Bros & Shows - The Bambi's are in Shambies (The Traitors s03ep05 Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

What's up Bros? First things first, Go Birds. We are Super Bowl bound against the evil empire of Kansas City. But back to the show, we are here to talk some Traitors. With the death of Bob the Drag Queen, the traitors are in a bad spot. Nobody trusts anyone and Danielle thinks its time to get rid of Boston Rob, but not before getting rid of Carolyne to recruit another traitor to then get rid of Rob... its a convoluted plan at best but hey maybe it'll work? We arent confident. In fact, Danielle's demeanor throughout the episode is fairly bizarre. We find out that Robyn gets whacked, in an attempt to cause further chaos amongst the remaining contestants. It appears that the faithful are focused in on Ciara, Nikki, Boston Rob before we get to our challenge of the episode. During the mission, Danielle takes some very bizarre steps in protecting others, removing Derrick from the board and then putting Derrick back on the board? Everyone is looking at her the entire challenge, but when we get to the round table itself, she somehow skates by. Nikki and Ciara take center stage and after a vast majority vote for Nikki, she gets the boot. Upon finding out she was a faithful, the remaining faithful truly dont know who to look at. The remaining members of the Bambis are upset at voting out one of their own, especially since they were wrong. Carolyne catches wind that Danielle is floating her name around the group, and the other two late arrival's, Wes and Derrick, seem to be honing in on Boston Rob as a traitor. The game is heating up but the Traitors current gameplay is below average at best. While chaos has worked so far, will it be enough to carry them through to the end? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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first things first go birds always and forever oh wait forever this is coming out on monday though isn't it oh that's right yeah this is coming out a day after so you could be listening to this and we are either very very happy boys or very very sad boys i'll tell you what makes me happy though is traitors this is a great show i look forward to this every thursday night like clockwork it is just such a good show. You never know what's going to happen. Too many personalities in the house. Nobody knows what the hell they're doing. I'm convinced that Sandoval doesn't even know the rules of the game or he himself thinks that he's a traitor and he's trying to figure it out. That's why he's so sweaty and nervous all the time. It's not all of the coax of each person.

Shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. I got to have me my brothers and shows. and welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I am your co-host. Steele Russell joined, as always, by the one and only, the Gutinator. El Guterino. What's up, pal? For some reason, I thought there was going to be a third one there.

I don't know. It just seemed like you were on a roll. I liked it. There was, and then I was like, I don't have one ready to go, and I liked the delivery of the first two, so I'm just going to stop. I like it.

Hey, we're coming to you on a nice Saturday morning. Usually the boys like to just rest up, but we figured we'll give you some traitors action. We can sacrifice our Saturday morning. just spent like an hour plus trying to figure out my new espresso machine trying to get that perfect shot did i drink a lot of the espresso uh can i tell i tell was it did you figure it out yeah i think so okay good steaming the milk on the other hand is uh god i am not i'm not very artistic you know esteema no no that that part stuff well you know you'll get there it's a something

to i look forward to but as shooter said we're here to talk a little bit of traitors episode number five and show is amazing this is an awesome show i will say this there's too much emotion right now people are playing with way too much emotion emotions are clouding judgment they're clouding everything and that's on both sides but it's more alarming that the traders are getting so caught up in their emotional state because it's blurring the lines and there's a lot of problems here yeah certainly is it's getting really weird in there people don't know what's going on a lot of people i feel like there's such a mix of trying to look out for themselves and then also for the traitor like there's

so many games within the game within the game and then there's also friendships on the line as game section one yeah gameception is what's happening here and i'm fully convinced that nobody knows what the fuck they're doing there's like two or three people that i can point to and say all right they're playing a good game i've got caroline i've got boston brine who, you know, maybe made a little bit of a blunder last week, but he knows what he's doing. I don't know if it's a blunder or if it's just a risk that he knew he was taking. Yeah, that's fair. I guess you could throw Wes in there, but Dylan is the only faithful that I can confidently say he knows what he's doing and he's trying to figure it out.

Everybody else is all over the place, and it's making for craziness. Well, they're getting, they're getting too caught up in friendships. They are getting too, and I wonder if this is commonplace, and I'm sure it is, but, the mob mentality when somebody picks somebody out and then everyone's like yeah probably or I'm just going to go with the flow here like I said I feel like people are getting too emotionally invested in certain things like the friendships which I get but at the same time like we got a game to it if I'm in this game I am not being friends with anybody I want to win I mean I guess friendships are part of it and you don't want people to

think that you're being too distant but look I don't know there's even take there's definitely give and take. There's a lot of chaos now on the traders front, which is making for some very interesting TV. And the funny thing is because we've been watching it, because I've been like try to see reactions for people and what they're talking about, I'm on TikTok, I'm watching videos. A lot of season two has been coming up with Fager and CT. And I finally figured out what Alan was talking about. Remember when we were talking about, what does he mean that we won't know who a traitor is? Like, is he going to do it in the circle of truth? Or is, Is he going to do it?

It's at the very end, because I watched the end scene from last season. They will no longer sit there. He won't ask, are you a traitor, are you a faithful when there's only two people left? They got to figure it out, and that's who gets the money. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for that. But let's jump into this episode. Then we start out with the traders in the turret. And of course, Boston Rob is like, I'm not coming for you guys.

I would just go off with DQ Bob. And it's like, I actually believe him to a certain extent because DQ Bob put a target on his back by bringing up the newbies and the fact that one of them is more than likely a traitor. That was a risky move by Bob didn't pan out for him. I understand why Rob was moving the way that he was moving. But the response from the remaining traitors is what's alarming because I mean, Carolyn, I believe, has been playing a pretty solid game thus far.

She's definitely going with the people think that I don't know what the fuck's going on and it's working. She doesn't know what the fuck's going on though because they weren't. let her do anything in the traders meet no i think she knows what's going on but she has this weird situation where like socially socially with everybody else she's fine she's doing a great job in that aspect but the traders won't let her do anything she's done nothing so she doesn't really have she doesn't have any blood on her hands really because nothing that she's been saying is working so she's not that guilty so that's playing for the rest of the crowd but she's getting very

frustrated in these traders meetings so i think that she we keep saying she needs to assert herself and figure something else so that she can work with it. And I mean, this episode just threw a completely different wrench in there that I didn't see coming. I didn't either. And Danielle originally is just focused on Boston Rob now. And this is when the emotions start to play too much of a role. She's so upset that her confidant, DQ Bob, was whacked that she wants revenge on Boston Rob.

And it's like, that's such a dumb way to play. You already lost one traitor. There's only three of you left. you need to understand that this is a game and get back on the gameplay. They're like, all right, this is the three left. B. Rob, I understand why you got rid of DQ Bob because he threw you out or threw you under the bus maybe unintentionally, but still be targeting. Indirectly.

Yeah. Maybe he was trying to get somebody like Wes or, or Derek out. That's the only thing that I think he could have done, but it was still risky. Like, if you're doing that, and I know that we're kind of like hashing out old things from last episode, but now that I've had time to think about it, if that was your plan and you wanted somebody like Wes, who's a very good game player, like Derek, who's sitting there talking about being a detective, although he wrongfully accused Sierra of being a traitor. His detective skills aren't great thus far, I'll be honest.

You want to get one of them out, then you have to bring Robin and say, look, I'm going to put a target on the new guys' backs, but I'm going to try to guide it towards Wes, towards Derek, and not you. So we work together to do that conversation. And obviously Boston Rob is going to feel some type of way about it. at least if you talk about it up front, he's not going to feel like he's being blindsided. Like, it was too open. It was too public.

You need to have a conversation about it. And they're not doing that. That's the problem with these traders. Traders of old, they have everything figured out. They have a whole game plan. They're all in accordance. Everything's working out. These traders are every man for himself right now.

And it's way too early in the game for that. I agree with you. The one saving grace is that as of right now, it's working because there's so much chaos. but you can feel the wall starting to close in a little bit. People are starting to focus in on Boston Rob, obviously, as last week. They're starting to queue in on Danielle because she's continuing to do way too much. Right. And further, now they're looking at Carolyn because of Danielle, which we'll get to it a little bit,

which is a huge misstep, in my opinion. But again, it's all fueled by emotion right now. We need traders that are ruthless. We need more, like, you know, Boston Rob doesn't give a shit. He's not upset. Like, he didn't hurt anybody's feelings. Like, he doesn't care. I don't think Carolyn does either.

I think that she's upset because she feels betrayed by the traitors because of the whole thing with Bob the drag queen. Like, I get why she's upset. I don't think that she's pouring emotion into it. Danielle is fully fueled by revenge. And I think that's a dangerous game with only three traitors early on in the game. And I know that I think they're all aware that once another trader is either banished at the roundtable or whatever may happen if they decide to banish them on their own. you do get another person so that's kind of what's fueling this

they're like look at least it's like a zero sum game if one of us goes we can get somebody else to come in and then we can figure it out there but again I still think it's too early there's so many faithfuls left like what happens and that's the question I would oppose to you

what happens if you get all the traders out and there's like 15 faithfuls left like what would do you just split the pot or do they just keep wait no how funny would that be though if all the traders are out but Alan doesn't tell them all the traders are out and then they still have a game where they're still trying to figure out who the trader is, but they're all

faithfuls. That could be fun. That could be a lot of fun. Or maybe you just keep like, I don't know, electing new, I don't know. That's a good point. Next season of the traders, there are no traders. I'm actually picking who dies. The faithful with Ellen Cummings.

But they talk about the death discussion. Who are going to whack tonight? Sam comes up, which I thought was out of left field, which could have been a good call just because it's so random. I think that would make sense. Yeah, it's very random. Yeah. Robin is back on the chopping block, which we're going back to the housewives.

I don't fully understand that. I don't think he has friends. Yeah, poor Dolaw has no friends left. And then Gabby with the intention to break up the bambies, which I actually didn't. Yeah, that I feel like was the best move out of those three that were brought up. Right. But the overall sentiment of this turret scene is that the traders are in shambles right now. Nobody trusts anybody.

Danielle's running on emotion and Carolyn is being silenced. so it's too much distension it's working out for them now it will not play i don't think for very much longer but we get to brecky and uh dylan hardcore fanboying for boston robb he's boston robb's biggest fan i hear they are like good friends now they're golfing yeah they're golfing and shit together boston rob was on chicks in the office talking about it they went golfing like last week so that that immediately told me by the way i don't know why this is just how my brain works but that told me that boston rob and dillon are in it for a good amount of time and they be able to be friends, like they get closer.

So there's at least another couple episodes with the two of them. I don't know who's going to go out between the two of them. Probably not Dylan. But yeah, so they're friends now. They're golfing. Love to see that. Yeah, Dylan appears to be skating by pretty easily. I think most people don't think he's a trail.

No one's really brought him up at all in any conversation. No, I think his move towards Bob the drag queen was the best because he went hard at him, lost, and then took a step back and then got people. So the fact that he went after the same person twice screams faithful to me. You know what I mean? Like it's like I truly believe that you're a traitor. I'm coming after you again. And it's like a traitor wouldn't have done that.

A traitor would have just killed you overnight. And inlisting unintentionally enlisting Boston Rob to do your dirty work, which that's not how either of them see it. Boston Rob feels like he played Dylan. But in actuality, if you look at it, Dylan got B. Rob to do his dirty work for him. He just doesn't. they don't see it that. It's not the dynamic that's currently set up,

but that is what happened. And that's why Boston Rob is on the chopping block that Dylan's still kind of skating by, which I think Dylan's going to be a pretty tough opponent throughout this show if he doesn't get taken down randomly, which with the way the traders are going, I think everybody's up for grabs right now because they don't have any direction. But Carolyn's still pretty pissed that no one's taking her seriously in the trader's room, but she knows how it's playing to the faithfuls.

Like when she walks in, she's like out of breath, she looks like a mess. You know, Dylan even like says to Danielle, like, woof, like Caroline's like she's all over the place. And that's what's interesting about Dylan. He seems to pick up on things that no one else picks up on. Right. Like the fact that he sees Carolyn disheveled and he thinks traitor, everyone else sees Carolyn disheveled and thinks she has no idea what's going on. Cut to confessional. Carolyn's like, that's exactly where I want everybody.

Like this is going perfectly. We said, or at least I said from early. on i think we agreed on like she's doing a good job yeah because the way that she's doing this whole thing because she's getting kind of tampered down in the traitor discussions in the turret i think it's playing to her favor with the faithfuls because like you said there's no blood on her hands so she's really not carrying a whole lot of guilt when they're all sitting around talking about things so she's like at the end of the day i didn't want to kill that person so this isn't on me it's on yeah yeah exactly and i feel like the the route that you should be taking when you're walking in the

breakfast in the morning is you don't know who you're going to see. So I think Carolyn coming in disheveled, she looks like she could be nervous. And again, like Dylan is right on it. Anybody who's going like over the top, like we see Danielle in the first couple of episodes and we see her a little bit later because she is fueled by revenge. But in the breakfast, if somebody's over the top, it's like, all right, you need to hone in on one person when you walk into that room and be like, fuck yeah, give him a high five and say, I thought you were going to die last night.

That's all you got to do. Because then it's like, oh, well, he's really. happy to see his friend. Cool. That's great. That means that he really wasn't sure if he was going to see that person. And then it takes a little bit of stink off of you. So there's just so many different nuances to this. We've got to talk about Tom's outfit, though. He wants to be Alan. Like, that's all it is. He just wants to be Alan. My favorite thing now is the people who don't watch Bravo, like, because obviously we have a meeting of the minds here with the people that are watching the show. You've got a lot of big brother and survivor fans that don't really watch

Bravo. Then we have the Bravo side of things who are trashing Tom, making fun of him. The other side loves Tom. They think he's so funny. They think he's so goofy. That's where all of the weird theories about Tom come from, where they're like, it's like he walked into this house and nobody told him how to play the game and he's still trying to figure it out. Like he's a way more demonstrative like ion. And I miss I on because she would have been great at this point. I know. And then the other people are like, somebody told Tom that he's a traitor and he believes

them. And that's pretty much where we're going from this. And it's just so funny because they love him. They think he's like the comedic relief, which, hey, look, we feel scorned because we had to go through all of that at this point. I'm like, yeah, man, whatever. That's exactly where I'm out with it. Like, you know, if Chrisel wants to have an issue with him, by all means, like, your friend got fucked over for sure. And we're not sitting here saying we're Tom fans. By any means, the guy's a scumbag forever. We'll be a scumbag. But as far as like the Tom hate train, I'm just on to this show now. I don't, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, it's, it's whatever at this point. It's, it's funny watching him do Tom things.

and know from like the bravo world like what he's doing and then also see people's reaction like oh tom i'm like no yeah it's a different it's a different uh vantage point on tom sure of all but robin gets whacked then we go back to the turret and they're all discussing and caroline once again not in agreement i agree with caroline i think this is a stupid move yeah daniel's playing her hand too much because she says to rob she's like you're like the master of this game rob it's like He's not buying that. He knows that you're on him. He knows that you don't like him.

He knows that you don't trust him. Like, she just throughout the whole episode does too much. She's just doing way too much. But Robin's departure is a little sad because she's like, they knew I was a threat. They had to get me out of here. They were sweating. And if you go back to what they were talking about, it's like, she is so not a threat. Like, let's get rid of her because nobody suspects her at all.

She's just a whatever person. And Robbins, like, they were on to me. They knew I was on to them. So they got rid of me. I'm like, no, they didn't. I wish they would put the, have you seen any of the after, after show interviews when they tell the people, the faithfuls who get voted off by their dad and you're murdered? I saw Ion's. I saw ions.

It was funny because she was like, I would have looked that person in the face and like, you murdered me. It's like, well, you can't because you're gone. It's not how it works. But yeah, I saw Jeremy's from last week. and they gave him an envelope saying who the traders were. And he's like, shit, I was on to them. It's a good thing because he knew that Danielle was. And he was already, like, suspecting Carolyn,

didn't suspect Boston Rob for whatever reason, which I still think is crazy that you don't suspect. I think that's a survivor connection. Yeah, maybe. But, like, he's the guy who you didn't want the game in the first place and then he came back. What do you think is going to happen? Like, that's just common sense to me. But, yeah, I wish that they would put those at the end because I want to see,

and I'm going to look it up after this episode, I want to see Robin's face, which. She opens the envelope and sees who the traitors are and sees how fucking wrong she was. Because all three of them were brought to Robin by various people, including Bob the Drag Queen, all of them were brought to Robin. And she said no to all of them and was on the wrong person, every single person. Every time. Yeah. It's just incredible. I don't need to see Tom's because I already know what Tom's is going to be whenever the hell he gets voted out. I'm looking forward to that one actually. But he might cry. I think he will. I actually felt bad for Jerry or when Jeremy got whacked. His was kind of sad.

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Yeah, I don't think anyone's. But her reactions are so funny. Oh, she was my friend. Oh, no. And I really wanted her again to go over and get the portrait of Robin and then hold it dearly. No. Like, hold it to her heart. This is the best bit ever, Dolo.

or you don't even know what you're doing. Yep, but Ivar is stuck on what Wes had said in the last episode. The theory that, which doesn't seem that groundbreaking, it seems fairly straightforward, but he's like, something stuck out to me about the fact that how would somebody know that somebody else was 100% a traitor? They must be a traitor. It's like, well, yeah, dude, that makes a whole lot of sense. But we see him kind of move throughout.

He's bringing this up to a lot of people. And you get Bob H. with the Bambies and Ivor brings it up again about Boston Rob in regards to West. And he actually asks Boston Rob what he thinks. So now Iver is completely focused in on the three newcomers, which I think is a great move for the faithful to begin with is honing on these three because odds are one of them's probably a traitor coming into the game. But Iver lets it slip to Boston Rob that Wes is on him. he's like, Wes said this yesterday, and B. Rob, look, he's good at this game. He's good at these games in general. So he goes to a confession.

He's like, look, I knew what this was going to do. I figured he had contingency plans. So I'm sure that he's trying to figure out a way to move through this without getting too much suspicion. Yeah. So he just goes, Wes, can we talk? And Wes gives him like a big thumbs out. Like, yeah, let's go chit-chat, bud. Rob questions him.

He's like, did you give my name? did you give my name he's like what no west i thought would be much better at deflecting than he was i thought this was so funny it was really funny it was very funny but watching him try to weave a word salad to get out of it i was like you're not doing a very good job of making it seem like you didn't bring his name up and i'm wondering if it's more advantageous for boston rob to get west out i think that draws too much suspicion or i think he needs to figure out how to be an ally with him how to get him on his team. But I think that's going to be even tougher

because Derek is also on to Boston Rob, and him and Wes are also going to talk about it. I think more than likely what we're going to see is a Wes and Derek team up because they don't trump Boston Rob, and they're going to figure it out. But I do love, obviously, there's a sense of fear when it comes to Boston Rob.

Like, if you're going to go after him, you know that he's going to come right back after you if you don't hit. If you come at the king, you best not miss. Yeah, and like even Wes, who's a game player, even Derek, they all know that. They're all smart enough to understand that. And even the Bambis when they're talking about it. They're like, Boston Rob, I don't know.

Let's not do that. Let's not go down that road right now. But, yeah, it's very interesting to me, all the gameplay that has to do with this because, I mean, West could just come right out and be like, look. Yeah, I thought it was a little suspect, not really sure, but he doesn't want to die tonight. So, of course, he's going to deny it. You could put it back on Iver, which I thought he was going to do and say, nobody has, really. People were talking about it.

And the only person who's still talking about it is Ivor. He's going around to everybody and talking about it. So that would put a target on his back. And that's a good piece of bait to just put out there. Because if Iver dies. If Iver dies tonight, then it's like, all right, then it's obviously Boston Rob. Iver was walking around saying Boston Rob, now look who's dead. That's an easy one.

So I thought that that's the route that he was going to go. Instead, he just got scared and just denied, denied, denied, and said, no, no, we're good. We're newbies. We're in this together. You're my boy. We're cage boys. Come on. Cage boys.

page boys come on high five yeah it it drew a lot of suspicion towards west uh and i think knowing rob these past five episodes he's going to hone in on that but i also know yeah you can't get like they can't kill him you can't kill west you can't kill derrick you can't kill iver because it's going to call in too much question so i'm curious that the next kill is going to be really interesting like who they decide to take out and when they hash out in the turret like what because you see the clip from next week and Carolyn finally snaps a little bit and she's like going on.

I don't know what that was either because I don't think that was a round table. I think it was a and obviously for those of us. I thought it wasn't because they didn't have their hoods on. They were sitting at a table. No, they were sitting at a table. So that's the thing.

And for those of you listening, we're talking about the preview for next week right now, just kind of jumping a bit. But it looked like they were at a table. So I'm wondering if that was a trader's only meeting. And it's maybe. Maybe it's in the wine cell. Maybe it's in the wine cellar.

But maybe, hear me out, could be, hey, three traitors here. There's some discourse going on here. You guys are in disagreement. You got to vote one of them out and then we're going to bring somebody in. And then it comes down to, obviously, Carolyn and Danielle vote for each other after this episode. And then Rob is the tiebreaker. That would be a sacrifice a trader. Do you think they're going to be an agreement about that or is it just going to be a free-for-all?

I don't know. Maybe tonight a traitor dies and then you wake up the next day. Can you murder a traitor? I don't know. I don't think you can murder a trader. Just stick ball in here. When we do this and don't get the rules of the game right, people get really pissed. They're like, guys, are you serious?

What are you stupid? You can't rewatch a whole second season to be there to play the game. We did say, wouldn't it behoove you to maybe get rid of one of the traders, give them some blood at a round table. And people got mad about that and what happened in the next episode. So listen to us, guys. we're smart we're so smart s m r fellas smart boys this the smart bros welcome back to smart bros but caroline and b rob have a little chit chat rob's trying to get her on his team i think that he between the two remaining other traders daniel and caroline i think he recognizes that daniel's out

and he's got a better chance to reconcile with caroline she's just skeptical as shit doesn't trust anybody she's on an island right now and that's again because she's never heard no one listens to her so she feels isolated but daniel goes to talk to caroline and she's so been out of shape still about losing bob the drag queen and it's like look everybody loves bob we love bob there's not one person that watches the show that didn't enjoy him there's not one person on the cast that didn't enjoy him it's a game he got killed shit happens this turmoil amongst the traders is not advantageous to anybody but she tries to enlist Carolyn

in getting rid of Boston Rob and Carolyn's like oh I don't know blah blah blah blah but then she goes to a confessional and she's like we got to get Carolyn out of you I got to throw her under the bus so I can get to Boston Rob it's like Danielle

Danielle's trying to get rid of all of your allies to recruit one more so that you can go after Boston Rob like you're literally trying to undermine your team. Whether you agree with the moves made or not, those are your teammates and you need them to, like, you're literally talking about whittling down the traders to one and recruit a

second or sorry, I guess whittled down to two to take care of another one and then it's you plus you're lackey. So I understand partly where she's coming from, just in the idea that I will have an opportunity to be the HBIC of the turret room by doing this. By getting rid of these two, I get one person that I recruit and they are loyal to me 100%. I guess.

I think Bob the Drag Queen getting voted out last week completely snapped her psyche and the fact that she was one of the people who voted for them too. I think that kind of just put her in a really weird place. She snapped this episode. She is so off the deep end.

She doesn't know what she's doing. Everything that she did this, episode was a terrible move and that is more than you can say for anyone else it is crazy like if you're going to go after boston rob you go after boston rob you try to get people together you don't just drop it and then see what caroline says and if caroline's like i don't know that seems a little crazy for us to vote off another traitor today that would be insane and as soon as she does that she's like oh i got to get Carolyn out here she doesn't agree with me it's like what are you doing you get and everything else that she did after everything else that she did after this it's amazing

that she didn't get voted off. I can't believe she didn't even catch one vote with the round table. She didn't get anybody looking at her. No, because we get to the mission and it's the riddle and you go grab a pot and you smash it on the ground. Did you think those riddles were super easy? Because I thought they were like, how do you get any of them wrong? I thought they were fairly simple. Yes, I did get one wrong.

Which one? The face, because then I thought cards for some of the cards and it was a compass. Well, to be fair, we didn't see the. Yeah, I'm going to go. that i i could see the answers that's bullshit but i get what bob harper was trying to do but if you think about it you want to go last in this game with the opportunity to put your face up there if you want to save yourself you got the question wrong anyways it didn't matter so he gets nobody nobody talk to bob he's a loser go back and sit like yourself

it was such a good line from allan too like obviously the outfit the costume when he walked out just glorious just waiting for the walk in the other five funny thing that we have to point out for our bravo listeners when tom's talking about harry potter and he said he's going to channel his inner tom riddle do you remember yes voldemort do you remember during the reunion when ariana was going after tom and she said something about harry she said you're a de mentor you're a de mentor and he goes well what do you mean she goes i know you like to read harry potter and like rip in the heart what a callback great callback from that and i can't take credit for it. I saw it on TikTok, but so funny. That's great. That's such a random callback.

Yeah. But the whole game, 99.9% of people are trying to save themselves. Derek, he ends up shielding himself. He wins first. And then you just see people replacing with themselves. Dolo gets put up there. And people actually agreed, I think they feel bad for the housewife. So, but the first person to save Dolo was also the first person. to not choose themselves in Danielle and I was like what are you doing you're the only one that like this is such an easy one if everyone else goes back to the first mission when everybody was talking about it like a trainer will jump out and sacrifice themselves to make them look good but in reality they're not worried about tonight no she does this right away under the guise of what like

i want to make sure that derrick's okay like what she wants to make sure that dolow's okay because she takes oh yeah she does the board and derrick's oh right fuck i thought we were friends this is so random right and then i mean at that point it was a misstep but it wasn't the worst thing in the world's like all right you saved dolow whatever i guess but like she did it like i want to save the housewives because the housewives are being hunted right now and it's like that was your idea so now it's just there's too many layers to this now you're just making it really weird well here's my point if that was the only move yeah it's weird but you can get over it without people being and like, whoa.

Yeah, what's a really bad idea is to then get another one right and put Derek back up on the board. Because you felt the head? What the fuck? Like, no one's here like, oh, she's got a conscience.

Everyone's like, whoa, she's doing a lot of weird shit. She's also been moving, physically moving in a strange way. She looks guilty. She looks strange. She looks like she's about to cry.

Yeah. It's just so weird. It's bizarre. And now I'm assuming everyone's looking at her like, something's clearly up. Yeah. They don't talk about it. They talk about it.

No one talks about it. Yeah. That's it. But current time, they're not like, whoa. And they don't go after this game and say, Danielle is kind of off her rocker during that shit, right? Guys, like, nobody's focused on her all because there's, well, they're still stuck.

Like, this is the problem. I know. And this is what's frustrating. It's like, it's such an obvious move from the traitors watching. And yeah, I know we're Monday morning quarterbacking here, but at the same time,

you don't think that the whole plan with the coffins was to make you guys think that the people in the coffins must be traders or at least one of them that was two episodes ago and we're still here talking about coffins guys get over the coffins they want you to think that they put like this was the whole plan and you all are not only playing into it royally but voicing it frequently so the traders are sitting there going you're all fucking dumb this was the plan. Not one person's questioning, like, wait a minute. Maybe this is what they want, guys. Maybe this is what the whole plan was. But they get through the whole thing. I think Dolo is safe and who is, Sierra? Sierra is safe.

So those two have shields. And we head back to the castle once again. And hold on really quick, too. The funny thing about the timing of all of this is the confessionals happened right after the mission before. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Well, it has to be fresh in their head. So this isn't like, you know, a housewife show or anything else where you got confessions

like weeks down the line. This is happening day by day. They're in the same outfits. So they're coming back to the castle talking about Danielle and how weird she was. And then nobody talks about her before the roundtable? It's so weird to me. I assume the confessionals were like way, way further after because of that, the lack of, I didn't realize the outfits.

I should have paid more attention. Uh-uh. Yeah. That doesn't, that's bizarre. That makes no fucking. sense to me like nothing it seems so so very obvious especially when you get in the car on the way back and daniel once like if i'm daniel after that performance i'm zipping it i'm quiet let's get back to the castle i need to do some damage control let's let other people speculate

yeah i think she is she's like wound this web too far now she doesn't know what to do because on the way back she's talking to west and dylan and a few other people in the car and she's like it's caroline I'm pretty confident that it's Carolyn and Dylan's like I don't think so I don't agree at all and he's too focused on or everyone's too focused on Boston Rob

especially Danielle so like again her plan is to take out Carolyn to take out Boston Rob yeah that's a lot of steps it's a lot of steps for your your teammate I know that everyone's out for themselves

but it's just crazy it's a weird way to play the game but we get back to the castle and daniel continues her caroline spiel she goes to brittney brings it up and brittany is falling for caroline's stick she's like you know i just don't think she has it in her like she doesn't know pretty much says like she doesn't know what the fuck's going on as we know from confessionals caroline knows exactly what she's doing the only thing that she's struggling with is having a voice in the turret which honestly again i think your theory is playing because there's no guilt like she's just frustrated and that i think that's playing well to her favor if anything she's mad when she wakes up the next day and

people are like why the hell did we get rid of another housewife and she's like i know right isn't that fucking stupid yeah it's easy because she can be like i it's fucking crazy like no one these traitors idiots yeah these guys are so dumb but you get chrischel of boston rob and it points at nicky and even chrshell is the one that brings it up, she's like, I just noticed that when we were in the car and Boston Rob made a comment about Bob the drag queen, that he made a comment about Nikki, and Nikki made a face. Now, I didn't think that that face was suspect. I just thought that was a reaction to finding out that somebody had talked shit, even though

that didn't actually happen. I love the move by Boston Rob to tell somebody like Nikki who was in the coffin in front of other people in front of her friends, hey, Bob the Drag Queen, who was a traitor, was coming over to me saying your name. So I know you're a faithful. Leave it at that. That should have been enough. Like that's a great move by Boston Rob to try to spin it again. Like, all right, let's get off the coffin people. And then maybe they'll come back and be like, wait a minute, we're still voting off faithfuls. We didn't get back to the coffin thing. Let's look at Nikki and Sierra again. That's probably what Boston Rob wanted them to do. Instead, it just went a completely different way and

almost sealed her fate. Yeah, which is crazy because Griselle caught a face. And the face that she made again, I'm like, that's guilt to you? Yeah. I think Boston Rob more or less just like, if you're skeptical of Boston Rob, which most people are, Bob the Drag Queen was obviously a traitor because he's gone and admitted that he was a traitor. So if Boston Rob is saying that Nikki's, I don't know, I just would have, I would have

read differently, I think, but West Derek and B. Rob are back at the castle and Derek is suspicious about Rob, which is important, but Robb thinks that somebody in this whole thing thinks it's Sierra, Nicky, Rob, and Danielle seem to be the one. That's what I wrote was the suspicious ones. Now, Daniel was definitely suspicious. Yeah, nobody talked about it. Nobody talked about it. I just wrote before the round table. I'm like, all right, these are the four that seemed to be up for debate. Danielle never got mentioned. And Iver kicks it off and goes, I'm just going to say it, Nikki, Sierra, Boston, Rob. Explain to us why you are not a traitor, which seems like a fool's errand, but Boston Rob defends decent job. I don't really know what it looks like to do a good job defending yourself as a traitor. Even if you're a faithful, I think this is an impossible task. It's a popularity contest at that point. If people get enough eyes on you, it doesn't matter as we see with Nikki. But Sam points out, if Rob's not dead, I'm on him. If no one killed, Rob tonight, I'm on him. And I think that's going to put, those are the kind of comments that

are confusing to me because Sam, who hasn't done a whole lot, he's done a good job of kind of snaking through this whole thing. Granted, he almost got killed because he's too nonchalant. Correct. Yeah. You're going to start making claims like that, I think. Because if you do that out loud, I don't know, I think, if you're suspicious of Boston Rob, why would you, why would you call attention at the round table, say if he's not dead tonight, because he's an I get you can't kill Sam because if you kill Sam, it's shady. It's valid, yeah, it's really shady because that's, that protects you though. If you're right and you cause the out tonight.

Yeah, but like people tend to, maybe not these people. I would say normal people tend to remember these things, but it seems like people are just going day by day, and they're still stuck on the coffin thing, which happened two days ago. I know, I know. We got to get over the coffins. Jeremy and Tony went home because of the coffin thing. Yeah, we need to move on from the coffins. This is, you're all playing into this trap that was set up.

the traders and wasn't even that clever but sierra defends herself and you know she's still defending the coffin thing and she calls nicky out so the traders have successfully done what they wanted to do with the coffins in pitting the two remaining at each other and then those two start going back and forth so now it's going to turn into who do you think is more guilty looking sierra the faithful or nicky the faithful and unfortunately due to her stoic demeanor throughout this thing and actually played against Nikki because pretty much everyone thinks it's her. Brittany calls like a palpable split post coffin and then Chrisel speaks up and is crying. That was the end of it for Nicky.

This was tough because I don't think that Chrisel should have spoken up. Like no, I think it's a bad news. Don't do this now because you're going to, one, you're going to feel terrible if you're wrong and you decided to speak up, which she does. We get a good cry session afterwards, but if you're, speaking up like just let the vote split because it's just going to be the two of them like do not do this unless you're a thousand percent sure you can even vote for sierra yeah and not even throw your friend under the bus you didn't she doesn't have to pick a dog in this fight she could

have just sat back and let it play out yeah i agree if sierra got voted off and then she was a faithful which we know she is then chrischel could sit there and be like all right there's one person left in the coffin i had my theories about nicky and you can still talk about it we'd be upset like If this turns into the next episode and it's still, all right, we've got to get Sierra out of here too and just finish off the coffin people, and it's still not that, they're going to be lost.

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So anyway, we get to the vote. I will say it's interesting to hear Bob Harper speak up about Boston Rob at the roundtable because he pegs his game plan to the team. Perfectly. Yeah, he literally is like, wouldn't it be such a move, like a badass move, to come into the game, take out a trader to assert your dominance and take control over the traders. I was like, bang. Correct.

Yes, Bob. Maybe you just said way too much, but you're 100% right. You're a thousand percent right. But now you have a massive blinking target on your back. So stay safe, Bob Harbour. I don't want to lose Bob. He does it under the, he prefaces it by saying, I'm just playing a devil's advocate here. Just throwing this out here.

Look, I don't think, I don't think this. I don't believe this. I'm just saying. Let me compliment you. Let me give you a little indirect compliment. Let me stroke your ego real quick. Pretty fucking cool. Pretty sick.

You're pretty sick. I'm going to vote. Don't worry. I'm still voting for Nicky. I'm still voting for Nikki. I'm just throwing it out there. It's just a fun theory, but they whack Nicky and then find out obviously that they once again have missed and the traitors are just, they're having their way with this

game again. And they're playing a terrible. game. They're not doing a good job. This is poor traitorsmanship. Poor trader ship. They need to be doing better, but because it's so chaotic on both sides, it's working for now. Like I said, the less people you have available to kill or speculate about, it's going to start to turn. And you're already seeing that with the speculation that's going on. I would be pretty shocked if they don't get a traitor next episode, given what they have right now, given the performance of Danielle, just like go after each other.

at this point. Like, I think that's what we're seeing. But I think that we're, I hope what happens, I hope, because I think that Carolyn and Boston Rob are much better game players. I want to see them continue on. Danielle is way too off the cuff right now.

And I think that I would like to see Boston Robb and Carolyn come together and have a conversation and just be like, look, we're both survivor peeps. We've had our moments. You haven't listened to me. Rob, you've made all the calls, but at the same time, Danielle's gunning for both of us now. Let's team up. Let's get this shit back on track.

Let's get rid of Danielle, bring in a third trader that we can trust. We have three traders in the fold now that can move this game forward in a way that we can at least somewhat agree upon, rather than having such distension. Because if you get rid of Danielle and Boston, Rob and Carolyn can come together with the idea just knowing that Danielle wants to get rid of them both, which there's enough evidence out there now because Danielle won't shut up and she's telling everybody. And so there's speculation about E-Rob because of the newcomers. Wes and Derek are driving that. And the way when after Bob the Drag Queen.

Right. There's speculation about Carolyn because of Danielle. This is all getting back to people because we find out that obviously Dylan tells Carolyn. So I think that the best route for the traders is to get Danielle out before she keeps fucking things up, team up actually be a team, and get a third person and that's going to help and not just throw distension into the group. It's just insane to me that nobody picked up on Danielle because even when she's talking to Dylan and trying to say, look, I think Carolyn's traitor and she doubles down, triples down, quadruples down, she's got this crazy look at her

eye. It's like, what's going on? That's actually the picture I used for our questions tonight. She's got this insane look at her eye. It's like, what the hell is going on? And as you said, all the time. Yeah. And I think Carolyn made a good move, by the way, when she's talking to Dylan and Dylan's letting her know, like, hey, Danielle's gunning for you. She's suspicious of you. Carolyn's like, me, whatever.

Like, she didn't throw it back on Danielle. She didn't say, well, she's being suspicious. Like, that's crazy that she's even throwing names out there. She just left it and she's just surprised and she let it sit. I was cheering at my TV. Like, please let Carolyn, because they're all going up to bed or, you know, probably going to their hotels for the night. But they're going up to bed.

I'm cheering for Carolyn who's just sitting there eating some Cheerios to run into Boston Rob at the last second. Be like, yeah, we got to get rid of Danielle. We need to chat about this because obviously you get to the turret. You can't bring it up. You can't start talking to Danielle. Like, hey, why are you throwing my name out there? Yeah, no, I don't think that's going to happen at all. I think they're just going to sit there and just talk about who they have to murder because they're in such dysfunction at this point.

But if I'm Carolyn, and Carolyn, again, she's been playing so well, I don't think there's any, chance that she just confronts Danielle right then and there. I think that would be a bad play. That would be a bad play, yeah. And I don't know scenes from next week what we're going to see, but they're just all over the place right now. And it's so funny because to the faithfuls,

they're getting frustrated that they keep voting out faithfuls. And they're like, the traitors are running circles around us. They are playing us just how they want. You keep calling such a bad game. You guys keep calling them out. Everyone keeps calling the traitors out. Like everyone has called out a traitor, but

they don't stick to their convictions because they're stuck on the coffin thing, they're stuck on energies, like, no, you've all been on somebody at some point. You're going on facial expressions and energies. And yet, the logic that you're applying in the conversations, not at the roundtable, are sound. You're getting to the point, but then you're getting thrown off by stupid shit that the traders are trying to throw you. Everyone's falling for their shit, and they're not playing a good game. I think Dylan is playing the best game. But at the same time, he's playing a terrible game because the two people he's trusting are Carolyn and Boston Rob. So, yeah, he's finding out who traders are in Bob the Drag Queen in Danielle.

Yep. But at the same time, he's completely blind to the other two, which probably will play to his favor because Boston Rob and Carolyn see an ally without him knowing about it. Right. So that might actually save him for a while. Like Boston Rob said last week, he's like, I'm going to take Dylan all the way to the end. And then I'm going to fucking slit his throat. Yep. It's like, yeah, so I think that what we're witnessing was what Boston Rob warned about when he joined the turret and saying there's two ways to go about it. We can be united front or we can go pure chaos and he wanted to be united front and we're seeing how the chaos is playing. It's working to their advantage for now, but it's just dumb luck almost because the faithful are falling for a lot of pretty easy to see.

Which actually gives Danielle more power, too, because she's been running as false confidence is probably the best way to put it. Because all of these things are usually now obviously getting rid of Robin was Bob or was, was Boston Robb's move. But Danielle has been orchestrating a lot of this and she is excited. She's like, look, it's working for me. And that's what she's going to come to the turret with. They keep voting off the people that I'm talking about and I'm throwing this out there. It's like, well, you're throwing Carolyn out there too. You're playing a weird game within a game and you're getting way too emotional.

about it. You're so all over the place. Just going to end up putting a target on your back. So I think for the traitors to succeed in this game, Danielle's got to go because she's going to ruin everything. I think she's going to have to go. You can build with Boston Rob and Carolyn. And look, if Boston Rob gets voted out because of his reputation, fine, but it's going to be really important once Danielle is gone in my mind to figure out who you bring in.

And that's what's going to really either seal the game for you or you're going to lose it. Because if you bring somebody in who's not good at this, it's not going to work. I firmly believe that if we lose another trader, if it's Boston Rob or Carolyn, I think that the traders are going to have a hard time winning this game. I think the faithfuls are going to win for sure. Yeah. I think you need Carolyn or you need Boston Rob. Yeah. If Danielle's plan comes to fruition and she gets rid of both of them with her lackey then on the trader's board, I don't think it's going to pan out.

I think it's going to be too obvious. Yeah. Honestly, Derek or Wes, maybe. Yeah, I just don't see how that would play to our advantage. I think that we talked about the fact that every day should be a different game plan. They've been running the same playbook for too long. I know. They're going to have to change it up.

I think next episode is going to be a tough episode. Put it this way. Next episode should be a tough episode for the traders. They should not get another faithful out at the route table. I love these faithfuls aren't that good at the job. so we'll have to see they keep falling for traps man i know they're falling for the traps but uh yeah let's get some questions here uh from mgan purdom do you think the bambies recover post show yeah i think they'll be okay now bambies are in shambis i wrote that these are in shambes

bambis are in shampies uh from crystal taren anybody else still shocked that sandoval is still here no because no everybody thinks he's a faithful because he is very obvious yes yeah i think that he's actually unintentionally playing it i hate to say it he's playing a fairly solid game yeah unintended one again unintentionally but it's coming off well if you're r this is from r m e b one two four if you're rob you have to recruit west or derrick at this point right i think so i think that would be a solid addition and then unite two of the newbies because look they're going to be keen on the newcomers at some point they're going to go after one of them. So if you get Boston Rob and Wes and then you take out, let's say Derek or vice versa,

I think that would be a good move. Again, it's going to call attention back to the newcomers, but you're going to have to deal with some heat on you. Yeah. I just think that those guys seem to be good at the game plan, but at the same time, there's a lot of people out there. Like, I personally believe the best addition to the trader's room would be to get rid of Danielle and bring in Dolores. Yeah, I think that's fair. That's my favorite move because at this point, I do believe that everyone's over the housewives train. Yeah, and I think Dolos got her feet wet. She knows what she's doing now.

He's got an idea, as we saw in the church. Yep. From Nini Battiest, 91, any favorites to win this far? Let's pick one favorite. I've got, I think Dylan could win, honestly. I think that's too obvious. I agree. My head went there first.

It's called favorite, not like dark. course well you know me i always like the underdog um honestly dude i'm going carolin i'll take the i'll do the traders route i think caroline's got a shot yeah yeah i'll do the trader and i agree with you like my my head immediately went to dylan was the first thing i thought and i'm like is that too obvious yeah so yeah let's say dylan from the faithfuls and if it's a traitor i'm on caroline scene right now yeah uh from c l 1211 are you liking the traders turning on each other. Me personally, I am.

I think, I'm not like cheering for one person or one side or another. I don't really care who wins. I just want absolute chaos. And I think this is bringing it in the best way because it's really funny. I enjoy it. But at the same time, I'm nervous for what it means for the continuity of the show. I just think that they're being too sloppy. And if they, like, I don't want to see them get down to, or maybe that would be.

I don't know. That could be fun if they get down to like one trader and they got to recruit one more and then they have to build back up. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. um i don't hate it it's entertaining as shit from simply only did alan make a mistake choosing the trader since they're turning on each other now i don't think he made a mistake because

alan doesn't make a mistake i agree with that now do i agree with his trader's selection i think that there are people better suited to do the job than what we're currently watching because i don't think they're doing a good job at all yeah i think that's easy to say i mean They're doing such a poor job right now that anybody else would probably work. But, like, yeah, it's working. So it's easy to say, like we always say in hindsight, yeah, they're doing a terrible job. So anybody else could do a better job. But it's not Allen's fault.

Nothing's fault. No, nothing's Allen's fault. I agree with that. We'll do two more from Miranda and 412. Is Danielle going to give herself away? I don't know because I thought she did. I thought that she did this episode. And yet here she stands.

So who the hell knows? everything's it's chaos theory right now literally everybody's up for grabs because nobody knows what the fuck's going on yeah let's do one more see if you can find a good one yeah bravo b said the same thing why the hell did no one bring up daniel not giving herself a shield at the round table we don't know so megan how did no one bring up daniel at the round table she's being insane yeah we have no idea how she dodged that bullet yeah that's crazy ready for daniel to be found out what was daniel thinking during that challenge is daniel making the wrong decision There's just all.

All right. I like this one, unless you've got a better one. I'll read from Bruny. Do you think the game players came in with an alliance already? Probably not. No, I think they just lean towards their shows. Yeah, they lean towards their shows. And I think at the end of the day, you want to be the one that wins and you don't want it to be like a group that's still there.

Right. So, yeah, you want to be the one that wins at the end of the day. So I think you just talk to them because you know them. Maybe you start off with an alliance day one, but I don't think there's any like pre-production reaching out going on. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they chatted before the show started, but I would imagine that the whole dynamic is set up

so that you gravitate towards those you know. I wonder how that casting works though, because like we find out who the cast is probably after they started filming. So like did they know going into it who it was? Like obviously if you talk to somebody like, say you and I were on Survivor together and we were chatting it might come up like hey i'm going to be on traders and you'd be like oh my god me too let's form an alliance um i wonder what the timeline is of that i don't know if they find out i feel like they probably don't know until they're they're on their way over

i would assume that they would probably put a hush order in place where it's like now this needs to be a surprise when you see these people but at the same time i could i don't know what the timeline is of us the audience finding out right when they find out and when the show starts filming so that's hard to say yeah but yeah i would imagine like you might have just soft alliances when you get there because you like i know you i know you like let's talk for a while but as we've seen already alliances don't mean shit because you know the bambies just slaughtered one of their own yeah they just reenacted the first scene of bambi chrychelle was the hunter and shot bambi's mom okay nobody's really ever over that movie so yeah i know that's why i just brought it up chrishell

you are the hunter, and you just killed Bambi's mom. How do you feel about that? Not good because they all tried afterwards. You are the first nightmare that many of us had as children because of that. The first emotional response. Congratulations. Like I said, the Bambis are in Shambis. Well, that's how that one goes, huh?

That's your sign off? That's me getting you to sign off before starting. more Bambi talk. Well, that's how that one goes. That's the pros. That's our show. Oh, boy. And that's how that one goes.

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