Bros & Shows - The Roast of Tamra Judge (Part 2 of 2) (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

What's up Bros? RHOC has had a stellar season. This episode is no different. The crew finishes up their trip to London and not only is Shannon and the rest of the group getting fed up with Tamra, audiences are as well. This bizarre team of Heather and Tamra is tough to watch as they seemingly are on the wrong side of history at every turn. Jen holds her own as she puts Tamra in her place. Tamra decides to dig deeper and throw out more accusations, such as Ryan being involved in a time share scheme and then the cherry on top... Shannon allegedly digging for dirt in regards to Gina pushing Travis down the stairs. Heather reignites her issues with Katie, we're not sure why shes so stuck on that this season but here we are. Heather and Emily have issues because Heather heard through the grapevine (Tamra) that Emily's CHILDREN were talking smack... We are now taking the words of 8 year olds and applying that to arguments amongst adults. We're not sure at all what Heather is doing, but she is starting to play in the mud with Tamra and it is not a good look. Jen draws a clear line in the sand in this episode that she is done with Tamra and her bullying and we have truly seen a housewife star in the making from Jen. You could attribute that success to Tamra being so rude to her, it allowed for Jen to truly find her footing as a standalone. Credit where credit is due. The trip ends at a luncheon when Shannon calls out Heather for sharing the info that Shannon dropped on Heather in Sonoma, and Tamra once again brings up the Travis Gina stuff at the table to pull Gina back into the middle of it all. Messiness all around, and it is all working. We are bummed that the season finale is next week but all in all, bravo ladies, fantastic work this season. Want more Bros content? Join BravBros Members to gain access to weekly exclusive episodes, monthly zooms and more! Click the link below to sign up. thebros.memberful.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host. Neil Russell, joined as always by the way. one and only part two magoo what's up dude part two bagu coming to you two straight days i hope you love us because we have part two magoo part do oh wow french too a little french in there in europe for this yeah that's a really good point but uh yeah steel and i uh we had a lot to break down we um we can't stop talking um and this also really just gives you guys a little bit of a chance. Think of it like an intermission. You ever been in like a long musical or a play and you

need an intermission? I wish that those three and a half hour movies had intermissions. That would be fucking lovely. Go to the bathroom. Get a little snack. Come back. Get nice and relaxed and settle in for part two because things get a little wild. Things are getting a little crazy over there in London across the pond. So we wanted to break it down into two to make sure we had enough time to get to everything. We want to address all the topics. So let's not waste any time dilly dally. Let's jump right back in. Yeah. But you got a nice scene with Jen and Katie, and this has turned into just a lovely duo. And you know what? As far as Katie's arc this season, rough start. We were both questioning, is she fit for the show? Can she do this? Is she Amory 2.0? Exactly. We

were nervous about her start for sure, but she found her place. And to say that two of the newer additions, obviously Jen's been on the show prior last year, but two relatively newbies, and one actual newbie are able to have this much real estate in some of the OG's heads is impressive. The fact that Katie has been a Thorne and Heather's side for 16 episodes speaks volumes of how much she's doing to Heather. Like that doesn't happen. Do bros very quick to be able to like, Pip, I'm done with you.

I don't have time for this. We've seen her try to do it all season. And at the end of the season, it comes back up. But it's interesting. You're bringing the Katie shit back up now that you and Tamara have started hanging out. Is she poking the bear a little bit? You get a little frustrated. Oh, yeah.

Is Tamer in your ear a little bit? Yeah. It's just so interesting to see it. But to watch these two newcomers eat. They're just eating. They're doing their thing. It's fucking great to see it. And I don't think what happens.

If Katie wasn't aligning herself with Jen and Tamer didn't see that, I don't think that Tamara's going to poke the bear. I agree. Go to Heather and say, oh, you know, there's more here. And Katie's involved because her daughter was involved with Emily's kids. Like, none of that really would have happened if it wasn't just a for Tamara to get back at Jett. She sees them for your friendship.

I know. She does it with Shannon too. That's a really good point. Yeah, it's just so fucking easy to see what her game plan is at all times. And I just don't get it. Is it one of those situations where like if you're like, say your brother loses a bunch of weight, but you see them every day so you don't really notice. But then you see them like six months later and you're like, oh, wow, dude, like you look great.

Is it one of those situations? They're too close and they can't see it. They need to take a step back. potentially i don't know what's going on i think what's happening put on my psychologist hat for a second here i think what's happening what i'm seeing now that we're talking it out is insecurity obviously yeah but i think that if you look at how she handles the gen situation and she's clearly in heather's ear about katy i think because why is heather bringing this back up now that's weird so if she's in heather's ear about that and she's in everybody's ear about shannon because

Shannon and Jenner forming a friendship. Katie and Jenner forming a friendship. I think that she has so few friends that she sees when her friends start to push away from her, she gets insecure. And she lashes out at the people that are forming the friendships with somebody that she used to have a relationship with. Without the foresight of understanding, you're the one that did this or the hindsight, without being able to go, hmm, maybe I'm the common denominator here. But instead, she looks at the new friendships being formed and the lack of her current

friendship with her former friend and goes, fuck that, I'm going to ruin this because why are you not friends with me anymore? Because she's not aware, they're not friends with you because of how you treat them. And now they're forming friendships with each other because they've all been treated like shit by you. You're actually giving them common ground. You're forming better friendships for these people. You're actually doing a service. Yeah. That's doing a good job. There you go. There's your credit, Tamara. You're doing a nice thing by being mean to everybody. You push them closer together and further away from you. Then she gets insecure and lashes out. That's what I think it is.

but there you go we get to talk about Travis's balls once again i think that's four four times this season so two sacks two sacks worth of uh conversations about travis's nuts and like jesus says it because isn't that a good thing i don't know now because if there are sides of those fruits i think those are pomegranates um that's not good they shouldn't be that big yeah and jena didn't really back off and say that she was exaggerating She just said, yeah, they're big balls. What do you want? She said if it's been a while, they look like that.

I'm like, oh, no. No, that's Travis. Travis. I hope you're good. But at the same time, it just sounds uncomfortable, honestly. Yeah. But at least we get one moment of clarity from Heather Dubrow. And she tells Tamara, look, talk to Jen, take accountability, apologize, and do it soon.

And Tamara's like, well, she gave me the chance. No, no, no. Don't do that. Everyone's given you multiple chances. you've had your chance to make amends you have yet to do it just go up to her tomorrow and say i'm sorry as you said take the pill shut up and let's move on from this whole thing i'm like all right that was nice and then immediately after she starts complaining about katie again i'm like god damn it like what the fuck is going on and then tamer takes an opportunity to throw another

story out here and this is my point dude this is where i'm i'm so confused by everyone in this group that they don't see this. It's like she's doing it again because she immediately is like, oh, well, do you hear what happened with Gina and Travis? Shannon called me and was trying to get more information whether or not Gina pushed Travis down the stairs. And if everyone remembers when Travis was going through the thick of it with his ex and things were getting super messy, she was saying a lot of things about their marriage or

about their relationship and things that Travis had done, things that Gina did to Travis, hitting Travis, throwing him like that kind of shit, crazy stuff that Gina has tried very carefully to keep in her rearview mirror, does not want to address it on the show, doesn't want to bring it up, here we are again. Tamara sees an opportunity, takes the opportunity to say, hmm, you guys think that Shannon's like clean and everything, but she was asking if Gina pushed Travis down the stairs. When that sentence came out, and I've seen, I saw it in a trailer before, but I remember the first time seeing it like, what? Like, we're doing this now? We're going with spousal abuse.

That's the route we're going to take because an X that he's locked in a heated debate with, a battle with trying to get away from to the point that Gina moved out or forced him to move out. We're going to throw that back in the ring in episode 16. And in the season, we're going to bring this one up. All right, fine. And you wonder why people get upset with you. Well, I mean, like, let's just break it down to what it is. You get called out with text evidence that you ran a background check on.

Jen's boyfriend. Yep. We got proof. Yes. You get attacked, quote unquote. Confronted is probably the better word. You get confronted by Jen after Shannon shares that evidence and look and say, this is Shannon's fault. I know the best way to get back at her.

I'm going to bring up spousal abuse. Yes. Here's the scale. One heavily outweighs the other. Tamara doesn't realize that. Tamara doesn't give a shit. All she cares about is her own. well-being and she feels like if she can throw this out there it'll create so much chaos it's

an atomic bomb it's gonna work and nobody's gonna come after me anymore and i can sit back and smirk that's all she wants to do she just wants to watch the chaos unfold in front of her to drop a bomb and then do that and that's what she always does usually it's not a fucking atomic bomb like this but this is what she wants to do that's what she always wants to do as soon as she gets pushed into a corner and it looks like things might be turning out a little different for tamer where people are going to go after her. Nope, I'm going to throw something else out there

and they're going to start fighting and I'm going to get out scot-free. It's fucking deplorable. She's disgusting. She is just a disgusting person. And of course she's going to do something like this. It's fucking awful. The best part is, as this is going on,

we get a side-by-side-side scene of Gina, questioning whether or not Tamara would ever do this to her. And I'm like, she's doing it currently. As you're saying this, she's doing it literally right now. But we get to the sprinter van. And as we know, but we get to the next morning and we find out that Heather has told the entire group about the Sonoma conversation that she had with Shannon.

Shannon made it abundantly clear. And we got video evidence, thank God to prove it this episode. Hey, I don't want to talk about this to other people. Heather repeats it back to her. This doesn't have to go to the group. That's an understanding.

That is a verbal agreement. This is a girl talk. I need my friend right now. I'm confiding in you. Let's keep this here. If she chooses to share that with another person, that's Shannon's prerogative. She's allowed to do that. It's her story and her life.

It's not your prerogative to do that. And it's definitely not your prerogative to then be like, oh, well, you already talked about it with so-and-so, and you already talked about it on Jeff Lewis. You already did this and that. You don't get to dictate when she shares what. Yep. And if you look at it for what it is and you keep bringing up a fucking Jeff Lewis podcast, of course, she's not going to sit there on a lot.

live radio show that hundreds of thousands of people are going to listen to and millions are going to watch the clip of that she's going to do all of this. Like, yes, we talked about it before. She's going to do it on the show because she's confiding in a friend. And by the time that the show comes out, maybe all of it will be blown over or she'll at very least be in a much better place. But right now, she's in a fragile place. She's talking to her friends. She's confiding in her friends. I, up until the last scene where Shannon and Heather are sitting down and Heather brings up that Tamara already knew, I really did have a theory. go in there that once again

either maybe Shannon had butt dialed Tamara or maybe something else happened and Tamara was privy to a conversation that she wasn't supposed to be privy to. That's what I thought happens. I figured that maybe Shannon was talking to her daughters about it. Maybe Shannon was talking to her lawyer about it.

Who the fuck knows? Maybe she was talking to Vicky about it. I don't know. But I figured that Tamara had heard that conversation by from some third party that she wasn't actually involved and then chose to tell Heather. So yeah, that's kind of That's what we think of Tamara judge at this point. But still, I fully agree with you.

If she's going to take the time in a very, very breakdown-esque conversation and tell you, hey, don't share this with anybody. Don't fucking share it with anybody. Shut up about it. Don't compare notes because you found out from somebody else. Like, all right, fine. If you find out and Tamara offers that information for herself and you know, then okay, she already knows you guys can talk about it amongst yourselves.

That doesn't mean that she told everybody. you don't get to go have gossipy conversations about the lowest point of someone's life and then try to say that you're doing it from a place of concern because you're worried about her well-being and you want her to be in a good place that's not going to fucking help that's just you being a gossip that's all it is yeah that's 100% what it is but we get to the sprinter van and shannon's all fucked up needs an enema and katie's nice enough to offer to do it a crazy offer crazy offer but you know what it without this season is gone and the

references to butt stuff that we've had forced upon us via Tamara. This is how you incorporate butt stuff organically. Do you need help with your anima? Yeah. It's really fucking funny. But it's also really funny to me that the

we're not tourist people. I want to do a touristy picture. Take an Abbey Road photo. I'm like, okay. So not even on Avenue. They're not even on Abbey Road. How lazy it can't be that far go to Abby you're doing an Abby

I have no idea probably I mean they're from Liverpool though it makes sense Liverpool oh you want to go to Liverpool I'll piss a lot of people off

with my Liverpool accent you're just doing the you're just doing the Dewey Cox except but yeah I wasn't that's why where I got her from but I'm so impish and whimsical

right But anyway, Emily Tamer and Heather sit down, and the kid stuff comes up immediately. And Emily says what I think most people would say in this scenario is like, I wasn't going to talk about this. I was going to let this one lie because we're talking about children. He said, she said, via kids, and who knows how it went down. We have a friendship, Heather. Let's not do this where we're going to drag in a third party under the age of 18 to try to decipher what was said about whom. okay let's just chalk it up for what it was maybe maybe the kids caught emily an event

sesh and she said some shit that heather was being mean to her there's no telling what the background of this story is especially because heather or sorry emily's not going to go home it was probably Shane probably was Shane honestly he's by drinking his big gulp he's like you know what heathers there's really mean when the kids heard that yeah but that's my point because Emily's not going to go home and sit her eight year old down and be like hey, what did you say about Heather? Let's get into the bottom of this, you little shit stir, because that's not going to happen. Most normal people would be like, it's a child.

Let's just let this one lie. Hey, Emily, what happened? Are we good? Because I heard this. That's the appropriate way to approach. That's the approach, for sure. Yeah, like, let's talk about this. I heard some things.

Is this true? Like, what happened? And then you get to the bottom of it. Then you retain your friendship. You don't need to burn the friendship down because if he said, she said involving eight-year-olds. That's the point that we've gotten to right now. but of course it just comes back to Katie because why wouldn't it come back to Katie

and she's like she fucked with the wrong Marine it's like oh you're really coming off as corny now and it's such a it's such a shame to watch the the downfall of Dubrow in the last four weeks of the season you were so close to just doing what you always do that you were that close to just being you and here we see this big regression into Tamara's minion honestly because if you're looking

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Here I come. One battle after another. Only in theater, September 26th. Experienced in IMAX. It comes out that Shannon's all backed up, and Tamara's responses, oh, she probably feels really bad for what she did. What do you mean? In regards to Gina.

Oh, is it bad? And both her and Heather just not, mm. Which tells me that they've talked about this. This is all planned. it's messy as shit it doesn't correlate but they're both like hmm it's really bad it's really really bad fucking sense because shannon doesn't know what you're talking about yeah so why we should be back up from that she's not going to be again this is the same thing as playing that fucking game at dinner and just phantom constipation why am i

constipated what did i do wrong i keep thinking about how i looked up articles about gina and Travis that's what happens it was two years ago like no that's just it's it's fucking insane to me. There's no context. You guys can't sit there with a straight face and say, yeah, she's definitely backed up because of what she did two years ago that she doesn't remember doing because she probably didn't fucking do it. And it's just Tamara spinning a story and just throwing false narratives out there. It's insane to me that that's the way that they started this. It's wild. You know what probably happened once again? Was there a conversation between Tamara and Shannon? Probably. And did they bring up that topic? Yeah, probably. And maybe somebody

alluded to, I wish we had more information on this. I don't, I truly don't believe that she's like, I need your lawyer to dig in. So I have ammo for the reunion in regards to Gina pushing Travis down the stairs. And thank God, Emily says it. She's like, do we understand the gravity of this? Do we know what we're playing with right now? This is a big accusation. It's a big claim.

We've done this already. It's been in the press before. Bringing this back up is is dirty pool. Like this is not a good move. And it's weird again that Heather's attaching herself. She's willingly going along with it, and it's such a damning accusation. It's pretty crazy to me, but they get to the... It's also, it's just fucking insane that they do not consider the collateral damage.

That's a terrible, terrible story that Gina has had to live with, that Gina has had to completely uproot her entire life to deal with all of those things. And that being the worst accusation of all, I'm assuming. And you're just going to use it so that you can get back at Shannon because she showed Jen that you were doing a background check on Ryan? which you still deny, by the way, even though there is text evidence, but there's no text evidence of this. This is just from the vault.

This is from Tamer's the vault. We had a conversation on it. We got to get Taylor Armstrong on the phone so that she can get her husband involved in this. Like, fuck off. Fuck off. Just no. When they brought up Taylor,

I was like, wow, we're really reaching back here. We're really trying to find some shit. Like we got Taylor back involved with the show now, like Jesus Christ. But they get to the, I think it's called the look of time. I'm not sure.

It looks just like a restaurant. They're doing like an English roast, which I thought was going to be more to it. They all just order roast chicken. They all got roast chicken. I know. It would be like a fucking pot roast. Like a pig or a pot roast or something. They're like, love the roast chicken.

I'm like, that's very standard. It's a Sunday roast. They do Sunday roast there and it's beef, not chicken. So is it? I don't even know. I'm the chef and I'm not even sure. I was expecting a lot more from that or like a beef Wellington perhaps. Like something.

But no, it's just chicken, which whatever, but Heather asks Shannon, hey, why's your back turn to me? What's going on? Hey, Shan. Hello. Are you mad at me? Let's go talk. You're going to talk? Let's go talk.

I know we're going to be upset in two minutes, but it's nice out here. Should I bring my drink? Yeah, bring your drink. Yeah, definitely bring your drink. Whatever. But they start talking. Shannon immediately brings up, hey, I told you all that stuff about Sonoma or in Sonoma in confidence. I turn around. The entire group knows what the fuck's going on. Heather,

who usually has her ducks more in a row, goes with the, I thought that we were allowed to tell people defense. And we immediately cut to the footage where it's like, I don't want people. Heather cuts her off to say, we don't have to take this to the group. Again, verbal agreement. And Heather immediately gets overly defensive. It's like, this is bullshit. I find this a little bit a bullshit. I don't remember you telling me not to tell anybody. We get the clip. Heather DeFlex again and says Tamara knew. Everybody knew you were on Jeff Lewis. Once again, if you look at what she said on Jeff Lewis, she said, I don't recall. I don't want to talk about it. That's what she said to her. Did she talk to Tamara? Yeah, probably. For some reason, Shannon confided in Tamara a lot

over the years. You know, it is what it is. It is what it is. But again, that was her decision to talk to Tamara about it. Like you said earlier, if Tamara now wants to talk to Heather, because they both know and have a conversation amongst themselves, fine. You're both privy to the information. You want to chat about it about your friend. By all means, when you bring other people into it, you're putting the onus on you. You took the responsibility of, I'm going to share this with the group. Now you got caught.

And instead of, and this is what pisses me off about Heather, this is not one of my favorite qualities. When she is caught, it's never, I'm sorry because it's I'm sorry if. If I did that, I didn't know that we weren't allowed. to tell people. So if I upset you, I'm sorry. That's not the same thing. That's not a real apology. You're not taking any accountability. You're saying, I misunderstood the situation. It's not my fault, but I'm sorry if I upset you. You know what you did. You didn't have to tell everybody. You have this weird thing with Shannon now because you're hanging in with Tamara, because

you're hanging out with Tamara. So now you're pointed at Shannon once again, which is weird. You don't need to be on this team. She's got enough going on. And when you get called out, instead of like you just said to Tamara not 12 hours ago take accountability proofs in the pudding you take accountability just say sorry shut the fuck up and just say sorry I didn't know sorry I especially love that Heather uses

the almost immediately why are we still doing this like why are you bringing this up now why is this happening right now Heather what did you do on the first night of the trip you brought up the whole mammogram situation that nobody had any idea what the fuck was going on and you use that even though it happened days prior and held on to it so that you could do this on camera. If that's still what you're holding on to that Shannon is doing things

on this show that she wouldn't do off the show, you're doing the same thing. So I don't understand where your confusion lies. I don't get it. Nothing she said made any sense. I don't understand her argument about Jeff Lewis. The Jeff Lewis thing is very cut and dry. She didn't want to talk about it on Jeff Lewis. She avoided the question and the best way to do that, is to say, I'm not sure. Talking to her best friend one-on-one, yes, there's cameras there, is way different. And she told you, and it's one of those things where, yes, maybe if Shannon said, you know, I really don't want the rest of the group to know this and she prefaced it by that and then went

into it and you kind of forgot about it, fine, I guess, you know, it's still fucking dirty to go to the rest of the group and say that you heard about this. But you agreed. You cut her off and you verbally agreed. So no. Like, how do you not remember doing that? But again, what would propel you to go talk to the rest of the group about something this horrific, this is this very sensitive material, and you're going to go talk about it to everybody else? We know that not everybody is best friends in this group.

You told everybody in the group. And what's going to happen when everybody knows? They're going to spill the beans to people like Alexis. Then it's going to get back to Johnny Jay. Then they're going to use it against her. Like this is what fucking happens. It's very sensitive. Leave it there.

Like it's just crazy to me that she doesn't have, she doesn't have any logic. her brain to just say, you know what, why do I need to continue to talk about this? It's not my life. Instead, she says, it's like when David cheated on you. I'm like, oh, great, let's bring that up. Why? What are you doing? Any other traumatic experiences you want to bring up from Shannon's life to compare this to? It's the weirdest apology, quote unquote, I've ever seen. And even when it's all said and done, it's not a real apology. She said, if I upset you, I'm sorry. Shannon's like, let's go inside. Like, fuck this, whatever. But we get back inside. And, Tamara is operating like a sleuth, like fucking Sherlock Holmes as she like walks around the table.

Like she just on earth this big fucking bomb and she's like, what was Shannon's motivation? I was so upset last night. I just, I couldn't sleep because I don't understand what her motivation was. And Gina's like, oh yeah, I think that she owes you an apology too, Jen, which took me a little while to understand. And it's like, okay, Jen did get caught in the middle. All right. and Gina's now getting pulled into the middle as well. So could Shannon say like, hey, sorry you got dragged into this?

Yeah, I could see that. So I didn't think that was completely out of left field for Gina. But then Tamara's like, I felt like I was watching Glass Onion, like knives out. She's like, what if I told you? And she goes into the Travis Stairs thing. What if I told you that Shannon was digging around for more information about you pushing Travis down the stairs? Would that interest you? And of course, Gina's like, she rolls her eyes a little bit.

She's like, well, did that happen? Like, what's going on now? And it cuts to a confessional with Gina. And this is what we were thinking. And I'm sure what a lot of people were thinking. And Gina's like, I have separated this from my life. This happened. It was a nightmare to deal with Travis's ex.

We're still dealing with the fallout to the point that he has moved out of our house together. I've tried to put this away. And because of this, I now have to readdress. this. This now has to be a topic of conversation that I'm going to have to vindicate not only myself, but Travis, my entire family is now getting involved in this because Tamara wanted to take a low dig and bring up something from the past that doesn't even involve Shannon potentially. And to the extent of if she is involved, we don't really know because it's going to be more he said, she said, we're not going to get to the bottom of it. So this is not a good move if you're

trying to garner support from the rest of the group. But once again, the fact that people sit there and allow Tamara to even discuss it. I'm like, guys, she's doing it right now. We've watched her do it all season with Ryan. We cut to the scene of her with the FBI thing at the car when she's trying to talk some shit about that. This is her MO. It's her move.

And she goes immediately to, I don't dig on people like I never dig. And you hurt my feelings, Gina. And then that immediately, I'm like, oh, that's why you're doing this. She hurt your feelings because she said, would you ever do this to me? which is a valid question because if somebody's in my inner circle that's acting like that, I would 100% be like, are you going to fuck me over too? Like, what's your problem? Why do you have problems with people all the time?

But she was butt hurt that Gina even said that to her. She's like, all right, fuck you, Gina. I'm bringing this back up and I'm going to use it to go after Shannon. And I'm going to pull in Taylor and her husband to corroborate it. Why would we sit here and believe all of this hearsay from people that aren't on the show from a topic that we haven't talked about in a very long time. Yep. Something that's not involving Gina,

and now you're dragging Gina into the middle of it. Well, it just doesn't make any sense either. And again, we talk about this all the time that nobody steps in. I guess maybe at some point during the day, she sort of like neutered Emily because she started talking about Emily's kids, so now Emily doesn't want to jump in.

She's been going after Jen. I'm surprised that Jen didn't get involved just because she is an axe to grind against Tamara. I honestly figured the gem was just going to jump right in and be like, fuck off Tamara. Enough of this bullshit because she's got ahead of steam going. I would have loved to have seen that because you need to have Jen going after Tamara at this point. But again, isn't this just proving that you do what Gina just asked you that you do?

Yes. Because anybody with eyes, anybody with a brain, and we even said this last week that Shannon took a screenshot of the text message. because it doesn't show what Shannon said in response. Shannon was probably saying, let me know what you find out from that background check. Because I'm a little curious too. That's how they operate.

We know that. But Tamara doing this just confirms that you and Shannon were talking shit about those articles that were coming out. And Shannon, if she did this, which I don't really think that Shannon did just based off of her reaction. But if Shannon did this, you were still part of it, Tamara. You're just proving that you do what Gina asked if you do. or if you would ever do.

So it's so fucking dumb because Gina's immediate reaction should be, okay, so you were talking about doing that. You were looking into that. You were reading the articles instead of just asking me if I was okay. Because I guarantee you that Tamara didn't reach out to say, are you okay, unless she had an ulterior motive to use that against her in the future because she's fucking terrible. It's just so dumb to me and it's bizarre to me that nobody sees this happening.

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she just repeats what you said back to her. And that happens later. Yeah, because you hear the insecurity is starting to come out. You did this to drive a wedge in our friendship. Jen and I, Shannon, you just want us to not be friends, whatever. And she brings up, what did you do at the party? You at the car told Katie to ask about the FBI. I didn't do that.

You don't think that's going to drive a wedge in your friendship with Jen. Your behavior is what drives a wedge. And Shannon finally says, you get drunk, you say stupid shit, and then you apologize. Because Shannon's response was, I apologize for that. Apologies don't wipe the slate clean. If it's repeat behavior, especially actions speak louder than words. You keep doing this shit. So people aren't taking your apology seriously.

You, for whatever reason, think that I'm sorry means we're cool. It doesn't. They have to accept your apology and be willing to move on, which nobody is because you repeat your behavior all the time. And after Shannon calls out Tamara, her only response is, well, at least I didn't drive my car into a house. It's like, that's all you got. Like, you really have nothing more to say. You have nothing more to bring to the table. And Jen's like, you hurt Ryan.

You hurt Ryan. She's like, well, he hurt me. I'm like, you have nothing. You got absolutely nothing to add. How exactly did Ryan hurt her again? I don't know. Is she like if we had, if we were to ask Tamara, how exactly, because that's the first question that popped into my head, how exactly did Ryan hurt you? because he was potentially

hooking up with other women at the gym and you didn't like that behavior because Steele's theory that he didn't want to hook up with you or was it because he went on a podcast and said absolutely nothing about your family but you turned it into he completely ripped my family apart

I just said he hadn't heard nice things nothing positive that's all compared to what you said about him that's light word like she she's just insane like every response is that you're the victim and you're not you are the biggest perpetrator of all this is what you do at least fucking own it people would have so much more respect for you and by people i mean the viewers might have more respect for you if you would just own it if you were just a villain and did be genuine card when you got pushed

against the ropes and that's what she does and it's just fucking it's it's it's fun to watch because we like to watch people go against her and we like to watch people realize what she's doing but at the same time it's really tough to watch because not enough people go after her for all the shit that she does. And it's just the simple lack of common sense where I'm like, how can you not see this? How do you continue to do this and then get surprised at the backlash? And then you do the apology tour, which never goes well. No one believes you anymore. And then you expect people to be friends with you again.

And to her credit, maybe it's because up until this point, people have become friends with her again. But I think we're starting to see the other shoe fall finally because you got housewives crawling out of the woodwork to say, yeah, she did this to me too, way back. Like, fuck her. She stinks. So, I don't know. It's just, it's wacky to watch over and over and over and over again, the same exact playbook with no deviation. It's even more bizarre to see Heather jumping along for the ride now, who is usually very intelligent with how she approaches drama and the game of housewives overall. She usually is pretty good at stepping in when she wants. being able to pull back.

But you've now attached to yourself to somebody that's going to leave her mark on you. You're not going to walk away from this one clean. And this episode is proof of that. I don't think we've ever spent this much time talking about Heather. No. And if we have, it hasn't been in like a fully negative light. But this was just baffling to me.

And you would think that she would make a better decision on who to align with or just do what you normally do. And don't align with anybody. Just be Heather do, yeah. Yeah. So. fucking, I mean,

16 phenomenal episodes. We've never had that. We've never had a run of a clean season. And we're looking at one now if they can put it to bed next week with the season finale. And then, fuck it.

If you give me 17 solid episodes, I will happily sit through three reunions because I don't want to end. But why don't we get to some questions? Oh, interesting. Kelly D-512 says, Tamer bring Jen on because she was jealous of her friendship with Eddie. Oh, that would be pretty interesting.

That is very interesting because she is a very insecure person. And if she sees Eddie vibing with somebody that looks like Jen, I would imagine that would cause some stir. Yeah. That's a good way to look at it. I'm going to sleep on that one. Yeah, let me know. next week from sissa ha sisi ha si saha i haven't done these in a while uh do you think tamer will come back next year we know

that she needs the show and the show needs her but is that maybe a toxic combo um back and forth yeah go yeah no i i i mean my ideal situation is just based off of what's going on around the housewives world around oc with everybody coming out of the woodwork and saying the tamer is a terrible person. I would love an entire season of Tamara playing defense. You bring somebody like Vicky back. I know that there's some issues surrounding Kelly Dodd right now, but bring she cannot come back.

No, she can't come back, but bring Gretchen back, bring other people back that have issues with Tamara and let's align an entire cast against Tamara. And look, if she's able to endure an entire season of eating shit, she deserves to continue on this show until she just can't anymore. I agree with you. I would give her the utmost respect for enduring an entire season of that because it looks like everybody's sharpening their pitchforks and going after her. They need to make her play defense because she has never played defense.

She only plays offense and somehow just snakes her way out of it. So I need to see that. That's my ideal situation. For the generalized question, yeah, of course she's going to come back next year because she needs the show. The show does unfortunately need her. as plurable as she is, but yeah, she'll be back. Yeah, we've never said get her off our screens.

Like, we know what she does. It's just, yeah, I think you're right. If that's the approach next year, that would be really interesting to watch. And yeah, she would earn respect from a lot of people, I think, if she took a beating for an entire season and stuck it out and then came back again, yeah, fine. But that's literally what everyone around her is telling her to do. Look, just fucking take accountability. Give me a season of you taking accountability and listening to people without jumping down their throat

or digging up some nonsense from two, three, four years ago. Yep. Ryan, I'll do it for you, pal. Ryan, Stoneman 83. If Tamara didn't activate Jen last season and this season, would she have been won and done? We gave credit earlier that this may not have happened. We may not have seen the rise of Jen if it weren't for Tamara. So I'll give you that one, Ryan.

I don't know if we would have gotten all of this out of Jen without Tamara. So it might have been a necessary evil. So I'll give you that one, pal, if you're still listening. Something tells me Ryan might have turned this episode off. We did do. We did say that she's done a good service because she's been mean and pitted people against each other, which just makes them good friends. So she's created friendships.

So we did say something nice about Tamara today. You're welcome, Ryan. Keep coming back. Dude, this still tree fab lady needs to fuck off. I know. She was the one that was involved in all of the shit on Twitter and stuff. and she always tries to like send us like behind the scenes things i i i've oh interesting from re hinder later re yep think heather will double down on her tamara support at the reunion

or soften it a bit uh i think she's going to soften it a bit i think heather starts to distance herself based off of current events i would imagine i would hope she she's usually very calculated with how she moves. So I would hope, but I guess we'll see. Let's do two more. If you must choose, this is from Simply Oni,

if you must choose one to return to a new season, Jared Osmond or Johnny Jay? Jared Osmond. Yeah, he hasn't done enough yet to get on my shit list. He's close.

He's very close. Ask us again at the end of Salt Lake. Yeah, we're only six episodes in. It could shift monumentally. That's crazy. I feel like we have gotten so much out of Salt Lake already, and it's only been six episodes.

It's fantastic. Fucking phenomenal. Ah, we'll do it two more because I like this one. From Ella Lani, Alexis who? Damn right. I don't know who we're talking about. Never heard of her. And the last one.

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We needed it. Team looked great. Jalen looked phenomenal. It makes me excited. Nikobe Dean. Cooper de John? Who'd have thought, dude? I'm fucking so stoked.

And we're going to go in next week, way too confident. And they'll remind us of why we're Philly fans. But hey, for now, against the Trevor Lawrence is going to shove it up our ass. But hey, at least we had this week. We'll lose that one for Doug. Let Doug keep his job for another week. At least there's a silver lining there where Doug E.P.

gets the dub but uh yeah just uh we wanted to split this up into two episodes we've been doing this for an hour and a half with no break that's uh long boy i remember watching i told you it was like i'll knock it out quick and nope sure didn't lot going on but bravo as a whole just keep it up these recent weeks have been some of the best overall bravo i think i've watched just lots of shows firing in all cylinders so yeah it's it's it's It's nice to be excited about watching a show pretty much every day of the week. Yeah, exactly. But you got anything else?

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