Bros & Shows - Terrible Showing for the Men of Summer House (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

What's up Bros? We are back with Summer House and lets just say... the dudes in the house had a rough showing. And that's putting it lightly. We get the conclusion of the conversation between Lindsay and Carl and it still is apparent that Carl is holding back. Even more apparent when he goes to Kyle and frames the conversation in a much different light than the convo we watched. Jesse is nervous because he found another lump just a week before he's supposed to go in for his 5 year cancer screening. Carl and Lindsay have another conversation about Carl's career prospects and Lindsay is very supportive during the convo but just has some questions regarding whether Loverboy is the right fit. Seems perfectly logical to us considering the tension that it caused in Kyle and Carl's relationship previously... Carl spins it as though she is unsupportive and always questioning him. She goes as far to say "can I take something off your plate for you" to help ease his stress. It was a difficult conversation to watch and Lindsay gets upset and rightfully so. Ciara and Jesse clear the air about the trash bag comment. We end the episode with a horrendous showing from Kyle when Amanda brings up the prospect of pursuing her own thing. Despite supporting Kyle and Loverboy for YEARS, Kyle shuts down all of Amanda's hopes and dreams saying that his stuff is more important. He even calls her aspirations a 'passion project'. As previously stated, this was a terrible showing for the boys. We will see how the rest of this season transpires but as of right now we are firmly Team Ladies in the Summer House. Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Time Stamps: Intro: 0-4:17 Summer House: 4:18 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's so good. I have to re-watch the first series. season so I can get caught up. Yeah. Yeah, you have to rewatch the first season. And obviously, there's spoilers in Game of Thrones. And there's a lot of people out there that just enjoy spoiling because they think they're better than us. Don't spoil it. I read the books. Shut up. We don't care. We don't read. But we have a little summer house for you today as this saga of Lindsay and Carl continues to get more and more layered. So let's jump right in and we pick up right where we left off. It's the

end of the awkward conversation of Lindsay questioning Carl about what happened at his parents' house, not even her questioning, more just Carl coming clean after that awkward interaction at the dinner table. And he admits, like, I should have just talked to you. I shouldn't have waited and I shouldn't have held this from you. I don't want secrets. My parents love you, blah, blah, blah. My only issue with that is, once again, and we say it a lot, like hindsight's a motherfucker. Like, yeah, it's easier for you to say that now. And I don't think that lightens the blow at all. I think that I don't even know if he would have told her if Amanda hadn't kind of pushed him. Yeah, I don't think that he would have either, honestly, and it's not something

that we kind of go back and forth on this the whole time, but it doesn't look like it's something that was eating away at him because he felt like he wasn't truthful to her. It looks like it was eating away at him because he knows that she's going to see it. Yeah, right. And at this point in time, if I want to stray away from calling it a plan, but if his plan doesn't work out and they don't break up, then she's going to have to see that as his wife. Correct. That's going to be awful, and that's going to be hard to deal with. Now, I will say, Lindsay's not stupid.

She knows that the writing's on the wall. She understands basically that interaction with his mom was very awkward. A lot was going on. She wouldn't be that emotional if something didn't happen. So I think she knows what happened. It's just a matter of Carl coming to tell her, hey, this is what happened. Well, even the way that she is talking to him about when he's like, my parents love you, my parents love you, she was like yeah we're good on that we're moving past them like you don't have questions after

that that's my only thing and i'm not faulting her at all actually she doesn't have questions i think that she already knew that something more happened and she kind of got the gist of what was going on and what they were telling her now obviously it's a little bit different to hear it plain out my stepdad said that we shouldn't or basically that he wouldn't marry us right which equates to we shouldn't get married 100% i think it's just carl's going back and forth and she's kind of having a hard time with carl just saying over and over and over again my parents love you my parents love you, my parents love you, okay, then spit it out. And what Carl didn't do was say, look, this is just my parents' opinion, mine is completely

different. And because he didn't do that, it doesn't really leave Lindsay with any sort of happiness at the end of this conversation. I think she handled it really well because I think she already kind of knew that something happened. I guess what I'm alluding to is the blindside comment. I believe that she was blindsided by this conversation, but after having this conversation, I find it hard to believe that when the wedding's called off, that she was flat out blindsided. I think it's becoming more and more clear that it wasn't a, in the moment we're calling off the wedding blindside.

Yeah. I think we're starting to see the beginning of the blind side, where she is seeing it like, okay, we're going to work through all of this, right? And you can see Carl on the other end saying, I'm kind of just opening up to you right now that I don't want to do this. Oh, I think that's actually really... I think it's an all-encompassing blindside instead of,

okay, you're finally, like you're just calling. this off at a nowhere blindside, which is what it's been kind of drawn up to be the whole time. That's what we thought it was this entire time. It's like a flat out like what the yeah. No, I think this is a blind said that happened over the course of a month. Now that you're saying that, I think that one of the biggest flaws in Carl's approach, if you want to call it that, I still don't believe that this was like a manipulative plan of how to look better on camera. That's just personal. And I also admit, look, I might have bias here because of the sobriety factor. And that does play into this. And I understand that people have

commented that actually like we'll steal sober too so and look maybe that is a thing and that's why shooters here to give a different perspective because we don't see 100% eye to eye on this matter so it actually helps but like I'm admitting that maybe I see it a different way because of the sobriety thing and maybe I don't see the full picture I will admit that openly but when I'm looking at this and what you just said I think that you could equate the blind side to also being Carl's not being 100% up front. In this moment, I think that he has his mind made up. He doesn't want to do this.

Yet he's telling her differently. So he's building her up a little bit. And then whenever this conversation is at the end, where he says, you know, I went into it to clear some things up. And it ended with us calling off the marriage. It wasn't him going into it. Like, I want to not get married to you. All signs are pointing to he does not want to do this anymore.

Yet he's telling us. her something different. So you could argue that that is a blind siding for sure. But we're going to see it play out. Yeah. And there's another conversation that we have to get to eventually too. And it ties into my thoughts on what's going on. And I'm going to kind of put the two of them together side by side to say how I feel about it. But we'll wait until we get to that conversation. That's fair. That's fair. But they have an awkward return to the table and no one really knows what to say. I think Lindsay's the first. We're like, so what's this reading all about? Let's change the subject. Because I know you're all just staring at us like, what

the fuck just happened in there it's really uncomfortable but they go their separate ways for a second you get a breakdown between kyle and karl and gavie and then lindsay's breaking it down to the girls in the house and i will say amanda did stick up for car a little bit and say you know this is what we talked about it wasn't necessarily like all terrible it's just he didn't know how to approach it and lindsay even understands what carl was so nervous about she's like he was more afraid to disappoint me than he was to relay the information He was just afraid of my reaction to it. But her reaction at the end of the conversation is also interesting.

I think this points to, you want to call it the attraction thing, whatever the sexual, lack of sexual tension, whatever you want to call it. She's like, after all of this, I have to coddle you. I have to make you feel better about this conversation. You just told me that your parents don't want us to get married essentially. And here I am, Patty, you on the back. And in that moment, I'm like, yeah, okay, that's all so fair. Yeah. Like that, the roles should have been reversed there.

It should if, and I could see it Carl's way, if Carl had spun it differently and said, basically what I had said before where, yeah, this is how my parents feel, but I feel completely different. I'm not going to let their opinion affect how I feel about you or what we're going to do moving forward. I'm all in on this. It's just really tough for me to sit there and talk to my parents about it when they feel completely differently than I do. And I want to let you know that I'm 100% committed. I'm devoted. And we're going to go through with this. Like, if he had done it that way, and he was clearly going through emotions of, yeah, my parents feel like we shouldn't get married, but I want to.

And it's conflicting, but this is where I stand. Then, yeah, Lindsay could come back and be like, that's fucking tough. Like, yeah, you chose to tell your parents all of that when I'm choosing to not tell my parents, which, by the way, there is no right way to do that. No. People want to let their parents in on what's going on. Sure, people don't want to do it. I also understand that because you're an adult. Whatever, that's fine.

But if Carl had done it that way and he's clearly going through it emotionally, yeah, I mean, and it's kind of like a relationship, let's come together and try to figure this out together. And yet, there's going to be some padding on the back and some coddling going on. But he didn't do that. He flat out said what was going on. And that's basically negative towards Lindsay.

So she's the one who needs to be coddled in this moment. Not you, Carl. That's what I was thinking, too. And I agree with the parent thing where she's like, this is why I never tell my parents because no matter what, their opinion's not going to change it. That's fine. If that's how you go about it,

I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in the people that are closest to you in the world to talk about the biggest decision you're going to make in your life. I don't see an issue with it. I'm sure some people do, but I think that's just personal preference. But we find out that Jesse has found a lump on his testicles like two weeks prior to this filming, which is terrifying considering he's going in for his five-year checkup. This is the big one that will tell him whether or not he's likely to get cancer again. Because after the five year it's very unlikely it's going to return so it's interesting that when he is leaving the table gabby points out she's like oh you in your feels tonight like immediately they can sense that something's up

he's like no i'm just going and keep drinking whatever yeah he opens up to the audience and like yeah that's got to be fucking terrifying i can't imagine that so he's on edge a little bit he's we find out more about that later but we get to the tarot card reading and i got to call this one out this This lady reading the tarot cards clearly watches the show and clearly set this up. Yeah. This wasn't real at all. He's calling, she is calling out everybody, like, on the fucking nose. I'm like, dude, I think you did your research, which...

Either that or Gabby gave her, like, some sort of player information. That's what I think. Like, it just seemed a way to... Or maybe she's the greatest tarot card read ever. It could be that. Let's not, like, push her down. I'm usually the one that's advocating for these people. You're usually the one that's shitting on them.

Yeah, no, I'm not even shitting on her because it seems like they were all having fun, so whatever. Yeah. But, no, there's no way in hell that she didn't have some sort of inside information, whether through Gabby or she watches the show, which both are fine, because everybody had a good time. Yeah, you're right. And they, you know, party afterwards, and then Carl's going to go smoke a Stogie outside. And this conversation, to me, was also not great because he sits down with Kyle and his opening was too strong because he's like, I'm so fucked. it's bad it's really bad it's like well from the conversation you just had with lindsay it's not that bad and now you're telling kyle and kyle speaks for pretty much everybody watching and he's like

dude you just got to come clean like what's going on you're sugar-coding everything to soften the blow kyle calls everything out he calls the future out maybe it's the tarot cards i don't know but he sees the future he's like you're clearly setting this up you're trying to soften the blow and this is where i don't believe it's a plan this is not i think it's a problem this is not i think it's a plan, but I don't think it's premeditated to make himself look better. I think that he's trying to make or let Lindsay down softly or gently and does not know how. And now he shot himself on the foot because in that conversation where you're talking about

what you talk to your parents about, you should have come flat out clean with everything and said how you feel about it, what's going on. And instead, you still kind of sidestep that you let her take the lead. And now you're going outside. And the way that you're setting this one up, it makes it seem like you're setting the whole thing out because you're like, I'm so fucked, I'm so fucked. And it looks terrible. And I'm glad that Kyle was like, dude, what the fuck? What's going on? Yeah, um, I see this a little differently with, I think he was baiting her. I think that whole conversation was a bait. I think he wanted

her to blow up and freak out so that he could be like, look, I talk to my parents and you're freaking out about this. Like, this is who you are. The first conversation was baiting. Oh, yeah. I think that he's been baiting it the whole time. I think, look, not the whole time, but I think he made a decision a while ago. And this is a good opportunity. Yes, to look good in front of the cameras and two, because he's going to get sympathy. I talked to my parents. We already talked about this. A lot of people are going to lean on their parents, people close to them in their lives when they go through something like that. If he talks to his partner and says, look, this is what's going on and she flips out, then he can say, all I did was talk to my loved

ones and you're flipping out about this. He can paint it back on her and she didn't take the bait. She didn't do it. She's being supportive. She's trying to help. She's trying to help him through it. She recognizes, look, like, this isn't an opportunity for you to get patted on the back. You should be coddling me and you're not. And the fact that he didn't do that points to, okay, this is all about Carl. Carl is being selfish. So now he's out there talking to Kyle saying, dude, I'm so fucked, because Lindsay didn't react in the way that he thought that she would. She's trying to be supportive and help him through this and say, we can still get through all of this. We're going to be fine. I love you. Let's get through all of this. That's not an immediate reaction

afterwards. If she had flipped out and he walked out and said, dude, I'm so fucked, then that's a, okay, Lindsay freaked out. I don't know how I'm going to handle this. There's no way to go forward with this. Instead, she was supportive. And then you walk out and say, dude, I'm so fucked. That is not a good reaction. You come out and you say, dude, Lindsay's the best. Like, I'm struggling with this because my parents did all of these things and said all these things about my potential marriage. And now she's being supportive. Like, thank God I have Lindsay because she's going to help me through this. The dude I'm so fucked is weird. And it just points to this didn't happen the way that you thought it would. I thought that the conversation that he

as with Lindsay later, was him baiting. That's step number two. Okay. The first one didn't work out. Okay. First one didn't work out. So he went to the next trigger for their relationship, which is his career. Interesting.

And I think that if that one doesn't work out, and she comes, yep, if she, exactly, if she comes back next episode and she goes, look, I'm so sorry about how that conversation went. You're right. I should be supportive. I should be excited for you. And he goes, fuck, that didn't work either. Next episode, he's going to bring up the sex life. And we're going to get to that conversation, but I didn't see her being unsupportive there. That conversation, I was like, this is gaslighty and this is trying to set her up.

That one I did believe. But you get a quick check in with Paige and Amanda. And Amanda is, she's got the bug now. They've got in her head about, in a positive way of, hey, you can do way, way, way more than you're doing right now. You should go out on your own, start something. I think everybody's going to follow it. So now she's excited. She's trying to think of different ideas.

What's my next step? Which is exciting to see her excited. Yep. And that's really a different side of Amanda that we haven't. scene. So I'm curious how that's going to go. I know how her husband feels about it later, which was fucking brutal. But we get to the pool with Amanda, Jesse, and Sierra, and we're talking about the trash bag comment because that was fucked up. And especially knowing where Jesse is right now mentally, it's even worse. But that's the thing. I guarantee, because Sierra's cool,

I guarantee she watched this and went, oh my God. Like the timing of that was horrible. I'm so sorry. But they're talking about it. And she pulls up a chair. And she's like, look, my delivery. every sucked, and I apologize for that, it just seems like, and this was fair, this is a fair breakdown or analysis, it seems like you go out with these girls and you don't really give them a fair shake, you just set up the next one, and you just claim that they suck. You don't like them, move on to the next one instead of actually taking the time to get to know them. Jesse even agrees with that.

I do see some merit to that, because immediately when he gets to the house on Friday, every time, he's like, yeah, when on two dates, hate them both now, which is funny. Yeah. But I'm glad that they cleared the air because I love Jesse, love Sierra. I love all of the people in this house that aren't getting involved in the deep, deep drama this year, they need to remain cool with each other because this is probably my favorite

Summer House cast that I've seen most fun. Yeah, and to go on top of that, I don't know if you saw this, but Summer House was renewed for another season already, and they did show that this is the most watched season of all time. I did see that. Yeah. I saw that second part.

I didn't know it was renewed. I mean, that all points to, I don't know how you navigate the Lindsay Carl of it all, but you have to keep everybody on this cast. You need to. You cannot get rid of anybody. Don't even bring in anybody else. I'm still, yeah, I'm like, maybe you bring back someone. Like, no, just don't bring anybody else and just leave it. You could bring back Sam.

That's it. Sam, I still don't understand why she's not on the show. I don't either. I don't get it. There's got to be a reason. And like, if Bravo, for whatever reason, just completely got rid of Corey and Sam, I kind of get it. But last week, Sam was at Lindsay's bridal shower. Oh, yeah.

They showed Sam. So, like, she's not blacklisted. No, it's just, I don't understand it. I don't know why she vanished. She deserves a second chance after the whole quarry of it all. And I think that she would mesh pretty well with this group. Oh, my God. She'd fit right in with this group.

I think she deserves a renaissance. If you kept Sam back, like, keep Sam. I agree. Gabby has, more than Gabby did. Gabby's holding her own this season, which is great to see. I think Gabby's been a delight. Sam just, she fits the vibe of this crew. She did not fit the vibe last year.

And she got caught up with Corey, all of that nonsense. So we didn't get to see Sam thrive amongst the group. I would argue that Sam fit the mold of the show last year. I agree. Which was go out and party and have a good time. And she did it with Corey. We didn't see any dark, weird shit with that because, you know, that happened later down the line, whatever. But she fit the mold of the show.

The rest of the cast did not because they got drugged down by Lindsay and Carl. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah, I agree with you. No cash changes. The only acceptable one would be bring Sam back. That I'm cool with. Yep.

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This is where it gets confusing This gets very confusing Because Sierra Makes a joke Like can I kiss Jesse and West Like yeah whatever Like go for it Because it doesn't matter

She gives Jesse a kiss And then Sierra says I got a cool boyfriend If I'm West I'm hitting my head against the wall Trying to understand what we are Yeah That is so confusing

There's no definition To any sort of relationship that they're in. It's a situation ship right now and she just blurts out boyfriend like that. That's like where do we stand? I would be doing laps in my head. Like, what the fuck does that mean? I thought that we would open up a deeper

conversation. Maybe. When? Again, I think that it's so funny because what Sierra is like, I don't think she's directly not defining what they are or having that conversation. I don't think that she's intentionally doing that. I think she's just going along and having a fun time

and letting things evolve organically. And now she just decided to say, look, and it could have been a throwaway comment, the whole boyfriend thing. Who the hell knows? She does not throw away comments like that. I think she does. I don't think she does. I think it was just in the moment it could have been. It may have not been.

I don't really know. But if you're West, you should take that opportunity to have that conversation. He's not going to because he's just happy where they are. He's afraid. He's afraid to have the conversation because it could end things. Sierra's just kind of going about doing things. I disagree. What?

I don't think he's afraid it's going to end things. I think he's afraid it's going to take... Based on that comment that he had this confessional? Yeah, maybe. But, I mean, if he wants it, he wants it. I don't know. The whole thing is fucking confusing. They need to talk.

Yeah. They just need to sit down and talk. And look, I appreciate that Sierra is letting it take shape organically. You know, technically speaking, we've been hanging out X amount of weeks, a month, whatever. Like, he is my boyfriend. That's nice. That's a nice sentiment.

In this day and age, that's just not how it works. I might be out of the dating world and you tell me, I'm, like, archaic in how I view dating and relationships. Correct. Fine. But I'm not that far removed to understand that in today's world, like, you do need to have that conversation of, are we taking this next step forward? Are we exclusive and boyfriend and girlfriend?

Yes. It's not like the 1950s where it's like, what do they say? Oh, man. Fuck, I had it on my... I don't know where you're going for. I wish I could help. Oh, man. I wish I knew the turn of phrase because it was like an old.

school way of saying like she's my gal god damn it i don't know i remember it later i'll call it out but i don't know it's going to be really really interesting to see how this evolves and what it evolves into especially after that comment sent me for a loop i was like oh fuck what what are they what are you but we get to this is the conversation we were talking about earlier this conversation was brutal this is the third or fourth conversation in a row that we've had from Carl, where he's not doing a good job at all. Yeah. And this is where you could easily argue, yeah, he's setting this whole thing up.

He's trying to look a certain way. So even for those people that are trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, myself included, where it's like, I don't think it was a plan. It's hard to argue against it when you watch this transpire because he's talking about his career and that he had like the Labor Day deadline, so he brings up a lover boy. And Lindsay has questions, rightfully so, because here's the thing. I guarantee a year ago when he was involved with lover boy.

At the end of it, when things are going sour between him and Kyle, he definitely went home and badmouthed the shit out of both lover boy and Kyle. This is fucking terrible. I hate working for him. I hate working. This is bad for me. And Lindsay Price sat there and talked him through it and agreed with him. And he was like, you got to do what you got to do.

You got to take a step out, whatever, do your thing. Now you're coming back to her with lover boy being your only option. That's the other part of this. you don't have other career opportunities right now. This is your only one. So are you going to this because it's easy and comfortable? And that's what she says. Valid question from your fiance.

None of these are damning questions. And it's also not coming with a tone. Lindsay can have a tone sometimes in this moment. She absolutely did not. They are genuine questions. She wants to know to make sure you're making the right decisions for the right reasons. And he's like seven months ago, I would say no. And obviously this is easy to lean into

And she says, yeah, it's comfortable. And this is where you see Carl almost trying to poke and prod And that got confusing. It's like, why are you trying to elicit a response from her? Like a negative response. It just doesn't make any sense. And he starts it off with talking about the guy from Barry's boot camp who was saying you could do something for my company.

You could do something for a company that I invest in, whatever. And here's a bunch of roles. And he starts off making excuses saying specifically, I don't really think that there's any of those roles. that really fit my build. You're almost 40 years old and you don't have any job prospects. You should figure it out. You should have those conversations if you truly don't want to go work for lover boy because it was toxic the last time that you did that. And it almost ruined your friendship with Kyle. So it makes sense that you would start to explore those opportunities and try

to see if there is a role that's fit for you. Maybe you call that guy again and say, hey, I just went through all the opportunities that are there. I'm not really sure if I fit the mold for a lot of those things, but what else do you have? Or do you think that maybe I could work with something like this? Maybe I could learn something. You're never too old to learn something. Instead, he does what Lindsay calls him out for and goes back to the lover boy of it all

because it is easy, because it's something that you can get into. And I know you're putting it under the guise of, I'm really excited about the non-alcoholic thing, and maybe you are, but you could still do what Kyle said. Kyle's offering you any sort of range of career here. He's offering you a rev share. You could just fucking promote it

on your Instagram, which is the easiest thing that you do. And you're also giving Lindsay shit in a conversation that you have with Kyle about how that's what she does. You can do the same thing that she does. And then it's an even playing field if that's how you want to look at it, which is weird to begin with. But if that's what you want to do, you can do that. You could do that and still have another job. And then all of a sudden you go from zero job prospects to promoting a bunch of things on Instagram, including lover boy and having a job. And then you're doing everything full circle. Instead, he decides to take this opportunity to have his partner in front of him who's concerned about his mental

health concerned about him going back to lover boy doesn't show it doesn't say hey that's not a good idea just has some questions about it and when that again this is what i'm talking about from the first conversation it doesn't work he's not getting the rise out of lindsay that he thought he would this is another triggering topic he wanted her to start ranting and raving about how lover boy's not good for him and he doesn't really make any good decisions which he doesn't by the way about his career he never makes a good decision about his career we've been watching him for almost 10 years he does he's never made a good decision with his career. She doesn't do any of that. She's trying to be supportive and all she's doing is asking simple questions about if it's a good idea, not implying one way or another, just trying

to get some more information. Again, it doesn't work. He loses it as cool. Yeah. I mean, she even goes as far enough to say, you know, he goes, I'm just really overwhelmed. It's a good opportunity, but I'm really overwhelmed. And she says, can I take anything off of your plate for you? Yep. Like she is. Portive partner. That is supportive. And he says, I just feel unsupported and question all the time. Every time I have an opportunity arise, I just feel unsupported. And she's like, and I'm glad she stands her ground and she says to him, it's my job to ask questions based on your experiences. You went through this whole shit with lover boy. And we already said this. We don't need to beat a dead horse with it. But this is not a moment to feel unsupported. We have seen

scenes earlier in the season when shit was really bad between the two of them where you were not supported. Fine, fair. But you can't frame this conversation the same way because it's not the same conversation. If anything, she's the most supportive that we've seen. She's calm, collected, trying to talk it out with you because at the end of the day, you're getting married and your career decisions are going to affect her. So for her to sit there and ask you very basic questions about your mental well-being based on what it was like last time you were in this company, valid and fair. And she follows it up with, can I take anything off your plate to help you make these decisions? She's also not saying, don't fucking do it. Nope. She's saying,

are you doing it for the right reasons? Calmly. Yep. You should have a calm response back. There was no negative implication by any way, shape, or form by Lindsay. No, and then she gets upset, and he's like, why are you making it about you? I'm like, dude, you're gaslighting the shit out of it. Oh, yeah.

Like, you're trying to make her look crazy. Yep. And you just look like an asshole. And that's tough. It's tough, especially because I'm trying to see that it's not planned and manipulated in this moment. It was certainly manipulative and certainly gaslighting. And Lindsay handled herself very well.

She did. She handled the whole conversation well. She didn't get upset until he gave her an actual reason to because he's being a dick to her. And she walks away. Yep. So she handled herself, well, it was a shitty conversation overall. But then we get Lindsay coming out and she's talking to the girls about the conversation they just had. And she's like, you know, Carl just got super defensive because all I did was ask questions.

And you're seeing, and this is important to note because this group of girls does not bring people into the fold, especially if they've had shit with them in the past. Yeah. this is the closest that they've ever been to Lindsay and they like Lindsay, Paige even likes Lindsay. This is a very different dynamic. I think there's something to be said about that as far as how Lindsay's behaving and handling herself this season.

They see some genuine, genuineness, genuinality, genuine. Genuine. They see genuine change in Lindsay, at least to the point where they are not questioning things they're saying, they believe what she's saying to her. And I think that that's important. I think that's really important because I do believe that Amanda and Page tend to have a cool head about them.

They tend to analyze situations fairly well. So if they are believing Lindsay, that leads me to believe that there's merit there. Yeah, not only that, but you also get the side-by-side conversations where Carl goes over and sits next to the boys. And he's chipper. And he's in that like, this is something that I hate and I've seen it in real life and on these shows, the smile when you're actually angry. The smile when you're actually angry. It's like a smirk when you're fucking pissed off

and you're just waiting for somebody to give you a reason to get even more angrier. And he's gaslighting them into agreeing with him. And he starts off by saying, I just can't have that career conversation with Lindsay because she's not supporting me. All she did the entire time was support you by asking questions to make sure that you're good.

You don't then get to turn around and tell all of your friends that she was the wrong person in this conversation. Once again, You've already painted it a thousand different ways with these guys, with Kyle specifically, saying that she doesn't support you. So you've already kind of laid it up now, and now you're just starting to knock them down, just trying to get them on your side.

And I guarantee you when they're watching, when Jesse's sitting there, thankfully Jesse's at least recognized it, saying, I understand where Lindsay's coming from, what Carl's telling me, I understand where Carl's coming from. He made a very important distinction there to say what Carl's telling me. Sure. I'm going to play Switzerland. Smart.

But when they're all sitting back and watching this now, like that's not how that went at all no it's not and i hate when you generalize the whole thing you come over there and you go to the single guys like never get fucking merry like me and kyle just going to drown it's like the guys are going to watch this scene back and be like what the fuck was that about because that conversation didn't warrant this kind of reaction and at the same time jesse's sitting there going i understand where lindsay's coming from i also understand where Carl's coming from, but for Lindsay to sit there and ask you questions, that, that seems fairly reasonable in a soon-to-be marriage. So I think they're all starting to see cracks here in his

stories. So I'm curious how it's going to shake out down the road. But we get to boat day. And boat day was a great time, seemingly, until the end of boat day. I want to do one of those, what do they call it? I mean, they were calling Kyle a dolphin coming in and out of the water, but I want do that. Oh, the motorized. I've done that once in Jamaica. We went snorkeling with that thing so you could dive really deep. It was crazy.

We went over this like channel at one point and it was so deep and there was a boat at the bottom. Yeah. And it looked like Jaws was about to come up. And this dude that we went with, this man was probably 65, clearly loved to drink beer. You would never in a million years think that this man had the lung capacity to do what he did. He went all the way to the very bottom with the motion. thing into the boat. It was probably like, I'm probably exaggerating at least 80 feet down. Yeah.

Gets inside of the boat and looks out the window. I tried to go like 15 feet down and the pressure hurt my ear so bad. I was like, fuck this. Anyway, I would do that with you. I would love to do that. That would be fun. Those things are so much fun. But Paige has a heart to heart with West and about the texting other girls conversation. And he just flat out says, I'm not at a point where I'd shut it down with all of the girls, but I'm not blinking anybody else either. He's like, I'm keeping the door open because we're not defined. We are undefined at this point until the random boyfriend comment out of left field, which is confusing.

And Paige flat out says, look, a lot of people say, like, oh, if you hurt my friend, I'll kill you. I will actually murder you. And I actually believe her. I do think she would kill West if this ever went south. Yeah, definitely. But he highlights, and this is the most frustrating part, I think, he highlights. we haven't talked about it. It's like, so you're aware that a conversation needs to be had.

You are just sidestepping the conversation, and I am completely shifting what I thought before. He's not afraid to lose her. He is totally afraid that this will take another step further. Yeah, I think that it kind of shows in that confessional where he talks about how either you're going to have one really sad day or you're going to find the girl that you're going to marry and have a house with and have kids with and have an entire life with.

He's both are equally scary. I just like to chill. So, yeah, he has no idea what he wants it. very scared about all of that and that's okay if he's never had that before but in this moment and this is a moment that we've been waiting for because we've seen the clip about page asking west and west kind of being a little like a deer in the headlights not really sure how to answer the question we thought this was going to be a bad conversation where all of a sudden he says yeah i've been going on other dates yeah i've been talking to other girls all of a sudden no he

hasn't he's just leaving it open because he's got some flirtatious behavior and that's okay because you still haven't defined it yeah maybe at some point you realize okay that this is growing organically and you say, okay, it's not worth it for me to talk to someone else? They're at that point. They're at that point. That's now. That's the thing.

You can know, and look, it could happen a day into talking to somebody. It could happen a couple weeks into talking to somebody. But as long as you know and you can identify, hey, no, these other people aren't really worth it. I'm going to go ahead and stick with this one. That's okay, too. But until you have that conversation, it's okay. You can do that if you want to.

If that's what you want to do, maybe. long. It's too prolonged at this point. It's just too prolonged at this point. They should have already had that feeling. I would actually say that Sierra's probably not talking to other guys, probably not flirting with other dudes. I agree. I think she's all in on West, but not having the conversation. The whole thing is just murky, but I am

very happy that he didn't say, yeah, I've been going on dates with other girls. Yeah, I've been having sex with other girls. It's just, thank God he didn't do that. That would have, everything would have come crashing that. I would have been so sad. And then the whole group would be fractured, and my summer would be ruined. Runed. Runed. this next conversation makes me even more angry

than the ones that we've seen between Carl and Lindsey. This one fucking sucked. Kyle fucking sucked. Yeah. Flat out. Amanda starts talking about her future and what she wants to do maybe split off from Loverboy and she highlights it by saying you know, I've been supporting your dreams

for a very long time. I've been a party to trying to help grow this. We found out earlier this season. She helped fund Lover Boy to get it off the ground because Kyla put every cent that he owned into the company. And then she says, I'm still going to remain a part of the company. I'm still going to help you out. But I want to explore other options for me.

He says, I want to support you, but I need your help. I didn't love that. Nope. Didn't love that. It gets much worse, though. And she says, think about my sacrifices. Like, think about what I've done for you for this company. I put everything on hold for you and for lover boy.

And he's trying to spin it to her. like this is our thing babe it's not she's your wife and she's a good wife so she has supported you through this entire thing unconditionally now she's asking for a condition that's not even a condition this is marriage it's back and forth it's supporting one another in your endeavors and instead of being open to the idea he shuts it down like immediately he brings up the fact that she lays in bed instead of working it's like well like you want me to be okay with this but like we're $1.5 million in the whole this year alone, and maybe if you got out of bed and worth,

almost saying like it's your fault. Yeah, and that's 1,000% not her fault. No. And again, and this is something that I'd love to see because I'd love to actually look at the last couple of years since Lover Boy's been around to see what their financial performance looks like.

That's something that I can actually do. So I can go through that and look and say, oh yeah, the first six months of the year when pretty much the entire East Coast, the Midwest, are not in summer. They're not going to drink Loverboy. I'm sorry, but I don't even drink like white claws or anything in the winter because that's not something that you want to do. You go sit on the beach.

You're going to have a white claw. You're going to have a lover boy. I bet they make probably 70% of their revenue from the months of May through August, September even. That's a September. Probably, yeah. That's a summer drink. Of course, that's how that's going to work out. So, yeah, I'm sure you're $1.5 million in the hole right now, but you probably make $4.5 million during those summer months.

So you're going to go back up and you're going to be in the black again. It probably happens every year. hate that he's guiding it, saying, oh, yeah, this is just another thing, and I really need your help right now. She's not even saying, I'm going to take a step back right now. I want to immediately jump out and go do this. She's saying, this is something that I'm thinking about. Can you back me on this?

Any good husband out there would say, absolutely, let me know when I can help. Any average husband would say that. He wants her in his lover boy world forever. That's really all this is. Without her, I can't do this. You can. You can hire someone else to do it and let your wife go be happy. You're complaining about how your wife is talking about going to the suburbs and not being happy about your behavior.

Here's an opportunity for you to make your wife happy. And if she's happy, maybe you can stay out until 4 a.m. whenever the fuck you want. Because she'll be getting up for work. And yeah, maybe she'll have some issues with it. But it's something that she wants to do to get rejuvenated. She feels like she's in a rut because all she's doing is she's Kyle's wife. She's Kyle's business partner. She's Kyle's employee.

That's how people view her. That's how we view her for the most part. And we're starting to see her get excited about something that has nothing to do with Kyle. And we're starting to see a real Amanda. That's what we want to see as a viewer. So there's a lot of things that go into this. And you don't just knock her down immediately. That's fucked up.

I agree. And I wish so bad that we could have had Dev on this episode because I talked to her about this for a while. And she was very opinionated. And they're all really great points that she was making. And she was talking about the fact that, you know, like you said, this is motivation for Amanda to go pursue her own thing. And yes, we do recognize her in her current role as, you know, Kyle's wife and business partner and all that employee. But Dev pointed out, she's like, everybody loves what Amanda does, what she wears, like her vibe, all of these aesthetics that come with Amanda, that if she did her own thing, that if she did her own thing, it would be so successful and people would flock to it.

Dev went as far as to say, like, if this happens, if she does her own thing, she will be the primary breadwinner. She will make more from doing her thing than lover boy will. And I believe that. Like, she has a cult following for a good reason. She has great style, great taste, a great eye for things. Look at the lover boy designs. You can't argue that they are fucking fantastic. It's catchy advertising.

She knows what she's doing. So in this moment, when we've watched her, bend the knee to Kyle and whatever Kyle needs, whatever lover boy needs for years. And she's not, and I don't even think that this conversation was like, I'm, going to do this tomorrow i think she was genuinely testing him i think she was going how are you going to react to me telling you that i want to do my own thing it's not going to be tomorrow i'm still going to help with lover boy i know we got shit to do this summer i'm here but how are you going to react just hearing that i want to do my own thing and i what really sucks is i think that she knew the answer

she was going to get and he just confirmed it yep which is terrible like all you had to say kyle all you had to say was that's awesome how can i help because that's all she said to you for the past five fucking years. Yeah, it was fucking terrible. But they get back to the house and Jesse and West have a very, very, very, very touching moment outside. Jesse starts to lose it a little bit

and he starts crying. And he opens up. I never felt scared about any of this. I just always assumed I was going to be okay. Like I've never opened up, never been vulnerable about it, but it feels so real. And I think that, you know,

obviously I can't comment as to how he's feeling. I'll never know what that feeling's like. Yeah. for him to open up and see this genuine connection with West. Like, this is a real fucking moment. And all I can say is I hope and pray that it's good news. We haven't heard anything to the contrary. So I'm leaning towards that he got a good feedback or got good feedback from him.

Yeah, I would imagine so. I don't speculate either. I would never want to speculate, but this was, yeah, this was a genuine heartbreaking moment. Yes. Listening to the two of them talk outside. Because, again, they're good friends. And it's always nice to see good friends on shows like this, because how many times do we see all these fake friends

and all these people that just want to, like, show up and they do events together or whatever. This is genuine. This is nice. And yeah, that was a heartbreaking moment. Hopefully he's good. Hopefully he is. And we will find out, hopefully next week.

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Kyle goes up to her and you know that he's just fishing for things to be okay. Like, are we good? It's not actually that he wants to have a conversation. He just doesn't want there to be tension between the two of them. He's trying to make it okay without giving an inch, which sucks even more. And he tries to talk to her. he's like there's lots of stress about the business and I apologize for being concerned

and she goes what about yourself and that's his tipping point because she calls you out yep that's all she did yep she said a true statement of fact and that pissed you off I don't know why maybe you had to look inward for a second be like wow I am a self-centered piece of shit he storms outside he calls her a fucking bitch she says fuck you I couldn't believe that like you after shutting your wife's dreams down You then say, while walking away from her, fuck you, and walk outside and call her a fucking bitch on TV. Yep. If she wants to have a passion project, now you belittle her dreams, and look like the biggest asshole on the planet.

So anybody trying to defend Kyle, it's impossible to do so. You just showed your true colors. Like, that was so shitty to watch and just shows you how self-centered you are to walk out, throw, I was at a flip-flop. Who the fuck knows? Don't throw. Like, you have no business to be throwing anything. right now. Amanda does, and she's still not because she has a cool, calm presence about her, which we alluded to earlier. This was garbage time for Kyle. This was fucking awful. I don't care

if he's drinking. I don't care if he's fucked up from the boat. Inexcusable. All you have to say, all you have to say, if you're going to go talk to her, hey, I'm so sorry. I mishandled that terribly. Of course, I support you in your dreams. What do you want to do next? How can I help? He doubled and tripled down. And that's really all it is. He just came in. He immediately says this is all about me. He wants to not resolve the conflict.

He wants to just smooth it over. That's all he wanted. He wanted to just say, hey, we're good though, right? No, we're not. You fucking idiot. Like, how are you going to be that oblivious to you just crushed your wife's hopes and dreams? Something that she's been excited about. And when you go back and you watch this over the last three, four episodes, when Amanda started talking about this with her friends by herself,

whatever might be going on. She's actually genuinely excited and happy about it. And you can see it too because the night before, which is the first time in weeks that we've seen this, Kyle comes into bed and she's joking and having a good time. Not shut up and in bed. Not go away. You're bothering me.

She was letting him do the shadow boxing and whatever the fuck was going on. She's having fun. That's because she was excited about her hopes and dreams. Not because she's all the sudden happy with you. No. She's now very unhappy with you. So you better figure. figure it the fuck out because this is awful it is it's terrible to watch and i don't know what the

next step forward is i hope that we get a scene from next week where it's just flat out hey i i mishandled that i'm so sorry i love you but i i don't know if that's going to have it's not i mean even when she says to him on the boat people just see me as kyle's wife and kyle's business partner and your employee and all that stuff he doesn't say like oh my god no he's like yeah pretty much like he just yeah support your fucking wife bro yeah let's do some questions let's do some questions uh first up here from loresnick sure sure who's more toxic in their relationship Kyle or Carl Kyle Kyle I think Carl you do yeah I think Kyle I think Carl because he's trying to orchestrate this whole thing right now and he wants to get out of it

and he won't just say it I think he's trying to make her do it I think Kyle because they've been married for an extended period of time and you're still like gaslighting her yeah taking her side unfortunately it's a tough call yeah that's really unfortunate um here we go uh from jazine who's the worst communicator of the two carl or lindsay that's a tough one too recently carl recently carl um but the communication thing is is interesting because they don't communicate well they don't communicate well at all yeah they're incapable of voicing what they're actually thinking of yeah i'm i think still if we're going to do it over the years that we've watched them on TV, it's probably still Carl.

That's tougher for me because I'm newer to Summer House. Lindsay's not bad at communicating. She's just very blunt with it. I'll say this. Lindsay's been more consistent. Yeah. What you see is what she gets. She hasn't changed one way or the other.

She's continuing to be. Actually, I would argue recently, she's been more calm and more able to have discussion. So, interesting. From Kay Sparklic, is Carl ready for a serious relationship with anyone? I don't think so. I don't think so either. I think you could allude to sobriety even there.

I think that he needs to get his own shit figured out before it takes a big leap forward. I don't think he was ready for a relationship even before the whole sobriety thing. Now it's, it just doesn't look like he is. I think he needs to get a handle on his career and where he's going and what he wants before you bring somebody else into it because now you have to equate for their path in life. And I don't think he has room right now for anybody else but his own shit. From Angel Renee, this one's kind of worded a little clumsily. I'll get my way through it. You're fine, Angel.

Don't listen to him. Did Carl want what he was saying about hubs to get back to her so she can explode slash leave? I think, yeah, I think that is kind of alluding to what I was talking about earlier. Yeah. Yeah, I think the whole thing in the last episode and a half, two episodes has been him trying to paint a certain picture, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. And one more here from Angie Banji. I like that.

That's a fun name. Thoughts on Amanda saying men are fragile. Why are men so fragile? Oh, man. We are. We 100% are. I don't know. We take things very personally.

Yeah. We're big babies. We are. We just assume that when you say something, we don't handle criticism well. No. Yeah, that's probably the big one. I know I personally don't.

No, I don't either. So we take it so personally that it could just be a constructive criticism, and we immediately think you hate us. well said yeah that's that's really it i promise he talked to most dudes that's it if you say something like that oh they hate me sure do we're insecure big babies yep that's all i got you got i think yeah no i feel insecure don't call us out like that come on angie banji banji making me question things but uh that's all i got too uh don't forget to sign up for broth bro's members we're trying to get to that 250 sooner than later we're chomping at the bit here to do our

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