Bros & Shows - The Faithfuls are Struggling... (The Traitors Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

What's up Bros? The Traitors is winding down and it seems like the faithfuls are still having a hard time. Most of the crew is on Johnny now because of his relationship with Candiace. Eric is settling into his role as a traitor, but will his nerves give him away? Rob continues to play a good game but with two roundtables left, it's getting down to the wire. The mission puts the traitors at risk when they have to convene while the faithfuls are in boxes surrounding them. Kristin gets suspicious of Eric at the roundtable. Will the traitors be able to pull it off? Or will the faithfuls finally get on the right track and banish the traitors for good? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just. fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Neil Russell, joined as always by Shooter Magouter. What's up, dude? This has to be the worst group of faithfuls I've ever seen in my entire life. They're so bad at this game. I like the people that admit that they're terrible.

this game. Like Johnny and Tara are doing a great job because they've admitted multiple times. We're not good at this game. We're not good at this game. And Johnny does it again in this episode. But everybody else who's taking this game very seriously, they are just dead wrong constantly. It's very funny to watch. They're very confident, though.

And I think that that's what's funny to watch is I do believe they are intelligent people. They just, for whatever reason, can't find the right path to go down. Because the way that they analyze the wrong path, I'm like, that's a good thought. thought process and I can see how you got there. You couldn't be any further from the truth than you are right now. But your analysis of your incorrect theory is pretty good. It's just totally wrong. So it's kind of interesting to watch as they navigate this thing because, again, they don't

strike me as dumb people. But the way they're going about this, you're just like, what the fuck? You guys, you're not even like, he's right there. The one you all want to fuck? That's the one. Yeah. See, I have a different take on it. I think they are stupid.

I genuinely do think that they're all idiots. Like, I don't think that they're that smart. And they walk through it. And like, again, when they're walking through their process, it is so stupid and reactionary. And that's what they're doing. And it's getting to the point from me anyway where it's just a little frustrating. Like, I don't, I try to do the mental gymnastics of is Rob just playing a really, really just pristine game? Or is he going up against a group of idiots?

And I think that the answer is somewhere in between. but it's heavily leaning towards this is just a group of morons that don't know what the fuck's going on. They have not once without Colton, without, I guess you could say Tiffany was on to somebody very early on pretty much since Colton's been gone. They're running around like chickens with their heads cut off. They have no idea what they're doing and they're reacting to every little thing. And it's just so stupid to watch. Like there's no deep thinking going on.

It's just, well, I saw you do this. Like they're still stuck on Stephen and Lisa for the gold. And I'm shouting at my TV. this is how the game works. How did you want Stephen to go on? Like, Lisa wasn't going to win that. Lisa wasn't going to do anything. Nobody she's friends with had enough gold to propel them into the final six.

And yet you're still looking at her like, why would you give it to Stephen? They were walking up the fucking hill together, you morons. Like, they're just so lost and it's so funny to watch. But it is getting to a point where because it's been the same for the last like three episodes, with them having no clue what's going on. I'm getting a little frustrated because I don't think that Rob is playing a perfect game. he can do whatever the fuck he wants in that castle. He can murder whoever he wants.

He doesn't really have to think about it too much because they're idiots. That's my whole point. I don't agree. I think they're just morons. Yeah, I think it's 100% these faithfuls are very stupid. And in my opinion, I think that, you know, watching this shit from home on the couch is obviously wildly easier. I'm not saying that they are not running around with their heads cut off because they are. Like, that is what we're watching. but like I don't think it's dumb to get stuck on the Stephen Lisa thing I think you're looking and I think that the other added aspect of this is the panic throttle because they've been so wrong now they're all sent down the spiral of oh god I don't know what the fuck I'm doing it every time I think I do I'm proven wrong so I think that adds to it I don't think it's fair to chalk these people up as dumb there's some dummies for sure we've gotten rid of a lot of dummies for sure but yeah I think that there's a lot a lot

of layers to this whole thing again I'm not defending their gameplay by any means I agree 100% on that aspect it's like where I get frustrated is when they analyze a situation and that situation turns out to be the opposite of what they had thought and they say things like Kristen for example said last week hey I need to go against my intuition apparently and then this week she has intuition and she like jumps head first I'm like well you just said that we're going to go the other way. So that's like the lack of adjustment is where I get frustrated. Like we're not trying different things.

We're doing the same shit over and over again. It's not working. That's where I think we're at. I don't necessarily think they're all idiots. I think that it's, I do also think that Rob, I think he's playing a really good game. I really do.

And that I think he's playing a good game. I just, I think that there have been times where he has been playing, like his moves at certain times over the last couple of episodes have been awesome. Like one, again, we agreed with this last week. Once Lisa kind of outed herself and she had a ton of heat on her, you have to severize. Like that is very smart gameplay. Candice did not think very deeply on that.

She just saw it as you're going after another trader. This is traitorous behavior within the traders. But he had to do that. Like he genuinely had to do that. It was the only move on the table. And it was the smart move. If he did anything else, he would have put a heat on himself. So I do think he makes smart moves along the way.

But if we're going to put him up against the best traders that have been on the show, I don't think he's that high up on the list. I think he's somewhere in the middle if he was with a better group. If he was with a more cohesive group of faithfuls that could actually make sense of this whole thing. But here's the thing that I was thinking about last night while watching this episode. They got traders out two times in a row over the last two nights. Did you see any false confidence? Like, did you see any confidence at all?

Like, they're still running around. Like, they don't know what's going on. They've got it. And I know Rob is the one who got them, but they don't have any confidence. And I'm like, where, how do you not have confidence? You're two for two in the last two nights. This is massive. Like you guys should just be running on this energy.

You're playing with house money. You've got a couple more roundtables. You can take a shot like at somebody extreme. Like this is the time to go after somebody extreme that isn't Johnny Weir or Tara. Like it doesn't make sense for you to go after those two. And again, we'll get deeper into it later when they're at the round table talking about it. The reactions to what Johnny and Tara is saying is stupid. It just genuinely is.

the first thing you said, the lack of confidence or even the false confidence, I think I wouldn't be confident either if when we got them out, you go through your line of reasoning. And I think they realize it's like, we got lucky two times in a row. Like our thought process didn't lead us to this. Rob led us here. And then as they're trying to figure out and I put the pieces together, they're sitting around that round table going, wow, I wasn't suspicious of her at all for those reasons. It was something totally different. So maybe that's part of it because like, yeah, you're getting to the answer,

but you're doing the problem wrong. It's like when you write, it's like when you cheat on a math test, then the work is all wrong, but the answer's right. You know? Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know.

I'm still thoroughly enjoying the season. I do feel like there's also, there's this air about traitors. And this is coming from someone that hasn't watched the fager season. But I feel like everybody's trying to get back to that season, you know, because the majority of the seasons have been similar to this where like, because the last two in a row, the faithfuls last year weren't great.

No, the faithfuls last year weren't great. But the, the entertainment valued last year was way higher, in my opinion. The roundtables were so much more entertaining. These round tables suck. They don't know what they're doing. These round tables are a little bland. They're just so boring. And like people will, this is like another problem as we go later when, uh, Kristen and

Eric are talking. Nobody's really talking. And then what? You're going to focus on somebody to be like, Whoa, you weren't talking. Like, no one's talking. They're throwing out little jabs here and there. And then if there's heat on that person, they defend themselves.

Like, that's really all we've been seeing. We haven't really seen a good head-to-head battle at the roundtable. And even when Rob was getting out Lisa and he got out Candace, the Candace Rob was probably the closest that we had to even like a Bob the Drag Queen in Boston Robb last year. And that's just one of them. There were multiple good encounters last year. And even that didn't live up to the fager season. So I do think as far as roundtables go, this is one of the more boring

seasons, but there's a lot of little things happening in the castle that make this a lot more entertaining. So there's a lot of different elements to the game and to the show that you can find entertainment. I just do think that the biggest draw for entertainment is the roundtables, the chaos that ensues at the roundtables. We haven't really had a lot of that. That's fair. That's a fair assessment. But let's jump into this episode and Eric finds out that Rob is the traitor. Absolutely flabbergasted, bewildered, cannot believe that Rob is the one that pulled the mask off. So obviously, I want to see a potential trader turn down the ultimatum and die. That I really want to see someone go, I'm not going to do that.

I'll just kill me now. I don't think it's ever going to happen, but that would be really funny. I wonder if that's ever happened in because UK traders has been going for longer, right? Yeah, UK traders has been going for longer, but to my knowledge, it hasn't happened. I just can't. I don't know what the value in that would be. Yeah, I'm such a faithful that I'm out. I'm so faithful.

Because it hasn't happened, I don't know what happens afterwards. Like, does Alan walk in the morning after and say there's been a murder? But this person was murdered because they were offered a spot with the traders and they turned it down. I would imagine he would have to say that. Probably. But they've never had to cross that bridge. And they never will have to cross that bridge. Nobody's ever going to say, I'm such a faithful.

Get out of my face. I'm going home. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, that would immediately make me think that that person does some seriously sketchy shit. and they're trying to pretend like they don't. They're a real life traitor. Yeah, exactly. But they are the new traitors.

Eric obviously says yes, and they have to murder immediately. So we're going through who we're going to murder. We head up to the turret. There's three roundtables left. And Rob can see the finish line. And he knows that. And he knows that he's been playing a good enough game that people aren't on him yet.

So we got three round tables. Johnny is probably going to get whack tomorrow. not worth the vote. Kristen is shielded as we know. So let's go through our top three picks. We got Natalie, Durinda, and Stephen. Out of those three, where are you going? I would have gone with Stephen. I didn't think that Stephen really had any heat on him.

I feel like it was random. I like the way that Eric came into the turret. He was asking a lot of questions. He didn't do the main thing, which was, I just watched Rob's slaughter two traders two days in a row. Am I next on the chopping block? Like, is that just what he's going to do? like, do I have to protect myself?

Do I have to do this? And again, maybe he said that and it's just stuff that didn't make the final cut. But I liked his energy going into the turret because he immediately asks, who has the shield. Do you know who has the shield? Kristen has the shield. Okay, cool. Let's walk it through.

And his reasoning for everybody is pretty solid, honestly. I mean, he's a new trader. Wow. I watched the podcast with Boston Rob and Bob, the drag queen afterwards. And they even said, if you become a traitor later in the game, like turning your mindset into traitor from faithful is really difficult because you immediately. get nervous. So I think he did a good job originally. Didn't do such a good job the next day, but he did a great job in the turret walking through everything. I'm still landing on Stephen,

and this is just my own personal wants and needs. I want Dyrinda to stay till the end, because I want Dyrinda to make it to the final and then lose to a traitor. That would make my day. But, I mean, you know, ultimately, if she ends up getting killed, just bring her back next season. I mean, her track record's great. Just bring her back again. Maybe she'll make it to the end, and then she'll lose again. And then we'll bring her back for a first. fourth season, or we'll put her on all stars, which they're creating apparently, put her on all stars and then she'll win. Like, I think that's what we're going to do with Dura.

But I don't want to do that. I'm good. In my mind, I do think that Stephen was a pretty good choice here. I think Natalie is very smart, but she had a little bit of heat on her. The Stephen heat, I didn't see happening. But again, with so little people in the game, you can turn people's attention, especially if you're Rob. Like, Rob's the leader of the faithfuls and he's a traitor.

you can turn your attention onto whoever you want. So nothing matters at this point. You can just make everything work. Yeah, I would have actually potentially gone for Natalie just because of the gamer aspect, just to get the last one out of there. Stephen or Durinda, to me, are somewhat interchangeable as far as that goes. So I didn't think there was a bad option here. I'm fine with Durinda.

I would have gone for Stephen before Durinda, but I think I actually would have taken Natalie out just to not have to be concerned about gamers anymore just dealing with a bunch of normies. But I agree with you with the Eric stuff. What he actually said was, because he acknowledges that Rob turned on two other traders, he said, but we can't move forward without any trust. So I'm going to have to trust the guy if we have any chance of this thing. So that's the right mindset.

So I'm glad that he's taking that approach as well. But let's get to breakfast and Kristen, Rob and Mark walk in immediately. Kristen, God, I know she's smart. Mark. I know she's intelligent. I've seen her on so many other things, but she cannot figure this thing out. Like, it just isn't working. It's not clicking because she says to Robin Mark, I know I can talk to you guys. I trust 100%. Without question, I know you guys are a faithful. Like, listen to yourself. Last week, you said, you're not going to do this again. So like, don't do this again. But I still think that she's going to start to figure it out. Like she's my-

I give her credit for trying. Like this late in the game, you do need to kind of plunge head first and just try to get somebody out, try to make yourself and a couple other people believe the reasons that you're picking someone. So she's trying. Like, I would definitely give her that. And she's, she's well spoken. So she doesn't get really included in the idiots. It's just the rest of them that don't really seem to have any idea until they go into a roundtable

or they hear somebody else. Like, there's a lot of sheep going into that roundtable meeting. That I agree with. Yes. You're getting a lot of people looking elsewhere for how. they should vote. And that even like to the to the Johnny point, like the evidence against Johnny is not damning in my opinion.

Like the Candace thing, I understand where you're coming from. I know you guys are kind of floundering. You don't really know where to look. But we're, we're heavy on Johnny today. I could be swayed very easily away, which, you know, obviously we're going to see that later. But he said something very smart too, which, you know, is true. I feel like I was being used.

I was a human shield for a traitor. She kept me close. She fed me different things. I've always said that was a faithful blanket. Yeah. Yeah, I was a faithful blanket. Like I do agree with that. And under the right circumstances with the right faithfuls, people would look at that and be like, yeah, that totally makes sense.

People would also look at the last two roundtables and be like, well, wow, Rob, two for two, you're speaking up a lot. We've seen this before, traitor on traitor action. But again, they're not that bright. So they're not getting to that point. But with Johnny, I think he was saying all the right things. I think even leading into the round table, like he's still saying the right things in making a good case. for himself. It just doesn't seem to matter. And with them being sheep and following whoever the strongest is or whoever has the strongest opinion on somebody, it's just they're all afraid

because the people who have gone home have tried to take a shot. Like Ron in the first episode, took a shot at Porsche was wrong immediately on the chopping block for four episodes. And that's just kind of what they have to draw from. So they're all afraid to play the game because they don't want to go home. As soon as you stick your neck out for somebody and say, oh, I think this person's a traitor, who's to think that everybody's not going to look at you and be like, whoa, you were wrong. You're out of here. There's only been a couple of people that have been able to do that. Colton, I guess, you know, Kristen's down on what her third episode of doing this. So no matter what it is, it just kind of always turns down that alley. Yeah, I know. And that's, that is frustrating.

Like, we, we agree like on 99.9% is just the one percent of, you know, the intelligence factor. But everything else, like, yeah, I'm with you. Like, watching them deliberate. And they're so steadfast about certain people. And I'm actually okay with that. If you swing and miss, fine. Fine. At least you're trying, right? It's a game.

Yeah. Yeah. What I don't like seeing is somebody steadfast on somebody, right? Locked in on Johnny. I'm fucking going for Johnny. I know it's him two minutes into a round table or two minutes into a conversation in the kitchen. And you're questioning everything that you've been telling yourself for 24 hours. Like, I want to see some more conviction out of the faithfuls.

I want to see people doing what Ron did and having the balls to be like, Porsche, no, I'll play defense and stay a lot. That's the difference, right? Like, Ron was able to wheel and deal for four roundtables after he was on the chopping block. He was able to stay alive. I don't think that anyone else other than Johnny apparently actually, Johnny does do a good job shortly. I will give him credit.

I'm not so sure that the other faithfuls at this table could play defense like that for four days. I don't think they could. No. No, honestly, like in retrospect, when you look back at Ron's performance, it was really good. Like, he did a really good job. And with that being said, like you just said, two minutes into a conversation in the kitchen, you've got seven people in the kitchen, six of them are like, oh, it has to be that person. Like, right. Think for yourself. It doesn't make any sense. And every time that we do this, every time that one person tosses a name out there with, you know, the most circumstantial evidence ever, everybody else agrees. Nobody ever says, I don't really think so.

I'm not really sure on that one, except for Tara with Johnny, but we already know their relationship, which that was the other, we'll wait until we get there, but that one drove me fucking insane. That made me laugh so hard. Oh, they're both figure skaters. What are they?

Good friends now all of a sudden, this is a big secret fucking morons. Anyway, the way that it clicked for too many people, I was like, guys, what? Like,

that's where I, figure skaters. Like, we have to know that they know that they know each other. That's exactly what I decided that they're all idiots. Like, that's exactly what I decided that they're all. It's really tough to defend.

But aside from Tara sticking up for Johnny, try to think of any other situation where somebody floats a name out there and the entire room doesn't immediately agree. No one ever says, I don't think so, unless they have an axe to grind against somebody else. And they're like, I'm still going to go after this person,

which that's the other aspect of this. You get people that won't agree, but it's because they're still steadily voting for the same person like Candace was doing like Kristen's been doing with Tara. So you see some of that, No one ever stands up and goes, no. Like that evidence is dog shit.

You're never going to get anything that's going to convince me because there's not enough there. We don't have enough on anybody. But you can't just float Johnny out there because you think he's a traitor because of something he said in the car or because he wasn't shaking a breakfast this morning. Like it's just bizarre to me. It was literally based on the fact that Candace threw him a shield and Candace and him were friends. Yep. You guys are going to be baffled when you find out Rob as a traitor. you're all fucking snuggling with them.

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It sets the tone for how people then. move about the castle and the round table. So if you have a wacky first one like we did, now we got people that are afraid to speak up, which makes sense. Rob got, or sorry, Ron got skewered for a week.

And you have people thinking that that's the formula, right? Like this is how we are going about this, I guess, as faithfuls. So you don't, you need someone in that group that's going to be able to stand up and be like, whoa,

whoa, this isn't working, guys. But the person that's currently doing that is a traitor. That's Rob. saying, no, no, this is great. And I'm going to throw you guys a bone two in a row. Here's Lisa and Candace. See you. Now you guys all think. So that's where I do continue to give Rob credit. I think he is playing a pretty good game. But yes, you're right. Like some of the,

it gets tough to defend certain things from the faithful side. But I do think a lot of that is just the tone that's set in the first couple days in the castle. I think that's a big asset of it. Yeah, you're a thousand percent right about that. It's set the precedent. That's kind of just everything that's been falling in line since then. Have you seen the after show where they show the person who was murdered who the traitors actually are? Oh, no. I need to watch that. You've got to go back and watch them all.

There's probably a compilation on TikTok that you can watch. But I was watching Dorinda's last night because she was, they told Durinda who it was. Even though she knew it was Rob, she was still like, you know what? I was never going to vote for Rob. I could have gone all the way to the end. I never would have voted for Rob. He's just a great guy. She's like, I would walk in in the morning.

And he'd say, oh, wow, you're looking great today. And this is Medley. Like, wow, looking great. I love the fit. I love this. He's such a sweetheart. Even though I know he's a traitor, I still wouldn't vote for him. So that is actually the line of thinking for everybody across the board.

And if you go back and watch all of these people after the show, even Colton, who was like, fuck, I got killed by my friend. Wow, he's playing a really good game. I got to get my hat off to him. Everyone else is like, oh, man, Rob, really? That's sad. I still love him, though. Like, really, this is what we're doing.

It's actually really funny. Oh, man. Well, we get to the pre-mission deliberation. I always pay attention during this one because this tells you, especially in this season, what people actually think. This is the only moment where you get to know what each individual person who they're leaning towards, because they're going to get swayed during the mission. They're going to get swayed before the roundtable.

They're going to get swayed at the round table. So we are hearing a lot of eyes around Johnny, but Kristen's going pretty hard for Tara, trying to get people to rally around that. but the big question mark is the Stephen aspect of this whole thing because Stephen's floating around a little bit. He's definitely not under the gun like a Johnny or even a Tara at this point. I think the Tara, I would even put Natalie above Stephen. I think Stephen's somewhere in like that four spot.

Yeah. Which is also interesting with how things play out later. But when we're going around, we have multiple people commenting on Stephen saying, I'm not really on Stephen. What? Why do you think that is? Like, I think it was Johnny that brought up, which this is actually pretty good evidence. And I remember watching the episode thinking when Candace and Johnny were sitting together and then Johnny, or I'm sorry, when Candace and Stephen were sitting together and Stephen left. And Rob walked in.

Yeah, Durinda had walked in and said, oh, that's not sketchy at all and walks away. Right afterwards, Rob and Candice sat down and talked. But nobody really saw that. They did see Stephen and Candace, which, if you. you're looking for anything and you're just grasping at straws for any sort of evidence, that's pretty good evidence as far as I'm concerned. Like, I'm not going to fault you for thinking that. And Johnny's the one who brings that up. But no one listens to Johnny necessarily. They're like, yeah, yeah, it always down to, yeah, it always honestly, and this is the other problem with the roundtables,

it always just comes down to how they defend themselves. And if somebody makes a good point. They're not even saying like, wow, there's so much evidence here. I have to vote for you or the rest of the group is voting for you. So we do have to get you out, unfortunately. so we don't get stuck on this. Those things make sense. Instead, it's like, well, yeah, you defended yourself a little weird. I'm definitely going to vote for you now. It's like, okay, whatever.

But that one I think was worth mentioning, which I do like that Johnny kind of turns it on. And this is the right approach. If you feel like everybody's saying your name and everybody's been talking about you and you're going to be on the chopping block tonight, just do as much as he can. Like, go all out. He says this to terror beforehand. So do it.

Like, that's the way to do it. Do not play meek. Yeah. And you get Kristen. talking to Tara, she's zoned in on Tara because of how scared Tara always seems, which is an interesting way to look at this whole thing. But unbeknownst to her, she sways Tara from thinking that it was Stephen because Kristen's like, that's dumb. And she's like, you're probably right. I'm not going to vote for Stephen now. Yeah. Whoops. Good call, Kristen. There's just a lot of panic

throttle that we're seeing. There's a lot of panic throttle and that makes for a not a great group of faithfuls. But let's get to the mission. And again, as we're going there, everyone's talking about Johnny. Johnny's trying to point people elsewhere at Natalie or Stephen or pretty much anybody, but this is where he knows and goes to a confession. He's like, look, all eyes are on me and I got nothing to lose. So fuck it. Here we go. And I love that mindset. That is the correct mindset when you are on the shopping block. But we get to the mission. This was an interesting one. Everyone gets in a big jack in the box looking thing. The traders have to come out of the box, discuss, and answer the question that was asked by Alan with one of the faithfuls.

And the questions are, you know, who's the most useful, most manipulative, so on and so forth. As we go through this, I really like this strategy. Don't give them anything. I understand we're going to forego some money here. But I do think, especially with this group of faithfuls where they are so desperately looking for any information at all and they're not even remotely on the right track. I think the terror strategy was actually pretty smart. Just give one name.

Fuck it. It was smart, but it was also very, very funny. Watching them scramble was fucking hilarious. I'm a little surprised. I thought that this was going to show what Rob's intentions were, especially with Eric. I thought he was going to convince Eric in the first one. Like, who's the most useful, faithful? I thought he was going to convince Eric to put his own name in there because then it's like,

it's a little off of me, but it could throw people into a frenzy. And as it stands right now, Eric is still very random. Like if people were in the turret and Eric was not a traitor, you would look at Eric murdering Eric tonight and say, that's really random. Nobody's going to see where that's coming from.

So he's still very random. And I feel like because now he's a traitor, he's thinking a lot differently and Rob is probably thinking differently about it. I'm surprised that Rob didn't try to float his name out there just to kind of throw people off. But going with Tara is very funny and doing it three straight times and foregoing all of the money. that you could have won. This is one of the, like from the prize standpoint, this is such a crap shoot.

Like you guys can't convene. You can't talk about who you're going to vote for. You can't all look at each other and say, well, we have to do this until the third one. One, obviously we go Tara, Tara. Everybody's looking around. There was four. Yeah, okay.

So for the last one, obviously, that makes a lot of sense. But you can't convene. So it's going to be a crap shoot no matter what. And yeah, people might be able to lean on one name here and there. You're not really going to win a ton of money from this. So this is a good time to do this strategy. already sticking your neck out by getting out of the box and walking over there and talking, then getting back at your box without trying to make any noises.

You're already at a very precarious thought. Just throw this one. Completely throw this one and don't give them anything. Yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it was a very smart move. And we get the last question is who's on the short list tonight. I agree with them. Don't even put your names on it.

People are going to be thinking that traders are on that list. So that was smart as well. You get Natalie, Tara, Kristen, and Johnny. I think it's a pretty solid. short list. I think that obviously with the Johnny and Tara. And then with Natalie, she's kind of been floating around a little bit as far as people thinking she might be involved. And then Kristen is your random one where people are pretty sure she's a faithful. Unfortunately, that randomly works against them, which I didn't think it would. And the way that it ends up happening, I also

think is dumb luck and, you know, overthought process that actually landed somehow, like, Because like you said, when we get to the roundtable, the big thing again with, I'll save it. I'll save it because we're- Yeah, save it for the round table. I thought originally I thought the same thing. Like, don't put one of your names in there, but I thought it for a different reason. You don't want to make the short list shorter by putting one of the traders' names on it. You want to have four, like there's nine people left. You can have half of the people up in the turret looking at four different names to send somebody home.

And it also just completely like maximizes your probability. of watching the round table, seeing how it goes, and then picking the person on that list that didn't really seem to get any votes, didn't seem to have any heat on them, is just going to be a good faithful that nobody really thinks as a traitor. You want to get that person out. So if you have four names to choose from, and Johnny has an incredible case or Tara has an incredible case,

or Kristen, or whoever, they all have great cases. You can just pick from the litter. You don't want to make that short list even shorter by putting one of your names on it just to throw them through a loop. So I agreed with Rob's line of thinking it was just a different reason for me. Yeah, no, that's, That's also a valid point. And we get the ride home.

You get the shortlisters driving back. And you get the other people driving back. Everyone's convinced it's Johnny still. And in the other car, they were trying to figure out, was there a traitor in this box? Is there a traitor on the short list? Is one of us a traitor? I don't know. But Natalie sees something in Johnny.

She sees defeat. I believe her. I do think that she saw like a glimpse like, oh, wait, I think he's being genuine right now. He actually looks like he's defeated in this whole thing. I don't think he's a traitor. She's the first one to clock that, which actually is important for later on. It's the first time that anybody's really thought outside of the box. I mean, everyone's really looking for any.

Yeah, well, I did not intend that pun, actually. That was not intended at all. How about that? But at the same time, I feel like everybody's looking for reasons why you are a traitor. Everybody's looking for reasons why or what you're doing that leads me to believe that you're suspicious. no one's ever looking for, wow, that's just a great faithful. I mean, they have an idea. I mean, Mark always comes out into my mind as just the prime example of a faithful.

He never really talks to anybody about it. And that seems to be what everybody's kind of doing. And that's what Rob was doing for so long, laying low. But this is the first time we've seen a different line of thinking where it's like, oh, you're looking to see if he's a faithful because he's on your radar for being a traitor. But now you're seeing something different that tells you, nah, he's probably innocent. I think he's actually scared about this whole thing, which is really funny. when you think about Kristen's reasoning for Tara.

Kristen's reasoning for Tara is she's scared all the time. Natalie's sitting here looking at Johnny like he's scared. He's definitely a faithful. Why would Kristen not be doing the same thing with Tara? I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know. But I will say in Mark's defense,

he on so a few of them on social media have said that their edits are. They're blaming the edit. But they're saying the edit is cut to make them look clueless. Like they were like we were saying and doing a lot more. than they're showing. So take that for what it's worth, but just don't know that out there. With that, if there was any remote possibility of somebody even discussing Rob as a trader, they would have shown us.

We didn't get even a second of that. I don't think anyone's doing that. No one is. And Rob, Eric is cannon fodder at this point. Rob's the only trader left. No one has once said his name or brought his name up as a suspicious person. If there was anything like that, then they would have put it out there. So even if you're sitting here telling me,

oh, yeah, you know, we've we've talked a lot more about these things and they cut it out. If you talked about Rob, they would have shown it. And you didn't talk about Rob, they're not showing it. So you're still wrong. So I don't really care what you're saying on socials right now. I think Eric's going to surprise you if he doesn't get whacked. I think Eric's going to reel it in. I do.

I really do think he can reel it in. I just think that Rob's going to burn them in the next tube. Like that's going to be the big question. With Rob, with the dagger, which we'll talk about that, you know, when we get to the roundtable about how that, comes about. But with Rob with the dagger, he's got two roundtables left. He's got this one and then the one the next night to use the dagger. Otherwise, he loses it. In the position that they're in, there's enough heat on somebody like Johnny, somebody like Tara. Maybe it switches over to

like Natalie or whatever. If Rob were to use that on somebody who's already got enough heat on them, that's kind of a useless move. And it's just like, okay, I have to use this. I might as well do it. If I don't use it, I'm going to look like a traitor, whatever it might be. I think he might use it on Eric. I think he might turn and push it onto Eric so that he can get Eric out and say, I've been thinking about Eric for a little while and just completely turn on him. That's the only useful move for the dagger in my mind. Otherwise, it's just kind of a waste because whoever's going to go out in the next day, they're going to get enough votes regardless. Yeah. Yeah, my head went there too. My only question for that one is they've been spending more time together now,

obviously is the only two traders that could potentially draw some negative attention. if another person close to Robb gets whacked and robs the one standing there with two votes, you would hope that somebody would start to put the pieces together with traitor on traitor violence. I don't know. I'm not sure. But yeah, I could definitely see that happening. That actually makes a lot of sense. But let's just get to the roundtable because it's a lot of speculating beforehand and it's more of the, you know, Johnny stuff, but we do get people starting to push towards Stephen, mainly because of the lease a gold thing. That is the biggest piece of evidence that we have against Stephen.

I personally don't think it's damning enough to vote him out. I think you need a lot more than that because you guys need to hit here. You only have two chances left. But we get to the roundtable. And we start off with a William Wallace quote from Allen. Love that. Nicely done, sir. And Tara starts the conversation off.

Now, they at this round table and on their way home and throughout the castle today overall have decided that it's time for Operation Triple Axel, as I've been calling it. They've decided it's time that we rip off the mask and we let everyone know that we're best friends. I know that we're in panic mode and I know that we're up against the wall right now, but just in case you make it through this round, don't tell people this because they're suspicious of both of you. And if you then say, by the way, we've been lying about being best friends this whole time, is that not only going to draw more suspicion on the both of you?

I mean, it's sort of blind luck and weird timing because right before the roundtable, when they're talking about Johnny and Tara, Johnny and Tara walk by arm and arm with Tara resting her head on Johnny's shoulder. This is, this is bizarre to me. This makes no sense. Like I actually agree with Johnny and Tara discussing this at the roundtable. This is a good last ditch effort because if that's all they have to go off of, which it probably is if they're looking at, this like we have no idea who the last trader or traders could be but you guys seem to be spending a ton of time together we're not really paying attention to it you guys can be doing a lot of

things right under our nose there's been a few murders in plain sight we haven't realized what's going on you guys seem to be spending a ton of time together it's probably both of you and i don't see that you guys would use one or the other as a shield you just probably are both moving through this castle very un un seemingly and i agree with johnny stepping up and saying we're fucking best friends like we're going to hang out all the time we work together. We do all these things together. It's ridiculous to me that they didn't piece together that they're both fucking Olympic figure skaters. I know both of these names. And I, you know, they're from what, the late 90s, early 2000s. They're both Olympic figure skaters. They were

household names in everybody's house. If you look at the demographic around the table, they all know who these people are. You don't think that maybe they know each other and they hang out and their friends. Like this was not some big dramatic reveal. We made fun of it the entire season. Like, oh, yeah, they're never going to know that you guys are friends. They didn't. Apparently, they didn't because they're fucking morons. Like, this is ridiculous. How did you not realize that they might know each other, that they might be friends?

Maybe not the best of friends, but they run in the same circles. They do the same things. I'm not going to fault you if you didn't realize that they both commentate figure skating, especially for the Olympics. But still, you guys didn't piece together that they might be friends and this was earth-shattering news for you. It just goes to show you where the faithfuls are. If this was enough for them to really, like, wake up,

Holy shit, I can't believe they did that. And even Rob was like, I can't believe they just told all of us that. Like, you guys are being secretive. Like, this is going to put you guys on the chopping block. Why? Like, I, whatever. It's just, it frustrated me beyond belief because we were making fun of it the whole season. And lo and behold, we were actually right, even though we were making jokes.

It's earth-shattering news to them. Everyone was shocked. Like, what? I don't know. But what Johnny does a really good job of, whether you agree with them revealing their friendship or not. is defending himself. And he goes with the honesty approach.

He's just like, this, here you go. Here's everything. This is how I feel. This is why you are suspicious of me, but this is why I did that. So on and so forth. He gives a pretty good defense and throws it at Stephen. Here's my only thing. Yeah, the defense was fine.

But we're trying to base these decisions off of evidence that you've gathered throughout however many days you've been in the castle. I understand that a good defense at the round table can save you. But this to me felt like, oh, fuck, I guess I'm going to vote for Stephen too then. Because people started to realize that they were so locked in on Johnny, but some people started to fall off the wagon. They're like, well, I'm not going to vote for Johnny. If you're not voting.

If you're not voting, I'm not going to vote for it. And boop, boop, boop, down the line we go, Stephen, who was number four on the list earlier in the day, boom, right up to the top. Stephen gets whacked. I was, that was crazy to me from a face. standpoint. It was so quick. It really, it happens so fast. And that's why I talked about these roundtables for this season. Nothing really happened at this roundtable that was some smoking gun that was pointing to Stephen. Nothing happened as far as like a compelling argument about Stephen being a traitor.

And yet 90% of them voted for Stephen in a heartbeat. They walked in there and you can look at every single roundtable that we've been through. And I, you know, one or two maybe here or there. The majority of them walk in saying one name, walk out saying a different name with somebody else going home and it's usually a faithful. Like that's just kind of how it's been playing out. And it's never really been, I saw them doing this. I saw this. I think they're a traitor because of this. It's always just weird little evidence that isn't actually evidence that points them in that direction. And then they come out empty hands. And Stephen, rightfully so, was in a fucking tizzy. When you're looking at him going around the round table as people are voting for me, he's like, you got to be fucking kidding me.

what happened? Like, how did this happen? He didn't even have enough time to defend himself because it happened at the turn of a fucking dime. So it was so funny to watch. But again, if you're Rob, if you're Eric even, and I know we have a discussion about Eric right after this, but if you're Rob and Eric and you come out of that round table,

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wherever you get podcasts. It does. And when Eric says something at the roundtable towards the end, when he gives his boat, I thought this was important because he says, I'm so lost. Like the people I trust are voting for their people. Like I didn't know. So I went with this. I went with Stephen. Boop.

There you go. Fine. That's fine. Like he hasn't been the most outspoken person at the table. He's had some words here and there. But if you're not going to speak, I was happy that he addressed the fact that he wasn't speaking. I thought that would have been enough.

No, apparently. Because now Kristen is locked in on Eric because of his, lack of talking at the roundtable. And it could be editing. They could be cutting things out of the roundtable we're not seeing. But to me, and I understand that it's late in the game, you got to pick up on, like, at this point, you just got to keep throwing Hail Marys and hopefully one of them is a traitor. But she gets, I think she lucked into this one.

I think that at this point, she's gone down so many other paths and has not found a traitor, that at this point she's like looking for anything, which you could argue is the right way to do it because again we're getting close to the and she kind of stumbles into this one it's like well you didn't talk as much as you normally do so i'm on you now what i wasn't expecting was for her to tell him that because now the trader knows which weirdly may have helped her stay alive longer i don't know now because now because we don't know who gets murdered anyway but no and we can jump to like the list of people that they're talking about well you Yeah, but the way that she went about, I actually really didn't have a problem with it.

And again, Chris, the more talk through it, I don't. Yeah, Kristen's one of the few faithfuls where she's trying. I'll give her that much. And she does seem like she has an idea of what's going on or at least she's on the right track. She ends up at the wrong place a lot of times. She at least has a strategy. How about that? Correct.

She has a strategy. And she's sticking to her guns, which I appreciate. But talking to Eric and seeing how flustered he got, why not end it with a, I'm on to you right now to see if he it's even more flustered because then you can just point at that and be like, well, this is weird behavior. Anybody who's not a traitor would probably say something. And again, maybe he just got anxious or whatever it could have been. He was a lot more anxious because he actually is a traitor.

But I didn't really hate this strategy. I did not like, and I hate this move all the fucking time. Colton did it. Jam, Jam did it. Going to another group of people and saying, I just pointed Eric out in front of him and he got a little flustered. So if I die tonight, it's Eric. Eric's a traitor.

Telling a bunch of people that when there's nine people left and you're You're telling five of them what's going on. The other trader is standing right there and listening to you and knows how you're thinking and can use that to your advantage. Like play it a little closer to the chest. Wait until tomorrow. Pull somebody aside during the mission. Sit in the car with somebody on the way to the mission and start discussing it.

Doing it right that and there. That's a good point. I didn't even think of that. But we get to the turret for our short list. Obviously, we know it's Natalie, Kristen, Tara, and Johnny. this is an interesting one because I don't know which way and they walk through all of them you know Tara would make no sense in a good way because people are on to her they think she's a traitor so we kill her they're going to be confused Natalie she trusts Rob implicitly she's

part of that crew so if she gets killed no one's going to think it's Robb Johnny for obvious reasons he's been on the chopping block and then Kristen for obvious reasons now because of what she said now this is where it gets interesting. Do you take the risk and take a swing at Kristen? No. Or do you go in the next day and it's on Eric to convince her that he's not a traitor? It should be on Eric to convince her that he's not a traitor because you can't and Rob.

And Rob, but we've already seen this play out where Lisa was on the hot seat and Rob immediately said, I'll do what I can, but I can't do that much to be honest because it's going to put heat on me. So I'm not going to be able to view or imagine Rob doing and moving around to protect Eric the next day. It's just not his MO. If I'm Rob, I get rid of Tara. I try to push for Tara because, again, you just put her name in that fucking game four times, three times, whatever it was. If you then kill her that night, it throws everybody into a frenzy. Weirdly, this is the other piece of information that just drove me up a fucking wall.

after the roundtable, people are talking about if Tara or Johnny go home, it's probably the other one. The other one, yeah. Because they would off the other one to help their own cause. What part of their fucking conversation

at the roundtable told you that they would burn the other one? Nothing. Like, how did they get there? How the fuck did they get there? Like, again, they're trying, I guess. It's not much of a strategy. It doesn't make any fucking sense in my brain.

But if you kill Tara, you might have some people thinking that it's Johnny, which is ridiculous to me, which then buys you another night at the round table where they'll go after Johnny. And then you're good because then if you're Rob, and this is where I was talking about the dagger earlier, if you're Rob, you have to use the dagger no matter what. I guess you vote for Johnny if everybody's pointing towards Johnny and just like get rid of it. And then you can tell people afterwards, I had to use the dagger. So I might as well have just used it even though I don't think that we needed to and we had enough votes to do it this way. what did you think about Natalie looking at Rob and saying,

hey, I'm on the chopping block. Tell everybody that I have the dagger. I was about that. We forgot about that. I thought that was weird as shit. I didn't like, I don't understand the end goal to that move. I don't understand why she pulled that out.

You weren't even really on the chopping block, Natalie. Like it was between Johnny and Stephen at that point. So that was random. I think with her, this is the second time we've seen something like that. I think she gets full blown. and you'll hear me use this phrase a lot, panic throttle.

I think that in this moment, she didn't know what to do so. She just slams her foot on the gas pedal and just says things. We saw her do it with the antidote and the banquet. And now we're seeing it here. It's just like she gets to this point where she's up against the wall. And it's just like, wah, dagger. I want the end. She just kind of panics.

And it doesn't show me that you're a really good game player. Like everybody keeps saying that you're a really good game player because that's not what you would do in that situation. And I'm actually really happy that you brought up that dinner because I wasn't even thinking about that. At first, I'm like, I guess when there's this little people left and you are on the short list, you're going to say and act like you're, you know, kind of huddled in the corner with nowhere to go.

So you're going to do that. But she's done this every single time that her name is up there. So that's just panic move. Like you said panic throttle. I thought it was ridiculous. If I was rob, I'd be like, shut the fuck up. What are you doing? He would you tell people?

He's like, yeah, it doesn't really matter. He's like, I have the dagger guys. doesn't matter. I'm not using it right now. It doesn't matter at that point. So I don't know. I mean, I do think that they go for Tara. I think that makes sense. If they go for Kristen, it's just for for Eric. But if you're Rob, you're in such a good spot because you can get rid of Kristen, people are still going to look at Eric. If you don't get rid of Kristen, she's going to look at Eric and you're still safe. Like, that's what Rob wants. He's going to burn Eric at some point, I think. Probably. Like, Rob's got a free pass to the end of this game. Yeah. I do think

And that's where having Eric make it to the end would be huge for him. I really do think when they're standing there at the end of the game with that final decision and they look and they go, wait a minute. Rob, no one's ever brought you up. I think it's going to be hard for him to win this game solo because people are in that last moment finally going to look at him and go, oh, fuck. It's you, obviously. I don't think so. I don't know. Obviously, they haven't given us a whole lot of faith to think that.

But that's, I do think it would be a lot easier for him to keep Eric. But like you said, he's not going to sacrifice himself or potentially sacrifice himself to even put himself in a spot to get voted out. So yeah. Yeah. Well, let's see what the audience has to say about it. First one up here from Mike Brose. Do you think that Rob is a condescending jerk? No.

I haven't really gotten that. No, but if you're going to give us some examples, well, we'll do our due diligence. From Rachel Ray, who are you rooting for to win? I hope Rob wins. He played a great game. Rob, in my mind, I guess I want him to win just by default because I don't think that any of the faithfuls have played a good enough game to win. I think it would be really funny.

I still do, and I'm sticking to this a couple episodes ago, I said I would love it if there was just all faithfuls at that last episode and they turn on each other because that would be great TV because they have no idea what the fuck they're doing. and I would love to watch them just completely squirm and run around the circles at the end. But I do think Rob's going to be there, so it won't really matter. From Holly Tug, do you think Eric is going to survive? He's so scared. I don't see him making it until the end. I got faith in my boy. I think he's going to pull it together tonight and he's going to come back.

I don't know if he's going to make it through, but I do think he's going to give us a better showing than he did today. Yeah. From Meganyahala 18, I'm so confused. How does anyone not associate Johnny and Tyra? I don't know. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt in some regard. But even hearing, like, if you don't know who they are and you walk around the castle and you ask what they are, like, where they come from.

And they both say Olympic figure skaters and commentating. Okay. So you guys know each other. Like, it's just, it's, they would only have to say Olympic figure skater. And I would look at them both. And you look like you guys are around the same age, at least. You guys know each other. Yeah.

speaking like you guys the Olympic figure skating world is not that big of a world you know so like even if somebody skated 15 years before you you probably know them really well yeah people I believe are all kind of in the same circle so yeah I don't know at all yeah how they didn't like we legit have been making jokes about how dumb it would be if people didn't put that together Lo and behold, we have this earth-shattering moment where they're like, oh, my God, you guys are friends. Even Rob, like, that's the funny thing, like where people are saying that Rob is playing like a pristine game, him going to his confessional and saying, wow, I can't believe they just let that secret out. That's so stupid. What do you mean?

Like, what did that do? Did that change anything? Because it didn't change anything from me. I think it did because no one, it wouldn't have changed anything if people got to that conclusion. the way that we thought they would, right? Yeah. But because they were not aware of this friendship, I can't say it with a straight face,

then I do think it actually is a detriment to them because of the suspicions that are currently on them because the faithfuls have no idea where they're going. So weirdly, there's so many things happening in this game that are like pushing people in a certain direction, but not for the reasons they think that they're going that way. It's very, very confusing to watch. They end up in a destination, but the route they took to get there had nothing to do with that destination.

They just so happened to find themselves there anyway. It's very interesting. I don't really agree with this one from K. Looker Woods. Did you notice if Rob only targeted female traders and then replaced them with a man? He only had female traders. And we've gone through the reasoning for getting rid of Lisa, getting rid of Candace. I mean, getting rid of one and then getting rid of the second one just is kind of a no-brainer. I don't really see that at all.

I don't want to kind of call you out for thinking differently, but I don't see it at all. And I don't think there's anything to read into there. I will say this. Dev pointed that out a couple weeks ago, actually. So I think there might be some merit there. Maybe it's something that we haven't noticed, like our female counterparts have.

Maybe. So there could be something there. He was dealt two female traders with him being, the only male. Lisa had to go when Lisa had to go. And then Candace had to go quickly after that. Yes, you could say he didn't pick another woman like he could have picked. No, let's just go through it. He could have picked Tara. Tara would have been funny. Tara is pretty much the counterpart to Eric. That would have been a great, great pick. Yeah, Tara would have been a great pick. I think we said that last week too when he was picking Eric. We're like, yeah, you should pick Tara.

That's the only thing that like maybe I could hear out, but the first two, it's like he had two girl traders. He didn't pick them. So I don't know. I'm just, yeah, I don't know. I don't think there's any more. A lot of people just giving us statements. I do say, guys, uh, ask us anything and you guys just tell us stuff. Here you go. Here you go. This one will make you feel good from E.M. Lewis. Why is everyone an idiot? Genetics, um, learning ability. We can have the nature versus nurture conversation.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's something along those lines, who knows. Yeah, well, the one thing I will say, and like I said, I enjoy this season still, and I know you do too, but I do think that we have a really good shot at a really good ending. Like this, because it's so fucking weird and wacky

as like what we're seeing and watching, and because of who's involved currently with the Rob and Eric aspect, there's a few routes that this show takes where it could end with an absolute banger. There's a couple obviously where it could go and lackluster. But there's a few ways that this show ends on such a high note that the tomfoolery of the faithfuls can be overlooked. So I'm hoping we go those routes.

Yeah, yeah, me too. But yeah, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope, all good here. Well, Rob Brose are out of here. Why'd you do that? Because the Bocco's got to get on out of here now. Bye.

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