Bros & Shows - The Last Straw in Jersey- (RHONJ Finale, RHOAs15e03, Summer House Finale)

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

What's up Bros?! It's our first official Two Episode week! From here on out expect TWO EPISODES every week! Today, we get into the RHONJ Finale and where we stand after the blowout at Dolores' and Paul's Prohibition party. Danielle takes it upon herself to tell Melissa about the rumor which ignites a fuse that blows everything up. Louie has never been redder and he goes after everyone. When the dust settles, was this the last straw for Joe and Melissa? Then we FINALLY get to Atlanta, and we were not disappointed. Drew is trying to get her music career back on track and gets an opportunity to go sing with Candiace. Kandi is trying to juggle her work/ home balance as she tries to be supportive of Todd's dreams. Meanwhile, Cousin Courtney keeps trying to insert herself into Kandi's business and Marlo wants Kandi to start talking about her business on TV. We wrap up Summer House with a banger of a finale. It had parties, fights, fun and drama, all the reasons we watched to begin with. Craig and Paige try to find their way forward. Corey and Sam seem to be in a great place as the summer ends... But the Danielle and Lindsay drama has reached a breaking point and Lindsay shows little emotion as Danielle breaks down. But who is at fault...? Time Stamps: RHONJ (9:54) RHOA(37:27) Summer House (1:00:23) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros.

Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your... co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Skeets, Scoots Magoutes. What's up, dude? I like the slight pause there. You were trying to think of something good. I had to think, I'm running out of, I never thought that would be a problem, but I've never said your name this many times in a year. So I'm running out of fun things to say. And here's

the problem. And it's going to become a bigger problem. This is our first official second episode week. We have two episodes coming this week. So now we're going to have two every week. I'm not going to be able to keep up. So here's my call to our audience. You guys need to start making up Shooter Magouter names and sending them my way so that I can start dropping them on the podcast so I stay original.

I'm going to use your content. I'll give you a shout out. But let's hear some of, you know, it's Shooter McGueter, Scoot's McGee, Shooter McGavin, Scooter. There's a lot of different ways to do it. So that's my challenge to the audience. My challenge to the audience is to come up with something

that I haven't heard before because I've heard all of those that you just mentioned. As Steel said, we've been doing this for a year. And welcome to two show season. Two show season, baby. We're here. There's a ton of content for us to cover. So rather than making you sit through two hours and have to wait until Friday and so on and so forth,

why don't just split it up? You know, you get to hear us a couple times a week now. Wednesday, Friday. That's the schedule as of right now. I don't think that'll change. That seems reasonable today. Yeah, that way everybody gets to enjoy their weekend. and look forward to Wednesday.

Yeah, but we're not going to do Rosen Thorne. We're going to save that for a Friday episode. We'll have to come up with a new bit for Wednesday. We'll come up with a new bit again, called to our audience. Send in some bits. No, I'm just kidding. We'll come up with something. Yeah, we'll make them do all the work for us.

Hey, you figure it out. You guys figure. You tell us what you want. But first things, first, plugs, shall we? Plug it up. All right, I'm going to plug you real quick. July 26th, City Winery in New York. York City. We are going to be there with a hashtag no filter night out with Zach Peter. So make

sure you get your tickets. They are selling faster than the Philadelphia show and the Philadelphia show is sold out fast. So if you don't have a ticket yet, this is not a marketing ploy. Because when we announce our guests, you are going to see tickets fly off the shelves, the virtual shelves, because the guests are going to be amazing. We already kind of know who they're going to be. We can't announce who they are, but I promise you you're not going to want to miss them. So get your tickets now come see us at the city winery July 26th yeah let's just say that we've got guests chomping at the bit to come join us because we're polarizing people you know Jesus here we go a couple of influencers up on the stage and everybody wants to be part of it so you go be part of it

go get your ticket come join us I heard from somebody who lives in New York that this city winery is quote unquote the nice city winery so I don't know which one we were dealing with before but apparently this is the right one and we saw in Atlanta that Candice was on a city winery tour so are we yeah well we're not on a tour we are officially I think two makes a tour because a tour denotes a previously like scheduled date and I think that belittles Candace's tour because she's actually on a real legitimate tour it's like posters for Candice Dillard's tour so I'm not going to jump on that bandwagon I'm just going to say we are in the process of potentially touring but that also that paints a picture that we are going to do a

tour, and I don't want to give people promises, false promises. Don't say, I will. What do you mean? How many people have messaged us in the past, like, three weeks saying, you guys got to come here, you guys got to come here, you guys got to come here. Eventually, we're going to have to make it happen. I'm down for a tour. I'm just saying, this technically is not a tour.

I mean, I don't know. I feel like now it's semantics, but. I think we need to find out if there's a city winery in Seattle, shout out Seattle. There's a huge contingency out there that listens to us. And I even floated around the potential date because the, The birds are playing out there in December. So look, we're not putting anything in stone, but you guys want us to come places. I'd rather be other places sometimes than here, especially in the shitty months.

So if you live in a nice area, maybe around November, we can get out of here and go to somewhere warm. That's not a hint. We don't have anything locked in, but I'm down. I've told you. My favorite thing in the world now is doing live shows. So I'm down to go wherever, whenever, let's get some dates on the schedule. Plug number two, double plug. plug number two next wednesday for the vpr reunion part two we are going to be at barstool sandsom downtown

in philly we're collaborating with them for a watch party so you have to sign up online if you want a slot i think the last one that they did was for the finale and i think it's sold out pretty quick so if you want to come hang out with us watch the reunion see me throw a notebook live gets your spot fill it out we'll see you guys downtown yeah it's going to be really interesting because we have said on this podcast before, that watching in a bar or watching with a lot of people around us isn't really something that would interest us. But you know what? I watched the videos from last week when they did the finale there, and it looks like a good time.

George's Nyang was there. I can't believe in the man. The minivan. Yeah. George the minivan was there. And if he's a shot, getting ready for VPR, I love it. If he's there again, I'm going to be starstruck. The minivan.

George Nyang is a brav bro. Yep. Wow. See? They're everywhere. They're professional athletes. They're amongst us all. So if you're a brav, bro, and you're still hiding in the shadows,

it's time to rip off that mask and come out into the sun, my friend. Well, the good thing is that Peacock is airing extended versions of the reunion the day after. So even if we don't quite catch everything there, and we can kind of be a little bit loose. We don't have to really be on our game. We can just rewatch the extended version the next day in the comfort of our own homes. So this is more like a party. So come join the party next Wednesday, Barstall Sansom.

I've been there before. I've waited in that line. Hopefully we bypass the line this time. I think we might have an end, but if you see us waiting outside, look, we're just like all of you. We're not special, despite what shooters says.

That's why I prefaced it or posted it. Pre-post pre-post preface. That's what we do here. Anyway, let's get into it so we don't drag you guys out for two hours. Up first. We had the Rone-J finale last week, so we're playing a little catch-up.

overall how is the season for you yeah yeah like overall eh i mean we spent the first couple episodes just talking about how the new people were going to kind of mesh in they got meshed in in not really the way that we wanted them to but by the end of the season i guess they kind of came full circle and they started to make their own decisions and that's okay but overall we still just got stuck in the rut that is joe and teresa and dealing with all of that and then talking behind each other's backs there were a couple of aha moments but overall me i'm going to give it a six and a half probably i think i'll meet you there i like six and a half out of ten and i think that there's a lot of promise i think that the newbies can bring a different element to this

show so i'm not that's why it's above a five i think is because of the prospect of new things coming yeah i do want to ask because of the fallout between teresa and Melissa, it seems like it might not be mendable this time. I think they're putting the show on pause as of now because they can't figure it out. Yeah. Do you think that they will figure out a way to at least film together, or do you think that somebody's going to go? I think somebody has to go.

Yeah, I agree. We talked about this with Zach last week, and that's why I kind of forgot that we didn't even really touch on this because of all the VPR stuff. But we kind of see one, we see Teresa say love bubble 15 times in a row, and it's really kind of like piqued my interest thinking she has something in the works with a love bubble with a love bubble type of show with her and louie kind of just going off and doing their own thing but then where does jersey end up because i don't really want to see it and again like teresa hasn't done a whole lot this year but we're still stuck in that rut so something does need

to change but i am afraid to see what jersey looks like without teresa because i feel like she's a huge influence and i'm afraid to see who's going to try to fill those shoes whether it's marge or Melissa like I don't really know what it's going to look like the cleaner version I think is to get rid of Melissa and Joe just because all they've been doing is just agitating the same storyline over and over and over again and not really presenting us with anything new from their lives when you're not going to do that and we talk about this with every show

and this isn't just for Joe and Melissa for the people who are mad that were Team Teresa, team Joe, whatever if you're not bringing us new information if you're not bringing us something new to the table over and over again and you've had 10 years to do this, you kind of have to go. Counterpoint, do you want to see them have a season where Teresa's not there to see what they can bring? Because I do.

I think that they deserve the chance to try to prove that they belong on the show. Because I don't, I think that because of the shadow that Teresa has casted, even before there was all this drama, and the drama has pretty much been the entirety of the show. But even when they entered the show, like she's already casting a big shadow. then this drama comes up between the two of them that's irrevocable. So do you think that without her on the show, we might get a Joe and Melissa that we haven't seen

because I'm down for that. I feel like we've seen all sides of Teresa. I know what I'm going to get from her. I know what I get from her when she's not talking about Joe and Melissa, even though that's few and far between. I don't know what we get with a Teresa-free Joe and Melissa. I would like to see that, at least one season to see what they can do. Unfortunately, I think I do know what we get, and it's nothing.

And that's kind of where I am where, yeah, I guess like they've been there for long enough. So at least try to see what it looks like. So I won't fault Bravo. I won't fault anybody who's supporting that. If we go into next season without Teresa and they give Melissa and Joe a shot just to see what it looks like. But I feel like we've seen over and over again what they can bring. And it's never anything personal. Like, I don't care if your daughter is getting a car.

I need to see more from your family. I need to see more from the inner workings of your marriage that doesn't revive. off around Teresa and Joe, or Teresa and Louie. And I do feel like we're still going to get that because if we give them another year, I think that's all they're going to talk about is life without Teresa or we're not talking to Teresa. Like, she's not even on the show anymore. Like, I can already see myself getting upset about it.

So I feel like that would do more damage. I feel like a clean break, even if Teresa were to go and do her own thing, maybe just drop Melissa and Joe and let's see what we have here with the rest of them. I don't think you can afford to drop a both. I think that because of mainstays and the loyalty to these women that people have, you can't afford to lose all the Gorgas. I guess, yeah. I just don't.

I'm worried of what it's going to look like when with either of them leaving, honestly, because then it frees up Teresa to go do other things. But without Joe, she was just on this love journey. And that's going to get boring after a while. If we don't get the old Teresa back, then what are we going to have? We don't have the, Teresa is checked out. I think the main thing is, I'm afraid that Marge is going to try to step up in a big way, and she's already so annoying to me that I don't want to see her in the middle, if you will.

We get so many Marge supporters reaching out saying, you guys are really harsh on Marge. It's like an oxymoron. Have you seen how she talks to people? We're harsh on her. Are you shitting me? Look, we've derailed this enough already. Let's dive in. We have our 17th Roaring 20s party of the past year.

do you think Bravo pushed that and they had to have no I really don't because I remember being I was in my 20s in like 2019 and I'm like oh I'm so excited for now obviously they're not in their 20s but I was excited for theme parties of the roaring 20s now even me in my 20s would be tired of it by 2021 it seems like they're kind of catching up and you know boomer mentality they're kind of catching up on these things so I don't think Bravo's pushing it I think that people are just having a hard time being creative we've had it across the board Every franchise has had a Roaring 20s party, but this one at least has like an Irish prohibition theme to it. So it's a little different. And I like the Irish dancers out front. I like that Polly took it upon himself to do the whole thing. Paul's, he's just a different level of like, man. He is.

Amongst these guys. Like he just takes care of his own shit. He doesn't rely on anybody else. Like he takes care of business. And I like that about him. And it's not even like he doesn't really hide from the spotlight, if you will. But he's absolutely. not trying to push the spotlight

on himself. No, he doesn't pine for it. It seems like he's just kind of living his life. Like really none of this has changed him. He loves Dolores. He wants a life with her. He has his own life that we don't really need to see or see at all. And that's fine for a house husband. And he still doesn't really like he does nice things like this or he suggests going to Ireland for the girls. He's a big influence without actually pushing anything for himself. And I think I really like that.

No, that's a really good way to describe them. But the first thing I want to highlight Fuda and Marge are talking about Danielle who's not present there so they're doing exactly what they got mad at Danielle about talking behind people's back

saying things you're not supposed to say but whatever Fuda asks like what's going on with her she's now trying to paint this picture that she gives a shit which is hysterical because clearly once again like if Fuda's shown me anything

this season it's she's just playing the game everything she does is a chess move or she thinks is a chess move but I would more say that she's playing checkers I don't think that it's deep enough to call it chess. But Marge immediately bounces back at her and goes, you know what, everything's always about her. She has to make everything about her, which I haven't seen.

I haven't seen that one time her try to make it about herself. Everything's about her, and then she just pouts and she pouts and she cries until she gets her way. It's like, that's not, none of that has gone down that way. I don't think Marge will ever understand that something is personally affecting Danielle. We never see anything personally. Like, we've seen in the past where she has brought up things about, you know, her kids not talking to her or other people have talked about it but she shuts it down have she hasn't she shuts it down immediately yeah so she will never go into that so when somebody is

actually going through something like daniel is it's just so far into marge because daniel didn't lean on marge like rachel did like rachel leans on marge and you can tell marge knows all about how she's adopting jaden and so on and so forth daniel did not do that she immediately was talking to somebody that she thought was a friend and obviously got caught up in all of so immediately was on Marge's bad side. If it was vice versa, Marge would be there. Oh, sweetie, oh, sweetie, all honey, you know, it's just him. It's whatever.

Like, don't worry about any of that. And then she would go attack somebody else. But the thing is, I do think that Rachel has changed and not in the way that, like, I'm opposing you in any way, shape, or form. I think that last week what we saw at Teresa's bridal shower, where Danielle did clap at Rachel, she could not handle it. Oh. I think that she's scared.

I think that yes she knows how to play the game because she's watched all these shows blah blah blah whatever I think she's scared I like that she does not want to be in the position that Daniel's and she's seen how people are attacking Danielle constantly so why not be a nice friend now

and try to make good the good thing is Danielle's not having any of that shit no she ain't about it knows that now Rachel could be a snake now I don't think that Rachel has the strength to kind of put up with it and be a marge I think that she's a little scared.

So I think that she tried to mend a little bit of a broken relationship with Danielle right there, not trying to be fake. I think that she genuinely wanted to do it. That's interesting. I like that take a lot. And we do end with them semi-squashing it. It didn't seem like they were totally cool with each other, but they agreed to at least try to move forward.

And that's when they start to dig a little bit into what was going on with Danielle in Ireland. Hey, what happened? You seem to be checked out. be really in your head is it about your brother like what's the deal and this is when we've seen the previews about it and we've been you know there's been inklings about this rumor since before the season started but this is when the Melissa rumor starts to come to light we see Danny go outside talk to Jen and she's like hey I'm going to spill the beans Jen well Jen is perfect for this show she really is she's great for the show but as far as

subtlety she has none None. Because she's sitting there talking, she's like, oh, don't do that. I, the reason, and then she goes into a confessional, and she's like, the reason that I didn't say anything is I didn't want to air out her dirty laundry, like what happened to me last year with Bill. Jen, you're the one that said this on TV first. You are the one that threw the bomb. Yep. Danielle is just being a good friend and bringing it to the person that the rumor's about.

That's what you probably should have done instead of drop the bomb, but I'm not going to tell anybody, even though there's a can. camera six feet from my face. You know what you're doing. And then what's interesting is people have said that this was Teresa's plan altogether. They've lumped Danielle. I don't believe this at all in the slightest, but they lumped all three of them in saying pretty much that there was a conversation had before this party in which Teresa was like, you're going to spill the tea.

I've heard that rumor. I think that's ridiculous. I think Danielle genuinely was trying to be a good friend, but you hear the other women that opposed Teresa jump on that same bandwagon and say, oh, this is all Teresa. She knew it was going to happen. I...

So... Oh, no. I don't think they planned for it to happen in that specific moment. However, think about it this way. Okay. Teresa is going to manipulate the situation. Obviously, she wants that news

to get back to Melissa. Yes. She didn't plan on everybody understanding that it came from Teresa to begin with. So it backfired on her entirely. But I think that Teresa carefully, didn't even need to be careful, told Jen, knowing that Jen may, maybe she told Jen to tell Danielle, whatever. I do firmly believe that Teresa planted a seed in Jen. Yes, absolutely.

And Danielle, being a newbie, maybe she needs a storyline. Maybe she needs a big moment. Let's see what happens in this first season. Let's plant the seed there and just see what happens. Did they plan on in the happening exactly that moment? No, no chance in hell. but I think that they knew that eventually Danielle was going to say well let me go talk to Melissa and let her know because we saw in the past

Melissa and Danielle had a good conversation about losing a sibling and so on and so forth so being able to kind of plant that seed in Danielle knowing fully that she is going to be a big person and go tell Melissa to her face I think that's what Teresa ultimately wanted okay I don't I don't think the three of them sat down and had a conversation about it I think that they knew that Danielle was going to do it because, one, she's new, might need a storyline, and two, that's just kind of who she is. It was an inception. They pulled an inception. Yeah, they pulled an inception.

It was a dream inside of a dream. They were a dream back from Ireland. They incepted Danielle. Yes. Okay. I'm down with that. I like that. Michael Kane was there.

Michael Kaine. I know how swabs? No. But during all this hullabaloo, if you will, or pre-Hullabaloo, Louis arrives looking redder than the sun. He walks in and he looks like he legitimately just stuck his face against a UV light for 20 minutes before he walked into that house. But we have to take a sidestep because Jen Fessler, the queen of friend ofves, the grand dame of friend ofs, if you will, she is an absolute champion, goes up to Frank Jr. And I don't even know if she knows she was on camera. Like this was just a funny moment

where she's like, get your phone out. And he's like, okay. She's like, you got a girlfriend? It's like, no she's like yeah get your phone out and she puts her number in frank junior's phone i think she's the best yeah no she's great and and frank junior it's so funny because i actually saw something on twitter this past week that had us and watch with crappins in the tweet oh i like that talking about frank junior and it was so i was listening to the brabros talk about it and how afraid frank junior was that anything would pop off at that dinner with with frank and polly yeah and then i went over to watch what crappens they were talking about how fuckable Frank Jr is. It's like, that's a great dichotomy. We need both of those things

in our lives. And like, that's what you're going to get here. But I, again, think that Frank Jr. is just like, oh, my God, man, I got to be around these housewives all the time. There's always shit going on. I think part of them probably loves it. But as a 23-year-old guy, there's no way that he wasn't flatter when Fessler's like, put my number in thought. Yeah. And he definitely texted his friends like, dude, guess what? I just got this chick's number. Well, especially with Fessler coming out talking about how she had sex with Tony soprano so oh he could be Eskimo brothers with Tony Soprano that would be

pretty cool hey Frank part of him Frank that's pretty cool that's pretty cool Frank anyway let's just do it let's let's get into Louis because he is a fucking tornado coming into this party he looks like

he's been eating nothing but pasta all night long like a diet that only consists of pasta no food because he walks in his eyes are so wide he's so wide he's Joe Red, and he's just kind of erratic. Like, as soon as he walked in the party, I was like, ooh, something's off. Like, he doesn't seem right.

He doesn't say hi to Joe. Doesn't say hi to Melissa. It goes out of his way to kind of avoid the both of them, which I thought was a weird move. Yeah. Again, I think that Teresa probably texted him and said, hey, this is what's going on like that. Because he came right after that. One thing to note here, and I've been trying to keep track of moments where, because people say that Louie's manipulative and I, given the past four or five episodes, I cannot say

otherwise so I'm trying to look at specific moments and I found one that I thought was it kind of piqued my interest I was like huh he tells Teresa when she's happy there's a moment where you know she's talking to him they're kind of just discussing the awkwardness at the party like the fact that Joe hasn't said anything the fact that Melissa hasn't said anything and he's like you know what they don't make you happy like you're happy you're so happy but when they're around you're not happy so now he's telling her when to be happier when she is happy He's dictating her feelings to her. And I don't even think that she notices.

Like, I think she's like, oh, he knows me. He knows me so well. He knows that I'm not happy right now. Like, I just think that she falls into this trap that he's kind of, he's laid this intricate, manipulative trap for her in which every single thing that he says kind of points her, right? Yeah, it's all emotional, too. Like, he always talks about her emotions and how she's going to feel about something and how something's going to make him or her feel.

And that's really kind of what the base of all. all of his manipulations is. And one thing, and we can kind of just move right into it, when we talk about how Melissa found out that there was a rumor circulating about her cheating on Joe, it was Louis's idea, supposedly, to call Joe to bring him over to his family to go talk about that. Now, one thing that stood out to me is for a bunch of people that talk about family and how important family is all the time. and obviously there's the overlying issue with Joe and Teresa

to not view Melissa as family when it's a rumor. Now, if Teresa or Louis had caught Melissa red-handed and they went to Joe individually to Joe, I think that's okay. Because look,

like we caught your wife hooking up with another guy. We need to talk. Fine. When you hear a rumor from fucking three people removed from yourself and then you go out of your way to just,

to just isolate Joe and talk about this, that's super disrespectful to Melissa and his marriage. So for people that love family all the time, that's fucking weird. They're trying to actively tear apart the family. They always manipulate situations. But that's Louis M.O. And for him to just throw himself into it.

And I fully believe this, too. I originally was like, uh, you know, maybe he's just taken the fall for Teresa. No. I think that from day one, we've seen Louis insert himself where he's not needed or wanted. And he did this again.

he took it upon himself to contact joe i bet you teresa in her mind is like why don't do that let's not do that but louis's not going to be stopped and i think that's kind of where teresa is now and i think it goes back to what i was saying like it points like between me and you these last two comments i think you just figured it out you cracked the code i think he 100% wanted to get involved in the drama he does that very well by pointing teresa in a certain direction getting her riled up when he wants to escalating the situation when he wants to escalating the situation when he wants to on his terms but he came out looking like the good guy we even gave him grace he manipulated you and i for the first four or five episodes because like here he's he looks like he's

trying to bridge the gap he looks like he's actually trying to mend this relationship let's give it a shot but all he's trying to do is come between them so he controls the narrative yep that's all we're seeing with him and tonight not tonight but the night at the party kind of solidifies that because there's a moment when we're trying to jump all around but there's a moment After the fighting stops, where he goes back downstairs, and that's kind of the Teresa crew is as reconvened below and they're about to leave. He tells the story of what just happened upstairs, and it is night and day from what actually happened. Yeah, way different. He accuses Joe of being the instigator.

He accuses Joe of coming at him. It's like, no, you started that shit. Joe was weirdly calm for an extended time. For the first time ever. Yeah, until you went after his wife. And by the way, dude, you deserve whatever heat you get after that. If you're going to bow up on a woman, if you're going to get in her, her face. And the only reason you did that, by the way, is because Danielle's husband is

standing in between the two of you because you're a big red pussy. You don't get to go downstairs and then spin this narrative. Like, oh, your brother's doing it again. Like, oh, my God, I'm just trying to be nice. I'm just trying to, I love peace. I love peace. I love you and I love peace. That's all I love. Like, you look really good. Thank you. I've been practicing a lot because this fucking guy's always on my TV screen. But you see him. You catch him in these moments. The Bo Diedel shit. Bo Diedel comes up later. I guess he hired a PI to investigate the whole friend group. Well, Bo Dietl came out and said he absolutely did not do any work for Louie. Well, that regardless of whether he did or not, for him to claim that,

double down at the reunion from what Andy said in an interview with chicks in the office, and then for him to be on to watch what happens live and say, no, no, no, no, no, I never happened. No, look, I was, I was emotional. It was very emotional, Andy. Andy, I'm super fucking red and very emotional because I'm Sunberg. No, it's just you see, like, it's just little by little by little, the mask continues to fall off and I think he's fully exposed.

Yeah, no, I think he is now and everybody can kind of see where he is and what his agenda is and that's kind of where we are at the end of the season. And I think that, again, reunions are important and I'm actually looking forward to this one

because of all the information that spewed out at the end. I love when that happens. I love when we get all this new information. I love when we get like rivalries renewed or whatever. The reunion is a place to happen. it out i don't think we need the teresa wedding episode i really don't care about it i don't care we've

seen enough we've seen all the pictures we've seen videos from all the different housewives that posted stuff we've seen enough and from the trailer it looks like there might be like a little piece of marge saying why is melissa not here other than that i really do think it's just going to be about the wedding which we have to watch of course we'll comment on it on friday maybe but overall i I don't need it. No, they over, Bravo over promoted it. Yep. Early on.

They gave us too much of it. So now, one, I didn't care to begin with because the love bubbles bullshit. But two, I really don't care now because I've seen it. I've seen everything. I've heard comments from it. I've heard the drama that happened there or did not happen there. I heard who was and was not invited. Like, I got it.

I know the story. I don't need to see it. But back to the finale, we just got a couple more things to touch on. Marge insert herself into the conversation with Melissa. The Melissa conversation didn't go at all how I thought it would. No. I thought she was going to be receptive. I thought she was going to think, you know what, that's tough.

Thank you for telling me. I already knew about it. But instead, she spins it real quick and goes back at Danielle and brings Teresa into it. She goes, does that seem like a good sister-in-law to you and starts digging in on Teresa? And Danielle was taken off guard, I think. I don't think she was ready for that response. I think she was ready for like a kumbaya moment. Instead, she then starts to dig back at Melissa.

She's like, well, why? does no one ever talk about Marge in this? Like, she seems to be left alone at all times, but she's the one that's allegedly starting all this shit, but you won't say anything about it. It is really weird, and it's one of those moments where we, the viewer, know what's

going on, and you and I are screaming at the television, bring Marge into it. This is Marge's fault. Her friend, Laura, heard this information, gave it to Marge. Marge then clearly told people, or else it wouldn't have gone anywhere. If Marge was truly a good friend, she would

sat down with Melissa and said, hey, I heard this. I'm not telling anybody else. I'm not going to spew this information elsewhere. Instead, we hear about it from Danielle, who's new that you just met six months ago. Right. And Marge is implicated. Why is no one upset about this? How many times does this need to happen for somebody to look at Marge and be like, what the fuck? Shut your mouth. But here comes the big bad wolf from left field and Marge comes stomping over. I keep hearing my name. I keep hearing my name over here. What's going on? What's going? You're disgusting. You're, that she always, she leads off. Anytime she's about to say something. horrible, she leads off with your disgusting.

And then she, her move is just to keep yelling until the other person stops. Fucking Danielle came full circle for me and I told you Danielle was going to be a star and I think that this episode points to her potentially having a very successful housewife career because Marge gets in her face, Danielle does not back off. Danielle doubles down. She triples down. She smacks her own ass and says, you can kiss my ass. turns around and gets right in Marge's face

this is when Marge does what Marge does and anybody that stands by Marge and says that she's not an asshole is an asshole because Marge legitimately goes this is why your brother will never talk to you again one the other thing she says to Jen she goes that's why Bill slept to the subordinate

it's like you don't have to bring specifics in because you know that makes it a lot more dirty than it actually is especially when Jen's still getting over the fact that you ruined her marriage And her fucking daughter wants to be a love therapist. Because of you, Marge, because she won't take any ownership. But this is what Marge does whenever she does get slightly pushed. And she was more than slightly pushed this time.

And this is great because we need this. But she gets slightly pushed and then immediately erupts and says unforgivable things. And you know what happens after that? Nothing. She might give you a half-assed apology. Oh, I don't even give a shit about that. I'm talking about her friends around her. Oh, zero.

We'll never hold her accountable for the terrible things that she says. And that goes for the stupid fans that are in our DMs that are talking about Marge and how we go too hard on her. She says some of the most unforgivable things in all of Housewives across the board. And for whatever reason, she gets a pass and people talk about how the show needs her because she's a shitsterer. Like, no, there are shitsters. There's the Giselle version of shitsters, which we just don't need. And then there's Marge who just goes way overboard and is never held accountable because we need her on the show. No, we need her to rein her the fuck in.

And the only way to really rein her in is that people need to consistently go against her. And hopefully that's what Danielle's going to do. And hopefully, Jen will kind of try to find a voice, which it looks like she kind of did a little bit, to the point where she's not even blaming her husband at this point. Her husband's the one who cheated on her. I know. She walks down and Bill goes, I'm so sorry that I had to put you in this position. Never seen that before, Bill?

Never seen that before. But look, if Marge is going to keep doing this, then she's going to end up rallying troops against her. and that's what I think we need. And maybe we'll see a little bit of that at the reunion and hopefully a lot more of it next year because I want to see what Marge looks like when she's backed into a corner and she really can say whatever the fuck she wants

and nobody cares. Well, I got to ask you, so knowing what we know now. So this meeting, this Louis thing happens months ago. Yeah. And we had to sit through an entire season. Yeah. And we bashed the stupid storyline over and over again and questioned why Joe

didn't just sit back and just let Louis erupt and say look at this fucking guy he's crazy do you think because now I kind of feel bad for them because they were holding it tight close to their chest do you think that they should have either a let us know

as the viewer that this is what happens like oh yeah louis tried to get me to turn on my wife in this whole fucking meeting about this whole thing or b do you have respect for them holding on to it and not making it a circus um I think it's a double edge sort I think that holding onto it was

probably more so for selfish reasons just to not air that dirty laundry out on TV. I don't know if it was just to, like, hold it close to their chest and move on. I'm not sure if it was, I think it probably had more to do with, like, I don't want to deal with this. But look, if you're in an actual family that cares about a family, you wouldn't out any rumors that you hear about your family. So I think that that maybe shows that they give a shit, but I don't think they actually do give a shit. No, I'm really confused on how I feel about them right now because I kind of respect that they didn't let it out because of obviously it's Melissa cheating implications. Right. But it could have hurt Teresa if they used it the right way. Yeah, and now I'm just like looking back at this whole season, like there were so many opportunities that you could have just bashed them.

And after seeing kind of this last week, and I don't know where people really stands because it's hard to get in, Ryan Bailey even said this, it's hard to get into the Jersey. people on Twitter because they will kill each other. And if you jump on either side, they will murder you. But when it comes down to it, like, I feel like they kind of did themselves a disservice by sitting there and just taking it and just doing the same old bullshit storyline because us as viewers are tired of it. And we're kind of pointing to Joe and Melissa, like, you guys aren't doing anything. You're just loating on this fucking stupid storyline that we don't care about anymore.

If they had brought this, we would have been sympathetic to them. Yeah. I think that maybe they were a little. afraid that like oh crap like if we bring up this storyline about Melissa potentially cheating with a rumor that's circulating and how Louis intercepted it and took it upon himself to do all this I think they may have been a little afraid that people would have taken Teresa's side and been like oh yeah Melissa is definitely cheating on Joe I understand I get it it's just tough it's a tough spot when you're on a reality show and we understand that but I'm really confused because I've

always viewed Melissa and Joe as the reality show like hungry people that need this They want this. This is their life. So maybe that... And now I'm looking at it like they didn't divulge this information to protect themselves. And now I'm like, am I wrong about them entirely? I don't know. I think this is why they've earned the right to have a Teresa free season.

I think there's more there with Joe and Melissa Gorga. I think there is and I think that whether it's good, bad, or otherwise, I would like to see that only because I've seen Teresa. I know what it is. She's also phoned it in for the instance. entire season. She's been half-ass. Give the other two a shot. See how it goes. Because look, after this season with Teresa, it was a 6.5. So all of these shows are changing. We've seen Beverly Hills do a recast a lot of people. We've seen people come back. Roney's an entirely

new cast. You got to shake it up, clearly. So in tune with everything else going on in Bravo. Yeah. Get rid of somebody. I vote Teresa. Kick her off the show for a year. her own spin-off. Whatever the fuck you want to label it as, I don't really care. Get her out of there. I'm sick of Louie on the screen as well. I'm not. I think he's fucking great for TV.

He's a lunatic. He's a lunatic. I know, and he's a lunatic. He's got tighter blood. I agree that maybe in like two or three seasons, I'll be... Two or three. Yeah, I need more Louis content. I don't need two or fucking three of them, man.

He's a great for TV. And also, the best part is having a podcast, I don't have to feel bad about saying bad things about him. That's fair. I feel bad about saying bad things about a lot of people. If they're having a terrible showing, I never make it, like, super personal. But when it comes to him, there's no limits. Now, it's scorched earth with that, mother, yeah.

But that takes us to a very long-awaited Atlanta recap. We are in Roa. I haven't figured out my, what's the word? I say Roa. Ro, because the H. Yeah, but it could be silent. If somebody's last name is R-H-O-D-E-S, how do you say that? Croads.

Jesus. I kind of walked right into that one. Yeah, yeah. Just call it Roa. We're in Roa. We're finally in Roa. We do this with every new show. First off, we're going to dive into this week's episode.

We will definitely get more in depth, the more we get to know these ladies. We are very new to Atlanta. We don't know. I haven't really watched it. I've seen random episodes here and there. I always enjoyed what I've seen, but never dove in all the way. This is my first dive in to Atlanta. I will say by accident, I started watching last season, and I was...

That works. Three episodes, not intentionally. Yeah, no, I know. You're getting ready to record, and I watched three episodes of last season, which was actually nice because it got me up to speed with who everybody was. So when I started watching season 15, I thought I had a little bit more background. Kne-jerk reaction, what do you think about it? I think it's good.

It's definitely one of those. you definitely need more backstory too and I did a lot so obviously we've been prepping for this because we've been talking about it for so long um I did a lot of background searching and watched a couple of episodes from earlier seasons it doesn't it actually doesn't really help a whole lot to be honest no no because there's a lot of new faces that are kind of popping up throughout so overall knee-jerk reaction I think it's a I know it's a good franchise I think it's going to be very good for us I think we're going to really enjoy watching it I think that This is just the standard, you know, first couple episodes.

There's not a lot super popping off, if you will. But I know we're going to enjoy it. So I got to ask you, who is, I'm not going to give the full power rankings. It's tough. I've been so nervous for this question. I've been so nervous because we don't know. And I'm afraid. Yeah, I'm terrified.

So scared that we're going to choose the wrong person. Me too, because we don't know who. And like, obviously, we don't pick people based on the fan favorites. But when we do pick certain people, that we like we do know we're getting into like if we pick somebody we're like oh i'm a big fan of this person we know that people don't widely like them we gear up for some arguments in this case we don't have a lot of background so here's my faves and i think this is universal from what i know of the show candy's fucking great she's awesome i love her my second favorite and i think

this is rufflesome feathers drew was my favorite watching season Now in 15, I don't like her as much. Okay. Okay. But season 14, I was more focused. There's a lot of drama between her and Ralph, which we do know that they're now divorced. They got divorced recently. But I felt bad for her because the stuff I saw in 14 dealing with Ralph was brutal.

So I immediately, you know me, I'm a big softie. So I sympathize with her. This season, she's not nearly as fun for me. But I would say my second favorite as of right now. is probably Kenya because I've always had a crush on Kenya since she's been on dancing with the stars. I like that. That's good. Yeah. Kenya. I think Kenya is great.

So I'm going, and that's probably a safe bet as Candy and Kenya because they're two of the mainstays on the show. But for good reason, I understand why. Yeah. Now you go. I think this one's going to, can I guess? Yeah, guess so. Okay, cool. I think that you like Marlowe. Okay.

And I think that you like Shiree. I like Marlowe a lot. I think that she's real. That's what I get from her. Like the end of that third episode, which we'll get into, I think that Drew just kind of stood there. And I got an idea of who Candy is in this cast. And we'll get into that a little bit later.

You give me a lot of foreshadowing. I'm getting excited. Get excited. Ooh, baby. No, I like Marlowe a lot. Honestly, really, I can't get a read on anybody. Yeah. It's really tough for me to get a read on a lot of them because I'm still working,

obviously the inner workings of everything, but I can just judge it at face value. And really Marlowe is the only one that stood out, but I'm like, you know what? I can kind of get behind what she's doing right here. I also really appreciate her relationship with her nephews. Yes.

Or her sister is incarcerated. That's part of it too, because I like the realness of family stuff. Yeah, same. And then I like to see them mix it up with the other housewives. And I do, I kind of realize this like halfway through watching. I think it's really funny.

And it applies to all of the housewife shows. When Sonia and Marlowe, obviously, for the reunion last year. Sonia says, you know, I kind of want to make nice with Marlowe. You know, maybe there is a friendship that could be out there. Housewives in general is just a repeat of everybody just trying to make nice with each other. Yeah, no, it's, it's so funny.

And it's like, obviously, you've got a couple people that are like best friends all the time, and that's great. But the people that are always at odds, you're either, you're never really, like, fully cut off. No. You're always just trying to make nice. Like, we see it with Teresa and Marge in Jersey. And I always, I just think that's really funny. But yeah, let's get into it. But we're going to start out with Drew and Ralph.

And again, I have my own feelings about Ralph having seen his antics last year. And they're now divorced, but they're rock climbing. And look, I'm not a marriage counselor by any means, but the conversation they have is problematic to say the least. Like, you can tell, like, this can't be the strongest relationship. because he's kind of not nice to her. He makes weird comments. She's, like, excited because her song's got 33,000 streams. Yeah, he said, that's not good.

That's not good. And then he says, yeah, we're like, Ike and Tina Turner. And I was like, oh, man. Terrible comparison. Good, good, Ike, good Ike. Good, dude. Dude, don't. That's the worst comparison you could possibly make.

But she's talking about how music brought them back together. there's two sides to this, okay? Because Ralph then, in turn, is like, I got my own things to focus on, and she's bummed out because she feels like he's pulling away from the thing that brought them together to begin with. Now, while that might be sad for Drew, Drew cannot assume that Ralph is going to be involved in every step of the way of her journey,

only because he does have his own things going on. On the other side of things, Ralph, as a husband and a supporter of your wife, wife, if you guys are in this together, once the song drops, you can't dip out and be like, you're on your own now, but you still need to follow through and help out. So there's problems on both sides. Drew. Oh. I don't think there's a problem on Drew side.

Really? Drew was a full-blown housewife, raised the kids while he went off and did his own fucking thing for years. Okay. He helped her do this song and then just dipped out. Like, no, he's entirely wrong. I don't see anything wrong with Drew expecting her husband. who helped him or who helped her do the song to stand by and make sure that it flourishes. It's almost like, all right, your pet project's done.

Like, I don't give a shit anymore. See you later. But I'm kind of saying both. No, I don't see any problem on your side. Okay. That's fair. I don't. All right.

You know what? She can expect her husband to repay her for those years that she spent raising his children. All right. That's fair. She wants to go off and do her own thing and she's really excited about that. Like, imagine your wife is really excited to do something. Yeah. And you say, well, you know, I've got.

like other stuff going on. He didn't do anything. I would never say that. I know, exactly. But he didn't, like, he said that they didn't even market the song. I know, I knew that.

He couldn't take a fucking minute out of his day to go help market the song. I agree. I think it's fucked up. Nobody's that busy. I think that he's, I know that you think it's fucked up. I understand that.

But I just don't see any problem on your side. I don't know what Ralph does. I don't know what he does, but he doesn't strike me as super busy from these scenes that I've seen him in. No, he has his own, like, music industry stuff

that he needs to follow all. one and that's you know whatever well anyway next we get to candy and don juan and everybody in the world needs a don juan in their life because this man is so good at breaking down situations for candy for example she's talking about helping out todd with his movie and again in last season i saw some things between those two and because candy she's a massive massive figure in the music industry. She's not like a ho-hum producer. She's not a ho-hum singer. She's got a Grammy. Yeah, she has a Grammy and she does it all. She does Broadway. She does literally everything within the music industry. She's a part of it. Like, she's huge. So

Todd has his own stuff going on and he wants to produce a movie. Has wanted to produce a movie for a very long time. Finally gets Candy to be an executive producer in it. Don Juan. He's like, look, if you agree to do this, you need to put as much effort and attention into it as he gave to you for your projects because Todd was always there helping out with candy when she needed him, so you need to return a favor. Having Don Juan sit there and say,

hey, make sure you cover your end of things. We all need that. Yeah, everybody needs that. And I do like that she even took the step back because she has some self-awareness in this to say, if I'm the star, they're just going to look at it like, oh, yeah, Todd just made a movie

and obviously made his wife, the star. Like, no, can't do that. I'll be an executive producer. Maybe I'll have like a small role. I loved that. I did too. Because she did that on her own. I don't think Don Juan chimed in on that part of it. But that just goes to show you that like kind of contradicting the relationship that Drew has with Ralph. You get right into this and you're like, all right, so that might be how a marriage is supposed to work. Not what we just saw. No, I think it was really constructive. It is interesting that the conversation is between her and a friend instead of her and Todd

which maybe they could have that conversation because in last season Todd did say like the same thing like I supported you I want the same Well sometimes you need that outside influence Absolutely that because we've seen her in previous episodes be a little aggravated When he's sitting at the table going over

scenes with people that are working on the movie and she's like Can you just help me with dinner And he's like well yeah we'll just do one more scene Yeah just do this like so I kind of understand where Candy's coming from where she's like no you know I'll just kind of be there when he needs me. Instead, you kind of have to look at it. Like, you give a little, you get a little bit back.

You give a little, you get a little bit back. I don't know. Just kind of stumble over my words. They're doing pasta? Oh, you're on pasta? Oh, boy. You're going to start a rumor. But no, overall, enjoyed the scene.

I really enjoy candy. Like you said about Marlow being real. I think that candy is very real. Like, what you see is what you get. In this. What is that? In this. In this.

Mm-hmm. What does that mean? Foreshadowing. But let's move on. We get a cameo from Candice is FaceTiming with Drew, and Drew is at her house with their new found cousin, Courtney, who I can't stand. Oh, my God.

I mean, I'm not a Courtney fan at all. I don't, she's clearly there pining for attention and pining for a spot on TV. Like she goes from zero to a thousand instantly almost every time. She brings up rumors and she brings up damaging comments about other people. people and their business, even though she has no business talking about them, such as candy. But she comes over and it's weird because Drew was actually castmates with the father of Courtney's child. Yeah. And before that happened, I was a little weirded out because they just found out that they were cousins.

But what Ralph says is like when we, you know, once your family, your family. So that part, I can look past that. I get it. Yeah. But it's like, come over to my house and like, we'll have a big dinner. or like family, family, family. That's pretty produced, right? I don't know if I'm like in my...

I know, but if I'm in my 30s and I find out that I have a cousin somewhere, I'm going to be like, oh, yeah, cool, that's great. Maybe I'll see it on the show. As a friend of. Regardless. I get what you're saying. Yeah, it's a production moment. It would make sense for her.

In real life, I'd be like, yeah, cool, whatever. This isn't real life, Sean. Ah, yeah. Legal name. Legal names. Yeah. But we find out that Candace is on tour. she's doing a city winery tour which we are very familiar with and one of her singers that was going

to do a duet with her and i'm going to put duet loosely yeah um can't show up so she asks if drew wants to fill in and drew gets super excited so she's going to go and perform with her and she facetimes candy candy's immediately put out that Courtney's in the room with her but does agree to go to the show the whole crew is going to go and support drew and kansas which i thought was great but that takes us immediately to the city winery and as soon as I got in that room I was like wow it looks so familiar yeah it looked a lot like the Philly Citywriters that was kind of cool but most of the drama takes place post show

so let's comment about the show we did get a little clip of Chris our boy Chris I saw him earlier like just in the background and then later on he gets actually on the camera and like talks a little bit but the show itself Drew's part in said show what were you expecting I was expecting her to actually sing I didn't expect her to do any of her own work no because that would take spotlight away from Candace

which is the important part I expected her to be up there for like at least a whole song At least a minute At least a minute I actually A minute didn't even cross my mind I thought she'd be up there for you know a little while A couple minutes maybe some backup vocals I thought I thought she was gonna open

No I didn't think that I was like her to do like a song in the beginning and then like kind of emceeing and be like And introducing Candace Dillard. Like, that would have made sense to me. Yeah, that also would have made sense. Both things would have made sense. You know, it wouldn't make sense?

43 seconds. A 43 second doo-op. Yeah. And then she bounces off the stage. Now, I want to be very clear about this because having been on stage now, regardless of the duration of time, she should be excited. It was an actual show. She got to perform.

I understand why she's so elated, walking off. And it should be a big moment for her. I don't want to belittle it just because the time frame was short. I want to be very clear about that. However, he could have done a longer song with her, Candace. Just a little bit, man.

Come on. It's a little bit of shit here. Especially, like, I get it if this is one of your friends and she's not also a housewife on Bravo. But knowing who Drew is, maybe give her a little bit more room because you know you're going to open her up

to all those comments, which, by the way, justified comments. I don't even have any issues with them giving her shit after because I like that. And I think that's what we're going to get with this show is these women aren't going to hold back on anything. Like immediately after something happens, which how much do we complain about shows where women hold on to things for, you know, weeks and weeks at a time and then bring it up later? Instead, we get it right away. And that's going to keep our attention span in.

And I think that's why we're really going to like this show. I love it because I literally loved, I loved the first episodes that I've watched. I love the episodes I watched last season because of that exact reason. If there's shit to say, boom, I'm going to say it. I fucking love that. And that's great because you're also going to get a reaction from the person that you're talking to immediately because they don't have time to think about it. They don't have time to let their minds warp into this.

What if this happens? What if this happens? Oh, my God, what if this happens? Like, no. Instead, you're going to get it right away and it's off the cuff. And also, there's no more damage done afterwards. Yeah. Which is huge because we can move on to something else.

And I hope that we continue to get that with this show. But I really did enjoy it. And I loved that even the women who maybe not, Shray didn't show up, but maybe the women who don't really support Drew still showed up and they were still there and they still got to talk to each other. And that's important for the show moving forward. Yeah.

And her and Sonia squashed the beef after the show because, and they show the clip of her flipping her hair into Sonia's face. And I was like, wow, that is super disrespectful. And she'd done it like twice. Like I get, I would feel a certain way about that too. So I get that. But the fact that Sonia showed up to the show means that she is at least willing

to extend this olive branch. Drew and her squash that beef. Drew is clearly on and you can understand this because you remember how we felt after the show. She's on like Cloud 9. She is just elated. She gets flowers afterwards. Yeah.

And we can tell you like it's just this, it's this weird feeling. You're just kind of like you're buzzing. Like I felt and I haven't drank a drop in almost five years. Friday morning after the show, I legit felt hung over. Same.

I didn't drink during the show either. Like I was completely so. And the next day, I felt like a truck hit me. Exactly. It was so high on life. So even though she was on there for 40 seconds, I get why she's like, she's so just wants everyone to like vibe, yes, whatever. But she, in the happiest mood ever, stirs the pot and it's like, everyone air out

your dirty laundry. Let's all get it out there. Like everyone, this is why Atlanta's great. Everyone's like, okay, cool. Here's my issue. Start going. Candy jumps in on Courtney and goes, I don't appreciate what you said about my show being ghetto and she literally Courtney just says yeah I said it candy had like a terrific response

to Courtney she says one don't forget where you came from always respect your roots and I don't bring the ghetto I bring everybody yeah I'm that polarizing no but like I do actually I hate that Courtney and I like that you don't like Courtney either because one she's just got that high pitch scream all the time that I can't stand and what are you excited about You can't be that excited about everything in life. Just move on, trying too hard. But when she brings it up and she says, oh, yeah, Candy had all those ghetto people come in there. Like, she brought the ghetto in.

She didn't mean that in a nice way or in a completely gray area way. No. No. She tries to defend it by saying my whole family's ghetto. I'll show you. It's like, that's not a rebuttal. You know what you were doing when you said that. So like, but like if you're a friend of and this is your time to maybe show a little bit, stand by what you said.

then I wouldn't have to sit here on this couch and pick it apart. But when you're sitting there and you completely backtrack and you try to make it sound like it wasn't mean, go after her, go at candy, see what happens. That's what's going to make you. I don't think she does either, but go after her and see what happens because otherwise you're just going to look like an idiot. Yeah, and she did. And the episode ends with an interaction between Marlowe and True. And as we found out, Marlowe lost a nephew to gun violence. and is very triggered by the fact that somebody was shot in one of Candy's restaurants,

Candy and Todd are both trying very hard to not discuss this on TV. We saw that last week in the episode. We saw it here. Candy just kind of tries to shut it down. Marlow draws attention to, and obviously we don't have a background, but they did show some clips, which was nice. I guess Candy doesn't talk about things she doesn't want to talk about. If she doesn't want to discuss a certain topic, she will not do so.

And they showed a couple of clips of her doing exactly that. that so marlowe's sitting there talking to drew saying stop acting i'm trying to talk to you i'm not getting amped up i'm trying to talk to you drop the act like i'm trying to tell you what's up and drew's just like wow what's and honestly i kind of get where drew was coming from she's like what the fuck is going on right now yeah but from marlowe's standpoint she's upset that candy won't discuss it we later find out that quentin her nephew was employed at one of candy's restaurants so the whole thing is triggering Marlowe, and she clearly wants it out there. She wants to discuss it out in the open.

She's talked about all of her shit. She even talks about, because Candy brings up with, how was your face cut 23 years ago? And like the mugshot and all of these other things, Candy brings that up to Marlowe. Marlowe does say, yeah, let's talk about it then and, like, gets into it a little bit. She wants the same in return from Candy. Who does that remind you of? Candy will talk about other people as much as she wants, but as she wants. Large?

Yep. I could do three more. I obviously I'm not going to say that she is Marge or anything like that but I have an issue with that you are on a reality show if people want to talk about shit now I get there's legal implications such as when you're sitting at your restaurant and somebody comes in and starts to talk about it and you don't want to talk about it the man who was shot is sitting three feet away from you can fucking talk about it I'm sorry but I laughed at that like that was really like that was really I'm happy he's alive and everything it seems like a comedy like they panned over to the guy in the same I'm sorry You got shot. Like a movie scene. You could fucking talk about it. And in this moment, I realized... Well, you know, hold on before you do that, just to add to the comedic fact of that scene,

the producers like, are we going to talk about the elephant in the room? And as a viewer, I'm like, what? And then they pan over to the dude in the sling, and they're like, the elephant in the room. Yeah. And that's the man that was shot. You're like, oh. No, no, we can't talk about that. And like, I understand that aspect of it.

Kind of, but it's in the news already. Exactly. But when it comes down to the interactions that, candy has with Marlowe and Marlowe says you know my nephew was shot he used to work at your place like maybe yeah you don't know every little person that works at all your places but have a little empathy she feels sad she didn't give a shit she didn't remember the text and when it was brought back up in person she acted like she didn't know what was going on is somebody else texting from your phone maybe who the fuck knows maybe Don Juan's in there just texting people back but it seems like people are afraid to go after candy and I think that's what Marlowe's trying to push I don't think Marl's afraid of Marlowe's not, but I think that's what she's trying to push from Drew because Drew stammered when she's talking about it. What happened with that incident at your restaurant and candy act like she didn't know what the fuck was going on? That is a moment.

And look, to that credit, Marlowe also did not go after candy and say the fucking shooting at your restaurant, dumbass. She did save it. She saved it. She went after Drew. But I think what's going on here is Marlowe understands that people are not going to go after candy for the things that she doesn't want to talk about. and this is a real issue that Marlowe has. And this is why I stand behind Marlowe right now. And I think people are probably going to hate me for it because there's definitely

candy stands out there. I don't know that candy stand is a great. Candy stand is great. But I support what Marlowe's trying to do because she is actually affected by this and wants to bring it up. And as soon as that other person was shot at one of Candy's restaurants and Candy refused to talk about it once again, Marlowe's got an issue. And it's a real issue.

We're a house divided. I know. I'm Team Candy. team Marlowe. It's okay. Interesting. Last but not least, we got one more finale, the summer house finale. And I don't say this often.

I'm glad summer's over. See, I actually think that was the best episode of the season. Oh, no, no. Let me preface with, I thought the episode was good. I do think they finished strong. I think Corey saved the season. that being said, I give it like a 5 out of 10. Oh, okay.

I'm giving it a, yeah, I'll give it a little bit more of that. 5.8. 5.8, closer to a 6. Not quite a 6, but. Yeah, I just think that it started off so slow, man. It's hard to come back from that. I do think they did a good job. Carl was right.

Things did get better from when we interviewed them. I have a hard time. I have a huge recency bias. And that was probably, like I said, that was the best episode of the season. because it had everything. It had partying, and then while they're partying, we had some real conversations, some real solutions, some real arguments, some real endings.

It was overall chef's kiss to the season. It was an OG Summer House episode. It was. It was, and look, it's kind of like when you're playing really shitty golf, and then on the 18th hole, you hit a good shot, and you're like, all right, I guess I'm coming back. Okay. That's kind of what it was.

That's a really good way to put it. I like that. And I know that feeling all too well. but let's dive right into it so carl and lindsay come back to the house they are there to film and it goes to a confessional with lindsay and she's like you know i'm gonna let him have a day but carl's thing is he likes to avoid confrontation i'm not about that life we're gonna come here and face the music now this is the big jungle party it's like the end of the season jungle party and there's a lot of emotions going on in the house a lot of people have issues with a lot of different people It's not all Lindsay Carl-centric anymore. But when Lindsay gets there, Danielle has the weirdest fucking reaction ever. And for any Danielle fans out there, just let me start by saying,

you're not going to like me after this episode, because I have a whole lot to say. But she makes a face when she walks in, and then she, like, throws her hands up, like, yay! And then Lindsay doesn't turn around, and then she kind of, like, saunter's off. But the first thing we need to discuss. There's been some rumors about Oliver and Maya. And first and foremost, and I know we agree on it, but how do you feel about Maya? I like Maya, and this is one of those. We do not see her.

No, I like her as a person. Okay. So on this show, I don't think she does anything. I, in this moment, I'm going to feel really bad for her. Like, that is shitty to go through. I don't know how the fuck Oliver is there. I don't know if they had some. weird like coming to terms. I was under the impression that he didn't know that she knew, but we find out later that she did know. So they had a discussion. So I'm thinking that maybe they had a discussion. They had a huge blowup fight. And then he did some weird apology because that apology in the bathroom was fucking weird. And they came to a point where she was open to him coming. Now if you're Oliver, why in the world are you coming unless we know that he doesn't care about the spotlight? Like he's never there. He shows up and we don't really see him. He's

partying. He's partying. And then he's gone. Do you know where we see him? Talking to other chicks. Talking to other chicks. What are you doing, dude? By the way, like, Maya is a good looking girl. I don't, no, I'm not going to say any of that. But, yeah, I don't really understand, like, what happened. I guess it was open and he decided to come anyway and then had a terrible showing where he's talking other chicks. So I felt really bad for Maya. Again, I don't think that she's good for the show because she just gets kind of like lumped into what we already have with Paige and Amanda. She doesn't really bring anything else. So while I feel bad for her, she's not good for the show. So we do kind of agree, I think. The problem is she goes up to Oliver. She goes, are you miced up? He says, yeah, she goes, we can't talk about it. Nope, absolutely not.

That is my big pet peeve. If you're out here, you sign that contract, we are privy to the information. And I know that's not something that she wants to air on TV. I respect that. I get that you don't want to have this conversation. But we as a viewer, like everyone else does it. it. Kyle and Amanda, when Kyle cheated, all of that was on TV.

When Carl went through all of his shit, all of that was on TV. We see everyone else go through it. So it's not so much that I'm like, Jones in to see people have awful, awful, like, life-altering fights with one another. It's more so respecting the cast and being like, look, if they're going to do it,

you got to do it. Unfortunately, this is part of the gig. You want to get paid to be on TV. You've got to tell us what's up. She hides the mic. She's like, we can't do this right now, and she walks away. And then we start to get into like Craig and Paige and whatever the fuck's going on there. Let me just say this right now. Page doesn't like Craig.

I disagree. I don't think Paige is comfortable knowing that he's there. I don't think she actually wants to move forward with this man. If she did, the prospect of getting engaged wouldn't be so astronomical to her. It doesn't make sense to me that this topic has been brought up on multiple occasions. How are you not more ready to respond with some form of step forward? She doesn't have one. Her only response finally is, let's move in together.

But their move in is not really a move in. He said, I'm going to bring a couple of extra suitcases. She does say, like, if you're in Charleston, I need to be in Charleston. If you're in New York, I need to be in New York. But again, you're not cohabitating, or at least I hope in the reunion we get some kind of clearance on, or clarity, sorry, on are they actually living together? Living together implies that you have the same residence. I don't care.

Okay, look, everybody's going to go through their own motions. Every relationship's going to look a little bit different. There is no clear cut and dry, like, you have to move in before you do this. And they kind of laid the steps out where they're like, well, I want to have kids in a couple of years. So do I. Okay. Well, we have to get engaged first. Then we have to get, like, there is really no clear cut route that you have to take.

No, there's not. And that goes to say with this as well. Like, I think that it is a step. in the right direction for them. They've only been dating for a year. If they've been dating for three or four years and they're still not moved in and they still have no indication of getting engaged,

then you can kind of start to brush it aside, whatever, if they want different things, which it seemed like in early conversations, that Craig wanted to get engaged quickly. I actually disagree with that. You've only been dating for a year. You don't live together. Figure it the fuck out.

I agree with that. I don't think they need to get engaged yet, but I do think the fact that it took all summer to come to the conclusion, let's move in together. All summer is not that long of a time. It's a long show. It's a reality TV time.

It's a long show. I get that. It's been, they've been two months into this summer. I couldn't disagree with you more on this. They are going to go at their own pace. Again, like I said, if Craig was pushing really hard, like I want to get engaged, I want to get engaged, I want to get engaged. And Paige said no, then sure, break up. They're not saying no.

Craig is just afraid of losing her. So he's trying to speed things up, which he admitted. Paige isn't really sure what she wants as far as her career and her personal life to go. She loves New York, but she understands that Craig's probably not going to move to New York. He needs to be down in Charleston for business, friends, family, whatever you have. And have that conversation. They kind of did, but why do you want them to have such a specific conversation? Because Craig needs an answer.

He doesn't need an answer. He doesn't need an answer. He's been pining for this. I keep saying pining. I can't get off the fucking word. But he keeps Chris Pines. I'm Chris Pine right now. He keeps asking.

asking for just there's nothing because he's afraid he admitted that as you don't like you don't have to move forward but in an adult relationship that's been going on for a year you do need to be able to have that conversation without it being some crazy thing when they have this conversation and again this is on camera we don't know what they talk about off camera not on camera they choose to have these conversations after drinking all day that's true at a party okay if you expect to get a real answer out of that you're you're not going to get anywhere they got to a point where they're going to slowly start to move in together because i forget who it was maybe it was sierra or amanda that had a conversation i think it was amanda when craig was talking to her and they talked about how you know how quickly did you and kyle move in together what was that like how long how far apart were you guys when you started dating so on and so forth because craig's just trying to get an idea of how this works and he understands Amanda is a lot like page that's why they're good friends so he needs to try to figure this out and he understands hey i'm really scared that I'm going to lose you so I'm trying to push these things along maybe we don't

have to do that maybe we can just kind of slowly spend a lot more time together that's the next step I think that they were jumping too quickly and they were saying hey we need to move in together and that scared the shit out of both of them I think that they need to start spending I think he's scared he's going to lose her he's yeah but he's not scared to move forward no he's not but I think that he needs to understand that what page wants is also important and page wants to stay in New York and they also want to be able to spend more time together they've already started spending more time together. Again, it's a year. I'm not, look, I think you're the relationship police here. Fuck you. I'm not the relationship police. I'm just saying the fact that

is this difficult to have this conversation and the fact that she tries to like derail the conversation by like, you're just afraid to lose me. To me, that is a way to sidestep having the conversation. Like, you're not going to lose me. Don't worry about it. We're fine. Let's just settle down. I will say it did get to the point. She said, let's move in together. quote unquote. I'm still not sure how that move looks because it doesn't make sense. It's not really a move in. It's really just they need to spend more time together because what they've been doing is just like weekending at each other's places. And it sounds like more in New York than Charleston, which is whatever. But if you're going to spend more time together, that's the logical

next step. Spend weeks and weeks and weeks together, months and months together, not just vacations, not just coming for a weekend, not this and that. And then you'll be able to figure out like, okay, can I live with this person? Sure. Great. Awesome. Move in together. Then you keep going like you just need a little momentum i think they've been stalling because they chose to have these conversations and i get it like craig's only there page needs to go film at summer house craig's only there for the weekends they're going to do this during a party whether we like it or not maybe do it in the morning maybe go for take a lindsay and carl thing just go for a walk in the park's boot camp go go go no nope go for a walk in the park and go talk about it i i felt bad for

Craig this episode for the first time in a long time. He was unwillingly in these weird situations with other people and he was sitting outside by himself and it was so funny when Kyle walked up. What's going on? It's just a fucking more zone everywhere I go.

I don't know. They asked later. Yeah, Oliver just left. I don't know. He left in a hurry. I don't know what's going on. I'm the third party. I just felt really bad for Craig the whole time and he has to deal with the whole page thing. So I want them to work out. I'm going to put it on the record. I want them to work out. I hope that they have it in them. And I'm going to be rooting for them.

I'm not rooting against them. And I'm also, I don't think they should get engaged. I do not think that's the next step. Yet or? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I was going to go, woo. No, no, no, no. I think that there, it makes sense down the road. Sure. But no, I do think that the logical next step is moving in together. Just to me, I didn't understand how that was so hard. It's just complicated because one, Craig has the business in Charleston. And he says, and he still a Southern charm too. It's complicated, but talk about it. Yeah, I don't think that they're mature enough

to talk about it, yeah. We've sidestepped long enough. Well, that was an important lot piece. No, it was. We've stalled long enough, though, because this episode is about the same thing this season's been about. Once again,

probably not the right time to do this when you're hammered, and Danielle is wasted. You can tell, like, she's Not that Lindsay's like stone cold sober. I don't really know her state of mind, but Danielle seems intoxicated. And they're in the kitchen, and she, weirdly during a toast, goes, this is how I wanted to celebrate your engagement. Well, Danielle, if that's the case, you had the opportunity last week to do that.

You could have celebrated the engagement, but instead you decided to make it about yourself go on this war path. We were talking to everybody else at the party about when they found out versus when you found out, taking issue with it, not being a grown-up enough, to step back from the situation, even if you have an issue, save that shit. Don't make the party about that. Then don't double down the next night when you're at a bar with your boyfriend. And now you've got your night and shining arm and you send him to do your dirty work

in a place that he doesn't belong. And then you're going to bring it up again on the last party of the year, which of course you are because it's the show and we need to have some kind of resolution. I've read a lot of comments on how people think that this conversation went from the one from far one way from one side of the argument being Lindsay was ice cold she showed no emotion that's who she truly is versus Lindsay was finally fed up I'm glad she didn't go in on her she didn't have to like you can tell she's just over it now when you watch this scene what did you see

Lindsay's ice cold what yeah I I got sociopathic vibes. We might go to blows. I get it that you're fed up from it, but this is possibly, and I'm not, I'm not saying that Danielle's right at all. Her actions this summer have been atrocious. Thank you. She made everything about her.

I get it. I think that emotionally Danielle is completely fucked up, and she has no idea how to deal with those emotions, and now she's alone. Again, her fucking boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, whatever, kind of left her out to dry because he's never fucking there. So she has no support except for the women in the house. who aren't, again, let's make sure the people know this. They are not really supporting Danielle.

They are just supporting opposing Lindsay. Absolutely. However, watching that scene was rough. Lindsay was fucking smiling. And you can't tell me. No way. There is no way. She is smirking and smiling.

Understanding what Danielle is a fucking, she's gone. She's emotionally dead. She has no idea what the fuck's going on. this was supposed to be your best friend for years. I don't even care about did you leave her out of your relationship and not really include her at all and your friendship at all for the last six months? Maybe he did, maybe you didn't.

But if you're standing there and your supposed best friend for the last couple of years is staring there and actually like freaking the fuck out and you can sit there and smile at it, there's something wrong with you. There is something she is, I'm not going to go as far to call her a monster as I would have a couple hours ago.

But when I watched it, I felt really weird. And I do not like that. I think that Carl is the emotional one. And it brought me back to what Lindsay said. You got to face the music. You got to do this and that. I think Lindsay thrives on this shit. I think she loves it.

Yeah. I am doing my best right now to let you finish what you're saying so that I can go. No, I know, I know. But I was listening. I just don't want to react. I want to get my point across without going. on a rant. It's very tough for me to do that. As you know, my counterpoint to you. This is the same conversation that Danielle has attempted to have on multiple occasions this summer. Nothing about

it's different. The way that she brought it up was the same exact way. It's off the cuff. It's not good timing. It comes out of left field, and then she expects to have this emotional conversation. Now, the first time it happened when they were at the pool together, she airs out her grievances with Lindsay. Lindsay does the same in return. They seem to meet in the middle. Lindsay says, I'm sorry if I wasn't there. Danielle says that she's going to work on being more supportive, whatever. They seem to at least come to an agreement. The next time, Lindsay sees Danielle, the first thing she says, how are you? checks in on her. We see another scene. How are you? Checks in on her. Is that astronomical? Is that like a huge step forward? No. But it is at least

making an adjustment to say, hey, are you good? I'm checking in on you, just like you told me you wanted me to do. What has Danielle altered that Lindsay said to her? Because throughout the whole summer, we hear her say one thing to Lindsay. I'm so supportive. I'm so happy. We see her actions are completely different from that. We see her with the Mean Girl crew, who, by the way, them piling up behind the corner like

that, like you said, that's not in support of Danielle. That's to hear the drama because they live off of that shit. and that's to just throw it in Lindsay's face. See, we're supportive. This is what friendship is. This is what friendship is. Whatever. Now, for Danielle in that moment to bring it up to Lindsay and form it and present it in the same exact way that she already has, I think I would have reacted the same.

Now, were the smirks necessary? No. Would I have gotten emotionally involved and given her response? Probably not. I probably would have done the same thing. You know what, dude? We've done this song and dance. You haven't changed at all.

you're talking shit behind my back frequently. You screamed into a pillow, and then you're upset when you're not involved in the ceremony. I don't think Carl told her that she screamed to the pillow. I guarantee Carl told her that she's screaming to go. She would have brought it up. But regardless of that, she has enough evidence to the contrary for her to be like you were not excited.

At no point in the summer, were you supportive? And she was not. She was a train wreck all year to the point where I think there's more to it. There's got to be something else that we do not know about. that is causing this level of reaction from Danielle because it does not compute. The math don't math. Get this amped up, this emotionally involved, this upset doesn't make sense. I understand they were best friends, but Danielle, if you cannot at all take a step back

and see where you fell short, how you did not do right by your friend, and to see that this reaction maybe it's too cold, maybe it's not fully warranted, but if you can't take some form of responsibility in this moment to understand why this is happening at least to a certain extent like that infuriated me i thought lindsay was fine the smirking no but sitting there and not getting emotionally invested fuck that i'm i'm with it i would not have done this or jesus i would have done the same exact thing i might have just said i'm not doing this and walked out the door because i don't want to deal with hearing what you've said in the last two minutes is way more than lindsay said during that conversation. She didn't owe her anything. I understand that. And I'm not

defending Danielle. Once again, I have to say it. I am not picking either. You're a Dan Stan Stan. I am not picking either side on this. I think obviously Danielle has laid out all of these things that we can say she is entirely wrong. But Lindsay, to say that it's from left field is wrong. She walked into that house and she said, I know I have to have a conversation with Daniel. So she expected it. She knew what was going on and I think that she knew how she was going to react to this. Two, I don't like, I think that both Lindsay and Carl are a little full of shit when it comes to the Danielle aspect. They are playing the, we wanted it to be a surprise thing. Danielle is upset that she found out 30 minutes before it happened.

She should have found out 30 minutes before it. That's fine. I get it. But hold on, I'll ask you this. If Danielle didn't have that conversation with Carl where she screamed into the pillow, if she was just looked like a lost puppy just trying to find her friends and didn't do all of those things, do you think that Lindsay and Carl would have included her? into their plans. I don't know. Not a fucking chance in hell. I'm telling you that right now because they did not make an effort to be friends with her earlier in the season.

Because of her. We don't know that. Fuck that, dude. Before the cameras started rolling, they were already losing their friendship. What happened? They're in a relationship. Okay, you're fucking married. Do you think that you're not friends with me anymore?

Do you think I'm not friends with your wife? I'm not saying you can't be friends. No, there is some bullshit on Carl and Lindsay's aspect. They lost touch with their friends. I'm, again, not excusing Danielle's actions throughout the fucking season. However, I think that there is some bullshit to be played at, and I think that Lindsay is ringleading a little bit here. I am not by any means saying that both sides of the street are not guilty here.

Yes, you are. You're saying that only Danielle is. I'm not. You're saying that you're excusing all of Lindsay's, except for the smirk. No. I would talk. Absolutely not. I think that Lindsay knew exactly how this conversation was going to go.

good and she the coldness of it i get it if you're over it there is there is what you portray when you're over something and you you did it very nicely where you said look i'm not having this conversation right now it's not any different than what we had before i'm leaving boom done over with she didn't do that she sat there and listened to her and fucking smiled she doesn't give a shit she's cold i'm saying throughout the summer you dick throughout the summer I'm not saying that there's not blame on both sides. I'm saying in this conversation, I don't think Lindsay's wrong to be ice cold. I think it's played out.

I think we've seen this song and dance. We know how it's going to go. Danielle, for all of the other shit aside, okay, whether you think that it was warranted or not, the sole factor is you made your bed, you got to lie in it. This is a product of your actions throughout the summer. Could they have been warmer towards it? Probably, yeah. I'm sure that there's stuff we don't know and I'm sure there's stuff we don't see.

I'm not vindicating anybody. Nobody's innocent here. I'm saying that Danielle's behavior throughout the summer has been intolerable and to see somebody at their wits end and not diving into it emotionally anymore makes complete sense to me. I don't think that Lindsay has dove into it emotionally the entire summer. I think Carl has. Carl has taken the brunt of the emotions and the ex-friendship with Danielle.

Lindsay hasn't done a goddamn thing. Those conversations, if you go back and watch them, which I did, of course, because I needed to make sure, if I'm coming at this, like, the way that I'm coming at it, I wasn't expecting this. I need to make sure that I'm right. And when I'm looking at it, Lindsay has looked emotionless towards Danielle since the jump from the beginning of the season. So I think, look, I think you said it right. I think something happens that we don't know about. There's got to be something else. There's got to be something there.

to be something more. But both sides aren't making any sense. Danielle freaking out doesn't make any fucking sense. To anyone in their right mind, every action that she's done this summer makes zero sense. Thank you. And to expect them to include you into their engagement at that point in time, after what you've shown all summer also doesn't make sense.

Thank you. But there's got to be something fucking there. Okay, I feel better. Lindsay and Carl have not addressed since day one. When Danielle started bringing up these accusations and issues, where did they react? They're like, what do you mean? Like, why is she doing that?

I don't understand it. There's got to be something there. Lindsay and Carl made an active effort to cut Danielle out for some reason. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I think that they tease something in the reunion for what we know in the past. When they tease these things, they tend to be pretty benign. And it's probably not going to be some groundbreaking life altering. But let's act like it is.

Let's say it is, okay? And let's say it's damning against Lindsay and Carl. Would that allow me to pull back a little bit from the anti-Daniel train? Yeah, maybe. Probably not. Even I won't, dude. It's just like watching her actions throughout the summer. And look, I, of course, and we talk about this all the time, two people can be wrong,

especially in the Bravo world. It doesn't mean that there's a right side or a wrong side. Look at Joe and Teresa. Like, there's not necessarily a right or wrong. But in this instance, all I'm saying, And you know what? I needed a good fight. I feel so much better.

So thank you for bringing that to me. I appreciate you. But I just think that when you look at it from an objective standpoint, what we've been presented with on TV, assuming that there's not some bomb waiting to be dropped, Danielle was out of pocket with the whole thing. I didn't appreciate how she acted with it. And I understand being emotionally unavailable at the end of the summer.

It's football season. Woo, football. Let's go. Summer's over. Fly, Eagles fly. I can't wait to put that back in the intro. Oh, my God. I'm so excited.

I can't wait for fucking football season. Thanks, Sixers. Okay. But that takes us to the question portion of the show. That's right, just because we're doing two episodes a week, doesn't mean we're not double questioning each week. What? Yep.

Yeah. Up first from Joey Butler, frequent questionnaire, Joey Butler. What's up, Joey? Is Courtney trying to intentionally keep trolling candy, or is she just like that? I think she's trying to have a strong showing on the show, and that's what she's trying to do, but we just watched her back down immediately. Yeah, 100%. I don't think that's who she is.

Yeah, she doesn't have the balls to do it. Yeah, she didn't have the balls to face candy. She just wants to make a name for herself, and she's using this platform to do that. Yep. Up next from Ghost Files, BB, which means, that means baby. Baby. Yeah, Ghost Files, baby. Why doesn't Lindsay try to have a true friendship with more of the women?

Oh, this is a good point. Yeah. This is a really good point. So there's two sides to this one, and it's interesting because I actually had a conversation with somebody today about this. So there are girls, girls, and there are guys' girls, all right? just because you're one or the other in my opinion doesn't mean you should be damned for it i feel like girls that don't fit in with the girl crew and are seen like paling around with the dudes sometimes get a bad rap so i don't love when that argument is used now could she make more

of an effort with the women probably yeah but you're also talking about a group of women who have actively and openly hated her for five or six years now at this point yeah so it's kind of a lost cause i don't think there's a whole lot of bridges i think she tried kind of yeah i mean like lindsay had a rough showing a couple of seasons so it is tough like i think that the damage has already been done there like she knows and they know that they're not going to be friends now the weird spin on this is when something bad happens to like page or amanda you never really see lindsay gloating about it necessarily oh she doesn't but i i don't really know honestly i think that that ship is just I do, too.

I think it's just, it's long gone at this point. And I think that also speaks to them growing up, like at a certain point, you're not going to keep trying to mend relationships with people you don't like. Like, you get to a certain point. It's like, what's the fucking point? Yeah. Why? From Alex HS 90.

Thoughts on Page in the reunion snapshot. I think that Page has always been a strong reunion person. like we've seen her in the past where she doesn't really do a whole lot during the year she kind of focuses on our own stuff and just snickering behind closed doors but in the reunion she seems to show up so i think that's just part for the course for her i think that's her showing up now do i like it no i don't like page i think page is a shitster i think she's behind the scenes pulling strings all the time and when it comes to like i will give her credit in the reunion she will speak up but i don't like the jabs that she takes a lot i don't like that she points people at other people and like lets them go and like to do her bidding like she seems to enjoy turmoil and i don't like that yeah i think the snippet that they're talking about is when page says i was just happy to see daniel stand up for herself i thought it was in reference to you guys don't have jobs i liked that one that was pretty funny um either way i yeah same same answer really though last question from joanne shaw ideal summerhouse cast next season

Give me, you know what, make it easier. Who are you giving the boot to for next year? And who would you bring one person back? Because I'm going to make that tougher because it's either Luke or Andrea. Bring one person back, kickoff two. A couple counts as one. I honestly, I don't need Lindsay and Carl there anymore.

Okay. Do you like to see them in another franchise? Maybe take Lindsay to the new Roney franchise. That would be cool. I'd be into that. Yeah, because look, again, like, I think that you give them a clean slate. Like, I really like Carl a lot.

Lindsay, I've kind of gone back and forth with, but I'd like to see her in a new environment. You know what? That also brings a level of familiarity to the new Rony cast or at least they know somebody. There's a lot of people that hate Lindsay overall, though. There's a lot of people that hate a lot of the housewives. Doesn't mean they don't watch them.

Yeah, that's a good point. No, I actually really like that idea. You should pitch Bravo. We pitched so many things. I'm going to bring, surprise answer. I'm going to bring back Luke. Oh, wow. Because Andre is there.

I like when he pops up randomly. You want him to be a pop-up guy. Keep him to be like the friend of role, if you will. Hey, come save an episode guy. Yeah, like that guy. But I liked Luke. Obviously, he had a weird winter house interaction, but. I think that's what shot him in the foot, honestly.

Probably. But I do kind of like what he brings. He brings a different element to there. Fair enough. You good. Two hours later. But that's all we got. Remember next week, if you're in Philly, come out to Barstool Sansom.

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