Bros & Shows - The Traitors Season 3 Premiere Full Recap (Traitors s3ep01 Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

What's up Bros? Its TRAITORS TIME and we've been waiting for this one. First things first, yes, we did it, we changed our name, but we will forever be your BravBros and BravBros 4 life. Now back to business. We get introduced to our cast, and its a very solid list. 4 housewives, a Sandoval, a mysogynist royal, Survivor, Big Brother, Ru Paul, this cast has it all. There are already some tensions in the crew from previous beefs on their respective shows. Danielle has it in for Brittany, Carolyne has an issue with Tony, and it appears that some peoples reputations precede themselves... Our first challenge is anyone can sacrifice a current castmember and swap them with Boston Rob of Survivor lore. Nobody takes the deal thus exiling Rob. The cast gets settled in with one another and the traitors are selected. We have our first event at the row challenge and all four housewives sacrifice themselves. Ivar makes it very apparent that he thinks the women of the group are incapable of a physical challenge, but DQ Bob speaks up and calls it out. But it does create an interesting dynamic in the group which is something this show does so well. 6 of the 8 sacrificed during the first challenge are up for elimination. Those that remained on the boat have immunity thus leaving 4 housewives, Bob Harper and Sam, Brittney Spears ex husband. The traitors convene at the end to select someone to murder and Alan Cummings heads to the woods to reveal a twist in the game... Give your home the refresh it needs with Wayfair, just head to Wayfair.com. Every style. Every home. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and the best part about this show is from now until we're done covering it I get to say every week oh no you've been murdered God any excuse for you to just get into any sort of accent whatever it might be sometimes they are horrific and they usually end up going back to an English accent or Australia or Australian yeah Australian is probably a little bit more standard for you but I agree this one yeah and the problem with this show is and we love it this is our first time covering traders they drop three episodes so i am super tantalized to just keep going but for just the i guess the sake of our audience no spoilers we're covering episode one right now and that is what we're covering i am not going to

allude to anything else i wanted to just sit here and be like oh yeah i just watched the first episode i couldn't i watched the first episode and i'm like i have to know what happened was that i have Brows and Shows, Brows and Shows, I got to have me now, Bros and Shows. Good afternoon, everybody, or good morning, and welcome to the first official episode of Brows and Shows and Shows and we are formerly the Brawpros and forever your brawpros. Let's be honest here, but I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only show Termagau-Tur. She's going to get so bad. It is going to get really bad. And, you know, talking before we started the episode, you were excited.

excited at the prospect of being able to pull out your Scottish accent whenever you want. And it is relevant, which is bad news for everybody listening and bad news for me. Because at some point, I, I'm just waiting for the Scottish accent to turn into an Australian accent because that tends to be what you do. But either way, we are pumped to cover traders. This is our first ever Bros and Shows episode. It's our first traders coverage. And we are going to keep it to season three, episode one. And that's it for this one.

That's what we're doing today. We're not going to leak into the next. Oh, I don't like that. We're not going to eke into the next. Is Eke any better? He's way better than leak. We're not going to eke into episode two and three. What we're going to do is either, I don't know, Monday or Tuesday, it'll drop.

Goots has a wedding this weekend, so he's MIA. So we're going to try to get it out as soon as we possibly can. So we stay on time with traders. We want to keep this one up to speed. But we're going to do a joint episode next week of two and three. will probably separate it into two parts. But we're going to hammer all of that out at once. But we wanted to get this one out.

First thing, Monday. That's why we're releasing Monday at midnight. So I guess Sunday, it's actually Monday because it's midnight. And that's how time works. My first impression of this, I mean, I've watched bits and pieces of season one and two. And not because I didn't want to. It's just we were covering so many things that I didn't have time to really dive into it but i've always enjoyed it i was waiting to get that feeling that everybody seems to talk

about when they watch this show where it's like it's just the best a top to bottom everything about it's like so so good and i was captivated almost instantly it took no time at all for me to be like i get it i totally get why right i love the way it's shot alan cummings is a fucking genius i'll watch anything with him anyway but this is such a perfect role for him uh the cast of this season in particular. I think maybe it's because of all the crossover we get, but it's interesting to see, you know, the other people from different backgrounds. You got the survivor peeps. You got selling sunset. You got Rupal's drag race. You got the biggest loser in Bob Harper, which that was a massive Bob Harper fan. Not going to live. Yeah, you were a biggest

loser guy. I was a huge biggest loser guy until I learned about the not so great practices that were occurring. The biggest loser. It wasn't super healthy for those people, apparently. But yeah, I was biggest loser fan uh but i'm stoked dude i love this fucking show i think i get it i totally get it no i fully understand the appeal i actually uh didn't i did i got bits and pieces two of season two and some clips of season one i think that i watched the reunion from season two about 10 times because my girlfriend kept saying let's let's watch it we'll watch it and it was just the same reunion episode and i'm like all right i need to watch the season to understand what's going on but even the reunion was captivating without knowing

all the idiots announced of what happened. So I'm pumped to cover it. And I don't think we should waste any more time. Why don't we just hop into it? Let's dive in real quick. But we get our intros right out at the gate. And there's a lot of people I don't know because I'm not, we've pretty much been Bravo Central for the past few years. I watched Survivor forever ago. It was always a fan of Survivor. I watched a little big brother and stuff like that, but the other shows I'm not too familiar with. But the intros that we get, because I wanted to highlight the early tensions because obviously they put people on this show that have some previous beefs to drive the tension and out of the gate you got tony versus jeremy from survivor

i guess tony whack jeremy at some point carolin also from survivor and she know i guess this tony dude is is a bad mofo in the survivor universe so immediately i'm locked in on tony and we'll talk about some prop bets and who we got out of the gate who we think's going to win this game but it's an unlikely cast of characters. You get Dylan Ephron, who I didn't know about. I'm not going to lie. Bob Harper. You get Sierra, Dorinda, Sandoval. Those are the big ones for me. I forgot Robin was on it. Had no idea Ion was on it. Chanel Ion from Dubai. But we talked about this a little bit beforehand. And we have differing opinions. I am staunchly rooting for my Bravo people except for Sandoval. You have a different take. I have a very different take.

is really funny because it came to me probably about three quarters of the way through the first episode. And look, I think what would have been great for me, and maybe it's not all of the Bravo people, but I want Sandoval out of there as quickly as possible. I want Robin out of there as quickly as possible. I was tired of Robin last year on Potomac, and I didn't really want her back on my screen. So the quicker she gets out of there, the better. And that's just my take on it. And once things started to evolve, I realized, I kind of just don't care about the Bravo people. I want to see the gameplay. I want to see how people start to like really pit each other against each other and just kind of like move around and silence. Like that's what this game is all about.

That's what the show is all about. But you're underestimating housewives, I think. I am, I am correctly estimating the housewives. They are not good at this game. They are dufuses. Did you not see Alan Cummings quote about housewives? That they're a bunch of moist housewives out on the pontoons. No, there are a bunch of morons that don't know how to play the game. that's what he said sometimes blissful ignorance plays well i will always be afraid of an activated derinda okay she got activated very quickly they pissed her off and you might want to say it about okay doloh yeah she's super nice we love dolores but she's very nice right ion doesn't even know

what game she's playing which is that's pretty fun i think dolores could be ruthless if she needs to be she just has to learn how to do that and we see that when she's sitting down with all in a little bit later talking about how this is her excuse to be bad because she wants to be a traitor but look ion ion ion can stay she's not going to win the game but ion can stay just because she is so oblivious to all the things happen and she's just sitting down trying to understand how this works she has no idea and i love that i think that's really funny traitors ion she's like she's like yeah i don't really know what the hell is going on i need somebody to teach me the game it's like she did no research on the game and i love that i love the blissful ignorance from her

because she's just there to have a good time and just show off her outfits. That's all she really wants to do. And I appreciate that. Dorinda, I want Durinda to stay forever. I want her because I do think that she's one of the people on this show that's Bravo-centric that can actually do really well in this setting. She's a formidable opponent.

Yeah, yeah. And Sandoval, I just went off my screen immediately. As soon as he starts talking, I'm like, shut up, Tom, shut up, Tom. And I had that thought where it's like, if I didn't hate Tom Sandoval, if it was Tom Schwartz and he was saying all of the same things, if it was I don't know throw like Carl on there Kyle they could say all the exact same things that sandoval saying and I wouldn't even bat an eye and be like yeah I disagree I disagree with because of the timing of some of the things he said the way that he's saying it I think that it would I wouldn't

need them off like I need sandoval off yeah but it would raise alarms for me the way that he's moving and it's it's just how he is he can't help himself uh but like to direct he's the the most suspicious dude in the world and the funniest part to me is you got this cast of characters right you got some people that are infamous in the survivor world you got people that have gotten fucked over by other people there's a lot of people here that don't necessarily know everybody maybe they don't watch the show maybe they didn't see that season whatever the funniest part to me in all of this you got a cast called traitors and it's a lot of people that are historically known for being very nefarious in their gameplay on their respected shows correct everybody there

knows who Sandoval is and everybody there knows what he did and everybody there probably hates him because of how I think that thing was worldwide. Not everybody though. I really don't think that like the survivor people don't give a shit about him. It was Nikki Bella who immediately said

oh, I know who that is. How about that? There's a throwback. Yeah, right? Seriously. And then obviously we know that Kershell knows Ariana and she's friends with her. And the rest of them don't care, I don't think. I think they're just like, yeah, Tom, who, you don't see that on their faces.

Really, they're the only two. And I fully expect the women to know because it seems like they're friends with Ariana. So they're like, yeah, I'm not going to fucking talk to him. Of course not. I don't think somebody like Tony gives a shit with Tom's up to. He's probably going to use them as a pawn. And that's what I'm talking about. This is the thing is I feel like for Bravo people in this atmosphere because of the way that the game is played because they do kind of mix it all together where it's, yeah, we want the good moments, the reality moments.

And that's where the Bravo people come in. And then we need the gameplay moments. And that's where Survivor and Big Brother and, you know, I don't think Biggest Loser really comes into play with this. But we need people to, you know, pit each other against it and try to pull some strings in the background. That's what the show is all about. So I think what we're going to see is they're going to use the Bravo people as fodder. Let's just throw them out there. We'll use them as some way to just try to blame the trading, trading.

The trading. T-R-A-T-I-N-G. That's a word. Tradering. Tradering? That sounds worse. Trading sounds like a thing. sounds right yeah it sounds anyway we'll use them as an excuse or we'll use them as just like a smoke screen

because they don't know how to handle themselves and they're just going to talk themselves into oblivion which tom does derinda does and it's just like it's so funny because none of them really know how to play the game so i think that's what we're going to see and then at the end of this we're going to get all the survivor and big brother people against each other which i'm okay with because i do know a good amount of them no see here here's your oversight pal i agree with you the gameplay from those shows that are strategically based i.e. survivor especially that game's all about literally surviving and it's you know not just surviving the wilderness it's sketchy gameplay it's activities it's games all that stuff so you're correct that crew is designed for games like this okay but the problem

with that is because people know they're so calculated because people know that they're going to be good at this they're going to have a target on their back where the blissful ignorance of a bravo person for example or selling sunset or the biggest loser whatever it might be because of the lack of quote unquote gameplay that they do they'll be overlooked and people will see the people i think that if you're too good if you're tony level where you come in with a reputation people know who this guy is boston rob we're going to get to in a second stuff like that where people can look at you and go oh shit i'm afraid of that because i know what they're capable of that gets you a target whereas if you're somewhere in the middle, not Durinda, but I think that you're actually right with the

the Dolo potential. If she's able to figure out how to get a little snakey in this, I think that she has a good balance of being like nice, but also being able to be a little conniving. I think that if you're too good, you have a target because people are going to want to whack you because they don't want to get whacked by you. But I do think that you're going to see some manipulation of the Bravo peeps. I think they're more useful. I think you're right. Yes. Obviously, you're going to start thinking about people that are good at the game and you're going to put a target on their back thinking that they're traitors, but they're also very useful allies. The housewives aren't allies. They're just, unless one of them is a

traitor, which, you know, obviously things play out towards the end of this episode. We're going to try to make it look like they are. Unless one of them is a traitor, they're not useful at all, except for Canada Potter. So I think that you can see somebody like a Tony or a generous, I am, whatever, you can see somebody as a Tony or a Jeremy. This might be the most contentious podcast that we have because we are going to stodging all heated i'm not getting heated i'm not just settle down you're making side comments pal i see that i'm not i'm rolling my eyes at your mouth over yeah yeah yeah i'm rolling my eyes because i think that this is going to be fun if we're like this all season um i do think that you're just you're underestimating i think once you get him involved

dude dorinda she's been around she knows like old school roney what what happens to dendah we can't do this the whole time we're not spoiling it happens in this episode what who cares they i think that you needed the first activity the first game for them to just like figure out their shit i think they didn't realize what this game's about i think now they do and not only that you've got them with the vendetta because they got left out to see literally we'll get there eventually but let's get to the first reveal because you know you get everybody lined up everyone's chit chatting everyone's trying they're all just eyeing each other up sizing each other up whom i got to look out for we're getting a little bit of background too you know we're getting some background

here and there and you've got the whole maskless or mask mask mask not mask list the masked people are standing behind allan cummings he gives a great intro everybody leaves but one of course this is going to be somebody potentially entering the game i love that they kick it off with get rid of one person and here's where if i'm playing the game yeah and i have a chance to get rid of somebody i know is going to be sketchy even if it's replacing like you know with somebody in boston rob who even i have heard of boston rob and his his stint on survivor he's well known for being a very very good game player but if you make that move right i would have shaken the hand and i would have gotten rid of one of my rivals and then ally with boston rob for a little while until

that seems like such an easy move and i feel like nobody wanted to put a target on their back out of the gate and i don't understand how that would put a target on your back though because nobody's a trader at this point. You're just playing the game. And I agree with you. Wouldn't you want Boston Rob? Like that is an immediate gratitude. Like, hey, welcome to the game, Boston Rob. I'm going to kick off the person that I think is going to come for me. Like if you're somebody like Danielle, who you've got, um, uh, what the fuck? Brittany. Brittany is coming after you. Or if you're Brittany, you think Danielle's going to come after you. So that's an easy one. Tony and Jeremy, same thing. Like there are things I actually said in this moment. If you're Tom Sandoval, why don't you go over there?

Everybody fucking hates you. You just walk over, shake Boston Rob's hand. Maybe you can make a friend in him because I doubt Boston Rob knows who you are. And then you can just move on and you can kick somebody out like Crischel, who you seem to have a vendetta against because she's friends with Ariana. So there's an opportunity for somebody who is hated or somebody who you know is there someone else that's going to have put a target on your back immediately and start talking shit on you. You could go right over and just welcome Boston Rob for the game, get that person out. And then they're like, oh, shit, this guy's going to do whatever it's,

to win that's a great move and they're all too scared and that's what it comes down to i think the biggest thing like you said at this point nobody's a traitor you can get rid of this person and then be a traitor and you have the opportunity to whack two people yeah in one go i feel like i think that they wouldn't i think they wouldn't make you a traitor though off the bat just because you already did a move like that so now everybody's going to assume that all right well he's got traitor instincts maybe it's going to end up being him and they're going to try to get you out right away so that is there's a lot of little nuances to this game that you which is why I like it.

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So it is really fun to watch. Yeah, early alliances I do see because they were eyeballing each other. And I think they were both thinking the same thing was Jeremy and Carolyn from Survivor were both kind of peek in, should we take Tony out? That's was like the underlying conversation I think they're having with their eyeballs. So I could see them joining together, although obviously as we're about to find out, Carolyn's going to become a traitor. But I could see that being an easy pairing because they have a joint enemy. in tony i don't think tony's going to last very long just because there's reputation that's that's the vibe i get unless he continues to get immunity because you get well i think and the way

that it plays out too as you just said caroline becomes a traitor it could behoove you to keep tony around because right until somebody thinks like oh wow this guy's got a reputation maybe we need to get him out because he could be a traitor they might just leave him around again as just a smoke screen like i use him later to get whacked like you can be like if you start let's say you're getting into it you need to point the finger at somebody convincingly you can be like start to get some rumblings about tony i like that i just like i love the fact that we can sit here and speculate like this about i know moves to be made it's just a lot of fun but let's keep going this will take six hours we get inside of the house again everyone's mingling we're getting to meet

people a little bit more tom's wearing a fucking kilt and i hate it i hate it so much he goes and looks at his own picture goes oh i look like an inmate you always look like that pal that's not just that picture, but whatever. You do see everybody, for the most part, going to familiar places. The Survivor crew is in there talking to each other, and then you get kind of a mismatch, mish-mash of people. The housewives seem to be sticking together. Bob is kind of floating, because obviously he's a standalone.

You got Gabby from Bachelorette, and then Ivar Mountbatten, who is a British royal in some capacity the only reason i know that name is because i watched the crown and charles dance who played tywin lannister was i guess his like grandfather a great uncle or something he was the one who was assassinated with a uh car bomb or a boat bomb i think it was like back in the boston 60s yeah yeah you don't hear about boat bombs very don't hear about boat bombs but yeah that's a mount baton so i guess he's the second cousin to the king that's yes and he's the first openly gay royal family member Right. I thought it was a strange comment to make, though, from Gabby where she goes, and she was a Bachelorette contestant or a bachelor contestant later.

She's already started as a lesbian. But she said after she says, I go, she goes, I knew there were some queerness in that family. I was like, it's a weird thing to say. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think it's not the first and it's definitely not going to be the last on this show. That's like a weird royal family comment. Yeah, which I'm here, by the way, give me all of them.

I'm not against what she said. I was just like, oh, okay, that's fun. Let's keep doing that because the royal family is such a bizarre concept. We made too many, yeah, we made too many weird family comments. Like, I don't care. I don't care. I think it's the most bizarre set up in the world that you still have a monarchy amongst democracy. It makes no, I don't know what they do, whatever.

I don't want to get into it. But yeah, give me more of that. I think it's funny. We get to the trader selection. Everybody goes for their one-on-one interview. everyone's saying relatively the same things i don't even know tom yeah except tom which is so funny because you know exactly 100% this guy was like for my image i don't want to be labeled a traitor because i am a traitor in real life and i'm trying to do this for damage control and i want to

come out of this squeaky clean so just please make me faithful don't betray me i'm like fuck off allan allen coming's response to that is incredible he's like oh yeah you want to be one of those yeah It's not going to feel good to be lied to cheated on or traded, huh? Yeah, I'm leaning on traded. I think traded should, yeah, we'll trademark that. We can keep using it. We will look it up or somebody look at it. Let us know if that's actually a word.

But yeah, just let us do it. Yeah, just let us do it. Back off, guys. But no, I do think it's funny that, you know, and Alan Cummings, man, I cannot stress it enough how delightful he is to watch on this show. It's almost like this role was, he was meant for this. But we get to the actual selection, and we get Danielle from Survivor, we get Carolyn from Survivor, and then you get Bob from Rupal's Drag Race, who I am going to refer to only because they did on the pontoons is Bob DQ. Yeah.

Oh, I saw Bob DQ, yeah. Bob DQ, and then you got Bob H. So that's how we'll differentiate between the two of them. And out of the gate, I mean, we don't know a whole lot about these people. I really like these selections because I like that Dan. Danielle has a vendetta coming in. I like that she's going for somebody and Brittany potentially. I like with Bob is kind of unassuming and he even says that himself.

You know, he's like, I wasn't born to be a traitor. But and as you see him progress through this first episode, I'm like, ooh, I think you're going to be a really good trader. He actually seems to have the game figured out from an early standpoint. And then in Carolyn, she's a wild card in a good way. Like I think that she is made to be a traitor as well. And I think that she's interesting because she also has a vendetta. against tony and i think once you introduce obviously with the big reveal at the end

spoiler alert if you're but if you haven't watched it why whatever when if and when boston rob enters the game and she's already a traitor now you have boston rob and carolin both survivor contestants also daniel's survived now you've got three of the traders are survivor centric which again if i'm tony that's a problem that's a big big problem so i like that selection a lot pull off after the big reveal this is my favorite part of the episode potentially because everyone just eyeball on each other the traders are trying to look you know inconspicuous and you look at sandoval first of all is like is he crying i thought he was trying to and then i was like maybe they like had their blindfolds on for like an hour 20 minutes because i'm like alan just keeps walking around

and walking around and obviously he's doing a little hez-he hay here and there just trying to And it's really fun too. Like this could be a really fun show for us to like, especially the first episode, maybe next year for us to watch the first episode together because I had quote, like our quotes, I had inklings of who could be a traitor. And I was way to fuck off because I don't know how to play the game. And I'm thinking, all right, maybe he would pick somebody like, like, drag queen Bob is inconspicuous to an extent. But somebody like Sierra is very inconspicuous. somebody like eye on incredibly inconspicuous but then i realized they're not going to know what the fuck they're doing yeah that sets the tone a weird way somebody who knows how to play a game like this

so that's why the selections make a lot more sense i know that now i didn't know that before so here i am yeah yeah and the only thing that sucked for me i was like tom doesn't know because he's like i already see a lot of red flags this and that i'm like no you don't and then bob's like See my ex-girlfriend's friends. I'm like, fuck. I'm like, he does know. Because Bob's like, why is this dude eyeballing me? But yeah, so everybody notices Tom.

Like literally everybody notices him looking around the room. And I think his downfall, which is going to be easy. His downfall is simply going to be doing too much because he's going to try to be nice to everybody. As we saw later when he goes to comfort Danielle after the boat thing, he's just doing too much. He's putting himself out there trying to look like the nice guy once again. and it's going to bite him in the ass eventually, which I'm very excited for, but he already fucks himself up because he goes after Chrisel. He walks out of the room and he points the finger at her.

And initially, I'm like, all right, because again, I'm scanning, right? I'm looking at eyeballs. I'm looking at body language, all that stuff, trying to figure it out. And I didn't see anything in Crishel that I was like, ooh, but he calls her out to a big group of people. And that's when we find out, oh, she's her. friends with Ariana. This is a personal vendetta. He's getting personal already, which I know other people are too, as far as like the survivor thing goes, but that's gameplay centric. You're getting emotionally invested because she's friends with your ex that you cheated on, which once Griselle starts spreading

the word around, especially after you get the men versus the women pitted against each other with the boat unintentionally, but very importantly, I think, I think when she starts talking to everybody, the people that maybe aren't up on Scandival that don't know it very well, if she's He starts to say, oh, well, he's accusing me because I'm friends of his ex that he cheated on. She's going to get a lot of support, and he's going to get a lot of shit. And that's the kind of stuff I'm ready for. Yeah, that's definitely the kind of stuff that I'm ready for. Now, the problem now I'm thinking a little deeper on this, the way that he's acting, at first I thought, all right, if he's going to come off with his blindfold off and he's staring everybody down, it's going to look a little red flaggy to me.

So people are going to think he's a traitor and he's just trying to do too much. But the more that he talks and does stuff, if they find out, okay, he's going after Chrisel because she's friends with Ariana, they're going to just immediately just throw him to the side. Like, all right, he's not a traitor. He just has a vendetta against Chrisel. Yeah, perhaps. So that sucks because that means he's going to be on the show for a long time.

I don't think so. Because they're going to just peg him as a faithful. I think that's what it is. Because you and I are like, all right, Tom, like, if he was a traitor, I think he would have slinked back in his seat and looked around a little bit. But people are going to figure out the kind of. a person that he is. And obviously you get like Crischel and Tom will probably just start try to vote each other off because they hate each other. But they're going to peg him at some

point as, all right, he's doing too much. He's not a traitor. He's just trying to like figure out how to play the game terribly. And I love that his first instinct is, oh, it's got to be Chrisel. And later his next instinct is, who do you think it is? And he just goes after all of these people. And he is dead fucking wrong. He's talking to Danielle and Carolyn. And he's like, I have a good feeling about you I trust you to there's something about you too that you guys just seem

cool to me yeah that's funny for me yeah that was hysterical and that that points to like how he's going to play the game yeah I think the Bob thing was a fluke that he got Bob DQ out of the gate but yeah I thought

that was so on point where he's sitting next to two of the three traders which statistically speaking is difficult to walk through that room and sit down next to two of the three out of that group and he's like And they don't even know that each other are traders. So that's even better.

I know. And he's just like, you guys, this is a good vibe right here. This is a good, there's a good trio. But anyway, Dylan immediately goes to Chrisel. So he's doing his work to, I think that's what you're getting out of this scene for the most part. People are feeling each other out. Who's going to be my friend? Who can I lean on a little bit?

Especially for the standalones, you know, the Dylan Ephrons, the Bob Harper's, anybody that's coming into this show solo without anybody else from their same. network that's where you're starting to see these alliances people just they're testing the waters a little bit they're testing the waters but we get to our first challenge which is a row challenge on a lock which is a lake if you don't know did you really go from testing the waters to a row challenge that quickly does you mean to do that no but that's how the show is I'm so locked in the puns are flowing naturally we're heading to a lock yeah we're heading to a lock and uh the way the game is set up there's five pontoons each pontoon has fuel i don't know why that mattered as much is that to light

the thing on fire you needed all full not not all five of them had fuel i think only three of them had fuel i think the first like so you have to make the choice of do you want an extra 10 000 or 20 000 or whatever it was or do you want fuel so once they got to the fuel which was the fourth point you can see that everybody's like nah i need a shield i need to be protected tonight and that's really what it comes down to is you have to abandon two of your mates, which is fucking hilarious watching them go through it, because you see so many people who are a little selfish and you see the game being played of, well, we need men on here to row the boat. It's like you've got Nicky Bella here who's fucking stronger than everybody.

You've got Tom Sandoval complaining about his fucking forearms, like a little bitch. Because he takes hydroxy cut. That's why he looks like that because he takes hydroxy cut. He openly says that. I don't want that guy in the boat. Nikki Bella can do backflips and land on her feet from the top of a fucking cage. Like, yes, she can throw a grown man out of the ring. I want her on the boat at all times.

I thought that that was such a funny part and they do such a good job setting these dynamics up. And I'm sure that's intentional where you're rowing the boat. And of course, the British world's like, we need the men. Get the women off the boat. So Ivar is fucking the misogynist out of the gate. But on to number one, we ditch Robin and Chanel and, or Ion, for those of you that don't know, Chanel Ion. So Robin just, again, I think that she thinks it's going to look good by sacrificing herself, not understanding, no, this makes you look like a traitor because you're not concerned about potentially getting whacked.

Ion simply doesn't know the game. And she sees a housewife get off. And she's like, okay, I'm a housewife too. And then you got Ivar, the magnificent over here, going, we need one more girl. to get off the boat ladies so chanelle's like okay cool what's up robin and only when she gets on the raft and they roll away she goes ah fuck this is bad this is a bad move and then robin's like oh shit we're both fucked like yeah i had a different feeling about it too because i'm thinking and we get this on the next spot or on the third spot rather but i'm thinking if you're a traitor

like you're safe either way i would just get off just be selfless and get off and be like yeah you know what no like we need two people to get off we need to hurry because we need to make sure that we get all five of these so that we can increase the prize fund I'm going to get off somebody else come with me and then you talk somebody else into it and I think it kind of throws people off the set but that's the duplicity of this game which is so fucking cool or the duality of this game rather which is so fucking cool which you can get off and do all of the things that I just said and look selfless to half of the people the other half are going to be like well they got off the boat because they're they're safe it doesn't really matter their traders. So it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. I thought that it was funny, obviously, that we get the housewives out immediately. It's just like, Ion, Robin. All right, next stop, who's getting off? And obviously, we're still on the girl train. Derrind and Dolo get off. And they have the same realization. They're like, shit, we're open to this. They better get all five of these because otherwise it's not worth it. I would be in the circle at the ends. What the hell? What are we doing here? And that is just great to me. It's great. And Bob, drag, drag queen

Bob he gets off on the third pontoon but he was also this is when I started to see him step into the role and I was like this because he steps up and with the heave hoe to get everybody because that was an absolute shit show out of the gate nobody knows how to row they're doing like circles we really need two people at the back to what was it wells and sierra in the back they're the they're the cocks wane sure yeah do we need two people to get that no we just need one back there one of you get off well according to ivar it has to be sierra

Yeah, of course. This guy, this fucking guy. But Bob and Pontoon 3 calls that out. I think that's important because it sets the tone for the rest of the game. That adds a different layer to the competition because now it is somewhat men versus women. It's like, oh, you're saying that you can't get back on time just because there's ladies on the boat. Again, professional wrestler Nikki Bella can row the shit out of that fucking boat. So that's a stupid sentiment.

Bob calls that out. He hops off. but that's why I thought pontoon three was the ideal spot for a trader to hop off the boat because you know at that point's getting contentious because everyone's worried about all right I've only got three pontoons left if I can just make it I don't have to get off Bob causing a little bit of a stir because he hops up and calls out the blatant misogyny happening right now and then you get him hop off the boat he's protected but he also looks like he doesn't want to get off he's doing it in solidarity Danielle also fed up you

know what fuck it we've been sitting here for too long i'll get off you guys just make sure you get that was when the trader should have hopped off because if they do it on pontoon four i think it's too late if they do it on one or two i think it draws skepticism so it worked out really well for those two and i think they actually pointed the target elsewhere because of how they got off the boat and then a pontoon four you get bob h and sam who i don't know sam's like he's just he's brittney spires he's brittney spurs ex from some point he's a model yeah whatever model and act or whatever. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to

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We're running out of manpower. We're going to be able to get back. We're running out of men. Ivor just stands up. There's no men left. We just lost two guys over here. He just jumps off the boat. How are we ever going to get back?

It's like, you're a royal. I thought this was like a royal activity. right yeah you guys wrote boats all the time you could you should be able to do this by yourself buddy like what are you worried about so yeah you can see that and they do it under that guys but really they just want to be safe they're like let's forego we don't need any more fuel we've got all the fuel we need we don't need that extra 20k at the end let's just get back now let's sacrifice these eight yeah and we're they are not thinking the other eight sitting out there like well fuck you are you kidding you're leaving me open and you should have at least gone the distance i thought that

I was getting off. And Dorinda and Dolores say it, I thought I was getting off so that you guys could go get that extra money. No? Okay. All right. So it's just eight of us instead of 10 that are open. All right.

Fuck you guys. By the way, it's six because two of those eight are traitors. So there's six people potentially up for grabs now. That's it. That is not great odds. So we are more than likely going to lose a housewife out of the gate. Just based on statistics alone.

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Now let's get back to the show. But I think that something that this show is doing so well, and you start to pick up on it, is the dynamics they unintentionally put in place. We've already talked about pitting men versus women with the boat challenge. We've talked about pitting former contestants up against each other that have shared the same show. And they do a job even with dinner because you get the shielded crew gets back to the castle. And they got warm food waiting. They get to shower, change, relax, all of that.

And after they're done having seconds, you get this pontoon crew who's cold, miserable, hungry, been sitting on a raft for far too long, strolling in, still in their... They got like an actual motorboat out there to go pick them up. I would imagine somebody on an actual boat went to go. Or no, one guy was rowing that big fucking boat to pick them up. The Shield crew had enough time to get back, get probably showered and changed.

So that's a long time for them to be out there. But that's the point because they get back. Now they're fucking miserable and mean and they walk in and there's no food. They don't even have food left. So now the whole crew on the pontoons is already pissed off at the shielded crew because they left them out to dry or left them out there wet out to wet out to wet out to dampen and now they're even more upset because they get back they don't have food they're pissed off so you get bob dke pulls everybody in he convenes the whole crew and starts talking to him about

everything and again that's what i'm like okay he's stepping into this role nicely because i think he's drawing attention to himself in a positive way where he's just being a force you don't know if it's good or bad or indifferent, but he is proving himself to be a standout, which I think in my mind, early on you probably want to be that person in a positive way. And then probably somewhere in the middle, you want to work on phasing out a little bit to where you kind of get lost in background. You're not going overboard with your emotions. You're not trying to play it up because obviously there's a whole aspect of this game

where you don't want to drum it up too much because then you start looking suspicious, which correct some people will do without realizing that they're doing it like a derinda yes but that's what i think is interesting because you're in the kitchen bob convenes this meeting everyone's going at each other about pontoon number five why the fuck didn't we go get it we sacrificed ourselves for you guys and you guys were only concerned about getting back and getting safe which yeah duh it's a game about getting eliminated if that's me i'm going to pontoon number two and be like fuck it it's 10 grand let's get back to the fucking shield yeah but regardless what you've done now has gotten derinda activated and derinda i think

what was missing when they jumped off the boat with dolo derinda robin ion before they even got to pontoon three i think that's when it starts to set in in the beginning they're just being selfless like you know what this will look good jump off the boat whatever they realized after the fact like oh we made a huge mistake now that derinda understands how cutthroat it is maybe she wasn't aware of like how harsh you have to be yeah i think she will turn into a good contestant if she doesn't get whacked now if i am picking somebody to go and there's four housewives i'm probably going to focus in on them and say okay who seems to be the most capable here derinda went off in the kitchen she seems like she's activated now she may have drawn some attention to herself in a

bad way yeah yeah definitely and and it's all about the clicks that you want to separate now We see a lot of clicks. And obviously there's the preexisting clicks. You know that the Survivor and the Big Brother people are all going to hang out together. You see Nikki Bella, Krischel, and I forget who the third one. I think it was Britney that went with them, that went off with them. And it's like, all right, they're conspiring over there. What's going on over there?

It could be one of them that's a little capable. And obviously the name of the game is you want to be able to vote out next episode or the episode after. You want to be able to start voting out the traitors. So you've got to start compiling some evidence here. And you want to break up those bands. So you see all the housewives together. It's like, all right, it could, statistically speaking, it should be one of them. One of them should be a traitor.

And I think that's where the producers and Alan Cummings, they get into it and they're like, all right, everybody's going to think it's one of the housewives because there's four of them. And it's not. So it's really going to throw people off immediately. And Dorinda, the way that she acted in that kitchen, she took it to a different level that drag queen bob didn't take it. Drag Queen Bob was pissed, rightfully so. And he sat everybody down and said, look, that's fucked up. You guys didn't even go to the fifth buoy.

What the hell are you doing? Derinda is freaking out because she's been out in the cold. And this is just Durinda. And that's what I'm talking about where not everybody on the show knows everybody. And you can see it a little bit later. It's like, I don't know who that person is. It must be a housewife. Or the housewives are going to play this game a little bit differently.

So you don't know Durinda. Like we know Durinda. That's just a normal Derinda reaction. That was a normal emotional response. That was very tame for Durinda. Yeah. So we're sitting there and we're like, no, this is just Durinda, guys. It's like, it's not that big of a deal.

Dolos says the same thing. It's like, no, I'm feeling sorry for my friend Durinda right now because she is pissed off. And I don't want to see that. And everybody else is like, well, that's a little conspicuous. It's like it's not. But I guess in the gameplay, when you don't know somebody, that is very conspicuous because she took it too far. She played it up too far. It's a little theatrical, but it is Derinda to us.

So that's why it's really funny. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see if that plays in her favor, if it goes against her. I'm not entirely sure. But we get to the Traders reveal. Danielle never won anything. So she's all in. Like she wanted to be a traitor.

She's ready to take some people down. You get drag queen Bob and he's going to be the conscious killer. He's not going to be cruel, but he's going to be ruthless, which same thing. Seems similar. They seem like, I think ruthless would be I'm going to get rid of somebody for no real reason,

but being cruel would be kind of like. If you have a vendetta against them. Yeah, like stringing them along maybe. And then using them, I don't know. I think the funny thing to me is they had probably all day to rehearse this line because obviously it's you want it to be iconic. You're the first round of traders. You're going to get in there.

You got to say something cool to Alan when you get up there that everybody remembers you. And that's what they came up with. He's like, I'm not going to be cruel, but I'm going to be ruthless. It's like that's the same thing, Bob. Come on. Yep. Yep. And then you get Carolyn who claims to have slept in a cloak.

None of you have slept in cloaks. So that means she's going to win this game. I think that she is probably, in my mind, the most dangerous of the triggers for right now. I get the vibe, especially coming from a survivor background, especially going up against some of these other survivor contestants. I think she understands the gravity of it. I think that's probably the biggest differentiator amongst everybody is understanding how ruthless you're going to have to be.

And the people that have a background in shows that feature eliminations are going. going to have a leg up early on. I don't think it's going to take long for people to catch up, so they're going to lose that advantage after a few episodes, I'd imagine, especially once you weed out some of the weaker ones that don't understand this game as well, but for now, it's going to give them a big leg up. And when you have somebody like Carolyn, you have somebody, because Carolyn's in there, she doesn't necessarily have a vendetta against Tony, and I have to come up with a different word for that.

So I don't keep saying vendetta, but whatever. Yeah. But she understands how dangerous Tony is, whereas with. Danielle, she has a personal thing with Brittany because Brittany kicked her off the show previously. Yeah, I think it's, it's, there's a whole different aspect to this show now too that I wasn't expecting where you're going to have some sort of discomfort when it comes to being a traitor because you're still doing things and trying to make decisions as a group, but you do need to start putting, you know, personal reasons aside immediately, but there's also different ways

of thinking. And that's what I'm talking about in the beginning where everybody's on a different wavelength. And that includes the traders. You get the three of them in a room like yeah obviously you take the cloaks off everybody's excited like holy shit especially bob and daniel who were on the booie together that didn't realize that they were even traitors of time but you can tell they're like holy shit i didn't know it was you you played the game so well i had no inkling that you were a traitor in that moment you did such a good job and they have like admiration for each other then caroline comes in it's like holy shit i didn't know it was you either but once you start talking about who you want to get rid of and the reasons why and what kind of game you want to play what kind of

smoke screens you want to throw out there, try to throw people off the scent of who the traders actually are, there's differing opinions. And it really comes down to who's going to be able to last the longest in their argument for why they think. Because Danielle starts talking about, all right, we immediately have this band of housewives. Everybody's going to think it's a housewife. And what better way to do this than to throw everybody off the scent by sending a housewife home? That would be a housewife move. That is the right line of thinking. But when you start thinking about who specifically you want to send home, that's when they start getting into arguments about it.

And that's where it's going to be a little interesting. And obviously, you know, we've got a couple more episodes where more people are going to get introduced. Obviously, Boston Rob's got to fucking come back. We see it at the end of this episode. He is coming back. Anyway, there's no way they're going to fly Boston Rob out there. Yeah.

Right. As soon as somebody gets whacked, I'm like, Boston Robb is going to enter the game at the end of this whole thing, which it didn't matter because the reveal is still awesome. Because in my stupid brain, I'm like. part of me wishes that this is actually what happens like during filming like you sign away your life pretty much where it's like okay until you're out here you're going to be tied up in a dungeon we're going to put you in a floating cage yeah yeah we're going to lift this off the ground but you have to stay here if you want to play the game and like that's part of it but it's a great reveal you get a great monologue from allan cummings as he walking through the woods and you get the reveal of boston rob reentering the game now we have other people because you see three is set up. And if you get the scenes from next week or whatever, it reveals that there's going to be multiple people reentering this game. So I think that will continue to happen. I don't know. This is like, again, this is my first four. I think that's it. I think that's the initial and

then they'll then they'll stop. Yeah. Now, I don't know if there's like some sort of like a bring back like somebody who was murdered or somebody who was banished or whatever kind of back. There's like a redemption. That could be interesting. But I do think because, you know, know you're getting rid of one person tonight and then you know that there's more opportunities to get rid of people because what they'll do is they'll have a sit down at the round table and do a banishment which everybody just votes for somebody who they think is a traitor that's when you want to get rid of traders because you want to dwindle their numbers down and yeah i know well the thing that really confused me was in the beginning of the episode alan says and no longer will

you know at the final table who is a traitor and who's not or something so i thought because the way that the game has worked in the past, they're going to leave when they get banished, and they're going to go to the circle of truth, and they're going to reveal whether or not they were a traitor. I thought he was doing away with that. And I'm like, well, that's really fucking confusing. That is going to make the game very difficult.

That's not what they do. So don't worry. It's just my new thing for it. Yeah, it's the final table. Yeah. I was very confused. But no, it's going to be such a cool game to watch. I was enthralled. And obviously, they had to drop all three episodes. And I'm like, well, I've got to watch episode, too, of course. And I wanted to watch episode.

three, but I didn't. So we'll do all of that next week. I love how you say, you know, we'll do a super episode of episodes two and three, but we'll probably cut it into two episodes. I just met when we record it, we're going to record it all at once. But yeah, then I realize, well, it's still going to come out separately, so it doesn't fucking matter. But hey, you know,

we'll make sure we get those out before next Thursday, because episode four comes out Thursday at 9 p.m. And then from there on, we will make sure to promptly get that out the beginning of the next week. Because we want you guys to do it. And we love doing this this is such a fun show to cover it's a great show great show i am loving it top to bottom no notes whatsoever i i'm so glad that we're getting into this one now but yeah that

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