Bros & Shows - The Finstagator- (WinterHouse, RHOSLCS03EP, RHOPS07EP04)

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

On this weeks episode the Bros finally get into Winter House. We meet some new faces among the cast and Luke starts this season off to a rocky start. Austen arrives at the house and we watch as the group repents. Then its off to Salt Lake City where Whitney and Justin are dealing with Justin being let go. Chris Harrington outs himself as the owner of the ShahXposed instagram page and we continue to see Heather blindsiding her friends with Angie H. Finally we're with the Housewives of Potomac and Robyn is throwing a Family Fun Day birthday party. Candiace and Gizelle continue to have issues and Karen makes it aware that she does not want to be near Charrisse. Ashley's separation gets leaked to the press and we have some theories on how that may have happened... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen,

I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one-and-only shooter Magouter. What's up, dude? Not feeling great today. Not going to lie. Big hangover podcast for the boys. We're filming a day later than we usually do because the two of us went to the Phillies game last night and watched a no-hitter for the wrong side. So not feeling great right now. I feel terrible.

We're on the wrong side of history, which obviously stings a little bit. Here's my biggest issue with the whole night. like had we lost okay fine like i could get over it there's more games to be played we're not out of it yet there was literally not one moment to cheer for the entire game like i didn't get to cheer once because we didn't get on base we didn't have any great plays in the field nothing happened i sat there i paid a lot of fucking money for those tickets sat there saw nothing so i'm disheartened not gonna lie at least i'm not hung over i've got that going for me shooter is sitting here with a smart water and some kind of energy beverage a caffeinated beverage.

Let's say, don't call it an energy drink, please. It's not an energy drink. Yeah, I don't know. We had a we had some back and forth with Chris Bassett. We are all now cool. We actually have something in the works with him that you guys will see coming up in the next month or two. So stay tuned for that. But yeah, I mean overall, like it's still a good time for Philly Sports.

We're still trying to get motivated for, you know, there's like two games coming up in about an hour and a half. So, yeah, it's, it's going to be a tough turnaround. Just stay positive. Yep. Positive Peters. PP. Pee, nice job. But before we move on from the sports, I have one bone to pick with you.

With me? Yeah, with you. And I'm really not happy about it. And I got into it a little bit last night, but I realized that there was no getting through to you at the moment. So I'm going to say it today. You made an Instagram post on your story before the game. Okay. You got to the game early.

You were excited. You were out there at like 6.30. You hit the Instagram. post and your caption on the post said prime weather for a blowout yeah fuck you that was your fault i was feeling it i felt it in the air you know how you get that sense when you're going into a sporting event and you're just like i think they're going to win i think they're going to win in convincing fashion that's how i was feeling yesterday and you're right yeah i got in there very early and there's not a lot to do in a stadium when you get there two and a half hours early and you pick a

spot when you get standing room only so we sat there and we had a few beverages you made a stupid try to make the time pass can you acknowledge can you acknowledge it was a bad post no for my sake no that's so ludicrous no no apologize that's ridiculous it's i i'm going to go out on the limb and say that it's your fault because there is no bigger way to get blown out in a baseball game that ain't no hitter it's literally the most blowout you can have so you might have felt something, but it was for the wrong team, and you shouldn't have said anything. So I'm mad at you. I'm mad at the world today. I had a long day to begin with. So like, look, we're going to turn it around on here. We don't want to bum you guys out. We know you're here

to laugh, smile. No, it was good. In my hangover state, I, you know, woke up in the morning, had some coffee, felt like shit, watched. Good. Watch Salt Lake to just start off the day, just kind of caught up with all the Bravo stuff before we recorded. And, you know, it kind of took me away from feeling miserable for a little while, which is nice because this is how we feel when we watch Bravo, especially when it's not Beverly Fucking Hills. We get to enjoy what we watch on the screen and we get to laugh and we get to feel things for people. And it takes you away from how miserable you were feeling maybe, you know, 12 hours before. Yeah, no, I'll give you that. I was watching Winterhouse today to catch up. And yeah, it definitely brought the mood up a little bit.

I was, I'm serious. I was grumpy as shit and I was sitting here kind of angry and then I started and kind of like make some jokes to Deb. We were sitting watching Winter House, and I did, my spirits brightened up a little bit. So thanks, Bravo. And you're right. And it's nice. We're going to have a little bit of a shuffle here today for this show.

And this is what it's probably going to be for the foreseeable future, at least the next couple of weeks. I know Winter House is only probably six episodes long in the first season was. So we'll do some Winter House. We got some Salt Lake. We got some Potomac. The news, as always, reported by the boys. And, you know, we're just excited to get into it.

Yeah. It feels lighter in here. You know, it definitely feels lighter. I'm excited for our first Beverly Hills free week. So let's get the Beverly Hills news out of the way so we can just move on from this stuff. And then we'll get to our Rose and Thorn afterwards. But let's start it off with Diana Jenkins. Apparently, her investigation is coming to a close.

They seem to have zeroed in on somebody that is responsible for the bots. Now, do you believe that this is true? Do you believe that she actually found a culprit? Or do you think she's saving face? And this is her investigation before. Marcel digs up something more damning against her. I think both can be true, and I think in this sense they are. I think that she did trace something back.

I think there were multiple people responsible for this whole thing. Diana could still be one of them by some way, back channel, whatever. I'm not going to say she definitely is. Don't want to get in a lawyer dispute. No, no, no, no. But, no, I mean, yeah, I think she's zeroed in on somebody, but it kind of sucks because you don't really get to put a face to the issue. So we don't even know who this person is.

It would be much more satisfying if it was somebody that we know because then that drama would be great. But instead it's just some guy who like lives in Northern California who has a beef with Garcel, whatever. But it does take you back and make you think. And we talk about it all the time. Bravo fans are crazier than sports fans by far. Like this, this length of whatever is going on right now does not happen in the sports world. And we always draw comparisons between the two because our two worlds colliding. I mean, it's just crazy to think that somebody had won this much time and this much

animosity built up towards Garcel to do this. So, I don't know. Diana, yes. I think she's saving face. I think she did find somebody that may have been responsible for at least a portion of it. But you've got to think that there's more here. And I really do hope that Garcel can come out with something because she's not commenting on it as it stands.

No, there was a quick interview with her on the red carpet at some event. And she said, you know, until my investigation comes to a close. Like, I'm not commenting on who did or did not do it. She's like, my investigation will tell me who did it. And as far as I'm concerned, that's the only investigation that matters. So I agree. I think we just need to sit tight and wait for Garcel to let us know what she finds. If she does, she may come to the clue.

She might get to the end of it and just decide to keep it internal. I mean. Well, Diana might have just found some asshole that was talking shit, like if that's in the comments. Yeah. Like, I do. I believe that there were people on that. thread that were actual people that are just bad people yeah i mean once they see a trend going they're like oh let me hop on this trend terrible trend to hop on the worst possible good PSA out there hey

you see a racist trend going on here don't join it and then the last beverly hills news is from our fave lisa renner herself the walking disaster she had a manila envelope at the reunion and she claimed on it like she posted to her story aspen receipts was written on there. Andy came out and said that it didn't have anything to do with Aspen. It was actually the receipts for the Elton John debacle from the beginning of the season that I totally forgot about at this point. Like we've gone so far away from the Elton John shit and that was a big deal early on. Remember that? Yeah. How light and fluffy does that seem compared to how dark this season got? I mean, it was it was also a good moment for Sutton too because Sutton really did

come with receipts and Renna was kind of caught off guard. Now she comes back with receipts. seven months later. It doesn't really make any sense. I did see something that said she supposedly had receipts from a text exchange with one of her friends who's not on the show that she was live texting during the Kathy thing. So whether or not that's true, if it is true, Andy probably would have kept it in, I'd imagine. I guess, but what is, that doesn't tell you anything. That tells you that one of Rina's friends and they have a text chain between the two of them, I don't believe Rina's friend. No, I mean, she was texting Erica too.

Like, yeah, that's, that makes more sense for the show. I don't really care about the other. No, and, like, I don't trust the credibility of anybody within Renna's circle. Like, Renna could have called her and been like, hey, let's go back and forth on this. Or, like, she might have just tried to stir the pot and just text horrible things to get a rise out of her friend. Like, I'm not buying any of that shit. I'm not buying what you're selling, Renna. No, never am.

Whatever was in these envelopes was apparently so benign that it got cut from the entire thing. And I do know from what we've seen in the reunion, especially, like, if there was damning evidence on there. I think it would have came out. Like, I really do. I think that Andy liked to stir the pot this year. I think he would have brought that to everybody's attention. I don't think that he's necessarily anti-Cathy, but he definitely was pro-drama.

So I think if there was something in those envelopes, we would have seen it. And then the funniest shit, ever since the Elon Musk takeover of Twitter, like his first goal is to just like banish all the bots. He's taking all the bots off of Twitter. Did you see what her follower count went from?

No, how much did she do on? 3.5,000. million to 620,000. That's awesome. And then she deactivated her Twitter with a caption that said, quote, unquote, my choice. That's incredible. I mean, I did see some people that they said that they woke up and they had like 40,000 less. But that's awesome. That's so funny. And I did see that's nearly three million fake users. Yeah. You know what that? I mean, now that we're talking about this, you know what kind of sucks? If Elon's going to do the whole verified you pay $8 a month to get a blue checkmark on Twitter, that's going to muddy the waters. And as people who, you know, we're well on our way to potentially just getting

that check mark. Yeah, I know, like a legitimate checkmark. It would happen that we're right on the cusp of getting this and being verified. And now all of a sudden fucking Cindy Lou Who down the street's going to be able to pay $8 a month to get her dumb tweets up on a verified Twitter. Like, that's going to be so annoying to me. By the way, if there's an account called Cindy Lou Who, that is Bravo, Cedric. We're not actually coming at you, Cindy. Louhoo. That was a generalized name, I believe.

Yes, yes, it was. So Cindy Louhu. I'm getting in the spirit, you know, I was thinking about Christmas and stuff, so I don't know. Yeah, well, we have a little announcement about Christmas later. Oh, yeah. The last thing we need to touch on is you brought this to my attention. Apparently Craig and Paige might be on the outs. Yeah, I, you know, a little detective work, of course. Page removed all pictures of her and Craig from her Instagram.

Now, Craig still has pictures and videos of her up there. So it looks like it could be a little bit of some rocky waters here. And we're kind of seeing that, you know, Steele and I have caught up on Winterhouse, we're kind of seeing a weird dynamic with their relationship and kind of how she feels about him. He obviously very much loves her. And it looks like that on Instagram. I mean, read into it however you want. Maybe she archived the pictures.

Maybe they got into a fight and she's going to pop them back up next week. We do have to get our Rosenthorn. out of the way and there's a lot of options this week there's a lot of comments so you start you go first all right so i'm going to start off with my rose and i love seeing this and i don't really understand it and you and i can kind of talk about it but this one comes from casey at kiss my grits 80 she said i've listened to the brabber's five latest episodes yesterday i started to listen from their first episode we love that we tell people to do it all the time love it listen now go back first episode so you can see us change and that's pretty much what she's talking about she says that

we can she can tell from the first episode who we were standing by whether it was Kyle and you and I being excited about Diana coming in we thought it was going to be electric is what we said and she points out that this is really funny to hear because obviously we change our opinions I guess the majority of bravo-centric podcasters or social media influencers don't change their mind ever they just stand by the same people and that probably gets a little weird and a little annoying for the people that are watching their content we're not going to do that no absolutely not i don't have the energy for that that sounds exhausting if i was going to sit here and try to defend somebody that i didn't actually agree with i know personally yeah that's

the thing if you're going to stand by somebody if you're going to like have somebody's back during something that's probably horrible, right? Like, we're talking really bad things, especially, like, the Beverly Hill season. If you're going to take a stance and be like, I'm ride or die for this person and they're doing stupid, bad, awful, mean things, I don't know. I will always change stances when we're presented with new information, such as the Chris Bassett stuff. Yeah, we're, you know, smart guys at the end of the day.

We're pretty smart most of the time. We're logical at the very least. We are stupid moments for sure. Oh, absolutely. If you listen to episode one and come back now, you'll realize. that we do have some stupid moments but so anyway my thorn this one comes from tic-tok sad bev 5605 oh my god bravros is this serious go to a hooters who the fuck like i didn't see that you didn't see that one oh my god like why i don't know like i've seen we talk about a little time we talk about

like straight guys talking about bravo go don't these guys have wars to fight and cars to work on like that's it was funny but it's like what the fuck like why what is this stereotype about men now we're throwing in the hooters thing if you're a guy that just goes to hooters and you just go there because you want to look at pretty girls walking around that's fucking creepy it's weird that's a weird and it's insulting that we were even associated yeah that we're lumped in with that is bullshit yeah but whatever yeah that's a good thorn I like that what you got for us so I've got kind of a different stance on my rose and thorn today because I'm kind of grumpy so they're all kind of thorns, but they're kind of rosy for you.

And since my rose was kind of a dig at you last week, I'm going to give you a little support today because you look like you need it, buddy. I definitely do. So up first, rose for you, thorn for me. And I hated that this became a thing, and it became a thing on TikTok, it became a thing on Instagram, even fucking Twitter. I couldn't get away from it, and it drives me nuts, but credit or credits do. From MailChic 74, okay, I have to say, do your TikToks.

I'm now, quote, unquote, influenced to listen to every one of your podcasts. So you've got to be able to call you influencers. Immediately, too. Rob Ha took you fucking eight weeks. We didn't have any listeners when I started Rob Ha. That's not fair. Immediately. I got a voice recorded message saying Robha, all right?

You don't have that yet. Actually, I'm going to give you one more that you'll be happy with. But second, Rosie Thorn. I'm going to call it Rosie Thorne. Because it's Rosie for you, Thorny for me. Okay, I'm going to say it. Shooter is influencing me to root for the Phillies

and the World Series and of course on Bravo takes so two influences here's your third I was at the gym today and one of our clients walked in the door who is one of our listeners

and she said and her first name's Claire so Claire shout out to you she goes influencers when she walks in the door and I was like God damn it it's in my actual life now I have to hear this stupid

so congratulations dude you got people to call us influence You feel good? I feel great. You feel good? And then my last one, my actual thorn, and that's just because this person comments on our stuff all the time. I'm not even going to read their name off. I'm not giving them that kind of credit.

This person goes, I feel like these guys are in such a negative state mentally that has become a lifestyle for them. It's so intensely unhealthy. It reminds me of a couple of old ladies that have nothing better to do than talk about the neighbors. It's Philly sports fandom in a nutshell. honestly yeah i mean you did describe our attitudes for the last 48 hours for sure but i would say generally we have a pretty upbeat temperament most of the time yeah i mean outside of beverly hills we've been i think pretty cheerful yeah i who knows i i don't know but you know to if you're gonna comment on every single video clearly you like us it's an obsession yeah you're obsessed get over

yourself That takes us into Winterhouse. It's our first foray into it, if you will. It's been going for three weeks now, but because of the reunions and everything, we haven't had a chance to dive into it. We're going to pretty much recap episode three, but we're going to run through, like, the beginning parts so that we're all on the same page here.

So you guys know where we stand and where we don't stand. Winterhouse Season 1, did you watch it? Yeah. Yeah. What did you think about it? A little messy. I mean, it's like an extended episode or an extended visit to, summer house essentially more or less every night is a party they're up until i don't know how the

fuck they do it they're up until like three a m and then they go skiing the next day and snowm i like i like snowmobiling but i can't imagine like and they're all our age if not older i don't know how they do it do you think it has something to do with the fact that they don't have to like do their actual day-to-day jobs or at least not like it is a vacation they're not waking up doing like nine to five yeah i mean there is and oddly enough there is a lot of drama when it comes to it But yeah, I mean, I enjoyed it because it's a nice little break from like how serious some housewife shows get. Yeah. So it's nice to like throw that on. We talked about girlfriends in Paris, how that was kind of a nice break from everything. This is kind of like the same thing. And I think this year is going to be a lot more exciting even for you because the Tom's are coming.

I know. I'm so excited for the Tom's to get there. Yeah. So it's, you know, it's good. It's like a little mash up, a little crossover episode. And it's only six episodes long too. So it's a nice quick show, get it out of the way. How sure are you that it's six episodes? The first season was. Okay. The first season of most shows are shorter than the... All right.

Can I just hope? Because fucking Beverly Hills was 27 episodes long. I just... I want it to be longer. I like Winterhouse. Well, they're only there for two weeks. So you get about two days an episode. All right.

What's the math on that? That's seven episodes. Boom. Let's go through the cast of characters a little bit. You got Jason showing up. with Jess. Jess is new to the show. Jason, he's returning.

You got Paige and Craig are there. They get there early. Amanda and Kyle are there. And then the other newbie Rachel, who I love. I think Rachel's great. Big fan of hers. Jason, I've always thought, I like Jason. Like, he's a likable guy.

He seems like a really nice, likable guy. Not a reality guy. No. You know what I mean? Like, he seems like a good dude. Like, run, buddy. Get out of there. But Luke is back.

I'm not a Luke fan. Never have been a Luke fan. I have a lot of qualms with Luke. I have a lot of a love-hate relationship with Luke. Sometimes I think he's funny. Sometimes I think he brings a good element, especially to Summerhouse, but not so far. No, he does really, really tough. It's a bad look, and he does kind of look like a fuck boy, so it's like, eh, not really feeling it.

And then the other newbie, Corey. Love Corey. You a Corey fan? So I initially with Corey, I was like, oh, boy, like, this guy's going to be the biggest fuck boy in the house. He still might be. However, the self-awareness factor is there. I will say the guy's got game. He does.

He knows what he's doing. He's setting up pieces. And if you're watching this and not thinking that he's making moves, everything he's doing is a move. And you're watching it in real time. But it's not overly aggressive. It's not disrespectful. Like he's just kind of playing the game and he's playing it well. He's setting himself up for like a couple of different potential relationships.

relationships in this house, and he's doing it by playing against the other guy's flaws. That's his move. So when Luke is being an idiot, he goes in there, and he has that weird car ride with Jess where they go to the store. And Jess is also, like, she kind of gives some weird vibes with Luke where she seems interested. They're in the hot tub. She does say, like, no, I don't want to kiss you.

Luke takes this upon himself to be like, oh, I've got a real chance. And then turns into a total stage five clinger. he's all over, he's not reading the body language, which is shocking. The fact that you can't look at this girl and see her, like, cringing away from you and huddling up into a ball to not have you rub her back is alarming. And he's also, like, Luke never strikes me as like an over-drinker. Like, he never gets hammered to the point that Kyle does or Craig does. And he always seems like he has his wits about him.

And maybe he is really drunk and he just holds himself together a little bit better than the rest of the guys but to not be able to see like it was tough like I'm not going to lie I had to pass forward through a little bit of it because I was like this is really uncomfortable yeah I honest I agree like watching it was I guess that was night episode two it was episode two it was like late night and Jason was giving Rachel a massage yeah right and then he thought okay here's my chance to go give jess a massage here's the thing and they even commented on on the show I don't think that he's a bad guy I don't think the intention is malicious. I don't think he's trying to be gross. I don't think he knows. I really

don't think he knows. Completely missed all of the signs. Yeah. And like when she's going over the next day, she says the same thing. I don't think he's a bad guy. And Amanda's like, yeah, he literally can't read any kind of social key whatsoever. And to Luke's credit, credit where credits do always, he calls Kyle on like this most recent episode and they're kind of jumping around. But he says to Kyle like, am I that guy? Am I creepy? Because I need to know that because that's not cool it's not okay so like he has self-awareness enough and he does say a million times in the first episode that he's going to therapy it's the first thing he intros with is i'm going to therapy good for you weird way to bring it up but good for you um but he's doing all this work on himself

and initially i thought okay he's using this therapy thing to like he's throwing this out there early to try to be like oh look at me i'm bettering myself i didn't actually believe it until that scene with kyle on the phone i was like okay if he's actually asking kyle Like, hey, is that a flaw of mine? Because that's something I really need to work on. Okay, he's actually self-reflecting. And I did feel bad when he goes to his room by himself and he's crying, talking to his sister. Yeah.

All of those moments I felt for him. And I've never felt like that about Luke in the past because I get really stuck on the fact that he always claims to be this outdoorsy, like macho man in the wilderness. And every single activity that he ventures out to do in the wilderness, he does 25% of it. the igloo never got finished. Earlier in that same season last year, he went outside to chop wood. The dude got the axe stuck in the log. He's swinging a log around the driveway like an idiot. He went to tap the trees to make maple syrup, whiffed on that.

Like, I know what he's trying to do. I know the image he's trying to portray. He talks about being outdoorsy every fucking second. But if you're going to talk about it, be about it. And he's not. Well, what did you think when he was originally talking to Jess, him talking about being a producer? and an actor but he doesn't act but you know i don't i don't say that i'm an actor but like i do act and i do produce like i'm not really a producer but yeah i do produce and i'm doing this

this whole piece and it's just like what what are you trying to do well by the way it worked like a charm because she goes he's a movie producer oh yeah actor he's this he's that this is the problem with jess and we see this time and time again with every reality show everywhere i mean not even just Bravo. She came to Winterhouse because Jason DM'd her on Instagram. Yeah, three months prior. And it was just like, hey, you know, if you ever want to meet up, whatever. She ends up going to Winter House.

Like that's a little star for attention. You see that time and time again. She doesn't really bring a whole lot to the show. I don't really think like the girls are meshing pretty well, which is good, at least for now. Usually when you get. And we saw this last year. Yeah, we saw this last year too where all the girls like there's a couple of new ones in there. and I miss Andrea, obviously.

I miss Andrea, too. You know who else I miss? Who? And it's not winter house related, but summer house since it's the same realm is Alex. Oh, God. Alex brought nothing to the table. But he was so nice.

So what? He was just a nice guy. Yeah, well, he didn't fit in. That was my Jerry Seinfeld impression, I guess. That's pretty good. But, I mean, and you do see it, like the girls are kind of meshing. And Paige said it well, I think, with regards to the Luke situation. She said, look, like, you showed a little bit of interest in the beginning.

that for any guy is going to strike them as no matter what happens like she showed a little bit of interest in the beginning so like i can always get that back i'm worried right now and maybe we'll see this play out tonight i'm worried right now that luke still does think that he has a chance with just even though they had that very awkward uncomfortable situation that she rightfully so she did have the conversation with him and he asked to say something afterwards and she's like no absolutely not that's cool with me i'm fine with that because she's the one who felt uncomfortable well, Luke saying anything afterwards isn't going to help anything. So whatever.

But they have that scene right after where they're on the rink and he's like teaching her how to shoot a puck. I have a feeling that Luke's going to be like, you know what? I'm not out of this game yet. So that was my same thought when I saw that. Again, credit where credits do in the past, because this is not like the first time this has happened with Luke where he has overreached and thought that he was more in than he actually was.

when it's addressed, to his credit, he does tend to pull back and create a friendship. If he looked at, like, his situation with Hannah Burner for so long, like, they seemed to be a thing and they weren't a thing, and then, like, they were always kind of flirty or whatever. I think at some point that was, like, laid out, like, okay, this is a friendship, and he was just friendly. Like, I didn't see creepy shit happen after that.

I think that he can take not social cues, but actual verbal cues. Like, hey, stop it. I think he does stop. And I think that if we see him getting some, positive reactions out of Jess and like having good interactions with her and not pursuing it will again show actual growth in Luke so that's his chance to kind of redeem himself I guess it sounds like you like Luke I don't I really don't I don't but I will always defend people for what I think is like the right stance okay okay but I don't like him I think that he's annoying

he reminds me of somebody I know that I'm not a huge fan of so like it's just by the way it's not me, by the way. I don't claim to be an outdoorsman, so it's not me. It's not a shooter. And I won't say their name on the air. But that's one of my biggest holdups with him, honestly, is that he reminds me of this person. I'm like, ah, boo. It's not his fault. It's a little too close to home. It's not his fault. But, I mean, overall, I think we're, we're pretty good. We're excited about Winter House. We're excited that Tom's are coming in this next episode. It still seems like so much fun. I do think, I mean, we're going to get to dig in a little bit to Um, Schwartz and Katie's situation.

I try to kind of feel like where, where they were in February. Um, so that'll be nice to hear a little bit of Vanderpump action. But overall, I just hope it's a good time. I hope it's fun. I think it's going to be. I don't know. Every time that they like, they bring these new people in and then they hook up or you get like Austin and Sierra from last year that spills over to Summerhouse and it ruins the whole

fucking show. Oh, I have a question. What? So what, where, where are we in the timeline of Austin and Olivia? they are pre reunion yes this is pre summer house reunion okay so they're in the talking stage they are talking about olivia when they say that he's he's got a girlfriend or he doesn't yeah he doesn't call her his girlfriend that's olivia so it's pre southern charm reunion yes okay cool it's southern charm i believe would have already wrapped before winter house but they didn't

but they didn't do the reunion until let's say sometime in the summer okay all right that was just about that. I didn't know how I'm right. Fuck. Now I'm all, this happens every time. We need our flow charts. I know, we need flow charts really bad. But these shows like, now I'm thinking maybe Southern Charm is filmed in the spring and then they did the reunion

in the summer. And then Winterhouse after? And then Winterhouse was actually before all of that. So now I'm just, I don't know. Well, if anybody knows, if anybody knows, let us know because we don't know. But I mean, the biggest drama from this episode was the Luke stuff we kind of covered that um there's a couple things I want to touch I thought the speed dating scene was incredible I think oh that every cast should have to do a

speed dating thing well we saw it in real girlfriends Paris oh yeah the speed dating the thing was awesome that's right by the way I hope that people like watch that because it's still great if I don't know if you it's over to watch it yeah but it was it was a great season it did the ratings did go up towards the end of the season it did okay good people started to realize that it was a good I would love to recap season two in depth, because I love that show. But the speed dating scene, I thought it was hysterical to hear those questions, to hear the responses. You got the Kyle one where, like, he faked it with a girl, which, yes, that does happen. Yeah.

Well, he said he spit on her past. But I think the Corey thing was the funniest. He was like, yeah, this guy wanted me to bang his wife. And then she was like, what? What happened? I think, I was just stood in the corner while I did it. like did you enjoy it he's like yeah it was weird but yeah i enjoyed it are you censoring yourself from like the main thing he said yes you are do you want to say it i'll say it yeah because again

here's the moves that he does and this is what led me into the luke conversation earlier so here's the corey moves for those of you that are not picking up what he's putting down the move by getting in the car with jess and being like both of those dudes would bang you in a heartbeat if you gave him the chance and she's like what he's like yeah that's him playing like i'm not interested i'm just going to sit on the sideline and be like oh my god that's crazy that these guys would be like that forthcoming with you ha ha ha wink like that's a move and it works and then fast forward to this moment where he's like yeah it was weird you know the guy was in the corner and like i was banging his wife and i made her squirt like oh yeah i did actually forget

it was just really weird and by playing that he was uncomfortable with the situation means that he's not a creep but one he's very sexually capable and two he's into weird shit which struck her fancy she goes wait sit down he knows exactly what he's doing he's playing the game really well and i'll give him credit where credits do man i've said that a million times this episode but i think that we are going to get a lot of drama this season and it's going to be corey centric okay i can see that as long as he keeps his cool i'm fine with it if the girls are like fawning over him and they start to fight with each other that's fine by me but i just don't want because i do like him and we need like an andrea type of figure in this

house and without Andrea being there, this is really our best chance. So he does step into that role. Yeah, as long as he doesn't lose his cool, he doesn't get into a fight with one of the other guys, although that would probably also be fun. I don't know. I like him. I hope things work out. I do like that he, speaking of working out, held a hit workout at one of the, by the way, this

is, that's the best brewery. Hattie Topper. Yeah. I'm an alcoholic. You don't think I know fucking Hetty Topper. Yeah, but you always give me shit when I drink IPAs. You're like, oh, dude, fucking Coors plate doesn't drink, bro. Oh, my God.

God, now that I have a platform, let me say this to the world. Nobody likes IPAs, okay? It is an acquired taste that you still have to choke down, like, bitter alcohol and claim, like, ooh, this one has hops in it. Ooh, this one's citrusy. Like, shut up and drink a Coors Light. Oh, it's water. No shit. It doesn't taste bad.

You just said, oh, heady topper. Hetty topper is ranked the number one beer in the world. It's an IPA. I understand that. I have respect for being claimed the number one beer in the world. I will give respect there, but I will not sit here and claim that when I went to bars back in the day and got an IPA, they're like, oh, this is like our fall special. Oh, it sucks.

There's too much cinnamon in it. I don't know what you're going for. Why is it pumpkin? I don't want a fucking pumpkin beer. Pumpkin beers are great. Pumpkin beers are not great. Do you drink pumpkin lattes? No.

All right. Well, are you even that much of a thought then? Look, I can get as thotum as the rest of them. Don't even get me stuck. I don't know. I got a box of pumpkin cookies over there for my grandmother. If you want to have one, they are exquisite. We'd love to have one.

I'll give you one out to the show. They are really great. But yeah, I don't sidetrack me. I want to get this out there. I don't think that anyone genuinely likes IPAs. I think they like the look of drinking IPAs and they like being the IPA guy. They like being the person that goes, oh, I'll take an IPA. This one's crispy.

Shut up. again not much happened austin's in the house i'm sure something will pop off there he is doing his best to repent for his sins which i appreciate i do now do you think that he hosted this whole fucking party just so he can put sierra on the spot and say do you forgive me well that was the problem dude he never said i'm sorry no no he said do you he said i made i made a really bad mistake and do you forgive me yeah not i'm sorry do you forgive me no that's a very big difference i just don't i mean we talked about it in summerhouse i don't i don't really like Sierra to begin with so not that i think austin's actions are inexcusable or excusable that's

fine i just i hated their dynamic i really don't want to rev that one up again leave it alone let's move on because it bothers me when it happens i don't think we're going to i think that that one's pretty clearly done especially if he's with olivia at this point and olivia would have brought it up at the reunion if that's how the timeline is yeah he made a mistake in the winter house so i don't think we'll see that and then the last thing oh wait no that actually confirms the uh the timeline right does it yeah because they did reference winner okay yeah winter house did reference when sierra went to charleston that's right so that did happen all right thank god all right we're on the timeline we're good we're back we're back baby the last thing craig's out of control oh my god he's having a really

tough showing it's hard to watch and i will say this for so long in summerhouse we watch we page crucify Kyle for everything that he did a lot of times he was right like a lot of things he was saying were correct his approach was terrible she had no issue calling him out making him feel stupid making the whole group look at him like oh what a piece of shit Craig's doing the exact same like literally to the T same behavior as Kyle arguably more rambunctious he's like stomping on tables he's like telling Amanda she's stupid for cleaning up broken glass Amanda still doesn't really lose or shit on him. She tells him to, like, go away in that moment. But overall, she's pretty supportive

of Paige. In the meantime, we look back at, like, flashbacks of Kyle acting up. Page is mean to him. She's mean to Amanda about it. I hope that she can use this as like a come to Jesus moment where she sees like, oh, wow, I didn't have Amanda's back at all during all this. And she hasn't once thrown Craig under the bus. She's more trying to help her cope with all of his shenanigans. Yeah. And I mean, I do think that Amanda and Kyle, and they talk about it a lot, since they they've been married. Things have gone so much better. And you can tell, I mean, this is the element that you're going to be able to see the change. I mean, she talks about how he's not as crazy or like hard to control and he doesn't have a hard time like controlling

his emotions and he opens up a little bit more since we got married. That's all well and good behind closed doors in your private life. But when you're in this situation, can he still control that? Can he still open up? So far so good. So far so good. They're lovely. By the way, power rankings right now? They went back to the top. They're number one. Kyle and Amanda are number one. Yeah. So good for you guys.

We don't even know if Paige and Craig are together. Paige and Craig are, they went from number one to maybe not even there. And they're kind of tough to watch in this show, too. It's not great. Who takes a meeting in the middle of a house? Yeah, and I like, I get it. Like she did announce to everybody. Hey, I'm doing a Zoom meeting.

I don't care. But it does, you're on vacation. You're on vacation. A lot of people who have been drinking for three straight days who are hungover or still drunk or whatever, just not a good call. go to your bedroom go to your what do you need to be in there that's going to give you any different thing going to the bedroom unless you just want maybe this is a hot take maybe you just want people to see like ooh pages on a meeting like must be important she's important I she I think she

has that image problem where she talks about it people think that what I do for work is like me playing pretend I think she wants to show people I'm not pretending this is a real job who look at me and then she gets mad when people interrupt her meeting like you did it in the middle of the room with 15 people there, I know it's not 15, but still a lot of people walking around on vacation, dumb look. I just, yeah, exactly. And I think that part of it is that she wants people to know what she's doing. And look, she is successful.

She has been on Access Hollywood with her like styling and she's starting a clothing line with Amazon. Like, yeah, that's great. That's awesome. Good for you. But you don't have to take the meeting in the middle of the house to prove a point and then get Matt at Craig. What are you those? I love miniskirts. like yeah of course you do buddy settle down good for you Craig from the top rope yeah go back to bed

go back to bed Craig you look like shit but that takes us back out west we're with the ladies of salt lake formerly of Scottsdale how are you feeling about the season so far um it's okay it's a nice change up um not a lot going i mean this episode was a little slow yeah not a lot happened but i mean we can focus on a couple different things. It is funny seeing these characters come out like Chris Harrington or just like the people that Heather brought in to do the choir. By the way, Chris Harrington is such like a braddy villain name in my opinion. That's like if I'm watching a movie and there's a high school bully, it's like, oh, that's Chris Harrington. I think that was the, I think that was the villain in Brink. Was it? No, I just made that. But see, it sounds believable.

100% could believe that. Love Brink, by the way. Go back and rewatch that if you haven't. No, I mean, I do like it. And I'm still eating shit from saying that I liked Whitney in the first episode because she's just turned completely. I really do not like her at all. I feel bad for her husband. I feel terrible for her husband. It's just here's the thing. And I wanted to look into this.

I couldn't really, I kept hitting dead ends. So he lost his job. So we're going to talk about this. He lost his job. And it sounds like he lost the job because of Whitney being a public figure. And more specifically, they're. sex art thing that they did last season. Yes.

I get it. I understand that. Do upper management people in business all over America do shady and sketchy shit behind closed doors? Yeah. Keyword behind closed doors. So it is a little different. I wanted to see if his company was tied to the Mormon church, which it could be.

It has to be in some way, shape, or form. And if it is, then I get it. Well, that's what the, like, I was trying to tie together. what conflict of interest meant it has to be because a conflict of interest would imply that they're working with somebody else that him being tied to Whitney would be an issue or something along those lines so for me conflict of interest there says sex art does not line up with the Mormon church beliefs not only that but she's also leaving the church that too so that could be part of it that's why I wanted to figure out if it was tied into the Mormon church which a lot of things are

in Utah if she's leaving and then they have obviously this footage of him doing what he did last year, that's an easy, like, all right, Chris, like, we're going to have to move on. So you think, all right, Justin, we're going to have to move on. You think that the real reason is because she's leaving the Mormon church and they're using the sex art as like their scapegoat. Like, this is an easy tee up. Ooh, I like this. I think that it's, I mean, it's a lot like Heather writing the book Bad Mormon.

She's on a public, on a reality TV show talking about how bad the Mormon church is for her and how she's leaving and she's blasting it out there. her husband who I don't know if he's part of the church or wasn't or whatever but it's an easy scapego to be like oh here last season you did something that we don't really want our executives to do I mean he was the head of sales for this company he's going to be fine he'll move on to another company and whatever now does it suck that Whitney probably blew all of your savings to do this whole rose beauty line that apparently didn't do so well wild rose yeah do you know that for a fact yeah it didn't do well oh If it did well, they'd be fine. They wouldn't worry about things. As soon as he loses his job, she goes, he makes a lot more money than I do. I'm worried about the kids' soccer games and this house and everything else that's going. It was the second thing she was concerned with.

And, I mean, we see the same thing with Jen Shaw. Like, she's obviously going through it. She's worried that she's going to lose that whole lifestyle. And we're watching her go through that every day. And it's great. But in this situation, it's just tough to watch a guy who, like, It's collateral damage. It's collateral damage, and my biggest problem with this,

she very quickly makes it about her. Oh, immediately. Like, he just lost his very, very big job. It's a big deal. This man has not cried since his father passed away, and this brought him to tears. You immediately say, this is just because they don't want,

like the Mormon church doesn't like a woman in power, it doesn't like women to be successful. Like, this is a slap in the face to me. It's like, no, no. let's look at let's break it down pragmatically let's look at this from a logical standpoint okay is it grounds to terminate somebody because of something they put out on social media such as the sex art thing yes should it be no but would a company relieve somebody of their duties because of that yeah I believe they would at the very least they'd give them a warning and be like hey you know

if something like that pops up again please don't do that yeah this is bad look your whole life is on reality TV so they know where you work they know who you're representing, this is not how we want to be represented by one of our senior sales guys. Like, no, that doesn't make any sense. Correct. Period. And when you do tie in the potential tie-ins with the Mormon church, then yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense, logically speaking. Okay. So no, it's not about you. This moment's not about you. And you say that you're proud of that art expo that you did, which fine, great. But maybe that's not the right time to be like,

I stand by it because that's got your guy fired. And he. is a mess right now. So let's give him a hug, a pat on the butt, tell him it's going to be okay and move on. And then the next day, maybe you can go in and say, I think this is because they don't want me to be successful. If that's your stance, fine, whatever. But in the moment, like, be there for your husband. Yeah.

And I think you can kind of see that, too, the next day when she goes and does yoga with Lisa. And Lisa's like, look, you guys are going to be okay. He's a great guy. He works really hard. This is going to be, it's going to be a roller coaster, but you're going to be fine at the end of the day because he's going to find another job and you're going to love it and by the way that's supportive that's what you want whitney to say to him in that moment like look this sucks i'm so sorry that like my right now my image and what i do on my show is affecting your life and

our lives because that's how we're financially stable that really sucks i'm so sorry that this happened but look like you're really good at your job anyone will be happy to pick you up you're going to find a new job you're going to land on your feet and we're going to be okay it's just going be tough right now. Say that to your husband in the moment. I'm going to clip that. I'm going to send it to him just so he knows like, hey, we feel for you, buddy. We got your back, bud. We got your back, man. Because by the way, I like him a lot. I love him. I think he's great. I think he's a great house husband across the board, across all franchises as far as like Salt Lake husbands go. This guy is the king of the house husbands. He's so above and beyond.

We had another moment where I was like, wait, I thought these house husbands were just absolute robots. Apparently, John Barlow said to Chris Harrington at, again, a fucking jazz game. Why do these people go to jazz games all the time? Apparently, the jazz games lit. I guess there's not a whole lot to do in Salt Lake, so you just go to jazz games all the time. We got to go to a jazz game. I think we have to. Do we have to give any blow jobs? I'll give it over the pants handy to go to a jazz game. Absolutely. That's exactly what Heather said. But then you hear the John Barlow told Chris Harrington, go fuck yourself. Yeah, get the fuck away from me. I could not see him doing that. I couldn't either. He's a robot threw a,

through. Same with Seth. He had two good moments. He had that. And then when Lisa was trying to get warmed up to go try out for Heather's choir, he pretty much pulls a stepbrothers and he's like, you're off. That's so off. You're totally off. Like, for him to look Lisa in the eyes and be like, oh, no, that sucked was awesome. I was like, this guy, I don't know, J.B. Husband boss might be a little more in depth than we thought. Probably not. I still think he's a robot. But, you know, a couple shining moments for him. So I did appreciate that. But we can just jump right into the Chris Harrington thing.

Them sitting down, it felt forced. You get Angie Harrington and Meredith sitting down. And Meredith is everything that she's doing now is almost in spite of Lisa. And it's like, you know, I never really got close to Angie before because Lisa didn't really like her. So it kind of held us back. But now, you know, I think we've got a lot in common. Like, fuck you. You just do this because you're mad at Lisa. And the producers thought this would make a good scene. Yeah. You guys have nothing. nothing in common. There's no substance to your conversation. And then you get this guy who

Jen Shaw called a fat fucking elf on the shelf. Chris Harrington sitting there and giggling and he's like all over the place and just decides out of nowhere to be like, you know, I am 52 years old, but I had a very immature moment. I started a Finsta. Like he said it's so nonchalant. He said, judge me later. But ha ha, I started a fake Instagram. had an immature moment. He was on that page. I bet you that page is still active, honestly. No. She's, she pled guilty.

It's called Shaw exposed. Oh, well, if there ever was a time for a resurgence of Shaw exposed, it would be right after she played guilty. Absolutely, because everybody is pissed at her. But he sat there and said, oh wow, it still is up. He had an immature moment. A moment does not last several months of you

commenting randomly and trolling all over the place. That's like your new job. I think the funniest part to me was that it wasn't even like a Jen Shaw related page. It was about like going after Lisa Barlow mainly. Yeah. I think there were some Jen Shaw post as well. But like the main premise was to get back at Lisa.

And then Jen even says like, then name it the Lisa Barlow page. Don't name it Shaw exposed. She takes it a step further and says, now you're coming after my whole family. No, they're not. No one sees Shaw exposed. Yeah. No one sees Shaw exposed and thinks, oh, the whole Shaw family. They think Jen Shaw because you're a felon.

So let's not get things crossed here. Yeah. But yeah, that whole moment was... Well, that's actually a really good point because she wants to make everything about her all the time. But now that this is very specifically about her, she wants it to be the whole family. Yep. She doesn't want that. Jen, we see through it.

We see through it. The bros are on to you. But the whole Chris Harrington dinner was just bizarre to me. Like, I didn't understand why he was so jovial about it. Then he says, live in your truth. Like, he's having this come to Jesus moment where he's like, look, I messed up. but I saw the light, and now I'm repenting for my sins, like, live in your truth. You don't get to have a raw, raw good for you, buddy moment after you fucking burn somebody on

Instagram with a fake account for an extended period of time just because you admit it to two people who, by the way, don't take it very well. Meredith is like, oh, that is awful. That's not good. Yeah, that sucks. Her stupid husband, Seth, who's an idiot, is like, I totally get it. I totally get it. Because Meredith probably would make him do the same fucking thing.

Absolutely. And Seth is a little lap dog for everybody. around it. That's what I've gathered about Seth. He is a people pleaser no matter who he's around. That's what I don't get. Like, I posted something on Twitter last week talking about how he loved Brett Farf. There were so many people that were like, I love Seth. Seth is great. And then there were people that were like, he's so hot too. I'm like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? Maybe. What are you watching? He's not a bad looking dude, but he's a loser. He's a dork. Yeah. And like, I just don't get it. I don't under, he doesn't bring anything to the show.

And for him to sit there and be like, I get it, dude. Well, if nothing else, At least Chris Harrington has a personality of his own. He does have a personality. He's a weirdo and he's very jovial. Yeah. But he was giggling and having a good time like a girl. And it was like, all right, dude. I could do without him, honestly.

I don't know. I kind of want to be more of him. I can spare me. And we ended with this choir tryout where you seem to have more judges than actual contestants or whatever you want to call them trying out for said choir. and I will say as far as like thrown together judge panels go it was somewhat impressive I guess the one guy

was the son of the biggest Mormon recording artist in the world which I think we need to dive deeper into that you had a finalist on American Idol and like four or five other people I don't think that you needed that big of a judge panel for that amount of people outside but whatever you get Jen Shaw is the Ryan Seacrest of the whole event and she walks outside and

you see Angie, who is performing with Whitney, I guess. This is where I start to get confused again with my Heather stance. I love Heather. Heather's great. She's funny. She's light. Like, she's quick-witted. But this is the second time that we've seen her kind of shoehorn in, Angie, into a situation

where she knows it's going to ruffle feathers. You know you're bringing Jen. You know that Jen is going to be a centerpiece of this tryout. You know Angie's going to be there. Like, what the hell? It's the same thing as putting Angie in front of Lisa. Like, Jen just found out that this person made a fake Instagram account, her husband, whatever, and you're going to put them in the same room together?

Not to mention Jen had addressed this to Angie. She texted her and said, hey, what do you know about this fake account? Apparently Chris is running and she says, I have no idea, which was a bold-faced lie. So Angie is like 0 for 3 on getting caught in lies already. So is Heather like a little shadier than we think? Like, is she trying to stir the pot more behind the scenes this season? I think it might be a producer move. What do you think about that?

Oh. Why not get, especially now. I mean, we don't know what gets cut from the show, especially afterwards. But with knowing what we know about Jen now and they're doing this, maybe they're just saying, fuck Jen. Who cares? Let's keep doing this. And telling Heather, this is two weeks in a row that Heather has spoken to the person who's offended or mad at Angie, right? Yeah.

She spoke to Lisa before the skiing trip didn't mention that Angie was going. She spoke to Jen the day before the choir thing didn't mention that Angie was going to be there, even though she had a full in-depth conversation about how Angie's husband started the fake Instagram. The fake Instagram. So Heather's just missing all over the place, and you think that maybe she would have learned from her mistake last week with Angie and Lisa. She doesn't. That's what makes me think, like, look, I really like Heather.

I'm giving her the benefit. of the doubt because of how much I like her. And I think that there is maybe a little bit of producer hands going in here. Like, yeah, let's get them all in a room together because we want to see the drama that comes from that happening. And it's not like we're going to get a Jen Shaw party where Angie shows up. It's not like we're going to at a Lisa party where Andy shows up. So the only way that we're going to get Angie to show up is through Heather.

So let's keep having Heather do these things to try to get people involved and then Angie will show up. That's my thought process on that. That's an interesting take. I don't agree with you. I think that's an interesting take. I do think that she's tried to stir up the business a little bit. I'm also fine with that, though.

I know you are. I know where you stand with stuff like that. That takes us back to my favorite. We are in Potomac with the Grand Dame herself. And I'm going to ask it every week. What are we thinking? How are we feeling? Oh, I like it a lot.

It's great, right? Yeah. So good. But this episode, we start out with Wendy, who we haven't seen much of this season. And this is all tying back to the drama that started last week where after the dance class, her and Robin get into it. And when she's explaining this whole situation to Eddie, her husband, she takes this whole stance that she was like calm, cool, and collected the whole time,

which one, she wasn't, two, she was caught off mic afterwards agreeing with Robin. So what are your thoughts on Wendy thus far? I don't know. I think she's a little too-faced in most situations. She doesn't get a lot of screen time. I mean, I kind of like what she's. she's doing with her business. I would like to get a little bit more into that, but I know we're probably not going to get more into that because of the drama that's going on with

Robin. But yeah, I mean, I think she's saving face and making it look like she's fully in the right with her husband. I love Eddie, by the way. Eddie's great. So Eddie last year, there was cheating rumors about Eddie. Right, right. And that caused a whole, like, Wendy was off the rails last year. Like, she was screaming at people. She was starting all kinds of arguments. But it's just weird, especially with the off-mic moment, because we know where she actually stands with the whole thing. So to take a stance now, I guess she doesn't know she got caught off Mike until the season airs? Yeah, probably. I mean, I think she realized it in the moment she did say, oh, shit, my mic is still on. But I don't think that she realized it was going to be in the show and she was going

to look as bad as she does. But yeah, I mean, she's painting herself in a better picture, and we do get like the back and forth between her. It is kind of funny because they set it up in this way that Robin's having this big fun day for the kids and there's going to be competitions and whatever are these kids practicing for that is that what's going on like are they just when wendy was out there Wendy was out well when these kids were out there they were all running around on a field no robin's kids were yes robin's kids were definitely they were practicing for yeah that's it's obviously a bad look and to your point yeah I don't think that she realizes that the hot mic's going to be involved in the show but at the same time I get it she's still trying to paint

herself like I didn't lose my cool I wasn't the aggressor in the situation even though I guess Robin probably was, but Robin definitely escalated it. Yeah, and I do agree that in that moment you have to not be so petty. And I think the other women were saying the same thing to Robin. Don't be petty. Like, leave the kids out of it. Let the kids come and play. Rule number one.

Just let it go and it's going to be fine. And Wendy's just like not about that stance. And she even said immediately after, look, we can have all the beef in the world, but you don't do that to my kids. And Robin kind of backtracked a little bit, but I don't agree with the way that she did it. If you have, if you want the kids to go, own up to it, text Wendy and be like, look, I know that we're at odds right now, but you're right. I don't want to leave your kids out. I think Wendy would send her kids with Candice at that point.

Instead, she has Candice go do her dirty work for her. And obviously in Wendy's stance, yeah, no, I'm not saying to my kids over there. If you're not even going to be man enough for woman enough to talk to me and just tell me yourself that you want my kids to come, no, fuck no. I'm going to leave my kids at home. I was about to ask you, how do you feel about that move? I think Wendy's in the right at that point. I think Robin's in the wrong for back channeling instead of just owning up and saying, you don't even have to apologize to her.

Just say, look, we're in disagreement right now. We are at odds. We're not close, but I don't want to leave your kids out. Say that to her, mother to mother. I think that Wendy would respect that and say, yeah, I'm going to try. And then at the end of the day, if your kids don't show up, it's not the end of the world, but at least you had that conversation like adults. Instead, Robin used Candace as Aunt Candice to go try to pick up the kids.

moved herself completely away from the situation and she didn't even set it up like tell wendy that i told you to do this it probably looked like candis was trying to be the bigger person in all of this and saying like no your kids are still going fuck that i see i think that wendy definitely knew it came from robin i don't think that she was confused by that i so initially when i saw this i was like you know what all right that at least she made some kind of effort i wasn't like for it or against it, but I thought that it was fine. The more I thought about it, I did start to realize, like, all right, it's clearly still a jab if you're not going to invite her, but invite her children, because, like, how are you going

to explain that to the kids? That being said, as an avid Potomac watcher for multiple seasons, Robin's super petty. Like, she even admits it in the show. I'm really petty. So for her to even budge an inch and kind of try to involve the kids in any way, shape, or form, I thought was a positive and like for Wendy there like take what you can get and say all right fine like I'll send the kids but I do also understand Wendy being like no fuck that like nobody's going if I'm not going they're not going because that's weird so I thought the funniest part was Juan

Dixon's kids going you were a bench player world class bench player which Juan Dixon was a bench player but for your kid to take that dig that had to sting and then he gets and then he lost Then he lost after talking smack. And Robin's like, he's a world-class athlete. Was a world-class athlete. As a former professional athlete, not world-class, but professional athlete, I can barely run now. So I feel you one. I get you.

A little hop in a potato style. I walk. It might look like I'm trying to walk with swagger. No, my hip hurts. Yeah. You should just try to watch Steele, try to get out of a bunker on a golf course. Okay. All right.

You don't have to go there. But we talked about it last week. The whole Ashley thing sparks. Giselle just needs to throw herself into the situation and she's not involved at all and she's the only one that's holding on to this and now she's pissed that when Candace shows up to the game day she doesn't say anything to Giselle.

I know. Good. That's fine. She's pissed at you or you're ruining her husband's image while he's just trying to be a nice guy. Like there's no reason for any of this. Giselle is the one who's now mad that she didn't say hi to her have some self-awareness. Be like, you know what?

I'm just going to let it go. Not a big deal. I'm just going to talk to Chris, and this can be over with immediately. Instead, she holds on to it. She's like, she should still say hi to me. Yeah, she tells her to move on from it, which I thought was like one of the worst things to say. And then you get Mia's sitting over there. Oh, my God, dude, Mia.

And like, Mia's cut scenes in this, like, here's the difference. Like, it goes to cut scenes of a lot of the housewives. And they're not always nice. And they, a lot of times say some, like, backdoor shit where they're trying to jab at somebody. But it's usually funny. It's with an air of like, ha, ha. When she does it, not only does she have to end it every single time with, did I just say that? Yeah, you did.

You're the only one in the room. You said that. We got it. You think you're quirky. You're not. But the stuff she says is just straight up mean. It's not funny. It's not well thought out.

It's not quirky. It's just mean. Just her maturity level overall in the way that she handles situations. And clearly she just plays both sides of the ball. No matter what's going on, she will always buddy up to whoever is like in the right. or seemingly in the right, and then behind closed doors with the other person, take their side. Like, she just wants to stir the fucking pot. And I don't think it's because she enjoys the drama, which I do think she does.

I think it's because she doesn't know how to navigate reality TV. I think in her mind, this is how you play the game. I'm going to say some off-color shit in my confessional. I'm going to try to ruffle feathers here, and then I'm going to play all sides so I can always have an angle. I think she's trying to outthink herself, and she's not capable of being, like, her own reality stars, or she's just like pulling its strings here and none of them are hitting. No, and you're right.

But I do think, and I want to get your opinion on this, when they're sitting on the bleachers and Candace's, I forget who she was talking to, maybe it was Robin, talking about the situation about people lying and it's ruining other people's lives and blah, blah, blah. Mia's sitting on the side,

giving her the side eye like through her sunglasses. I know. Do you think that Mia immediately thinks that Candice is talking about her, like sub-tweeting about her? I don't. I think that Mia thinks that everything is about her. I do.

Yes, I agree with that. So I got the, I got the sense that Mia is sitting there like, she's talking about me. Like, she's trying to take a dig at me. And like, nobody cares about you, Mia. Nobody does. We're not talking about your cancer post anymore. We're not talking about your fake interaction where you thought that Chris was looking at you at the party. Nobody even knows about that because nobody cares and it didn't exist.

I see, that's what I took it as. I took it as, oh, I know he did that because he also stared at me and you don't know that. I think that that was her withholding this big bombshell that never happened. I think that was what that smirk was. Not so much the, oh, you're talking about me right now. I think she knew she was talking about Ashley and Giselle. And she was like, I've got more dirt if you want it, but I'm not going to spill the beans. That's what I took from it.

And like the way that she badmouthed family fun day, that was the confession I was trying to think of. Like, are you too good for fun and games on the field? Are you too upper class and too high and mighty? to go out there and have a potato sack race? Was it poorly organized? Absolutely. She didn't do a good job there. It was kind of like the Craig Seating chart debacle.

Like you need to have things lined up. Yeah. So there's no dead time because dead time will ruin the party. So you should have had more organization for sure. However, the idea of the party's not bad. Like, let's get everybody outside. We'll all like do some stupid like camp summer games. Like that's fun.

I still do that with Poppy every now and then. And like, I have a good time. I hurt my hip every time. But I have fun during it. It's the after fact that sucks. Yeah. But for her to take a dig at Family Fund Day, I thought was just like the cherry on top of Mia being Mia. But once again, as you love to point out, these athletic events are fun because you get to kind of see who's athletic and who's not.

Now, a potato sack raise can make an athletic person look not athletic. Oh, yeah. But you can kind of see who's got a little bit of feel for it. And it's exactly who you would think would be good at it and exactly what you think wouldn't be good at it. Mia sucks. Robbins decently. Giselle was actually kind of surprising when she was doing the tug of war. That's surprising.

She was organizing. Oh, no. See, she strikes me as an athlete. Oh, okay. Yeah, Giselle strikes me as an athlete. Yeah, she was pretty solid. Yeah, I think that Giselle's a little more athletic than you're giving her credit for. Yeah, I think probably.

But Karen's there. Karen made me laugh the whole time. She strolled up in a mask, and I don't think the mask was COVID related. I think it was allergy related. Could have been. I mean, she did just have that whole, she had to drop out of the dance class because she thought that she had COVID, but she was just sick. And maybe this is the tail end of. that and I don't know.

But did she? But again, like, was that that was arguably a Sheree issue, which is what this was as well. Because she starts coughing up a lung. She's got her hands over her head like she's a football practice, like trying to catch her breath, which by the way, do you know that got debunked? Did it really? It's not actually easier to breathe with your hands on top of your head. It's actually more conducive to your lungs to put your hands on your knees.

And like we all tried to do it football and then knocks would yell at us. In this case, it doesn't really matter because she's faking it. Oh, yeah. We quickly find out, like, it's because Cherise is there. And she's like, oh, I just need to go to the car. And, like, it goes to that cutscene with Jezelle where she's like, Cherise. And she's like, who?

It's like, Cherise. She goes, so how's your 16-year-old? Like, what? It just moves on from it. So clearly, she's just not comfortable being around, Charis. I don't like that she keeps avoiding the situation. I will stand by Karen to the death. I will ride into the gates of hell with Karen.

Yeah. I want to see her go to war with Charis or at least try to hammer the stuff out. because when Karen gets going, Karen is gold. It is the best kind of reality TV out there because she's usually pointed in her arguments. She usually makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I do really want to get Cherise involved more. I want to get, it looks like Wendy got a little bit more involved.

You know, the women who have been on the outskirts for the beginning of the season, it just seems kind of like growing pains. There's, you know, this thing with Chris and then there's this thing with Candice and Giselle, obviously, that's going on with the Chris thing. you get the Wendy and Robin action and these all kind of feel like just kind of like small plot lines not a whole lot we need that big storyline and we talk about it in Beverly Hills which we didn't need that big storyline because it's just drug on forever but we need that like big centerpiece for the season I don't really want it to be Ashley and Michael I don't really want it to be Giselle versus Candice I don't really want it to be Robin versus Wendy I want to see Karen involved and I do want to get to the bottom of the Karen and Cherise thing And I think maybe, I mean, there were some scenes for next week and they were talking about Karen. So hopefully they get a little bit more involved. It does seem.

A little bit of drama there with that. Yeah. But they do need that like that main piece, that staple for the season. And I hope that we're going to get it because we're getting into the season and there's like a lot of little things, little appetizers going on here and there, but need something big. So this is what I'm going to appreciate if they are shaping it up this way, which I do believe they are. I think that that's going to be at least the midseason climax is going to. to be Karen versus Cherise, whether that carries the length of the season, I don't know.

But I like that they're setting it up with little shit. They've got little things going on here and there, nothing crazy is going on, but it's fun drama for now. It's not something we can sink our teeth into, but it's fun. If they're building it up to the Cherise and Karen thing, and that's our main course of this, like great. I think that that's great timing. I think it's great editing, great producing.

Now, will that be able to sustain us for however many episodes? are in this season? I don't know. And I'm nervous that if they latch on to a main storyline too early, we're going to run into a Beverly Hills where it's like the same shit for three weeks in a row. And then we get a little reprieve and then it's back to the same shit. I don't want to do that again. No. So if they're setting it up to have this blowout, great. I just hope that it's time the right way so that it's enjoyable to watch for the length of it and it doesn't run its course too early. I'm with that. Yeah, I do like that we're just kind of like the plot lines are there. looks like they're setting up for something a little bit bigger, which is good.

We do need to talk about the Ashley and Michael situation. I want to get your take on it because I have, I have a thought. I might be way off, but I have a thought, but I want to hear what you have to say about that situation before I throw out my crazy. Here's my thought. I can't even let you finish your sentence because this whole situation perplexes me to the point where I get frustrated when I'm watching the TV and I forget every season I forget that Ashley is this way because Ashley's a likeable.

character in a lot of ways, right? Like, she's fun to watch. She's nice most of the time. Like, she's a likable person. I always forget that she has this weird complex when it comes to Michael. And watching it play out again, I'm like, dude, she's sitting there on the phone or in person with her publicist. It was one of those two meetings.

And they're talking about how to navigate this whole situation about announcing their separation. While she's reading this thing, they're just going to cut scenes of Michael being an asshole and being an idiot and cheating on her. Like, do you really think that the dude was checking the time in the room after he fell asleep because nothing happened because he was too drunk? And then it cuts to the scene. I took her back to my hotel room.

Like, that right there is grounds for divorce. He just told you he took a woman. I don't care if you guys are into threesomes. I don't care if you guys have an extended sexual relationship. That is between you two and the third party. That is not up to Michael to go do auditions for the third person when you're not there. like I just can't understand and then it goes to her upset because he got a vasectomy and they can't potentially have another child it's like what does this man hold over you

what is this power that Michael Darby has is this dude hung like a horse like what the I can't imagine what it is but it is it is maddening when she's talking about it the way that she phrases it she says that we need to get this separation thing out there make sure that like all you know law parties know and whatever the appropriate parties need to know what's going on so that Michael can go live his best life. If he wants to go to a strip club and get some tits and ass in his face, he can go do that. If he wants to go out and take girls back to his hotel room, he can go do that.

He should be free to go do that is what she said. That's weird. That's wild. That's a crazy thing to say. He's like a sympathetic figure in this situation where she's holding him back from his true life. That's wild. She, he cheated on you.

Yeah. There is so many things. Did she get mad about it? No. She never does. dude if you watch the seasons before where like the shit comes to light she very quickly forgives him she has moments where she's like yeah like things are rocky i don't know if it's going to work out and like 10 minutes later they're totally fine and he weasels his way out of it like the dude is such a weasel and i can't

stand it because i watch ashley who's this beautiful bright fun entertaining personality on tv and she's stuck by this moron who's cheating on her constantly who is so psyched to be separated that he's not answering your phone calls. You claim that it's because he's mad at got leaked? Bullshit. So this is what I think. Oh. I think he leaked it.

I think it was his side that leaked it. She knows that it wasn't. She said, like she talked to her publicist. Her publicist was freaking out about it. She was freaking out about it. He wasn't answering his phone. I like this. I like this a lot.

So if he leaks it, maybe he can try to figure something else out. Maybe he can be that sympathetic figure. Oh. Where did you just something just close? Something just hammered home. I want to hear it. So I think that he knows that there's inklings that she doesn't want this to end. He can feel it.

They're still living together in that concrete monstrosity that they call an apartment. It looks like a dushy bachelor pad. That's all it looks like that you shoved kids toys into. I think that he is understanding that, oh, this might not be over in her eyes. And he sees a way out. And he's like, I need to jump the gun here. I need to put this out in the public so I can exploit this process. That would actually make a lot of sense.

Because if he got the vasectomy, Maybe that was his way of saying, like, no, we're done. I don't want you to come back and say, you want another kid. Like, I got a vasectomy. Maybe he didn't even get the vasectomy. Who the fuck knows? But him leaking this could be that last straw. Like, this needs to end.

Like, I do want to go live my separated life. I do want. I do want to go do whatever the hell I want, which is very clear that he does. And he now thinks, okay, she's going to be cool with this whole co-parenting thing or what PeeP. Pee. Yeah, we'll call it a Pee. Maybe that's what he has come to realize.

realizes, like, his dream life is being able to co-parent, her being okay with everything that he does, and then him going off and living the life that he wants to go live. And it's not happening quick enough. And she's showing signs of not wanting it to happen. But he still wants it to happen. It makes sense that he would leak it to the press. Boom. Yeah. Debunked. And then he's not man enough to answer the fucking phone. Yeah, dude, what a pussy. And that doesn't, that doesn't surprise me at all because this guy's a worm. He's an absolute worm. Not like Heidi Klum, but he's a worm. No, not a Heidi Klum worm. He's a greasy. gross worm and Ashley you can do so much better dude get out there in Potomac there's a lot of

eligible bachelor's out there go meet like a politician go live your best life somewhere else like leave this guy alone you already got the money the money's coming right like you made it through the five years you're getting alimony you're getting child support get the fuck out just go the dude got a vasectomy because he's saying you're going to try to get pregnant he's literally being like I know you're going to try to keep me in this I'm trying to get the fuck out How can you not read the writing on the wall? And you're sitting there like, oh, I'm just going to miss him. And like the idea of not having another kid with him, like, that makes me sad.

He's so out, he's getting his nuts cut off and not answering the phone and leaking shit to the press. All right? Just medically speaking. You do know how vasectomies work, right? Yeah, they cut your balls off. All right. We'll just go with that. No, no, no, no. They snip, snip.

It's a very easy process. Well, look, I think that this is a great opportunity to just leave it there. That's a good way to end it. Leave it with balls. With the balls cut off, and that's where we are. I do want to stress that I do actually understand how vasectomy's work. I don't think that they just cut your balls off. Yeah, sure you do, pal.

But that brings us to our question portion of the show. We got a lot tonight, so we'll try to comb through them and pick as many as we can. But due to time constraints, we got a Phillies and an Eagles game in about 15 minutes. These are going to be a little bit shorter tonight. Yeah, we'll both be rocking the double TVs. Yeah, bear with me here. But up first from Allison Clune. And J, I'm assuming means you're from New Jersey.

Do you think Paige can do better than Craig? Oh, yeah. Really? That quick? Yeah. Craig's a messy guy. I like him. I think he, like I said before, he has good intention, shitty execution with a lot of the things that he does. But seeing this, when we saw them in Southern Charmer, it looked like everything was great, everything's going well.

Now you see them, like, living together and she's terrified to live with him because he's messy and he's a hoarder. And then she talks about, like, his personality and stuff. It just doesn't really seem like they're going to work, which is tough to say. That's different than she even says it herself. When Jess is talking about all the guys that are in the house and if she has like a good report with any of them, she says, well, you're not looking to marry anyone here. And I would really advise against it. Her boyfriend's sitting in the other room.

That's a good point. You didn't think that was just like a little ha, ha, ha, moment? No, I think she can probably do better. I don't. I don't think she can do better. I think that at his core, I think Craig is a great dude. I think that Craig needs to get over trying to throw money at things, trying to flex on people. And I think he needs to get past this, like, drinking phase in his life.

And I say that only because he was on Watch What Happens Live. Or maybe it was the reunion. It was. It was a Southern Charm reunion. And he actually addresses like, yeah, I saw some clips of myself. And like, it actually became aware that there was a problem there. So he's addressing that. I think that who he is when he's not putting on fronts and not parting his face off,

I think that he's genuinely a good guy. And I think that they make sense. That works. From Adam underscore Gore's favorite season of housewives. Do you have a favorite season? Should we end this question a little bit? Yeah, no, not yet. What's your favorite housewife franchise?

Let's do that. Probably Jersey. Really? Yeah, I like Jersey. Even with Potomac and Salt Lake all right now, I have more of a history with Jersey. I have more of a history with Beverly Hills, unfortunately. But right now, I still think that when Jersey comes back, like, I'm excited for that.

Okay, that's a good answer. Mine's Potomac. It has been Potomac, probably always will be Potomac, and then Salt Lake is a close second. I think that they're glossed over too much, and they're also both, I guess Potomac's not really early anymore. That's what season seven now?

Yeah. I think that Salt Lake doesn't get enough attention. I think it deserves more attention. So big Salt Lake guy, but Potomac is number one for me. From Gap underscore Paoli, would you bring back Caroline Manzo to team up with Dolores? Yeah, I do think that, I just think Dolores needs a little bit more backup,

and it sounds like she's going to be out with Teresa this year. It sounds like there's going to be different factions. I'm kind of excited to see how that unfolds. But I love Dolores, so I do think that she needs a little bit more backup. Yes. I agree. And I think that having Dolores with Caroline Manzo up against Teresa would be gold. Yeah.

That would be great TV because Caroline's already anti-Theresa to begin with. Dolores is taking a stance against Teresa this season, I guess. you want to like come back with a bang after what last year was not my favorite season of Jersey yeah bring caroline back for sure i think that would be gold and kick Melissa off because yeah she brings nothing yeah and there's a lot of drama with her right now and like you're going to have to it looks to me like you're going to have to actually pick i know andy doesn't like ultimatums but it seems to me like if you want teresa on the show you're going to have to take a stance on joe and Melissa at some point yeah so bring Caroline back that works the last one we have

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