Bros & Shows - The Roast of Jax Taylor (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

What's up Bros? This was one of the more frustrating episodes we've seen in awhile. As someone in recovery, Steel was beyond frustrated at this episode. Jax gets out of 'rehab' and quickly shows that he is the same person as when he went in. He rationalizes, places blame and still shows signs of anger. Janet and Jason have solidified themselves as the two most insufferable people on Bravo. This witch hunt against Danny and Nia while blindly supporting Jax is wild to watch. Quite literally the most unlikable duo on TV. Brittany gets Jax all moved out. The boys go to a welcome home thing for Jax and he further proves how little he learned during his treatment. We don't know exactly when this show took a turn for the worst, but it's honestly difficult to watch at this point. Enabling someone like Jax for viewers is gross. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is probably going to be my least favorite episode that we've ever had to cover while doing our podcast. I agree. I don't understand. You know what? I'll save it for the pod. I'll save it for the pod. good afternoon everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by the one and only shooter mcguter what's up dude i hate this show i hate it so much um i it's funny too because we so obviously steel and i are enamored with love island and we are now making sure that we're staying on track with that because that is a tall order i tried to get ahead of the game here knowing that we were going to do the Valley today.

I watched the first 20 minutes, 15 minutes, I don't know, of the Valley yesterday. And I told you as a bit that as soon as Jacks got out of rehab and I know they released the first seven minutes because that's what we do now for whatever reason. We watch half the show before. I was just going to skip through it and say, I'm not giving this person my attention. I'm not going to talk about it. I'm just going to talk about how bad of a person he is and move on with my life. I got to that dinner scene

where they all go after Danny and I actually just turned it off and if we were not covering this if this was a show and we were just watching random TV shows because we do enjoy most of these shows if I was watching it

and I got to that point I probably would have turned off my TV and never gone back to the valley it's just it's gotten that bad it's just stupid it's stupid I don't understand why Bravo is continuing to

give this guy such a platform. I don't understand what their angle and approach is or how they thought that we would receive it. But even on his watch, what happens live appearance, Bravo got so much shit for getting him on live TV. Nobody was up for it. The

call-ins and things like that, it was like problematic. And understandably so. I don't get what their angle is. I understand that Bravo is not going to shy away from shock value if they get some cheap viewers because of, something like this they're going to do it yeah but at the same time we have entered into a phase

with this in the jack stuff where most people don't want to see this shit and on the flip side you have somebody in danny who they're trying to paint as this horrible person it's the most ridiculous juxtaposition i've ever seen and i'm going to just do this right now i'm going to get it out of the way so we can just go into the show and like rush through this one because fuck this show. But Alex Baskin, Jeremiah, who are producing this show, who are in charge of this show, have no idea how to read a room. They do not know what the viewers want. I saw this bullshit article where Alex Baskin was interviewed. He's like, you know, it is dark, but this is real life. This is what we got to show. We got to show the reality of it. It's like, no. What you guys have done

is try to set up this bullshit redemption art for Jacks Taylor, as though we can't see through what's going on. And at the same time, you have pointed us towards Danny being a piece of shit, but we're watching what Jacks is doing in real time. It makes absolutely no sense to me. It shows how lost these producers are. We've watched so many good shows get taken down by bad editing, bad producing, and this is probably the best example of it. They do not know what the viewers want. And instead of reading the room, like I said, and understanding, hey, we're kind of sick of watching jacks abuse his wife and then be a piece of shit and take no accountability but they're still trying to show it as though there's supposed to be some kind of sympathy for jacks taylor

there is no sympathy no one cares he's a piece of shit listen to the comments listen to all the venues that canceled his podcast tour this guy's a piece of shit we don't want to see you try to paint him in any other way at the same time we don't want to see him period get him off the show fuck this guy fuck Alex Baskin fuck Jermaine Jeremiah that dickhead I'm so flustered

at the people in charge not just Jax like the people in charge of this show ruined this show yeah they really ruined the show and it was a promising show it was a show that had a lot of people that we like and even from episode one

season one we had a feeling that at some point Jacks's head is going to get too big for this this is his show he's going to claim it he claimed it in this episode that's not the reason why we tuned in we didn't tune in for that it got good last year it got to a point where we didn't know enough of these other people and then we found ourselves rooting for different people we were invested in different people you're taking away the people that we were invested in we looked at nia and danny and we said you guys are too nice you might want to get off this show

they're going to ruin your fucking marriage the way that these shows have been going Bravo shows have been going down the drain because they're allowing things to happen. We tune into shows like this. We tune into Housewife shows because we want to watch rich people who don't really have all of their screws tightened up in their brain go after each other in a fun way. Once it got to the point where we're taking down marriages and we're taking down people who really didn't do anything wrong, we said in Housewife shows, let's fucking stop this. We got to get away from this.

It's ruining the shows. It's ruining the allure. of what was once a great franchise i didn't think it could get but i really didn't think it could get a lot worse than that and it did it got so much worse with the valley and first point anybody's name who starts with the jay can go fuck themselves yeah jacks germane janet jason all of you your losers move on with your lives we never want to see you again andy now and i usually try to back andy up because he seems to know what's going on he seems to have a good idea of what the pulse of what we're thinking is, he went a couple of weeks ago and called this the darkest show

of reality TV. He has now changed his tune. He had Jacks on Watch What Happens Live. He even said the realist show on reality TV. No, no, no, no, no. This is not real. I don't care how you want to paint it. They're going after somebody when you've got Jack sitting right there who really has admitted his wrongs, apologized, and moved on with the people that were affected by that. You're allowing other people in the group to make their storyline all about something that has nothing to do with them,

and now they're standing up on their soapbox saying, you're so much worse than the rest of us. I don't know what the hell is going on here when you've got Jack sitting right there. I don't know what this show is turned into a fucking circus, and it's not a circus that I want to watch. It's a sad circus where we're like, hey, let's release these animals back to the,

wild and get them back home because i don't like watching this that's what we need here this is a circus in which we need to release these animals back to the wild and you move on you take dody and luke you take danny and nia you take jasmine you take zach who's a fucking star and you go put them over here keep the vpr fucking parasites away from this show yeah go create a show with them because we love them and find other people it's l a everybody wants their shot at stardom don't taint the water get these losers out of here. We don't want them on our TV screens anymore. I just can't deal with it anymore. It's just it's not fun. It's not entertaining. It's not something that I would ever want to sit down and be like, oh, boy, I'm so excited to watch the Valley. I grown when I have to

watch. It's worse than I hate watch. Yeah. We got we went through we've now talked about Beverly Hills that that terrible season, which we always said we would never talk about again. We use that as our barometer of a bad show. And it's a show that goes on too long. Beverly Hills two, three seasons ago, whatever it was was awful. And it turned into. into a boring hate watch. O.C. turned into a bad hate watch because we hated Tamara and what she was doing. But we still watched it.

That was two years ago. And we still watched it and we had to hate watch it. But even that, there was a semblance of like us kind of having fun with it because we would complain about it, but like in a jokey way. It's like tongue in the cheek kind of shit. Our fans wanted to torture us. But like it was fun. You know, we'll always have that.

This isn't that. This is not a hate watch. This is a, I cannot believe this is still on TV watch. this is a this should not be on tv watch let's jump in or we're just going to keep venting for too long obviously jacks is getting out and the minute that he starts talking i knew what was up i wish i could have fast forwarded i didn't because i have to take the i i did rewind when i went back and watched it i did actually watch it but yesterday when i started watching it i passed forward through the whole thing it's just like as somebody in

recovery watching this episode in particular really really rubbed me the wrong way it really pissed me off and it honestly it does and it belittles what people like myself have gone through to get to this point in our lives and you have this guy and i know what they're doing and this is where alex baskin and jeremiah can fuck right off because of how they're trying to paint it and what they're allowing him to say in the screen time because he's like you know i can't believe i did 30 days in there it's like you didn't do 30 days we know you didn't do 30 days so shut the fuck up there and then he keeps calling it rehab it's not a rehab that's not where you went so you don't get to say that i went through rehab you went to a mental health facility that allowed you to leave whenever you wanted

so stop trying to it's stolen valor which i never thought i would fucking say but you're trying to wear the badge of rehab and you've never fucking done it and this he has the same exact energy in this car as he did before he went in so i'm supposed to sit here and think that this man's changed when he once again like the one of the fundamental things about recovery is admitting that you have a problem and it is your job to fix that problem and you brought this shit upon yourself he goes no one ever held me accountable i'm like you're still placing blame you're out of rehab quote unquote for 30 seconds and you're still placing blame and then jessie says something that's true,

hey, the whole friend group, they're still hurting because they are. They have to get over the emotional damage that you put them through, namely your wife and child. And he goes, no one's hurting. They're parting and no one visited me.

My wife of 10 years, why, Jax? Why? Why did nobody visit you? Because you are a big piece of shit. That's why no one visited. Your whole goal of going in here was to be less of a piece of shit.

And in the first car ride out of rehab, you've proven you are still a steaming pile of shit. So fuck you. Yeah. And honestly, for the rest of this beginning scene, I say we just kind of like sum it up in a couple of sentences because fuck this, dude. Yeah. Even on Watch What Happens Live, he said that his worst mistake was not ending the marriage sooner. And I don't care what you say after that because I know that he, I didn't, I'm not going to lie. I turned the clip off immediately.

I didn't watch watch what happens live. I'm not giving him anymore every time. No. But he did say that and I know what follows that up with for Britney's sake. It's like it's not for Britney's sake. It's because you're a huge piece of shit and you're selfish. You just wanted to end the marriage earlier so that you could carry on with doing all of the things that you wanted to do, which you were probably still doing anyway.

I'm not even going to get into any of that bullshit. But him going in and seeing all of his shit just packed up in trash bags and points to himself and he goes, me, trash. It's like, yeah, you are trash. Like, you are. And I don't care. That's not petty. That is Brittany wants you out in a very quick manner.

And she's not going to put things in boxes all nice and neatly. She's going to throw it in fucking trash bags. And this isn't one of those situations where she would have put in boxes, by the way, her friends threw it in trash bags, which I'm glad. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But like, I think the fact that she would have put it in boxes speaks more volumes to what this is. Like they always say it's like an old adage.

If you come home and your girlfriend's mad at you and she's got all your shit just spewed across the lawn or in trash bags, there's a chance that you. can get back because she just did that out of anger if it's neatly folded up and put in the boxes you're fucked that's what brittany wanted to do brittany needs to move on with her life and i think she realizes that thankfully and that's why this episode was called what you got served or whatever which you know whatever good good call there you despairs that movie what a great movie god i would love let's just review that movie hey hey big turn actually welcome back to another episode of bros and shows we're going to talk about you got served the early two

thousand's classic dance movie we're also going to review as part of this uh the south park episode you got served because that was a great that was a great one too but uh just listening to him talk again like you know the house needs to go on the market a set what the fuck does this mean no woman needs a five bedroom get a three bedroom that's manageable as a woman what the fuck bro like now you're adding i mean you've always been a massagist but now like fresh at a rehab you're gonna like you clearly have learned nothing he got he got he went and got worse because and we know that he was able to leave the rehab to go take the postits off of all the cameras to go get more shoes and more clothes or whatever the fuck he was doing he stayed there and didn't

show his face to everybody else so that he could use that as i was there for 30 days i wasn't allowed around any of you guys because i wanted to work on myself he could have easily popped up whatever the fuck he wanted apparently and went to go see somebody he could have showed up when Brittany was there with Cruz just walking around the house and he could have seen his son that would have been fucking awful he could have done all of those things he didn't do it because it's self-serving he can now say i spent 30 days in there so i don't give a shit you're talking about the house that you stopped paying you don't get a say in that you're not with brittany anymore she's filing for divorce by the way she's managed this house for 30 days

whilst you've been in rehab and she's paying 11,000 more a month than what she should be paying because you're an asshole and didn't pay taxes so you can't manage this house you don't get a stay in this it's crazy it's fucking crazy he's claiming that he paid the whole mortgage i don't believe that when julian came into the pictures when i stopped paying the bills all right well then you're an insecure tiny little penis man yeah if that's going to get you to stop paying for your wife and kid that's crazy talk none of this is helping him and then Jesse says I'm having a party. It's at my house, at least.

It's a Zach party for Benji, who's finally making his debut. And Jack's like, well, I'm going. It's like, you're not invited. Do you know what fucking sucks, too, about this show? I'm just going to point these things out whenever I think of them. We have Jesse hosting a party for Zach and Zach's boyfriend. When the fuck did they become friends? We didn't see that.

We saw in the beginning that Zach was standing. up for Michelle and calling Jesse all of these names, calling him a narcissist. Now they're friends and he's hosting a party for his boyfriend to come in and finally move in with them. They're cool. We saw this last week. We see them at a cornhole thing and they're fine. When did that happen?

No, we're not going to see that. Okay, we just need to go focus more on Jacks. Like, no one gives a shit. I care so much more about the Zax of the world. Yeah, Jesse seems like a pretty big fucking asshole. But I do care about him more than I care about Jacks. He's a good person on this show. Doty and Luke, we barely see them anymore.

They're trying to get pregnant. She just gave birth at this point now where we are currently, but they're going through all of this. We've got the engagement coming up. There's so much more interesting storylines when it comes to this show. But no, we're going to focus on this bullshit. It just pisses me off. I agree.

I agree. But Zach is headed to the airport to pick up Benji and he's on the phone with Jasmine and finds out that Jacks invited himself to the party because Jesse told him about it. And he even is like, you know what? I guess we got to give them some space to show us. Okay, fine. I'm sure that's going to work out well. But then we check in with Aaron and Michelle.

And I think I have another that didn't happen moment because they're playing outside in the grass. I don't know. And she's like, Isabella said, you know, why don't we move in here? But she was referring to the grass. It's like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't want to like. I want to believe her, again, like, I think we said this last week. I don't dislike Michelle by any stretch.

She's not my favorite, but I don't dislike her. I also feel for her. She's going through a lot. She is going through a lot. Like her, I don't know if her mom is currently alive at this point. I think she may have shared. I'm not positive. I'm not sure.

I don't want to speak on it. But like anything that comes down to Jesse and Michelle and Isabella it's so messy and both of them lies so often that I don't know ever unless and I was trying to figure it out the only time that we get some little nuggets of truth is when they're talking to each other because they'll spill something and you can tell the way that the other person reacts it's like okay that part's true and when she goes into talking about how she she broached the subject with jessey about having isabella come hang out like with her mom she's probably got a couple of weeks like we just want to like have her hang out and like spend some time with her before she

moves on it's like okay that's a nice thing but jesse turned that down immediately it's like i don't know if that's true i just when she said that i was like no man i think so like there's got to be more here i just i refuse to believe that anybody is that like jacks would do that so that's you know i'm always wrong be that ice cold but i was like i don't there's got to be more to this story i don't think you just flat out and there is there is i don't i just never know with them because they're always lying they both they both lie so much i can't tell it's hard to uh to see through it but we get to i guess oh did you did you watch aaron's throwing motion i did that made me feel better about not yeah yeah yeah it's tough it's tough stick to honey

stick to honey honey stick did you see his door mat yeah it's a bee of course it is why wouldn't it be oh fuck i can't remember what it said it said something on it like where the honey honey home or so it was something weird i don't fucking know but honey hole oh oh god that means you fucking ew oh my god let's get the jacks's welcome home party at the bar hell yeah let's do that that's super fun you know what else is fun the minute that jason and danny get there jason let him know hey we're not good sick bro awesome he's such a fucking loser you know because he's we've given him a pass and saying that he was manipulated by his by his wife no he's just as but he might be worse than

he's a fucking loser he's just as bad if not worse he's a dork yeah he's such a dweeb dude he's like he's coming after my wife and he sent me like a half-assed apology text and like i just wrote down on my notes this guy's so fucking boring by the way the apology text that wasn't a apology so you can call it half-assed if you want to danny's standing on business he's saying we shouldn't have had that discussion then and there right that's what he said he's apologizing for the time and place of that discussion not apologizing for getting drunk and saying too much we've all been there i've been there sure drunk and i say shit that i shouldn't in that time and place but i still feel that way daddy said that same thing yeah i shouldn't have said it there and then but i do still feel

that way it's not a half-assed apology he still feels that way about your dumb ass wife like sorry Correct. Correct. But Jacks arrives and lets everybody know, like, I'm still going to drink. The amount of times he talked about alcohol this episode just shows me that none of this actually stuck, stuck. Because stuck, that's where my brain's at right now. Because anybody that gets fresh out of actual rehab, no matter what the substance is, like you're not going back to a substance out of the gate. That's fucking nuts. So for him to say that, I'm like, all right, none of this actually worked. And Jason questions it a little bit. a little bit. And he's like, look, I'm not going to drink today, but I am going to drink. And Jason drops it. How do you have that much smoke for Danny? But a guy that's fresh out of rehab, you're not going to double down and say, I don't know, dude, that seems like a bad idea. But you're going to have a guy that shit for Danny.

His wife was calling and texting you frantically to get him out of the house because it was getting bad again. And you show up to like, coddle him and bring him to rehab. and now you're coddling him once again again you still and this is where it doesn't make any fucking sense too because jacks goes off and he starts talking about brits which we knew was going to be an issue he gave him ammunition he's going to start talking about it as soon as he gets out of rehab he goes after danny and says it's bullshit fucking jason and jadet we're there too where's the smoke what like none of this makes any sense and also fucking weiner that brought it up it's his partner that guy like he's like he's like he's

like we're really going to do that the day the day out like before he gets out it's like who are you guys getting out of rehab and you guys are going to do that you're really going to poke the bear it's like yeah shut the fuck up dude here's the thing all right and this is what what bothered me so much it was like i wanted to rip my hair out it's like all of these things that happen in the aftermath of him getting out you know him getting served divorce papers finding out about the bar your shit in trash bags, a lot of people have this notion of rehab that you go in for 30 days and everything's fixed and you come out and life is different. Life is great. No, no. You get out and then you have to face all of the shit that you did. Correct. Rehab step one. You have to clean up your

mess when you leave. That's all part of this journey to get to where you want to be. When I got out of rehab, I moved back in with my parents at 28 years old going through a divorce. course with no job having lost my career in baseball and had to start from zero. And I had to acknowledge that I got there because of my own doing. And I had to have hard conversations with people and all these different things. You don't get out of rehab and everything's like awesome. It's actually really fucking hard. So for him to bitch and moan like and then have his buddy or whoever the fuck that guy

was, be like, you guys really going to do that? It's like, yeah, because that's the ramifications of his actions. Because of the way that you were and the way that you still are, there are consequences. for the things that you have done and the things that you have to clean up because that's your job if you want to get better. But if you want to keep playing the blame game and pointing fingers everywhere else, it just further proves that one, you didn't actually go to rehab and two, you didn't put any work in. So all these people trying to defend it, you know, Jesse, fucking Jason, this random douchebag

at the table, shut up. Not only that, and it's like, it's one thing to give a guy a pass when he's behaving like that it's another thing to them weaponize that and that's what you're doing in this conversation when it comes to danny and this again this was my final straw because if i didn't have this job i'd be done with this show right in this moment using jacks as a weapon to go after danny for danny's drinking is the most obscene thing that i've ever seen on a tv show i agree it was the worst moment of any show that we've ever covered it's the worst moment of any show that i've ever watched in my life it was so fucking deplorable like they're all snakes they're all absolute losers and if i'm danny i would

never put myself in a room with any of those people ever again and he's way nicer that i am and he can do it because he can sit down with his support person and nia and discuss it and they can get to a point where all right you know what let's just take a beat we'll just try to get around it not me i'm coming for fucking necks in that moment are you kidding me like that would be unbelievable and anybody sitting there is complicit to this. Everybody sitting at the table is complicit. You're really going to sit there and just let them go after Danny for his drinking and using Jacks as the weapon as the tool for how you're going to go about this.

It's ludicrous. Yeah, Jason, in his confessioner is like, Danny needs rehab. And you don't even know what you're apologizing for. You're blacked out. No, he wasn't. He was a little tipsy. And he got pissed off because your wife sucks and you suck. And she's a snake.

all he did was like tell the truth and for like you said to compare him to jacks is fucking banana land dude and then for jacks like for him to get out of this treatment center wherever the fuck he was this vacation that he went on and now he is the utmost expert on sobriety and recovery he's like you do have a problem dan he was like jacks you don't even like acknowledge your problems yet shut the fuck up you can't get out of you're saying that he doesn't have a drinking or substance problem he's got an anger problem so like you're already wrong so You're going to come for somebody's drinking. But if we're going to take your own words, you don't have a drinking problem.

So you shouldn't be talking on this. You don't know where you're coming from. You have an anger problem. If somebody shows too much anger, by all means, go have a conversation with them and talk about your anger problems. But you don't have a drinking problem, Jacks. What are you talking about? Dude, it's crazy. It's so, it was such a weird scene to watch.

I was so confused. I was so angry that Jason has all that energy for Danny. but he wants to suck Jack's his dick at every turn. Sick, dude. What a fucking loser. What a bitch boy. He looks so fucking soft in this show.

And I hope he watches it back and feels that way. He said that before when he had beef with Danny that he wasn't sleeping and he felt so bad. I hope he never sleeps again. I just simply hope that this is what happens. And I hope and I can hope this as much as I want that him and Janet get kicked off the show. Jacks gets kicked off the show. And then him and Janet can go start a podcast that nobody's going to listen to. And you just move on with your sad fucking lives.

Yep. And keep going after workman's comp people, you fucking dildo. Benji's party. Let's get the Benji's party. And I love Benji. I do too. I love Zach. Yeah.

Yeah. Dude, did I ever tell you about the time that I went to the cellar? Yeah, I knew it. It's too good. It's my favorite bit. But at Benji's party, obviously, Janet, Danny Nia and Jason are still all at odds, and we find out that the papers are going to be served to Jacks very, very soon. And then we find out more evidence as to why Jacks is such a giant

piece of shit. He hasn't reached out to see Cruz once. He has gotten Botox, gotten a haircut, gone to dinner with all of his friends, and not one time has he asked to see his son, although he wants to get on screen and fake cry and fake woe is me about the fact that it's so difficult to not see your son for so long the first thing you do is not go see your son and you what you go get Botox you want Brittany to come to you to show you how it works no that's not at all but janet nia sit down to hash things out and nia brings up the jasmine stuff and says what most logical people would say what you and I say what people watching the show say is they talked about this

janet they discussed it they're moving on why the fuck do you keep bringing up well i will be honest because you know i did speak negative about daniel hated that behind his back because his actions were horrible i don't know why you feel the need to keep drawing attention to it i don't know why you feel the need to not your fucking issue it's not it's jasmine's it's jasmine and melissa's issue i'm sorry that your life is so goddamn boring that you feel like you need to do this as your storyline. This is a reality TV show. You're supposed to show what you're going

through. You, Janet. Not other life's miserable and sad. You don't want to show that. Fucking boring as shit. You're a loser. Yep. And I saw the scene from next week, Nea bops or two. It's her with a, when they're sitting in the pool. And Janet's like, yeah, you know, I had a couple, I had a little

too much to drink. She goes, this early? All right. Yeah. I love that. Popper. Hit her again. Yeah. I love that shit. But this is also what happens when we get into shows like this where we genuinely are upset we just start being really mean like we're really mean to people we we've called these people like every name in the book at this point at least like what we can call them on a on a podcast without getting in trouble but um i can't help myself i truly can't help myself and i just hope for the love of god i know that doty's got a lot going on in this moment in this show but i hope that she can empower

somebody like Nia because Nia we've seen her be so nice I just want her a couple different times to just stand on business just go to teach her the ways and Doty get involved get activated get after these losers get them off your fucking show

this is your show this isn't Jackson show get these fucking dickheads off your show I agree and the way that she talks about Danny it's like why are you trying to paint this picture of a father of three about to be father of four who seems like a solid guy who made a mistake, yes, and I'm not taking away from that.

But he talked to the person that he did it to, the people involved, and they're cool with him now. So the fact that she keeps doing stuff like this, and the way she says it is so calculated, you know, it goes to a public bar and blacks out and makes women uncomfortable.

I'm like, whoa, this is such a bold statement that you're saying on TV that other people are going to watch and some people are going to believe you. And that's the problem. him and then she goes and he blacked out and he yelled at me he didn't fucking black out he didn't black out and he didn't yell at you you're talking shit and he checked you that's what happened somebody's not used to getting checked i guess because you got such a she should be everyone

that's why you're right yeah because he has my husband's too much of a bitch to ever talk back to me when i'm being an asshole so yeah i'm not used to this he doesn't have the hard conversations with me because i tell him to go sit in his corner but it's just it's crazy man and nea calls dally you're intentionally trying to paint him in a bad light and she's like i'm just bringing in the truth i'm like you're just gaslighty as fuck and miserable as shit and you're not even fun like we see a lot of people on shows that are gaslighty and they move in the shadows and they're entertaining we just did miami look at larsa pippin yep you know that's a great example of that that's a great example yeah it's the best one that you can come up with yeah this is not that

You just come off as miserable and unhappy. You're just a fucking loser. Loser. That's all it is. You're just a big, big loser. And then Janet and Jason are both like, they team up and they're just talking shit back and forth. And I wrote down because I think I figured it out. I think they're bored with each other.

I think they hate their lives. And they're like, you know what? If we talk about other people's problems, then. Then will stay more interesting. I guarantee you, all they do. is sit at home and talk about other people. Oh, yeah, without a doubt. A thousand percent.

They're just relentless. You just have nothing going on in your lives. So you just talk about other people. By the way, who have their lives together, who are progressing through. Danny and Nia having a fourth kid, being a good married couple, talking about it, moving into a new house, moving into a new house, having those discussions about, do we really want a fourth kid? Yes, let's compromise. We'll figure it out. We're going to have to get a new house.

Okay. Let's have an adult discussion about this. They're moving how every fucking happy married couple moves. And you guys are miserable watching them do that. And now you're going to take it out on them. So like grow up fucking dorks. Don't worry though, because Jacks arrives. It's going to save the day.

He walks into the house and- Talk about making women uncomfortable, by the way. Like, yeah. Right. Where is this energy for him? You guys are like that sob story he gave you when he FaceTime and you switched from an iPhone to an Android in the same scene. Yeah.

You guys are crying along with him. And at the same time, you're trying to make Danny look like a horrible, horrible human being. Make that make sense. Can't. But Jacks arrives and I like Schwartz's moment. Hey, for the record, we didn't come here together. We didn't come together.

We might live together right now, but, you know. Yeah, the timing suspect, but we didn't come together. And the first thing he's doing, no surprise here, is venting about certain things. You know, he brings up self-care, whatever. he's talking to Doty and then he brings up Cruz we know he hasn't gone to see Cruz or even ask about him yet so that's bullshit he keeps emphasizing that drinking's not an issue is to tell everybody that the booze isn't a problem that's a fucking problem and then he brings up brittany's party and Doty's like look she had a moment she had a moment for a month

yeah dude you know why because you've treated her like absolute shit and then you had to go to a treatment center in which those 30 days are for her to try to to get her shit together because of everything that you put her through and he has the fucking balls to say i hope she's spending time with cruise my guy you ditched him for 30 days to go hang out in a house that you're claiming as a rehab and the minute you got home you got botox a haircut and went out with your boys rather than go see your kid and you're going to call into question how much time she's spending with your son that you haven't seen are you fucking serious absolute scumbag. Oh it's it's it's

it's so crazy but it just shows you the guy he's the exact same as when he went in you know and nothing's changed he's i i still i do feel like he's worse i just think he's worse because now he has the self-righteous air about him he's got he's self-righteous and he also hasn't had the outlet his only outlet has been rage texting brittany rage texting anybody who is around her he hasn't been able to do anything face to face he's got energy for this and i'm not you know talking about the artificial energy some ac a e a e but But yeah. Well, we get an update from Jesse, Danny, and Nia about what's really going on with Isabella's grandmother.

And now we have both sides of it. So I imagine it's somewhere in the middle because Jesse's explanation isn't that great either. He's like, you know, I want her to spend as much time as she can with her, like spend the whole time with her. It's just more about we need to talk about death first. I'm like, well, let's not wait too long and death happen. Because you have a chip on your shoulder about this whole thing. I mean, you know, I didn't mean to be insensitive, but like, that's my, that's my thing here. It's like I, you're not wrong that a certain conversation needs to happen.

So she understands a little bit. But at the same time, the priority, yes, the priority is making sure she sees her grandmother. That's the priority here. And again, this is one of those situations where like, like I said, when it comes to those two, the truth is somewhere in the middle. but I find myself leaning towards a here's how a normal divorce couple would probably handle it I'm going to trust that you're going to have a discussion with her maybe on the way over about how it works and what goes on with this

you don't have to fucking like you're both parents you're both allowed to have a discussion with Isabella about what you think is right about this and if there's an issue later whatever but at least she has an understanding of how this works from one of her parents before she, goes to see the mother and if you want to put that on michelle like hey michel just do me a favor have a discussion with her so that she understands what's going on like i trust that you can do that

that seems sufficient she's five years old i'm sorry but like i i do get in the grand scheme of things like yes that is an important discussion to have when you want to do that but right now time is of the essence her mom is deteriorating in a rapid pace at this point she's worried that isabel is not going to get enough time with her you can't fucking squabble over this you just simply can't you guys aren't coming together over the simplest things about what isabella needs you're not going to be able to sit down with her and have the you know whatever the death equivalent of the birds and the bees is with a five year old and then finally go ahead and do this like it's just not going to work out that way so just let her go like it it doesn't really seem like an issue

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I am proud of you, you know, for going through that. And then Jacks gives the same exact speech. He's giving to everybody else, the self-righteous bullshit. it. And then Zach calls him out for the rage texts. He's like, oh, so in between, did you have like an hour break from therapy to send rage texts? And his first response is, she took my son away from me. No, you lost your son. We saw how your son approached you in your own house. He cowered away. That's a you problem, sir. Nobody took him away. Zach keeps going and starts laying out something that she did. He's like, yeah, well, your son was quote unquote taken away because you uncovered cameras

at your house on your hour break that you had. You were raised texting her the entire time. And he wants to say, well, we're moving forward. We're not talking about the text five years ago. Again, proof that you didn't go to rehab because you have to atone for the things that you've done. You don't get you're in therapy for seven hours a day. You're talking about shit from five years ago.

You're talking about shit from 40 years ago. Oh, he told everyone the same thing. Like, I talked about things I never thought I would talk about. I thought I'd take it to the grave. Oh, God. He's such a dickhead, but I love the way that Zach approached this because, again, he did start it off by saying he was proud. And this is now ball in your court, Jacks. Show us that you've changed a little bit.

Show us that there's any inkling of a possible future where you're not a complete piece of shit. No, he's just going to be all high and mighty about this. And as soon as you started up and no one else really does this and he's now had this conversation with multiple people. Zach's the only one who stood up. It was like, dude, are you fucking kidding me? We've been dealing with this. been gone for 30 days, you're rage texting your wife, you're making everybody incredibly uncomfortable.

Now we're questioning if you even went to rehab, your rehab hour break where you had your phone and you were able to watch the cameras, okay, don't say that about my rehab. It was beautiful. Yeah, I'm sure it was a fucking resort. Like great response, Zach, incredible. I'm sure it was a fucking resort is so fucking top notch, just incredible shit. And it triggers Jacks. And now it's showing you haven't changed at all, Jacks.

you're going back and forth here and you're saying that you don't even have time you know what by the way don't even come to my bar anymore like you're not you're a bar you mean brits like you mean brits would have been a fucking great response would have been great he did good enough he did good enough i don't want to nitpicks poor zach he he stood up to jacks which no one else on this cast is really doing like doty is a different type of standing up she speaks her mind but she also does care for jacks a lot in a weird way so it's not as for a long time it's just not as you know palpable but when it comes to Zach like you got no skin in the game brother go again hit him again get him he did it was great like at the camera comment his response to that was you know it's my house i don't want other men

in my house with my son's there it's like you motherfucker you were traipsing around only fans models at your house so what are you talking about yep uh anyway but that comment at the very end the comment at the very end really fucked him up though because jacks immediately starts talking about how it's his show by the way my show my show not your show it's not your show anymore actually i mean weirdly it is because bravo keeps putting you on a fucking pedestal it's not his show it's not no one's tuning in to watch you anymore we're tuning into watch the people that we do like which is zach so it is actually arguably more zach show than it is your show right now brother and i love zach's fucking ending comment not for the last 30 days it wasn't boom jacks goes into a spiral and we haven't

seen this in a while. This isn't like a rage spiral. This isn't a Brittany got under my skin and she's the only one who's able to get under my skin and now I'm going through all of this and I'm just going to fucking rage out. This was a fuck. Like, what was that? I can't respond. I don't have a

response to that. I mean, it was the perfect one to punch because when he brings up the bar and kick him out, he's like, oh, your bar that you paid for with Britney's money? Okay. And that sent him into this whole tis. about the show and all that.

It was just great. It was top-notch shade. Zach, well-done. Well done, sir. But Jackson and Jason are at Jackson's house, moving his shit out. Schwartz ends up joining as well. And he tries to get the sympathies. Like, I still haven't seen my son.

It's like, you haven't tried to see your son. He's like, I've done all she asked and I'm still being punished. No, dude. No. You caused all of these things. So you have to take accountability and you have to work through them and you have to bend the knee and apologize. It's not the other way around. You're not being punished by other people.

You're punishing yourself. It's all so frustrating to me, having gone through this process and dedicating my life to this process and then see somebody like this belittle the whole process by speaking on things he doesn't know and doesn't understand and claiming that. he's gone through it. It's so fucking annoying to me. But this is when I like lose all respect or more respect for Jason because Jason's like, well, hey, Brittany texted me about the computer because she wants it back. Yeah. That would have been enough telling Jacks because all of her accounts are logged in. You're telling a sociopath that he can go check in on everything his ex has been doing. Yep. Like little stuff like that. I'm like, why would you say that part, Jason? She wants you to give the key back.

She wants you to log out of the cameras so you can stop fucking stalking her. He's not going to. No, he won't. Absolutely not. And he wants to use this as an ultimatum, not until I see Cruz. And I'm, thank God, Schwartz and Jason, like, I don't think that that's a good idea. Like, you probably shouldn't do that. And then he says, I haven't done anything.

It's like, what? What are you talking about? I hate it. I hated it all so much. It was such a frustrating scene. but Brittany returns to the house and the cameras are uncovered. Of course, Jacks took off all the post-it notes

so you can see in the house again. And watching her work through it, obviously, you know, there's a lot of emotion in this so she's getting kind of upset. But I like that she was actually watching this whole thing on the cameras. I think that's funny. It's like a full circle moment where it's like,

yeah, I was spying on him, that stupid fuck. Perfect. But we do get one, one wonderful little nugget out of this episode. We got to find out about Jacks's burner account. And that is just amazing. And his name is Frank Dremant, which not to be confused with Frank Drebben from Naked Gun.

Yeah, Frank Dremant. Wow, we have two Naked Gun references. Yeah, Naked Gun was, to be fair, naked gun was on my mind because there's a new one coming out with Leslie. Oh, yeah, I saw that. With Liam Neeson. similar name kind of weird that is interesting us the nielsen liam nison

Liam nison though yeah Liam nason you didn't know that nason's though uh it's from key and oh damn damn that's good but yeah frank dreman which of course he told brittany about probably doesn't remember telling her about it to go on

and he just likes to go on there and just look at stuff whatever the fuck that means that sounded so creepy that he made a burner account he didn't make the burner account to defend himself he made the burner account to go look at stuff. What does that mean? You know what that means. You know exactly what that means.

He's fucking buying on people and looking at fucking OnlyFans models. Exactly. Exactly. But he also goes on his post and comments things like Jacks Taylor gets out of rehab. He's a legend, Frank Drummond. What a loser. Dude. Like, it's just unreal.

The best part is that he DM'd Brittany from the burner account. That's how dumb you are to call him back. answer the phone I answer the phone for you I did yeah oh my god it's it's just incredible but let's check in with Danny and

Nia I mean I love these two I love Nia she's awesome the fact that she is not more adamant about moving into a bigger house before the fourth kid is that kid sleeps

in a crib with a tent over it that shows like it is so funny because every time that we go to their house, I get like, Adjada, where I'm like, you've got stuff everywhere. You guys need a fair space. I'm like, please, for the love of God. Like, I do think that if you had a bigger house, it would look really, really nice because I think you guys would be on top of it.

Oh, I'm not sure they're in normal people and they're cleaning all those things. I think you've got great style and you've got good stuff. It's just, it's everywhere. I don't knock them. I'm not knocking. I get it. I get it. Like, you want to stay close to your friends.

It's a crazy time for the housing market. No, no, no. I'm not knocking them for the state of the apartment. Oh, I understand why it's so messy. I don't think that they can do anything about it. No, there's nothing they could do about it. You guys are bursting at the seams with stuff for your three kids under three. And like you said, the one kid's sleeping in a tent.

Like, what's going on? He's in a crib, but the tent is smart. Yeah. It's a smart idea, by the way, to keep it done. Actually like that looks so messy. But it's such a funny peek into their life because they get the kid in the crib finally to both sitting like, who, everyone's asleep. And then one of the kids comes out holding a tree. And it's like, that's their life.

And they both laugh. They seem like great parents. It's just such a funny moment. But we get to find out about the timeline a little bit more. Ney went to Dr. Alexander. Her uterus looks great. So that's awesome to hear, especially considering that she had a journey earlier on about whether or not she get pregnant. So that's exciting.

And she's like, look, I want to do this because we heard what she said prior. She wants to, you know, get a mommy makeover, start feeling like her. herself again, but she doesn't want to do that until they're done having kids. And she also doesn't want to wait until she's older to have kids. She wants to do it now. So we get a one year ultimatum, which I think is fair. I think it's fair. And they think it's fair, which is more important than all of this.

That's the only thing that matters. That it is fair. And they agree, we'll table this discussion. You know, we've got a year to figure it out. And within a year, we will make a decision on that. We'll make a decision on a bigger house. And we'll see how it goes. Perfect.

Everything's going to work out great. Love it. Sounds like optimism. Move to me. And it did work out for them, as we know. It sure did. God, I'm so happy for them. On all fronts, new house and a new kid.

Four under four now. But Luke stops in just, they're planning, obviously, the engagement trip to Maui and Nia and Dania are going to step in and be the fake front to get everybody there. So it's nice to see everybody come together and do all that shit. Now let's get the Jacks's condo so we can move the fuck on from this episode. God, yeah. What he says tells you exactly who he is and what he wants. Because this, according to him, is his dream scenario to live next to Tom Schwartz. If you added Tom Sandoval into the mix, it would literally be his dream scenario.

He wants to live like he's back in his 20s on VPR. That's the cold. Oh, yeah, Sandibald's dad in there, too. Yeah, that's that sad show that we talked about. That was a sad show. people together yeah but he gets served and he thinks it's for the podcast no he doesn't he knows what it is he was saving dude he knew exactly what it was i thought he was dumb and it was you know what he did he did the like i'm so embarrassed and i don't want this this guy who just

served me to know that i'm getting a divorce oh yeah this is for my podcast oh that's fair i think you're right he knew what it was because as soon as he took it out like you could say she fucking schwartz Schwartz got like war flashbacks like oh well because he was like oh there's divorce papers he's like I was joking oh shit I was joking oh really are divorce papers oh boy oh boy I don't think that Schwartz was joking I mean we've got that theory that Schwartz just acts like a fucking idiot but he's actually really smart he knows what I don't even think he was joking there probably not but he's reading through this whole thing and it's going to be done expeditiously out of court which are good things when it comes to a divorce usually and

And Schwartz keeps reading through. We get to the custody agreement. And this dumb fuck doesn't know what full legal custody means. It means that she has full custody of your child. I don't know what the visitation is in there. I don't know what it breaks down to. But that's what that means. And he goes, I'm not going to lie.

I don't know what that means. It's like, well, one, Google it, bitch. What you have your phone in your hand? Yeah. What are you talking about? He strikes me as a guy that says, oh, this piece of paper is it going to stand between me and my son. Cops will. I'll tell you that much.

Yep. And God, I hope they do. But this is when he starts to play the woes me card again because it starts breaking online that this is happening that he got served papers. And he's like, imagine coming out of rehab and getting served. It's like, shut up. Yeah. Shut up. Shut up.

Shut up. shut up because again this is what happens after you leave you have to deal with the ramifications of all of your actions much like this and the way that he's trying to paint this by saying things like you know we bring out the worst in each other this that the other he's trying to make this mutual destruction he's trying to place as much blame on brittany as himself which is ludicrous you suck sir you suck balls god let's do questions let's move on with our lives Stupid-ass show, stupid-ass person. Fucking bringing down my vibe and shit.

From Rachel Ray, is it bad that I don't believe he's sober? No. No. Not at all. From Rach Stang, do you believe this is Jackson's last season? Bravo. Boy, do I hope so. It needs to be, man.

It really, really needs to be. Holy shit, there's so many fucking questions. I know. All you people watch the show? Oh, God. What are we doing? doing what are we all doing collectively that's a good question this is a good one from robert taylor writer of stuff i bet that guy writes stuff why just why i don't know i i truly

don't know there's a lot of support for zach in here a lot of people uh tooting his horn as they should let's see what else uh from our our fucking great boyfriend well that came out so weird sorry for that but I don't care from Billy Big Deals, our homie I'm dumb watching you can't you can't backtrack now it's our great boy

he's our great boyfriend according to you our great boyfriend Billy said I'm dumb watching boys I'll still listen to your recast but can't hear Jackson's bullshit anymore also fuck Janet and Jason we get it yeah

we're at that point Billy we're gonna keep going but you know you guys might just have to listen from see right fan six just me or was this one of the worst episodes of reality tv that's what i said when we started you're not alone i turned it off multiple times uh this is interesting from jamie and go do you think jacks will stay on the bravocom lineup oh that'd be yeah's you to shit i think they're going to keep them honestly uh from ryan stoman did jacks just make up the sober number home watch what happens live it looked like he did he said 2001 days and then schwartz just kind of like

looked away i think he just made that up on the spot honestly uh let's see i do have to say we got a lot of messages uh and i'm assuming from our members ryan stoneman got a question on watch what happens live oh yeah a bunch of our members were shouting them out in our dm so ryan you've you've taken on a persona pal good job ryan uh let's see uh let's see Oh, that's interesting. From its sin. Steele, can you compare your, compared, contrast your first day out of rehab compared to Jackson's? You want to hear about my first day out of rehab?

My mom picked me up from Karen, which is in PA, and drove me home. I don't talk much on the way home. I remember distinctly staring out the window. And when we got back, I was the most lost, I think, have ever been in my life. I felt good, and I felt prepared, and I was ready to take it on, but it was a very daunting experience. I didn't know who I could talk to, like my friends. I didn't know how I wanted to approach it, whether I wanted people to know I was out of rehab or not. And I just remember being really, really nervous about my future and being very apprehensive about what my next steps were and also figuring out what those steps were going to be.

um but i do distinctly remember just the the nerves i really remember being nervous and i remember walking into my house my parents house and they were both skeptical uh understandably so but they obviously had booze in the house and so i could feel them kind of watching me walk near those things uh that sucked and again just to paint the perfect picture uh before i was in rehab uh i had a kid I was married. I had a career in professional baseball. I had all the grown-up stuff. And when I left rehab, I was going through a divorce, hadn't seen my child in a long time, lost my career and job.

I moved out of my parents' house when I was 18 years old. And the first time I ever moved back in is when I was 28 with all of this going on. So it wasn't great, but it led to where I am today and I'm grateful for it. That's my first day out of rehab. good question very very different from jacks's first day that's uh yeah yeah um you like two more yeah i'll do uh kiley mahala said only watching for christin and luke right now are you excited for their proposal i'm very excited yeah i'm stoked i love them so much from chavonne bham why are you all still watching because we have to we don't have a choice

i don't want to chivon and then And then the problem is, even when we get comments from people that they're not watching, they follow it up with, but I'm still listening to your recaps. So we have a job. We got a job to do. Everybody at some point hates their job. We love our job for the most part, but like, we hate the fucking valley. We hate the fucking valley. We hate Jacks.

We hate Janet and Jason. We will never stop because of all of you. Oh. I mean, yeah, that works too. We love you. Therefore, we won't stop. But yeah, I'm tired, grandpa. I feel so much better, just we're done with this episode.

I know, but guess what, it's back next week? I hope it doesn't get worse. I don't think I can handle it. We will find out. Time will tell, but you got anything else? Nope. That's our show. These bros got to go.

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