what you're doing, but I'm not your mom and I like you. Let's figure it out. And it's so easy with the John Jansen's, John Jans and Alexis thing also because, like, Tamara admittedly is kind of newly hanging out with them more, it seems like. So it's not like you have decades of very close loving friendships and you're put in a weird situation because of this new guy. You have chosen to hit your wagon to this horse and absolutely obliterate, like take out the, the other horses at the knees in the process, and you just don't have to. It's just unnecessary. No, it makes no sense, especially considering you're taking the side of somebody that sued you.

You were involved in that lawsuit, even though you deny it now, which is so she's like, she didn't sue me. It's like, what are you talking about? That happened. Everyone knows that happened. Why are you claiming that didn't happen? And then you admittedly can't stand being around Alexis because she talks too much. So you're clearly putting yourself in this spot to be in the middle of this whole thing. I'm glad that Shannon's not budging. No, you don't need to clear his name. Fuck John Jansen. He's the worst. We all think he's the worst. So there's no reason to apologize. And the other thing is you don't have to pay the 75K now because they have out of themselves for extorting you and blackmailing you by holding this video over your head. And that's

the other thing we get from this scene and during this episode is this mention of the video, the mention of the video. Katie's talking about it. Now Heather's talking about it. Jean is talking about it. Tamara's talking about it. Nobody's telling Shannon about it. Now, do you think they should tell, like, hey, heads up. They've got some shit here. Yeah, but it should come from somebody, like, neutral. It just, it's, it's so heartbreaking to see how, like, truly broken down Shannon is in certain moments. Bobby, chill, you're not the one that's going to talk Shannon about it. But almost like a Jen who's super nice, where you just go, Jen has no dog in this fight at all and hey this was mentioned but then Jen has to stand up for herself to everybody else yep that's the thing like you need somebody strong enough to stand up like you need like a Heather frankly you need a Heather could do it

Heather could do it but Heather won't do it because she doesn't get involved in stuff like that Gina could try but Gina could not do it fumbled so many times this season already I kind of want her to do it actually now and I'm speaking I want her to try. She's not going to handle it well. She can't handle it. She just gets overwhelmed and then she doesn't understand how she got there. It would be funny to watch. A Jen could potentially do it or an Emily.

Emily could be strong enough to do it. But I don't think she has that relationship with Shannon that she could do it. So there's a lot of people that could do it. Really, none of them are the answer, though. Like even Vicki, Vicki could do it, but she's not going to be able to do it in a loving enough way. She's going to do it in such a matter-of-fact way that it's not going to help. help Shannon in the long run. Somebody has to bring it up and eventually somebody will bring it up

and it'll probably be Tamara, which sucks. It's going to be Alexis. You think Alexis is just going to do it right out of her. I think she's going to throw it at her one. I think, oh, yeah, well, I have a video of almost hitting John Jansen's daughter or Johnny J's Janjan, whatever the fuck she calls him, those terrible nicknames.

She's going to bring it up, I think. I think that's going to be the Lexington Johnny. I can't with the Lexington. Nobody cares. And that's the funniest part about it is, they seem to think that people give a shit for this relationship. They had to turn the comments off on their engagement announcement because it was so brutal. Well, they, so the problem with that, which was really funny when it first landed when they first

posted it because they did a collaboration post, John didn't turn his or somebody didn't turn their comments off. So the comments got flooded and then they had to turn them off. Everything else is you go through her Instagram, all the comments are all turned off because people were just ripping her apart. as they should but that you know kind of wraps up the episode for the most part obviously the traitor's thing goes down heather's the traitor but the end of the episode we get the the midseason trailer which looks electric we got a lot of shit coming up the show hayotani

nonsense is going to be so so fun to watch because we obviously have feet in both worlds the little sport we love when our worlds collide that's like when we're the happiest here so we get a little bit of sports, a little bit of drama with Ryan, and then what else it was on there? Well, they have their trip. I think they go to London, so they have a London trip that Alexis isn't invited to. Normally, I'm against not inviting a housewife on a trip because it kind of takes the whole purpose.

This one I'm okay with. I'm actually pretty pleasantly surprised by that one. It looks great. Again, we've talked about this. They've had to pick up cameras for the Ryan thing. So we'll probably only get one full episode of all of that. So all the scenes that we saw with him talking to Eddie and this and that and whatever, unless there's other things that we're not privy to, we'll probably only get like one or two

episodes of that. But the rest of it looks really good. And it's been a pleasant season so far. Yeah, I'm very interested because when the, when the show hey translator, Ryan stuff broke, I wish I could have DM'd you guys at that time because I was trying, everybody from my, my baseball world had no idea what I was talking about. Like, this is Jen's boyfriend. and like he I thought he was having a redemption arc on the show or that he might and then

whatever and um and you know they kind they didn't do any favors last season in terms of editing and how that made him appear and so everybody from my bravo kind of world I they know who show hey is like in the zeitgeist but they don't really like I'm sitting there like sending them ESPN articles they're like I don't have the app I can't read this and I'm like you mean you'll have the app you know and um so it'll be really interesting it'll be interesting how much they can talk about because so much of the stuff about like who was actually handling the money and everything else was has been like slowly unraveled over the course of like weeks after the initial kind of boom took place so I'm curious to see how much they include

how they try to like educate bravo fans who might not know on what kind of like implications that sort of really had for a moment in the baseball world. The greatest player potentially to ever play the game has a massive gambling scandal and his translator is the one doing it. Literal like inside baseball. I've talked to plenty of translators while interviewing different athletes, you know, and there was a series right before the Dodgers came to Philly last year and I was talking to a translator about he was going to.

the link up with Otani's translator because Otani's translator made like significantly more money than most of the translators from my understanding. And the thing that people don't factor in, yeah. But the thing that people don't factor in is that like when they're on the road, some of these translators are literally like, hand, like personal assistance to every, like a Spanish speaking translator might have 12, 15 athletes on a team and is essentially the executive assistant to all of them in the downtime as well. And so this was, you know, one person who was really working with one player all season

and they were like tethered all the time. So there's, it's a different dynamic with them anyway. So it was very... Are we going to get the translator on Bravo? That would be sick. Oh, that would be great. I would be... No chance.

Fascinated to know. But he always struck me as being like pretty sharp. I don't know. I don't I was they have a very unique dynamic I'll say that translator and because it's a Japanese translator there's not as many of those players it's not one guy handling a group of people and trying to do everything for everyone it is like one on one all the time and this is great insider scoop for our audience that are not baseball or sports people they'll this will be very

interesting to them it's it's a different it's a different relationship And there were, you know, girlfriends that I have that were like, yeah, but how would this guy be handling his money? And frankly, to some extent, I am like, how did he have that much control? A lot of question marks. There's a lot of details that when court documents start to come out will probably get answered. But I will say to that end, they, by all accounts, had a different relationship than the standard because it's not like you go to restaurants and there's English and then Spanish and then right below the Spanish there's

Japanese on every many or or you know when you call in to whatever customer service line it's like press preño pressione dos and like you know you don't get that with Japanese so somebody actually did have to do a lot for him

but I mean is the guy well and Ryan though like that's the crazy part how the fuck did this guy get in there like he seems like such a trash bag it's so funny to see him it was it was a very like one of those weird like scantnaval like dual realities

when you hear Jen in that one episode go I don't know what Ryan does like I joke them every day that he like wakes up and he's in La La Land living the dream and you're like no I know how this book ends it's not good yeah it's really bad it's self it's federal prison bad it's really fucking bad I'm so curious

how it's going to shake out I'm so curious I don't like that for any one though. I always feel bad. I felt bad for Juicy Joe. And I knew people who knew him back in the day. And they were just like, don't feel bad. And I was like, I do not feel bad for him. Or Ryan for that matter. Or Ryan. Put himself in this spot. Ryan is Louis 2.0. Like everything he does on camera, I'm like, this is all fake. You're not this nice to people all the time. I don't buy it at all. But if you have time, I think we have some questions from our audience. Rossi related probably

But we shall see A couple of quick hitters Yeah we'll do a couple of quick guys I'll get out of here Sorry I'm long winded sometimes guys Oh you're good Totally fun They give me 20 seconds to talk on TV

So this is my moment Yeah You made it You're on the broth rows I mean it was like Wayne Gretzky introduced one of my interviews And then this is like right here

Yeah no that makes sense A lot of people say that all the time You know I went to Wayne Gretzky's last game at the garden. I had a jersey signed by Wayne Gretzky and I fucking wore it because my stepdad didn't put it away until I was older and understood the value in it. And now you can't see the autograph anymore. You can't take it with you. You can't take it with you. I'm so that's, you know what? It's just like, I mean, how old were you? I was like nine. And how much did you love that moment? Oh, the moment was great. And I could have worn it for one day. I wore it extensively.

And now you can't see the autograph. It was not my brightest moment. I appreciate you siding with me, though. Thank you for making you feel better on that. Usually I feel like shit. No, I'm fully like, I think when people like get nice stuff and then they like put it away because they don't want to wreck it, I'm like just, it's like taking a picture of the moon. It never looks as good as in real life. Just enjoy the moment.

Like just be there. Yeah, that's why I wore it. That's, yeah. I'm meant to do that. I got you. I appreciate that. All right, questions, Magout's. Yeah, I got a couple of quick hitters in here.

Who's worse? Johnny Jay or Tamara? I'm going to say Johnny Jay. He brings nothing to the show. At least Tamara's working. I like what Emily pointed out was that I find it. I really don't like that John waited basically until Alexis was on the show and they were shooting to do all of this. I think that is so cruel to do to someone who's clearly going through.

You know, again, her own fault, she has to deal with her own actions and their consequences, but to sit and wait and then also have been kind of miserable to her about forcing you on the show feels incredibly mean, like so mean. Definitely. He's the worst. From Max June 3, does Katie deserve a second season? I'm willing to give her a second shot. Yeah, yeah. TBDs probably a better answer. Yeah, as of right now, I'll give her a second shot.

Why not? It's better than Teddy coming back on. I'm pulling for my fellow sports reporter girl here. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. Okay, but she's a golf reporter that knows nothing about golf. That bothers me. I take that back, not knows nothing. That doesn't play the sport.

Yeah, it doesn't, yeah. Well, I don't play professional baseball. Val, it's a really great point. It's a really great point. but but you seem passionate about baseball she seems to not give a shit about golf unless she's commenting on golf but you know what here's my thing i like that she owns it because there's plenty of people who are mean because they're a little bit like not steady on their feet that most of the industry especially the women are really nice to each other like it's a big misconception

the ones who tend to not be super kind are also the ones that i find tend to be struggling with the most, like, insecurity and their own ability to do it. And I like that she kind of, like, she's self-deprecating about it. I also just like a self-deprecating person. I kind of enjoy it. You can laugh at yourself. Some of them can't. Yeah, absolutely.

There's a bunch in here. So this will just kind of be our last hurrah here. From Cam Wine, Jonathan Sinatra, and there was one other one in here. So I'm sorry if I missed you. Basically, they're saying, how much do you think? Teddy wants to hold an orange next season. And if Teddy is on there, would you be surprised because it looks like Tamara has no friends anymore?

I could see a friend of. Yeah. I could see a friend of the fact that Bravo brought her back on at all is a nod to that. I don't think she'd ever grace our screens again. So I could see a friend of, I don't think she's going to get an orange, but I could see a Vicky type role where it's like, oh, there's Teddy again. Like for one episode, we don't see her for five and then she comes back. Maybe.

I think the audience reaction would be really funny to read on social media. Oh, yeah. That would be hilarious. I think if she gets offered friend of, she should say no. I think for her own, like, I think it would be like a more validating experience than to come. I just don't, it seems like taking her off of Beverly Hills and this is like the way Housewives talk about it

like Beverly Hills is kind of this like mecca of they have the most they have the nicest they do the coolest trips whatever to Orange County which is a little bit more it's not normal by any means they're very very upper class but like it's like you couldn't make it on Beverly Hills almost seems like the vibe sometimes

whether that's what it is or not and then to to not only, if you're brought on as a friend of, it seems like, I just, like. Do you think she deserves more? If you're going to ride the bench, just try to. Wait a help. You know what I mean? Yeah, that works.

That's my personal opinion. I don't know. I just, she has enough in her life, too. Like, just be chill. I keep saying it's not about that. It's about getting back on. Yeah. That's all they want that.

And I think people don't like that. They don't like when it's obvious how bad you want it. No, correct. But that doesn't, that doesn't deter most of them from wanting to get back on. And that's not just the housewives. I mean, that's across the board on any show.

The dudes, like everyone wants to look at fucking John Jansen. Like, nobody wants you, pal. And you claimed that this tore your family apart because being in the public eye was terrible for your kids. And yet you let the minute you heard that Alexis is back on the show,

oh, you ran into her at a bar, the quiet woman or whatever. Yeah, and like, you ran back up. And now you tour dating. Now you're fucking engaged. Like, come on. So, yeah, I think they're all, they always want to be back on in some capacity. I could see Teddy squeaking back on in a Vicky kind of role that she's on this season. I think that would be fitting, yeah.

As far as people wanting that, I don't think anybody wants that except for Karen. I don't think the Tamara needs, like Shannon needs friends. Tamra doesn't need friends. So I would argue that point, too. I wouldn't be happy if she came back as a friend of. I don't need her. I have one last question. And this comes from my wife.

Okay. She said you have great hair and would like to know what products you use. Um, I use. So it's really annoying because it's expensive. So forever I use like main and tail, which you can buy like the drugstore and it's like the shampoo condition that use on horses. And I was like, why is my head? A lot of minor league, a lot of minor league showers have main and tail.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, Why is my hair not growing? Because it's what everybody used in high school. And then I became an adult and I was like, because that's what you can afford in high school. And my friend, one of my best friends from high school, is my, she does my hair color, which desperately needs to be done. And she was like, just spend the money on some Orbe products.

It's really good. And it smells outstanding. Like I bought all their perfume. It's about O-R-I-B-E. Or a B-R-B-R-O-B-R-A-R-R-I-B. arrive um Juan Arabe yeah but it's

it's really good it smells great I'll let her know maybe I'll start using it John Cruck called me the cowardly lying because I wear my hair natural one day so I don't know that naturally my hair is nice

but when I blow dry it it's fine John Cruck is my favorite human being on the planet he's one of a kind John Cruck has a box of fan mail under his desk that is the size of an oversized check piece of luggage and he opens wedding invitations from like five years ago

every single day. That's a whole funny. Sorry to make it. But somebody one time walked up to him at a ballpark and said, when you come to my wedding and he said, I can't. And then later on they lived in South Philly and he like drove to their house and hung out with him that night.

That's the cool. That's so nice. He's the man. If you can tell you next time you come on the show, if you want to bring Kruk with you, you're more than welcome to. He would, I hate to bring it to you. He would not want to do that.

But I have no idea. Based on his tweets, too, he has no idea what Bravo. But he loves dance moms. That's true. There you go. Guys invite moms to talk about dance moms. We talked about that the other day. But we will definitely have you back on if you are willing to do it.

This was a blast. Thank you so much. Thank you for your on-field reporting for the boys downtown. We are both major, major Philly fans. we're just looking forward to Red October at this point. Yeah, they got it. People are worried, I know, but they're, they're turning it over time. They turned it around the right time.

They look great. But again, thank you so much for coming out. And do you have anything you want to plug anything coming up? I'll be on Big Ten Network on Saturday to do Rutgers-Akron, college football. And then you can catch me on NBC, all the home, NBC Philly, all the home Philly's games. And we've got a bunch of good Eagles coverage coming up. Now they're headed out to Brazil. We've sent people down there.

We've got a lot of good stuff coming up. So just if you're bored, just flip over to our channel. And if I'm not on or somebody else isn't on, then paid advertising is on. And we appreciate your viewership for that as well. Plug for the network. Way to go. Nice job. Way to work that in.

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