Bros & Shows - The Jentencing- (RHOSLCs03ep014, RHOMs05ep08, RHOPs07ep13)

Episode Date: January 13, 2023

The Jentencing is upon us. RHOSLC wrapped up its sub-par season with a finale that finally addressed Jen's legal woes. The Bro's sum up the season and where it fell so short of the mark. Then its back to Miami where Adriana is having a music video shoot and Larsa confronts Julia about her potential make-out with a mystery man. Finishing up in Potomac, the ladies are in Mexico and tensions are high. Jaqueline and Mia have a falling out and we finally see Karen and Charisse square off at dinner... Time Stamps: RHOSLC (15:00) RHOM (29:20) RHOP (42:50) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am. You're co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter Magooter. Shoot's what's up, dude? I actually kind of feel like myself this week, so I don't know if you've noticed, but I let the beard grow in. You did?

Yeah, I liked it. Let the mustache kind of go away. So this is what happened, though. You know how, like, you move, you lose things. You don't know where the hell anything went. You lost your face. I lost my face, yes. I lost my trimmer, and I just let it go wild.

So I was using, like, scissors to cut it. It just got messy. Went out, bought a trimmer. That exact day found my trimmer. Okay. In a Band-Aid box. Why? No idea.

I don't know if I did it. I don't know if Colleen did it. We have no idea what happened. We were looking for weeks. She had a bunch of like razors and stuff in there. So like it was, you know, shaving-centric at least. I don't know what happened. But I knew I was going to find it as soon as I bought a new one.

You know how that works? A Band-Aid box? Like a cardboard band-aid box? It's like, all right. So if you go to Costco, if you're familiar with buying a bulk, you get like a huge box and it's got all the different types of band-aid. No, no. Before you continue, I have to make this point about all Costco members. Every Costco member, when they say, have you heard about Costco?

Like, yeah, everyone knows what Costco is, but everyone that belongs to Costco acts like they have discovered bulk shopping. Well, no, I'm just explaining what bulk shops. What do you want me to say? As soon as I said Costco, you knew I was talking about something in bulk. I feel like it's synonymous. Well, then you don't have to take the time to explain to me. You know how Costco sells in bulk. You said you understand how bulk shopping works.

No, I didn't. I said that after the fact. Whatever. Anyway, yeah, in a band-a-box, no fucking idea what was going on. So I looked a little disheveled last week, and I'm back. Moustache is back, feeling good. You know, birds, it's the best. Honestly, this is like a bi-week on steroids.

We don't even have to worry about it. We just get to watch football knowing that we'll play next week, and we'll get to figure it out. So, you know what? Everything's going great. Yeah, no, I'm biving pretty well, too. You know, it's 2023. We got a clean slate. I'm excited for the year.

we're already off to a really fun start with Cloud 10. Like, we're legit in that. We're official. Yeah. And fuck yeah, go birds. We're in the playoffs. We're number one seed. We're in the buy week.

I went to the game. And you know how I feel about going to football games, right? Yeah, yeah. You'd rather be on the couch watching the game or Red Zone. 100%. So one of our clients at the gym was like super nice and got us all tickets. He's a season ticket holder. And he took me and two of the other trainers down.

He went to the Union League for lunch first. Like, it was a whole day. That sounds nice. It was really nice. Here's the problem, all right. And this is why I don't go to fucking football games. And it was my worst nightmare realized. So I had a huge dinner this week.

As you know, I had to make, like, 180 meatballs over the course of the week. And I had to leave the game a little bit early, like, beginning of the fourth quarter, so I could go home and do some prep for this big dinner I have. It's our crafting the balls. For crafting my balls, yes. So I, they all took. the train in, which is the smart move, because, you know, traffic gets down there. That was the right thing to do.

They take the train. I'm like, look, I'm going to drive. I'm going to park so I can bounce a little bit early. Like, I'll meet you guys down there. Unbeknownst to me, 90% of the lots for Eagles games are reserved parking only. Had no idea. The lots that were cash full. What time did you go?

Oh, because you went to lunch. So what time to get there? So I got to the stadium area at about 350. Oh. Dude, rookie. Do you know when I got into the game, there was a minute and 20 left in the second quarter. Jesus Christ. I missed a half of football trying to park my car.

And when I tell you, I was driving with like just blind rage, obviously not like driving like a crazy person because it was bumper to bumper traffic. But I was just sitting in my seat seething. I was so upset. Everything was going through my head like, this is why I don't go to football games. This is why I stay home. This is why I watch it on my couch or I go to a dive bar and I just watch it there. Great, so the best part is you were already planning on leaving early. You didn't get there until halftime.

Yeah. And you probably left with like, what, seven minutes left in the fourth quarter? Four minutes left in the fourth. After we kicked that field goal, I thought the game was over. I left and it got a little sketchy there at the end, but we still pulled it out. The point is, less and large. I will never go to another Eagles game again unless we're in the playoffs or the Super Bowl. That is my, that is so funny.

Yeah, it was tough. And it was just, it was way worse because I was already like, you know what? I'm not a big go-to-the-game guy, but it'll be fun. I'll have a good time. Fucking disaster. That's so funny. That sucks. Yeah, but go birds.

We won. Anyway, we had a wild, wild week in the Bravo world. There was a ton of shit going on, and we need to dive into it. But before we get there, let's knock out the rose and the thorn. Let's get those out of the way. I've got a couple, but I'm going to pick my best ones. All right. Go for it.

All right. So I'm going to start out with my thorn. Okay, and this one comes from TikTok, and I'm not going to read the name because I'm not giving them the credit. They just wrote, respectfully, I don't think Housewives is the show for you. Yeah, I saw that one. To which I replied, respectfully, we don't care. And we really don't.

You're not going to gatekeep us out of this. We are going to be here for a very long time. We just signed a contract. You think we're going somewhere now? You think you're going to push us out now? No, we're here to stay, baby. I actually love those because like keep them coming

because it's really funny to me it's like fuel for the fire yeah we're motivated by hate and then my rose is from TikTok as well and it's from Outdoorlos

and Outdoorlos says I was a shooter stand until he decided to talk shit on Ultimate Girls trip on today's pod pissed and I just love the idea of you losing fans because of stances and someone be like

I will die for shooter and then you drop the I don't like the ultimate the girls trip and now they just don't like you anymore it's fun i mean honestly like i i comment back on that and i said well i'm not going to pander to the fans i do not like ultimate girl's trip but i don't give a shit you're probably still going to end up being a shooter stand that's what i told him so hopefully he still will be uh outdoor lose hopefully now i had one here's the thing you sent me one earlier in the week and it was a review on our actual podcast oh yeah so i honestly just thought

you were going to roll with that one so i came up with a secondary one i was going to do the guy who said, oddly enough, on the Salt Lake TikTok or Instagram, wherever it was, he was defending Mia. Yeah. He's like, I'm with everything that you guys say, except you're wrong on Mia. She's the same as every other housewife that we love, and that's why we all love her. He's on an island by himself, right? I think we commented on it.

Other people commented on it. Like, nah, dude, you're on your own. You're literally on the island. Nobody's defending me, especially after this episode. Like, Jesus, God, she's intolerable. But I'm going to go with the review that we had on our. actual podcast. I'm glad because I totally forgot and that was a really good one. Oh yeah. It's and I've honestly been thinking about it all week. All right. So I'm going to try to

read this. I think he's speaking English. I will find out. Never flip-flop the shows. Seems you're not so passionate with period. When Beverly Hills was done, you felt bored, praised Salt Lake. Now you're doing again with Salt Lake, in parentheses, bored and Miami praise. Not cute. What the fuck like we're watching the same shit that you're watching. Everybody is is, I don't understand, when we've talked about this before, creators will just stand by shows and be like, you know what, it really wasn't the best, but we still love all of our ladies.

No, we're going to sit here. If we're not enjoying the product that's out in front of us and we're taking time out of our day to watch it and then talk about it. If it sucks, it sucks. And a lot of these shows have that record where it'll start off strong. They'll kind of hook us and bring us in, and then they won't deliver. And that's when we're going to rip it apart.

It's not us. It's Bravo's fault, right? 100% and when I read that and it seems so benign and like not that big a deal but this one made me really angry because I was like that's literally what we do we pride ourselves on being unbiased and because of that some of these shows start out with a bang and then they fizzle out and they stink and if they stink we're going to tell you that they stink I'm not going to sit here and pander to the ladies of Salt Lake that I don't know I'm going to tell the listeners that we have hey started off okay totally sucks now they

They had a golden goose in content with Jen Shaw's case, and they fucking sidestepped it. So it was a disaster of a season. We were excited. It stinks. So now we're not excited. Miami, we are excited. We are still excited. Hopefully we'll be excited.

Right? So if they fumble the bag again, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? But I mean, look, I mean, Zach got shit. It's so funny because Bravo fans are a lot like sports fans where a lot of it just makes no sense. And, like, you and I try to get into people's minds, and it really doesn't end up working. But Zach earlier, and we know that our friend, Zach, liked Rina. And he would always kind of stand by Rina and Erica, when people were giving them shit, including us.

And he would defend them and whatever. That's his agenda. That's what he wants to do. But the thing with him is, like, he will go back and forth with you in, like, a constructive way. Like, we could talk shit to him about Rina. And he would be like, well, what about this? We would like, well, what about that? He took a picture with Sutton last week.

And people were outraged. So mad because he doesn't give Sutton enough love. love. What the fuck? Who cares? Like, if I'm covering sports and I see like Dak, well, actually Dak Prescott kind of sucks, if I see, you know, another quarterback that I don't cheer for and I see him out, I'm going to take a picture with him. I don't give a shit. Like, it's so, it's so weird. It's so bizarre, but whatever. I don't know. You know what drives me nuts about those kinds of comments. And it's weird because I never thought that this would like grind my gear, but it reminds me of like way back. Do you remember?

Gears? Do you only have one single gear? Yeah, I'm a one gear bike. I'm not a mountain bike. I'm a BMX bike. One speed, baby. What is it grinding on? Whatever. It's just my gear. Fuck off. It's my gear. You leave my gear alone. What grinds my gear, period, or comma, is it happened forever ago. Somebody commented, like, they didn't like what we were saying about Patricia and Whitney. And they were like huge turnoff. And then this dude ends it with not cute. We're not trying to turn you on or be cute. I don't understand why when people comment on these things, they have to end it with, this is not attractive.

What do you? No shit. What the fuck? Like, I'm not. I'm not trying to be cute here. Yeah, I'm trying to just relay how we feel about the show. I'm not trying to look cute for you. Yeah, I'm with you.

But my rose comes from Twitter. This is where we were, by the way. Running into some gear. My gear got stuck. It comes from Leah Footsam, F-U-T-Z-U-M. Okay. You read it better than I would have. Yeah.

I feel as if I'm watching a theoretical discussion in university regarding Potomac. Love it. About us talking about Ashley last week. So now, here's the idea. We're professors now, I guess. Well, I will take that, Professor Maghuter. Professor Maghuter has a great ring to it. I'm into it.

But that's where we are for Rosen Thor. That was a pretty good round. That was one of our. longer rounds of Rose and Thorne. But hey, keep it coming. Yeah. The hate, the love, we love it all. I did want to read one.

I forgot and I need to find it, but someone literally said pandering for a rose here. They were trying to get rose that I was going to give it to him, but I lost it. So I'll try to find it next week. Yeah, do it next week. But let's dive into the news. It was a wild week, as I said. Let's start it off with something came to fruition that we were hoping for. Diana and Rina, smell you later.

they're gone peace deuses yeah and it's going to be interesting to see what they do there's still rumors circulating like brandy coming back but now brandy's confirmed for ultimate girl's trip four and that filming is kind of like coinciding with beverly hill so who the fuck knows what's going to happen it might just be pretty much everybody that we're used to minus rita and diana diana diana was diana was stupid she said she couldn't film because it would be too tough while she's pregnant i think that's just a cop out like she was not asked back and they're like well we'll just give you an excuse. Yeah, and that's the toughest part because obviously it's like a super sensitive subject.

And I can't imagine they asked her back. Like she was pretty much non-existent towards the end of the season. Like she tried to cause a scene. She tried to cause a stir. She just ended up being super mean and not fun at all. And then she just faded out because she's boring as shit. Yeah, and then she hated that her private life was being exposed on like social media because she's on a reality TV show.

Who saw that coming? I mean, not me, I guess. I don't know. That's what blows my mind about all of. the people that get caught up and then they're like oh well i don't want people to know that it's like well you signed up you auditioned for this show you got what you wanted which leads me to my next thing potential housewife coming into the franchise if andy is smart and if he signs this free agent immediately jennifer coolidge in an interview someone just like shouted out as she's

walking away would you be in the real housewife she turns around yes and there's another interview where she said yeah i'm a fan of the show i watch it and she hinted at being potential on the show, you want to save Beverly Hills, you stick Jennifer Coolidge in Beverly Hills. Oh, yeah. White Lotus, are you shitting me? Huge comeback for her. And she's had, like, one of the biggest comebacks ever from being Stifler's mom all the way now to White Lotus.

She's having a second coming of Jennifer Coolidge. And, like, I've always loved Jennifer Coolidge. There's very few things I watch with her that I don't enjoy. The, dude, the bend and snap from Legally Blonde. Oh, yeah. Damn right. Hell yeah. no she's she's so funny she's so nice to like see on the screen in all times i yeah i wasn't the

biggest white lotus fan but every single scene that she was in i loved like she was the star of the show the whole time and she kept it going for me i would love to see her she was a pleasure of the golden globes the other night if she joined i think the dynamic between her and everybody would be so pleasant and it might you know what you might not get a lot of drama from it but we don't need all the drama in the world anymore sometimes just watching them spend a ton of money on a bunch of random shit that we could never imagine buying. That's the simplicity that should be housewives. I don't need this made-up drama bullshit.

No, let the drama happen organically. It will, in fact, happen, okay? It will happen at some point, but I'm getting tired of the forced drama. We have seen it across franchises this past year. They're reaching so hard for certain things. I think it finally came to light with the heather thing. Like, that was so blown out of proportion. Oh, supposedly.

And not to jump ahead. I guess this isn't really jumping ahead. Her black eye is not even mentioned in her book. It's not after saying if you want to know, read the book. Nope. There were multiple people on Twitter that said read the book, not even mentioned. Well, I mean, I think that we've gotten to the bottom of it. I've seen multiple articles and we'll just jump directly into Salt Lake from here.

But we've seen multiple articles come out that have people have been speculating. I'm like 99.9% sure it was a Botox malfunction. yeah so am i that or she fell and like banged her head against the sink nobody punched anybody and zach actually pointed out a lot of really obvious reasons that we didn't think about before if there was a physical altercation between castmates that bravo would have to do an investigation they would have to find out because now it's like a hazard to the workplace they're worried about insurance getting sued there's a lot of different things that come into play so we would have had way more information about it other than just like speculation and forcing

this story. So clearly it's self-inflicted either by Botox or falling down. And for them, one production to push this, two for Heather to push this and three for the show overall to push this shit is disrespectful to the audience. Like I know that Bravo fans, we all want to like see the drama. We want to see crazy shit. Like obviously we don't want to see like somebody get punched in the face, but if you feel comfortable as a production to force that upon us and make us speculate amongst these women who is going to beat up one of their friends, like, that's a big fucking claim. And for them to shove this down our throat and then give us nothing in return and then back

door us with like the end of the last episode being about Jen, that's all we get this fucking season. And we're going to sum it up right now. Like, we're just going to talk about it kind of as a whole. whole like where it fell short what they could have done better how we feel moving forward all right i don't know and i've seen some rumors that they're going to add in three new cast members maybe not full-time housewives but three new women that have never been on the show before have pretty much like no connection to bravo at all so there's not going to be like the

you know pulling a castmate from oc down here whatever there's just going to be three new people and they're just going to add them in there to see what the dynamics like you already have so many more people and this is the reason that the show sucked at least this season was because they kept teasing these things and like we knew that the gen child thing was going to happen we didn't get shit until the end we finally got one who wasn't even a full-time cast member with dana yelling at her in san diego and accusing her of what we've been talking about for months and months that she's just a terrible friend and everybody's afraid to talk to her we finally get that we get absolutely nothing after that then they cut the part of

I don't know if you saw this. Oh, yeah. They cut the scene where Dana at Heather's book, I guess it was a book cover party. Like, everybody was like, what the fuck? We don't get books. A book cover reveal party, I want to call it. Stupid.

You know what? Maybe I'm not versed in like the world of books. No, everyone there said it was stupid. Nobody was like, this is a good call. Yeah, it just seems silly. But Dana goes at Jen in the middle of the party while Coach Shaw was there, which we also never see because we always see that she'll call, Jen will call her husband over.

so that she doesn't, like, go crazy and people won't talk shit to her directly and it won't escalate things. He's like a calming presence. He comes over and Dana goes right after her and accuses her pretty much of what she's guilty of. Yeah. And throws that dagger in there and Bravo leaves it out, even though they used it in the teaser for the whole show, not only for the midseason, but also for before the season. Then they cut it out that, like, it just made no fucking sense. I think it could be because now we've got a sit-down one-on-one with Anne. Andy and Jen coming up at some point.

Oh. So they're going to hold off on some stuff or they're going to save it for the reunion, whatever they're going to do. These tactics that Bravo is using for this show specifically suck. It's just not working. No, it didn't work. It's not that it's not working. It did not work.

And I would like to know if different production groups work on each show. Like, I'm pretty sure they have teams for each one. I can't imagine that one person is cutting all of them. There could be some spillover, yeah. But I just don't understand their intention. What are you trying to do? You give us little teasers so that we can feast during the show, right? If you constantly tease with no payoff, people are just going to get disinterested.

And if your big teaser is a black aisle season, then you give us nothing. When we are watching somebody about to be convicted to, like, real jail time, and we're not talking about that? how the fuck are we not talking about that jen shaw should not have this much say over what's being said on the show and i don't understand why so you can have a three-hour sit-down where she talks about all the shit that we already know where she tries to defend herself no shit she had a fucking dinner the night after she got convicted with like 14 people to celebrate that she didn't get 10 years yeah like we're talking about a horrible person and instead of just shutting this shit down making this season a wash, saying it is what it is.

We fucked this up. We didn't highlight the right thing. We're going to give her three more hours with Andy. Like, get this shit off of my TV. I'm done with her. Put her in an orange jumpsuit and stick her in fucking prison because I don't want to see Jen Shaw anymore. She's not interesting.

She fucked the whole season up. She screwed up Heather, and Heather was one of my favorites. And Heather got dragged down into this sludge that is Jen and just ruined her. And I'm so pissed that one of my favorite franchises is, hopefully canceled because fuck this show. This is so funny because you started off today being like, you know what? I think we're going to be like a little more chill, a little more relaxed. I'm going to sit back here, bring the microphone back.

I'm going to be chill. But I'm going to have to get up at some point because I'm going to go off and you were just seething. This is the moment. Because this is so funny though because now we finally have like the full plug, full episodes on YouTube and people can watch you just kind of. to like rise up slowly slink out of my seat and I've been laughing for the last like three minutes and everything you said is entirely true like this season was just shit and this was my first season and I loved it to begin with yeah I'm not trying to say that that guy who reviewed the podcast is right but I loved it to begin with and then it just completely fell off and it stunk and it just never

hit all these questions that we had all these things we wanted to see just never happened they were teased and never happened what's the fucking point in watching if we're not to get answers if they're just going to keep teasing like this the sucky part is last week we were done we were out we were done yep then season finale rolls up we're like well we have to cover this we're really going to fucking stop before the season finale so anyone who calls us frauds out there fuck you fuck you we're not frauds all right but we're still going to have to watch we're still going to report on it here's the thing though I don't mind reporting if we're just going to rip it apart yeah because I have a lot of fun ripping it apart it deserves it it really does

And I have more fun just, like, kind of like chatting and, like, having a good time watching the show. But if it stinks, that's when, like, I feel like we rise up and we're like, fuck this. Like, this is bad. Well, because we're not, I'm just not going to sit here and try to pretend that things were good. And I think that moving forward with this show, I don't know if adding three randoms is going to be the right answer. I think that they need to. I think they're just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle at some point and just get a good season out there to, like, renew for a couple of years. The shame of it all is I came around to Lisa Barlow.

finally this season. I thought she did great. I thought she had a good, especially second half of the season. I like seeing her away from Meredith. Like, she did a lot of good things. And now I don't care about this show. Yeah. I like her.

And I hope that she comes back in some capacity, like maybe an ultimate girl's trip or they can figure out. That's like, we keep saying that about these shows. Like, we kind of enjoyed Dubai for like an episode. And I'm like, this sucks. Like, ion's great, but the rest of them stink. Maybe we can get ion to come over and do something. Wait, you want eye on in, like, Beverly Hills or something?

We call it Real Housewives Island of Misfit Toys, and you just stick the best ones from shitty franchises. You get one from Dallas. You get one from Dubai. You get one from Salt Lake. And I'm sure there's other ones out there. Or you can grab somebody from, like, the Southern charms that didn't pan out, like New Orleans or something.

And it's the Island of Missfit Toys. So it's kind of like Ultimate Girl's Trip, but you make them stay better. Better because they have to sign on for three seasons. Okay. So they know that they're going to be there. They can't just mail it in. Wait, wait, I got more.

And they got to live in the same neighborhood for three years. Or the same city. They got to pick a random city. Here you go. Stick in them in Cleveland. You get your show. That would be brutal. Could you imagine Ion living in Cleveland?

I want to see Ion living in Cleveland. Gardens winter and there's just like wind whipping off the lake. No. That actually is a good point, though, because Ultimate Girls Trip 4 was just announced. And look, everybody that listens to the show knows that I don't like Ultimate Girl's Trip. I didn't like the last one, X-wives Club. I'm open-minded for the third one, which hasn't dropped yet, open-minded for it. But the fourth one was just announced, and it's pretty much everybody for the second one,

except me, or I'm sorry, they dropped Dorinda and they dropped Jill. Everybody else from Ultimate Girl's Trip to the X-wives Club is going, and then they added in like two or three more people. Everybody towards the end just kind of seemed like disinterested. I guess like Brandy seemed like she wanted to be there. Vicky really didn't want to be there the whole time. Eva was like, I don't know why I fucking did this. Fager's like, I don't know.

And everybody's like, oh, maybe she'll get back to Atlanta. They're just going to run it back? Well, Fadra is now a cast member on Married to Medicine. Oh, I did see that. That was just announced because she's dating a doctor. So she got back into one of the main franchises. Well, that's good for her. Yeah, good for Fadra.

I like Eva. I think she's going to. I like Diva, too. It just seemed like everybody was, like, disinterested in the show towards the end. They're like, all right, you know, like, let's get the fuck out of here. But maybe it was because of Dorinda and the whole bluestone thing. Yeah, and I think the funniest part is Durinda was the thirstiest one out of all of them.

Yeah, she got the shaft. Yeah, she's not going to be, well, God, who knows what the hell's going to happen with those Roney shows. But, yeah, I don't know. Salt Lake, we'll see what happens with the reunion. Hopefully it's just one part. I don't think that we can get through three parts, two parts, four parts, whatever the fuck they want to do. Hopefully it's just one part. We get through it.

And we're done until next. year but who knows the only thing that we have to finish it with because this was one of my favorite moments and one of the reasons that i love coach did you see what he was doing when she's getting ready for trial the next day oh he was watching he's watching oh he's watching yeah absolutely i saw that yeah i mean that's mid-season though like she was out there i think it was it was september maybe early it was early october right yeah i think it was october it's mid-season for the youth oh i know the uts he had to get ready had to get ready for next week i saw that right way.

And it was just the tiniest sliver of his computer. Like, he's watching film. Good dude. Yeah, he had the, like, actual film remote. When he walked over to Chris Harrington and broke his hand. And he, Chris Harrington just shut down. Look, I'm not like a big, like, toxic masculinity, like how they're like toxic. No, no, no, hold on.

You'll know what I mean when I say in a second. Like, having your wife talk for you is like a bad thing. But in this moment, like, Chris Harrington is a huge whim. Oh, yeah. And I'm being nice with that word wimp. I could call him a lot of other things, but I'm going to call him a wimp. Chris Harrington was such a pussy. Like, you just said it.

All right, there you go. I mean, he was. He was like, he was a shriveled up little worm. And like, I see what you're saying. Like, yeah, I think that if your wife wants to stand up for you and speak on your behalf, like, yeah, that's fine. But if it's your actions that did it and you're going to let your wife do it, like, I'm not, again, I'm not big on being like, how dare you let your wife talk for you when you're

the one who did the actions. But in this sense, like. I feel like Angie had to say something because he was just like whimpering there. He just cowered. And you know what? I don't mind calling him a pussy because he deserves it. Like you started the account and like, look, I'm not advocating for Jen Shaw here at all. But I'm just saying, objectively speaking, if you start an account with the name, if I started Maguder exposed and like threw your name under the bus or whatever.

God, I hope that pops up. Hopefully one of our listeners, Maguder exposed, do it. But like you need to just apologize. And the funny thing is, and I knew it was going to happen. Like, Coach walks over there and he's just, he's stoic. He's straight face. He just stands there. And he's expecting an apology.

He's waiting for it. And Chris Harrington just shriveled up and was whimpering. He was whimpering. And coach, I know for sure when he shook his hand, that was the firmest fucking handshake that Chris Harrington's ever gotten. And he probably felt about two inches tall. And he should. Because what 40 or 50-year-old dudes making fucking burner accounts talking shit about

your friend's wives like what a loser and that's i'm talking about a guy that was talking shit about like jen shaw who i hate and is a terrible person going to prison that's the weirdest part is he wasn't even talking shit on her yeah that's right about lisa i know but like just the whole thing was very weird real strange behavior dude said i look like we have issues with like angie harrington and everything how the hell he's married to her like she seems outside of the housewife world she's attractive she seems kind of smart like how the fuck is this dude with her

he seems like a little piece of shit he's just a weasel he reminds me of Eric from Billy Madison that's a good point just like his mannerisms like he's just like a little yeah I bet he laughs like like that he's just a weasel so yeah

but that takes us back to Miami so we caught a lot of flack for like claiming that Adriana was not an actual singer, but it was a housewife singing career. And the arguments that I got to defend her did not help disprove that she is just a housewife singer. People came up to me at the gym. We got comments online.

They're like, well, she's not a real singer. Her song is the theme song to real housewives of Miami. That's like the epitome of housewife singer. No, I was like, you're proving our point. That doesn't mean. I also saw the funny thing is in like no shade, but. A couple, wait, hold on it, is it reasonable or is it shady? A couple of people.

Do we have to copyright that or something? I have no fucking idea. But a couple of the people that did comment, they were Instagram models. So it's like, well, are you a model or you're an Instagram model? You know, it's like kind of the same thing. And I'm like, oh, that would make sense, you know, likewise, defending likewise. So this whole video shoot was a disaster start to finish. And I think the funniest part to me was this direct.

trying to keep all these ladies reined in, and they could give two shits. It was funny because it started off, and we talked about the director last week. He seemed like a guy who took his job very seriously. And we're like, why is he doing this? Like, I feel like he could be doing other things. Maybe he's up and coming, whatever. And then he started off this on the boat, and he knew, like, where the cameras were. It was a complete 180.

He looked so different from the last time that we saw him. He was doing the Vogue pose and everything. And then as soon as he brought up the other girls knowing the dance moves, the real director came out and he started getting pissed off. I'm like, there he is. There's the hard worker. There he is.

All right. This is going to be a shit show. It was. And obviously, half the girls didn't know what the choreography was. And Marisol was just throwing a wrench into everything because she's bombed

and she's like storming onto the set while they're shooting, like handing out cockies to everybody. Like, here you go. Here you go. And no one seems to care that this director, and that was the best part, I think, is that he's getting so up in arms

and like demanding respect and demanding these women like get in line and like start listening to them and they like this guy means so little to them like we really don't care you can get our face and yell and it's still not going to matter people start leaving the set larsa refuses to be in the video she's just sitting off to the shitting off to the side oh she's just sitting off to the side and she's and this actually kind of bugged me because if you're going to show up to one of these things like is it kind of cheesy sure yeah is it a deal to Adrian it is and it's not that difficult to fake it for an hour and just like get in the video make her happy appease your friend and just like buy into the experience i it's like that

person that goes to a Halloween party and street clothes you know what I'm talking about like they just dress up and it's like buy in like you it's not dorky to be a dork with everybody else yeah you know what I mean so like that that that always grinds my gear but but the one thing like and I think Marisol can get away with it because she's just like so quirky but she just runs up and like just pinches that dude's bear ass oh my god yeah and they get it on camera yeah what did she keep calling is balls like

oh um she's like oh you're wearing patent leather like you got to let the grapes breathe or something I don't remember fuck what was it it was something weird I should you reflect on that but I don't want to reflect on that yeah please do um

no I mean yeah the whole thing it was just a mess from the start and like we knew it was going to be a mess and nobody took it seriously i actually felt pretty bad for adriana because she's sitting there she goes back to her confessional and she's like i don't have what did she say rich dick like i can't just yeah go to the bank and get a deposit so that i or get a withdrawal so that i can get something and go to this like i have to do this music i have to she kept saying the music video so i guess the music video she says is more important because then it sells the song i think she's living in like 2003 i was actually yeah that that that's struck me too.

Any more, when I see a music video for a song, I'm like, why does this have a music video? That's what I do. They still do these. Yeah. And some people will throw them on at parties. I'm like, why is this still on? Whatever. If it's not 2000s R&B music videos going on the background, I don't really care.

Those were fucking so good. Because there was like movies. Like any like, like usher let it burn. Yeah. That's what came to mind. That's like a fucking 12 minute. We're like our Kelly Trump's in closet. We're not going to talk about that.

Nope. But yeah, I felt bad because she, this is her livelihood and nobody's taking it seriously. And then later, when we see that Julia actually understood that Adriana was kind of upset when Kiki storms off and she's bitching about the fact that she doesn't want to be in the music video. She's still mad because Adriana like essentially just got mad at her for kind of not taking it seriously.

And then she just ate, what was it, a Big Mac or a Whopper? It was a Whopper. And she's like, that's my sign off. If I eat this, I'm done. Which I understand. Burger King commercial that always comes on. Whopper, Wopper, Wopper, Wopper, Wopper. No, it's a free ad.

We can't do that. Yeah, we can. But I'm not, I refuse to advertise her Burma King. I felt bad for her. And then Julia steps in, she's like, yeah, I didn't invite her to a party because I just saw her, like, yelling at the director about how she doesn't want to be in it and she's going to sue him if she sees her face on it. Like, that's not the kind of energy I want there.

I'm like, that's a good friend. That's what I like to see. I know I'm jumping around, but that's what I like to see. The jump around's fine. I have a counterpoint. Okay. So when they're all kind of going back and forth and there is irrational arguments happening inside of this cabin.

Like, I don't know what was going on between Alexia and Gertie. Like, I don't, that was such an arc of just like, we had the intro, exposition, climax, denouma, all that stuff. I forget which order they come in, but I couldn't follow why, who was upset at who and about what. It got so convoluted in there that, then they both end up crying and then they just hug it out, whether it's fake or not. I actually very much appreciate that.

they can at least make up at the end and we can move on. Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah. We're not dragging some dumb shit on. We've heard about it a couple times, but it hasn't taken over a whole episode. Correct. So it's just a little tidbit here, a little tidbit there. And then a very, very weird argument, crying, fight makeup.

Yeah, love you, love you, hug. It was odd. But, well, we're done with it. But my, back to my main point here, with the Kiki thing. So this all stemmed because of Larsa taking a, taking it upon herself to call out Julia for making out with a guy, which is so like shoehorned in there. I didn't really think it was that bad. You can talk how you feel about it. I don't think that it was that bad. I just don't see why to Adriana's point. Like, why bring this

up now? This is my day. Like, we're on the boat. I don't understand why you need to confront her day to begin with. Correct. They don't care. Correct. But this just seemed like the wrong place or time to do it in my opinion and when adriana like kind of tries to shut it down because she wants to make this day about her again kiki's chiming in and this is where i actually can defend kiki a little bit because adriana very quickly it's like you don't know shit and pretty much tells her to shut the fuck up yeah let's not forget kiki was the only one that showed up to the choreography she was the only one that took this seriously on adriana's behalf and so for her to now like tell her of all people there. Like, that's the one person that you just need to kind of like bite your tongue and

like let it go. She went after the wrong person there. I agree with that. So I don't think that she's totally the bad guy. Did she blow it out of proportion by storming off and like threatening the director with legal action and then messing up all of the footage? Yeah, she didn't need to take it that far. However, I do understand feeling scorned after you showed up for your friend. And then of all the people to throw into the bus, she throws you under the bus. Yeah. And I don't really think that she's thinking necessarily in that moment. I think that Adriana is so stressed out and annoyed that no matter who said whatever, she probably would have reacted in that way. And again, like, I don't really like Adriana. I don't really feel anything towards her. I don't like stand by anything that she does.

I just kind of felt a little bit bad because she was taking it seriously and nobody else was. Now, into the Larsa Julia thing, which I guess is sort of like the main component of the whole episode, I didn't really see an issue because Larsa did bring it up last week when she was sitting at lunch. And she's like, hey, I just found out that somebody saw Julia at the hotel, or at the surf club, rather, making out with a guy. And then the very next episode, she went and said it directly to Julia. So, like, I appreciate that over just continuing to talk around it. And, like, that's kind of bullshit.

So she went cut and dry. Julia didn't really see an issue with it. She explained it right away. She said, you know, I'm quirky. Martina knows I'm quirky. We like to see when people are taking pictures of us. We like to, you know, do something weird. Sometimes I'll kiss a guy.

sometimes I'll give him a hug, whatever, and she didn't really seem offended by it. She says that she felt a little weird about it, and she knew that Larson was doing something pointed, but she didn't get upset about it. And then Larson's like, all right, well, this is cool. Like, let's talk about it. I want to know more information about when you do this and how you do it, who this guy is, whatever. And other people are getting involved. So it wasn't even an argument.

That's the whole thing is it wasn't an argument. Adriana just got pissed that they weren't taking her thing seriously. Kiki then blows it out. and then we see later at Julia's house that Martina also thinks it's funny so it's just like it doesn't matter it's kind of funny I liked it because it was a different element I mean I see what you're saying

but I do think that she was slightly upset I understood where Adrian was coming from I think that I don't think that Julia was comfortable in that situation and I felt that Larsa was trying to push it more so than her just being curious and wanting to know what was going on I think that she was trying to dig a little bit And I think that that becomes more clear when we fast forward to the party.

Like, I can't imagine if I witness what I think is adultery and then going up to the spouse of that person at a party in front of their spouse and being like, hey, she made out with somebody. Like, that's, that was so minimized on what kind of moment that could have been. Like, in 90% of marriages, 99% of marriages, like, if that same situation, you know, occurs, you are getting a knock-down, drag-out argument that could potentially end in a divorce. In this situation, thank God, Martina is, like, so cool.

And I love when they cut to that quick scene where they're, like, designing the house. And she's like, no, put your trophies there. She's like, it's not big enough for my trophies. Like, Martina is the coolest. I just want to hang out with her. Yeah, Martina's like, I hooked up with the guy, one of the tennis guys. He was big in the 90s. I think it was on board.

Probably. Marisol is sitting there like, I know. know who it is. I got to figure this out. I know who it is. And she just starts going through these like 90s tennis icons. I thought it was Johnny McEnroe at first. I was like, that would be funny. But anyway, we'll digress from the sports talk. It was nice because Martina didn't get pissed off about it. No. And you know what? At the end of the day, if Larissa was being malicious and that was her intent, she got nothing. And that's awesome. Oh, it was funny. Because the, them, them swimming at the end. And Julie apparently can't swim, I guess, because they were talking about her

potentially drowning, and that's why she doesn't go in the water anymore. Oh, really? That was the whole thing, yeah. She swam fine. That's what I thought, but she said that you might have to resuscitate me after a little while if I'm out there too long. So I think she's afraid of the water? I don't know, whatever.

But it was a nice moment. It was a sweet moment. So after that whole thing, and we got nothing from it, Larsa walks away, empty-handed, if she was trying to be malicious, and we get to see a nice marriage. So I'm okay with that. I did think it was a nice moment. It was funny when it gets completely negated by, and martina being like yeah whatever like she as long as it's not a woman then i'm

kind of jealous but if it's a dude like me i kissed the guy in the 90s like lars it gives this weird like raise the roof motion like ooh like trying to like join in with the other girls laughing about it but it's like hey you're the one that like tried to stir the pot with this you don't get to celebrate because it was like knocked down that's embarrassing but overall like just a good episode it's just like was a lot happening no but it was enjoyable I like seeing the ladies, like, having fun on the boat. I love, I think what is good about this show is you have the Marisol element. You have her just, like, the wild card being like, I'm just going to keep pushing booze and fun.

And, like, I'm sure we'll get into some drama with her eventually. But for the time being, she's just like, she is the CEO or the mayor of fun. What the fuck is Meredith supposed to be? Marisole is the CEO of fun. And she does a good job because she has a bag packed with booze everywhere she goes. That's the key to a good time with these women. And the only other part is just, you know, the Lisa and Lenny stuff, we don't have to dive too far into it. I just think it's kind of, it's going to be sad to watch a lot of this because it is so public and it is like a real divorce.

But the one thing I want to comment on, they finally did like a zoom out of the house that they live in. That is atrocious. That place is like a compound. It's like I think when Colleen and I were watching it, I think I said, give me the White House, but make it super ugly. Yeah. Like that's what it looks like. they just put like random like I guess it's like air conditioning and whatever there's just boxes everywhere and it just looks like shit I mean Lenny definitely designed it too and who the

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We finally got to see the face off between Cherise and Karen, and we will get there. But then we start out, and there's something to these kinds of scenes that I think are really important for me as a viewer, especially because you and I, you know, we have strong opinions and we stand firm in these opinions, and we can forget quite frequently that these are real people. Oh, yeah. And it's good to be reminded that even if you don't agree with one of these women, they are people going through real things. And we have a scene with Giselle and she has fibroids on her uterus that are like so big that she needs them surgically removed. And obviously that's like a really difficult process. It's a tough procedure. It's uncomfortable. And it's

it can cause a lot of damage. And it's good for me just to like see these kinds of scenes because I think Giselle is a great mom. I've talked about that before. Yeah. And like she is a human being and she's a real human being and whether she does some things that are kind of like sketchy or not like obviously I want her to be okay and get through all this like unscathed and it's just it's a good reminder that these are TV shows you know these are played up characters of who these women are and it's just I like to see that kind of stuff because it brings me back down to earth yeah it humanizes yeah sometimes they're so big and like the things they do are so unattainable it's like I don't even know if I'm even watching real life

anymore like it's reality TV but you know you question it sometimes and then when something like this happens you like all right that humanizes you makes you seem more relatable we talk about like relatability we talk about relatability with a lot of these people and that's definitely one of those moments where you're like all right like that sucks feel for you obviously we want to do the best and be at top health and move forward and give us a couple more great seasons of potomac but that's you know how these trips always work and I feel how many trips have they gone on in Potomac now is this the third well um I think so I think it's the third I think they did they're making up for the lack of good trips in Salt Lake yeah I know right God I mean at least

I went to now all right let's use that like kind of loosely oh yeah because I guess the Miami trip was kind of a dud Miami sucked yeah and this one honestly I mean we can kind of jump into it I don't think we're really missing anything else for the prep work right Are they skipping over something? I mean, no, because, you know, Robin and Juan don't seem that interested in their marriage, so why should we be? I know. Seriously. That's actually a really good point.

The kids are like, I didn't think you guys were actually going to get married. Like, they are so checked out of this wedding. And then they drop it on them like, yeah, it's just going to be us for. The kids are like, okay. Where are we going to go? And they're like, Jamaica. And we were thinking like Chesapeake Bay. And her oldest son's like, ugh, God, Chesapeake Bay.

Yeah, what a special scene. Like 20 minutes away. Sick. Great. We can't even go to an island. just the four of us. Jesus. And then a Habibasher comes over.

Yeah. I love the title of Habitasher. It is a great title. It is so sick. I know exactly what it is as soon as I read it. I'm like, that's sick. Yeah, it's a great title. You know what else is a good title?

Cobbler? Yes. Really? Yeah, dude. Nice. That was sick. It's the only other one that I can think of that's like remarkable. But no, I mean, yeah, exactly.

We can skip over that because they're not very interested in it. I don't know if it's reasonable or shady, but, you know, whatever it is. Is that the second reasonable shady reference? You know what it was? Giselle was wearing a hat, and I was like, that's actually kind of a cool hat. I saw it too, and that's the first thing I thought it was like, that's not a bad hat. It's not a bad hat. I like the colors, it looks good, whatever.

The Hammondasher did make fun of Juan Dixon's fit for his draft day, which was back in, I guess, what, like 2002? I love. It was like a route, like a pre-Lebron James a little bit, but those looks are so funny. They're so good. and his huge, and like, Iverson's not a big dude, and he's got, like, a suit that Shaq would wear now that would be fitting on him. Yep. And Iverson was wearing it.

Just classic classic Michael Jordan, like, suit pants they used to wear. They're just, like, they're so wide. I'm picturing, like, Scotty Pippen, too, which is funny. But, yeah, if you have a moment, go back and look at those drafts. But, yeah, not a lot going on. We move to Mexico, and I guess, you know, you send down the welcome crew first. You get, I don't know. necessarily why Karen is co-hosting this?

Why is there have to be a co-host for things? I think Karen's just kind of like the peacekeeper, so to speak, which is ironic because of how this episode plays out. But I think that she plays mother to a lot of these women. That's fair. So I think that, you know, even Giselle in her relationship, which can be tumultuous at times, like there's still that level of respect for one another.

Well, that's the thing with Karen. And that's why it's so funny to see later with her and Jerez. Even when she doesn't really vibe with somebody, she still keeps it like kind of cop aesthetic and like you can be friends and she values friendship and then just seeing her relationship with Charisse is so bizarre because you're like why you're not giving her like what is going on we'll get there but they get down there and the welcome party goes down with Ashley Wendy and Karen and then the rest of them have to all kind of like file in my first question is what's going on like why is Jacqueline there she's friends with Mia of all fucking people

she's not really friends with anybody else like why like is ashley doing this is like is this producing i think it's probably production i think they know that there's some drama there because we've been talking about the jackel and mea shit all season so they thought that that was going to be like big and play big which i guess it has so now we've got her and now she's taking center stage fighting with me the whole thing seemed weird now i'll tell you what about this place that they're staying in mexico they pull up and i'm like this looks kind of nice And then I see the bar. I'm like, this looks really cool.

And then the other women show up and then they go into this birthday party and it's a fucking like office. Yeah. Like what the hell is this place? How about when Robin is on her balcony? Oh, the broken balcony? The broken balcony. I was like, that's dangerous. You could fall off.

I love that you saw that. Yeah, of course I saw that. Like it was completely unhinged. I was like, that's not good. Like someone could easily take a topple off of that, especially if they're lit. I need to touch on one thing. first, and we're going to have a conversation right now. So Ashley hands out party favors.

What does everybody get? Vibrators. I just think it's funny because, like, women can hand out these, like, vibrators as, like, party favors. That's what I'm saying. Like, but they can see it as like, oh, ha, ha, like a little vibrator. And, like, it's seen as, like, empowering and it's funny and it's fun. And it's just a good gift.

And, like, I've heard about this in the past. This is not the first I've heard of, like, vibrators being handed out. If we show up to like a dude's weekend, I'm like, all right, here's all your room assignments, there's a little toy in there for you, and you walked in and I bought every guy there a fleshlight, it's such a different vibe. Yeah, it really is. It's so strange. And but like even like, I don't know, and we've seen this before. Like the housewives will go on a trip, whatever franchise it is, they'll go on a trip, and they'll get each other vibrators. And I guess that's just like a normal thing to do.

I don't understand it. a fun, funny thing to do. It's kind of like lighthearted, but it's like they're not seen as nearly, and even in my own eyes, it's not nearly as vulgar as like if I gave a guy like a sex toy, it's much dirtier and like darker. Yeah, blow up doll. Yeah, I got you. Hey guys, fun boy strip.

Everyone's got their own blow up doll. I've already named them all for you. The name's written on the packaging. Thanks, guys. But yeah. Anyway, that's all. Yeah. I just wanted to touch on that.

So we get down there. And I guess we can kind of just jump right into the Mia Jacqueline thing. I don't really get it. I also just like don't care. And this is the problem. And I know that a lot of people also do not like Mia. And I'm trying really hard to look at her in like a different light and try to enjoy or at least be interested when things are going on. As soon as she starts arguing, I'm just looking at her.

I'm like, shut up. Like enough. Like I don't get it. She's mad now because of the whole Jacqueline thing where first, off, I guess Mia's paying Jacqueline's sister to be her nanny. And then she's telling her sister to also look after Jacqueline's kids. So her niece and nephew or nieces or whatever also didn't even know that Jacqueline had kids, haven't been interested.

I don't really understand it. Like, what's the big problem if you're so close with Jacqueline? Who gives a shit? Well, the problem was they start commenting on each other's parenting skills or something where, and then Jacqueline throws out there. It takes a village, but you wouldn't know that because Mia grew up as like an orphan and was adopted and was an only child and all that stuff. So Jacqueline throws a dagger in there, but it was after she was scorned by Mia. Mia started talking shit.

Jacqueline clapped back. Mia didn't like it. And I guess they like had a full-blown argument on the plane ride down. Yeah. And of course, like classless Mia and Jacqueline on in first class arguing in front of everybody. That's always fun. But I didn't take that comment about it. takes a village and you wouldn't know that.

Oh, I guess it does. Yeah. At the time, I was like, maybe Jacqueline's saying because, like, she's a single mom and she has to take care of her own kids and Mia doesn't get it because she has a dad or Daddy G. God, I just call him dad. But that's how I took it. Yeah, maybe. That's how I took it.

I have no fucking idea what I was thinking at the time. I was definitely out of it. Yeah. No, I think that that's what sparked Mia kind of like coming after. Yeah, that's kind of fucking mean. It was, yeah. But, you know, you can only be pushed so far. And, like, to try to give Jacqueline some grace here, like, she clearly panders to

Mia 24-7, whether she needs something from her or she's trying to save their friendship or a little bit of both. It probably is, you know, a little bit of both. But you can only take so much shit before you kind of, like, snap. And I think that's what we finally saw here. I think we saw Jacqueline just become unraveled with trying to be okay with all the shit that Mia puts her through and always defending. her and always having her back and speaking on her behalf and like Mia can do no wrong and then

she says one of the worst possible things you can say and she quotes nini leeks who is a former housewife and this was a very famous line to keep your legs close to married men here's the weird part Jacqueline's reaction is i would never sleep with your husband she's talking directly about daddy gee yep jazelle points out she didn't say her husband nope she said married men in general Jacqueline's so distraught she keeps repeating it over and over again i'm like okay stop this is a bad look this is a really bad look then what do you there's got to be something else going on here's way more going on do you think that now because of what's been going on and all these questions that me is now questioning if daddy g and jacqueline ever did hook up so that's exactly we're going after

Here's what I think the root of all of it is. You ready for this? I'm ready. Blow my mind. Here's my gear. Here's my tinfoil moment. I think that at some point there was some sort of infraction on Daddy G's account with Jacqueline. I think something went down that was not cool that Mia did not like.

And I think that to cope with it, Mia has acted like, oh, it's like a thruple. Like, oh, yeah, we fool around. I'm okay with it. it wasn't a big deal because Mia doesn't want to admit that she feels weakness towards Jacqueline who slighted her by hooking up with her husband in some way, shape, or form. So if she acts like she doesn't care,

she remains in power over Jacqueline. And I think that at this moment, Mia's true feelings came out, don't fuck with my husband, Jacqueline's distraught because one, she thought this was water under the bridge, and two, now she has to defend herself, well, we didn't have sex.

It's one of those like, well, is it really cheating? Like, we didn't bang. Yeah. Yeah, that's my tinfoil hat theory. I like that. That's actually a pretty good theory. I have a tinfoil hat theory, and this is just all me a hate. I don't think she does a goddamn thing for that company.

I think that she's just a face for the company. She didn't even know that they started construction on one of the sites. I know. She was like, when did they start construction? And she was like, Monday. She's like, Monday? Really? Is it going to be open by July?

He's like, no. September. Like, you're just fucking wrong. She's got these little post-it notes and shit all around. I think that it's just a fucking facade. I think Daddy G actually really does run. and everything you saw Jacqueline look at him and say you gave me the down payment for my Porsche yep not you mea you don't have fucking money so i really do think that it's all a fucking

joke not a joke for i mean it's a joke for me because that's really funny but for her she's just trying to look like this boss bitch CEO whatever yeah i don't think she does a goddamn thing except show up to these openings and look quote unquote pretty and like it's just not that's what she does and we saw the opening like no one's there except for your friends and the castmates of the show like who throws that kind of grand opening for a chiropractor nobody come on that's like one of those like it's funny because you might see like a gas station like Colleen tells the story all the time when we're driving past her parents house just like you see that gas station over there they had a grand opening that they had a DJ and they had food trucks and I'm like

for a gas station but you know what it makes me think when people work really hard and they get finally something to open they want to have a big party okay I get that gas station okay You have 15 chiropractors. You don't need to do this every goddamn time. No, you don't want to see you every time. You know who it's for? It's for Mia. It's for Mia.

Yeah. That's all it's about. But that's why she's a fake boss. It makes her feel more important than she actually is. So I'm done with Mia. Let's stop talking about her. Let's move on to another goddamn shaman. Yes, we got another shaman.

I wish it had been Fernando. Like, Fernando needed to be there. And I'm bummed that Fernando wasn't there. Like, this guy... I guess was good. I don't know. They definitely didn't have nearly as cathartic of an experience as the ladies of Miami did. But they got through it where then they were all jumping around in the water.

Jacqueline was still crying. I couldn't get it out of my head. The shaman just reminded me of Tommy Chong from Cheech and Chong. He did look like Tommy Chong. Yeah. I don't, like, why is this a thing, though? Like this is what? Our fourth fucking shaman is a fourth shaman.

This is a fourth shaman. This is ridiculous. In months, honestly, not even a year. What does this do? I mean, like, we saw the women. in Miami crying last week and I guess that was a nice moment again I you know me not in touch with my emotions I don't care but this week I was just like oh fuck another shaman really with the smoke and the we're not getting anywhere I'm not even paying attention I'm like I'm just gonna dick

around I guess but nothing happens no do we need the shaman for every freaking birthday party yes whatever we're doing why because I love the shaman scenes now I like to see them for like a minute but like it shouldn't take it more than that no they're there they're they're they are a mainstay for me and I want them to stick around. But this leads to what we've been waiting for all season. What they've done a good job with in Potomac is keeping us interested in other storylines as we get here other than, of course, the Chris storyline, which was ridiculous and stupid. I'm still having it. I think they're done with it. I do too. And I'm not even going to touch on it more than this. That was their biggest slip up this season. But overall, it's been an

entertaining season. We have been waiting for this. Cherise and Karen are at the dinner table and the tensions are high. You can feel the tensions are high. To Cherise's credit, she's trying to talk to Karen. Karen will not let her get a word and Karen keeps trying to like one up her and like shut her down by throwing out evidence that's not really defending any point where and it finally escalates because because Cherise starts to ask her, well, when my mom died, did you call? No. When I got divorced, did you call? No. And Karen's like, well, I sent you a text. I sent my condolences. That's all I needed to do. Blah, blah, blah. Like, when my mom died, she brings it up. And then Sheree says, like, I was at the funeral.

Yeah. She said, I was there. I was there for you. And Karen blows up. Karen stands up from the table. You keep my mom's name out of your mouth, starts yelling about her mom. She's not talking shit about your mom. You're deflecting. This is a deflection 150%. and this is where I'm a Grand Dom supporter, right or died till the end. I love Karen. She's great. She's great for TV.

This makes her look bad. This makes her look like she did something. Exactly. That's the worst part is like it could be something innocuous that maybe, and we find out that obviously Karen has some weird like quips going on where, yeah, she doesn't like her boobs being called tities. She'd rather than just be called boobs. She doesn't like a video of her like dancing and having fun of Miami out on the internet.

So she has these like reserved feelings about herself. So it honestly could be something very minor that maybe Cherise knows and she just doesn't want it to get out. But there's obviously something. And that's brutal because you go back to the reunion. She used again, and I hate this, but like she's essentially weaponizing or using a way to deflect by crying and running away. And that's what she did again. She just waited until the subject turned to something that she could turn into a huge emotion. outburst and she freaked out about her mom to get my mom like don't talk about my mom's funeral like no one was you were like what the fuck are you doing we're talking about why are you doing this if not to cover up for something that you don't want to get out i we just got look i actually we talk about this all the time talk about it with salt lake if we don't find out what happens in this i'm kind of okay with it only because i don't want it to be a bummer you know what i mean like if she's cheating on ray

that's a huge story that's going to go out everywhere. But I feel like we would know that already. I do too. So if it never gets out, I think I'm okay with it because if it's a huge letdown and that's something stupid, I'm going to be pissed off. But if they just keep fighting, I'm okay with that because they actually are fighting and that's really emotion. That was real.

It was real raw emotion. And like, yeah, I appreciate that for sure. It's funny. You said that because it cuts to Giselle and it's like, what, did she kiss one of your boyfriends? Yeah. Like the implications and this is. Giselle also said, why am I watching this geriatric funny?

That was really funny. But the issue with this is the longer you play it out without any kind of inkling of what's going on or what happened, the speculation is going to get worse and worse. And you're going to think that something more major happened. And look, for Karen, who is pretty calm, cool, and collected with most of the women, even when they do something wrong, like we saw with Candace, like she was very quick to be like, you apologize? Let's move on. I'll keep it in my mind, but we're good. For her to hold a grudge for this long tells me that either Sharis did something really fucked up, which I don't know.

I don't think so. I don't think so either. It doesn't feel that way. Behavior doesn't point to that. Or Sharis found something out and Karen iced her out. It's got to be that. That's what it feels like. And it hurts me to say that.

It pains me to say that. And I hope it's nothing major and nothing too damning. But it just doesn't look good. Yeah, there's definitely something going on. now, I mean, we could have a whole, like, half an hour special just speculating on what it could be. Sure. What would be the best, the most TV for you? Would it be that she was stepping out on Ray?

Or, here's my opinion, I think it would be best if she somehow betrayed, say, I don't fucking know. I don't want to throw me under the bus again. I feel like it's low-hanging fruit. But if she, say, betrayed Candace, and nobody knew about that, except. for Cherise. I feel like that would be good if it was like an internal damage thing going on there. I mean, that would be the best outcome as far as like saving face for Karen. Like obviously I don't want to see her having stepped out on Ray because Ray just seems like, you know, a sweet older man. Like he doesn't seem like she did. He probably knows about it. Like that's the thing is he might know about it and be okay with that. Like maybe they have an arrangement. That's a big claim. Well, they have an arrangement where she's allowed to look but she can't touch. Like she's she calls it I can. Andy and Ray signed off on that, which also doesn't sound great now that we're speculating. You know what I mean? Sorry for opening the store?

Yeah, it's just as a grand, what would we call ourselves? La Dom's? I think La Dom's. As a la Dom, I don't want it to be anything too damning. She's not doing herself any favors. Yeah, and we get the dreaded to be continued. To be TBC, but that also leaves the door open to getting an answer. Yes.

And I will say... Although we got a TBC for Heather's black eye. That's a good point. And I have one more theory about that. Oh, let's hear it. And it's not about the black eye. Why Heather is so right or die for Jen? I think Heather's in love with Jen Shaw.

I think it's possible. I genuinely think that. I don't know if it's... That's what Angie Kay brought up. Yeah. Maybe they were getting a little risque in the bedroom. When she was saying that stuff and it seemed like she was just trying to throw daggers because she was pissed off because Jen's now called.

claiming that Angie Kay is the one that punched Heather, which is such a ridiculous claim to make, just like, oh, she did it. But the more I'm, like, looking at it from that lens of, like, maybe she has feelings for Jen, and whether they're sexual or not is completely irrelevant. There's some sort of emotional attachment where she can't see past all the bullshit.

She can't seem to, like, take the blinders off to be, how are you going to defend this woman? I saw videos and confessions from the victims of this. And it's really fucking sad. It is older men and women that have lost everything because of this. They had to move back into their like sons and daughters' houses because they can't afford to live on their own. Like real, real life shit. You can't defend that when someone openly says they're guilty.

And the evidence against her is baffling. It's not even close. You clearly did it. And we're not even on this segment. anymore, but it was still so funny to watch Meredith, Heather and Jen sit in that hotel room and talk about it. I know. Knowing now that she's

like, she's been sentenced, it's over with, whatever. It's just so funny. Like, they're sitting there just having a normal chat. Like, she's going to jail for six and a half years. Like, having a good time, you know, whatever. You're fucking idiots. I hate that we came back around to it, but that was a theory I wanted to get out there. That's not a bad theory.

I could do that. A little Stockholm syndrome maybe. But that takes us to our question portion for the evening. Let's see what we got tonight. From Greer Apollo, what were your thoughts on the summer house trailer, Go Birds. Yes, go Birds. That's always going to get our attention. I don't know. It seems interesting. There's a couple of new faces. Now, we're going to have to do a little bit of homework, but we generally see with these shows when you add too many new faces. It gets a little weird. I think it looks pretty good. Yeah, Carl kind of blown up. I don't

I think he's drinking, but him blowing up at Kyle's always a little bit of fun. I've heard some people refer to it as, you know, it looks like the last couple of seasons, which have been clunkers for the most part. It's going back to like its old glory days. So I hope so. You know, I really like Summerhouse when I first started watching it. And the last couple of seasons have been kind of disappointing. So let's hopefully get back.

Yeah, no, I've enjoyed Summerhouse because I got into it late. So even the bad seasons weren't terrible because I didn't really know what I was getting into. So I still enjoyed them. It's not too late watch yet. It's not too ready. Yeah. You know, it's not the Housewives where it's 24-7 for, you know, six to seven months. It's every other, you know, it's weekends in the Hamptons.

So you get just a taste here and there. If I swear to God of Sierra and Austin are a thing again, I'm going to stop watching. I want that. Why? Why do you mean why? It's the stupidest storyline. It makes, no, I don't want to see it dragged out. I'll just get together, be together, and like, move the fuck on.

Nah. Done with it. cannot do better than Sierra. He should not be on Summerhouse at all. I've had enough of Austin. All right? Like I don't, I really don't think he's that bad. I just stay in your respective shows, okay, everybody, for a little while. Enough of this crossover bullshit. All right. From, from Zara Eelan, I hope I said that right, Zara, Zeraylan. Zerailan. One day I'm going to be good at reading names.

No, you're not. Do you think the Grand Dame fight was real or staged? I think it was real. That was definitely real. That was 100% real. There's no way that that was staged. I had to really think about that question, make sure I was like hearing it right? Yeah.

Yeah. I thought it was pretty. Yeah, it's very real. That's one of the realer ones we've seen, I think. That was raw motion. Real. Zer. I think it's Zara, but there's an E in there.

Maybe that's your middle name. Zara E. Allen? Fuck, is that it? It's hard. That's awesome. Moving on. From Mary Had a Little. Thank you.

That's easy. If Jen does a sit down with Andy, will you cover it? Yeah, because we have to. Oh, God, I'm going to hate that. Three and a half hours. You know they're going to make it like three parts, right? It's going to be three episodes. And here's my biggest issue with it.

I need a new TV. Honestly, my biggest. my biggest issue is that I don't want to give her any more screen time. She is a terrible, terrible, horrible person. And we know she's going to lie. She's going to try to make herself look good. She's going to come up with every excuse in the book. Don't give her the time of day.

This is not some groundbreaking interview with like a sketchy public figure. Like let's get the real story from them. Like this is a housewife that defrauded elderly people out of money. let her fade off and send her to fucking prison please yeah i think i think what we can at least what steel and i can claim right now is we'll watch it but we don't want to give her any more screen time so unless there's something like groundbreaking or earth shattering whatever that happens or comes to light we're probably not going to talk about it yeah like we're just gonna gloss over it we'll touch we'll touch briefly but i'm gonna tweet something out like that day

little PSA, hey, everybody, remember Jen Shaw is a piece of shit. So if you're going to watch it, don't give her any airtime. Make fun of her the whole time. Great, fine by me. But don't give her any, like, props for anything. Absolutely not. From Omar Key. How is Heather going to do damage control next season with the girls and the fans?

I have no clue. Good luck. I don't know how you come back from this season. It was... She's just going to act like nothing happened, probably. That's her go-to move, but, like, Yeah. I just hope Whitney calls it. Because Whitney has progressed and, like,

growing up so much that I could see Heather just acting like nothing happened. I could see Meredith being okay with that because they both stood by Jen for so long. So they're both in the same shitty bucket. And then I feel like Whitney's going to call her out on her shit and be like, I don't know, last year you're kind of a bitch. I don't know what you're doing this year. And maybe we'll get a good dynamic out of it. Maybe it'll make for good TV.

At least there won't be a convicted felon on TV anymore. So, yeah, there's a good thing. I guess there is an upside for our next season, if there is one. And to finish it off, arguably one of the greatest questions we've ever gotten from S. Duds 81. Oh, wait, no, I misread that. This isn't a good question. If the Eagles weren't in the playoffs, what team would you like to see win the Super Bowl? Nobody.

If the Eagles don't win, we want everybody to lose. We're not fair weather fans. What the hell? Yeah. If the birds aren't in it, then we don't watch it. We definitely watch it, but figuratively speaking. Like every play of every game, still watch it,

but I don't know. I'll give her a, if the Bills, probably, give her a real answer. If we're going to do this, all right, if we're going to give you a real answer, this took a turn. Just because I'm so confident that we are going to win it. Yeah, I feel, I feel good about it too.

I mean, the Bills would be cool for sure. Seahawks. Actually, that's it. That's my answer. I would like to see Gino, Smith, rise from the ashes as he has this season, and for him to make it to the Super Bowl after being counted out for almost a decade. They'll finally right back.

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