Bros & Shows - The Roast of Tamra Judge (Part 1 of 2) (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

What's up Bros? RHOC has had a stellar season. This episode is no different. The crew finishes up their trip to London and not only is Shannon and the rest of the group getting fed up with Tamra, audiences are as well. This bizarre team of Heather and Tamra is tough to watch as they seemingly are on the wrong side of history at every turn. Jen holds her own as she puts Tamra in her place. Tamra decides to dig deeper and throw out more accusations, such as Ryan being involved in a time share scheme and then the cherry on top... Shannon allegedly digging for dirt in regards to Gina pushing Travis down the stairs. Heather reignites her issues with Katie, we're not sure why shes so stuck on that this season but here we are. Heather and Emily have issues because Heather heard through the grapevine (Tamra) that Emily's CHILDREN were talking smack... We are now taking the words of 8 year olds and applying that to arguments amongst adults. We're not sure at all what Heather is doing, but she is starting to play in the mud with Tamra and it is not a good look. Jen draws a clear line in the sand in this episode that she is done with Tamra and her bullying and we have truly seen a housewife star in the making from Jen. You could attribute that success to Tamra being so rude to her, it allowed for Jen to truly find her footing as a standalone. Credit where credit is due. The trip ends at a luncheon when Shannon calls out Heather for sharing the info that Shannon dropped on Heather in Sonoma, and Tamra once again brings up the Travis Gina stuff at the table to pull Gina back into the middle of it all. Messiness all around, and it is all working. We are bummed that the season finale is next week but all in all, bravo ladies, fantastic work this season. Want more Bros content? Join BravBros Members to gain access to weekly exclusive episodes, monthly zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up. thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined us. always by the one and only sad poppy goots what's up dude seasonal depression is setting in baby it's the most wonderful time not really this is where it starts to get dark early and i'm glad it's starting to get a little chilly out i like that vibe but yeah it starts to put a damper on the day when you look outside of like five and it's starting to get a little dark then right around now as i sit here in the studio bro looking out the windows and it's just like gray it's not even dark it's just gray you know yeah yeah i'm looking out my back window right now it is

it looks really dark but it's mostly just gray and i feel like it just takes a couple of weeks what do we have daylight savings next weekend that's what i thought they were doing away with that was i thought they were too was yeah was that just like bullshit fake news that i don't i don't know but why do we do you know the whole reason for daylight savings was to save energy and power for farmers and agriculture, but it's no longer applicable. It doesn't actually, it actually costs more energy.

It's less energy efficient to still have daylight savings than it is to get rid of it. But because of tradition, pretty much, we still have it. That's how dumb we are. We've always done this. We'll just keep doing it. Keep depressing everybody and making it so dark that when you wake up,

it's dark. And then by the time you get home from work, it's all so dark. So your life is one big, dark, chilly mess for the, next five six months what do you say guys good plan cool thanks a lot ben franklin yeah thanks a lot ben what a dick but uh what a moron he was flying a kite in the lightning do what a dumb ass yeah good move idiot yeah well we get it our whole cities like based around you you and william pen

like oh sick what is that done a couple of championships not a lot you know franklin institute uh i'm not going to show the franklin institute the franklin institute is dope yeah i like the But we're not here to talk about that stuff and stupid-ass Ben Franklin. Well, the last time you think Ben Franklin got roasted? I don't know. Probably not as long ago as you would think because of his social exploits people bring up all the time. Yeah, that's true. He's got a wacky social life.

You're going to do some big in there. There's some fun stuff for you. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about Ben. We don't know what we're talking about Ben? What we're actually doing is we're going over to Big Ben, where we do have. confirmation, there is a little Ben in London. Conflicting results.

Oh. Yep. Conflicting results. We are talking OC, and if you remember last week, our big question was not about Heather. It was not about Tamara. It was not about Ryan. It was, is there a little Ben? And we actually have picture proof from some people

that they took a picture of little bed. I guess it's located elsewhere in London. However, today we got somebody that said, I live in London. There is no little Ben. I think what's going to have to happen, we're going to have to get Shoots boots on the ground. I'll be over there in December.

I'll check it out and I will get the answer. That's what we need. We need to settle this because I would imagine if you live in Britain, if you're from there, you probably know better. But I want there to be a little bit. So we got Shoots boots on the ground to let us know and answer the big questions. As we always do, we always send Shooter in for any major topic that's going on. We've got Shoots boots on the ground here reporting live.

But we have too much to discuss to continue ambling. People were actually happy with the ambled. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, I thought we sounded like total morons. But some people liked it. But let's get into our rosy amble because there's so much going on this episode. I texted you earlier because I was starting at like 4.30. 440, whenever I text you, that's when I begun this, because I was like, all right, it's 42 minutes.

I'll knock it out. We'll get started at like 5. 30, 545. I had to pause it and rewind it so many times to make sure I got everything that it took me an extra like 20 minutes. And now we're starting it, I guess another 40 minutes. We're starting at 620. Yep.

How about that? It was a hell of an episode. And I, they showed scenes from next week. And I was, I can't believe I'm saying this. I was bummed out. I'm like, oh, no, last week or next week is the series, Jesus Christ. Next week is the season finale. And I was like, no, I need more.

it's got to be the first time and that's what I was talking about yesterday when we were doing our Salt Lake City recap in the middle of it I kept being reminded there was so much going on in Salt Lake and I kept being reminded about how much also happened in OC and every time I would think about OC I was weirdly bummed out because of the fact that next week is the season finale it's bizarre to me now obviously we're going to have more than likely we're going to have three reunion episodes but I want more good content and it is getting so good right now. now and i know next week they're not going to be in london anymore they're going home and alexis is back in the picture so i might eat my own words but i want more content with these ladies that isn't reunion centric i don't think you're going to eat your words because there is enough there to tie up the the Alexis stuff to put a bow on it before the reunion it's not going to be a damper for me because we've had this long break from it where i'm like all right we can check back in with it i may not enjoy it but it's not going to bring down my vibe because there's nothing going on with the rest of the group.

And the rest of the group being Tamara and Heather and this bizarre duo that they've formed whilst in London, I hate this team. I hate what they do. I hate how they hype each other up. I hate how they both spin their narrative. They literally just sit there and go back and forth and create their own narrative without any outside influence. And watching it this episode, I was like, wow, this is crazy to watch these two just go back and forth and pretty much corroborating. each other with nothing they're like yeah you're right you're right yeah yeah that's what

happened i don't care for it sir i don't care for it at all and uh team judge bro or uh let's see it's heather and tamera team tam bro i don't like the bro aspect of that let's take that's a good point you're right you're right right right you're right all right relax all right uh your sleeves always did they just come off did you just flex at me and the sleeves came off what the I shut them in my car door earlier. They just right off, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't flex anymore because it rips off my sleeves.

So thanks for bringing that up. Yeah, I know better now. But team, team head the judge. That's the best I got. Yeah. Do judge. Team do judge. That sounds fancy.

I like that. Team do judge. And now we can start because I would have been stuck there forever. And it would have bothered me. So team do judge. But we start out with. team, do judge. And Jen, and it's the aftermath or the end of that argument that we saw last week. And Heather runs out in the hallway, like Jen, no, come back, come back. And their whole

approach, Tamara being the leader in this, but Heather is somewhat backing it up. She's like, look, Shannon had a hand in all of this and everything that's going on. Shannon's part of it too. And I think Jen is so far past at this point. She's not entertaining this idea. She's not sitting there and listening, she goes to a confession and goes, get out of Tamara's ass, Heather. Like, knock this shit off. I don't understand what's going on. And she finally has reached a breaking point with Tamara.

She's like, look, you don't have a soul. I'm fucking done with you. I'm getting out of here. I don't want to sit here and listen to it. And Jen warns Heather to be careful. And then she bounces. Yep. And it's weird as shit, too, because Heather, in that moment,

after all of what Tamara did, and we did see a little bit, a glimmer of hope in there because Heather did look at Tamara and say, you can't keep doing this. You can't keep clapping at her. Like, don't continue to do this. Just listen to her and let her get it all out because we do know that deep down, Heather is a little impressed at Jen because she was able to raise her voice and stand

up for herself because she said so in her confessional last week. But Tamara's sitting there doing that was enough to at least invoke some sort of reaction out of Heather. But Heather's still firmly on Team Tamara because when Jen says, you know what, you just don't have a soul, Heather stands up for Tamara. and says you can't say things like that. Please take that back. Like that's the craziest thing that we've heard on a housewife show.

Like fuck off, Heather. We don't know what you're doing. Does Tamara have some crazy dirt on you that you need to align yourself with Tamara? Tamara is the worst. Why would you want to? You see that she's about to start getting dragged by everyone. Now we know in current times that she is getting dragged to the point where she even went on a live. I don't know if you saw this, but she did an Instagram live.

The fans are so mean to me. The fans are still mean, we need to, I don't know what we have to do, but we have to change the laws because these comments are out of control. And the good thing is, Bravo called me and told me that that only represents about 3% of our fans. So don't worry about it. Bravo doesn't have those fucking statistics. Like, you're just making shit up on the spot like you did last week and the week before on your stupid podcast? Yeah, that's what you're doing. So no, that's not how that works.

We are giving you shit the fans collectively. every one of the fans is giving you shit because you're a terrible person and Jen finally stood up for herself and Jen deserves to be able to just yell in your face and walk away because it's going to make her feel a little bit better. Yeah, and the 3% thing

definitely pulled out of her ass. I will say that the vast majority of viewers of these shows are not commenting on social media but regardless you can't keep throwing shit at people and causing a scene causing so much

turmoil and not having any, any concern about people's actual lives when you say all of these things you say, even in this scene, like you can't help yourself. At this juncture, you would think after an entire season of failed attempts at taking Shannon down, taking Jen down, taking Ryan down, trying to point the finger at everybody else in the group, and it's going to blow back in your face every single time. And immediately when Jen vacates the room, you start to go in on another theory to try to garner some more traction and to point the finger elsewhere. Again, instead of, and Heather says at the end of the episode, all you got to do is just say sorry to Jen, say, I'm sorry, I fucked this up. If at any point throughout this season, then we saw her try to make nice with Shannon a couple times.

We both, I think not just us, everybody was like, this is bullshit. but if she just simply stopped at any point halfway through the season we would have I mean yeah we would still talk shit about it but there would nowhere near be this visceral reaction from the audience it's the week to week to week of continued behavior and then you compound that on top of years and years and years of this behavior and it becomes unavoidable we have to discuss it we're doing our job and discussing and other podcasts are doing their job You know how the Bravo fandom works. If you're going to be on these shows, you know how it goes.

A lot of them are really fucking mean. We talk about it all the time. Yeah, but you got to grin and bear that shit. And you have to know if you're going to approach the game the way that you do. There's going to be a tremendous amount of backlash. And you would think she would learn, but she doesn't because she brings up this timeshare scam from two years ago that they were collecting HOA fees before they even built the buildings.

We don't have any evidence on this. This is the, I've seen stuff coming out because of this episode in the past. like a couple of weeks. Ryan's denied it entirely. But we don't have evidence. And that's my biggest thing. Go ahead. It's fully irrelevant in this case too, because we saw the text message that you sent to Shannon saying specifically for Ryan that you need to do a background check on Ryan. Now you're showing us, and Bravo is fucking showing us clips of a text message that you were talking to either Shannon or somebody else saying that you want everybody investigated because you need to know what the hell's going on because it seems like there's a timeshare thing going on. And I needed

his business partner investigated and he was just collateral damage like no there's a text message that specifically says that you want a background check on Ryan do not say that he was just party to all of this and you found something out about him because you were looking something else up why are you even looking things up in the first place

like why are you there's curiosity yeah that's the thing there's curiosity and then there's just being an absolute lunatic and that's what she is she's fucking insane and this is what happens with Tamara and we've seen it in the past she is a terrible person and we've talked about it before her life is reality TV so she does not know how to behave otherwise whether or not she's on this show or she's completely off the show

and she talks about it a little bit later with 2022 not being on the show or whatever you still a podcast so your life is still reality TV don't get me started on that bullshit but she is going to do all of this and when she gets pushed is when her real character comes out and that's when she's entirely deplorable she again can't help herself and starts talking about fucking jenn getting a tummy tuck like what the fuck like tamer goes or Heather's sitting there and again she's somewhat admiring Jen for standing up for herself and even saying that she looked great and katie says it in the very next scene saying you looked super hot that's how this is going to work tamar steps in it goes well yeah she got a tummy talk like what does that have to do with anything nothing

nothing literally nothing stones because you're pushed into a corner and as this continues and that's that's partially why i'm a little upset that we only have one more real episode after this Because we're starting to see Tamara get shoved into a corner. Yes, she has Heather to lead on, but everybody else is starting to realize you're fucked up, Tamara. And people are going to go after her and we see her true self come out. And I want to see her fully come out because by the time the reunion comes out, she's going to have time to compose herself a little bit and have some fake ass apology to both Jen and Shannon now, but just add them to the list.

Yeah, try to change her story up a little bit, try to come up with the defense. But when they're showing the texts in her mind, they're like going to exonerate her. I'm like, this doesn't change really anything for me because Shannon's saying that she wants to protect herself if this stuff comes out. She doesn't want to be attached to it. You're still the one that's saying, I'm doing this. I'm asking my friends to get a background check on Ryan. I, I, I, I, me, me, me. Shannon's talking to you about it. And here's the thing. Like, we're well aware that Shannon has been a mess up until this season. We're not denying that. Could she have been involved in some shady behavior? Yeah, totally. I'm not going to sit in here

and say that she's completely blameless. But the text message that I just read and the goal you had from these text messages did not land. I was like, this change is absolutely nothing for me. And meanwhile, like you just said, this whole group is turning on Tamara. And you would think, because we've seen a very buttoned up Dubrow for a long time

when it comes to the nonsense, that she would have a better read on it and not be like, I'm jumping on Tamara's team right now because everyone's ganging up on her. it's so strange it's so strange like i i don't i don't get it does she have paparazzi photos yeah yeah she has she has clippings and she's got screenshots from uh text messages between whoever katy knows she's got the smoking gun of the paparazzi issue yeah i don't that's what

heather's most afraid of this season is worrying about that the paparazzi but we got a scene with shannon and her daughters and it was actually really nice they're celebrating their 60th in uh in london and this is just a fun scene and it shows you I like watching stuff like this just the interactions how the daughters talk to their mom because it's very comfortable very real very friendly they know about the Tamara stuff

I like that they don't go further than she sucks because this is a toxic relationship and then they just go like change the subject that you date in anybody and that whole combo was really funny to me because the one what the one daughter says you guys I had my fair share that's fucking funny But I like their relationship. And I think that that, I don't know, that, that says a lot about Shannon and how she's been this year in my eyes, right?

Because she's had a very strange year, obviously, a very tumultuous year. So watching her daughters just talk to her. I'm like, all right, well, clearly things are okay at home with her and her family and like her immediate family. So that's nice to see. And you can't deny that from watch. I know it's not like a super in-depth scene, but just the way that they respond and, talk to her I think speaks volumes no I fully agree too and we can usually obviously it would be nice if this was the only children talk of the episode but unfortunately we

have involved the rest of the episode we're breaking rule number one a lot this episode the entire fucking episode is about that but when you get to see like you said the dynamic between a mother and her kids whether it's daughters sons whatever that gets to a point where you get to see the interactions you get to see how much respect they have for their mother and we've seen this all season and anytime that shannon is talking to any of her daughters even when they're talking about john jansen like they are firmly on her side and they seem like bright kids and they're seeing the side of yeah he's a fucking dirtbag but here we have alexis over here and tamro over here trying to say that he's a good guy so no i'm gonna believe these kids because they want to protect their mom

and i believe shannon because you guys are fucking liars but seeing all of this is always really nice because it shows that dynamic. And again, we do typically like the family scenes because it breaks things up, especially when an episode like this pops up, and it gives us a little bit of a reprieve and a little bit of a fun scene, and I love it. We need it this episode because she gets heavy very shortly.

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Hot. But you got to see you with Tamara, Heather, and Gina, and they're discussing the genn stuff. And Gina's like, yeah, you know, I saw the text messages and, you know, this is bad. Like, this is really bad. It looks bad on you, Tamara, and it makes me question my. friendship with you like would you do this to me would that sting to hear a little bit from anybody yeah probably but based on your behavior up until this point can you be surprised that people are now questioning what you may or may not do to them based on your current friendship

because we've seen you jump loyalties all the time you're probably chomping at the bit right now because for some weird reason you've got heather on your team out of nowhere but what are you going to do to heather like i think everybody that gets involved with tamra and that's why this episode, especially the end of it, I was actually a little surprised at some of the reactions when it starts coming out like the Gina and Travis stuff, because how quick people are still able to hear Tamara out. I'm like, guys, you don't see that this is another ploy for her to try to get some kind of support from you. This is the same thing she's done all season is throw claims out. The fact that people are pretty quick to be like, ooh, I'll hear, I'll hear this.

Like, what happened? That was confusing to me. I'm like, this is the same playbook, again, that we've seen all the time, and yet people are falling for it. So is Gina correct to say, hey, this concerns me? Would you try to do this to me? Lo and behold, in the same episode, she does. So yes, of course she will. She'll do this to anybody. She'll do anything to anyone for Cloud because, like you said, her life is reality.

There is no separation between the show and her real life, whether it's because she has nothing to do in her real life or she just can't simply separate the two. I don't know, truly. I'm not even trying to take a dig there. I don't know what is going on in her head where it's like, this is me all the time. I'm always playing a character. I'm always being this person,

whether it's on my podcast, on TV, at home, doesn't matter. When I took my one, two, whatever year hiatus that she took from the show, she was probably the same. Well, she was podcasting. So her life was still like that. Like she started a podcast as soon as she was off the show

so that she could remain in the public eye. And so she could continue to have this behavior. so yeah no i i do like it bothers me all the time and it goes back to last season that people do not understand tamara's playbook and they always look at her and say yeah you know i can't see you doing that but this episode you can see the tides start to change a little bit with gina later with um with emily during this episode like even in their confessionals they're starting to question a little bit more and that makes me a little happier but in that same breath they're still going to give her the benefit of the doubt which is fucking insane she's done

nothing. She has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt. You have watched her do this to countless housewives, to countless friends up, to people probably in her personal life because she can't separate her reality TV career from that. So yes, there is no reason for you to not sit there and say, yeah, would you do this to me? Because she would. Of course she would. She would do it to her fucking husband. She'd do it to her children. This is just how she operates. She's crazy. I agree. But you get Jen and Katie and Emily in the pub. I truly, truly, truly love Jen. I think she is the new era of housewife.

I think that's what we're looking for, the honesty and being a nice person, not being afraid to get involved and say some shit and pop off, but at the core, not evil. Like, that's, I think, what we need. We need all of the good stuff from the old days, but just less mean, like truly mean people. You'd have a couple meanies, but I just, I like the way that she carries herself. love the fact that they go to a pub in England and she's like, yeah, Malibu? And they're like, we do. She's like, Malibu and Diet Coke, because that's my drink, baby, no matter where I'm at.

I'm like, fuck, yeah, do you. No, I fully appreciate that. And I do like, I was a little cringed when they were talking about Guinness because, yes, Guinness, it's like Guinness. I don't know how the fuck you don't know that, but whatever, I'll get past it. But, no, Jen is just, she's, she's so authentic, like, just little things like that because I noticed the same thing. I don't mind it.

You know, I think it's kind of funny. It's very camp for her to just sit there and be like, yeah, this is my drink. I don't care if I'm in London. I don't care if I'm in Spain. If you have Malibu, Diet Coke, I'm ready to roll. Love that. But I do, I disagree with you slightly. I think that the new era of housewives can take a note from the past.

If everybody is mean to each other, then that's okay. If there's a couple of meanies, that's also okay. But there can't be one big bad meaning. We can't have that because that's going to get old very quickly. And that seems to be what we have an OC. I'm not going to say that Heather is a big bad meaning with Tamara. She's just hitching her wagon to Tamara for some reason. It just gets really tired when it's one villain the entire time and nobody goes back at her.

That's what we can't have. But we're starting to see the tide change. I'm all right with that. I agree. And if you look at like Roslick, for example, you can't point to a villain on the show. People are being messy and doing mean shit to each other, but you can't point and be like, she's the villain. She's the villain.

It's like, no, they're all doing shady shit, but they're also all having nice scenes as well. you need both. We need a rel-wound, well, wow. Well, you get it. Well, round it. But also, if you look at Roney, there is no villain at all. Or authenticity. That's the problem.

I'm just always going to stray one out there. Just Rony strays. But they're talking about the background check and how Jen lost her mind finally, kind of snapped on her. And Emily points out a very important point that they all, again, should take heat of. It's like they don't listen to their own warning. but she's like, you know, when Tamara doesn't respect somebody, there's no limits. And that's what we've seen time and time again with Jen and other people in the show,

past and present. If there's no respect there, she really has no problem going for the jugular, throwing out baseless claims, just saying whatever the fuck she wants to garner a reaction. Then we get a great breakdown of it later from Shannon. And I'll save it for later. But Emily, I think voices what a lot of us have come to terms with this season, where she's like, look, Ryan's stepping up for you, Jen. and for your kids for the time being he is there and we have our issues with Ryan for sure we have

to reiterate that weekly that yes we know that he does come off like a douchebag and he's not our favorite but if we're going to give credit where credits do as we like to do here even with Tamara we've given her credit along the way he has stepped up for her and her family and you can't knock him for doing that so I'm glad that Emily's able to at least say look at the end of the day he was there when he needed him he's there for your kids there's there's a lot of respect there and you can at least give him that much for now we'll see what comes out with all this shit later Emily has come a very long way since episode one too just sitting there talking about Jen's finances always questioning what she's doing

going to Vegas doing glam this and that and whatever now she finally realizes and I do wonder if Ryan wasn't associated with this potentially illegal revenue stream would they still feel the same way? Would they still be sitting there saying, is it just because he's a douchebag that they'd be sitting there like, oh, well, why is Jen doing all of this? Or if he was a really nice stand-up guy that everybody liked, I don't think that anybody would question it.

I think if Jen was going to Vegas all the time and getting her hair down all the time, even though she had just been evicted, but she's moving in with Ryan, if he was this great guy, if he was, say, Matt, that Katie's married to, then everybody would be like, oh, this is fine, this is okay, good for you guys. I hope you guys get married. Like, it would be a completely different turnout. I think it's just because he's a douchebag and because Tamer's been in their ear about what's going on with the FBI, that they're questioning everything. And they're not giving her the benefit of the doubt.

But it's still nice to see Emily finally come around to it. And you've seen the progression all season where she's realized, yeah, I shouldn't be talking about Jen's finances. And now she's saying, this is good. Ryan is a good guy because now you're seeing what Tamer's doing, tearing him down and how it's affecting Jen. And you get to step back and say, well, what the fuck, Tamara? Like, leave her alone. There's nothing wrong here. Well, he got off to a bad start because of the, you know, he was the guy that was trying to bang people's wives at the gym, that whole thing.

So here's the thing. Like, is that grounds for being skeptical? Absolutely. As he's shown signs of being a douchebag, absolutely. If you want to keep him in an arm's length, by all means do so. We've seen bad dudes on these shows before that have cheated, that have done other things, that have gotten back in the good graces of other people in the cast. So, yeah, I think that if the FBI thing wasn't in play, I do think Tamara would try to find another angle because she's obsessed with Ryan for some weird reason.

I truly think it's because she wants to hook up with him. I think she's attracted to him. I think that's the root of this because he didn't give her attention at the gym and he gave Jen attention at the gym. I think that is honestly a big part of this. I can't get that out of my head for some reason. But I do think that because it's the FBI thing, there's this lingering question mark of who is this guy, and I think that until that whole thing shakes out, that will always be

there, and somewhat understandably so, but it also makes for a very low-hanging fruit for Tamara and anyone else that wants to go after it, because it's like, well, what's going on with the FBI? Like, you can say that every time, and every time it's going to hit a little bit. So I think that he's got a lot of factors against them. And again, we're not rooting for Ryan here. Like, we want the truth to come out and to figure out what the fuck's going on. But at the very least, I think we can all agree when push came to shove and Jen needed a place to stay needed money or kids need to be taken care of Ryan didn't hesitate so you can't knock

him for that part but that's a good point Heather is now talking about the digging I don't like all the digging that's why I'm so disgusted with Katie it's like what's like we're back to this shit now like what are we doing and this is that's with Katie she is obsessed with Katie Heather is not obsessed with Kate or oh yes Heather is obsessed with Katie Katie is not obsessed with Heather anymore. Katie is moving on. We identified that immediately. It was a bad move. She just wanted to make a name for herself. She thought she had some dirt going into it, and she could immediately make a splash. It failed miserably, and she took a step back, and she's been fine since. She's aligned herself with Jen, the nicest person on the cast, and Katie is also nice. And they're

still friends, and they're very supportive of each other. And we love that. That's great. That's incredible. But now, Heather keeps going back to the Katie thing. She wants more dirt because it made to Heather look bad in the beginning of the season is the only thing that I can think of, that Heather cannot get it out of her head. It is turned completely. Heather's so obsessed with Katie, just let it lie. This is only going to end bad for you.

If you just do the normal Heather Dubrow thing and act like it doesn't matter and move on with your life, you'd probably be a lot better for it. But if you keep poking, something's going to happen. Well, that goes to tell you what was transpiring in that room between Tamara and Heather. Because in this scene, it's Tamara, Heather and Gina and Heather knows damn well.

If she extends an olive branch to Gina to try to get her on her team, Gina's going to jump at the chance. She wants to be close to Heather. So she brings up the Katie thing. And of course, Gina immediately is like, oh, I can't believe what a liar Katie is, like immediately back on the train. But this is when I was like, okay, this was all a ruse. Tamara and Heather talked about this beforehand because immediately Tamer's like,

oh, yeah, well, and goes into this story about Emily's kids. and she heard through Kaylee at the lunch that Emily's kids were saying, oh, we don't like Heather. Heather's mean to our mom. She's never nice, whatever. And then that spins. And it turns into, oh, no, Kaylee told Emily's kids that Heather's a bad person. Sure.

It's like, first of all, this is so clearly planned by you two idiots up in your room. You thought for some reason this was going to be the haymaker that you wanted it to be. It's not, by the way, because now we're discussing taking, what an eight-year-old said at face value without questioning where it's coming from without saying, all right, there's clearly a whisper down the lane here telephone tag where it's like, hmm, the kids said it to Kate. Oh, wait, no. She said it to the kids and that, wait, the kids told me, it's like, what are we doing right now? One, you're bringing the kids into it, which is just always a bad idea. This is a bad move by head. It's, it's very out of character

for Heather. I'm like, what are you doing right now? How is this a good? And I know Tamer's the one that brings it up. But you clearly discussed it. You clearly planned this moment to bring it up in front of Gina to cause more shit. What's going on? Why are you taking this without vetting it at all or having a conversation with Emily that's not, hey, your fucking kids are talking shit, bro. Hey, Katie, you better tell your daughter to shut the fuck up. Like, that's what we're seeing. It's so weird. Like, I couldn't believe that this is the move they're trying to make now. It's super bizarre. And it's not completely bizarre for Tamara to do that because I expect this of Tamara. It's bizarre that Heather is so involved in all of this.

Heather needs to just fucking move on. Like, why do you need to get revenge on Katie for bringing up a topic that you defended all last year? Wouldn't you just want to space yourself away from this? Wouldn't you just want to ignore Katie? That would be way more powerful. Maybe make a couple of digs at her outfits, things like that that we typically see on Housewife shows. Why are you going this route?

And it's all just because Tamara got into her head. well I know this about this because I was at a lunch and I heard that Emily's kids are saying that they don't like you very much because you're mean to their mommy why the fuck like yes I do understand Heather hearing that information being like well what the fuck like is Emily just at home trashing me all the time that her eight-year-olds are doing this but you don't bring it up you don't talk to her about it on camera this is not a storyline we're not throwing eight-year-olds under the bus we're not throwing what seems like a very intelligent and nice young girl in Kaylee saying that she's telling these eight year olds what to fucking think like that makes no

sense the whole storyline is so stupid it's so ridiculous and we don't have time for the shit we just don't we just don't too much more going on no one in their right mind is going to watch this and say oh my god this is such a smoking gun an eight year old it's like when an eight year old walks into a like a police department and says it like something happens it's like whoa they didn't know the year old was there it's like this isn't like that this is just not how this fucking works like it's just not their children their fucking children leave them alone leave them alone leave the kids alone leave the kids alone the love of god leave the kids alone but uh let's keep trucking and just before we get to etiquette class we got to point out Shannon's a little backed up all right and this

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Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty. But anyway, we get to etiquette class, and it's very fitting that this group sits down to etiquette class, and we're talking poop pills, we're talking constipation. I will say this group is good at being authentic in that nature, where it's like, yeah, we're kind of a mess and we're going to bring the mess to you. They don't change that.

I don't want them to change that. No, definitely not. But we get to something that, of course, this is going to go well, because any time we do games of any nature, it always pans out well, especially with this group in particular. And this was also just a fucking target practice for Heather.

Oh, yeah. This was, I need to bring out, I need to figure out a way to organically bring this up. Let me go to, let me consult my Housewives 101 book. Oh, I just play a game. We need to play a game. We're not going to call it peaks and valleys.

We're not going to call it. What was the other way that they explain this? Pit and Peak. Pit and Peak, yeah. I always call the peaks and valleys. Yeah, we're going to do a little pit and peak here. I did Rosen Thorne. Oh, remember that?

Yeah, we used to do that. Good old time. The good days. Yeah, those were the good days. But no, let me just try to work this into conversation. We're going to figure this out. And it goes exactly as we figured it was. Yeah, it does.

It starts out. you know the pit was uh as tamrick goes the pit was jen yelling at me for something that shannon provoked uh-huh it's like fuck me okay how how's this all shannon's fault now like let's just do it quickly so we can we can get to the part where they yell back at you because what the fuck and shannon she tries and has tried time and time again to disengage from this stuff i don't want to do this shut the fuck up i'm leaving the table we've seen her try to avoid it because we've also seen her try to talk about it and it falls on deaf ears so at this point on the fourth day of her trip the trip's effectively been ruined for her at this point

you're doing it again and now you're trying to point the finger at her again and she says you're you're a liar you're a liar Tamara and tamara this the mask comes off this is who tamara is this is her actual personality she just immediately one isn't smart enough to come up with a good rebuttal so just repeats what chanin said to her you're a liar and a drunk it's like oh you got her like we're still doing this and that's where it for me i remember my reactions early on this season when the drunk thing would come up when she would take digs at alcoholism and people with with addiction problems and stuff like that i remember how like angry i got and at this point i'm like really like you did it again like i didn't even get upset i didn't i almost

laughed i'm like you're that desperate now that you're bringing this back up and she's like you probably don't remember things because you're such a drunk and gina for fucking like finally finally i've been waiting for this from her all season finally steps in and goes hey can we cool it with the alcohol talk i'm really sick of it it's it's not funny it's not for you to say what her journey is and tell her what to do like just fucking leave it alone and for a very brief moment it looks like Tamara takes it in stride she kind of nods along and then immediately jumps back off that train and she's like why are you even believing Shannon and Jen's like she's been more honest with me in one year of friendship than you have in our entire friendship and Tamara's taken aback by it

which I guess that's that's kind of where my confusion lies and obviously it deteriorates even further because the right stuff comes back up but before we get to that that I truly don't understand a person that can have this continued behavior for a very long time. We've got archives of this, all right, and you can blame the early days on that's how Housewives was. It was crazier back then. Okay, fine. How can you still be here now after watching yourself last season, after going through this whole entire season, and not be able to take even an iota of accountability?

like truly i'm i'm this isn't rhetorical if you have any kind of thought on this because i it blows me away yeah i mean i i just i don't understand how her brain operates to begin with i think it's really just that she got along with it or she got she got away with it for so long that she just started believing that she never actually has to take accountability you're right started getting even more warped when she started claiming that others need to take accountability yeah and That's where it gets fucking hypocritical. That's where it gets insane. When you see somebody like Shannon do what she did last year, where she was drunk and

she was on the phone and she was bitching about John Jansen and you guys were all giving her shit for it, you just wanted her to take accountability, but you've never taken accountability. So it doesn't make any sense. And it's not how that works. And I don't blame Shannon for not taking accountability when the person who's telling her to take it never takes it herself. So it doesn't make any sense.

And that's the only way that I can imagine how Tamara's mind has warped over. the years is that she's got away with it for so long and we pointed out every fucking episode at least 15 to 20 times a full season that she does these terrible things and everyone knows that it was her everybody knows that she's the source of it and they don't go after her they never actually try to exact any sort of revenge there's just nothing to do about it and she gets away with it so she starts to gain confidence and continue down this path and now at this point that she just believes that she's untouchable, it's crazy. To the point where when she is getting called out,

she just says more horrendous things, and that's what she believes her power is. That's crazy. That was actually a very astute breakdown. I think that was kind of on the head. Unfortunately, I spent way too much time thinking about Tamara Judge's mentality. Me too, unfortunately. But to your point, immediately,

because Jen is standing up for herself, which we love to see. Even Heather loves to see it. It is nice to see that she found her voice and she's confident in it. And she's like, he brings up everything Tamara talks about. You keep talking about Ryan in the lawsuit, the FBI, blah, blah, blah. She's like, you better shut the fuck up. I'm like, fuck yeah, let her know. And she's like, why?

He's going to put a hit out on me? I'm like, there you go. There you go. Like the gravity of what you've just said. Because he's being quote unquote investigated by the FBI, according to you. He's doing all this like super sketchy shit with like an overseas bookie according to you. And now you're going to bring up the fact that he has people killed. I know it seems innocuous.

I know it seems like a one-off comment. You're like, oh, he's going to kill me. You just said that, though. You genuinely just said that about her partner. This is her spouse. This is who's taking care of her kids back home right now. And you just throw this out there willy-nilly because you're backed into a corner. And then it's crazy because she goes on the defensive.

And she's like, here we go. Gang up on me again. No, no. You don't get to do that. You don't get to say gang up on me again because you bring this heat on yourself because you're not nice to people. It's very simple. Treat people well. They won't want to throw you under the bus.

But you've continuously thrown them under the bus, backed up, thrown it and drive, backed up again over their dead lifeless bodies. And now their bodies are rising back up and saying, fuck you, we're not doing this shit anymore. And even Heather jumps in and says, dude, you're not helping yourself. And she's like, I'm not going to let her turn everyone in the group against me. And finally, dude, finally Gina again. And everybody at the table has a reaction. You know, everyone's like, that's not what's going on here. Nobody's turning anybody against you.

They're trying to get you to take responsibility for your side of things, as we've been screaming at you for years now. If you want to be messy, fine. When you get caught, actually be sorry. Don't go on the defensive for six episodes and then say sorry and then jump back in and then fast forward to the reunion and it's a full back pedal followed by a podcast where you say some sketchy shit and backpedal again we know your playbook it's the same every time at least be original with this shit because now we can spot it from a mile away and you're doing it again

you're doing it again and now the whole group for the first time ever is saying time out tamera we're not doing this shit and jen says you know what i'm good she goes oh we're good it's like no we're not good i'm good i'm good you can go fuck yourself like of course we're not cool i'm done with this shit the fact that jen gave her another shot in the beginning of this season you and i talked about episode one like what are you doing you just saw what she's capable of and this is what tamer was so good at was reeling people back in but to see and you know what looking back now i'm okay with it i'm okay because had we not had that that reunion of these two at the beginning we wouldn't have the

the massive season that Jen's had, this coming of age, if you will, of a housewife, where she's finally figured out how she wants to operate. She's found her voice. She's found her confidence. She's able to go up against one of the biggest bullies in the history of Bravo and not only hold her own, but actually defeat her. She's making Tamara look just silly at this point. And I'm here for it.

And that wouldn't be possible without this reunion at the beginning of the season. Yeah. And I know that we had our theories in the beginning of the season about why Jim was letting Tamer back into her life? Was it just to keep her close so that she couldn't go after her? No, I genuinely believe that Jen is a very, very nice human being that's going to give people multiple chances. You know what? You parked me over, but I'm going to give you another shot. And like you said, we wouldn't have had this. We wouldn't have had Jen finding her voice. We wouldn't have had Jen rising to the occasion and actually shutting somebody down who was being

mean to her, who was trying to ruin her entire life. And that's pretty much what Tamer was doing. and I remember audibly laughing when I'm watching this episode, when Tamara says, oh, now everybody's going to gang up on me, we're not doing that. How many times have you been the leader with the pitchfork? Pretty much every fight that we just were five minutes ago. I know. You had, you concocted this whole plan where you're going to start talking to

Gina about what's going on with Emily's kids and you're going to start talking to Heather and plant some ideas in her head so that we can get started during this etiquette dinner, which is fucking hilarious. It's so on point for this group, though. Oh, it's perfect. And I would never change that in a heartbeat. I would always leave it the same.

But sitting here, you have tried to manipulate the situation so that then other people might go after Jen. Other people might go after Shannon. And then the deflection is off of you because you realize that Jen has you. Jen has you on the hook. And in the past, you've watched Jen cower and fear when you raise your voice, when you start threatening things. When you look at other people and people will, for whatever reason, get behind you.

you, Jen was usually afraid of that. So you thought that you could turn the tables again and you didn't. And your immediate deflection is, so everybody stopped ganging up on me. This isn't right. You don't get to do that now. Then why do you do it? If it's not right, when you do it, then it's not right then. So it's just fucking insane to me.

And I just love that Jen has finally found her voice. But not only that again, you see Gina with some very good pointouts. Enough of the alcohol stuff. I don't understand what the fuck's going on here. we're not doing this we're not going after you we're just trying to get you to realize that you're fucking up that's all we're trying to do here and if you take accountability it can all be over like you could be over just then swallow the pill just literally sit there and swallow the pill and say you know what guys i've been sloppy i'm sorry jen i shouldn't have gone after you i shouldn't

have done anything with ryan i apologize i'll give them the benefit of the down from that one and you know what you know what could have easily happened tamara if you sat there in london and said i'm sorry i won't bother with ryan anymore i shouldn't have done it in the first there's nothing to worry about and then this stuff starts to happen you get the biggest i told you so moment but now that all of this has happened you don't get to sit at the reunion and say i told you so because you've already done deplorable shit and nobody's on your side exactly just put the fries in the bag ma'am just put the fries in the bag let's move on like fuck are you looking for a movie review show where the critic is at the top of his or her game meticulously breaking down

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