Bros & Shows - The Burn Sesh (RHOPS07EP05, Winter HouseS2, RHOSLCS03EP07)

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

The Bros are settling down post Phillies playoff run but things are heating up between Ashley and Luke... Juan Dixon made the news this week as well with some unsettling allegations. Then we're back in Stowe where Craig's behavior is out of control and the strain is starting to get to Paige. Meanwhile things heat up in the house with a few of the couples. Out west, we check in with our RHOSLC cast and Heather seems to be at odds with everyone. Then we get an unnecessary bath tub seen with Seth and Meredith before we head to the finish with RHOP. Ashley and Candiace looked like they had some hope before things blow up at the end and it ends with HUGE allegations in a scene from next week.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter McGavin.

What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. I've got one bone to pick this week, which doesn't affect us now because we're recording a day after once again on Thursday. But why do they not slide Salt Lake down to 8 o'clock? I don't know. I was so excited. I thought we'd be able to record it like 9, get done like 10.30. I know.

It's like, I get it. I guess it's like, this is what I was going through. I'm like, all right, it's a West Coast show. So they want the West Coast to be involved. whatever. Beverly Hills was always at 8 o'clock and that's their highest rated show. So why wouldn't they slide it down to 8 and then Andy can get on at 9 if you want to do that and then watch Batman's Lives over at 10. He gets home early. Everybody wins in this situation. I agree. And I kind of got bummed out. I was excited to have an early evening and, you know,

it ended up being a shorter evening because we had a multitude of technical difficulties. This stupid audio box thing keeps clicking every time we try to record. So I went on YouTube for like an hour this morning, I sat there watching like I'm like 30 minute long videos on how to properly fix this or address this. So when I got home from the gym, I was like, all right, I'm going to hammer this out. I sit down, plug it in. I do a test run. It worked totally fine. Of course. That's how it always happens. Which drives me insane. But, you know, we're here. We're recording and just let everybody know that we are going through it. Yeah. To get you guys the content that you want. So we're recording in our old studio, the,

the sun room, which is, you know, it's nice to be back in here, but my neighbor decided that he was going to weed whack every inch of his lawn for the past 45 minutes, so we got delayed again. It's like the universe doesn't want us to make a podcast, but guess what? We will persevere. We will power through because we're brav bros, and that's what we do. I have a question. What kind of deodorant do you use? I use degree for men.

Okay. I switch it up only because I always forget. I don't have, like, bad body odor. which is nice, so I don't always wear deodorant, which is great. I'm glad you prefaced it like this, okay? Yeah. So when I go to buy deodorant, I never, like, have, like, a stick to it brand. I usually just grab some crappy Old Spice.

It's really hard to pick the scents. Like, they all are so convoluted. Have you read through? Oh, yeah, especially the Old Spice. Old Spice is, like, Dragon Village, whatever, and you're like, Timber Mountain, and it's got, like, essence of the timber tree and charcoal, and the tears of a baby. Well, I mean, it rivals their commercials, too. Like, their commercials are so crazy. And it's for a scent for a man. So it's like, what are we getting at? I don't really.

I just wanted to be pretty straightforward. Like, we need to talk to, like, Dr. Squatch and get, like, a sponsorship. So we get some non-chemical deodorant up in here and smell like a brav-bro. Yeah. Smell like, oh, some brav-brododorant. I usually just go for, like, a clean scent. I don't like to, like you said, it gets very convoluted. with all the scents and stuff. Plus, it really doesn't matter because I feel like you smell it when you put it on and then like two or three hours later, if you go to smell again, give it a little whiff to the pit.

It just smells clean. So who cares at the end of the day? But I was like sitting there smelling all of them. You know what it took me back to? Smelling candles at Yankee candle? Oh, no, that always gave me a headache. But Axe body spray. Oh, God.

And I went back to the, I had a flashback to this moment in middle school. And, you know, everyone was crushing Axe body spray back then. my mom was like, what the hell is that? I got in her car and she's like, oh, like you smell pretty much like a frat boy. Like, what are you wearing? And I was like, mom, I'll have you know. One of the girls in class smelled me for like a really long time today. No, I mean, that does bring you back to like locker rooms in high school.

And it just had that scent because everybody was using it. You, you know, practice or whatever. And if you don't feel like getting a shower, you just spray it everywhere. And then the whole room smells like chemicals and all the scents are all getting together but like I had like at least four or five different cans like old spice acts whatever different flavors yeah different flavors of depending on what I wanted to do and like what the hell was I thinking I have no idea I had different things like if it was Friday and we were going out after practice I would do this scent if it was a Thursday and I was going home I'd have this one or I just wouldn't

do it at all it's like what like or I would play basketball like during the day and go back to school which is so funny because like you sweat through your clothes at that point we had to wear shirts and highs and blazers and it just doesn't really make any sense when you look back and it's kind of funny but there are still people out there that use that I know I saw it in the gas station the other day that's that's where it yeah yeah there was like a whole row because I kind of got a whiff and I was like hmm what is that and then it kind of started this thought in my head and then I went to buy deodorant afterwards I was like oh I'm going to see a shooter war axe body spray um so that's where my head was at but there you go it's for truckers who uh you know they're on like 15

hour drives. Probably haven't slept in that 15 hours on different caffeine pills. And they're like, ooh, I smell a little funky. Let me get some ax. A body spray for the last five miles. I appreciate it. I mean, at least they're trying. But we got to start this episode off with a little birthday shout out, which comes with an anecdote. So I was down in Texas last week, as you know, with my daughter. And we were staying with some family friends. And me and the husband went and took the kids to gymnastics one morning. So we were just sitting there watching them. do gymnastics and some of his high school friends were there and one of the moms after like 20 minutes looks at me and goes i introduced myself in the beginning i was like hi i'm still nice to meet you

guys and she looks at my hat it's the brav bro's hat and she goes is that a bravo hat i was like yeah i actually have a bravo podcast with my buddy and she was like okay she goes when you said your name i was like there's no way this is steel like you're you're the brav bro like i love you guys It was a really, it was an awesome moment. Like, I was really kind of like, whoa, that's kind of cool. But I wanted to give her a shout out. So Casey, if you're listening, it was her birthday last week. Nikki and James wanted to wish you a happy birthday.

Nikki and James are our friends from Texas. They let me stay at their house when I'm down there. So big shout to Casey. Happy birthday. Sorry, it's a week late, but we didn't have time to record it last week. Hope you have a great birthday or had a great birthday. And with that, by the way, like shameless little plug here. But if you guys want a birthday shout out, we are actually on Canada.

Now. So head to cameo. We will give you a birthday shout out, a happy anniversary. If you want us to break up with your significant other, we'll do that too. Or if you want to convince your significant other to watch Bravo, if you want a brav bro in your life and he's being stubborn, bring us into the fold. Yeah, we'll put into the terms that only he can really understand and we'll bring him into the fold. Exactly. Yeah, we'll convince him. With that, it's time for what's quickly becoming my favorite segment is Rosenthorne. So I have a couple of good ones this week. But why don't you start us off with your rose and thorn? All right.

So I'm going to start off with a thorn per usual. Get the bad news out of the way first. This is something that went completely under the radar. A couple weeks ago, everybody knows. I went on a Doreet rant talking about her and how I just don't like her and she does nothing for the show. I missed this comment and it was really funny, but mean. And this person said, and we don't mention the thorns. We'll mention the roses.

Make sure you get your good comments out there. The Thorne said, Doreet is an icon. She's better than any mustache you could ever grow. I didn't see that. I know. I didn't see it either. And I was just like scrolling through Twitter.

I'm like, I don't really understand how I missed it because I genuinely look for these things. And we do this every week where we look for like the bad comments. Usually try to get on the air aside of funny. But seeing this one a couple weeks later really got me. Thought it was really funny. So throwing that one out there. Did it make you look at yourself with a mirror like question your mustache?

That's the thing is, like, I don't, we've had mustaches since, and our, you know, listeners from months ago will understand this. When Top Gun came out, Steele thought that he looked like rooster, so we did mustache. Still got a lot of support that he looked like rooster, by the way. Steele thought that he looked like rooster. So, you know, I, in solidarity, did the mustache thing, and I kept it because you know what? I like it. I like to have it. And I went through a whole thing where I saw like 22-year-old kids having them.

And then I get lumped into that, like, oh, you're a little older. You think you're trying to be young with the mustache? No, I just like the mustache. I think that you can, you actually pull off the mustache well. I don't think I did. I didn't feel comfortable in it. I thought it looked kind of funny. You're a good mustache guy.

Thank you. Appreciate that. So moving on to my rose. And all right, so this one came to us from TikTok. It's from M sleeve underscore 88. Shout in them out, as we always do for the roses. It said, this is why men watch Bravo. This is a whole angle I've never even considered.

This was about the Michael Darby thing where we said, maybe he's behind spreading the news about their separation to try to separate himself more from Ashley. This is what you're going to get with us. This is why we do this. We're going to give you different perspectives. And as we talked about last week, we're going to change our opinions because we are presented with new information every week. That's the whole point of watching the show. So we are out here giving you the male perspective. And that's what we want to do. And we do it pretty well. I like that. Yeah. I like to think that we give, you know, at least honest insight. We're going to be honest. And sometimes we fuck it up. And then we'll tell you that we fucked it up.

Absolutely. We stand by that. Like in the moment, we'll tell you how we feel. If we get proven wrong, we will come on next week and say, yeah, we were wrong. They're right. Let's move on. Yep. But those are good, good rose and thorn. Thank you. What are you got for us? There we go. So I always like to start with the rose and then finish with the thorn, as you know. So my rose comes from Tatiana Ward on Twitter. Something about two seemingly heterosexual males chatting about Real Housewives of Potomac in the middle of my city, quote-unquote, Philly, just really makes my heart sing. The Housewives are for everybody.

I totally agree. It goes in tune with what you just said about your Rosenthorne. So thank you for recognizing that we are just trying to break down the walls of Bravo, let everybody in here so we can all enjoy some really good reality TV. And that goes to my Thorn, which is kind of like a backhanded compliment. I love backhanded compliment comments. Like, they're probably my favorite because it just, it takes a lot of effort to type out a compliment and then finish it with another sentence that shits on you. So this one was really funny to me.

This was actually on Reddit. I didn't know we were on Reddit, but apparently we were on Reddit. So this person, we're not naming names, says solid takes. But we need to girl boss, gaslight, and gate keep these guys out of here. This is for the girlies and the gays. How are you going to compliment our takes and then instantly say, get the fuck out of here? Again, all of these comments kind of line up. I'm glad that we have similar Rose and Thorns this week,

just because this is what we're fighting against. Like, we just wanted to be for everyone. It's not that much to ask. It's fucking Bravo TV. You shouldn't tell anybody what to watch on television. That's a stupid concept. If you enjoy something on TV, I don't care if it's fucking cartoons. If you like cartoons, go watch cartoons.

If someone tells you they're stupid, they're fucking stupid. I love cartoons. Cases and point. Anime, too. Anime is for adults. But anyway, that's a lot. That's why I tried to do on Twitter, I tried to get hashtag housewives for everybody trending just because you are straight, gay, a girl, a guy, whatever. If you like something, just watch it.

If you want to talk about it, you talk about it. We'll talk about it with you. Yeah, we'll talk about it. If someone's not talking to you about something that you enjoy watching on TV, holler at us. We'll fucking watch it and we'll talk to you about it. Look, I mean, maybe if Elon gets in the business of putting entertainment out there and he wants to do applications to watch certain shows, we'll talk. about it at that point. But for now, it's for everyone. So we're going to enjoy it. That takes us to the Bravo news this week. We got some bombs to drop or that were dropped

on us that we need to discuss. I want to talk first. And I think you're going to be the foremost expert on here. You have a much better memory when it comes to sports and names and things like that. So in the news, it came out that Juan Dixon is now named in a lawsuit. against Coppin State, where his assistant coach allegedly catfished one of the players on their team. Now, this assistant coach, I guess, has a checkered past with some sketchy stuff going on. Again, you probably know more about it. So let's dive into the Juan Dixon drama. Yeah, and essentially what happened is there's really no other way to put this. Juan Dixon is in a very similar situation that Joe Paterno was in. He's the head coach.

He's the head of basketball operations for Coppin State. And one of his, one of his assistant coaches was apparently catfishing blackmailing and getting, you know, nude photos or sexual content from one of the players while posing as, you know, a different person, which, yeah, obviously it's not at the same level as what Penn State went through a couple years ago. But still, what happened is this was all brought to, allegedly, this was all brought to Juan's plate and shown and said, hey, your assistant coach is doing some shit out there. that is not good.

It's putting the players in danger. This is, you know, this is all the evidence that we have. And one, while he didn't actively sweep it under the rug, it looks like. It's not like he, you know, tried to hide anything or did anything. He just took it under consideration. And nothing really happened. So it's a really, really, really bad look for him. And I don't really know where it's going to go from here in the current climate with everything going on.

I can't imagine that he's going to be able to stay as the head of basketball there. Absolutely no way that you can justify keeping them, whether it's the current climate or not. I mean, I'm glad that the climate is the way it is for reasons like this just because it brings to light the fact that, you know, if your players cannot feel comfortable and safe, an environment that is made to be a safe place for these athletes, especially at school. Like, you know, as a former college athlete, we don't join frats really at a certain, like once you get to a certain level, you just don't have time for that kind of stuff. So your fraternity becomes your team. It becomes your safe haven. So if you lose that sense of safety and the guy that you look up to, like my coaches were there to take care of me.

Like when I had an issue, I went to my coaching staff. That's what we all did. So if you feel like you can no longer do that, then yeah, honestly, you need to be removed from your position. Like, there's no other way around it. Like, you fuck this up. Unfortunately, you were presented with a scenario. You didn't do anything about it.

And pretty much, like, you're lying by omission. Just by not addressing it, you're actually creating a worse. environment because that to me says that you're backing up your coach. You're not worried about your player's safety because you allowed this to kind of continue. And I think that the assistant coach claims that it was a third party. So we're getting some kind of weird where he was talking. I think he was relaying information to one person. That person was talking to the player. The player sent him the video. Then he reported back to the, I don't know the ins and outs of it yet. I think obviously more will come to light as this investigation continues. But really shitty situation.

Yeah, really not a good look. And, I mean, as the head coach and the head of basketball operations, you're the one who's hiring these coaches. You're the one who's overseeing all of their actions. And let's be entirely frank on this. It's not a D1 school. There's not a ton of money coming into this. You don't really have to think about like your program and the standing of which it is in the university and how much money it brings in the university. It's what?

Coppensates D2, D3. I think they're D2. Probably D2. so it really shouldn't it should just be a no-brainer like if there's something like this happens in any any college university any pro team whatever something like this happens you you just remove the person immediately it doesn't matter like if there's enough evidence that somebody brought to you it's not like there's rumors out there that maybe he's involved and you're like all right i'll look into it and see what happens this is legit like there was evidence that was brought

to you that should just be the end of it it's an assistant fucking coach i know get rid of and that's the thing like you put you put your profession and your career on the line for this guy now maybe you feel like you owe something to him at the same time like you owe something to your team to that player you need to make sure that they know that you have their backs they're not going to get preyed upon by some creepy fucking coach absolutely couldn't put it better myself up next this has been making the rounds in all bravo accounts everyone's talking about everyone's posting about it we have a collab relationship going on between two very interesting people and I I actually, I have thoughts on this.

I feel a certain way. I want to get your thoughts first. Ashley from Potomac and Luke from summer slash winter house, they seem to be an item. Like, they seem to be a legit item. What's your knee-jerk reaction? How do you feel about this pairing? Surprisingly not bad about it. Honestly, I did, I mean, there are two people that I don't really care about Ashley a whole lot.

You know, she's going through a lot of shit with Michael, but you kind of see the way that she stands with him. and we talked about it at length last week. And then we had our issues with Luke as well, with Winterhouse and, you know, kind of where he is. It seems like they genuinely like each other. I mean, Luke was on Watch What Happens Live last week talking about his quote-unquote relationship with her. And, you know, like I just told somebody that, you know, I thought that she was attractive. She's pretty cool. So they started doing the things at BravoCon where they would have a panel up there with kind of like a mixed amount of shows up there at one time.

And he positioned himself so that he would sit near her. And it's just like, it's a nice thing to see. And then we get to see kind of Ashley hanging out with the whole summer house crew. So she was, first she went to a Capitals game with Luke. And it looks like it was just the two of them that went there. And then the next day they went to a commander's game with Carl and Lindsay. And there were a couple other people in the suite, but it was Carl and Lindsay that were there. And Ashley, being Ashley, had them all doing TikTok dances, which is kind of funny because you see Carl in the background.

Like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, oh, no, did you see Luke? Oh, Luke was getting after it. No, Luke cannot dance. He was still trying to get after. He was, but my man's got no rhythm. No. I mean, the best thing that could come from this is just a nice relationship.

Luke is fine. I don't really need to see him on other shows. You know, he's not like that captivating of a character or of a person. So he's not going to bring a whole lot to a storyline on like Potomac. But it's just nice to see. You know, they're having a good time. I like it. And it's like worlds colliding between shows, which is what we always treat.

We love that. We do like that. I mean, that being said, the commanders suck. Fuck the commanders. They do support commanders. Yeah. Just, you know, we don't care about that. You know, if they want a real show, they can come to Philly on Monday night.

Oh, my gosh. Should we invite them to an Eagles game? I'll pay for those tickets. Sure. That would be great. That would be great. Get that out there. Start tagging them and saying that we're going to pay for their Eagles ticket.

We want to go, me and Shooter want to double date with Ashley and Luke. Yeah, we'll throw that into our list of our bucket list of Bravo things right next to the golf outing that we're going to have. Yeah, I look forward to that. My thoughts on this. this makes complete sense to me because you got Luke who goes head over heels madly in love at like the first sign of any kind of affection. That's what we've seen from him. It seems to be his M.O.

He gets like really into relationships really fast. Ashley is ride or die for a man that is pretty much openly cheating on her for the extent of their marriage. She's able to look the other way. When you get two people like this, I feel like they're just going to love bomb the shit out of each other and they're both going to fucking love it. I think they're going to feed off of that energy. I see this one going for a while.

Do I think it's going to go the whole way? I don't know. I don't think this is marriage material. As far as this being like a very loving, successful relationship, it does make sense to me. And look, for both of their sake, especially after this week watching Jess on Winterhouse and it's kind of changed my opinion of just everything that's gone on in the Winterhouse. Like I have more sympathy for Luke now with Ashley. look, do I agree with how she handles situations? No, no, it's really frustrating to watch

her defend Michael. But at the same time, she is in a position where she feels the need to. So clearly she's going through something where she's trying to handle it the best she can. So if these two can get some kind of happiness, you know, we've seen Luke season after season after season have unsuccessful relationship after unsuccessful relationship. Like no matter what this man does, it never seems to work out for him, right? if this is their comeuppance and they can be happy for an extended period of time, both of them, because like you said, they're both kind of meh, they're both on the back burner a little bit.

I mean, Ashley's taking center stage this year as a disaster on Potomac by trying to stir the pot unnecessarily. But if they can just like cheer each other up for a little while, I'm fucking here for it. Whatever. Like I like it. And like you said, the colliding of the worlds is one of my favorite things. I love when you get, because it kind of brings the sports aspect into it a little bit

where now I'm like, oh, people are getting traded. people are moving like so i i like it i like it a lot actually which is the perfect segue into our winter house portion and what are your thoughts on winter house i mean i'm thoroughly enjoying it i think it's kind of all over the place but in a good way it's kind of like mindless tv which is arguably why i started watching bravo to begin with yeah that's a good way to put it um now and there's two ways to kind of look at this like the way that you just said where it's like it's mindless there's not a lot of emotion. There's not a lot of drama that really like pulls you in or gets you pissed off or makes you feel for a character, whatever. I keep saying characters as if this isn't

real and I got to stop doing that probably. They are characters. Yeah, they are characters. Fine. Believe it that. When they break the fourth wall, it shows you that they recognize that they do play an exaggerated version of themselves on television. Yeah, that's a good point. But there's that way to look at it. And then there's the other way to look at it, which is as a podcaster, it doesn't give you a whole lot to talk about. There's not a lot of substance there. Yeah, we're adding Tom and Tom in, which is great. They were great. They were so good. Yeah, they added a new element, which is kind of fun, but it's more of the same, and I've said it before, it's sort of just like an extension of Summer House. And we get to see that, and it looks like we're going to see a little

bit more of it next week. But you have Jess and Rachel talking in the room about how, you know, the guys are all like nice and friendly and they're easy to break into. The girls are so guarded. And it's, I mean, they're not mean, mean, I don't like the term mean girls for them. I mean, for Beverly Hills, yes, they are mean girls. But for like Paige and Amanda sitting there, like, they're not mean girls. They're just really close and they talk all the time. So another girl coming into that, like, yeah, just be pleasant and whatever.

But you're not, you can't expect to be best friends with everybody going into it. So you get a little bit of that. And we got a lot of that in Summer House with Sierra breaking into it last year or the year before. And it just seems like more of the same. but it is essentially just a long party. I will comment, however, those games were very poorly organized. They were not well done, no. No.

And I feel like there's so much more you can do. You can just play normal drinking games outside. You don't have to, like, incorporate the snow into it. No, no, see, I disagree. I like the effort going into like, hey, let's make the most of the environment out here. I like the sledding part. Now, you need to make two clear tracks. Like, everyone's getting stuck halfway down the hill and running the rest of the way.

Oh, we're getting into the specifics of this. Yeah, yeah. To the point where Paige almost lost all of her front teeth and took it like a fucking champ, hops up, flips the cup, runs back up. Good for you. Not like your bitch boyfriend, Craig. But, oh, I said it. I've got a lot of thoughts on Craig this week. We'll get to him.

But I like the whole dynamic out there. I thought that that was a fun way to set it up. Very poorly organized. And, I mean, maybe, yeah, like highlight where the rocks are. But at the same time, there's like 10 inches of snow. You can't highlight the fucking rocks. Like, Craig, get the fuck over it. But I want to talk real quick before we kind of move on from.

just with the whole mean girls thing, and when it goes to Jess's confessional, the way that she talks about it, she's like, I'm just very intimidating because I'm so pretty, and I'm just this, and I'm just that. It's like such a weird way to approach it. Like, you want these girls to accept. Do you want these girls to like? You just want to fit into the house. Don't walk around like your shit doesn't stink and that you are prettier than them, that you're

cooler than them, that you get along with the bullies better than them. Like, stuff like that just rubs multiple people the wrong way. And if you're trying to get tight with Amanda and Page, you can't act like you would have the ability to steal Craig if you wanted to. Like, that was such a weird thing to say. That was a weird thing to say. I also do think that this is the weird element that we get with Winterhouse specifically is we get randoms put in there. And usually, like if it's a guy like Andre last year, yeah, he hooked up with the page. But he also got along with all the guys.

And it seemed like all the girls really loved him because, one, he's very attractive. Two, he's a gentleman for the most part. I mean, obviously, behind the scenes, he might be moving around like Corey does. But as a girl, and I feel more for Rachel because Rachel was like, she was the florist at Amanda and Kyle's wedding. And they invited her up. And she's like, yeah, this could be a cool opportunity for me, get me out of my comfort zone. And she's out of her comfort zone. And she brings it up in a normal way where she's like, she's like, I, you know, I'm not that close to them.

Like, yeah, all the guys are very easy to talk to, but I'm not really that close to the girls. And I don't really know how to break into it. And then you get Jess on the other side. and I will never like could you imagine go into a group of guys and I know guys are different but could you imagine going into a group of guys and being like I you know I feel like they're intimidated by me because I'm so good looking no because I work out all the time and like they don't like I don't really get that aspect and I know there's a different level of it when you're a girl and you think about those things and we won't understand that part of it but I feel like at all times if you're just nice and genuine and like if you're not a dick and you're funny and you like crack a few. jokes like people will warm up to you this is a normal situation you knew what you were getting into by going on this show like yeah maybe you thought all right yeah i'll get paid a little bit extra like that'll be fun it'll be like a good comeuppance for me in this situation but you got to know the relationships going into it that these girls are close they have shows together they hang out

all the time you were just a friend of that got invited up when you just stick to your friend of and then you can be in different factions you don't all have to be hunky dory no together hey Do it like Olivia did on Southern Charm. Yeah. She kind of took her time. She got to know people. And by the end of it, like she was part of the crew. Like I liked Olivia.

She had a good season. I think, again, it is a little tougher because it is two straight weeks. I agree. I agree. You're tired. You're burning the candle at both ends. You're doing shit during the day. And then you're drinking until two, three o'clock in the morning.

Then you're back at it again. Like, it will get exhausting. And we're, I don't know. What is this the third, fourth episode? Sure. Yeah. So we're, let's say we're like eight days into this. And yeah, Tom and Tom and Tom just showed up.

but they're already friends with people, so they'll be fine. And they're so likable. They are. They're just like, and like Sandoval in Vanderpump is not as likable a lot of the time. He does a lot of things that piss a lot of people off. But Schwartz is always this like gentle dude that just kind of like does his own thing. And he puts his foot in his mouth, but he's so sweet that it's hard to stay mad at him. It's like they're a good dynamic.

But, you know, the biggest thing for me and like we don't speak on it because it's not our place, but like objectively speaking, objectively speaking, page and Amanda are gorgeous. So for you to sit there and be like, well, I'm pretty than everybody. It's just like a weird thing to say. It is. It's just a weird thing. And going back to just kind of the whole of the show, I really am just viewing this as like, sort of like an intermission act where it's between the mainstays. So, you know, we're done with Summer House. We won't get that until, I don't know, January.

I never know when these shows are coming on. And then Vanderpomps coming on. So we get to kind of see a little bit of the behind the scenes where we didn't have access to that before, aside from like the tabloids. Right. So we're getting a little bit more where instead of waiting until Vanderpump starts, we get to know where Schwartz is with Katie. Instead of waiting until Summerhouse starts,

we get to eventually see Lindsay and Carl together and how that's going. And Paige and Craig with Southern Charm, like we got a little bit of that in Southern Charm. But now we're seeing a different element of that where Paige is like, I don't know if I really even like Craig that much. I don't know if anybody could like Craig and the state he's in. He has changed a lot too because he's always been, Austin has always been the overbearing dick.

where he's just, he's such an asshole that Craig looks nice in that situation, which I think is honestly why Paige and Craig hit it off so well because Paige hated Austin and Craig would oppose Austin even though he's his best friend, makes him look a little bit better. But now Austin is kind of taking a step back even though he keeps fucking talking about the Sierra thing. I'm so dumb with the Sierra Austin thing. Move on. We're done with it. It's so stupid. It's so ridiculous. I like it. Fuck you. I like it. It doesn't make any sense.

It's so, like, it was a thing that happened last summer. We were tired of it during Summer House. It spilled into Southern Charm. We're tired of it then. And now the only kind of funny thing that comes from it is Austin talking like he's in a relationship with Olivia, which maybe they were at this point in time in February, but they're not anymore. So I don't know.

I just don't need the, I think honestly Sierra's done with it too. But it looks like next week, she still has feelings about it. It's fucking annoying. The vibe I'm getting from her this whole time, like she, and she even says it in this episode. Like, I still have a lot of feelings. Like, she's not over it. She really likes Austin. And look, third party, they make sense to me.

I think that they would work out. That's why, like, this newfound Austin that we're kind of seeing where he's like, he talks about his behavior in the summer house. He talks about some of the stuff that he didn't like about himself. Like, he's actively trying to change. Like, good for you. I do not like, I don't like this and people have done it a lot on these shows the last like two years and like the long or the duration that we've been doing this. I don't like when people use therapy and arguments. Don't tell people they need to go to therapy.

That's like not the time and place to do it. Like it rubs me the wrong way. She's like, you just need to like go to therapy. Like that's a big thing to say when this man just apologized and he seems to be trying to like show you in certain ways that he has gotten better. At the same time, he is being very flirty. So, like, it is kind of mixed. But don't be like, you need therapy, bud. Like, that's just, it's too strong.

Yeah. I don't like when people do that. I do think that, like, look, I think therapy is great. I think it's great that people are openly talking about therapy. I mean, we saw it with Luke and we can kind of, I mean, this is what we're going to do. And we watch these shows, we can kind of analyze situations. We can see Luke actually using the things that he learned in therapy to address himself. That's awesome.

That's great. but then there's also the bad side about talking about therapy and that's people using it in arguments like you said because they're like oh well everybody's open about talking about therapy now now i can tell someone to go to therapy and it won't be a bad thing no that's still pretty bad it's strong to say that to it you're implying that you are more capable mentally than this person that's what it does for me and i'm like that's not a cool thing to say to anybody no but i will say i'm loving loving the bromance between Kyle and Schwartz. I think it's so genuine and I think that it's coming from a place where Kyle really understands and the difference is Kyle learned some of his shortcomings and became better. And like that, a lot of that I think is because they finally got married. And it's also because Amanda's fucking ride or die. Like she did not bounce and there was a lot of moments she could have.

There was the cheating scandal. There was the behavior at the summer house. Like there's a lot of time she could have thrown in the towel and did not. Katie, on the other hand, and I'm not saying that she's wrong for this, but she was, you know, she got fed up. And for all intents and purposes, what we see from Schwartz and how he's talking, like, it was rightfully so. He says, you know, I wasn't present.

I wasn't there. I wasn't doing my part. I was mediocre. That's the word. And he says that. Like, I was mediocre. And Kyle is a shoulder to cry on because he understands, like, being stuck in your own little world in this stress bubble.

He got so much going on. Schwartz has the bar. He's got problems at home. He's got tough, like filming the show for Van. underpump. Like, there's a lot of things happening here where it becomes overwhelming. And Kyle is one of the best people to speak on that, I think. So, like, there's some moments that we get in these shows and they're few and far between, but they are purely genuine, real moments where you see two people actually connect on an, like, on an issue. Well, we saw it with Amanda and Page, too,

on the ski slope, where everything that, or everything that Page was saying about Craig that she didn't like. And look, like, maybe she was turning a blind eye to some of it because it was, was a new relationship. Like, you're in that honeymoon phase where you're like, no, I remember all of the things that I really do love about Greg. Well, they never lived together. They've never lived together. And this is, I mean, again, we're not sure, but we think it's like day seven, day eight.

They've been together for seven, eight days. And they both said, this is the longest we've ever been together. Yeah. I don't know how long they've been dating, but it's a little surprising that they haven't been together for like a week. More than a week, right? And like, that's, it's funny because like, Dev will still say to me because like, at my row home when I lived on New Street, like every time she came over, my house was spotless.

Yeah. Like, yeah, no shit. I'm trying to impress you. You're going to come over. My house is going to be clean as a whistle. And now she's like, well, I just don't get it. Like, you leave your socks everywhere, this and that. Like, why don't you clean up the house?

I'm like, ah, you know, like, of course I still need to like clean up after. I'm not a dirty person. But, like, of course they need to clean up and like do things around the house. But there are little things that you do in your own home after an extent of time. Like, if it's a long weekend, you're going to leave some shit around. Like, it just happens. Exactly. So, like, it just kind of, you know, you kind of see that.

Page knew this going into it. The first day when Craig did that weird move where you put all of their clothing all over the room to claim their spot. That was bizarre. It doesn't make any sense. But, I mean, at the time, I guess I understood it because you knew the Kyle was going to walk in and be like, we want the biggest room. Do Paige? Do Paige and Craig deserve the biggest room? I don't know.

Not after that behavior. Certainly not. If you're claiming your spot via pissing all over it with your clothes, like, you know, you don't deserve that room. That's childish. And this is where we're going to tie a bow on this segment with some Craig talk because we got a lot of questions and comments over the past week where it's like, what are you guys going to say about Craig?

Like that's your boy. Like that's your favorite. He's not. He was our favorite because it was nice to see Paige and Craig to people who, I mean, Paige has always just kind of like been behind the scenes like talking shit in people's ears trying to get whatever she wanted out of things. Craig has been seemingly fine. Like, yeah, we do see some bad issues with him and they own.

me in the past and some issues with him in Austin. But the two of them together, at least towards the end of Summer House and then Southern Charm and then on social media, it looked nice. But like I was saying, the first day, Paige brought up the fact that he's a hoarder. So that means that she already knows of his shortcoming. She already knows of the things that irritate her. She just hasn't had to address them because they haven't been together for longer than three or four days in a row. So now you have to and you have to learn these things. And it looks like, again, I haven't seen any updates on her social media, so maybe they are broken up or whatever.

No, no, no, there's been pictures of them together since then. Okay. All right. Well, who knows? He's, I want you to talk about Craig because I know you've got strong feelings about it. I do. I mean, I hate watching it because you see him just like take over and he gets wasted and just starts yelling at people and he says inappropriate things.

And it's like, dude, this was Austin's behavior last summer. It was Kyle's behavior to. Yeah. crazily, only because Paige was bitching about it probably, so you wanted to be on her good side, but you're doing the same thing. Corey said it the first day, he said, well, we're going to have relationship, Craig. So he's not going to be his usual self. It looks like he's his usual self. So, yeah, I want to dip into what you have because I know you've got some strong feelings about. Yeah, it's just like, look, I was an advocate for Craig for a while because I felt for him

trying to pursue a passion and getting shit on for it. Like that part, like hit home for me. I appreciated everything that he was doing. I appreciated, like, turning a blind eye to the haters and just kind of like doing your thing and moving forward. That being said, that is not an excuse for this childish behavior that we're constantly seeing out of him. Like, dude, if we were at a weekend trip and you were fucking cracking pepper onto the floor in the kitchen, like you're grinding.

What is that? Grow the fuck up. And then you're out there. You're playing games, right? Nothing in the world makes me angrier than when this kind of shit happens. it's a fucking game dude your girl just took a digger right into a table and almost broke her face hopped up finished the fucking game you hit your knee on a goddamn rock and you lose your mind and ruin everybody's fun i hate when people overreact when people have those moments in a group setting and they're

screaming at the top of their lungs and you know it's not that bad you know it was something that okay that probably sucked for a second like you smacked your knee on a rock but don't be like it's cold everyone's hurt and then everyone goes i'm actually pretty warm and then everyone just garred oh we win, we win, day over. If you're the guy that ruins everybody's fun, and then they go in the house, everyone's cleaning up the house. I don't give a fuck if you're Bill fucking Gates. I don't care who you are, how much money you have. Get the fuck up and clean the house that you made a mess up. It's about pride. It's about owning your space. It's not about the fact that you're successful now so you can pay people to do it. I don't like those kinds of people. I don't like Craig right now.

So for all those people out there, like, oh, that's your boy, that's your boy. Not when he's performing like this, it's horseshit. And if I have to hear him say Savvy B again, I will forever be out. I will forever be done and I will never come back on his team because the stuff he's doing right now is irreversible. He is putting a strain on page with everyone in the house. This is Paige's comfort zone. These are more her friends than his friends. But you got Kyle, you got Amanda, you got Luke. Like Craig is coming into this and trying to be friendly with these people and he's doing the actual worst job that he can. And I can't imagine watching this back after it's all airing and him sitting there standing by what he's doing. And in this day and age, in this time that

we live in, in 2022, people are much more capable of expressing their feelings, standing by their feelings, being more sympathetic to people's feelings. I can appreciate a lot of that. I think that's a great step forward. However, when it gets over exaggerated, when it gets used as a crutch, when it gets used to defend yourself in an argument where you are wrong. When Sierra asked what's the salad, what's in the salad, don't get a fucking attitude about it because you did, I didn't make it. I'm just expressing my feelings. Fuck your feelings.

In that moment, fuck you and your feelings because that's horseshit. You can't sit there and then use your feelings as a defense because like Paige says later, everyone has feelings and you're being very disrespectful to Sierra's. So sit there, answer the question, shut the fuck up, drink your savvy beat. You know who he looks like? And in that moment, who I thought it was, Shep. Oh, very Shep-like. There you go.

Now you got me calling Craig Shep. Yep. Look, we'll call it like we see it. So to all the people. I can see, I can see Shep sitting there saying Savvy B. I can see him not clean up. No, I'm not going to clean. No, I mean, the other part of this is, and look, I mean, Paige isn't clean in this situation.

She sits around the whole time while they're cleaning up as well. All the girls are out there throwing shit away and talking about like, we need to hire a cleaner or whatever. She's just sitting back. And she did this last year. She does it in the summer house. Oh, she does. She does not.

She habitually does not clean up after their parties. It just never happens. She just goes on about her day. So part of it is her. Part of it is him. He's way more at fault because he's very outspoken and he gets on people's nerves all the time. Yeah,

he's putting a strain on Paige's relationship with everybody else. But I think that her having that discussion with Amanda, at least kind of alleviates a little bit on Amanda's side. I don't think that she was feeling anything. but it's just a tough look and especially look this is a great example of us pivoting and changing our opinion based off of what we see we talked all summer and early fall about how we love them as a couple now we're watching them as a couple

and we don't really like it I like page too page is fine I have no issues really with page over all I feel bad for page I do too she's trying and she just has to remove herself from the situation because it's so fucking awkward yeah and she if she's outspoken towards Craig in the middle of it, then everybody's going to be like, oh, that relationship's not going well. So she stands by him. But she's also like not really bringing it up in a good way to him.

She's not really calling him out on his bullshit behind closed doors. And you're like locked in the same place, the same people. It's a really difficult spot. You don't want to get into a fight with your significant other doing that because that could be really messy. But it is, it's just tough to watch. And again, it's, there's not a lot here. It's a good segue into the other show. shows, and I'm excited for the other shows.

And again, I'm excited to get the bits and pieces that we get from the different cast members of different shows pretty much during their off season. It's fun to watch, and we can move on to a little bit more serious stuff with the housewives, you know? I guess we can kiss going on Craig's podcast goodbye. Yeah, probably. Oh, I mean, hey, if he wants to have us on, I mean, we'll really give it to him. We're not going to.

I'll have a conversation with him about it. I'm not going to come in guns blazing. I just need to understand the behavior. He was on Watch What Happens Live recently, where he addresses it a little bit. And he says, like, I think watching it back showed that he did not enjoy watching it. So I don't know. And I'm not defending. I'm not saying.

That's the thing is. I've seen him say that before. I've seen Austin say it before. Austin has changed a little bit. He's a little bit better this year than he was at Summer House. He's significantly better there. But it's all about your performance afterwards. I mean, we talk about therapy pretty openly about this in the entire show.

This is therapy. You just watched yourself drunk making a. fool of yourself and making your girlfriend look stupid with all of her friends. Are you going to change that? Are you going to be a better person? We'll find out, I guess, summer house. We'll probably see more of them if him and Page are still together. I guess they've been together all summer.

So we should see them whenever the hell that comes out. I'm going to say February, that comes out. Really? I think more closer to the summer. Get your prop bets in, baby. That's the other thing is we get these notifications that, like, Beverly Hills is not filming right now, blah, blah, blah. and people were freaking out.

And I'm like, well, I mean, they just finished the reunion. That's what I thought. Let's just hang out for a couple of months. They also need to make, we're getting into Beverly Hills again. But they do need to make some decisions on their cast. So give them some time. Well, Kathy's got an ultimatum. She's not coming back if Erica and Rinner are there.

Exactly. Well, I think if Rinna is gone, Kathy will be fine. But it looks like both Crystal and Rinna are on the chopping block as of now and Diana has absolutely got me out there. She's definitely gone. She's gone. Keep Crystal. I like Crystal. Yeah, I like Crystal, too.

I think we need that. Give Rinna, put her on pause. Whatever. No, fucking kick her off. We're not doing this. We are not doing this. All right. Let's move on to the active housewives.

We're in Salt Lake City now. See how fast we get sucked back in? It's like a dark cloud. But we're in Salt Lake. I enjoyed this episode. It wasn't my favorite episode, but I enjoyed it. And it's causing me to have a lot of questions. It's causing me to rethink.

Pretty much everything about Salt Lake, as these shows will do to you. Heather kind of sucks this year. She's had a rough couple of episodes where for all of the reasons that I liked her in the first two episodes, and it seemed like she was a good friend and she's going to stand by people. And you even said it when we were talking about Jen Shaw in the current day. It seems like Heather's still talking to her and still supporting her because she stands by her friends. She's very hypocritical. Extremely hypocritical.

We start out with the auditions and it's like the, and this got really fucking confusing for me, because they're bringing in Angie number two. They're bringing in friends that I don't know their names. Like, there's a lot of people commenting. I don't think we really need to focus too much on the other. Like the Angie's, yes. No, I don't want to focus them at all. I'm just saying it confuses me.

Angie K is fine. It seems like she's okay. She's fine. I'm going to eat those words probably. But present it more. Like she just all of a sudden has a confessional. I was like, where the fuck did this come from? Well, I think she had a pretty good moment where she came out and she was given the business to Angie H.

Oh, I loved that part. Yeah, that was great. And this is, This is really, we're going to put this out here right now. It's so tough for me to watch this knowing that Jen Shaw is guilty because Jen does have some good moments where I'm like, I kind of feel for her here. I think she had a good point with that. I think that I'm rooting for her for a moment and then I have to take a step back and be like she's fucking guilty. So I can't do this.

And like in that moment where Angie Kay is given the business to Angie H. Harrington, she is, Harrington starts laughing. Harrington is drunk, by the way. Absolutely drunk. She better be with that stupid fucking Whitney. Whitney is so cringe. Really? I can't stand it.

That fucking flapper thing, first off, she thought it was a dance competition. There's no chance in how she thought it was a same competition. No, I think she thought it was a performance competition overall. She came out and she's like, I had a great time at the singing competition.

I did some pirouettes. What about your singing? You wouldn't really know that by Lisa, because Lisa was flat. That was something. Lisa was she tried she wasn't bad she wasn't bad she was fine and the judges she had judges clapping and being like that was so great like no they're lying but I think that if she had music behind her it would have been better like I think that there was ways for that to have gone more successful however it wasn't terrible I've heard much worse like credit creditors do by the way Lisa is the star this year I love Lisa a lot here's my theory about the whole choir thing all right and hear me out oh boy Heather's sitting there and she talks about about how she has so much on her plate and we get to see her go with with Dreia to her new location and she's talking about her business and then she's talking about her book and she's

talking about to her publisher to her assistant who's like I got to stop lying for you at this point you've missed every single date that we've needed and I am making a fool out of myself and she's like oh my god like this is just so hard to write I keep going back and like pulling things out this choir thing why is she adding more to her plate I don't know she's avoiding doing the book she doesn't she's she's looking at it she's procrastinating she's like let me throw another thing on there and give myself another reason to not write this book i think she's so afraid and we see that where she's like my mom might not talk to me my cousins might not talk to me if i put this in there like i pull this

out blah blah blah why are you doing the book in the first place if you're thinking about like censoring yourself in all these situations if you're not going to write a truthful book about your experience in the mormon church and how you left and how you feel like you're no longer comfortable with it, then write the fucking book about how you're not comfortable with it. Stop censoring yourself and stop adding more things to your plate to procrastinate from doing it. It doesn't really make any sense. And in that moment, I'm like, oh, that's why she's doing this stupid choir thing. Are we going to have to deal with this for the rest of the season? Like, we're going to have all of them make it too. You see the scenes for next scene or for next week. Everybody's there.

They have to, though. Like only 10 people showed up to try out. So why are we having auditions? Why are we flying in the Mormon songwriter's son? Why are we flying in the American Idol contestant? Like, it's a whole big show that she put a lot of time and energy into instead of doing the book. It's all bullshit. I don't really care about it anymore. I get that, like, this is kind of religion-centric, so we're going to get a little bit of choir, we're going to get a little bit church, whatever. I'm fine with that. But don't make it a main storyline, and I don't really want to see it. But back to Angie giving Harrington the business. it's just tough to watch because I want to root for Jen and I can't.

No, you can't. And that's the thing. It's so tough. I was watching with Dev and she was like, I hate it. But like, I like Jen this season. And that's the thing. Like you watch, if you take the lawsuit out of it, she's having a great year.

Absolutely. She is. But at the same time, in the back of my head, like, and she does it for me. Like, I don't have to snap back into reality because then quickly she'd be like, I'm innocent. I'm like, ah, right, you suck. That's exactly, same moment that I was like, ah, shit, damn. Like, you suck.

And, like, look, I'm not going to root for her ever because she's a horrible person. But as far as, like, a housewife performance goes, like, she's killing it. Like, she really's having a good season. And she had one of the most, like, iconic lines when she called Chris Harrington a fat fucking elf on the shelf husband. Yeah, it was a great line. And we referenced it last week because we saw it in the scenes and, like, I couldn't contain myself because I was laughing last week, laughing even more this week. It's so funny in context. So it was just like taking back.

Whoa. Where do that come from? Like that is what he is. He's such a weird dude. And we talked about it in the beginning of the show. We thought this was going to start at 8 o'clock. It didn't. So I ended up just rewatching last week.

He's such a weird dude. He's a strange cat. But Angie's, Angie's explanation of the whole thing makes no fucking sense. I know what he's doing. And Whitney actually pointed this out, which made Whitney the fucking smart person and watch what happens live afterwards, which I hate saying. No, she has moments.

You can't count her out entirely. I'm telling you. It's brutal, though, because I hate her, and then I support what she's saying, and then I dislike it, and then I'm cringed out. You need to start understanding that this is, like, what you're going to get from. You can't expect one thing, and then she does another because she's always going to mix it up. It's one of her charming qualities, honestly, once you get used to it, you're like, oh, like, she's, every Housewives franchise needs a wild card. You need a wild card. Before last year, it was Mary Cosby.

She's gone. So Whitney takes the role of full wildcard, and she plays it well because you never know what the fuck she's thinking. And at the same time, even when she's wrong or lying, she doesn't know that she's wrong or lying. She thinks that she's right. And she had a great moment at the end of the show where she actually called Heather out on her bullshit. And Heather got so flustered because she didn't expect it that she ran away from the whole thing. But Whitney had a good point, and it was on Watch what happens live afterwards. the whole him choosing shah exposed as the username was for the clicks even though you're going after

Lisa Barlow entirely and that's the only thing you were doing which I've seen some things but it looks like for like 98% of the time he's just going after Lisa which they say that Lisa also does which I could see yeah she probably has a couple of she does it from her account according to her according to her but I don't know I could see her having a couple of fake Instagram hey we don't know that and we can't put that out in the world as far as we know she doesn't have it though we can say that we could see it though i okay sure but at the same time i thought that lisa i think first of all i think it's hysterical and this has happened multiple times where the topic is about her like the root of shah exposed like is it using

your name for clicks yes is that rude to you and your entire family sure the account's not about you the account is about lisa and she's sitting there while jenn is arguing with angi h who is creepily, like, sitting on top of Heather and, like, not understanding what the point of the conversation is. She's, like, thanking Jen for being so raw. It's like, nah, dude, that's not the point. You got caught in a lie. You liked some of the comments that were on the post from Shaw Exposed.

You have come out and said that you knew that he made the account in previous episodes, and now you're acting like you don't know what the fuck's going on because you're seemingly hammered. Like, it's such a weird scene. and the funniest shit to me is then Lisa goes, raise your hand if you're not Lisa Barlow's friend. Meredith didn't even raise her hand. Meredith sat there and was like,

but that's where Heather is right now where it makes no sense. She has had three straight episodes where she has a one-on-one with the person who's affected by either Angie or by someone else. She has a one-on-one with the victim, if you will. And then the very next scene, she brings the perpetrator there and is all friends. with them. And then she's fucking blown away when shit doesn't go well. And she's like, everything I've done in the past doesn't seem to be working out. It's like, well, you keep

fucking it up. You keep putting people in bad situations. And then they get mad at you because in that bad situation, you are sitting and holding the person that is responsible for the drama. And I gave her benefit of the doubt last week. And I was like, you know what? Maybe the editors are in this. Maybe the producers are in this somewhere where they're making Heather invite Angie to these things. Like, no. This week, she was literally sitting on your lap and you were holding her like a baby. Yes. And you raised your hand when Lisa said that.

Why? I have no friends with Lisa as of last week. You're not friends with Lisa this week because you're supporting this weirdo with her fat elf on the shelf husband who, by the way, again, watched last week once again, when he admitted it to Meredith and Seth, she went over and held his hand as if he was admitting this whole thing and had to really get it off of his chest and it's been a really tough time for him. I really need to support it. I said last week.

She held his hand and went over and like, good job. I'm so proud of you. Like, fuck you. You're a weirdo. That's, I totally agree. And, like, the funniest shit, like to wrap this up. And then we've got to talk about one more thing. But Whitney, when she goes to Heather's at the end, like, she's not being overly combative.

Like, she even says, like, look, when Lisa sent that text, like, yeah, it upset me because it was very sensitive. And it's about your father passing. And, like, yeah, that was a very touchy subject. However, like from Lisa's standpoint, like she was trying to defend herself. That's a statement of fact. That is the situation. Like, you cannot get mad or upset with people because they're presenting you with facts. Like, that's what happened in the scenario.

You get butt hurt because you're getting called out on your shit. You have too much on your plate. You're overwhelmed. That is your doing. You put yourself in these scenarios. Do I feel for you that you have too much going on? Sure. That's a lot.

Like writing a book that's against your entire church and family has to be taxing on you. Sure. but when you're presented from a friend like they've been good friends for a long time their cousins which I did not know until this episode I didn't do that either I was like wait what did she just say yeah she drops the cousin I'm like you know sit there and just listen for a second try to work through this amicably so you guys aren't at odds the entire time

the last thing that we need to talk about because I hated it I hated every second of it if I could have fast forwarded through it I I would have that fucking scene with Meredith and Seth in the bathtub. Oh, see, I didn't mind it. I actually thought it was kind of... She said she stuck her foot. He said, get your toe out of my ass. Yeah.

I don't want to hear that from Seth. I don't want to sit there and hear, get your toe out of my ass from Seth. Like, I'm good. Like, the whole point of this scene is just to point out that Meredith finds it weird that Heather's so quick to support Jen, but then is very quickly ready to throw everybody else under the bus. Like she, there's a lot of, like you said already, hypocrisy going on with Heather. And like, do I need to see these two having a weird intimate moment?

By the way, I feel bad for the cameramen. They have to stand there and film this weird interaction where Seth's like, ooh, get your toe out of my butt. Like, no, bro. Like it's weird. I felt uncomfortable. I don't want to see these to interact sexually, period. So like this was towing the line for me and I didn't care for it. So you don't want to see a love is art thing with Seth and Meredith?

Absolutely not. Well, all right. One last thing that I did want to talk about was, and I want to ask you this, do you believe that Heather did not know that Justin lost his job? It was all over. No. I don't believe it for a second. Like there's no way that Lisa knew immediately. And this was last week's episode. So this was a couple days ago, whatever, in the time frame. So Lisa knew immediately. And we know Lisa's dialed into the internet. So she knows what's going on. But Heather must have known. Somebody must have reached out. They're cousins too. Like she. made this whole stance like, oh, Whitney, you should have told me that this happens. Like, everybody else fucking knew about it. Everybody else knew about it. So there's no way that you didn't know about it. If I heard that someone's spouse, one of my best friends, my cousin, her spouse lost their job, I'd reach out and be like, hey, is everything going all right? Like, what happens? Do you want to talk about it? Blah, blah, blah. No, Heather keeps putting on

this persona. Like, I've got so much going on that I just can't pay attention to the things around me. But yet you're being, you're actively being a terrible friend. putting your true friends in situations that they don't want to be in, again, flip-flopped right away with Whitney once again, Whitney was the only one who came to Heather and was like, look, like, you're being a bad friend. Like, this is what's going on. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're going through. I hope that you're okay, but we need to talk about this because people are getting pissed off at you. Heather flips out, breaks the fourth wall, throws her fucking audio pack. Very funny. And it's always, I don't know why, but it's the same way that

Lisa did it, like walked down a hallway, into the room to the left, shut the door, opened it back up, through the audio pack out, went back in. And like, I don't know what's going on with Heather. I really liked her. I think that I can continue to like her, but she's got to fix a couple things. Dev said it best, and she said Heather is always on the wrong side of history. Heather is very likable, but when it comes to these moments, she tends to pick the wrong sides. And it's been kind of her M.O. Previously, clearly it's her M.O. with Jen Shaw, because She's still sticking by her post guilty claim. So, I don't know.

I mean, Heather's likable. Like, she seems down to earth and normal. But when she keeps doing all this weird shit, I'm starting to turn. That takes us to the main event, the Potomac. We are with the ladies of the Mid-Atlantic. And I loved this episode. This episode was great. And we can just touch on the early stuff quickly and get to what we need to talk about.

That's the burn sesh at the vineyard. But we start out, and this is an important scene because it sets up the scene for later. Ashley and Candace for the first time and a long time are having a sit down at Candace's house. They're just shooting the shit. Things seem to be smoothing over to the point where Candice is openly saying like, yeah, Michael sucked. Yeah, Michael was praying upon other people.

Like, Michael's a dirt bag. And Ashley's taking it in stride seemingly. And like, I would love to see this relationship like continue because I think that they both. both have decent banter, I think that Ashley airs on the side of like always siding with her feelings, whether she's right or wrong, whereas Candace's one-liners and comebacks are by far the best. Like she is top tier when it comes to comebacks. The problem is they go so below the belt they're hard to come back from. Yeah, that is true. And I did really like, and I had an idea for what I wanted to do today for this, but that scene that you're talking

about. Candice kept like flipping her hair and moving it around and then she had like a side part, middle part, like hair all over the place. I wanted to do something where every time that you started talking, I'd change my hair and then we'd flip back to me on the TikTok. And I have like a middle part and then push it all the way back or whatever. It takes a lot of energy. I just, I just can't do it. But that, that was fine. I did like that. I do want to talk about one thing specifically after this scene. And I want to know if you caught it. When Mia, was talking to her husband about going to Miami, and she's like, you know, we got to talk about like, what's off limits? What is this? What's going on? And then she brings us back to her past.

And she talks about how she was, I guess she was adopted and her adopted mother lived in Miami. So she's very fond of Miami. And then when she was in her 20, she went back to Miami with her friend. Did you hear what she said about meeting her husband? When she was a party to an affair with Daddy G, as she calls him. Daddy G. She cheated on his wife with her. Yeah. Daddy G. cheated... On the beach. On the beach. They had sex on the beach, which, look, fine. I can get past that. But the adultery and making light of it and talking about that, that's fucking deplorable.

It is horrible. And I had to look it up because these are the types of things that I'm going to get myself into because I didn't watch the first couple of seasons and I'm not like a diehard fan so I don't really pay attention to the first couple of seasons. You know, we're diving into it now, obviously. I had to make sure that this wasn't common knowledge. And it really wasn't. We didn't really... Is this the first? wow this is the first that that's that's the thing like I immediately went like oh people like her like this is that's deplorable behavior she's a scumbag because of this yeah she stinks like she I already didn't like her but now this is like a character flaw this is shitty behavior

and to that moral compass yeah and to then sit there on a reality show and say oh yeah when I met him like he was still he still had a wife and he was there by himself he wasn't in a good place obviously we know how he felt about his ex-wife if he was having sex with me in Miami. Yeah, fuck that. Like, we don't know who his ex-wife is. I don't know how the marriage was, but I guarantee you she's watching. I guarantee you she's watching this show. Do you have to take a dig at her? No. I don't care how his previous marriage went, that's none of our business. It's not on fucking public TV. We don't care. But if you sit there with a smirk on your face talking about how you stole somebody else's husband, you're a piece of shit. I'm sorry, but like that

that is what you are. But if you watch your behavior constantly, it's not like, she gives you any reason to believe she's not a piece of shit. I know, but it's very easy to call somebody a piece of shit for something like this. If she's just, you know, the whole thing with Chris where she's like, oh, he's staring at me. But I never said it was sexual. Like, fuck you. And we can jump to like the tulip scene when the lady, because that kind of sets us up for the burn session. You know, we had that quick touch with Rob and talking to the pre-up lawyer and just like setting the boundaries for how she wants to go about that.

But when they're standing there talking, this is where I get kind of confused on my feelings, on everybody. Because Wendy is saying, she's owning up to the fact that she is combative, that she can get condescending, that she can be rude when it comes to like challenging other people or when people challenge her. So she comes up with this idea to like set up a burn session where everyone's going to come in, they're going to say what their issue is with each other so that they can try to move on. Now, in the back of her mind, she has to understand, like, this is a move so that she can get views and become, like, more iconic. That's what I believe, just because you know this is not going to go well. Like, in no reality world, let alone a housewife's world, is this going to go out without any disaster taking place, right? Like, it's not going to happen. No, we can kind of see that when Candace is sitting there telling her sister and Chris about the whole thing.

And Chris is like, this is for the girls, right? Like, I don't have to go to this shit, right? No, please don't. He actually leaves the fucking room. He takes center stage. Let's just get right to it. Like, they're going through this, and it starts out pretty harmless. Like, people are more giving affirmations than they are talking shit

until you get to the green-eyed bandits. And Robin and Giselle completely fucked the whole thing up. Like, they didn't even give it a chance to work. And, like, this is where I get frustrated. It's because, look, Wendy is giving you an opportunity to say something constructive, right? I understand that her intentions might not be. as good as they seem, but it's a chance for you to write something down that will actually hit home. Hey, this is my issue with you, period. You don't have to be cool after this, but you can

at least say it without warranting backlash. Like, that's your only shot. It might not work. You might cause an argument like it might not be great, but you have a chance to maybe say something constructive. Nope. We're oil and water. I'm leaving it at that. Move on. I hated that response. I don't like when people check out of these things. If you're going to take the time just sit in a van for two and a half hours to get to the vineyard, at least go through with the process. Like, trust the process. And then Giselle jumps on, and then she starts yelling,

and they escalate it from, like, trying to have a conversation to fuck everybody here. We're not standing for this shit. Robin gets up and fucking leaves. She's done with it. Like, I didn't, I just, that, that bugged me. Like, I just wish they could have sat there and, like, at least gone through this exercise. I get that. I do understand that.

And I also agree with you in the sense that Robin could have taken. taken the time to write something down that was constructive. However, if she's going to sit there and she's going to stand by her guns and say, look, we're never going to be friends. It's just not going to work. Whatever. I support that. If that's truly how you feel, then that's how you feel.

We knew that Wendy didn't have good intentions going into this. Oh, yeah. Wendy used this as a play. Like you said, one, to get views, two. It makes her look like she's right in the situation. It makes her look like she's trying. And she knows that in the guise of this show, they're going to, going to make everybody go.

Now, obviously, I would have, side note, loved if Cherise was there, because we can get to the bottom of the Cherise and Karen stuff. But fine. Cherise isn't there. Well, we get a weird phone call from her. That's a lie because it's like, did you put a hand on me? Nope. Well, all right.

So here's the thing. Wendy pushed to the point where she said, you were going to physically get no an altercation with me. I don't think that Robin was actually going to do that. Now, did Cherise stand up and actually push when, or pushed Robin back? She didn't. She just did like the whole. Hold me back guy.

Like, he goes on the sideline. Like, she wasn't pushing forward, right? Like, she wasn't pushing against Cherise to get to Wendy. She was just standing up because not for nothing. Wendy did say, like, stand in your truth. So Robin stood up. And like, Charisse, it was a gentle hand. Like, hey, hey, hey, like, calm down.

It wasn't. But it does show where you are in the relationship of Robin and Wendy, which is clearly not good. And Robin really does not like Wendy. So we get that. Wendy sat there and did gaslight her. Like, she just kept going. She's like, do you know, I don't know, I don't know what

you're talking about. She did. Why don't you calm down and sit down and talk like, no, that's, like, and she's trying to keep the calm voice about it because now everybody's going to look at like, oh, Robin blew up and completely blew this whole thing out of water. And I'm going to look good. Wendy knew what she was doing and she sat there and used Robin's aggressiveness, used Robin's anger against her and pushed it right back at her.

And Robin's like, fuck this. Like, I'm not getting anywhere. I'm leaving. I think that that part of it's fine. While I don't agree with the beginning and I knew that she could be constructive about it, she didn't take that opportunity instead of blew up. But, I mean, the biggest bomb that was dropped, and of course, it's Candace and Ashley. And they start going on each other.

And immediately, Candace is like, see, this is why I should not have trusted. It's bulb's headed bitch. Again, it's just so funny. Like, she did the, she made the ankles comment about Giselle last week. She did the bulbous headed bitch this week. She says funny shit. She called Ashley a hoe, like, five times. Like, she does say funny shit.

But it's below the belt. It is. It is. It is. You cannot really, like, you can't reel a bad. back in after that. And Ashley brings up the fact that he was looking at Mia. He was apparently looking at somebody else and being flirty at the bar. Like, I refuse to believe that. There's no way that this man. Well, here's the question. Do you think that, because the way that Ashley said it,

she said, I didn't know that. I wasn't, that wasn't brought to my attention when I was at your house. Now, we are seemingly three, two, two or three weeks removed from the spring party when all of this supposed shit went down. Maybe. I don't know. It could be a week. We have no. idea. But we're time removed from this, right? The odds that Ashley got a text message that day, because it looks like it's one day into the next between the burn session and her being at Candace's, she says, oh, I didn't know about that when I was at your house yesterday. Do you believe that? No. She absolutely knew about it, right? No, no, no, no, I don't believe that at all. I think this is, and this goes across all platforms. I think these housewives find things out.

They get little nuggets. They dig a little deeper. And then they put it in their back pocket and they use it when they need to. No, I firmly agree with that. And we all know that. I think we all understand that going into these things. And it's not a bad move, honestly. You got to, like, stack up your ammo and use it when you need it. Like, I don't disagree with that.

But this is more of the same. Like, Ashley, I don't know what she's doing. I don't know what her intentions are with any of this. It seems like we're just kind of going to leave the Chris thing in the past. And then she brings it back up. And then Mia is just standing down there again, once again, oh, this is all about me again. I get to smile and just smirk and be like, oh, he was looking at. at me. But I never said it was sexually. All right, if it wasn't sexual, then he's looking

around and maybe you guys made eye contact and you made it more than what it is. We see on the camera multiple times. The same thing that we just said with Sheree and Robin, like yeah, Sheree did hold Robin back. We see that Chris was never looking at you. Not once. So stop making it about yourself. You're a scumbag. Nobody cares what you have to say. So just shut up. But Ashley gave me it. I'll give her this at least. She didn't interject herself. again but what is actually doing like what are her intentions with all of this why are we going after she's trying to stir the pot dude she's trying to take the spotlight off of michael and off of her and off of the fact that her divorce got leaked probably by her ex-husband like these things are all

moves that she's doing in a very sloppy fashion to try to look better than candace and look better than the rest of the people and since jazelle started this witch hunt for chris it's the easiest thing to latch onto. And then she comes out and says, well, there's other DMs that are much more unsavory than mine. My biggest problem with the whole thing, if you're going to sit in this woman's house, in Chris's house, right? You're sitting in their home with them. You cannot then bring it up after the fact that you now found out this information. If you're going to take the time to enter their home out of respect for her, be like, hey, by the way, I've heard some things. Because flashback, when Candace heard some shit about Michael, she took the time to talk to Ashley

without the whole group present, without making it bigger than it had to be, to try to do that out of respect for her. You owe her the same exact grace that she gave you. That's all it's about. So for Ashley to then make shit up and say to her like, oh, like there's some other DMs that you don't know about. Bullshit, dude. And then we see a scene from next week.

Candace drops the haymaker of all haymakers, the fucking nuclear bomb. She goes, yeah. well when Michael leaves your home he goes to bleep out the name this person's house to suck his dick period yeah I mean that's great and this actually one of the things that you did say

brings me to something that I did want to bring up and wanted to bring it up a little more organically but this is fine somebody on Twitter actually asked us and this is a good point because they've been listening and they know what we talk about this is from C Money at Clelly M shooter always says problems get solved in groups should Ashley have gone to Candace

one-on-one. You just said yes. I think in this specific situation, I do stand by my words. I do think that things get solved in groups, especially in Beverly Hills. But in this situation, she had the opportunity to bring it up or leave it alone. If Ashley had not gone to Candace's the day before, should she have brought it up now? No. No. When it's probably not. When it is life-shattering, life-altering rumors that can ruin a marriage, a family, a business, or any of those. Absolutely not. There is a time and a place for it. It's not some seeming drama in between two women that are going back and forth about

some petty shit. This is something that can ruin Chris's life. It can get Chris fired. It can cause these two to have a separation or a divorce. There's no telling the ramifications of what you're doing with such big allegations. Absolutely not in a group. I agree. Yeah.

If it's something internal now, all right, let's spin it a little bit more. If this was, and we saw this already, like Ashley brought this up to Candace, should she have brought it up? No, I still do agree with you when it has to do with a husband, when it has to do with a family, when it has to do with somebody who's not inside the group, no, you bring that up one-on-one with the person who's connected to that other person. Absolutely. If it's, again, I already talked about this, but if it's Sheree and Karen, like, yeah,

absolutely, in the group, I want to see everybody's opinion on it because I want everybody's interjection and I want everybody to argue about it. And you're not going to ruin their lives. No, exactly. But if it's about a husband, yes, absolutely, you owe them the respect of sitting down with them one-on-one and saying, what happened here? Like, this is what I have. I just wanted to bring it to your attention so that it doesn't come from somebody else outside of me. I don't believe anything.

I don't know anything for sure, but I wanted you to be aware of it. That's the way that you do it. You don't bring it up in a group and make somebody's husband look bad unless it's Michael Darby. I don't give a shit. I agree. But maybe that's what happens. But the perfect example, Candace has been sitting on this for God knows how long. She didn't use it.

She was trying to remain silent about this blowjob rumor until Ashley, three different allegations in one sitting, one that was proven untrue, two that was proven untrue. We've already expressed our thoughts on the Giselle thing. The Mia thing is debunked immediately because we have footage of it. You're O for two. And then you throw a fucking Hail Mary and say, oh, he's DMing other people. Don't do that. And also say the name.

Say the name. Say who it is. If you're going to do that, say the name. Don't leave them anonymously. And then they took the time to reach out to you and they know that you're on a show and you have a platform to do this. And they know that they're going to see something like this on the show. Bring them into it. Because they clearly want the attention.

So like give it to them. And that gives us some kind of like, okay, well, you have some evidence. Let's see it then. But if you're just going to throw allegations out there, then you deserve to have this gigantic rumor that your husband's out here giving blowies on the side thrown in your face. And it shows you that Candace is not trying to stir the shit up. She's trying to move the fuck on. Leave my husband alone. You guys keep trying.

It's not fucking landing. You know what? You want a real rumor? Here's a fucking name. And he's sucking his dick. Mike drop, I'm out. I fucking loved it. And I'm like, I'm here for Candace, which is hysterical because previous seasons, not a huge

Candace fan, honestly. But this is bullshit, the way that they're treating Chris, the way they're treating Candice, like, stop reaching for storyline. Something will happen. Something will come up. There's enough drama in this group where something will be brought to light where we can latch on to it for a season. But that brings us to our question portion.

We have a ton of questions tonight, so I'm going to pick as many as I can. Up first. Oh, I like this one. From Sleary, I see, did you consider that people drink IPH for the higher alcohol percentage? It's the job done. Look, as a former alcoholic, trust me, I understand the concept of drinking bad beer for a higher alcohol content. I used to get like those gigantic pounders of, I don't even know what the names of them were half the time. They're just like spiked malt liquor and I would like take him to the face.

You were drinking like four locoes, yeah. Like the bad cousin of four locoes that no one ever heard of before in some skeevy gas station. That's what I was doing. So yeah, that concept's not lost on me. But if you're going to do that, then don't tell me how good the beer is because it has fruit like or some kind of essence of honey or lavender. like go fuck yourself give me a cores light and move on no see i i'm happy we brought this back up because i've had some time to think about it have you yeah when you drink you drink every weekend you have a bunch of beers especially when the phillies are in the world series you got the eagles

going on at the same time there's a lot of times that you're going to be out boozing i'm not much of a hard liquor guy but i will sit there if i drink too many micklow vultures if i drink too many coronal lights like on the lighter side i like to mix it up with something a little different tastes a little difference. Something like a pumpkin beer we talked about last week. Oh, stop it. I like pumpkin beers. I like loggers. I like, like, you like Yingling. Yingling's a different type of beer. Yeah, but still, it's not, it's not, it's not an IPA. All right, fine. IPAs, some of them are good. Some of them have, you know, a little taste of orange in them. You like to get that. No. People like Blue Moon. Blue Moon's not an IPA. But it tastes different than a white beer. All right, but that's a

craft beer. I, you're only going against IPAs? Yes. What about stouts? Ah, yeah. Like, if you're in Ireland and you want to crush a Guinness, sure. And I like Guinness on, like, you know, certain occasions. But I just don't think.

That's celebratory. The IPA thing comes back to how IPA people act. That's what gets me. They sit there with some fucked up glass. It looks like a goblet to drink some beer with six inches of head on it where they have foam on their face. And like, hmm. this one's delicious. Like, no, it's not.

I saw you grimace when you drank it because it's too fucking bitter. Put your chalice down, sir, and get a fucking pint glass and drink a beer like a normal human beer. But anybody who feels strongly about something like that, I'm going to lump them in with the CrossFit people. Oh, I was fucking flipping a goddamn tire the other day. I took a sledgehammer to a tire the other day. Like, fuck off.

Don't lift weights and be a person. You said it perfectly. IPA people are CrossFit people. That is my stance. But I'm talking about the people that sit there and they do like the... And then they taste it and they're like, oh, that was delicious. Like, no, just drink the goddamn beer. Like, you don't do that when you drink any other beer.

So just have a good time. You order it a beer, enjoy it if that's what you enjoy and keep your mouth shut. The good thing is, how long have I had this dance? This is not a new thing. I've been doing this for years. He's been doing it for like 10 years. Ooh. Oh, this is what, that's such a plighter way to say this.

Merry kiss. Oh. Yeah, instead of, I still like Boink Mary Kill. Yeah. We're going to do Boink Mary Kill. From Mary Had a Little. Mary kissed this or boink, Mary Kill, Heather from Salt Lake, Karen from Potomac, or Garcel from Beverly Hills. That's a tough one.

That's a really tough one. Great lineup, Mary had a little. Oh, hmm. I'm going to. This is tough, man. Wow. I got mine, though. Yeah, I'm going to marry Garcel, boink, Karen, kill Heather.

Yeah, same. Oh, really? Yeah, same. I mean, that makes the most sense, Garcel. I, I could see myself having a nice life with Garcel. Yeah, but I could also, enjoying her company. I could also see myself having a nice life with Karen. However, there's, you know, there was some rumors.

Candice said there's some rumors. She might have a boyfriend on the side, Mr. Blue Eyes. So Garcel, there's no rumors. I'm going to marry her. Point, Karen. Heather, this is so funny because three weeks ago, like, this would have been very different. This would have been very different. I think I'm still trying to think in the,

the minds that I was in three weeks ago. I'm not changed my answer. I'm staying with it. All right. From Mr. Jared Barnes, do you think Giselle and Ashley are being equally messy? Yes.

I would agree. Yeah, I think they're on part with each other for sure. Yeah, I think that they're both kind of attacking this thing the complete wrong way. Yep. From Amy Gin, the place to be. Ooh, that's, that's tough to say. Amy Jen and, Amy, oh, Amy G in the place to be, not Amy Gin the place to be. not Amy Jinn the place to me.

I've been good lately. You have been good lately. It's just funny when this rears its ugly head. It's like when I couldn't say my name in the beginning of the podcast. Is Mia good TV or getting old quick with the messiness? I can't decide. Oh, she's terrible. I can't wait to see her all.

I couldn't stand her the first time she came on to the TV screen. Look, Potomac has too many wives as it is, I think, and we're not getting any Cherise. So get rid of Mia, bring Cherise in. Yeah, yeah. See you later. All in all, solid week of Bravo to you. There was a lot of, like, big drama in the news, a lot of big drama elsewhere.

So I'm excited to see where Salt Lake goes because it is a solid season overall. This wasn't like my favorite episode, but it's still good, right? And like, I do like that the drama is mellow. Other than, obviously, in Potomac, the Chris shit can get, that could get much worse. And I don't love that. I think they need to move on from it. It's run its course. I think it ran its course two weeks ago.

We're now at the point, like, we need to move the fuck on. Oh, yeah. but overall like the cast of characters in potomac will always in forever be my favorite so i'm enjoying this time in our bravo life way more than the last 10 weeks of beverly hills so i'm grateful for that but that's all i got you got anything else no i'm good to roll all right well i will say keep an eye on our accounts once again we've got big things popping um we've got some other stuff that we're going to announce november 21st right Right. Yep, November 21st, circle it on your calendars. Mark your calendar. It's a big one. That's

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