Bros & Shows - The Musically Inclined Tom Sandoval (The Traitors s03ep08)

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

What's up Bros? In this episode of The Traitors, we find out who was killed in the church. As the group comes together for breakfast, theories start to fly. Sam finally enters the game and his approach is very intelligent and a bit of a surprise coming from someone who has been mostly silent throughout the show. Although he loses us a bit when he goes back to the coffin theory. In our favorite mission yet, Sandoval proves his worth when he has to sing lullabies backwards. While the rest of the cast gave him crap about it, at the end of the day they would not have won that challenge without Tom. Against all odds it appears that Sandoval has made somewhat of a comeback with his appearance on this show. At the roundtable, Ciara fights for her life as the coffin theory just wont go away. After the banishment, the rest of the faithfuls are scrambling as once again they fail to get a traitor. Its chaos and the traitors are winning, but the vibe amongst the traitors is still tense as Danielle is fighting to save Britney while Carolyn is just trying to gain her footing in the turret and start making some decisions.. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It looks borderline. Like, what is that? Is that a perm? It looks permed back there. No, it's just the longer my hair gets, the curlier it gets. It becomes an absolute nightmare to keep up with. So it's got to go.

It's going on Friday. day i'm going for the flow i'm getting the flow back that's my goal but you're uh you're not down for the uh not down for the perm look all right cool and support either way shows bros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows bros and shows i got to have me my bros and shows good evening everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host Steele Russell joined, as always, by the one and only shooter McPerm. What's, I don't have any creative. Yeah, you've got no creative juices.

That's okay. I think what we should do is we should do this entire episode in reverse in honor of Tom Sandoval for his remarkable performance at today's challenge. Dude, that's what I was saying. I think I'll be the one to do it because everyone's tiptoeing around. people are talking about, and people are giving him flowers. Scandival's officially over.

He ended it with traitors. He is now through the woods of Scandival. He did it. Nobody saw it coming. It took him singing lullabies. No, he's out. He did it. Wait, so you think nothing of the statement

that he made at the roundtable that threw him right back in. I mean, yeah, that was not great. He was close, you're right. And then the comment that, you know, girls are more likely to cheat. And he's like, I mean, traitors, that did send him back a little bit. But against all odds, people are rooting for Tom Sandefall again. And it's because of his crazy singing.

It's because he was the only one that bought into that challenge. I have a lot to say about that when we get there. But at the end of the day, somehow, some way, by being on the traders. And we were talking so much shit before he was on there that we can't wait to see San Deval. He's going to be an idiot. And yes, he's an idiot. But he's a delightful idiot. that is so entertaining to watch week to week

that you have people making TikToks of their boyfriends that are watching along with them and they're like, oh, you can't like Tommy. They're like, wait, what? There's something wrong with Tommy and then they go into Scandibald. They're like, oh, shit, he's like a fan favorite. Who the fuck would have seen this coming?

Yeah, he's definitely a fan favorite for the non-Bravo watchers out there, the people that are just kind of tagging along with if they just enjoy a good game show or they're a big brother, Survivor people, whatever it might be we've been talking about the whole season. And he is, he got to a point with me where I was enjoying watching him because he was such an idiot and it was really funny to me.

And then he kind of wore on me for a bit and I wore a little thin. I wanted him out of there. I wanted him out of there last week. And then if he was out last week, we wouldn't have gotten this week. So I don't know. It's a constant roller coaster of emotions from episode to episode when it comes to Tom. Look, he might win the whole thing. And that would be the funniest thing.

Dude, could you imagine if Sandoval at the end of all of this is the one that takes home the cash? Like, he would, there's no way. That would be insane. I don't know. I don't know, dude. I, like I said, I'm going to say something and I never thought I would say it. And yeah, he beats Scandival somehow.

Who the fuck would have thought? He needs to pay all those, uh, I'm sure he owes all those landscapers money because that's what he was complaining about a couple years ago. So he's probably got some, uh, IOUs floating around out there. And yeah, this could pay it. This could help. Although they're going to need to start doing some shit to get some money because it seems like every challenge, and we'll talk about this challenge in a bit. Every challenge, the first thing that they think about is, well, we got to get a shield.

You need to get money. You need to make sure you get all the money. And they still do prevail. It's either the weirdest time lapse where they want us to think they're not doing anything. But in reality, they're spending 90% of the time actually doing the challenge. Because I am of some sort of conviction that they are. are not doing anything until the last two seconds. And then somehow they come up with all the money.

So it's the editing. I'm going to place it all on editing. I'm calling a bad edit. Yeah. I think that you're claiming bad at it. You're pulling a Bravo card. I don't know if it's bad at it. I do blame the editing.

I don't think it's bad. But yeah. All right. I had to do this all in my laptops. I know it's on the side of the screen, which is actually more distracting than I thought it would be. I thought it would be better, like more efficient. Yeah, so did I.

That could be, too. I'm just that tired that I can't read that fast, but hey. But let's dive into this episode and we start out at breakfast, you know, the usual routine. And Danielle's the first one in there. And it might be biased at this point because I just don't like her. But it seems so obvious to me that she's a traitor. Like she's always the first one to bring up the conversation. She's sitting there talking to Brittany.

And I know Britney's her girl, so Brittany doesn't suspect her. But it's just... She always is the one to initiate conversations about certain things. Like she brings up Boston Rob immediately, starts talking about him. And in my head, I'm like, she's so clearly a traitor. And again, Monday morning quarterback, you know, watching it home. But go to a confessional, Brittany's like, I'm pretty, pretty certain that Danielle is a faithful. Like I got full trust in Danielle.

I'm like, oh, all right. So she got the wool pulled over your eyes, I guess. But yeah, Brittany definitely did. And there's something to be said for them kind of rekindling something or squashing the beef that they had from Big Brother, whatever it might be, that maybe blocking Britney's eyes because that's really all I feel like you need to figure out that Danielle's a traitor. And it is really weird because I watch this live on Thursday. And I were recording this a little bit later than we usually do. So I did have to dig back in and make sure that I don't miss anything. And I'm looking, you know, just kind of like skipping through the episode, remembering things, looking on socials. People on Twitter are backing Danielle up saying, she, She's playing a really good game. Every time that somebody, that's what I think. But there is something to be said for when the people who get banished, whether it's the roundtable or they're murdered overnight, when they are given the envelope that says who each traitor is, they're always surprised that it's Danielle, except for like one or two. I think Jeremy was on to her, but that was in.

Yeah, they're always surprised that it's Carolyn. They're never, they were never surprised it was Boston Rob, but Danielle is another one. And Sierra too, Sierra who we thought, you know, she got a little cloudy towards the end, but she had to defend herself the entire. her time she was really surprised too and there's people on twitter talking about how daniel's actually playing a good game and she she shouldn't worry about the haters is what they're saying it's like no like no she just seems not and and we'll talk about what she does at the end of this episode which is another dumbass move but it seems like every time that daniel has to make a decision whether it's on her own or in the turret she makes the wrong one so i don't understand how you can

sit there and say that she's doing a good job or playing a good game because i just don't believe it I don't either. I think that a big part of why she's successful, I think that these faithfuls are idiots too. Like, that's my big. I think that's the big takeaway. They're all idiots. Yeah, like nobody's playing a good game right now.

One person gave me hope and then immediately struck it down and we'll get to that. But to my point with Danielle, everyone thinks she's playing good game. She's starting to get pointed at by multiple people in the house. And yeah, she's gotten pretty far before the speculation has been thrown at her. But this episode, I think four or five people start to point towards her. So I think at the end of the day, I don't think it's good gameplay. I really don't. I think that you have a bunch of idiot faithfuls and a clumsy trader.

I think Carolyn's the only one that's been doing this game right. And I want to give Dylan credit, but he always cozies up to traitors, but he catches himself at the end of this one. So I don't want to throw him under the bus too much. But if I had to, like, let's do that. If I had to pick, I think the only. two people right now that I would say are successfully playing the game are Carolyn and Dylan honestly I don't I'm going to throw Gabby in there too because Gabby is oh yeah okay and she's good she seems like she's like she has an idea of what's going on which

is really all you need for a game like this everybody else is just running around like chickens with their head cut off like they never know what's going on anytime that somebody gets voted out whether they're a traitor or a faithful they have the same reaction. fuck what do we do next like they never have a plan there's never anything in there they're still and we'll talk about at the round table they're still talking about the coffins from you know for us it's five weeks ago for them it's two or three nights ago so it's this crazy thing where it's like yeah i get you have to try to put something to bed but like you haven't done anything and that was something that the trader set up so there is no real faithful strategy here and that's where they keep

getting stuck and that's where i keep pointing to well they're just a bunch of idiots with no leader and then And once somebody steps up to try to be a leader, they're going to think they're a traitor anyway. So it's a zero-sum game for everybody out there. And I feel like all of the big game players that they kind of put on the cast that we were like, oh, shit, this could be cutthroat, this could be cool. They got cut, they got murdered, or they got banished immediately. So it's just, we're left with a pile of idiots.

That's what we have. That's what I think. That being said, love the show, thoroughly enjoying every second of it. Yeah. But gameplay-wise, I don't think it's. it's great and then at the breakfast sam speaks up for like the first time and i'm like oh did you like did you like his preface too where he goes to his confession he's like look you know i'm very quiet i'm from around i uh had to figure out how to speak english and i spent a lot of time listening

and that's what i've been doing and now i'm ready to strike it's like whoa were you a wild card this whole time like no he's not he's not he just had one good idea he had one good idea and then it's like Yeah, dude. Well, he had two, because he starts out by telling the table. He's like, I don't think these traders are as smart as they think they are. And I was, or that as smart as we think they are. And I was like, I agree with you. Whoa, nice job, Sam.

And then he comes up with this theory because who comes in? It was Tom. Because Tom walks in. And he's asking him about the night. And he's like, oh, you know, I turned around. I looked down. I saw these, like, crazy shoes. And I was like, no one else would wear those except for Allen.

And Sam takes that. and develops a theory. He's like, oh, well, if we ask everyone else that comes in that was in the church that night, what was Alan wearing? That's how we can deduce who a traitor is because the traders may not have seen Alan. I'm like, that's genius. Sam came to play. Hell yeah.

Let's go Sam. I'm like Team Sam for all of five minutes. People start piling in. And the funniest part is before Tom got there, a lot of people are nervous for Tom. They're on a roller coaster with this guy as well. It's very funny to watch the sand of all of time. I saw a podcast where I think it was Carolyn and Brittany were on this podcast talking about Tom and, you know, if they liked him or not. Apparently, he was trying to get the car on the way back from challenges to play his band for the rest of the car.

Stop. Yeah. Sam was or Sandoval? San Deval. Oh, I thought he said Sam. No, I don't know if Sam's a very long day. Sam could be in a band, to be fair. I wouldn't be.

No, Sandival. Sandival and the most extras. he's trying to get them some air time he probably did think that they would play it on peacock and maybe he would get his band some airtime which would be hilarious but they would never do that i just love that he's trying to push his band on other people like that is who he is he was texting jason like dude i'm totally going to get us on the show my god jason's like oh yeah hell yeah brother uh caroline caroline made me nervous when she walked in i'm like oh shit the good thing about Carolyn is because she's been so consistent in seeming inconsistent and being kind of like what the

oh my god like what the hell's going on because she's like that sam's like tell us what you saw and she's just like ah ah ah i'm like fuck no not like this for whatever reason sand of all saves the day and steps in he was wearing a kilt and sam's like you fucking moron like i was asking her for a reason, Gabby steps in and goes, well, that was like a pass or fail, but like, come on, guys, I think she passed. Yeah. I guess her real response was something only Alan could wear. And it was like, all right, it's very generalized, but also if you don't understand fashion and you don't understand what Alan's wearing at any given time, which, you know, sometimes he does wear some crazy shit. That could pass.

That might pass. But the best is Tom being the buffer. He saves the day for Carolyn. We don't have to go after Carolyn Lainter at all because Tom speaks up because he felt bad. Or he wanted to explain more. He didn't get enough talk time. I think that he just wanted a moment. I don't even think it had anything to do with Carolyn.

He's just like I know a couple of moments at his breakfast. It was insane. But it's like he wanted to be the kid in class that answers the question. Like I know. It's like we know you know, Tom. Shut up. We know, Tom. We just asked you.

You did this already. But we find out that Crischel has been whacked. She's been killed and I will say it was nice that Crischel recognizes the game that Carolyn's playing because I feel like no one else has really given her props up until this point and we have been watching her do a pretty good job with this whole thing. But Tom jumps in and starts talking shit about Crishel and I think Britney's like, well, yeah, dude, obviously you're going to take shots at her because he's like, no, man, like that's not what it is at all.

I'm like, ah, Sandival's still in there. I'm getting, I'm getting duped by his, uh, his idiot charm. I don't even know what you want to call it. The good thing is we don't have to watch him on VaynerPum, so we don't have to worry about any of that. So if we see him in these one-off shows that we have to watch and he's like this, that's fine. I'm good with that. But you can tell, and based on his speech that he gave in the church the night before, where he's talking about how he finally feels like he's vindicated, he's proven himself because he got Boston Rob. He didn't get Boston Rob.

three other people helped he was just the most outspoken but either way he is now feeling like he's vindicated so that's the part of tom that's coming back out the part of tom that he's suppressed and he would only talk about it with you know his bandmates like jason or in the mirror to himself as i imagine he does that's where he's coming out now so we're going to start to see that maybe by the end of the show because he's probably going to be standing at the very end we'll probably see the real tom sandball again i think so but like his demeanor even at that breakfast when he walked in. He was like, I can't believe I'm here. And he's like, smiley and chatty. And it was just, it's strange to see. We haven't seen that out of him in, I don't know, two fucking years.

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Product availability may vary by Regency app for details. We get the mission. Everyone comes, our Alan comes in, and we get the mission for the day, and he's dropping subtle hints. He's like, go outside and do it quick. Be a doll. And clearly, quite clearly the clue. there is be a doll and sandoval's like hmm do it quick then sam's like no dickhead be a doll be a doll he's like oh right right right right totally the other thing is though like when he's giving hints

do the hints really matter like oh it's gonna be a doll you're gonna find out shortly you're not gonna yeah who cares yeah i don't know that just shows like how stupid everybody is too because they're all like oh my god what is the mission going to be something with dolls let's start thinking about dolls who's got experience with dolls and it's like what do you guys doing you have no idea what this is going to be this could be anything this isn't survivor this isn't big brother you don't have to figure this out it is going to be what it is and you might not even be on the mission you might be back at the castle as we see it a little bit so i love that they're trying to sit there and figure out like slew through and then tom is still so far behind

do it yeah yeah okay that's what it was tom go quit it's going to be a speed run nice all right i'm fast i think i'm fast that's why i have lightning bolts all over myself yeah okay cool cool I've got a great running for him. You think everybody saw me running in the forest earlier this week. Elbows out, maybe. Elbows out. High stepping through the woods. Aerodynamic Tom.

That's what they call me. Aero Tom. Oh, actually, it's not horrible. That actually works now. Yeah. But everyone's outside. We're playing some classic castle games, right? Croquet, badminton.

What else do you do? Pretty much it. Polo, yeah? Yeah, what else would be a castle game? jousting perhaps that would have been fun to watch maybe that should be oh that's a skeet shooting skeet shooting is probably oh there you go that's probably that's a big one yeah nice job that would be a full one to watch too maybe we'll get yeah can't trust these people with guns that's for sure probably not probably not uh big twist trader actually kill somebody with shotgun

daniel turns gun on caroline and wins no everyone's speculating right now and this is like what we've gotten used to is the in between the mission everything everyone's speculating so the big things that people are talking about the big people we got daniel is being mentioned multiple times tom brings her up to caroline and you know caroline is playing for herself because she's got no other reason not to so she does tell tom he's like what happened between you and daniel and obviously daniel was trying to set up caroline the other day it makes caroline look bad if she defends daniel at this point so she just kind of tells him without throwing her under the bus entirely but the main focuses are like I said Danielle Britney's been talked about but the number one suspect

is once again Sierra because Sam and this is where he lost me I'm like he's killing it up until this point I'm like this this quiet savior has been here this whole time like fuck yes Sam then he's like we got to go back to the coffin I'm like fuck no we've been we've gotten away from the coffin I thought Sierra was cool Sierra thinks she's cool she was all happy at breakfast Like, let's not do this again. That's the type of thing that I feel like you just wait at the end. Like if Sierra's lingering around and there's like three or four people left and you really have no idea, you say the only clue that we have to go off of right now is the coffin.

And I can't believe we let it go on for this long, whatever you want to say. Sure. You guys are just at a loss. Anytime that they get a traitor, anytime that they get somebody else out, they're just at a loss. They don't know what to do. They have nothing to go off of. And all they really have to do is just start listening because right now, To be fair, the majority of the people that are putting names out there end up being traitors.

Anytime that we're going into a roundtable, it's Boston Robb is leading the charge against somebody like, yeah, there's people whispering in corners. But if somebody's actually leading a charge, it's usually a traitor. Danielle did it to Carolyn a couple of days ago. Boston Rob did it about five times. Like, how are they not understanding how this is working? They're just sitting back and trying to let things come to them. There's no proactivity.

They're just stuck. they've been backed into a corner by clumsy work from the trade. I mean, that's the one thing I'll give them credit for, and that goes back to episode one or episode two and when Rob entered the chat. Because he did say, like, we can play the chaos route. I don't want to do that, but we can. The chaos route, for all intents and purposes, is working. I just don't think that that's a winning model,

and that's why I'm so skeptical of how they're doing it, because I don't think you can carry that through to the end. I do think it's worked up. I can't argue that. It has worked. It continues to work because for whatever reason, every faithful keeps focusing on the wrong person, the wrong thing.

I think Dylan has some kind of epiphany at the end of this episode where he kind of clicks with them. And he's like, fuck, like we're doing exactly what they want us to at the roundtable. We're focused on one thing. Dylan even admits he voted for Sierra because he went with a popular vote at the end. So I think what you're getting is people starting to hopefully finally realize

that this is the plan and they need to slow the fuck down. and actually do some detective work because I just don't think that this model is going to get the traders a W at the end. Yeah. We will see. But Gabby and Sierra are talking, and that's where we point at Brittany and Danielle,

which I do think there's a lot to be said about that pair. Yeah. And again, I just think that Danielle calls too much attention to herself, but Monday morning quarterbacking, I'm trying to, like, again, not do that too much because we watch at home and overanalyze and we're not on the show. I'm sure it's much more difficult in person.

But we get to the mission. Do you have any more speculative evidence that you would like to submit? No, I just think that at this point, because, you know, like you said, with Danielle and Brittany, they're just too buddy-buddy, they're paling around. It looks like they don't have a care in the world. That should put a target on your back. And now that we go through, what we go through in this episode, you really have nothing to go off of.

So unless something pops up that's very glaring, that's really what. what you have go after brittany go after daniel there's really nothing else to look at at this point my question to you this is something weird that i remembered you remember when they were in the woods and they were rock paper scissoring for a shield and dylan said i'm really good at rock paper scissors i actually don't lose this game he lost he didn't get on the winning team he didn't do it that's a good point that's a good what happened dylan what happened you had to stay back at the house with the phone yeah all that shit talking huh maybe used to lose to your uh your actor brother dylan Is he a good actor?

I think so. I think he is. You seen Iron Claw? Oh, yeah. Is it Iron Claw, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that movie's great. I love that movie.

He's a great actor. That was still, did Bob the Drag Queen come out and say anything about that? I believe so, yeah. He did. Okay. Yeah, I think he changed his course on that one. All right, good. Poor Zach caught astray there.

Yeah, but let's get to the mission. And lo and behold, we do find out what Beahdoll means. I know we were all concerned that we were going to put that one together. But half of them are going to a house in the woods, a creepy dollhouse. The other half are going to the castle. The ones at the dollhouse have to find a doll that sings a lullaby or a nursery rhyme backwards. You have to repeat that sound through a phone that goes to the castle into a, what are those things called? I don't know.

I have no idea. into a record player the old school record player the big like tuba sticking out of it and then it reverses it and then when they listen to it they have to say which one it is they call back give it to allan is everyone on the same page with my description because if you are i'm proud of you i'm confused but anyway this was probably my favorite scene easily my favorite scene in this show this is one of my favorite reality tv scenes that i think I've ever watched. I was on the airplane trying not to laugh out loud.

And I'm watching it on my phone, like giggling like an idiot. Because Sandoval is running around, grabbing these dolls. He's outside. And it looks like when you see a singer getting warmed up and they're like, la la la la. And he's literally trying to sing these songs.

And he's the only one focused on the goal because we know that there's a bear hidden amongst the dolls and the bear has the shield. We only have one shield for the players at the dollhouse. my only gripe with the rest of the group because they're having a grand old time giving Tom Sandoval shit he's the only one doing the mission you guys are looking for shields i think they were looking for the shield and that i think that tom's antics kind of threw them off they didn't really know what he'd do he was standing right at the edge of the doorway with one bear up to his ear with his other ear completely covered just singing over the bear it didn't look like something that was going to ever work it looked like he was going to ever work it looked like he was going to going to fail miserably but to his credit he was the only one who was doing anything everybody else was smashing dolls on the ground knocking things over because they were squirt and water which was kind of funny it was really funny especially like hey don't come over here yeah iver yeah i just i wrote it down how he's dead it to because he gets hit in the back goes what the fuck

i wrote what the f u h h k what the fuck it was incredible yeah look i don't think that he expected it and that's fair and then he just immediately grabs another doll and knocks it on the ground and it smashes everywhere because the doll's face was made of porcelain but tom was trying really hard iver did another funny thing because tom finally gets to the phone and starts beatboxing through that's the best way that i can come up with what the hell he was doing he was going off of like sounds but not focusing on the way that like the words could be structured like he was just going instead of being starting it with a B because it ends with a B

like he wasn't thinking about any of that he was just hoping that it worked he's a scat man Steve yeah yeah Tom the scatman that's what we see that thank God we came to that that was I don't care if I used like the rest of your brain power for the rest of the night that was good good job yeah I I because it was back here so I'm like I know this one I know this one I know this one you watched me if you're watching on youtube you can see my face trying to pull it out i got

there he got there it's host look it's hard you got to dig into the into the depths of steel's brain and pull that thing out that stuff yeah so foggy up there it's real but iver after tom gets it wrong obviously he for whatever reason he leaves the uh the doll back at the house and has to run back over so we can go listen to it again iver's just standing there with the phone and Now, it's like, who are you calling, Iver? He's like, I don't use my minutes. I don't know. What am I supposed to do?

That was a really funny moment. But yeah, the rest of the crew, still looking for the shield and basically just lining up dolls that they think could potentially be lullabies or nursery rhymes backwards and just handing them to Tom. Just like, all right, Tom, it's probably better if one person does this. I don't know. And back at the house was hilarious. Yeah. Because they had to listen to Tom every single time. and that has to have been infuriating until you get the first one.

100%. And I would love to know if any of our listeners do not know the backstory of Sandoval. And I do not know that he wants to be a rock star so bad. And what you saw there was him genuinely thinking that he was killing it. Like that's him locked the fuck in. He's like, I know I'd hit these notes. I'm the only one in the whole castle that's musically inclined. That's what you took for me.

line. Yeah. It's a phenomenal line. But to anybody that doesn't know who he is, like, that was all genuine. He actually thinks he's that guy. It was, it was a tremendous scene. And the credit goes to him because once again, you can make fun of him all you want. And everybody else did. The people at the castle were giving him shit. The people at the dollhouse were giving him shit. Without Sandoval, they lose that challenge. They don't even come close. But Sierra finds the shield by stroke of luck. sitting outside because she was trying to listen to something, but other than that, they would have lost. There was no one else there that would have done it. I couldn't see anyone else actually trying. They were just so lost for whatever reason. Tom took charge. I don't even think he took charge. He just decided to go out by himself. And once he got one, it got the ball rolling. And everyone else is like, all right, let's just feed Tom. He could do it. No, no, that's not what happened. I think that's what happened. It is, but it's not. He was so excited to step into that. It's like when you're in like middle school and you're really good at a specific sport and it's like gym class

and that's the day they play your sport and you're like yeah i'm going to show everyone how fucking good i am at this that was that work he was that kid and it worked it did it did undeniable but speculation station starts because we're headed shortly to the round table so obviously on the drive back people are starting to talk sierra still is brittany on her radar iver brings up Sierra once again to Danielle. Danielle obviously agrees. We're not to my least favorite part of Danielle yet. And we'll get there shortly.

But that part drove me fucking. Oh, no, I take that back. I skipped over it. Because right before we're going to the challenge, you got half the team going to the castle, half the dollhouse, they're aware that the five that head to the dollhouse will have a chance at a shield. They're not sure how many shields until they get there.

But they do know that somebody gets a shield there. So Danielle says, I want to make sure Brittany goes to the dollhouse because I want her to get a shield because I don't want Carolyn to get rid of my friend because she's my best friend. She didn't want Carolyn to know who got the shield. She wanted Carolyn to be on a different team so that she couldn't find out who got the shield, which is insane. Again, this is just traitors not working together. And it's now very clear that Danielle is just trying to bring Britney up either keep her as a faithful, bring her with her to the end, be friends of the. the entire time or try to recruit her to be a traitor and she doesn't want caroline to be any part of that which is crazy because you and caroline just lived through all of that bob the drag queen

went home you guys got boston rob out you guys should be on the same page at this point and instead for whatever reason i think that if daniel was authentic and legitimate and just tried to work with caroline it would work so well because caroline's very good at it and i don't deny that daniel could be good if she just tried to play it the right way instead she's still just trying to burn that bridge and I just don't get it. It's terrible gameplay by a traitor. I agree. We've had four traders total, two of which have gone home.

You've lost half of your team. And how did you lose those two? Via the traitors. They have not been whacked by the faithful yet. So you have cut your numbers in half because you're playing for your friends on the team faithful. That doesn't make any goddamn sense to me. I understand if it's later in the game, sure.

If you're trying to set something up for the ending, Fine. But you've literally whittled your numbers down to two out of four because you have a friendship with somebody in this house. That's wacky. That's just stupid. It's dumb gameplay. But we get to the castle. And Sam's still stuck on the coffin thing, which is fucking annoying. And Gabby brings up the partnership between Danielle and Brittany. Carolyn is doing what Carolyn usually does. And she's listening. She's listening to everything. and she wants Brittany out because she recognizes, and this just goes to show you that Carolyn's playing a better game,

an overall game, because her breakdown of the whole thing is, I see Britney's loyalty to Danielle. I see which way this is going. So Danielle brings Brittany on to be loyal to her, I'm the odd man out. They're going to get rid of me. I'm like 1,000 percent.

That is preemptive thinking. You are right on the nose, Carolyn, stick to your guns here, which we'll see later she does but you get like a last ditch effort from sierra to defend herself before we get to the actual roundtable because we just see people plot like like i said earlier you got brittany sierra and daniel are the three most discussed and daniel's kind of an afterthought but sierra does her best to try to throw everybody off i actually like this move of going to iver and being like i hear the coffins coming back up like address it before you get there

because you're, I think if you're Sierra, you have to know, like, you're going to have to put on a performance here or you're getting killed. Yeah. I think that what we've seen, and I think we've been spoiled by round tables the last couple of episodes. I think with Boston Rob's presence, with all the other gamers that have gone through that have had to defend themselves that I felt like did a pretty good job at defending themselves. And even the people that you try to push it off onto that defend themselves in that regard, too. It ends up being a good job. Yeah, like it seems like everybody up until now just did a great job at defending themselves. And now this just felt like an onslaught.

This was just a nightmare because there was nothing you could do because there was no good defense. Look, I like Sierra a lot. I think she's great. And we see her in Summer House. It looks like she covered some of her, uh, or took some of her skills that she learned at the traders and brought them back to Summer House, which is actually kind of fun to see. Great. But in this moment and at the round table, she's not good because she sees the writing on the wall.

All you're hearing is Brittany, you're hearing a little bit of Danielle. You can't split it up. You have to go after one. she's not doing that but she has nobody on her side really everybody's just kind of stuck and there's nothing you can really do but i especially like this moment where all the guys realize that they're the only guys left and that is very funny to me although tom wasn't part of it i forgot tom was still there because it was yeah without top but tom tom he's wandering he's just you know he's a floater he doesn't really have an allegiance to anybody the guys realizing

that they're quote unquote outnumbered by what one and you get that you know Ivor is a misogynist. That dude's a dick. Because he's like, we've come to the conclusion that the trade is must be women. It's like based on what? You could be a traitor. The guy's seen next to you could be a traitor. You got this is not like just because you're playing the law of averageism like using statistics.

I think there's one more girl than there is guys. Like, but no one knows. I think because they got two guys out already and they were both traitors. That's what he's thinking. Oh. It's not like it's not completely flawed, but coming from I agree. he's been going after he has voted for one guy the entire time and i think it was boston rob when he was already going to go he already had a foot out the door at that point yeah other than that he goes

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trying to figure it out. Sam's reasoning makes the most sense if you don't know what else to pick. Because he's like, let's just put it to bed, guys. Like, we'll get rid of her. The way he made it sound is like, either way, we can at least move on from this? I'm like, can't we take a time out and use some other evidence than the coffin thing? Like, it's way too obvious. The fact that you guys have been discussing it.

Go ahead. Yeah, and I just don't think that they have any other evidence. That's what I'm saying. No, I agree. They're playing such a bad game that they're not trying. They could have potentially, and look, this could have been an editing thing who knows. But even if he sat there and said the way that Carolyn answered that question this morning, it was a little suspect. Let's talk about that. That's all you have to do. Like throw something else out

there. And of course, this is the only time. And there have been grumblings about talking about Boston Rob, talking about Bob the Drive Queen, talking about Wes, whoever it may have been, every time it's been a split vote. But for whatever reason, it just seemed like everybody was on the same page with let's get rid of this fucking theory. If it works, incredible. And if it doesn't, we still have no theories. We have nothing to go off of. So we're still stuck, but at least we can stop talking about this theory. And I feel like nobody had anything better to say. So that's what happened. And it was just a pure onslaught. There was nothing that Sierra could have done to defend herself. You can't even point the finger at Brittany. You can't point the finger at Danielle,

the other two names that were being spoken of just because no one is going to hear it. That nobody knows what the answer is. Like you said, nobody knows the truth. Nobody has anything to go off of other than this stupid coffin theory because they haven't gotten any other. theories since then they're just stuck and there's just nothing she could have done so it was tough to watch it was actually a pretty boring roundtable because we already what was going to happen but you know again statistically speaking because tom breaks it down for us oh yeah historically girls are better cheaters than guys because they have better social status i mean traitors i mean traders i mean that was oh did i stay cheaters i didn't mean that at all i will say you i will say you

his cleanup job was kind of funny. He's like, I know men are more likely to cheat. Trust me. And I was like, okay, a little self-awareness. But then Sierra jumps in. She's like, she goes, oh, we know Tommy's like, stop. You stop. Like, how does he stop, though?

You stop that now. I just love a little side comment. I think it was Gabby from the other side of the room. Oh, we should just vote Tom out just for saying that. Yeah, right. That would have been better to go off of. But then, you know what? And again, we would have come back to the goddamn coffins next.

week and we wouldn't be able to move past this. So from a viewer standpoint, even though, yeah, I mean, we got a great moment in the dollhouse and we get a great moment after this, which is just insanity. But this roundtable, I'm okay with it being boring because they need to move on. They need to figure something else out and get back to this. Otherwise, they'd just be stuck on it. But, uh, yeah, I mean, voting people out for, uh, for making cheater comments would be very funny.

That would be hilarious. I would be on board for that because it would, it would just make me laugh. But, you know, Sierra's. biggest flaw in this game is just being too strong. Like being too, being too sure of herself. You know, speaking up for herself,

defending herself. I don't know. And I, I don't know why that became something to hone in on. Yeah. Like, why was that such a shocking thing for her to say when she's laying in a coffin I'm fucking coming for you?

Just like be truthful. And look, if they were truthful and just said what Sam said and everybody else just agreed, We have to put this to bed, unfortunately. If you're a faithful, that really sucks. But we have nothing. We just don't know what to do right now. We're not going to agree.

So it could just be everybody vote for whoever they want to. Let's just see what happens. Somebody's going to go home. That could be fun. I'd actually like that. A little randomization would be fun. Based on this group of faithfuls, they have a better shot of getting a traitor out by winging it than they do by using their logic.

That's a really good point. It never works. So maybe go against the grain. Yeah, dude. that was a tough roundtable to watch because you just knew there's no plan you guys don't know what's going on and sierra's going to get killed and that sucks or banished whatever but we get to the aftermath and everyone realizes like sam literally goes who played that one really wrong it's like yeah bro you fucking did you did and also because you've been this silent figure for so long and all of a sudden you're confident and coming up with these wild theories that make sense to people they're going to listen to you god damn it fucking serious Sam, he went, he went so high and so low to one episode with me. It was like, whoo, woo, back to where you were. It was just a reminder that Sam was there, honestly.

The most where you just kind of forget he's there. The fact that him and Iver have lasted this long. I guess because they're just so unassuming. And like to us, the viewer were like, yeah, Ivers annoying because he only talks about voting women out. And I just had no idea what he's doing. Sierra, like, you know, I think you're easily manipulated by Boston Rob. it's like all right bro fuck you like yeah he's just a dick i really don't like him yeah no the whole thing is just very fucking funny but again there's nothing they can do here

and you can see dylan dylan's distraught he feels like he played it wrong he said that's the only time that he's voted and didn't think that the person was actually a traitor you just wanted to go with the crew yeah i get it like again there's nothing you can do in that situation without you know you vote for somebody randomly you're going to put a target on your back just go with the flow at that point there's nothing else that you can do it there now they have nothing they have zero to go off of so they're probably going to go after brittney next week uh whatever that would be stupid too unless again something happens because it seems like something happens every day that we have to talk about so maybe somebody will show their hand faithful or traitor i don't know who it is

somebody's going to say something stupid next week i think the fact because we get obviously afterwards everyone's trying to figure out why they went wrong who do we look at next because like you just said because there's no plan of attack now everyone's back to square one but i will say this i think that this was an important roundtable to change the way they approach things because that was kind of yeah you you hope but dylan seems to have some kind of epiphany after realizing he went with a popular vote and felt like a dick after the fact so he's starting to think a little bit more outside of his normal thinking and that's proven with how he's talking about daniel because He comes in and sits back to her at one point.

I noticed all of her other body language, like the tears, obviously, the over-talking, the over-offering of comments here and there. What I didn't notice was the shaking. Yeah. And Dylan's like, maybe the shaking is throwing me for a loop. Maybe that's not actually real.

And he starts to hone in on Danielle. Now, what I could see happening, what I would love to see happening, because Carolyn's pretty tight with most of the people there, except for Danielle and by proxy now, Brittany. Yeah. I could see Dylan going to Carolyn.

Carolyn being like, hmm, we can roll with this because Danielle's been brought up before. Carolyn can go talk shit about Danielle because Danielle's been caught talking shit about her. So it's not retaliatory. It's not revenge. It's just, sorry. So it could be seen as her just going after her because she felt like she was getting attacked. So that protects her. And I think she can rally other troops.

She could potentially get Danielle out because we're going to talk about the turret in a second. I think after that, that should be her sole focus. Yeah, I agree. But there's a path there. The path is through Dylan. Yeah, there is a path there. It's through Dylan. Dylan's the only, like you said in the beginning of the episode, he's one of the only

traitors that you can look at and say he's trying to play a good game. He seems to be on to something. So hopefully that is the path because you can't go through any of the other idiots. They're just not going to get it. it's not going to work i don't really know what's going to happen what he's going to do i mean at this point his boy was boston rob i mean at this point he feels like he's a lost puppy so hey they're still boys they golf they are still boys they golf but rob is dead in this universe so look he's just maybe he's just going to go out on a limb maybe he's going to do something that

he hasn't done so far and he's going to leave charge and it's going to work out really well and that's going to look good on him i hope the love of god we need somebody to step up we need somebody to show up as a strong player because it looks like, and again, Carolyn is, I still can't wrap my head around it. Is she playing a good game or is she just put in this position because of Danielle and Boston Robin and Bob the drag queen the entire time? Either way, it's working for her. No one's playing a good game. Nobody's a strong player left. So if somebody could step up and do it, that would be great for TV at least. No, I think Carolyn's doing a good job because she realized early that her voice isn't being

heard. So instead of fighting that, she's like, all right, I'm just going to step back and let you guys run this. And so when shit falls apart, fingers are going to be pointed somewhere, but they're not going to be pointed at me because my reactions are genuine every morning because that's not the first I wanted to go. Who knows what's going to happen because we

have to talk about the turret. Yeah, let's talk with the turret. Yeah. What a disaster, bro. Like, Danielle is so to anybody thinking that she's playing a good game, I don't understand your logic, because once again, we're in the turret. And they're talking about who to kill. Alan comes in and says, you have the choice.

We can either murder or use seduction, and that is to bring in another traitor. It's up to you. Now, the rules being, if you go try to seduce somebody and bring them onto the team and they say no, now you also can't murder somebody. So now you don't have a traitor and there's somebody in the house. So that's the risk you run by trying to seduce somebody and bring them on to the team. Now, as they're discussing it, obviously, we know who Danielle wants, Brittany. So she has her pal there.

And this is why I think Carolyn has been playing a good game. And when push comes to shove, she's like, absolutely not. No, I'm not bringing your bestie in here. So you guys can turn on me, get rid of me, and now I'm out. And we have heard this speech in different ways from Danielle in every single turret. she starts going on this this rant about oh my god no we're in this together it's a sisterhood she says sisterhood i'm like you've tried to kill this woman three times shut up with sisterhood and i love that caroline didn't bite at all why would you that's the stupidest the stupidest defense from

daniel ever and i don't understand are you playing this game to make friends like did you not have friends growing up is that what this is about i don't understand what this need to appease the faithful is fucking kill brittany who cares i think that she for whatever reason she thinks that maybe it's look it's just like guilty conscience maybe she thinks i went after caroline she's going to take some shot at me at some point it's not going to be nice it's not going to be good and look i think that again if she just stepped off of caroline and just played the game as a traitor we wouldn't have this issue but she has it in the back of her head that she wants to burn caroline and this is her best opportunity to do it the problem is

is why would she think that Carolyn would want to go along with this? It doesn't make any sense. And as much as I want to see them recruit somebody else to be a traitor, because that's what makes this show really good. I agree with Carolyn. You have to take a shot to kill somebody. Yes. You have to get rid of somebody.

And look, if you're going to bring on a traitor, the thing, the talk of the house right now for the most part is all the guys are getting together saying it has to be a woman. It has to be a woman. Even some of the girls are saying it. So why would you not bring on a guy, one of the guys that maybe you can trust see if they'll come on because they're just going to jump at the opportunity to be a traitor at this point because they're lost and they have no theories to go off of and they're stuck bring them on and then kill them immediately and you don't have to say anything now i'm sure it gets disclosed that there's another traitor in the house and they have to talk about it or whatever but that would be the opportunity to add somebody is adding one of the guys don't do anything else don't bring brittany on because there's already a target on your backs because you guys are so chummy Everybody already thinks that Britney's a traitor.

The last two roundtables have been people going after Britney. Why would you bring Britney on? It just doesn't make any sense. It's just Daniel. Because she's a friend. Danielle just trying to run the turret. And you know for a fact, as soon as she brings on Brittany, she'll burn Carolyn, and then her and Brittany can go until the end,

and then she'll probably burn Britney. 1,000%. That's what I think. Now, before we wrap this up, who would you bring on? I would honestly bring on I thought that Dylan was the right call, but I don't know if Dylan would actually accept it. I think that Dylan would actually say no. I would, I don't know.

Tom would be really funny. I always come back to that, though. I don't think it can be Tom. Tom as a traitor would just be hilarious. It would be fun to watch. I just don't think that's conducive to your gameplay. Yeah, no, it's definitely not abusive to the gameplay. I can see Sam being a decent.

choice you got to pick a dude just to throw the scent off since everyone's talking about it being girls now yeah i yeah i agree with that but like it's either sam or or dylan but either one of them could say no i mean that's the other thing that you have to think about when you do this because if they say no then they know that they were recruited they can come back in the morning say hey i was recruited to be a traitor and then everybody's going to start thinking if it's brittany by the way because you don't know who it is it's not like daniel and caroline are going to walk up to brittany and say hey do you want to be a traitor you send them a letter and they read the letter and say, yes, I want to be a traitor, or no.

If Brittany gets recruited and comes in the next morning and says, yeah, I was recruited to be a traitor, everybody's going to look at Danielle. So obviously, that would be stupid. So the whole thing is a nightmare. It's just stupid. They have to kill somebody. They can't bring anybody on, which sucks. I agree.

But look, again, is the gameplay frustrating at times? Absolutely. The show is great. The show is fantastic. It's so entertaining. It's just from a gameplay standpoint. I wish we had more strategy happening. But what do you say we get to some questions here to wrap this bad boy up?

This is not the first time I've seen this from Kara Miriam Woods. Okay, hear me out. Dylan and Sierra, this has been talked about. You're not the only one to bring this up. Yeah, other people have mentioned this. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't hate it, but I don't think it happened.

I'd ship them. this is bad from JJ the Alaskan are you from Alaska that's cool for next season what males from bravo would you want to see cast uh look vpr needs some work so maybe you throw Tom shorts in there he would be funny he'd be funny um uh Austin yeah summer or summer house Jesus southern charm Austin would be interesting um maybe a house husband of some kind I saw like a list recently. There was a couple

of house husbands in there. I didn't agree with any of them. It was like Joe Gorga. Like no. Oh my God. Dude, Justin from Roslick would be fucking funny. Or one of the Salt Lake husbands would be really funny to see them that would be great. I think one of those guys would be my choice. And you can pick and choose whomever you'd like from Real Housewives of Salt Lake.

Yeah. It would be the right one. from Honda accordingly, would Dolores make a great trader? Yeah, I think that the traitors are underestimating Dolo. I really do. I think the fact that they're both like, she can't do this. I'm like, you guys must not watch the show because she would be. They were worried that she was going to say no to them is what I got, which obviously you think that possibility, but I don't think she would say no. I think she'd be a great addition to the team.

Yeah. Yeah, from Jay Somaloski, 26. Do you ever wish we didn't know who the traitors were and were playing along at home? I think I've thought about this before. I think it would make it so difficult to play this, to watch the game. It'd be hard to follow. It would be really hard to follow. I get the premise of it, but I think production-wise, it would be impossible for us to actually follow along.

It would be tough. And I'm going to lump in a bunch of these because these are all Tom-centric. from Maggie Justice, is it just me or Sandval incredibly entertaining? Bad person, good character. From Bridget J. Not a cue, but this episode made me forget why we were mad at Tom Sandoval. Yep, I think we can all see that. And then the last one is this, because no.

From Lord Tennant, did this episode make you go out and buy tickets to see Tom's band? You couldn't give us free tickets to go see him. And guess what? No. We got free tickets to go. go see him and we didn't fucking go see him absolutely not that that yeah no chance had karaoke band like i'm good this is the perfect amount of sand overall right now i didn't know he was going to be this entertaining but this is enough for me just keep doing this for a while then i don't have to see

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