Bros & Shows - The Fall of Lisa Barlow?! (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

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Well, you know, it's actually kind of funny, because the way that the episode start off, it says below deck first, and then says Salt Lake, and I want there to be some sort of, and this might be asking a lot, but I want there to be some sort of snowfall. Like when they bring up the Salt Lake, it comes up, and then a whoosh of snow. Yeah, that would have been nice. Yeah. I don't know why I thought that, though. That's also like Salt Lake production to have thought of that.

Is there going to be a below-deck down-under version of this trip? There needs to be. I don't think there will be. I think this is technically the crossover, but we're not getting the behind-the-scenes. So that's what makes me think there might be. We're not getting a lot of below-deck action. So it's either we're, I mean, it would be a phenomenal episode. There's no reason not to air it because then you're going to double up on Salt Lake Housewives as well.

So for Bravo, that'd be a big swing and a miss. But here's why. I thought maybe we're not getting as many behind the scenes and curious to hear your take. So usually, when we watch a below deck, let's say it's a similar group of rambunctious adults.

Mm-hmm. Okay? The below deck scenes are usually talking shit, trying to find things out about them, venting and saying how awful they are. So maybe they won't do that? Because they don't want, like, the bad press of them shitting on the other franchise, perhaps?

It's a possibility, but I do think that there is some sort of, I don't want to call it common courtesy, but like professional courtesy, because you're on the same network? Maybe. Then maybe they won't. And if they do, they can just filter it out, like post-production for certain things. Obviously, there's got to be some level of talking shit because that's how it works. But I just think for, you know, somebody like Captain Jason, for Daisy, there's only really

scenes when they cross over. They don't have their own standalone. Yeah. So it could go either way. But I see what you're saying where, yeah. you know, let's just kind of do some privacy here because they probably are going back. I can't imagine that Ben isn't biting his tongue every time that he's cooking. Exactly.

You know what I mean? You know, Ben is never one to hide his emotions or feelings. They're not sending anything back, which is nice. No, they're not. And they haven't asked for anything wacky either as far as food goes. Dr. Pepper in the morning? Yeah, but they would have had, like, I thought that one through it. I'm like, wow, what an obscure drink to order on a guy.

She wrote that on her sheet. Yes. Yeah, they covered that. So I had to go down that path to figure that out again. But all in all, the funny thing is actually about that specifically, and that's the first scene anyway, so I don't really care. It kind of threw me through a loop because I was like, oh, yeah, they're Mormon. Of course they're not drinking coffee, but then Dr. Pepper, and I'm like, wait a minute. That's the same thing.

Yeah. As far as. But there's no caffeine in Dr. Pepper. Wait, no, it's just a dark soda. That's not true at all. Really? I used to drink like five Dr. Peppers. That was caffeine-free.

There is caffeine-free, Dr. Pepper. It is not inherently caffeine-free. It is made with caffeine. Trust me, you, okay? Me? Trust me, you. Okay. You trust me, you.

Yeah. Trust me you sounds like a song. It's my new hit single coming out this fall. Trust me you. Locals by Jesse Solomon. Camio. Or, sorry, featuring Jesse Solomon. Camio.

I paid a cameo to have Jesse Solomon suing on my song. Good. Which you could argue is the same thing as having somebody featured on your track anyway because you're just paying them to come and do a variety. verse. Correct. So, I'm in the industry now. My first song is, Trust Me You. It is Jazz Electro House Music. Okay. I think that works out. Somehow, yeah. Yeah. But stay tuned for my drop of that, but we- DJ and remix by Meredith Marks. Yes, actually. There's no way she's remixing anything. No shot. No. I don't know. Does she know how to use the DJ? I doubt it.

All of the things that people used to say about James Kennedy over the years about how he would just press play. Meredith Marks. That's what Meredith Mark does. But would much rather go to a Meredith Mark show. 1000%. Yeah, I don't want to shit off. Even at the height of James Kennedy when he was not, well, he was always kind of problematic,

but not as problematic. Well, when it was. Going to Sir on a Tuesday night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. Going to Sir on a Tuesday night or going to see Meredith Marks in my home city. Going to see Meredith Marks. I would go see Meredith Marks in a dive bar. I'm disparate.

That actually sounds awesome. Yeah. He's just making it sound better. I know. I'm just trying to think of a situation in which, I would never go to James Kennedy over Meredith Marks, regardless of the venue she was playing. Fair. That's what I'm saying.

Love it. Okay. But we have a whole lot to talk about. I had to pause and rewind this episode more than most because of all of the good commentary. Everything that happened in this episode was something. Like, the reprieves were so short that they lumped them all together in little scenes. Did you notice that? I don't even know what reprieves you're talking about because I didn't see any.

That's what I mean. It's like when they're just quickly getting ready or talking about costumes or there's There's always something. Yeah, but they're just little snippets and then it's like, bam, we're back to the action and a lot of shit's happening. Yeah, this is going back to watching Love is Blind. If we tried to watch this on 1.5 speed, it would have been a nightmare. Correct. So we already covered the morning, obviously, with the Dr. Pepper and the coffee.

Bronwyn decided to sleep out on the deck rather than room up with Brittany, which initially I was like, that's kind of nice. Yeah, I was kind of into it, too. I would have done that. Yeah. I know what you're getting into when you do that. Like, tomorrow's going to suck. I think the fact that it rained at 3 a.m.

and she stayed out there is kind of telling on where she is with Britney, rather. You could say that, or you could say, did it actually rain? I was skeptical. Do you think it was maybe just a little wind and maybe some rough waves that were splashing up and getting some mist? It could have been a mist situation. I just, I, I'm hard pressed to believe that she would have stuck it out through, like, actual rain. And here's the other thing, if you're bedding, unless you went under the deck at some point, like the balcony, but if you're going to sleep outside and it rains, then your comforter's wet, the pillow's wet, your pajamas are wet.

You just, there's no way you can go back to sleep. Yeah. Also, why didn't she just sleep in, like, one of the many areas that are up above the rooms? Well, if you're a little... The upper saloon, as we find out later? If you're a little tipsy and... Oh, it sounds great. I understand that.

But, like, I feel like what I would do is I'd walk upstairs and then see all of this space in a room and be like, okay, I'll just sleep right there. Just a couch, find a couch somewhere. Yeah, or you can just bunk up with... It's a little dramatic. Angie and Mary. Bit dramatic. It was, but I appreciate it. And I think that she was obviously also thinking, like, oh, tomorrow morning when I wake up, like, this would be a funny scene.

It was. And, like, look, she was a good sport about it. She wasn't grumpy waking up, and I don't think that she had a good night of sleep. But if we get stuck on this for too long, then we are going to have to be talking for six hours because there's way more important shit going on than Bronwyn's sleeping on the deck. Heather and Whitney are chit-chatting, and they're recapping last night. They're both shaking off the hangover in the morning, and I was nervous here. Thought she was going to backtrack?

Yep, as soon as I hear, what happened last night? I was like, no. No, not now. You did so well. Heather's getting fucking hammered. Lit. She's getting absolutely lit. And I love it.

I do too. Absolutely here for it. You're on a yacht. You know, yacht it up. I think that goes hand in hand with the yacht is getting really boozy. Yeah. Because who else? I mean, I don't want to hang on on a boat.

I guess I have to because I'm sober. But, like, hanging on a boat with no booze is not nearly as fun as a boat with, like, booze. Imagine if you were on a boat and you got seasick, like you were Angie Kay in this situation. I don't, I can't. I can't eat. Or drink tequila to make myself feel better. You know? That sounds like a nightmare.

Oh, that was a tough. But, yeah, I'm with you. I really did think that Heather was going to back. track, I thought she was going to take a few things back. Obviously, she can't take everything back. But immediately we get right back into it. And I think Whitney's just as excited as we are. She finally has a

partner, not a partner in crime, but she finally has somebody on her side. She's been going at Lisa for years. And I think it's also we've always seen the tension between the cousins. I think this has completely taken that out of the frame. So now they can fully just dive into the elite. We can just

focus on one common enemy and we don't have to worry about us getting weird because fuck Lisa. Well, Whitney's also doing a great job of staying out of it. She's not diving in. We know how she feels and she's not furthering the story and not that she could, honestly, because she would just get squashed immediately as she always does. Allow other people to go at Lisa.

You've had your time. It doesn't work. We know how you feel and she's able to just kind of voice that to Heather in this scene, voice it to Bromwin in the scene before or I guess last week's episode. She's not doing too much, which I was worried about too. She's able to just kind of skirt through this whole thing. Exactly. And she's doing a really good job of allowing other people to speak on her behalf. And I think that's one of the big things you get with a cast that has been together for a while and understands dynamics in the group because I think, and this is big, I think Whitney's learned a little bit in the past when she tries to go at somebody or if she's saying the same thing somebody else is, then everything's going to get crossed and they're going to butt heads.

Heather's doing a good job. Just let Heather go. Yeah, let Heather go, understand your role in all of this, and don't speak over, because that's going to give somebody like Lisa now. Exactly. Because the whole table can flip, go right after you, and then all the things that you've been talking about and all the shit that Lisa has compiled on you can then go against you, and then it goes against the whole group. And that's not what we're trying to do here.

I think very simply what we're trying to do here is just get Lisa to apologize and take some ownership. Exactly. I think that's what Heather wants, and she kind of says that in this scene, just talking about I want her to actually feel sorry and admit that she does these things, at least to some extent. You know, I don't really need her to say all of the things that I was blaming her for last night, but just take some ownership of some of the things, and we can move forward. And I think that's all we really want right now.

Heather even offers an out in that capacity where she's like, you know, just apologize for things you've done in the past. Yeah. She really doesn't. Literally any apology I think would work right now. I know. And that kind of highlights the fact that she still loves Lisa. Right. She still wants to be friends with Lisa.

So if she's trying to find a way through this that's not going to be a full-blown apology because she knows she's not going to get that from this. So anything will do, a simple apology will do at this point. And we get a quick clip of those two the night prior. And after watching last week and then watching the discourse online, like I still maintain my same stance as last week. But the onus of providing evidence at some point is important

because it's a lot of big claims. I do believe she's behind it, but we need some kind of smoking guns, some kind of text, some kind of screenshot, even a third party that wants to chime in, whether they be credible or not. We need somebody to corroborate.

Right. I'll get into that later in this episode. But in this moment, you know, she's talking about how she would never, ever do this. I would never go digging. And Heather points out something important.

You know everybody. You just said you know everybody, and everyone tells you things. Right. And I think the best, line from her was, when I want to know something, I come to you. And she's like, yeah, well, what? I don't know. And doesn't really give an answer to any of that. It just gets mad at her again, which I get, like she got ganged up on. But I think that that's an important note. I think her

connection with all the gossip, we need to hold on to that one because that's the most important little nugget in this whole thing. I think that's also a good starting point. And you can tell we're not really making any headway. That's the outer shell is just getting her to a admit, you're perpetuating. Right. You're hearing things, then bringing it up when it suits you, and you can't even apologize for that. We're never going to get to the deeper stuff, and not to use, you know, the digging thing

as a motif, but we do need to dig past all of that to get to the part where you are actively digging up information on people to use against them, and then just saying you heard it somewhere. Correct. But we're not going to get there if you won't even admit that you shouldn't be perpetuating. Right. But she, I don't know. I got to save it because we've got so much more to talk about.

you get a quick scene with Lisa and Meredith bold move from Lisa and I think she's scrambling right now I think she's rattled because she's venting to Meredith now I do agree like we've seen Meredith kind of cower away from defending her in public multiple times she goes to dip a toe in she's talked to one crew before the altercation happens and during the altercation it seems like she's on Lisa's team but doesn't really come to her defense and at the same time sidesteps the responsibility of speaking against Lisa. So she's kind of in this weird friend limbo right now. And I think in her mind, I'm safe here.

I'm Switzerland because I'm not really doing either. I can't really get yelled at by anybody. But even Mary points out, Mary doesn't like Lisa, but she points out later like, you don't do shit for Lisa. You never say anything. Yeah, she never says anything.

I've never really blamed her until now. And I think the only reason I'm trying to see it from Lisa's perspective is because Lisa is getting piled on. Yes. So, yeah, I think deep down both of us have this resentment towards pylon's, but this one was a little bit more necessary. The further it goes, I do want somebody to at least step in and just actually defend her.

The way that Meredith defends is not at all what Lisa's painting. And I'm not saying that you have to do or say exactly what Lisa wants, which Meredith does say later as well, but you do have to do some semblance of I'm defending my friends. Wait a minute. Let's not talk about that. here, at least name her by name, like actually use her name and say she wouldn't do something like that.

Yeah, maybe deep down you think that she would, but at least have some sort of defense for her. Yeah. And she's not doing any of that. And she hasn't done that at all this season. Nope, not even remotely. But it's still a bold move from Lisa in this moment. You are on a boat at sea.

Yeah. Nobody likes you except Meredith. Mm-hmm. And you're going to alienate Meredith right now. Yeah. And that's where I say, I think she's scrambling. It's a bad time. Time and place.

Really bad time for that. It's definitely a conversation to be had. Honestly, it's more of the same conversation that she already had with Meredith after the camping trip. Yes. Where Meredith, yeah, whatever. Honestly, Heather was the one who defended Lisa the most of the camping trip. And now she's the one who's turning on her.

Meredith is still doing the same thing. And Lisa did clock that pretty much immediately. She's just kind of furthering the conversation. So, yeah, I think we both agree that we agree with the sentiment. Like, yeah, you do want to ruffle Meredith a little bit and try to get her and provoke her to defend you in some way, but not right now. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Just wait. Everybody hates you. You need a friend. You have a friend. She's sleeping in bed with you. Don't do the Lisa thing. That's all. It's just timing.

I do think she has a valid conversation. Yes. Or later, just not right this, not the immediate morning after everyone else just bailed on you. Or go vent to poor J.B. Yeah. Go call J.B. Husband boss. He'll sit there on the phone.

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Unless you get them from a snack machine, in which case, call us. Everyone gets on to the deck, though. Angie Kay has arisen from the dead, actually. She's no longer puking, getting her sea legs, which is nice to see her back in the mix, did miss her last week. Lisa comes out and I was curious what route she was going to take. And she comes out and goes, look who's back from the dead. Was she talking about herself or Angie?

I think herself. Okay. I thought she was talking about Angie at first, and then she kept talking about herself. Like, you meant you. Yeah. I think she meant herself after she got killed last night by Heather. And I don't know if production did this. I never know with the awkward silences. Is that what actually went down, I imagine? I think it did. And I think everybody got up and left. I just don't know what else you can say that. I don't really blame them again just because we want you to take some ownership and we crushed you last night. And you had some time alone. Heather went to go get you and still continued to crush you just to try to force you into some sort of. apology. If you came out and said last night was pretty crazy, maybe we just table it, like have some sort of, I don't know, another option, some sort of alternative that we can move forward with. Don't act like, this is worse than acting like nothing happened. Yeah.

This is worse than coming out and saying, oh, yeah, look at this. It's such a beautiful day and sitting down and expecting everybody to just kind of go about their business. You came out and addressed what happened last night in a weird, funny way and then still didn't talk about it. Yeah. It's the weirdest move. It's a strange move, but I think we're seeing Lisa fully rattled for the first time. Like, we've seen her. I think she's, like, she's grasping for straws. She doesn't have anything.

That's what I mean. Nothing to say, because everything she says gets knocked down immediately. Because it's not smart. Yeah. Like, she's putting herself in this hole, and that's just foreshadowing for later, to be honest. Honestly, I think if she stayed in her bedroom and just sat in her feelings, eventually somebody's going to come in, not Meredith, but somebody from the outside. Heather would probably go in either. Heather would go in and talk to you.

No, Brittany would. Well, Brittany doesn't count. Oh, she doesn't count. Brittany doesn't matter at all. Right. She doesn't count. So Heather would eventually come in or, you know, like Mary or Angie. Like, Angie probably wouldn't. But Heather would come in and at least broach the subject with you.

Maybe you can get to a good place with Heather. And then if you have Heather on your side, you're fine. Yeah. Everybody else's opinions and feelings won't matter because it's going to be more of the same. And then you're at least going to have Heather in your corner. This was just the weirdest strategy. This was not a strategy. this was not a strategy actually

I take that back immediately this was nothing no it was a tough look and everybody bails because she doesn't acknowledge anything and it's her and Brittany sitting there and Brittany of course is like are we good and he says like sure yeah we're great how are you and Heather and she's like look I love Heather but after last night

and I agree like I understand you not wanting to be close to Heather right now after that but what you shouldn't do especially considering everything we're talking about right now is rumors and nastiness and talking shit and digging things up and hearing something from somebody else

and then perpetuating. So Brittany brings up Bronwyn because she's mad at Bronwyn because they had a tiff last night before bed. Brittany was pissed off that she brought up the seizure thing. Then he shouldn't have said the seizure thing. And Bronwyn just doesn't want to be near Brittany. So she's trying to throw some shade at Bronwyn,

which immediately activates Lisa. And she's like, oh, she always does this. she lied about me talking about the grandparents last year with Gwen and you know I reached out to she asked me to reach out and then she got pissed off and acted like I was hurting her family all year and blah blah but we get a text screenshot so like she gave that to production obviously it's like in this moment I paused it and read it too yeah in this moment I was like I wanted like shaker I'm like dude this is this is exactly what we're talking about but this is even worse because of who you're going after and with what you're going after her because you sat down

with her in the Vita Tequila Lounge and made an agreement to not talk about Todd and to not talk about kids. Bronwyn didn't even say kids. She said husbands. Lisa, you've said kids. And now you're doing it again. This strengthens my theory that Brittany is going to be the final nail in the coffin for Lisa. I think so too. Because this is very easy. You could just say, look, I don't want to talk about it, you know, whatever. I'm sorry you had a rough night. Anything, literally anything. But you get activated immediately. This is just, it's just what you do. There's no way for you to outrun this. This is your personality. So as soon as Brittany of all people is talking, and I'm still not convinced that you guys are actually friends. No, she's convenient. Yeah. So why do you care so much?

It's just that you're so engulfed in your own stuff that you always have to gossip. You always have to gossip and you always have to put people down. And it's tough. And obviously Brahman's right on the upper neck, just listening. Just listening. Eavesdropping a little bit, doesn't get involved right away, which I kind of wanted her to poke her head over and be like, are you fucking kidding me? I think it hits better later. It does hit better later, but I think I would have liked either, honestly. I think either one would have been great, and I think it would have been a better, more fun

and camp housewife moment if you poke your head over. Strategic, I get a little worried that people are just operating in strategy at all times. I would have liked the immediate emotional response leaning over and saying, are you guys fucking kidding me? We're really going to do this right now? because that would have evolved into something much greater. Someone got thrown overboard. Yeah, again, strategy.

And for Bromwin, who fell apart last season, I understand why she's being strategical. Let's do it this way. It makes a lot more sense. But for Lisa, what the fuck are you doing? You don't even really like Brittany. Why are you engaging in this stuff? Instead, you're now going to get yourself caught again. She did get caught again.

Yeah. And, again, it's convenience. Brittany's convenient, and you know that you can get her on your team. Yeah. If you just listen to one of her, oh, I know, I'm just saying like Lisa in this moment's like, oh, camaraderie, this feels nice, everyone else hates me. I'll talk shit with you, Brittany. So tough look, Bronwyn hears it.

Angie comes up to check on Bronwyn. And we get the story of the seizures comment. They went shopping together, or she was forced to go shopping with her pretty much, and brought Meredith up and was talking shit about her. So that's how they all fell apart. But that's the funny thing from Brittany's perspective, too. But why are you divulging this information to Brahma? Brahma doesn't like you.

You guys aren't there out of the goodness of Brahman's own heart. Like, oh, yeah, I'll come shopping with you for this cruise. Production Forrester, we all know that's how it went down. That's how it works. They didn't even use anything from that scene except for that little snippet of you talking shit on everybody. And Bronwyn making faces. And this is just Brittany wants to be. And look, maybe she's learning from Lisa.

This is how you get friends in this group. Is talking shit on everybody else? I don't know, maybe. But why would you tell Brahmin that and not expect her to turn right around? She doesn't like you. I don't know. And at breakfast, Heather leads it off, trying to squash the awkwardness. Look, it's going to be a fun day today.

We're going to the island. We're going to do some snorkeling. And then tonight, it's zombies night. Hell yeah. And then Bronwyn's trying to find a place to sleep. And there's also some shade in this comment. Obviously, she's pissed off about Brittany, just talking shit with Lisa. So she asked Mary, hey, you got room in there.

And of course, Mary's like, absolutely not. Yeah. Three's a crowd. Yeah. Go find somewhere else to sleep. and it opens up the door for Brittany stuff because we obviously watched her flirt with every deckhand and Captain Jason

the episode prior. So Bronwyn has a layup. She's like, plus, like, you're trying to bring somebody back to the room. I don't want to be there when you're doing that. She's like, no, I'm not. Like, oh, you sure? Then we get the cutscene of her trying to get Captain Jason to give her a tour, which was not even remotely close

to what she does later. because Meredith gets involved and brings up the fact while I heard that the girl said that Captain Jason left your room last night I don't know and she's like, why are you, what are you talking to me for? You're right, it's not worth it.

That's a really good point. I shouldn't be talking to you. It is a good point. But she, this is desperation at its finest. She calls or rings, I don't know what they do on a boat. She gets somebody to come to a room because the AC's broken.

Mm-hmm. And not only that, but the ACs broken, which to me sounds like a stew job, the captain of the boat comes down to your room and you're just, just so happened to be wearing a little tiny tank top. And you're like, oops, Captain Jason, the ACs, that's so hot in here. You don't think this man has been hit on by every single Bravo Lab out there, man and woman. You think that he doesn't know?

This was a little bit more, it was the start of every porno. In, like, the 90s. Honestly. Yeah. Maybe she's watching too many flicks with Jared. I don't want to think about that. I don't either. Yeah.

I immediately regret saying that. Yeah. But you know what I mean? I was actually trying to not be funny. Like, she somehow made it worse. I mean, she was already pretty rough. She was calling the one guy muscles. Yep.

Walking over to him as she was walking down the steps. She's obviously been flirting with Captain Jason. She's flirting with every guy on that boat. Oh, wait a minute. Is this a move? Jared's going to see this. no you don't think not in like my wildest dreams no this is not a move this is just brittany just had to clarify exactly what she does i just had to clarify and moments like this is when

i need brittany to like wake up a little bit because of all people lisa jumps in and is like he's not even interested in you like what are we doing here like leave it alone knock it off we shouldn't talk about people when they're not here that shouldn't happen we shouldn't do that to people why why is that your line especially after what you just did especially as what you what comes to light later about meredith that too all you're doing is talking about people when they're not there that's all you ever do yeah and then you somehow and this is the fascinating mind of lisa barlow is she somehow doesn't equate what she's doing to what it actually is like she doesn't put the dots together to be like, oh, this is what you mean.

I honestly don't think that she remembered even doing that. I don't either. And talking to Brittany about anything with Brahman. No, it's so second nature. Like, I honestly think if we put her on a lie detector, she would not actually fail the lie detector test because she doesn't remember doing it. Who's running the lie detector test? That's a good.

I don't know. I thought I had a name. Damn. Oh, you remembered his name? Yeah, weirdly. I had a name pop in my head, but I don't think that's what it was. Damn. Dan.

Dan. Sure. Why not? Good as any. The guy from O.C. You all know who we're talking about. Yeah. The fake lie detector actor guy and his assistant. But I don't think it would matter, honestly. I think it's so second nature to Lisa that she just does not remember even though. I agree. I completely agree. She assumes she did it, but she doesn't remember. And there's also nothing wrong with it. I don't think that she assumed she did it. I assume that she thinks, that was a confusing sentence. Yeah. I think she thinks that how it went down is not what people are saying to her. It's like, what do you mean? I was just repeating it. Like, I didn't say it. I love that you structured the second sentence the same way.

No, I said, think and think. I assume she assumes. And then you said, I think she thinks. Oh, because I said, now I'm confused. You said, I think she assumes. Yeah. Then I said, I assume she thinks. Oh.

That confused me. So I said, I think she thinks. I'm confused that you're confused. What are you thinking? Not a lot. I assume we should keep going. Obviously, that is all Bronwyn needed, because now the door is wide open, thanks to Lisa Barlow, and she calls out both Lisa and Brittany. You talked about my fucking daughter again.

We had a very, very clear deal. Kids are off limits, families off limits, stop digging into my shit, and you did it again. And you brought up the grandparents, which was such a major point of contention that we didn't speak almost for an entire year. I can see there are, I saw some people talking about this too, how Brahman did decide to make that part of the show. Sure. So, yes, it does open you up to it. But after reading the text message, she was being very heartfelt and nice. And she was trying to do the best by Gwen.

Here's the best route to go. It seems like Lisa has a good relationship with them. Maybe that's for the best, as if you broach the subject with them, then bring us along, and then we can try to figure this whole thing out. It seemed like a really nice and sweet sentiment And Lisa was on board You can't then use that against her No It doesn't make any sense

Dirty Yeah It's a dirty, dirty move And you don't get to tell people Not to yell at you Yeah When your go to is Raise the volume

And you fucked up You don't And this is what happens Every time she gets really called out With something She plays victims Like oh my God Why are you yelling at me

It's like run the tape Dude When you get into people's shit You yell at them You dig things up Like all of This is your comeuppance, in my opinion. And I honestly went into this episode, which is funny, I was like,

all right, maybe quick to judgment last week. Let me slow my roll, pump the brakes a little bit, see if we can get some evidence here, something to really, you know, nail that hammer into the coffin more. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nice. But this episode, the way it went, I lost that reservation. I was like, okay. Yeah, I lost it almost immediately. You know? Like she hasn't, as soon as she sits down with Brittany and starts talking about that she doesn't learn anything no she's not reserved she's not taking a step back she's not thinking about anything that she says or any of her actions so yeah she still deserves this that's still where i am i was there last week i'm with you over the last week i kind of wanted to see something different but if nothing is sticking and she's not changing or

learning anything then keep going just keep piling on i know and which i want the best for lisa barlow and i want the best for the show that's really all we want yeah i don't want lisa to get ganged up on week to week. I just need her to understand what's happening right now and figure out a way out of it so we can move past this. Yeah. But I don't know if she's capable of doing that, especially after watching this episode, especially when she says things like, I don't want to say anything. Like, I try really hard not to talk about other people. You have to physically try to not talk shit. Like, that's an issue. And if you're trying to not talk shit but still doing it, then what is that? It's an even bigger issue. What I was not expecting, and it's almost better that

Ange wasn't involved the night prior. Yeah. This would have gotten lost in communication, I think. Definitely. She's like, well, you said last week or last month that Todd was making out with one of your friends and farting the entire time. And Lisa's like, no, uh, not one of my friends. Like, she gets stuck. She's about to lie.

And then she goes, not one of my friends. And then she doesn't even really defend herself in her confessional because she goes right in and says, I know a lot of people in New York. and somebody that I know there. She says I'm from New York, and so I know a lot of people. It's more of the same. I'm from Philadelphia. I know a lot of people.

Yeah. So I know a lot of people, and I heard that this happened. It's not really a friend, but this is what happened. And I trust that person. Trust what person? The person that heard something

from another person? I don't really get it. A lot of this is getting lost in translation, and that's the big problem with Lisa, is that she says things like this that are a matter of fact. Yeah. This is what happened.

I heard it. But then you get down to it, and you find out, out where she heard it from. And it's from a person who heard it from another person, who heard it from another person who came up to me in a coffee shop. Yeah. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

You speak on it like it's truthful. And I know a lot of this shit gets murky with Housewise because you can just kind of throw things out there and see what happens. But you do it all the time. If that's your only move, that's a problem. Yes. Whisper down the lane is not evidence. That does not convince anybody that you're telling the truth.

And it's even more telling that, so this is after the conversation they had, right? This is the post, hey, we're not talking about Todd anymore. No, so it's not. She made it seem like it was. No, so the way that Angie broke it down because we do the rewind, whoop, poop, poop, go right back to the poster board thing. It was poster board night. After the poster board thing, they then went to the Vita Lounge, and then the next day or the day after is when she sat down with Brahmin. Not to play the semantics police.

She didn't technically agree to leave the kids and husband out of it until a couple days later. Well, she did say it. And she talked about Gwen this same day, so that's different. Yeah, but yeah, okay, technicality. Technicality here, she hadn't actually agreed with Bramwin to not talk about Todd. Doesn't make it good, though. No, no, it definitely doesn't make it good. It doesn't make any fucking sense, to be honest, because you're telling me that we went

from that poster board meeting to a night out at the Vita Tequila Lounge, had a great time, and you then immediately told Angie about this, talking shit on Brahmin, because I'm assuming Brahmin wasn't there, and then the next day you had that whole tip with Angie about pulling the fucking, the wolf stuff, the fresh wolf stuff off the shelves and saying that she's never been on a vacation and that she has to use other people's credit cards. You did all of that after you already spilled a rumor to Angie as if she's your best friend again? Yes.

She has so many issues. She's got boundary issues. I agree. Like, do you really need to get good with somebody and then spill some rumors and then the next day be like, you know what, I'm going to have an issue with this person? Yes. It's stupid. It's not bright.

Very dumb. Yeah, not bright at all. And if memory serves me, correct me if I'm wrong, but amidst the poster board TIF, was there not a similar sentiment of stop talking about Todd? Not really, no. No, that was the one thing that stuck out or stuck out, wow, stuck out to you? Stood up or stuck out. What is it, buddy? Stood out or stood out. Got me, man.

Couldn't tell you. No, we're getting stuck. We are getting stuck. No, that's the one thing that stood out to me was during the whole let's repair relationships bullshit at the end of the poster board meeting, she really, really poured her heart out to Angie. And then she got to Bronwyn and she's like, we'll just agree to disagree. Okay. So she didn't really get an apology. And then we had to sit down a few days later.

Got it. All right. That makes more sense. And she just doesn't help herself. No. Because she's saying all this, right? She's the one that said Todd's cheating on Bronwyn and then farting. which Mary is more concerned about the flatulence than...

Mary gets stuck on farting. She really has a thing with farts. She's got a lot of things with farts this season. There's got to be some trauma there. Yeah. You think like... Fart trauma? I don't know.

Maybe her grandfather husband, like Dutch ovens her or something? Maybe. That's all I could do. I don't know. If you don't know what that is, it's when you fart under a blanket and you put the blanket over your partner's head. Yeah, I'm sure everybody really appreciates that explanation. I mean, you know, just so you know.

Context. Yeah. Yeah, you just got to figure this out. Yeah, she's got a real big thing with farting. Yeah, I know. She even talks about it during scuba. I know. And she's talked about it prior.

Yeah, what's going on? I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I think she gets Dutch oven and she's not happy about it. She does. Yeah, that trauma. Yeah. PTSD from Toots.

I was trying to think of an acronym. I got nothing. Yeah, no, I mean, neither. But anyway, her big move in her confessional, her being Lisa, is to somehow say that this is Angie's fault. You're spilling the beans. Yeah. Well, she's not a trustworthy bitch.

Not going to do that again. One, yeah, you are. Because you always tell people things, even people that aren't close to you. And two, what do you mean? You did this. You said this to somebody that you then threw under the bus the next day

via the fresh wolf shit. Why would you put yourself in this precarious position? It just didn't make any sense. No, and then why would you blame Angie? She's not a trustworthy bitch. you have an open dispute with her. Why wouldn't she use this? She went to Meredith to tell Meredith

that you told her to go after her family. What makes you think that she's trustworthy? And why would she be trustworthy? I don't get it. I don't either. Nothing she's doing at this point makes any sense to me. No, and I said to Dev, while we were watching today,

I was like, are we watching, are we witnessing the fall of Lisa Barlow? Like, I just, I'm trying to figure out, and of course, I'm not saying get her off the show by any means. She's Lisa Barlow. She's great. I'm not saying any of that.

This is a speed bump, hopefully, that she's run into. I don't see any paths forward. I don't see any other way forward than I did it. Or super convincing evidence that she did not. Yeah. Like, what else do we do? I don't know, because I do think that maybe not at this point, because now she's in too deep and she keeps shooting herself in the foot.

Yeah. I think she could have gotten out of this. she could have easily gotten out of this if she took not all of it but copped to something yeah like just give them a little bit of meat and just say look yeah you know what i did go and seek out that person that worked at the jewelry store and i tried to get the information about your necklace i'm sorry it was just something i wanted to use break the fourth wall it's something i wanted to use for the reunion i wanted this big shocking moment that's all you really have to do yeah you're still going to have the witnesses of the world and bromwin in some way questioning all the things that you say because they're going to say you're still digging and doing the same shit. But for the main and the big heavy hitters and you don't want Meredith to come after you, but you already have Heather coming after you, Heather would back off quickly. Heather would back off very quickly. She just wants you to cop to something, but the more that you do and the further we get into this trip and you're still refusing to admit anything, you're going to get into a situation where you're not going to be able to get out of. That's what I'm seeing. Unless you cease all

activity. But that's what I thought she was going to lay low, which no. I don't know why. I don't know why you thought that yeah i don't know i don't know maybe i'm nuts but i was hoping that she would do that and then maybe pull heather for a conversation get to the bottom of it if she's gonna cop to anything to anyone she will do it in a one-on-one with heather yeah right so that was my hope but instead she gives a half-assed apology i will say though and i rewound it to listen to the tone of voice the tone in which she says sorry to bronwyn seemed as genuinely as I think I've ever heard from her? It seemed I got caught.

Yeah. Like, head down. You got on me. I've got nothing to say at this moment. I'm sorry and I won't do it. That's what I got out of. Which isn't sincere. It doesn't mean she feels bad.

It means she feels bad. She got caught. Which might be the best that we're going to get for Lisa right now. There has to be some level of I feel bad for doing this. That's the only way she gets through this. I don't think she's empathetic. I don't think she's empathetic at all. But I think that we have to get to that point where we actually, and we be

the cast, I guess, they have to actually feel that she feels sorry. Because right now we're not there. No, and I think the craziest part is the bar is so very low. It really is. And they keep lowering it and she keeps ducking under it. I know. All you have to do is get to like an inch off the ground with the dumbest apology ever. That's not the apology you just did.

Something all encompassing. And everyone will move on other than Bronwyn probably. But you can get out of this so easily. if you just recognize one time, just one time that you're not perfect. She truly thinks she's perfect and infallible. I've come up with at least 10 different ways in which she can probably apologize and it would work. And that was just in the last two minutes while you were talking. Yeah, I know.

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with the hat, which was good fun. That was one of the quick repeats of talking about because then it's like bang, we're on to the next scene. And it's Bronwyn sitting solo. And she's sitting next to her phone and you know she's sitting there going, I can't call Todd because Todd told me I can't call him about

this stuff, which is my point when she had the conversation with Todd. I understand what you're saying, Todd, but you're also leaving her out on an island, Todd. So she should be able to call you invent about it. They're on an island on a boat. Well, you know what I mean. She's on an island in the sea.

Yeah. Well, they do go to an island. Right, so I'm right. Yeah. Okay. I was doing a segue to the next scene. Oh, that would have been good, except I have, I have to point out the fact because this is, she's 100% correct.

The best way to get back at Lisa is to go and have a great day. You're 100% right. If you're unbothered, it's going to bother the shit out of Lisa. And it's going to double down immediately because you're now forming a friendship with Heather. A good friendship. And everybody seems to like you right now. Like, Bronwyn has found a way to just bounce back. And not only that, all of the shit that we heard in the offseason about the identity theft thing, it seems to be gone.

Yep, for now. They're not even, it probably will come back up. But if it doesn't, I really wouldn't be surprised. Like, I think she may have actually hurtled over that really quickly. And thank Lisa Barlow for that. Yeah, seriously. Like, we're not digging deeper into this because Lisa's losing her fucking mind, and she's going to lose her mind even more because, again, you're friends with everybody right now. Everybody seems to like you.

Even Meredith is loving you. I know. It's tough. She finally bridged the gap everywhere, and you're seeing that duo with her and Heather, which I love. I really like them together. I like Heather's confessional, too, just kind of talking about, I was really stubborn. I just wouldn't get out of my own way, but I don't know why I didn't, but I'm happy I'm here. Yeah, she said she was embarrassed for being so stubborn.

Unbelievable. And then you get Angie. going up to Bronwyn and saying, I'm sorry for not being more supportive of you. Yeah. She is winning the favor of everyone while Lisa is pissing all over everyone. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating. And they didn't even get stung by a jellyfish. I know. Wow.

It's fascinating. It's fascinating. I don't know if I would swim that close to Sting Rays. Do you think they were actually Sting Rays? You were swung with Sting Rays? You got to like really piss off a stingray to get whacked by one. What did Steve do? He was swimming over a school of them. Okay. And I think from what I heard,

Detective. He was in, it was the migration, I believe, because there's a great Stingray migration. Have you seen Finding Nemo? Yeah. That actually happens. Also watch Planet Earth, but yeah. Shit's real. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it is. There's a pull.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. But he was swimming over a migration pattern, I believe. Starled the top of the pack and one just whipped up its tail and it hit him right in the sternum, like right here.

And the only reason he died, which is really sad, is because he pulled it out. Yeah. He had left it in. It wouldn't have bled so fast, and he would have been able to be revived. Not to be this guy, but you would think that he would know that. It's too soon. Not about Steve. Is it always too soon with Steve?

Erwin? Absolutely. Yeah. It is. You know, because he's such a treasure. And now you've got his kids. That was funny. That was funny.

I was going to say you got his kids who are, you know, living on. living him on through them. They're doing great. But that was a good one. Good rebuttal. Nice job. So let's get to Mary and Lisa Barlow. This is also another reason why Mary is so great.

And I'm so glad that she was able to bounce back from her early seasons to give us the Mary that we have now. Because in, I think, most situations, she is always able to pull herself out of it and just give non-biased advice because Lisa's going to her and Mary is team Bronwyn. She thinks that Lisa's full of shit spreading rumors but at the same time that's not part of this equation

in her mind. Lisa's coming to her saying I feel like Meredith doesn't have my back. I want Meredith to have my back. And Mary's like, yeah. It's a very interesting move too to go over all of this shit like everything is burning around you and you're holding on to the one thing that seems to us that doesn't really matter

and you really shouldn't be attacking Meredith at this point but it's really the only thing that Lisa knows how to do I think I think it's the closest it's the lowest hanging fruit I can't really put out this fire above me but I do see something right in front of me and I can go after that and it's honestly it's very interesting too because I was wondering what the fuck she was doing yeah but she always talks to Mary very differently everybody talks to Mary very differently they don't do the same shit

and if Lisa's able to talk to somebody on this level and not do the normal dumb Lisa isms, you'd be fine right now because you could do this with Meredith, you could do this with Heather and everything would probably be okay, but for whatever reason she can't get out of her own way

unless Mary's there. And this was a very normal conversation because she had me believing it too. I'm like, yeah, I'm with you. And Mary even says, I think she's still full of shit, but I get what she's doing and what the fuck am I doing?

I'm agreeing with Lisa. Yeah. It's weird. But it makes sense. It's weird, but it makes all of the sense in the world. Like, we agree with her. Yeah.

It's just she has to be able to articulate it the right way to everybody else and to Meredith. I just don't understand what happens. And I think it's because she's scared of Mary. Yeah. I think that's the underlying theme there. But it's, it is this simple. Like, have a conversation with people. Right.

The only time we ever see that is when you pull somebody one-on-one away from the group or you literally pull them one-on-one to a different setting where you're having lunch together. Which is what I thought she was going to do. do with Heather this morning. Which she probably should have. She definitely should have, yeah. I'm also going to say that hangovers are probably pretty severe, so maybe we're in that move.

But I think it's pertinent to point that out, that she's capable. This shows that she's capable. Yeah. So when you see all the other bullshit going down, it's like, you know how to do it. Just for whatever reason, you can't do it with these certain people. You can't do it in a group setting. That's the one thing, because I do think that Lisa is the type of person that won't want to show any weakness to certain people

in the group. But again, you can accomplish all of these things one-on-one without getting emotional. Yeah. And she's just having a really hard time this season staying out of the way of her emotions. She just lets them creep in and then she explodes in way too many situations. She did it with Meredith

in the morning, and Meredith's your only ally right now. Literally, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you doing this? I'm the only one here. Yeah. Like, it didn't make any sense. So if she's able to sit down with Mary, I don't think that Mary's going to be very helpful full in a group setting, though, as far as allies go, because if they gang up on you again, Mary will just walk away.

Well, it's that, or she'll just say, like, this isn't my problem. This is yours. Exactly. She's going to be very cut and dry with it. She's not going to hold your hand through the whole process. And when Meredith comes over, I will give credit. The conversation translates to Meredith. Because the way that she's presenting it to, I'm like, okay, this makes sense to me.

It's level-headed. She's laughing about it. She's like, you know, sometimes Meredith, like, I need you to tap in. I'm like, that's fair. Makes sense. Meredith. Meredith has a decent rebuttal because she's like, I'm not going to tap in if I don't agree with you. But at the same time, we know you agree with her on things that you've sat idly by.

Yeah. So that doesn't really work. And I thought, Lisa, if you're able to do it with Meredith now, take this energy and talk to Heather. Yeah. Take this energy, leave Bronwyn alone and talk to Angie. Like the thing with Angie and Heather, more so than a Bronwyn, I think, I think Bronwyn's pretty far gone. I still think, despite Angie talking all the shit about Lisa, she wants to be friends with Lisa.

I agree. And I think if Lisa was able to extend the olive branch like this, as she's talking to Meredith, criticizing Meredith, but it still doesn't come off that way. I think Angie would be back and she'd be cool. I think she would move on. I know Heather would.

Instantly. All you have to just say sorry for anything. I'm sorry. It took Heather a long time to even get to the point that she called you out in front of the... Right. She will go right back into that hut immediately. You just apologize a little bit.

Yep, this much, and you'll be just fine. But I think that the bigger issue that's going to be for Camp Lisa is you're seeing, as we talked about, this friendship blossom between Heather and Bronwyn. They're both acknowledging it, which you make it even worse, because now they're going to get excited about it. It's like, oh, my God, I got a new friend. Yeah. They're going to do everything together. It's genuine, too. It's not just bullshit.

No, and I love, I love it. I think they're a formidable duo. I love it because this is one of the better, like, camp. housewives type of shit, where they're absolutely at each other's necks, there seems to be no way to go forward and then randomly they're friends. That's what I love to see. Usually takes a drunk trip. Yeah. And then you can find those friendships somewhere. And if it lasts, that's great. It's great for the show, honestly, because here's the difference in, I'm just going to paint a two-year projection. Okay. All right. So if Bronwyn continues at this

pace, I'm not saying she's going to, I'm not trying to jinx anything. I'm just trying to paint a hypothetical. So everyone relax. I'm not going to jinx it. I probably jinxed it, whatever, too late now. If Brahmin continues on this path, all right, and really finds herself in a position of power in this group, we know Heather to latch on to the powerful person in the group. Definitely. However, the person and persons that she's attached herself to

are the likes of Jenshaw and Lisa Barlow. You're always going to get burned with those two. So eventually there's going to be a big blow up in this friendship and it's going to fall apart and the group is going to scatter. Bronwyn is not that same type of person, I don't think. So if you can garner that friendship between the two of you, I don't see a falling out like a Lisa or a Jen Shaw. And then I see a galvanized group behind a core of Heather and Bronwyn.

I see Lisa on the outs. I see Meredith on the outs. I do think they're very different. So I do see some tiffs on the horizon. But it doesn't, like you said, it's not going to be the big blow up like we saw with Jen. or I don't even want to say that Lisa is even the same as Jen because Gem was the biggest blow up with Heather.

Lisa is a little bit different, but I agree with you. I don't think it'll ever be so cut and super deep that there won't be any sort of reconciliation. I also don't know if Lisa or I'm sorry, Heather and Bronwynn when as a core for this show moving forward works. I do think we need all of them to be friends sometimes and then all of them to be fighting at the same time. I agree.

I think that's the best way to work it out. But again, if they can be friends, that's great. because that's what we want to see. We do want to see them, especially on trips, come together and have fun moments, including Lisa. Including Lisa. Like, I don't want Lisa always on the outs, but right now she deserves it. I want her to be able to come back to the fold, everybody have some fun, and then everybody

fall apart. That's the best way to work for a housewife show. I agree. And when I say core in regards to this show, this show should always and forever be ensemble cast. We should not have anybody clear cut, the leader. Yeah. But I think if even the friendship aside, I just think. think that leaves Lisa in a vulnerable

spot if Heather and Bronwyn are able to become really good friends. Yeah, for sure. I think the rest of the girls will gravitate towards those two. Definitely. They're not going to gravitate towards Lisa Barlow talking shit about them. That's a good point. So, that's where the interesting thing, and wherever Meredith lands is going to be the most interesting thing to watch

because I don't think she knows where to go right now. No, she doesn't. But she's having fun with the group. I know, and that's the nice part. Like, this is, for all things considered, it's a fun trip. Yeah, everybody's pretty activated everybody's pretty involved at least to the level that we want them to be involved so it's working out really well yeah we're doing never have i ever game it lasts two questions yeah peed in the

ocean what do you mean who do is it possible to not pee in the ocean i don't know i always thought that your body just had a reaction immediately when you get in the ocean like oh yeah there we go yeah auto pee that's what i do now what about farts let a rip let a rip i mean here's the heart's in the ocean here's the thing. They shouldn't be in the same conversation. No, it's not the same thing. But also, for being honest here, what do you think you're swimming in already? Where do you think fish and whales pee?

It's different. Why? Different diets. It's like how they say baby poop is different. Baby poop is different. Yeah. So fish poop is different. If a fish eat fish, people eat fish, so no. I don't know. And they eat seaweed. Humans eat seaweed. I'm still stuck on, and also

Mary is too. Farts. Stuck on farts. Why? I don't know. She's fixated on farts. I don't know. Farts are funny.

I was about to say because they're funny. They're funny. Farts are always funny. Farts are always funny. I heard that middle school kids don't think farts are funny anymore. What? It's like the saddest thing I ever heard. What do you mean?

I don't know. That's not a thing. Some teacher went on TikTok and said, yeah, farts aren't funny anymore. Kid farted and nobody laughed. And then I asked why nobody laughed and they said, well, it's just something your body does. That's crazy.

That's, boo. We need to, like, have some sort of cycle. Now we have to start shaming people for farting. No, that sounds like a Ruth Conda forever. Yeah, it could be. I don't know if I believe that one. Farts are always funny. They should be.

I got in trouble in middle school for bringing a fart machine into class. And I stuck it under my friends, you know, I'm one of my friend, but I stuck it under somebody's chair. They had a little bellion. You're bullying people? I wasn't a bully. No. I didn't like pick on like, he was. I mean, I used to spray people to fart spray.

Oh, God, that's way worse. That shit doesn't come off. I actually was always very nice to people that didn't have a lot of friends because I felt bad, and I thought that no one should be mean to people. And you can vouch for me in high school. I was involved in theater, sports. I talked to everybody, and I was nice to everybody. I feel like you only joined theater, though, so you could put the fart machine under people's tests. No, so back to the original story, I stuck it under this kid's chair, and I was hitting it during a test, and the teacher found it.

and she took it, and then I did it one more time at her desk. Here's the caveat. See, but that's great. No, that was a good one. That's incredible. Yeah, but the funniest part is the fart machine was my mother's. And you know my mom, big practical joker. And she was upset when I got home because Ms. Emery took the fart machine.

Yeah. So my mom went to school the next time. Snitch. Into my class. It's a dry snitch. And she went up to my teacher. and said, do I have my fart machine back? Did she get it back?

She did. Okay, good. Then you got in trouble? By who? By the teacher? Because then they found out who it was. Oh, no. She knew who it was.

Oh, yeah. When I pressed the fart button, oh, you thought my mom snitched. Yeah. No, no, no. When I hit the fart button again, she was paying more attention than I thought. Gotcha. Saw me. So I was already, I got detention already.

My mom didn't get back. That's not too bad, then. She was upset about the fart machine more than anything. So she got it back. Don't worry. We cleared that up. Yeah, we got to the bottom of it. So let's get back on track.

And let's just get back to the boat. There's more beach shenanigans, but nothing too deep. Britney ate face. Oh, yeah, that's actually a good point. Brittany eats shit. Yeah. And Heather makes a joke. And this shows you the friendship that's blossoming

because she takes a little dig, but not to be mean. She does what you and I do. Mm-hmm. And she goes, never, ever fart of all making out someone too soon. And Bronwyn checks her back, but in like a fun way. In a fun way. Too soon. Go fuck yourself.

Everybody's having a good time. It's a good time to be a Roslick fan. So let's get back to the boat. It's zombie time. Heather requests Captain Jason Toplis during dessert. I actually thought he was going to do it. I thought he was too. I think that had the vibes been better.

Poor guy. The whole trip. Yeah, I know. He's tried. He's doing his best, but he doesn't want to be involved with that bullshit. And Bronwyn brings the costumes. Love that. So you get Angie.

She's fucking four of them. She was being a team player. A lot. Yeah. We need everyone to have a... I mean, they bring 16 bags. Yeah, I know, but she had the inflatable fish costumes, not like a zombie costume. They still fold down.

They don't inflate it on. But I loved those scenes because to me, that's three friends in a room. Do you real friends? We don't get that kind of chemistry. I'm pumped because, and I can't confirm this yet, but the trailer for next week, I think she gets Meredith in one of those things. Stop. I know.

I couldn't tell who it was. It's whoever her partner. in a crime is throwing it over, throwing Britney's I Love You, bear over, or unicorn, I think it was. Unicorn. Throwing it over the ledge. Whoever's with there, it sounded like it was Meredith's voice. And I'm very excited if it's Meredith.

What is Lisa going to do? Freaking spiral. Right? Like, there's no way. If you lose Meredith, Brahmin, you're done. But that's the other thing. Like, if I'm Meredith, and I'm watching this crew over there, have a great time.

I'm sitting in a dark room with Lisa talking shit about it. I would also, but I'd be very happy if it was Heather, because that's more of buying into it, and that would be great. If it's Whitney, that I would kind of expect that. I don't think it's Angie because Angie is traumatized. Angie's going through a lot. This boat has it out for Angie.

I know. She's not meant to be on a yacht. She is walking out of the room. I don't know what happens. Did it get stuck on her costume? I think the door shut on her. The door shut on her hand. Yeah.

But I thought that like the- She got stuck. Snagged it, right? Yeah. So the top of her seahorse costume got caught on the door frame. and swung it shut and then swung it shut and then she was stuck in the doorway and she smoked her face i honestly i was like fuck like this is gonna just put a damper on everything she popped right back up she felt great ruper then she pulls it out and it's just bleeding all over

the place i think her uh fingerdow came off but i don't know yeah it's it's wild times everybody's friends i know and she was tough as shit she was laughing through it like she did not let that damper the night and there's a lot of people on bravo that would have ended everything yeah and she powers through. I don't know if it's the booze or she's just a trooper. I think Mary was kind of secretly hoping that she was going to be going through it again. Yeah, let's just go take her dinner downstairs. Yeah. Let's get to the zombie dinner.

Mary, her glass is dirty. Let's send that back before we get into the dinner. We need Mary to have a clean glass before we can discuss this. I think that was kind of rude. We didn't need to see that. They could have cut that. Do you think that she was rude for sending it? No, I don't think she was rude for sending it back, but I think Bravo was rude for not cutting that. Oh, to make the, kind of fucking low deck people. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

You can clean their dishes? My head went to the episodes I've seen. I was like, that's not okay. No. I know how important every little detail on the boat. What's being the tip for this, by the way, Bravo? I don't know what the deal is with that. I don't think they should cover.

Probably Bravo has like a level of you guys are getting, well, they are already getting paid, but Bravo should have some sort of tip. And then on top of it would be, hey, guys, if you want a tip. I would imagine that the ladies of Ross said. Yeah, I would think so. I would hope. That would be pretty brutal if you don't. But we're just.

getting family updates, has everyone called and checked in. Heather hasn't turned her phone on. I love that move, actually. And Bronwyn mentions that she talked to Todd and Gwen, and they weren't too excited about the recap. I wonder if she actually did. I don't think she did. Part of me feels like she didn't actually do that. And the only reason I say that is one, obviously, she sat down and had that think back of Todd saying all of those things. But also she threw Gwen in there, and I don't really think that she would open Gwen up to that. I don't either. So I think this was just a little white lie just to get things started. I think it was too, which is a great move.

I think it's a good move, yeah. So she opens that door and they start talking about it. Heather's flabbergasted. She's like, oh my God, you told him? She's like, yeah, of course I told him. Because he's curious why he's always the butt of the joke, why he's always getting brought into everything. And this is the moment I was actually talking about.

The apology earlier did not happen earlier. It's now where I do think you're correct. I think that she is out of excuse. uses. She's caught. This isn't remorse. This isn't, oh, my God. I'm so sorry. I hurt your family. This is, oh, my God, I got nothing. I'm sorry that you caught me. Yep. And sorry you caught me, and I've got nothing to do at this point. And this isn't going to go away. Defeated. She's down defeated. I need to be able to, like, it's almost like something finally clicked. Yeah. Where, yes, I don't think she has anything left. And there's no reason to

try to drum something up to try to go after Bramwin right now. You're done. You're caught. It's over. It's almost like something clicked where she's like, maybe I should try this? Yeah. Remorse? It was just timid and quiet. Yeah. It didn't have the Lisa Barlow behind it that it was to. So I made note of that.

But it's not even a moment of like kudos to her where it's like, finally. But it was a better moment, I guess. And then immediately we get a confessional from her. And she's like, I didn't bring that up to Angie so that she would humiliate Bronwyn in public. Still passing the buck. How is this energy's fault? It's not at all. But she doesn't realize the damage she does to her own image when she does this.

And this is when I start to think about the psyche of Lisa Barlow. And I'm like, I don't think that you correlate what you did to what the impact was. Right. It's like somewhere in the middle, the actual situation is this. You talk shit. Or sorry, somebody tells you some shit. You talk shit. Person finds out.

this has happened so many times but in her head it's i heard what they said they're the problem right so get mad at them it's always someone else's problem it's either somebody who told me something it's their fault for getting it up or i told somebody and then they told you it's their fault for telling you so either she's pissed off because she's perpetuating yeah or somebody else perpetuated something she said right just because you're the person that doesn't say to the person face, that's worse. At least then you'd have some balls. I agree.

I don't know. It's really strange to watch. And nothing breaks the ice quite like Brittany getting up and throwing up. Yeah. She goes over and the timing was very funny. Heather's like, do you guys feel the boat rocking? Like, whoa. Heather was fucking plastered, lit.

And it was very funny because Brittany was very obviously getting sick. And Heather's like, whoa, feel that? Look at that. Maybe she saw it. Maybe she did and she's just egged her on. I think now that I think about it. That's a possibility. Yep. And she goes over, she tosses her cookies over the railing there and heads back. And I thought this was a wild move too. But this is the classic boot and rally. I was fine with this. Yeah, no, no. I was more, I'm not in any way shitting on the move. No. I was surprised that Brittany did it. Yeah. This is my goat. You remember. I was kind of funny too because, and look, there is something to say where if you're out drinking and then you puke, then you come.

back and start drinking again. That's a boot and rally. This was different because it was seasick, or at least it seemed like she was seasick. Maybe she was actually just that drum. Because they were drinking all day on the beach and the hot sun. It could have just been a little bit of both. But I didn't really see any issue with it.

It's funny that Meredith immediately points it out. I know. That is great because it's the same thing she did earlier talking to Brittany about what she was doing with Captain Jason. Yeah, with Captain Jason because she was there and she was able to talk on it. And she's like, you know what? Yeah. Why am I talking to you?

Right again. Same exact situation. Can't help herself. And no, the classic boot and rally. I was the king of those back in the day. I never threw up because I was too drunk. I would throw up because it didn't sit right. Right. And I wasn't the person that could just keep like gutting it.

I had to get it out and go back. It's like your stomach gets full of beer and then if the beer hits here, it kind of comes up to here. It comes back out. You are absolved of your sins. Carry on, sir. And in a strange pivot, but I kind of respected it, just because Meredith won't leave you alone.

She keeps doing things like this, like you just said, interjecting in situations that don't involve her, trying to make this seem like it's problematic you taking a shot after you puke. So I kind of get it. Granted, we did just have a conversation about husbands and children, but I don't really care. because Brittany goes, well, I just saw a TikTok. It's very concerning.

Very concerning TikTok about Seth and his infractions, infidelities. I don't know. And she's like, well, what are you talking? Obviously, Meredith gets amped up and activated by this whole thing. And then she doubles down. She said, you know, his mistress. I'm like, whoa. Yeah.

Britney. She really tore the lid off of that one. And we remember this because this was in the off season while they were still filming all of the Uber TikToks that were saying that there was an Uber driver who was driving Seth and his mistress in Ohio, of course, low-hanging fruit. We talked about that all last year in the reunion, too. There was something going on with a second family and all this other shit. And it was just one TikTok where somebody said, I heard from an Uber driver. More of the same.

There was nothing to substantiate it. But it's funny when that happens because we heard about all of that. And for Britney to be the person who's broaching the subject a year later, A year later, we all remember what happens. Nothing came of it. But Brittany doing it is infuriating to Meredith. Oh, yeah. It gets under her skin so bad.

And Seth goes to Columbus a lot. I don't know. I'm not here to comment on that part of it. I don't know who that Uber driver is. But I will say, this was a good move by Brittany. I don't think she was even intentionally making a move. She has no shame, though. It's very funny.

I know. It's like, let me just toss this out there. There was no segue. There was no setup. We've seen so many good setups and so many easy layups. this was nothing at all. It was like, Meredith, you're talking to me again? Oh, saw something.

That's cheating on you. Sating. Very upsetting. Also showed it to Whitney. I actually really love that Whitney chimes in and just says, yeah, I mean, I saw it too, but she showed it to me. It's a go, yeah, see? No one else saw it, but you showed it to her. And she saw it.

We all saw it. It's just eventually everybody saw it. I'm sure at that point in time, people had seen it. Well, yeah, but again, it's a year later. Yeah. No, no, I meant like in that current moment. Oh. Other people on the boat probably also saw it, but they're like,

Yeah, whatever. This is a... Rumors and nastiness. A moot point. But we do get to have a great Meredith moment. I love these moments. Every time they happen, we are in a monogamous marriage,

and you are a liar, you're malicious, and a despicable person. Yeah. God, it hits so good. It does. It always goes off. I know.

I love it so much. Look, everything she said about Brittany was true, too. Not wrong. Yeah. You want to make yourself feel better by coming after me because I'm in a happy relationship. Just because your boyfriend breaks up with you every single time that he wants to go

fuck somebody else, doesn't mean you have to put that on me. Very true. Very true. Not the Seth part. The sentiment is true. Everything that she said about Britney is true. Yes. Not, you know. Your podcast is called Hanging by a Thread. That thread's still active from

what I know. Doesn't instill confidence is all I'm saying. Thread hasn't broken. The thread, that thing is frayed, but it holds strong. And I thought the most interesting part of this entire scene, Lisa is silent. You've made these demands of Meredith earlier. Yep. This is what I need out of a friend.

Silent. She is still wallowing in her sorrow of having to apologize. I think so, too. I don't think she knows what's going on. I don't think she heard anything. Yeah, she's just got music playing in her head. Like, hello, darkness, mild. Because she had to apologize to somebody.

That's what's going on in Lisa's head. There's like mental rain coming down on a window in front of her. as she sits at the table. She's clawing at the window. Yeah, with Simon and Garfunkel just lightly playing in the background. I can see that. But the best part is Meredith takes off her,

she had a saw headband that looked like it was cutting into her head, and she throws that off onto the boat. I don't think, I think she was throwing it in her direction. I don't think she was throwing it at her. I don't think she was throwing it at her. But I do think she was aiming towards her. Yeah, just a dramatic effect.

Yeah, exactly. But Brittany's like, you want to throw things out? You broke a glass. on me last night, bro, you tried to throw water on her and she just blocked party. Actually landed on Bromwood. Yeah. What do you mean? She broke, that's not the same thing, but that also shows you how Brittany's brain works.

Yeah. That's, unfortunately. That's terrifying. You broke a glass on me. What? You accosted her. Yeah. That's assault, brother.

Not how that works. No, sure isn't. And Jason in this moment attempts to come out and sit down as Britney's taking the approach to Meredith of Safe Space. I'm not coming at you. I want you to be able to have an outlet in case you're seeing these things and you need to talk about it. Why are you being so mad?

She's a lunatic. I love the way she goes about it, though. I know, but Jesus. What do you want me to do? Do you want me to play this close to the chest and pull you aside? You don't want to talk to me. I got to talk to you in front of the group and I got to let you know what I saw. But I think she's kind of serious.

She is kind of serious. That's scary. She does really want friendship and she will do anything that she can. And she has a very twisted sense of how that works. And that's what we're seeing play on screen. It's fascinating. It's fascinating. But, yeah, Jason wanted no parts of that.

He's over two. He sits down with them, gets right back up, walks away. Daisy's going to go get his dessert for him. Yeah. Which is really nice. So thank you, Daisy. But that wraps it up. And we get some daunting scenes from next week.

This season is just. on fire. Fantastic. I don't know what to expect next week. That makes it even better. I don't know how Lisa Barlow gets out of this. But why don't we get to some questions and hear what our audience has to think about it. Ooh, from Love for Bills, 23.

Ooh, I don't mind the bills. Yeah, bills are fine. Why do you think so many people are buying Bromwin's fake act? She has things to hide. I think there's bigger fish to fry right now. Yeah, and what? You mean like the allegations? Yeah, maybe it's the allegations.

I don't think anything else is necessarily fake. Yeah, I don't get it. I mean, Lisa's talking about her husband and kid, and she's going to defend them. Yeah, that one, I don't, I don't understand that one. From Christine B.B.8. So if I'm following correctly, Todd has gout and gas, yikes. Yep. I think, but he's still a player.

Yeah. All in New York. Lisa is from New York, so she knows a lot of people. Definitely. This is a simple question from, this is Rachel Rose. Has Lisa lost it? It seems like it. Yeah, it's fascinating to watch.

We haven't seen this before. four out of her. We've seen blowups. We've seen disheveled Lisa. We've seen erratic Lisa. But she's able to somehow point that energy in a concise direction usually, or at least a general direction. Now it's just, it's

crazy. From out of office, Mama, how were Lisa and Heather able to act so normal the next day? I think there is some level of we've been on a housewife show. We know how these things were able to be able to do that. And again, like both did say

I love Heather, I love Lisa. We just want to be able to get our point across. So I think deep down, they're still friends. It's just they're in a high-stress situation right now. Oh, this is fantastic. From Full of a Tuk. Nice, name. Great Lord of the Rings reference.

Hell yeah. Want to hear y'all's ideal hungover breakfast on a yacht, steal from before times. Vodka? No. Before that. Um, my favorite to soak it up would be biscuits and gravy with like three over medium eggs. That's great. I bring this up just because I'm really hungry.

But I'm always, uh, bacon egg and cheese with a good amount of cheese on it. I mean, that's the classic, right? Especially being from Philly. Yeah. You get a good bagel, bacon egg and cheese. Oh, and get a hash brown and put it in there. Oh, that's a great move. It's a great move.

But yeah, mine was biscuits and gravy with three eggs and, uh, hot sauce. And two cups of coffee and a shot of vodka. from Heidi J. Rock, is Brittany completely clueless as to, I can just say yes right there, as to how these shows are made, example, cameras on 24-7. I think so, yeah. Yeah, I also- She's clueless to a lot of things. I don't think she's aware of the cameras either. I think sometimes she knows there's cameras.

I think other times she genuinely forgets that she's being filmed. She and Lisa live in their own world, but in different ways. Yeah. Brittany lives in some fantasy la-la land in between her two ears. And part of me wants to know what's going on up there, but a bigger part of me doesn't want to. And then Lisa, she is just so self-absorbed and seemingly perfect in her own mind that she's incapable of inward thought. Yeah, very good point. And last one here from K Sparkle K, does Meredith want to be on this show anymore?

Every time that we ask that question, she shows up. So I think she does still want to be on the show. I think that she just rests on her laurels for a while and activates when she needs to activate, activates when people mention her name or her family. And that's kind of just what she does. But I would say she does still want to be on the show. I think we just need to know what to expect from her. I think we know at this point because this is a common complaint throughout the years. This is not a new thing.

Yeah. She lays in wait, doesn't do a whole lot, but she's going to have some of the more iconic moments. Yeah. That's the reason that we quote her all the time. the rumors, the nastiness. There's five other lines you could say that are pretty much her entire season. She honestly, I don't really have a problem with it anymore.

I think when we first started covering them, we did because we thought that she could do so much more, but there's so many big personalities on this show who have come and gone. She doesn't really need to do a whole lot more than what she's doing. I think if she does more, it distracts from what we're doing. It's sort of like Whitney, honestly, in a weird transverse way because she, when Whitney gets involved, way too much. We don't want it. But when Whitney just

kind of hangs back and has fun with other people and then just drops in here and there, she's great. That's her role. This is Meredith's role, and I think people just have to get used to that. Yeah, and I think we expect too much from her. Yeah. But don't forget, she's capable of being one of the best ones on the cast. Yes. In certain instances.

It's few and far between. Timing is everything with Meredith. And if you're watching this show and you're not enjoying it, one, you're nuts. And two, a big part of that is Meredith not getting involved. Correct. So you can't have your cake and eat it too, as they say. But, yeah, I mean, all of our recaps are like an hour, 20, hour 30.

We spun up half the time because there's just so much to talk about. That is the sign of either a horrible show because our hate watches go long sometimes or a phenomenal show. This is the latter. This is how it should be on a housewives trip. There should be a lot of action and a lot of things to unpack. This is the most action we've had in a season. And we've had more in this season in five episodes than we did the entire season of Orange County.

It's a good point. So I had to take one more dig it. Yeah. Three more weeks of Orange County digs. And then two residual weeks. That doesn't mean that we're not going to keep digging into it. That's what I said, two residuals. Oh, yeah, but like even two weeks after that.

What do you think, though, is like four months? We still ripped that one season of OC. We still ripped that one season of Beverly Hills. This is worse than that one. Yeah, so. Yeah, it's a good point. It's here to stay. Yeah, boo.

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