Bros & Shows - The RHOC Cast vs Katie (RHOC Premiere Full Recap)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOC has returned and they are coming off a pretty solid showing from last season. Unfortunately, we are brought right back to last season within the first 10 minutes, because apparently Katie is still a villain? Despite Emily's terrible comments about Katie and her custody journey, Emily insists that the comment about her kids not liking Heather is far worse. Tough look. On top of that, Gina decided she's going to be a hardo all season as well as Emily's mouthpiece. Shannon continues on her wellness journey as Tamra tries to pull sympathy during therapy. The ladies head to the Golden Door where its a gang up on Katie (which already happened earlier when Gina ambushed Katie with Emily). We loved last season, this premiere makes us a little apprehensive due to the issues we are already getting stuck on... But too early to say! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, really? I, yeah, I'll get deeper into it, but I was very confused at my own, uh, let's just call it my own awareness of what was going on. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows. Brose and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host. You're Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Orange County McGee. What's up, dude? Good to be back. Hanging out.

Just shooting the shit. Yeah. Hang out with you. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. Yes, of course. Or is it good to be back at OC? This made me nervous.

This episode made me nervous. I don't know. I have no idea. I have to convince myself. I don't know if I do this every season with OC, but I do have to convince myself to like the show. I have a hard time with this group of women. My issue is like all of the things that irritated me prior,

and I know we're starting off the season like grumpy. It is what it is. I'm just, I'm confused because we left off last season saying that was a great season of OC. see nothing has changed exactly except that's the problem the weakest link of the cast is gone yeah we haven't gotten gretchen yet so really nothing has changed we got rid of alexis which should be good and for whatever reason this whole episode of like god i don't like anyone on this cast at all i just can't find any sort of like level ground with them no they started off way too strong and too weird

Like, Gina, I don't know what the fuck she's on. Like, this is the same tough guy shit we saw last year. Emily's lost her fucking mind. Heather is the same as Heather always is. I'll give her that. She's consistent. But, like, the only people that I even like are Jen and Katie. Yeah, I really like Jen.

I love Jen. Really like Jen. I actually failed to mention that when I was talking about the cast. Katie, I'm still unsure about she. God, she has to stop talking to bloggers. Well, sure. That's just like rule number one. It's the hypocrisy of this show, I think, is it drives me nuts because she needs to stop talking to bloggers, but so does every other person on this cast.

The worst people on this cast are the loudest. Yes. There's not a good voice, and I hope that Jen does find her voice this season. I'm starting to think that she might. She's starting to get that comfy spot. I think she's starting to recognize she has more support out here. then she realized this this actually just goes to show you how i feel about the show i'm in a real pickle i might like ryan i can find myself really liking ryan this season and i don't know

how to feel about that we said at the end of last year that he was he was turning a corner you know like there's still some shady shit about i'm sure and he still mentions sex every chance he gets that's annoying you know what that it is annoying but i've come to understand that he's just going to do that and I just let it go. I still feel some type of way about it, but I don't like, I don't hate the guy anymore. I used to hate him.

I used to have a visceral reaction when he would talk about sex. Yeah, I'm just like, I am. I'm just like, oh, dude, come on. But I'm right there with you, and I figured we had a similar sentiment. As far as most shows go, we tend to be relatively in the same dimension.

With this show, we're usually, like, exactly the same. Yeah. I figured you would have the same issues. Let's just run through the cast. Okay, sure. Tamara sucks. Emily.

sucks. Yep. Katie, unsure. Shannon. I like Katie. I love Shannon Bador for who she is.

And I don't see that really changing. I do get to a point where I'm like, all right, I've had enough Shannon. Yeah. But I love her anyway.

Same. And I don't think that's ever going to change. Heather checked out. Once to go to a different show, wants to go wherever. There's a report out there now that Katie and Heather

aren't going to come back next season already. One episode in. We're already reading this. Which we've been saying every year about Heather, so I'll believe it when I see it. to Beverly Hills. Send her to Beverly Hills.

Or, you know, maybe she just wants to move on. Maybe she wants to start her own show. I don't know. Her and Terry can go do something. That's fine. But still, I do like Heather. Gina sucks. She's brutal.

She is all brutal. She's somehow worse than Emily, but I can't stand Emily. So I don't really know. They're kind of together. I guess they came on the show together. So it makes sense. And then it's like, okay, what do we have here? And I'm not out on this season.

Last year they surprised us because two years ago, you guys know, you made us hate watch the whole season. We got through it. Last season we enjoyed, and we were honest about that. This season's that I'm not trying to like start off depressed and certainly not checked out. And I'm not even depressed. It's just, I don't know. I think I was engaged the whole time.

So was I, but I was irritated. Really irritated. Yeah. And I think that's like what struck me as like, oh shit, a lot of the stuff that's happening where a lot of the things I didn't like from last season carried over into this year. So when you say nothing's changed other than Alexis. being gone, which is a great improvement, we're talking about the same shit again in episode one.

That bothers me. That bothers me, too. And we're having the same exact reactions from everybody. We pretty much picked up at the reunion and started this season. And I don't love that. Like, obviously, we have to mention things that happened last year. Obviously, we have to cover how people are feeling about everything. But the attack started immediately.

And again, I think the underlying irritation is this is the most hypocritical show on Bravo to the point where I can't believe it's a massive statement, but I can't believe some of the things that come out of these women's mouth. I'm like, you literally do that same shit that you're yelling at her about. So how on earth can you stand there in your glass house and throw these gigantic boulders around? Well, there is a new addition to the season. I don't feel bad saying this at all, actually. Faber's teeth. Oh, I didn't even see that. Oh, I didn't even see that.

I was writing a lot. She can't keep her mouth shut. Like, usually she can't keep her mouth shut. Correct. Now she looks like Eddie, where they both do the same thing, where their mouth's just open when they're staring. And I'm like, shut your mouth. Please, shut it.

But I don't know if she can. I can't believe on this. I was writing a lot. Yeah, she's got new teeth. Vernier's just came in. Veneers. Verniers. I always say verneers.

It's veneers. Yeah. And I know that too. I should know better. You're better than that. I need veneers. No. Maybe that'll help me speak better.

No. Yeah, but like if people are going to go after Carl and we have to hear that heartfelt story about Carl and like he's had problems with dental problems his whole life. Everybody felt bad afterwards. I would hope. Save it for Tamara. Yeah.

What the fuck? I don't know. Dude. Chompers are crazy. She won't ever hear this. She blocked this a while ago. Yeah. Well, you know,

she doesn't talk to bloggers apparently. let's get into it there's hypocrisy let's get into this fucking premiere we start out with shannon and katy i guess they've become very close over the off season they squash a repeat that they did have they're talking about the phoenix open which is great you know it's a sea of penis which we love to hear lots of fun out there yep Shannon settled the lawsuit as we know with johnny jay hopefully don't have to say that name too many times this season hopefully that's like one and done i i get the sense that we're done with it i really hope so it's just to mention like, hey, this was a big storyline last year, but Alexis isn't here anymore.

Bring it to a close. We're moving on. And when Shannon says, we're moving on, hopefully that means us as an audience. That's how I felt. I had a feeling there, but with Shannon, you never know. Yeah, that's a good point as well. But Shannon's inviting the whole crew to this golden door place that she apparently spent a weekend and is spending another week in it.

I think it's like 13 grand for eight days, whatever. But they invited her and everybody to come with her to. spend a day at the golden door. So that's setting up the whole thing. And then we're going Beamer shopping, which I love. I love that we're starting out with a wealthy activity looking for a Series 7. Series 7? I think that's what she said. That sounds like, what's that, that's your business like you have to take you a Series 7? Oh, no, for training securities, yeah. That was the series. I think it's series 9, though. I thought it was your series 7. I don't know. There's something, there's one for selling insurance and then there's one for selling securities. I don't know.

I think it's seven and nine. So I might have the other one wrong. But in the initial scene, we get to lay out drama. And Emily comes up. And this whole thing that I thought we were done with, I hope that we were done with it. But the whole Kylie issue, who is obviously Katie's daughter, she went on a podcast and was talking about Emily's kids talking shit about Heather. And by talking shit, I mean, they said Heather's mean. They're children. We don't like Heather, Heather's mean.

Okay, that was the extent of it. And I'm going to get much further into that later. because holy shit unfortunately we have to but that set the tone and immediately I'm like we're still doing this shit yeah I think we're doing it

remind me of the timing of Kylie going on the podcast it was after the reunion aired no oh she went on after it aired because that's when it came out that the nanny was corroborating the story right yeah and now I guess Emily's suing Emily's a lawyer

but she has to pay somebody to whatever she's not a real lawyer she went what school did she a lawyer to she went to some school that is not actually an accredited uh school to be a lawyer south harmon institute of technology more or less is the vibe i got a lot of people reached out to us saying it's not an accredited place i could you go there i don't know i don't understand it yeah so she's she's a lawyer enough to speak on katy's custody battles back in the day

when she didn't know katy but she's not a lawyer enough to sue the nanny for talking about yes good okay maybe it's a conflict just trying to figure out just trying to gauge it i don't understand I don't know, but let's check in with Gene and Travis, who have moved back in together. They got a little five-bedroom spot, much more space. They're super happy to be there, you know, she took it. Maybe this is what it is. Maybe this is why she is the way she is this season. But I can't blame it all in this because we saw inklings of it last year.

She went on a life-changing trip to Bali where she really connected with the wind. At least she prefaced it by saying, I know this is going to sound crazy. She's windy, no. Yeah, she's wind. wind she's wind she is wind yes is wind um yeah i mean let's check in with gina's storyline her perpetual storyline Travis every year Travis leaving Travis is moving in Travis is moving out Travis is moving in Travis has a crazy ex he's got it he does have a crazy ass that is definitely true but I'm tired of it yeah dude I I I know this is like it is probably crazy if we look at

it from a a civilian standpoint okay that is a tough life to live? Sure. Your boyfriend's... I don't know what they... I have no idea what they are. Has a crazy ex. You've got a bunch of kids in the house. You're going from... Good for her. I guess she's got a bunch of kids. And she's got a bunch of kids. That's fucking crazy. I lose track, too, because then we go to Jen's house and I'm like, and she's got all these adopted kids. There's just so many people. A lot of kids. There's a lot of kids to keep track of in the show. So better we don't keep track of them, probably, except for Emily's kids right now and Katie's kid.

Otherwise, yeah, a lot of shit going on there. But we do this all the time. And I guess, yeah, good for her that she's moving up. She got a five bedroom. Last year she was in a three bedroom or four bedrooms. She was building bunk beds and doing all this stuff. Now she's in a five bedroom house. Travis is back.

I'm sure that's the end of it. We're not going to have to hear about how Travis's mental health is impacted by all these things going on and he's going to have to move out again, right? He didn't want to move out. Her life was affected. So she kicked him. That's what happened. I know. It's just, this is three, four years in a row.

Three at least. It's at least three. I think I did maybe wipe my memory clean. I need to try. Of course, this is one of the few things I hold on to. I'm like, I remember all of this. Yeah. And Emily arrives, and they're discussing the nanny shit immediately. And I guess Jen and Shannon had a beach day, and Gina was there, and we get like a nanny shit-talking flowchart, which I did appreciate. It was still confusing the time. mine had to rewind it a few times but i got there jen says that katie told jen about the kids talking

shit then the nanny reached out to jen about confirming the rumors to be true and then katie gave the nanny the info to make all of this happen yeah the info to get on a podcast or get in touch with a blogger something like share the information that's what i got which is like what does that mean i I don't, send a DM. This is, this is why I can't fully like Katie. I think I like her as a person, but as a castmate, I don't, I can't really get behind her. She's got to clean up the, stop talking to bloggers. Or talk to them, but like, though the scene later where she's, don't say their friends.

Yeah, the scene later where she's talking about friends and like getting invited to a birthday, it's cringe. Yes, I agree with that. But you imagine if we had a birthday and we're like, hey, who wants to come to our birthday? We're not bloggers. We don't, we're not the podcast like breaks room. Well, it was, it was Bravo, babe, wasn't it? Was it? Yeah, I could kind of see through the.

Oh, I didn't see. Like, we've talked to a bunch of, I think she was at the green room, actually. What she? Oh, she was. Her first live show. Yeah, first live show. That was the, um, was that the green room? Oh, not the green room or the red room.

Red room. Oh, who knows? I can't tell the difference. A blue room. But what? We haven't been there yet. Nope. Is that a thing?

The boom boom boom room? I said the blue room. The boom boom room. Oh. It's a different room. I thought you said the boom room and the, I don't know, whatever. No, sir. All right.

Anyway, Katie does need to stop talking bloggers, though. It's brutal. Here's the thing, okay, even that statement right there. Because, yeah, of course, you're going to get into shit when you bring in bloggers. This group is notorious for talking to the media. Most Housewife franchises do this now. I agree. And that's actually one of the things I think is making these franchises tank is too much connection with the social media aspect of things.

I think that's a bad play. Except for Salt Lake, which is too big to fail right now. Salt Lake is untouchable at the moment, you know, but no one's too big to fail. Hopefully, by bringing light to this and calling people out. And yeah, we might have to endure a season here or there. And OC is probably going to be the first one that this is going to go on all season. Probably. Where I imagine Katie's going to get called out for it, then whoever's on her team with Jen

and Ryan or whoever is going to call out Tamara for also doing the same thing. And we're just really going to have to bring this into a big storyline. Like, hey, stop. talking to bloggers and then they'll see the audience and maybe they'll kind of back off a little bit. They're still going to talk to them. Yeah, no shot. But bringing it on screen doesn't work. No, it's annoying. It's really annoying. It's stupid. It's, it's the worst way to break the fourth wall. Agreed. Agreed. That's a great way to put it. With Amex Platinum, $400 in annual credits for travel and dining means you not only satisfy your travel bug, but your taste buds too. That's the powerful

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Who cares? Nobody, except for them. This is one of those things where, like, it's like the ring in the valley. You keep talking about it. It becomes a thing. This could have been nothing. This is Heather and the paparazzi photo. It could have been nothing.

But here we are still. I had a seven days loaded in the chamber when you said the ring. Oh, my bad. I got you off. No, it's okay. No, I was just going to say seven days. And then you went somewhere else. I thought you were actually referencing the ring.

No, not, what, Samora from the ring? Is that the bad? Yeah, I think so. Wow. Something along those lines. Is she bad? She misunderstood. She killed a lot of people.

Yeah. Why was she in the well? Who put her in the well? Well, clearly someone killed her. Nobody put Sonora in the well. Sonora. Is it Sonora or Samara? I thought it's Sonora.

I don't know. Whatever. We got sidetracked, guys. What are we going to do? What was it? What were we talking about? Oh, yeah, the kids. I've always had the sneaking suspicion.

It was just Shane sitting there sucking down a Diet Coke. talking about Heather probably talking about everybody yeah like we know for a fact

you can just use your brains these housewives are going home and talking to their significant other sometimes they're older kids about their day and their day job

is a housewife show so they're going to be talking smack on the other housewives it's just how it works it makes sense you may see this with coworkers

when they're in an office job oh yeah you can't believe what this dude did. He brought in fish to work. What if my eight-year-old son, who I don't have, is going to be talking smack on that co-worker? Is it going to get back to me and somebody's going to sue me?

Maybe. What are we talking about here? This is setting dangerous presidents. It is crazy. It is unbelievable behavior of the fact that Emily is saying this is going to ruin her life, and Gina is backing her up for it. No, Gina said to Emily, it's going to ruin your life. They're both. They're losers. Exactly. They're just fucking losers.

And when you compare what Katie and Kylie said about Emily and Heather she's mean and I don't like her on stage at a reunion you brought up custody child protective services you brought up the fact that Katie was

incapable of caring for her kids and then we found out it was a horrible situation in which she had no place to live at the time and had to give up custody in order to get her shit together so she could get her kids back you go digging for that shit and pull all of your fake lawyer cards but you're going to be up in arms about your kids saying that don't like Heather because she's mean because that puts you in bad standing with Heather

that's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard it just points to once again what a loser get over it that's it's crazy that and that's where I started to get really irritated with like the hypocrisy of it all I'm like how the fuck can look at this situation and blame her but you did 10 times worse on stage like in a much bigger fashion yeah that's dumb yeah it's stupid it is it's insane it's absolutely insane uh but gina is fed up with katie because emily's fed up jean's fed up gina's fed up because everyone else is fed up gina doesn't think

for herself so she's just mad because everyone else is mad and she has this newfound confidence because of the wind i guess so now she's raising hell and puffing out her chest and being like this is too far i'm gonna fucking figure this out i'm the hard ass of the group now no you're not yeah you're annoying that was a good accent too that's very close in the now at the end there yeah it's like absolutely perfect i just i want them to either all play dirty like if you're going to do this and you're going to set that precedent you're going to start bringing things up from people's past everybody should be able to do it i agree everybody should do it on this type of show it might be a hot thumpster fire that gets a little too dark like the valley but at least everybody's on level

playing field okay right now it's just annoying and it just seems like you guys are ganging up on katy because her 17 18 19 year old daughter caught your nine year old son saying that you don't like heather and heather's mean yeah that's all it is right now yes you're holding katie accountable and yes again katy did say you know she's talking to bloggers there's things that were coming out fine just hold her accountable for that yes it is it is very very hypocritical, but you can hold her accountable for it because you got the information that she was talking to a blogger. Fine. That's cool. See where that goes and move on. It would still be a boring storyline, but like, at least that would make sense. Exactly. Like, if I can put it

together in my brain, I can roll with the punches. If I can't make sense of it, I get mad. Stupid. Let's get to Heather and Terry who bought this Beverly Hills house, gutted the Beverly Hills house, $8 million over budget at the Beverly Hills House, they're going to now sell the Beverly Hills House. I don't mind this scene. I like the wealth of it all. Yeah. Like lines like, you know, we'll just do the floor. It's no, it's nothing. He's like, it's 45 grand. She's like, yeah, I know, like, whatever. I'm like, okay. Pretty much what we saw from Heather last year, too. She had the penthouse and they were unpacking and doing this, talking about how expensive everything was. Perfect. That's great. Great. Heather's not really part of this group anymore.

She doesn't care. She shows up to the group things. She might have a one-off here and there, which she has a one-on-one with somebody in the group talking about the paparazzi photos from Disneyland, fine, whatever. The rest of it is just her being a crazy rich. Yeah. And I'm okay with that. That's fine.

And if you move her to Beverly Hills, it's the perfect fit. Yeah, and I don't know her storyline this year because I did see Josh Flagg pop up, so I guess they're going to have somewhat of a bit of a crossover with another Bravo show just to sell the house, I would imagine, then maybe buy a new one. So, fine, cool, spend your money.

We like that. We like that. place for her to be is spending money. We like to watch it. But we get to Emily with her kids and we find out that Luke is a picky eater and not just like he's not trying things, but he actually has, it's called Arvid, which I'd never heard of. But it's like he doesn't realize that he's hungry and then he doesn't actually like food and smells bother him. It's a sensory issue. And so they're concerned he may be on the spectrum. They're trying to figure that up. That's sad, obviously. And I can I can definitely sympathize of what she's going through here.

Now, if I wanted to be this guy, which I don't want to be, but you're up in arms about your kids getting brought up on the show, and yet you're talking about your kid's potential. Oh, I thought you were going to say that she was eventually going to blame Katie for all of this. I mean, she might do that too. She might do that. But no, I just think it's interesting. And obviously it's different because she's their mother.

And if she chooses to do that, that's her right to do that. I just think it's interesting that we're trying to leave the kids out of it. and the first thing you do this season to set up your storyline is talk about your kids. Yeah. Very interesting. Anyway, Tamara is at her therapist. I knew we were going to see this. She got ahead of the damage control.

I also not at all. I think she made it infinitely worse because in this scene, the therapist is bringing up the fact that your sensory whatever is out of control. Mm-hmm. Alluding to the fact that you may be on the spectrum, but we have to run the tests for us to be able to diagnose you. If we flash back, she had one therapy session and said on her podcast that she's autistic. She went home and went on her podcast. Yes.

From the therapy session. Correct. Unbelievable. She immediately just discredited everything. Obviously, it was already discredited. But what's the rule of thumb that we go by? a therapist that shows up on Bravo that's willing to do a session on camera bad therapist bad therapist what is this this woman's a psychotherapist i don't know what that means she seemed like a bad therapist she just all she did was give her like excuses to correct her behavior yeah it was just insane and this was just tamra trying to control it trying to put the genie back in the bottle and say oh that was really bad when i put that out there everybody started being mean to me rightfully so that's kind of what is me Or the fake autism.

So she tries to spin it a little bit by saying she took some responsibility. I shouldn't have gone back and did that right away. I was just in shock and all this and that and whatever. You ran to your podcast to tell everybody that listens to you and all the Bravo people that listen just for storylines that you're on the spectrum. Yep. It's insanity. It's fucking ridiculous. You expect that anybody's going to give you sympathy at this point.

But she's still trying to get it. Oh, yeah. Because that's Tamara. And I know our buddy Ryan's listening to this. probably banging his head against his phone, but there's no excuse here. You can't defend this kind of behavior. And it just shows, whilst in therapy, that's the best part of this whole thing. It just shows how little she has changed, if at all.

Because Sidney comes up, her daughter, who they are estranged, they haven't talked, she doesn't talk to her mom. The way that she voices it, Sidney never gave me a chance. Oh, it's Sidney's fault. Okay, cool. And why didn't she give you a chance? Because she did. And she let you back into her life.

I believe it was her graduation. Don't quote me on it. Invited Tamara to go there. Tamara went. And Sidney's thing, I don't want to be on camera. I don't want to be on your socials. I just want to be part of your life. That's it.

The first chance Tamara got, she took a fucking picture with her and posted it on her social media. And they haven't really talked since. So whose fault is that? Not Sidney's. It's certainly not. not Sidney's when she made her boundaries clear and you overstepped them again and now you're in a therapy session. People have thought at fault now.

The therapist. Yeah. Like the therapist allowing for this to go on and you blamed your daughter. She never gave me a chance. Shut up. You don't deserve a chance. She gave you a chance. Yes.

And you betrayed her trust right away. Yep. Because she can see through you that you're just going to use that to further your own weird narrative of what's going on in your life. And you're still talking about. about her on TV, even though she keeps telling you not to. So, yeah, that's the problem. All that tells me is you do not want to have a relationship with your daughter.

No, you care about the show. Rather do this and try to get sympathy, which, by the way, you've been doing for years, and no one's giving it to you. Because you don't deserve it when you treat everybody the same way that you say don't treat me like that. That's hypocrisy. Damn it. So let's get to my favorite couple on Bravo right now.

Jen and Ryan, I did have to write down sick vest, bro. Tough. That's tough luck. He just doesn't dress well. He dresses horribly. It would be fun of both of us. We're big Ryan fans this whole time, though. I'm more of a Ryan fan than I ever thought I would be.

I'll give you that. It's unbelievable. I'm not. He tracks one or two jokes about the gambling thing. I'm so on his team. I don't know if he can. That is one of those things where I know that that's still an ongoing thing. He had like, he got a deal, right?

He made a deal and he shared some information. Yeah, so he snitched and he's not free. which you know whatever i don't care but god if he makes a joke about it i don't know if he's going to show hey joke or somebody does i would i man it would definitely bring him up another notch in my book i'll give you that especially if he bow that would negate for me the sex and naked jokes i'm so far over those i'm not only because in this first scene the first thing he does is make a bikini joke it's like okay then jenn kind of doubles down by going to a confessional saying that he wishes that I was just naked.

The closest I can be to nude is a relationship, you know? Love is love. I'm not hating on these two. They're weirdly my favorite people on the show. They're definitely my favorite people on the show. That's not a tough thing to do, but it's really not. Maybe that's all it is, is that everyone else on this show, aside from Katie, for the most part, Shannon a little bit, Heather here, really just Gina and Heather are deplorable people. Yeah.

And I just do not. Gina and Emily. Gina and Emily. What are I? Oh, I had there. Yeah. Gene and Emily are deplorable people, and I don't like them at all. Yeah.

So when we go somewhere that's even remotely kind of nice and normal, like, wow, I love you guys so much. It's incredible. It definitely helps them in the long run, but they're doing a Cabo wedding with tons of Malibu rum. I know that that's Jen's favorite. That's definitely Ryan's favorite, too. I think they both love it. I think he's a big Malibu rum guy, and that really tracks. Malibu rum on the rocks.

Oh, wild. That's so gross. I was a raging alcohol I know but it's like alcohol it's like rubbing alcohol inside of some sort of like coconut sunscreen yeah that's exactly

that's a really good way to put it actually like bottom shelf vodka mixed with coconut milk sunbum yeah and a squirt of sunscreen yeah I can taste it right now yeah I can too I don't like it bad

I'll do a taste test wait a minute hey now they discuss whether not Tamara's invited and obviously she's not as of right now. I hope that that stays that way. It should. It definitely

should because of everything that she was saying, like it put the kids custody in jeopardy because now you have Jen's ex calling and saying, I can't have my kids in an unsafe place because she was talking about Ryan and the FBI raiding his house and then pulling that back on the fakesest fucking

Instagram story I've ever seen with Eddie next to her and they're trying to act like they actually like each other even though we saw very clearly last year that Eddie's fucking miserable And they remember that? Isn't there cheating allegations that pop up this season at some point? God, I hope so.

I think there is. I think there's Eddie cheating allegations, which we already know how that's going to go on Tamara's ends. But if that gets any steam, that's going to be very fun. That would be interesting. Here's the thing. And I want to make this very clear, even with somebody like Tamara, like I'm not rooting for her marriage to fail. Okay. I don't think that that's a nice thing to do, regardless how you feel about people.

I know I see you and I know what you're not rooting for it, but. I mean, I wouldn't be displeased if it happened. I would be as neutral as I could because that's still, that's still something that's a bridge too far for me. That's all. I don't want to be that guy. I just, I think that Tamara has this air about her since she came back to the show that she

thinks she's untouchable. That's what I get. So I need some semblance of, hey, we're going after you and you actually do have to squirm. But I think that happens because in two weeks from this episode in real life or somewhere maybe the first month she quote unquote quits the show so we have that to look forward i know it's before they go to amsterdam i think so we'll have to see how that goes

nice going to be interesting to watch but i love that jen is being more forthcoming we heard her talk about these things uh last year but they weren't just offered up she was more irritated it kind of came out in a moment but now she's talking to ryan and she's like you know it's just interest or she's in a confessional talking about how tamar feels about ryan she's like she would go in front of him and take her shirt off at the gym and be like what do i have to do to get this guy's attention and we heard about the text last year when she was at ryan's house and she texted jen saying i'm in hot gym guy's house should i go up and take one for the team so all this sounds like is ryan didn't pick you very interesting behavior from a married woman

wouldn't you think that's pretty strange remotely liked eddie i'd be praying on their downfall I don't like Eddie either. Eddie's a dick, too. Yeah, he's a loser, so it's, it's tough, you know. Two terrible people. They deserve each other. Sure. But unfortunately, they have to be on the screen, so we have to watch them.

If I see them in matching leather jackets again, I'm going to lose my shit. Oh, God. Do you want to do that again? Get on the hog and go out to a, uh, we go to a cool little, like, highway dive bar to get our food. We go to a highway dive bar to talk shit about Shannon's DUI while we drink before we get back on our motorcycle. Motorcycle, yeah. That makes sense. That makes zero sense.

But I do want to say, I think Ryan's doing his homework. I don't know if he was under house arrest or what was going on, but I think he watched a lot of OC. He definitely did. Trying to figure it out. He brings up the fact that, you know, therapy is not going to work. If the baptism 10 years ago didn't work, how is this going to work? But what I will give him, we've had a lot of scripted husband moments. The most iconic, of course, being Ken from Vanderpump.

Did you say Raquel in a tub with, wait, the hot tub with Sandoval? Usually these lines are delivered poorly. Yeah. I don't think that Jen told him to say this. I don't think she did either. I think this is him. I think we're going to see Ryan be very shady. I mean, he already did the C&D leaving it on the doorstep and taking a picture and posting it.

Now we have him calling out a moment from 10 years prior. Mm-hmm. Maybe you have to give this man is orange. He's getting some momentum. I have to give this guy an orange. I don't know. Are we Ryan fans now? We are.

Oh, don't tell me what I am. We're Ryan Stan's. Look, Stan. Let's talk Heather and Emily because they go to dinner and Tamara arrives a little bit later. But the first thing we bring up is Katie because Katie and Tamer went to dinner and at the Quiet Woman, which is a fun call back. It's an iconic place to go if you're on the OCCast. But I guess that Katie brought up allegation. allegations or she accused Tamara of having burner accounts and Katie reached out to a blogger

according to Tamara about these accounts got verification on it and Katie is arguing that they reached out to her now here's where Katie takes a few dings it doesn't really matter yeah like if they're reaching out to you the smart thing to do is not talk to them the smart thing to do is be like okay thanks for the info and put it in your pocket and then if something breaks down in like a month or two, then he could pull it out and be like, oh, yeah, well, I heard you're running a bunch of burner accounts, but you do too much due diligence early on and you're not clean about it. Yeah.

So it comes back to bite you in the ass. And here's the thing with Bravo bloggers, if this was any credible news source, like USA Today, maybe, we'll throw that one out there. They're not going to give up their source. So if you're a Bravo blogger and you want to keep your sources, why are you letting Tamara know, or are you not letting Tamara know and she's making this up? That's the other part.

I kind of think that might be going on right now where we've seen Katie now in this episode alone three different times talk about how that's not how that went out. I'll bring up the messages, but then she doesn't do herself any services because she doesn't find the messages or she refuses to do it

and puts her phone away, whatever it is. So there's definitely something there that she doesn't want the other women to see and she is talking to the people, but it's probably not going down exactly how they're saying it is. No, definitely not. But they do know that they have her caught talking to bloggers.

Yes. So she's not, I doubt that she's on the phone with them. I doubt that there's calls going out or anything like that. It's probably just an exchange of messages that she doesn't really want them to see. Probably not. That's probably all it is. And they've got her cornered at this point. So Tamara knows that she can do that. And by the way,

Tamara a thousand percent has burner accounts. Without a doubt. I'd be surprised if most people on Bravo don't have burner accounts. At least one. At least look around. and see things going on timer i would be surprised if she had less than five just circulating at any point in time i would say five is probably a good over under because i just don't buy that she's not trying to manipulate behind the scenes because we hear her do it on her podcast we don't hear it we don't listen to it but it comes out on instagram frequently of her making some bold claim or

her talking shit about somebody or her saying that she's autistic she does the damage to herself and And then when people hold her feet to the fire, she plays victim and starts crying and acting like, why is everyone hate me? Why is everyone against me? Then she makes a video on Instagram of her crying while her face is all fucked up because she got that crazy chemical peel or whatever happened there. Yeah. It's just too much.

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It's full of real flavors you'll keep coming back for. made just for you at Starbucks. But there is an accusation against Jen, and I forget who brought it up, but apparently Jen might have said that Katie is a con artist. Yeah, Jen said it to Gina, and Gina brought it up.

Yeah, Gina at this dinner? No, but she told Emily. Okay, there you go. Yeah, so she had told Emily and Emily was telling Heather at this point. Heather is now sitting back like, see, I told you something's going on with Katie. I hate that.

I hate it, but I also am fine with it because she's doing it in the confessional. Sure. if she and this is just kind of goes to where heather's status is on the show if she cared about her job on the show she probably bring it up at the dinner and say something like i told you guys not to trust katie this is what i did all last year and create some more drama instead she's like yeah i'm just going to go to my confessional and just talk about it i don't really care that much she's just checked out from these types of situations but i don't really think that jenn told gina that she's a con artist and if it did come up it was not in an inflammatory way like she probably said it in jest or if she was eluding to something and Gina finished her sentence for her, oh, you think she's a con artist? And Jen was like, oh, sure. I don't know what happened. I find it hard to believe because we've

had a lot of moments with Jen. She's honest. She's on the up and up. If she gets into some shit, she always cops to it. So I don't believe that she's out there talking shit about Katie, especially when you see her explain it to Katie, because I was like, I wonder how this is going to go down. She references the fact

that Gina tells her, you called her a con artist. And Jen's like, I did? That's a really mean thing to say. So the fact that she said that to Katie, even if she did say it. She's not anti-Kady. I just love that response, too, because that's, that is Jen in a nutshell. And we've said this before, or you just said it right now, she'll cop to really anything that she says. She'll cop to anything that she does. She's getting a little bit more confidence with that. And we've seen it over the last two years where she'll start saying things. Somebody will bring something up. Now she stands behind her words and then she'll double

and triple down. In the past, it was like, well, you know, I said this at this point. And it was just how I was feeling or whatever. Now she stands by it. To, see her in this moment, like you said, we would see her cop to this if it was brought up. Yeah. She didn't really cop to it, but she still apologized, essentially. Yeah. She's like, that's really mean of me to do. I'm sorry.

If I did that. I don't know. You could easily just say, I never said that. But instead, she's like, maybe I did say that. And if I did, that's really mean to me to me. I need to look inward. That's why we love that. That's a great thing for her to do.

And it ends, the scene ends with Tamara, acknowledging she's not going to be invited to the wedding, nor should you be. But then we get Katie going. going to lunch with Gina. Katie and Gina set up a coffee date because Katie and Gina wanted to talk things out and squash them. Right? Sure. It's early

in the season. Let's get them together so we can move on from shit that we had to deal with all last season and move forward. Or bear with me here. We could ambush Katie and bring Emily along and have the terrible two in

Emily and Gina riling each other up the whole time, ganging up on Katie. Yeah. Yay. This is what I want to see. It was a brutal scene. It was not fun at all. And we didn't really get any more information out of this.

No, it's the same shit we did last year. It's the exact same thing we did last year. And Katie's not in a position of power where she can talk to both of them because she knows as soon as she starts talking to Emily, Tweedledee is going to jump in and start going after her. So it's just not worth it to do this because she doesn't have anybody on her side. If it was a fair match and Jen was along for the ride, maybe you would play a out a little differently. Instead, it's, there's apologies thrown out, which she already

apologized for at the reunion. She doesn't need to apologize again, but instead she's going to do it again. There's other things popping out, and then her just kind of reflecting a little bit. And it's really just a gang up. Yeah. For what? This is the first gang up. There's another gang up later. I don't like gang ups. They're never fun. And I hate that Gina is like introing the conversation for Emily. Like, she feels really this. Then let her say it. Why are you speaking on Because Emily told her in the car right over. You got to start talking. Don't.

Like, fucking grow up. Yeah. Like, if you're going to do this and carry this over to another season, like, at least have the balls to say something. Just makes both of them look bad. Because they're losers. It makes Gina look bad because she's a mouthpiece and she's willingly being a mouthpiece.

And it makes Emily look bad because she looks like a pussy. Yeah. Like, go after her. If you have an issue with Katie, address it directly to Katie. If you're going to come along for the ride, maybe you tell Gina to sit it out. Maybe you walk in alone. That's okay. I'm all right with that being an ambush.

Sure. If you walk in and you're like, hey, I wanted to catch you off guard so that you couldn't prep anything. Here we go. Let's talk about this. I'm fine with that. We don't need Gina there at all. The only thing that Gina did that was somewhat worthwhile was towards the end of the conversation when she says, well, you know, maybe you could take that back a little bit. Maybe you shouldn't have done that at the reunion. You shouldn't have dug into her past. And then you can see Emily like kind of look back like, what the fuck are you doing? I thought we were gang it up. That's a valid point though. It's the only valid point that she's made. Because Katie says what we thought, She's like, I thought we moved on. We all talk shit. And she's like, yeah, but not to the bloggers. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is why this storyline gets so old, so fast. One, because we're talking about bloggers, too, most of you, if not all of you, have talked to the bloggers. So what are we doing here?

Tamara talks to them daily. All of you are guilty in this. Heather sets up paparazzi photos. And you will never convince me that the Disneyland photos were not staged. They're ridiculous. and they were in the midst of cheating rumors from Terry. They're also really funny. They're hilarious.

They're incredibly funny, and I would have so much, even still, I would give Heather that. If she finally cops to it, if this is her last season, and that's how she wants to go out, that would be really funny. It would be great. And I would admire that. That would be great. But from a blogger slash podcaster standpoint in this space, we don't want this. Not at all. If somebody came to us and gave us information, and it was an actual housewife, or it was,

a castmate of one of the shows and we use that but we didn't say who it was whatever which we've never done before because we don't really give a shit but if we had done it and it became a whole thing we wouldn't be sitting here like oh my god can you can you believe it we're on tv no we're talking about us like it would be embarrassing i would have anxiety yeah i would have anxiety and it would be embarrassing yeah i don't want any part of that we we talk about that frequently we don't like when bloggers get involved we talked about salt lake and a certain podcaster that really really wanted his 15 minutes of fame that blew up in his face and that's why you're not

supposed to do that. That's why we don't dip a toe in that. It sounds horrible, but Katie's response is, look, I should have ignored her. That's not an excuse, Katie. It's not an excuse. Emily, who just can't keep her composure in public

places, screams, I didn't retaliate this fuck. And I tell you, dude, I haven't done a notebook toss in a while. This line made me irate. Like, how dumb are you? She says, The timeline is so stupid. It makes no fucking sense.

And her line back is, I didn't retaliate by bringing kids into it. I have boundaries, which you don't. Are you fucking kidding me? You dug into her past and brought up losing custody of her children at a reunion. So she clapped back and sent her daughter to a podcast. That's how it goes. And she had officially said, I wish, and I think this was on another podcast that Katie was talking about, that she didn't know that Kylie was going to do it

but you know what are you going to do she's 19 years old she's going to be able to do what she wants to do I wouldn't have advisor to do that whether that's true I don't really care to be honest I don't give a shit I don't give a shit and if you want to look at it how you just kind of portrayed it that she did send her daughter to go do that podcast to get back at Emily for what she did at the reunion

that's fair that's house wifey that's house wafery and also Emily you can say Katie quote unquote through the first stone because Kylie came back and told Katie that her kids don't really like Heather and then Katie divulge the information fine whatever I don't really care

you threw a boulder yeah you shot a gun yes that's what you did at the reunion that's not comparable no and there's no responsibility taken by Emily zero there's no accountability there wasn't any at the reunion

and now it's gotten worse it's even worse like to just completely ignore all of that and say that you brought kids into it before anything like it's crazy I think I know what the root if it is. I genuinely think she's just an unhappy person. Emily?

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't think that she's a happy person. I think that she projects because she doesn't like her life. Yeah. That's the vibe I get for her to not be, and I used to like Emily, for her to not be able to look at this situation and go,

oh, shit, I'm at fault too. Hey, why don't we high five this one out and we'll move on? You know? Yeah, I mean, thoughts should go through your brain while you're doing research on another woman's custody from years ago, talking about CPS, like. And you're, like, maybe you want to go do some research and then you find that and you're like, well, I can't use that. I could definitely shouldn't this up.

I have morals. I have boundaries, as you say. Yeah. Like, you didn't, that thought didn't go through your mind at all? No, it didn't. And even in that moment, Gina is the one that coerces an apology out of Emily. And it's a half-assed apology. I didn't fucking believe it. And I wrote down here also, because Gina just keeps going on her behalf.

Like, Gina's just a leech. Yeah. Like, she just latches on to somebody on the show and tries to make a name for herself. And ever since last season, it's that scene from the coffee house when she asked Jen to sit down about the rent. But her rent, yeah. Ever since then, she has this false confidence that is just irritating. Yeah. And, like, she feels like she controls the narrative.

It's like, you don't. Emily got you to speak on her behalf. The one thing you tried to do is get an apology out of her. And Emily, like, Gaffod and barely. apologized. And then when they're leaving, you give Katie a hug like you're her friend, like you're really like pulling her in, rubbing her back. All you do

is talk shit about this woman, who you brought into the group. And let's not forget, this all started with the paparazzi nonsense in which Gina told Katie to bring it up. And yet that fact is just out the fucking window when it comes to Gina

doesn't remember that, fortunately for her, I guess. Gina told her to bring it up And I think the way that she initially spun it was if you're going to be talking about this, you need to talk about it with Heather directly. That wasn't the vibe. Who then got cucked by Tamara, which we admitted was a pretty good move by Tamara because it was taking so long for Katie to finally go over and talk to Heather about it. But whatever, it didn't need to be brought up in the first place. I just, yeah, I don't know.

With Gina, it's so tough to watch because you know in a heartbeat any of these women that she holds close and thinks are her friends. we'll just completely ditch her in a second. Oh, yeah. By the end of the season, I guarantee you Emily ditches Gina at least two or three times. Probably. She'll always come back. Without a doubt, because she's a leech. And Emily stiff arms, Katie, when she goes for a hug.

Now, I'm good. I'm good. All right, dude. Loser. Sick, bro. You look, you look awesome. So. Standing up for your children.

Standing up for your kids after you dragged Katie and her kids. Okay, cool. Glad we're on the same page. Let's get to Shannon and her assistant. They invited Tamara to the golden door, not to heal the friendship, but to heal herself, you know? And then we get a sob story from Tamara in the confessional saying, I miss my friendship with Shannon sometimes. Well, you fucking ruined it. Okay. So fuck off. I need clarity, though. Because in that same confessional, Tamara's like, Shannon betrayed me in the worst way. How can you get close to someone if they're just going to turn on you? what what ryan you could tell me without me sitting there watching if you had told me that

shannon said it i'd be like oh she's talking about timer that makes sense yep that sounds right yep the other way around makes no sense zero no this is why people don't like you Tamara it's not and like ryan stoneman you're going to get honest i don't i don't understand tamara stands i don't get it I don't know why. Yeah. It doesn't track for me. But everyone arrives at the golden door, and we get an update on Teddy. That's going to be something going on this season, which is going to be sad.

And that at this moment, she's in the ICU with a lot of brain tumors, which is super-duper sad. I do believe she's doing better now. I think she's doing better, yeah. But at this moment, it's incredibly sad for Teddy. Yes, absolutely. And Teddy alone. It's very sad for Teddy. And Shannon has grown, and we've watched her grow.

We've had the privilege of seeing her in the off season at the Love Hotel, watching her journey with Earl. I'm sad. I'm sad. We're not going to get an Earl of the Pearl signing on this show. I mean, I am just for a comedic value. Just for like one or two moments. Just want to see him like try to navigate. I don't want them to date.

No, I don't either. Not at all. I just more mean watching him try to navigate a housewife show would be very entertaining. It would have just opened Shannon up to more ridicule. from, you know, the Emily and the Tamers of the world. I agree. I agree. And further proof that Gina's a loser and sucks.

Gina went to bat for Shannon how many times last year because Gina is also sober from alcohol. So she spoke up for Shannon and says that she's staying there next week again. Moving in next week, $13,000 a week. Gina's confessional. There's not even alcohol here. What? What's going on? Wait, what's happening?

I have no idea. I can't really put my finger on it. It's so weird. I don't like it, though. I don't either. I think it's stupid. And then Katie's coming to this thing, and all of the women are standing there just talking shit, ready to ambush her.

So I'm like, okay, great. We have a scene now where it's like five against one. That's not cool. Two against one wasn't good enough. Yeah, so let's get everybody involved, and we're going to gang up on her. It's so stupid. But they all get together, and we're doing Tyco drumming, and yoga, but like a Tai Chi kind of yoga it looked like.

And group one is Katie, Emily, and Jen. Group two, Gina, Heather, and Tamara. Nothing really goes on here. No, nothing at all. They don't talk about it. No. Except for S&M in the Tai Chi area. Yeah, well, a little bit of that, of course.

And Tamara makes the line, and this is why she's insufferable. What's Jen even mad at? Because I said, oh, the FBI went to a site. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly why. Because that jeopardized custody of her children. Yep.

You idiot. Mm-hmm. But they all get together for lunch. And to her credit, Katie tries to get ahead of things. And she says, hey, everybody, I'm hosting a lunch. We're doing a hot pot, which fuck yeah, hot pot's are the best. Love a hot pot. Love a good hot pot.

She's hosting a hot pot. I haven't gotten to know anybody. And I feel like you guys haven't gotten to know me. So I want everyone to come to this thing and, you know, go from there. And Gina's like, so an olive branch. Shut up. Let a talk. Yeah.

You're not like, but here's my thing. I know I've been mean about Gina this episode. Why is she the spokesperson now? I don't know. She's got too much confidence. I don't like it. Yeah. I don't think she's a good housewife at all.

I just don't think she brings anything to the table except for that. And then she brings really sad moments when nobody likes her. Yeah. There's no in between. And she needs to find it in between in there that makes sense for the show. And she's never been able to. Just like hang out. She's just a really, really bad housewife.

I really don't understand it. That's the best way. I will, like, criticize a little bit of Katie saying, I feel like you guys didn't get to know me. So you had a whole season and you were just on the fences the whole time. Maybe just, like, say, I want to clear the air at this lunch. Everybody can come. We can all sit around. It's a good Asian tradition.

I would love for you guys to get to know me a little bit better. Maybe understand where I'm coming from. But also, we can just use this opportunity to try to squash some beefs. Just say that. At least then we'll understand where you're coming from. And then when people like Emily or Tamara, or whoever don't decide to go, then you could say, well, look,

I give them the opportunity to come over. It's, yeah, it's not really on my turf. I don't think it's at her house or anything. I think she's going to a restaurant. But I offered an olive branch, as Gina so eloquently says. Thanks. They didn't want it. So what do I care?

Move on with your life. They decline your invitation. Then you move on. Just like Emily declined your hug. Move on. Yes. There's no reason to be friends with these women. They suck.

I know. And that's kind of the hard part. I understand where she's coming from in, she has to film with all of these. women and she doesn't want to be just hanging out with Jen for the entire season. But thank God Gina lays it all out for us. I wouldn't know what the fuck's going on. She's like, the problem is you're trying to hurt all of us. Heather jumps in and says, stop with the bloggers. Then you stop with the paparazzi. This all came about because you took

fake pictures. Yep. Okay? And like, yes, we agreed. Katie, stop. It's only going to shoot your, like, in the foot when you do this. Like, it's not. a great look so knock it off for sure but the irony of this group saying that still it's just like laughable and then jen speaks up for katie thank god and she's like you know i actually took the time i took the time and i really like her and that's when katy brings up the con artist thing and she's like or they were driving over and she brought it up and she was like you know she told me i said that if i did like wow that's really not nice of me but that really doesn't add up like and everything going on with Katie. And this is the best line. This is why Jen's great. She's like,

none of this is that deep. Yeah. And yet she is held to such a different standard of like doing the most horrible thing ever. But if you look at what she did, she said that Heather faked pictures, that everybody's saying that. And she said that Emily's kids said they don't like Heather. That's it. Yeah. Not that. that deep. We've seen horrible things like this is where awareness needs to come in. There's a lot of women on this cast that have been on the show

for a long time. You know what plays with the audience and what doesn't play with the audience. And I know it gets a little murky with shows like O.C. and Beverly Hills because people watch that regardless. But at some point you have to look online. You guys are perpetually online talking to other people, talking to the bloggers.

Talking about how people talk about things. Everybody gets fed up with this bullshit because it's just not that deep and there's not enough going on. Yeah, there's other things that we're going to get into this season with Shannon and Tamara, Jen and Tamara, fine. Heather's going to be checked out. If this is what Gina and Emily are going to do and this is what you're going to hold Katie to,

Katie's never going to be able to get into the group if you're holding her at the golden door by doing this. Yep. So it's just going to be really annoying to us, the viewer, and it's not going to make for a good show. So I hope that at some point, and I don't think it will, but I hope that at some point, somebody gets logic embedded in their, brain at some point and says, hey, this isn't going to work.

People aren't going to fucking like this. So stop, just let it lie and move on. Katie's going to have to find a way to navigate this or else she's just going to be toast. If she goes through this the whole season, there's just no chance that she can come back. And I hope that she's able to make some alliances. Obviously, I don't think she's going to be cool with the entire group. I know Heather's going to turn her nose up at her continually. But I do hope she's able to find some other friends in the group.

So she does stick around because when she's not getting ganged up on, when we're not talking about bloggers and all that. I enjoy her. I think that she brings a lot to the screen. So I would like to see her untethered so that she can go out and prove whether or not she is a good housewife. But we can't get there because we have all these hurdles to jump through. And then Emily blames Katie. She's like, I had to hire an attorney, an expensive attorney, to sue my nanny and send a cease and desist. It's just no way that an attorney is that expensive to go after a nanny. Why would you waste the money? It's such a waste of money. like that's what did you have this nanny sign in nda probably not probably not so what are you going to do defamation and what was it something of character

like smear but you're blaming her because you hired an expensive attorney to do something just to like here's let me lay it out like black and white you hired an attorney to go after the nanny that leaked the information of your kids talking shit about heather so that you can stay in heather's good graces pretty much how embarrassing it is embarrassing it's embarrassing it's brutal tough to watch at least shannon spoke up she's like this feels like a gang up can we not do this shit please and then heather jumps in she's like we agreed no more digging and you did it with tamara and the troll accounts like tamara's burners and this is where katie gets in trouble she's like well she'd DM me first i never called her we do get a voicemail of and this is the hard part with bloggers is like i don't know who to believe we get a voicemail from tamera and it's like a scene with her and the voicemail is saying that katie had reached out to her and then she called Hamra.

I can't say this enough, and we're probably aren't to say it a lot this season. If you're on our side of the street, if you're a content creator, if you're a blogger, if you run a fucking fun Instagram account, stay out of it. Stay the fuck out of it. It's not entertaining. It's not that cool

to be on the phone with Tamara talking about somebody else talking to you. No. And it's also incredibly hypocritical that Tamara has a voice memo from a blogger. So she reached out to the blogger to dig up shit on Katie talking to the blogger. That's

fine, right? Because we're clear in names here. That's, as long as you do it with good intentions, you can talk to all the bloggers you want. That's cool by us. It's stupid and it's boring. That's the thing. It's just boring. They're like, well then prove it. Pull out your phone. This one looked bad

because I don't, like, wait, let's try this. Put your phone on airplane mode. Yeah. I go on Instagram and try to pull up your DMs. I have to close it out of Instagram, let's say. Probably still on Wi-Fi. Yeah, I mean, nothing new loads, but I can probably see the DMs. Can you search back?

Yeah, let's just go. Oh, no, you can only go back to like whatever loads. Okay. So you can't go back for me. It's like longer than two weeks. All right. Well, that actually, I thought you would be able to. So that's.

I thought you would still be able to. I closed out of Instagram, went back. This is really good journal. Yeah, we're digging deep. No dig it. No diggedy. But, yeah, so closed out on Instagram, airplane mode, go back in Instagram. You can see the names.

You can see some things, but only a couple of weeks ago. Okay. Won't be able to load older messages. Well, that's older, she wouldn't be able to see it. And Shannon does say, I stayed here for a week. Uh-huh. I didn't have any service the entire time. So.

Back off of airplane mode. Yeah, you go ahead. But that is to. me enough evidence to wait until she has some service. And just because another person has service does not mean the whole table does. Yeah. And Gina, why are you talking? Why are you laying? Like, we all got to the same conclusion. If you wanted to clear it up, you just pull it out and out. Yeah. She just kept saying that. It's like, and I imagine, you know, the trick of editing that Katie probably did pull her phone out and try to do what I do.

just did. But it didn't work. So they were like, well, we don't need to keep this in here because then we can just have Gina yelling, hey, just do it. If I was, if I was innocent, I couldn't get my phone out fast enough. Shut up. Cool, man. Shut up. She just said that she doesn't have service and Shannon just corroborated that. Why do you care enough? It's just a way for Gina to talk, which, you know, that's what she does. Let's get to some questions. But do you see, hold on, before we do, like, this is why in the beginning, I'm like, this season could be a two years ago season? Well, all it would prove is that last season was an anomaly.

Okay. That's really all it would because we were calling for everyone to get fired. I know, after two years ago. Last year, we're like, wow, that was enjoyable. I think we might be right back to that. So from Sal Bryant, has Tamara ever cried real tears over her fake crying already? One episode in. No, she hasn't.

Didn't agree more, and she has not, you know? From Petravan, didn't O.C's last season? season just end feels like it that's what i said yeah i'm glad i'm not alone you're not alone uh from katrina there's two a's in there i wasn't just i got it i figured uh is emily a huge hypocrite and also therefore a bad lawyer yes and yes all of the above and just not even oh that's also why she can't do anything she doesn't have a even if she at some point was an accredited lawyer she no longer has it yeah so I agree.

I don't care, though. From D. Chanon, why are we still watching them? I think their sell-by date has expired. I'm really happy with our listeners right now. This is why you guys listen to us. And I also really like the question because they said, why are we still watching them? Yeah. So you're watching along with us.

The Royal We. For now. From Michael E. Bose, not a question, but this Katie Take Town, I don't think we'll be fun to watch and I love O.C. Love you guys. To be fair, it probably is of her own doing, but still. That's a pretty good breakdown. I'll take that. Yeah. From Mama to Lil C, do you think Tamara will have a good season? That is a very interesting question because good season for Tamara means that O.C. is probably having a good season and she's usually the culprit for a lot of the things a good season that won't piss us off no no gonna piss us off a lot but she's she's a

tough not to crack we've given her plenty of credit along the way like i know we talk a lot of shit about her but we've also given her credit for big moments and like said i think we said last year like you do need tamar on the show yeah we don't like her no but i think she's an important part of this show and i honestly i don't know i have no idea after this first episode what kind of season to expect. Yeah, agreed. Last one here from Megan Hala, 18. No one likes Katie in this cast,

but I don't dislike Katie. I don't know how to feel. That's sort of... That's shooter. Yeah, that's sort of where we are. Like, I don't really like Katie, but I haven't seen enough from her because she's been playing defense

the whole time that she's been on the show. And a lot of it's of her own doing, so I don't really understand that part of it. I don't really know how to feel. It's just watching a whole scene. season we've seen this time and time again with a lot of housewife shows watching an entire season of everybody trying to take down one person sucks unless that person is of the caliber of tamra or you know put somebody else like lisa barlow even where she is that got kind of tiring

it's a terrible recipe for not success so i terrible recipe for not success you're here first i'm i'm apprehensive i think it's going to be a shit show of a season. I'm not. I think we're going to be pulling our hair out by episode five. Now, run it back to two years ago, but yep, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. That's our show. Bru's got to go. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. You want to tell him? Or you want me to tell him? No, no, no. I got this. People out there. People. Lean in. Get close. Get close. Listen. Here's the deal. We have big news. We got monumental news. We got snack.

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