Bros & Shows - The Traitors: Tony Clowns Around and Finds Out (The Traitors s03ep03)

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

What's up Bros? We are officially caught up with The Traitors and my goodness this show is amazing. If you are reading this or listening to our recap and you dont watch this show... do yourself a favor and dive in immediately. In this episode, we find out the second faithful murdered is Ayan. Amongst the traitors, Boston Rob is sitting back a little and still getting the temperature of everything. Though he posits that they can play one of two ways, either chaos or a united front. The killing of Ayan shows they have chosen chaos. We both believe this was a misstep and the kill the Housewives plan is stupid. But the crew soldiers on and now the paranoia is running rampant. Sandoval keeps highlighting that he doesn't know what he's doing because he keeps telling people that Danielle and Carolyne are totally not traitors... Dylan Efron believes that he is on to Bob the Drag Queen and he begins to spread that around. Bob catches wind and he is not too happy about it. The Survivors crew is all rallied around one another which could be a potential alliance moving forward as long as someone doesnt throw a wrench into it. We also witnessed one of the worst executed challenges on any game show ever. Choose a door in the fun house while communicating with the rest of the players, and instead of using directions, numbers, letters or literally anything else, the players tried to describe the doors and what resulted was absolute mayhem. Boston Rob turns on Tony at the roundtable as he receives a large majority of the votes and sends him packing. Dylan goes after DQ Bob but reels it in post roundtable to try and protect himself. Jeremy is on to Danielle in a big way and spreading it around like wildfire, although she did herself no favors at the breakfast table. The traitors are given a task to pick a short list of 3 in front of the rest of the cast without being caught, but can the traitors get together and on the same page without being revealed? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Which could be why they're trying to get rid of all the housewives this season. Do you think Fager ruined it for them? Maybe. Oh, that's an interesting premise. I like that. Well, there's a lot of discourse online about people wanting screen time, people wanting You get rid of somebody like Derinda who they feel like is going to be very formidable in the screen time. Oh, wait a minute. Let's get rid of them so that I can get a little more screen time.

Maybe I'll get to get to another show from here. This is a whole different dynamic of the show. I didn't think of because for somebody like a Robin, let's say, she's off of... I know. I don't know. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows.

Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. And welcome back to another episode of Brows and shows. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Locke Goots. I'm fired up. Not only did we get a birds win yesterday.

That's right, Victory Monday, Loop. We've got traitors, and I love covering traders. It is so easy. I feel like I'm just sitting here, just decompressing, talking about a show that is causing me a lot of stress. Yeah, agreed. It's actually alarming to me how emotionally invested I get in this show to the point when we get to the round table. My heart's beating fast. Well, we both love game shows like this.

Big time. versus going to like a Bravo show where it's like, you kind of know how things you're going to play out at some point. We know the general formula. Don't get me wrong. We love our Bravo shows. I could know this formula like the back of my hand and it's still going to stress me out.

Correct. Correct. And I think that they just do such a good job with it. As we heard in the intro, did not think about the screen time aspect of it. That is definitely an interesting dynamic that's going to be a play here because certain people are going to want to make a name for themselves.

Because they want more screen time, potentially on another show. didn't think about that. Got to think about the brand. I got to think about the brand. Always A, B, B, always be branding. That's what we say around here now. Yep.

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Thanks, Cody. But yeah, I love this show. I love everything about this show. I think Alan Cummings was born for this role. I think that they're has to be somebody out there right now writing a movie in which where he is the keeper of a castle and there's got to be something there yeah there has to be something there right if you're not you're missing maybe we should write that movie we could try yeah i think that's what that's our next venture

we have a lot of time on our hands we don't we have so many shows to cover i have a three-month-old oh god i'm so tired but i wouldn't trade it for the world don't get a twist in everybody this is what we love to do now let's dive into traders episode number three so we can all be up to speed so we can all drop spoilers and start gossiping together, okay? That was the whole point of rushing these episodes out. We all want to be on the same page and take this journey together with our bros. Big time. Big time, Timmy Jim.

Remember that commercial? Yeah. Tim Winston. Big time, Timmy Jim. Anyway, traitors, that's what we're talking about. And this is the aftermath of Boston Robb gives the reveal that he's the next trader. his reception is cold to say the least. No one's that excited about Boston Rob to be a traitor,

where if I'm a traitor and one of the most conniving mofos in the game just entered the turret or whatever the fuck they call that, the tower, what do they call it? The turret. They do call the turret? Oh, wow. I thought I made that up. Nice. I'm stoked because I want him on my team.

I thought it was a very weird reception. Wasn't it strange? This is more, and again, it's going to be a struggle for power plays, especially in the trade or turret, because they want to be able to control narratives, they want to be able to protect themselves, and maybe they're a little upset that Boston Rob could turncoat on them at some point,

maybe one person individual, if he doesn't agree with their line of thinking or they're a little too pushy, and they're not getting their agenda across, maybe he could try to kind of move away from them. That might be what they're thinking. I'd be stoked. So what I would be in his ear,

I'd be talking to him only. You immediately have an organic teammate here, You can just start talking to whenever you want about the game, and you don't have to worry about a whole lot. And as long as you're playing the game that he's playing, you'll be there forever. I agree. I think that you team up with.

I think that there's too much separation amongst our traders. Yeah. I think that a big part of it is vying for control, which I'm sure that's probably an aspect of it every time you get four people together with conflicting ideas. Right. But at the same time, as they're talking through who to whack next, Bob brings up Tom or Dolores.

Dolores being the obvious housewives play that they're still pointed at and Tom, I didn't understand. I guess Tom you could say because he's causing the Crischel nonsense but anybody can see through that as a personal thing and not a gameplay move.

I think they're playing it so wrong. I do. Just unbelievably wrong. Thank you. Because that is you need to be able to have built in protection. Tom is that? There are chaotic people in the house

that are causing a huge stir that everybody else like, yeah, there's nothing you can really do if you get to a roundtable and they vote Tom out. But you shouldn't be considering killing Tom. I agree. You shouldn't be considering killing Robin.

Or Ion. Or ion. Ion's doing absolutely nothing. The Housewife ship has sailed. Yeah. They get so stuck on this and the only thing I can think of is they're attacking Bravo for some reason. Maybe they just don't like Bravo. I think they might not like Bravo.

I got a Bravo vendette. Yeah, I'll fight all of them. Yeah. Don't you come to Bravo. I know last week I was like, again, I said this in the last episode. I really want to watch the gameplay. But not like this. No.

Because it's such a stupid. There's no strategic advantage. getting rid of somebody like Ion, like Dolores, like Tom at this point, it would make way more sense to keep them. The three that they select as the potential person to cut is so far from the route that I would go. Yeah. If I'm early on, okay, if we're, if you and I are traitors, power plays only, who's going to fuck me up in this game? Tony, Jeremy maybe. I'm going for one of the Bambies that we find out later, either a Chrisel or I think that Gabby is like, I think she's sneaky formidable.

She's very formidable. She's able to have those conversations about who she thinks might be the trader, who's being a little suspicious, and she doesn't make waves with the rest of the group. She only talks to people, and we hear this like three or four times in this episode alone, I can only talk to people that I trust. Sometimes you're trusting a traitor, which is, you know, not a whole lot you can do there. But they're only talking to people that they can trust, especially Gabby.

So I just think that they're playing this so wrong, and I really want to be able to see something like an ion, later when people are absolutely just feeding into the chaos and they're like, wait a minute, is it ion? Is she playing this game crazy? Is she acting like she doesn't know what she's doing, but really she's a mastermind? What's going on here? Like, that would be hilarious to be.

I agree. And if you're a traitor, you're going up to that turret and you are cracking up after a roundtable where they get rid of ion because she's not talking and not making any sense. It's like, oh, wow, you guys are so far off. Correct. Instead, you're like, hey, let's lead them down this housewife channel. There's only two more housewives. What are you going to do?

And I think that it's become so blatantly obvious because they obviously select Ion. She gets killed the next day, which was such a, why? Like, of all the people, like, Tom would have made more sense because at least Tom made some waves. Dolores, she, if you know any background of Jersey, if anybody in the show knows that, I don't know if the four standing in the turret do. She is very smart and can probably figure this game out at some point. she's an easy one where I would understand all right you got rid of Dolores

that to me if you're making the housewives play it had to be either Robin because she's been speaking up or Dolores because she might be sneaky Ion's not the one ion's the one that you want like you just said she's just a question mark let her float around and cause chaos never going to speak up at a round table and suggest getting rid of anyone

the two game plans laid out again this is why you need somebody in that room like a Boston Rob or a Wes I think Caroline does a good job too, but she kind of gets battered down every time she speaks up. Yeah. Well, if we saw Danielle in the first, the first session, if you will, of them speaking, she was bullying everybody. Yeah.

And now we've got drag queen Bob going up there saying, what was the exact same thing? He's feeding into Danielle, and they're both going after her. And it's like, what's the matter with you? Well, DQ Bob might be playing a different game. He might be gassing her up. Because that's what I think when I see what he did at the round table, putting Wells out there and stepping back.

I think that that's a move that he does where he'll go, okay, this, boom, set somebody up and then kind of step back. You take the limelight now. I'm going to put this spotlight on you. And I do think that he is, he's much more in tune with a game plan. He has a plan.

Do you think his game plan is, let's let Danielle's head get really big? I think so. Because now she's got two meetings in a row where we're going with the person that she suggested. Yes, I do. So she's going to pull some dumb shit

like we see a breakfast the next morning. Oh, it's so bad. where she's just going to talk too much and everyone's going to be like, what the hell's up with Danielle? Yeah, and I think that maybe if she goes, then Bob can just step into that little role, but maybe not with Boston Rob there.

But that's the other part that we're leaving out once again is Caroline. I think that she has, like, yes, she brings chaos. She's just the chaotic kind of person. Like, she's kind of all over the place, has a lot of, like, ideas, this and that. But her ideas aren't bad. No.

Like, she actually has some decent strategies out there. And I think that B. Rob, he puts it out there with the two ways that we can go about this. I did agree with this. Either we continued on the chaos path, which I still think the eye on move was the, that was the worst pick that could be. That was definitely the worst pick. But even, like you said with Carolyn, she said the same thing about, I think somebody suggested Brittany, and she's like, you can't get rid of Brittany, everybody's going to think it's me. Right. It's like, okay, so you have a head on your shoulders. Yes. Maybe you should

try to lead this a little bit better. Correct. She's thinking through it more so than the other two. Danielle's blinded by the idea that she's got to figure out. Yeah. D. Q. Bob, I think, is moving smarter. I think, like, I do think that he's gassing up Danielle a little bit. Yeah, so there might be a strategy there. Boston Rob, he's just sitting back and trying to understand. He's going to let them do whatever they want in this, in this session. There's no reason. I'm not going to bother. Yeah, because his one move, like I said, was, are we going to be United Front? Chaos isn't the wrong play, but they made the wrong pick to incite chaos. I don't think the chaos. Chaos only works with getting rid of another houseway. It doesn't. That's not Chi-IOS would be picking somebody at

random. Yes. Getting rid of Ivor for some reason. Ivar would have been a great call. Yeah. I think I of R throws a huge wrench where everyone's like, wait, fuck, because only one person voted for I of R last word. No, that's not true. Four people did. Yeah. So that's enough. He's another one that people are like, oh, wait, what's going on here? Yeah, I agree. I think I of would have been a better play. I was, I was shocked. Where you get rid of a strong player? Get rid of a Tony. That's my move. Yeah. I'm taking out all the heavy hitters. If I have the opportunity to get rid of people that I know can play this game, I'm whacking. I've, like, obviously Derek is safe. Wes is safe for now. Yeah, Tony was safe too. I'm getting rid of

of one of those dudes, not Tony. Tony, Jeremy, and... I'm getting rid of the guys that play these games for a living. I'm keeping housewives around. They're still figuring it out. It's early. The gameplay will shift, as I said in last episode, the gameplay, I believe, needs to be different day to day.

You cannot have the same plan because people are going to get suspicious of certain things. I thought Ion was the absolute worst pick that they could have made. Also, she was friends with Wells, and Wells just went home. Yeah. Now she's isolated. Correct. Why bother?

That makes no sense. It's absolutely no sense to me. And there's no one's point in the finger at her either. So it was just, it was a strange move. But Danielle starts her thing. And she starts talking. She goes, someone's going to kill Brittany because he's going to make it look like me. They're going to kill me.

And I know for a fact that DQ Bob's a faithful. I know it to be true. It's like, how? How do you know that? Because he told you? Everyone's telling everyone there. No one has yet to use my plan and go up to somebody and say, hey, I'm a traitor. We're going to team up this whole time.

We're going to protect each other. I still think that's a good move until the end. and then obviously something's going to fuck somebody up. But I do not understand what her move was. And you got Boston Rob sitting there just like quietly looking at her as she's going down this path. And I think, I don't, I think they flashed over to DQ Bob. Yeah. I'm not sure.

And I think that he's doing exactly what he wanted to happen. He's sitting there letting Danielle go, please. Or no, he wasn't in the room yet. I take that back. He hadn't come into the room yet. He still might have been whacked according to the people there. Obviously, we know he didn't. But she quite clearly draws all of the attention to herself and then ends it with,

ooh, pass me that chocolate croissant. That's good. I want that. I'm like, that's awkward. This whole thing's been so awkward. That looks good. We don't really hear too many comments about, like, oh, that's what a trader would do going through the wrong door as we see a little bit later in the fun house. Nothing like that is really happening.

These are your opportunities. And I know that you're going to walk out and you're going to start getting back to your clicks and you're going to start talking about who you think it might be. But you should be staring at anybody who's talking too much. And I just don't understand how we didn't get more than one person. Obviously, Boston Rob is like, what are you doing? Yeah. He's just like, go ahead. I don't care.

Yeah. But other than that, it's Dylan sitting there like, hmm. He got eyes on it over here. Yeah, I got you. I'm looking at you. And Jeremy, too, I think. Yeah, Jeremy was looking at her as well. And we find out Iion gets whacked.

This turns into housewife hunters. And I think if you look around the room, especially if you're looking at the traders, once the bomb drops that Ion's the one that got whacked, it almost felt like the whole room was like, including the traders, like, what? I think they might have realized they took a misstep there. You could have, just again, you have a chance to take down a real player, get somebody big off the show. I'm not saying that Ion can't step into this role eventually, but at this current moment in the show,

she's still not entirely sure how to play the game. Why the fuck would you fuck with that? I also love the running joke now that Alan just tosses the picture. Dolores gets so upset. I got to pick up my friend. Scott doing this to my friends. Yeah, and I love that Dolores does that.

He's going to do that every time that somebody gets murdered. He's done it since the show started. That's nothing to do with the housewives. Nope, it doesn't. But he enters the room and throws the picture frame on the floor. That's when you get the confession with Carrival. where she's like, I feel underestimated, she feels upset. I agree.

I think she's being overlooked, but I don't think that's a bad thing. Nope. Because she's the lowest in the totem pole of the traitors, but not by anybody's doing, just because you've got Danielle thinking she's the queen of it and he got DQ Bob, I think, I think, gassing her up.

Then you got Boston Robb in his first communal, if you want to call it that. He's not going to speak up too much. He's still learning. We use a different word every time that we explain it. Yeah, I know, me too. I'm going to keep trying to do that. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex.

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Express yourself at Simons. Get the aftermath of everything, and Caroline's a hot mess. Jeremy goes up to her and says that the Survivor Cruise got your back, but you better look out for Danielle. I love when people start talking to traders about other traders because it happens. multiple times throughout this episode. And that's a whole different play where it's like, oh, now they can warn each other.

But at the same time, you want to be the last one standing. Yep. I think I would play it differently. I don't know how you play it. Do you say, I don't think that Danielle, like, do you try to protect her a little bit? But does that make you look guilty? I think you lean into it.

I think you have to lean into it. I'll keep my eye out for Danielle. That's a good call. I could see her doing that. I'm not sure because I haven't seen anything, but I got you. But I think that you gas people up about other traders. Whatever they're saying, yeah.

And I think what that does, you also have a built-in defense when a trader, let's say, Danielle hears that, comes up to Carolyn's like, yo, what the fuck? She's like, oh, no, I'm throwing them off your scent. Meanwhile, you're not, because you need to get rid of the traders, too. There's another component to this, too. What do you do if somebody comes up? Obviously, the low-hanging fruit, if they bring up a faithful and you're a traitor, you want to say yes, really bad.

But you could say, I'm not really sure about that. because then if they get voted out and that gets some steam, they're going to look back at you and be like, you were right. I like that. I like that move a lot. See, we would kill this game. It would be so good. We get voted off, though, because people would know we're too good at it.

But Wes is talking to Robin. He's out on the housewife train. Correct take. Robin thinks that Tony is the one that killed Ion. And Tony... Again, it's just because they have an argument? Yes. That's where...

This is not how the game works. That's what happens. It's not just the housewives doing it. it. Wells did it. They're all doing it. I don't understand that. You've got to take the emotion out of it. The best players, Boston Rob, emotions completely out of this. He actually takes pleasure in fucking people over. Wes does not care about anybody. Derek seems to have a little bit more compassion than there, but if he's a detective, he also knows how to work people a little bit, right? You see too many people getting caught up in the point your finger

at me. I'm going to point my finger at you. That's so obvious. Play the game. Play the game a little bit. But if anything, like, if I saw two people actually arguing, I'd be like, they're both faithfuls. Yeah. Immediately. I would too. Yeah. I just, I think the game, but it's early, right? I think maybe we're being a little bit too. We're being a little too critical, maybe, but Tom and Nikki are talking. Nikki Bella, she's a favorite of mine on this show. I think she is a great player. I think she's doing just enough, but not too much. I think she's playing the game well. I think that whole trio of Crischel, Gabby and Nikki. Isn't Brittany in that too or no? Is it, is it? I think He's the third?

I think she's the four. I think there's four. I wrote it down somewhere, the Bambies. Nikki, Crishell, and Brittany. Okay. Was Gabby? I don't know. Gabby's in it, too.

It's all four. All four of them. Let's say it's all four of them. I like all of them. I think they all, the problem with Crishel is going to be Tom. Yeah. If Tom is on the show. I think she's smart enough to get off of it, though.

I agree. I think that she said her piece enough that she'll be able to move forward in this game. But I also think that she hates the guy because, for obvious reasons, it makes sense. But I do like those four. I think those four are a solid group, and I do think they're... No, because she makes a threesome joke by accident.

Oh, okay. Yeah, remember, she goes, we're a good threesome. I'm like, oh, uh-huh, but I'm... Anyway, I do... I think that it was amiss not having one of them be a traitor, though. I didn't too.

They formed their group, like, they won, our one. Yeah, they got the vibe quick. So that could have been an easy, like, let's see how this plays out if we get one of them involved, because we know they're going to stick together for as long as they possibly can.

I agree. I agree. But as Nikki's talking to Tom, he's like, oh, I watch people. She goes, yeah, you creepy watch people. He's like, that's just my face. I'm like, you are self-aware. You do know you're a creep. Learned.

Yeah, you figured it out. Good job, Tom. Change your face. I'm going to change it for you. You can't. He's just a creep. Nikki, that's what it is. That's why he stares at people creepily because he is one.

But anyway, Tony's nervous. Rightfully so. Tony's got a lot of fingers pointed out of him. And this is all reputation-based because people know his past. It doesn't help that. You fucked over somebody on this show in Jeremy. So he's already got you pegged. And then everybody that's seen Survivor from the Survivor Universe knows how cutthroat you are.

And everybody's heard that. So Tony's got a big target on his back. He should be a little bit nervous. But you get Dylan, B. Rob and Bob H. And Dylan thinks he's on to somebody. Yep. And he brings up DQ Bob again. Boston Rob is privy to this information.

Again, you've got somebody pointing out a traitor to another trader. The difference is Boston. Rob, I think, wants DQ Bob on his team. I think so, too. So I think he's going to do something to protect him. Whereas if it was, let's say, a Danielle, as we saw earlier, where he's like, I do want to help her out, but I'm not getting involved in this, which was the correct move. She was burying herself there.

So I think that that's an easy route. Now, if you go, because I think, again, we've talked about how Bob is playing the game. It would be really funny, though, if Boston Rob sat at that breakfast and said, you're talking crazy. You kind of sound like a traitor, right now. And just threw her under the bus. I would love to see her reaction to her. She wouldn't be able to. Right to the confessional. Like, what the fuck is he doing? It's Boston Rob.

I would love to see her trying to back out of it. You think he cares about the traitors? No, he cares about himself. How would she, I would love to watch her try to back pedal out of that. Oh, my God, it would be great. After the performance she just put on. That would have been a funny play. But Boston Rob hopes that it points back towards Robin. She's also on the chopping block a little bit. She's bringing

attention to herself, like we've talked about. It might not be our favorite person. She's trying. She's trying to get involved in this game so we appreciate that let's get to the mission how do you feel about clowns i have no problem with clowns really i don't like them no no i don't like that if you are a clown and you listen i pats off to you honk honk but we're clowns we different kinds of clowns yeah i just there's something about it i don't know if it's just embedded from my childhood or something but i just don't like it in this mission in particular yeah obviously you're expecting clowns but they are like murderous clowns no it could be regular clowns they have

knives. Yeah, but like juggling clowns I don't fuck with. When I go to the circus, when I live in, I love the circus. I think it's awesome. Not when there's animals involved. I think that's fucked. So you went to like a clown breeding ground and you are afraid of clowns? I went to a clown breeding. A Florida, are you calling Florida crown? What are you calling? What are you doing? Because I went to a circus, yes. But if you want to say that Florida is also a clown breeding grounds, go ahead. That's not even remotely what I'm saying. I went to a circus. I think circuses are very entertaining. I love the idea that they bop around together all over the country, set up a tent, and do these crazy things. I was also in Sarasota where the, you know, the Walenda family?

Nope. They're the ones that do the tightrope walking. Oh. Like the Nick Walenda walked across the Niagara Falls, the Grand Canyon on tightrope. They're from Sarasota. Sarasota, also the Barnman Bailey, or Ringling Brothers or Barnum, I think it's Ringling Brothers. Which one did Hugh Jackman start? He started the Ringling Brothers.

Okay. No, but the museum for that, they're from that area. So, like, the circus is based out of Sarasota. So we got a lot of cool circuses there. So I went a lot. It was fun, entertaining. But no matter how cool or fun it was, every time a clown came out, I didn't like it. I don't like them.

They freaked me out. I don't know why. It's a risk you were willing to take. Yeah. You knew it. Because I wanted to see the other stuff, but then I knew a clown would come out. You knew you'd be scared at all with it. One time, like, one walked up behind me.

I wasn't ready. His big clown glove, like rubbed my face. Oh, God. Why do they touch you? I don't know. I didn't like a lot of touch. Apparently that this one, yeah, he gave me a full palm down the side. Maybe that's one of the pounds.

Yeah, I didn't care for it. What did smell like? Nothing, thank God. Okay, good. I was a little put off, obviously. There was no odor, so I'm cool with that part. But, like, having a giant clown hand in the stands come out of nowhere and just palm your face is not fun. We're not.

He's clowning around. Come mad. Let's get back on point here. We get to the fun house with the clowns. And Alan looks fantastic. This is my favorite look thus far, the ringleader of the circus. Very serious question to ask you. Yeah.

What the fuck were they doing this entire goddamn time? Calling out the shapes and colors of the doors. Bro. Middle left, middle right, far left, far right. Thank you. One, two, three, four. Any fucking thing you want to do anything, literally anything. Now, if the producers told them they're not allowed to do that, which would be insane, by the way.

There's no way we would have seen it. This is the biggest group of idiots I've ever seen in my life. I was flobics. How did any of these people win any of the shows? No idea. Are they all morons? Bro, I wrote down in giant capital letters. Pissed me on.

Did we forget about directions? It pissed me off. Far left, middle left, middle, right, far right. One, two, three, four. Do you forget numbers? I'm also black. So I'd be fucked. You'd be fucked.

Who would go into that and look at the doors and go. I'm looking at black and red diamonds with like gold circles in the middle. How about door number three? Hey, guys, you can hear me on the loudspeaker. we're going to say left is one, two, three, four, going left, right. A, B, C, D. Fucking anything. It was wild.

Wild. And also, do you not know colors and shit? Because you're looking at the doors. And they're like, purple, blue, red. I'm like, what the fuck? No. Black and white. Like, name, if you're going to play the stupid route, at least do that.

Like, how did that not click? It was so dumb. There's 18 people there or something. And not one person was like, oh, you know what? especially fucking Bob and who was Bob with? With Bobby H or Dry Queen? Bob H. Bob H and Dolow are the fourth up.

Yep. They picked the same door and I can't even fault them. I think Boston Rob's like, what the fuck? How do you be that dumb? It's like, who on earth? They're all dumb. Who would walk in there and go, okay, let's see.

Red and black diamonds. Two of them have red and black diamonds. One of them said the diamond door. They were all diamond doors. Okay, I'm glad that you had the same, like, visceral reaction. This fucking heated me. I was so upset.

I never wanted to skip something more. I hated it. Once they started and I'm like, all right, maybe somebody's going to have some sense. By the fourth group, I'm like, I can't do this.

No. And no. And you know what? You know what? All of you did deserve to lose. Yeah. No one deserved to win this game. I'm glad that you don't.

But I also do love, because how many times we watched a game show and I know you've watched like Survivor, Big Brother back in the day, there's always some winner somewhere. I love that they did. I love that there was no winner.

But I wish that Alan you're all idiots you'll know nobody gets a shield have fun tonight i wanted alan to say that yeah like i just wanted him to be like wow and not just like walk away be like holy shit yeah like you said how did any of you win anything statistically speaking at least there should be like three teams left don't just like oh god it was so shocking it was so shocked none of them were able to get it on the first try no not one time they guessed wrong every time it was just got eight teams immediately It was crazy. No, no, seven teams because Dolores and Bob.

It was so nuts. I couldn't believe that that was that difficult for them to fucking figure it out. And then my favorites at the end, they're like, well, there's webs in here. That door has webs on it. That was the only thing that made even remote sense. At least there was a connection. I was like, oh, you know what? That would actually be kind of cool if there were clues on the ground and you guys were too stupid to even realize.

If we went back to the first room and all of a sudden there was like a blue diamond on the ground. And it's like, okay, maybe it's that one. Or like a bubble door in the bubble room or the foam room. everyone would call that. I thought where my head went was I see skulls on the door in the last one. I'm like, go in that one because it looks like death. It's not going to be. Yeah.

That's what I would have thought. But hey, nobody deserved to win. Everyone's stupid. This was just crazy. They didn't take their time either. No. They were like rushing through. It's like there's no time limit.

And like again, again, just the fucking loudspeaker, screaming out directions. After the first two went, I think that everybody was fucked because it was so confusing. And also now you know that there's going to be. clown jumping out of three of the doors. Go up to one of the doors and put your ear against it. See if you can hear a clown rustling around. There's no way that's allowed. I think that's where we have to draw the line.

That's where we draw the line. That's where we draw the line. Yeah, you just preach contract there. Fine. Look under the door. See if you see some feet. But it's a big. You're huge.

But I do love this turn of phrase. Courage me, bro. I was like, oh, yeah, Alan. But anyway, nobody wins. They all stink. Who cares? You get the aftermath. And there's a lot of people still pointing the fingers at Danielle.

There's a lot of skepticism towards Daniel, I'm wondering how that's going to play out in episode four. But let's get the DQ Bob and Danielle because Jeremy goes up to DQ Bob and was like, hey, now Jeremy has gone up to two traitors at this point and said, keep your eye out for Danielle. All right. So he's on to her. Bob tries to give her a heads up. Awesome if Jeremy knew that they were traitors. That would be really great.

That would be great. There's no way he would know. This is a moment. Maybe we're jumping the gun on some of this gameplay and how we would do it. it. Maybe that's why. Because if I'm Bob and I watched her or heard, I'm sure he's probably heard at this point that she was talking too much of breakfast. And now Jeremy comes up to me, this is that opportunity to be like, ooh, interesting. Maybe you're on to something, Jeremy. And then you can go tell her anyway, just to like protect yourself. But then keep pumping people

up about Danielle and just get her out. Like if she's, then you don't even have to vote for her. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, just get other people on to her. And then that's the other thing, too. If I'm DQ Bob, I point Jeremy at her, we vote Danielle off. She is. is a traitor. Looks pretty good for Bob. Just saying it looks pretty good for Bob. From part of the game. Yeah, correct.

But you get the Bambies, which is Nikki, Crisell, and Brittany, I believe. Now I'm questioning everything. It might be Gabby is the third one. I don't know. I have to go back and watch. She just sits there from time to time, maybe? They're the Bambies. Maybe her eyes aren't Bamby enough?

I don't know. I don't know what the rules are for this club. Yeah, they're in a crew. I like this crew. I think that they have a pretty solid grasp of how they want to play. Yeah. Like they've kind of, they speak up enough. And they seem to be a shoulder for people to, like,

on and talk to, but they're not directly in the mix. Creschelle a little bit more just because of the sand of all stuff. But like we talked about, I think if I'm anybody else in the group watching that interaction, I'm like, neither of these two are traders, they just fucking hate each other. And I think that's an easy wash. But the three

most skeptical people that suspects? Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. Tony, Danielle, DQ. Bob. They're the three that are on the chopping block. Tony, reputation precedes himself. Danielle doing too much. DQ.C. Bob brought up Wells. sticking because Dylan is kind of he's the one that's moving around telling people that and again

emotions right emotions play a fucking huge role in this because when DQ Bob catches wind of it he's fucking pissed he's like if he wants to say my name I'm going to make sure he shuts the fuck up blah blah blah like I'm going to go ham on him it's too much Bob is too much I thought it was too much I thought it was a little bit too much I think he tries to portray that he's a lot he tries to portray that his personality is really out there, and I think it's a really good move. Because if you keep doing that, even about innocuous shit, people are going to look at you and say, well, you know, that's just EQ Bob. That's what he's going to do.

That's all we got to see from him. Okay. And I'm on board. And I think it works for him, but it doesn't work for Daniel. No, it doesn't. But it works for Bob because it's believable. And like, when you go to his confessionals, he's very self-aware of how he's playing the game. I just thought in this, I think he took it a little personally.

And again, we're going to have those moments. And that's clearly a big part of this show. is where your emotions get too involved. He's pissed off at Dylan. He doesn't like that he's been brought out into the limelight. So I thought it was too much. And I think that's actually confirmed with after we get out the round table. And DQ Bob is obviously still alive.

Dylan's obviously still alive. Dylan goes up to him and tries to play nice. I'm jumping the gun a little bit. And he's like, ah, you know, like we're good. Like, I just thought for a second, but now I don't think so anymore. Go to confession. Dylan's like, oh, it's still him for sure. Yeah, it's definitely still him.

I just need to get my ducks in a row. Yeah, definitely. But that was a great place. Step back. Tom's got ducks, by the way. Tom, got a rubber ducky. Oh, no. How about that?

I wasn't going to talk about the bathtub. I was. Why? Because he's got a fucking rubber ducky, bro. I think the more alarming thing about that is he's sitting there like, what's that? He looks like the thinker, but he's holding it. He's just holding his duck staring. Yeah, because he's an idiot.

Get this shot, guys. Check this out. Staring. What is this yellow thing? Has anybody else? ever thought about what the yellow rubber ducky means do you guys sometimes feel like you're a yellow rubber ducky i do i think this is a microcosm for the show this is a microcosm for ariana i'm the rubber duck and i drown in the bathwater you guys get it yeah tom sandville i'm i'm lost where were we

oh okay jeremy snitches on dylan to bob and that's when bob gets upset and like i said i thought it did a little too much we get to the round table and dylan he's the one that starts it off this time I think now it's a good move to be the first person to talk. Yeah. I think now we've done this enough times where it's like, all right, somebody has to start the conversation, and if the same person keeps doing, it's going to be a little obvious. So we need some new people to step up. Dylan decides to jump in, points the finger, DQ Bob, because of the Wells scenario.

And the best part about this is Dylan pegged exactly what his game was, where it wasn't, you pointed at Wells, and you're the one that kept hammering at home. It's like, you pointed at Wells, then you stepped back. And that was obvious to me. It's like, boom, you're paying attention. That's exactly what he did. He said everybody else after Wells. And then he let the chaos ensue.

Bob gets a little activated. And he said, I said, people are saying your name. I didn't say that I'm voting for Wells. It's like, yeah, you're confirming that was your plan because that's what he just said to you. Yeah, exactly. And that's really all he does. That's really all he does here because he just gets activated enough where it looks like he's getting pissed off again. Correct.

Like, how dare you throw my name out there? Why? What did I do? I have to talk. That's my favorite. Yeah. Continue. I want you to continue. But my favorite is when people get called out, like, why me? Why me? It's like, oh, God. What did I do? Yeah, exactly. I'm telling you what you did. Shut up. And now you're doing it again. You're just confirming what you did. Nobody's paying attention, though. Everybody's still, for whatever reason, because I know Robin speaks out saying it's definitely not DQ Bob. A couple other people are still thinking the same thing. They're like, nah, I don't really think it is. Dylan's the only one who's got him pegged. Yes. Jeremy's got a couple people pegged. He does. Jeremy's good. Right now, he's only floating around Danielle, but I, I don't really. I would bet a lot on Jeremy knowing a little bit more than he's leading on.

I think so, too. Even in this moment when he's going through everything, and obviously you can see the different types of gameplay here, where Dylan is convinced that it's Bob, but he really, he talked to a couple people, but he's not bringing much more to the table than just, hey, you called out Wells last week. I just want to have a conversation.

He, instead of just saying, I want to have a conversation about you, he tries to immediately accuse it. Yes. Can't really do that. It's a little too strong. You just need to float a name out there and see what happens. The float seems to be the move. Yeah.

Yeah. And then that's all you have to do is back down and be like, look, I just wanted to discuss it. See if anybody else thought you were suspicious? If they don't, then we'll go ahead and vote it. And that's the after conversation that Dylan has them. Dylan's playing smart. He's playing smart now, but I think he learned very quickly. He's like, uh, I need more.

But that's, I think, going to be. I need help. Yes. The crucial part of this game is learning along the way. I mean, like, ah, and he does immediately after the meeting, he steps back and says, I need to take a step back, find a friend, and see how this all. And somebody, well, he might find Danielle that he trusts. Yeah.

Talk to her about it, which isn't going to help you. But you see, Jeremy, who's convinced that it's Danielle, has a lot of evidence. Doesn't say a word. No. Just doesn't want to float it out there because he doesn't have enough and he doesn't have enough support. And he thinks that it's going to come from left field, and then it might peg him as potentially being a traitor. And if you jump the gun on somebody, then they can run on defense and then the other traders can get involved in different directions. Well, I don't think that Danielle would play that good of defense based on what we've seen.

I don't know. That's my whole point. I think that she's somebody you can press and she's going to panic and hit the panic throttle and then starts saying way too much and be like, oh, she's clearly a traitor. And I think that'll, again, we might be jumping the gun and saying some of this where it's like that might be a play for like four episodes down the road. It might be, but I'll tell you one thing. We're caught up now. Oh, we're definitely gone up. So we can't possibly be spoiling anything for you.

No, there's no more. We didn't get sc graders for this. So we don't know it out. No, I wish we did. Yeah. I would have watched it all on one day. Absolutely, without a doubt. But again, that's like when Bob.

goes, why would I kill Ion? It's like, I can list five fucking reasons. It's the housewives thing. It throws them off of your scent. It throws, like, now you're pointing the finger at Rob and you're pointing the finger at Dolores. And then also, nobody's safe now because ion wasn't doing anything. There's a lot of reasons why you would pick somebody as an innocuous as an ion. So I think that he did too much in this. I think that he only made that target a little bit bigger. Calling all book lovers, the Toronto International Festival of Authors brings you a world of stories all in one place. Discover five days of readings, talks, workshops and more

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Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a responder anytime 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada Tony and Bob H get into it and now Jeremy says that Tony crushed my dreams on survivor and I would have put a lot more stock into this I think and I know a lot of this is hearsay and a lot of this is trusting people's guts and instincts but if Jeremy's like he fucked me over so bad he kept me from winning the show I do not think that he is a traitor now you could also be like oh fuck maybe jeremy's the traitor trying to protect the traitor but i would have listened to that i think i think i would have taken more stock in somebody

that knows him that well somebody that does not particularly like him saying i don't think it's him i still think they're trying to figure out how to even play the game maybe so maybe they should have gone back and watched the first and second season so they could figure it all out because you're not going to get somebody like eye on you're not going to get somebody like wells being a traitor it just wouldn't make any sense they're they're not good enough at these games to manipulate So they're not going to be traders. But instead, they're just like, oh, everybody else is voting for this person. I think this makes sense.

I agree. And I think this is when I gave Rob it a little bit more credit because, yes, she's wrong with her pick. Yeah. But she does a good enough job in her explanations and finger pointing to raise alarms enough. And I think she's a big proponent of why he was up for debate. And I think that Boston Rob was the last nail in the coffin. I think that this went almost exactly how B. Robb wanted it to go. He didn't really want to get involved.

He only got involved just to get the scent off of the traders. Correct. And to just finish it off with Tony, where he's like, you know what? He's going to throw this out there. I gave him my shield, haven't talked to him since. And it's like, that's just enough to not make it obvious that B. Rob's a traitor. But just enough to say that's kind of sketchy, right, guys?

And at this point in the game, there's so many people. It's like, we're just looking for things that don't sit right. Yeah. That's a big one. Very big one. And Boston Rob. Boston Rob did say, I don't know if you're a traitor. but I don't know if you're not, like three times.

And he, like, it's like, eh, it's a little too much. But at the same time, it also points to even if you're not, dude, you're moving sketchy and I don't trust you. I don't want you. I don't want you here faithful or traitor because I can't trust you. That's enough. And I think what you get here, and I think this is going to be a big sticking point, probably throughout the show is like you said, popularity vote. Yep. When people start pointing the finger at one person enough.

Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of history. Correct. So you're going to get that, like, angry mob. I will say I am surprised and disappointed for Tony, though. I am. The reputation of him coming in is that he's cutthroat, he's ruthless, he knows how to play the game. He played a horrible game. Did a very bad job.

Can't get into it with Bob H. No, dude. Bob H is like he's such a sweet dude. He yells at people on the biggest loser, but he's quite clearly not a traitor. No. Again, hindsight train. Tony was very clumsy. I mean, he was even suggesting that it could be Dorinda.

He was getting into it with her in the first episode. he gets into it with Bob H. He's accusing Bob H in the car on the way back for the mission of being one. It's like, what are you doing? He's not playing like the rest of, like somebody like Jeremy, who Tony screwed him over and won. You would think that Tony,

and they kept saying like he's one survivor so many times, he's got this and that. He's no stranger to the way that this game has played. He can be manipulative. He can be conniving. He wasn't. Too rambunctious. He was very rambunctious.

He was very defensive. And he was very quick to point a finger. And that just doesn't work in this game. Correct. Correct. And we get the votes, and I mean, Tony lost by like a fucking landslide. Robin catches one vote from Ivar. I swear to God, he's going to vote for a woman every time. This fucking misogynist royal dick. Jeremy throwing out Tom. He's like, this is just a waste of money.

He literally says. I don't think anybody's going to vote for Tom because nobody thinks he's actually a traitor. He's too stupid. He didn't want to vote for Tony. He didn't want to vote for, yeah. So he votes for Tom. And again, if I am Tom and I have a brain, I'm using this. It's a lot of ifs. I know, it's a lot of ifs, and thank God I'm not him. But this is great for you because you just had somebody that is pointing fingers at a lot of people vocally. I mean, he's not doing it out in the open, but he's moving, Jeremy's moving around. And he just took the scent completely off of you, Tom. And I think that your beef with Crischel did that unintentionally because, again, people are looking at both of you going, they just don't like each other.

Yep. So I think, like we said, I don't know if is this episode or last episode, I do think that Sandoval is here for a while. I think we've said this three times. Yeah, I think he's... I do think he's here to stay. Look, I mean, we're scared. We're got a couple of scared bros over here. A couple of scared bros.

We don't want to deal with Tom Sandoval for every episode of this season. If they rip him every episode, I'm down. Yeah, I'm okay if people just keep floating out insults because that's incredible for me. But I want him off the screen. I'm getting tired of him already. You got tired of him after the first episode.

Can't do it anymore. Somebody vote him out. Yeah, please get him out. I don't think he's going anywhere, dude. I really don't. I think he's too much of an obvious non-trader where it's just too easy. The only way he's out is if the traitors get tired of him.

Yeah. You know? For sure. But I think that calls more attention to the traitors if you get rid of it. Now it's similar to getting rid of an ion. I'm not comparing ion to Sandoval. Ion is much more delightful than Sandoval. Just as far as.

It would be a waste. Not an issue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. But Tony gets whacked. I wrote Death by B, Rob, because he was the final nail in the coffin. Group is shook, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because 13 people voted for Tony, but they're still rattled by the whole thing. Once he reveals that he's faithful,

it's complete chaos. So it actually worked out once again. The traders are coming out of this spelling pretty good, but then my brain starts going. I'm like, all right, they have created too much chaos now. Because now there's just no rhyme or reason to anything between who do we get rid of? We got rid of Ion, Derinda, and now Tony.

Yep. three very different players. So there's no rhyme or reason. Now, I mean, they only got rid of Durinda and Ion. Right. And then so that doesn't, no, but I'm saying, but I'm saying as far as people now knowing that the three people gone are faithful.

Right. I think that you've now furthered Dylan in thinking that it's DQ Bob because three people just got whacked and none of them were close. You're furthering Jeremy thinking it's Danielle. People that are suspicious now have more reason. Somebody, the traders should have gotten together and been like, hey, we need to just, someone has to bite the bullet here and take a little shit and then we're going to try to point it away from me.

But somebody in the traders crew needed to step up there to throw the sent off. Yeah. Because now people that have suspicions, they can further those because nobody, I mean, I think the group was turned on Tony. Right. But the conversations beforehand, people weren't like clamoring for Tony's head until we sat down at that table. So I think they could have done themselves some favors. I think there's too many fingers being pointed at traders right. now and not enough deflection.

Yep, I would agree with that. But that's when we get to after the roundtable and DQ Bob approaches Dylan, Dylan's like, ah, bro, don't worry about it. I was just fucking with you, man. Takes a step back, says verbally and his confessional, I need to find a friend. Until then, I am kind of bowing out. You know, see how everyone's moving. I think that's a smart play.

And everyone just needs to be wary of Boston Rob. I think that, I don't know. I guess the frustration for me in the reception of Boston Rob. we called it before we even recorded our first episode we were talking as soon as there was one person standing there and Boston Rob was the guy to reveal the mask and didn't get involved in the show. We both, like, he's clearly going to come back

at the end of this episode, he does. If he comes back and I know as a contestant that we all banish this guy without a chance, I'm just taking the odds here and going, he's going to be a fucking traitor. He's going to be a traitor. Why did not one person bring up Boston Rob, who everyone's afraid of.

Yeah, I don't really understand it. I think it's still a little too soon for any of those three. Yeah, I think I'm just jumping the gunks. I'm excited. I know. I just think that it's a little too early for them, because I keep thinking the same thing where you don't really see, like Derek and Wes are still trying to get their feet under them.

Boston Rob obviously talked to Tony, but then didn't talk to him the next day. None of those three is really talking to anyone except for each other, and that's even brief. The rest of it, they're just kind of sitting there listening. Yeah. So they're playing the game a completely different way. And that's why they were all brought in together.

But I'm looking at, I'm thinking the same thing. It seems very obvious that at least one of them. And I think somebody actually said it in the second episode. Chances are one of them is a traitor. Yeah. Take your pick. It's like just take your pick. Who cares?

And swing and miss. At worst, you're going to get rid of a really good game player who you're going to have to fight for that money at the end. I just don't understand why they're taking out the weak players first. They're not even weak. Just like people that have yet to show themselves as a real contender. Like, Tony, I get, all right? Tony, I understand, but again, it's the same concept. He got into an argument with Bob H.

And that's why he's gone. It's like, okay, well, that's not traitor behavior. Everybody that gets accused is going to argue. DQ Bob went and argued with Dylan as soon as he called him out. He made a scene about it. He made a huge scene about it. Why is nobody pointing the finger at him now? He got let off the hook very easily.

And I think that's where Dylan recognized, like, ooh, I need to back on. I think we're still early in the game. I still think it's like personal vend at us. It is. Oh, totally is. We see a lot of that. We see a lot of fights, a lot of finger, pointing. And it all comes back to, well, this person screwed me over in this game. I know that

they're ruthless. Let's keep our eye on that person, things like that we're seeing right now. Eventually, it's going to progress to something else. And that's what I'm looking for. But that's why I need justice for Dorinda. That's why I need her back on this show is because I think as she started to get her feet wet with this game, there's no way that somebody that's that well-versed in the housewives realm. Knowing how to move a certain way, keep certain receipts in your pocket for later get people on your team only to tear them down later like that is the recipe of a housewife show and roney was one of the best at doing that i need her back i think that we all missed out on a fabulous season of tv from derinda because they whacked her first and i get that's the game i get

we can't go back and i get that we're all just going to sit here and say things like this and look at some point she was going to stop making bluestone manner jokes yeah eventually eventually we would have gotten past those seven or eight maybe probably not at the last we probably would have gotten through it than the last episode, she would have made another one. But I think that she would have been out of the four housewives over here. She made the most sense to me. Yeah. So I'm bummed out that we're not going to get our Dorinda moments at all.

I do think that once she got used to how it's played, we would have seen a wildly different performance out of her. I think it would have shifted drastically. We could be getting that from Dolores. I've got some hope. Solo might come out. Yeah, she might come up. Just because she was a little strong in the beginning and then she kind of faded and now

she lost two housewives and she keeps referring to them as her friends when she picks up the picture which is still hilarious but i think that she might be able to figure it out i don't have a lot of hope but i've got some hope i think dolo is the second best contender sierra's still on the shell sierra still she's doing a great job she's doing enough now because she spoke up at the round table to at least get involved but then kind of sink back in and look we know sierra's really smart she may figure out how to play this game in a very sierra kind of way which is just kind of being over here on the side and then chiming in and then back and back down. I think that's early on you can do one of two things. Be that, be a Sierra, or you can take the more

obvious approach with like a DQ Bob and like just be that guy every week. But that's also hard to sustain because people are every day. And that's where I said the gameplay should change day to day. But our traders, they have a new task. They need to come up with a short list of three and they need to do it in front of everybody at the house, the castle, and they need to convene in the wine cellar behind the bookcase, put their three in a little coffin, and then later those three are going to be laid out in coffins, and they physically put nails in the coffin to vote on their person.

Okay. So we watch chaos as they try to figure it out. The majority of them, you got Boston Rob, DQ, Bob, Danielle, find their way into the wine cellar. They make it look like Robbins there kind of peeking. I don't know if she actually was. They kept doing that and they did it later too. And I don't think that who was it with?

So, well, Carolyn walks in. Carolyn walks. Derek walks by the room. Yeah, Derek walks by the room. He kept looking around. Wes was looking around and clocks. Yeah. That was fun.

Maybe he's a clock guy. Big clock guy, I guess. Yeah, who the whole knows. And then I'm trying to remember which one of the Bambies was looking at the end. Oh, fuck. Yeah, I forget which one. But yeah, you do get that like heart racing moment and then like, Carolyn walks in, so she finally finds them, but not before drawing all kinds of attention to

herself. As she goes from room to room, dude, you just went in that room. Yeah. Why would you go back? You're in the hallway. If someone else entered that room, you would have seen them in the hallway. So she's calling all kinds of attention to herself. I do firmly believe that she is underestimated.

I think she's a good player in this game. I think that the traitors need to be whittled down for her to step into a role where they're like, okay, because she's had better ideas than Danielle. I was bad. Yeah, she's not being a good trader at all. He's really bad at this. Boston Rob is obviously going to step up probably. I mean, he started a little bit more in the seller.

But he, that's, I think that's his move. It's like just putting a, what do you think about the idea of throwing a trader in the coffin? Because I think it's dumb. I think it's stupid. I think that it calls attention. Just don't call it. There's too many. This is the only murder where it's like, hey, we're going to put three people out here.

It's like, well, obviously they're going to put a traitor in there. That's too obvious. Yeah. Danielle's idea. And DQ. same thing. But I think DQ Bob's like, let's put Danielle in. Yeah.

You might be on to something. You know, I do, I really think that DQ Bob... I think they were thinking Carolyn because she wasn't there. Yeah, probably. But I think that if you put Danielle in, that would be a good play because it's so blaringly obvious after her performance of breakfast. But I'm with you, especially given the fact that we still have a lot of contestants. Yeah.

There's too many other people to be able to focus on. Right. To put the crosshairs on a trader this early. Yeah. So I'm with Boston Rob there. I think, like you said, that's such an obvious play. Right. Like, oh, let's stick some one of us in there.

It's like, why would you when there's 15 other people to pick from right now? But you know what? Let's get to some questions. Let's see what the people think. From L. Dub, why are these traders so dumb? They should have used Durinda as a shield. They have no plans. We agree.

We don't know. Hey, our sentiment, this is why you are our audience. God, I love you guys. Who is that from? That was L dub. L-dub, thank you. From Sabrina Sabel 1, who would you have gotten rid of instead? I'm going to say instead of Ion, because she was the last murdered.

Oh, instead of Ion? Yeah. Well, I think Tony's gone already. Well, he had a shield anyway, so he was... That's true. I'm getting rid of... Oh, fuck, I can't, because they're shielded, Derek and Wes. So, looking around that room...

I would have gotten rid of one of the Bambies, honestly. I would have gotten rid of... Or Ivor, just to get rid of Ivor. Ivar, I think, would have been a really good. one to do. I think that if I'm getting rid of somebody from a traitor standpoint, I'm going to go for, I'm taking down Brittany. Because I think what that does, obviously people are trying to figure out the obvious gameplays. I think the housewives thing was pegged pretty early. They're like, all right, well, that's clearly a move. The other thing that's been posited out there is the Brittany Danielle

situation. So I think that by going down that path of being like, oh, they're trying to make it look like Danielle did it, I think it's so obvious that it's not obvious. Yeah. No, I agree with that. So I think, yeah, I would have... I think that's a good move. Would have got rid of Brittany. And if I'm roundtable, I'm getting rid of Boston Rob. I don't know why they wouldn't have gone after him. Yeah, right? From Destiny

Mitchell, do you think they are giving the Housewives too much credit? Rob and Ion are no Fadra. Yeah, I don't even think it's credit. I don't think it's credit either. I think it's a dumb game plan. They're just looking at, they got so locked in on this Housewives theory that they're blind to

everyone else playing the game. They can't look through the housewives to see all of the other people. Again, if it's early, maybe get rid of some of the heavy hitters that you know from Survivor, Big Brother, or the challenge, or whatever the fuck. Just get rid of some of these fucking people.

From Max June, which three should be in the coffin? Okay. That's a good one. Because everybody's up for grabs right now. Nobody got a shield. Nobody got a shield. So if I'm putting three in the coffin, I'm putting Dylan in there, because Bob will say he's on to me, I think that's obvious, but I think that you need to go on with the plan of getting rid of Dylan.

Dylan is a good player, and I think he's made that aware. People are going to double think that too, thinking, oh, wait, is this too obvious because he accused Bob of being a traitor? Would Bob want to do this? I'm leaning into the skepticism where I'm putting him in there. I'm putting Jeremy in there. And then I'm going to put Chris Shell because it kind of looks like Tom. Would have put her in. I like that. So that points the finger at like an idiot again. So that that's my three. Yep. I'm into that. From Outdoor Lose. Hey, Loz.

I'm the only one who hates themselves right now for actually liking and rooting for Robin. I'm not really there yet. Yes. I think it's just you, buddy. I'm not. I'll give you a little piece of mind there, pal. She's doing better than I thought she'd be doing. And again, she's pointing the finger at the wrong people, but she says it with enough conviction

that she's getting people to back her. I think that's important, especially early on. So how about that, Lose? No, I'm not rooting for her, but I'm pleasantly assertion. surprised by her performance. From Waheen 214, what brand of deodorant was Tird Sandoval using? I have PTSD

from those pit stains. I don't something natural. Do you know what I did this week? I've, I said fuck it, I'm done with natural deodorants. I bought Old Spice again. You were doing old, or you were doing natural deodorants? Dude, I, look, I know that they're not good

for you. They have aluminum in them, and like I got a cyst when I was 18 from Old Spice, because Like, I can't use the blue stuff that gives me... Yeah, I use the white stuff, yeah. I use the same thing. But that stuck with me so much. I'm like, you know what, if I can make the shift to natural...

And we talked about natural deodorant before. When I tell it, because, like, I don't have body odor. And you can attest to this, Dev can attest... I don't know what it is. For whatever reason, I don't stink most of the time. Yep. While I was using natural deodorant... Everybody's going to think I'm just sniffing you now, but yep.

Yeah, come over and smell me. Yep. You could, though. I haven't put on deodorant in three days. There's no... Three days? I don't have to. seriously come smell me no come on for the to do it no thank you when i walk by you close do you smell

me no and i i still have a little hold my breath a little old spice under my under my armpits but that's my point i haven't needed it but when i wear the two i'm not going to say them out loud but one rhymes of smatchrel and one or schmative i mean shmative and one rhymes with schmando they make me smell like shit so i fuck it i said fuck it i'm buying the real stuff that's great yeah I can't do it anymore. What was the question? I don't know. Something about what brand of deodorant is using.

I said natural. Yeah, one of those two, Schmando or Schmative. There you go. Last one here from Nick Sims. Would you want to be a traitor or a faithful? Trader. I mean, I think the obvious answer is being a traitor because it sounds fun. I would like to be a faithful, though, too.

It would be a lot of fun to play the game. The fun part to me, that's irrelevant. My reason with being a traitor is I want to control my own destiny. Yeah. I want to be able to whack people and then try to defend. myself at a round table versus just be a faithful and just be up to somebody else. I don't like that. Fair point.

But I can't wait for Thursday. Like truly, I can't wait for the next episode to drop. I hope that from here and out it's one. Yeah. Only for our sake and for the sake of you at home listening or driving or wherever you get your podcast. I don't like that. Nope.

I don't like that at all. But yeah, I love this show. And I'm excited for this. show. I think there's only one episode Thursday. I think so. I think we're on the one. That's the new thing now is to drop three and then. But yeah. Anyway, big fan. I want to end it with one thing. Okay. Yep. We're going to prop bet a little bit. Okay. I think a top two that you think you're going to finish. Okay. All right. So I want, actually, know what will go three that are going to finish? Let me pick one trader and one faithful. I like that. They're going to make it to the end.

Yeah. Uh, I think, I know you're going to say, Carolyn. I'll say Carolyn, too. Carolyn is my trader that I think's going to make it. And I think, let's go Bravo. I think Dolores is going to make it to the end. Dolo might sneak through. I'm going to go with wild card answer in the faithful of Sierra, because I think she's going to sneak by,

and I think she's too intelligent to not figure out how to play this game. I wanted to go with one of the Bambies, but I just think that by being in a click too early, you're drawing attention to yourself. My traitors, I do agree Carolyn, but just to play devil's advocate a little bit. But if DQ Bob can make it through the next few episodes, I think he's going to be okay.

If Dylan happens to go home, that's the big one, right? I think if Dylan goes home and he can get through the skepticism of Dylan going home, I think he's going to be all right. Yeah. I think Boston Rob is the best trader right now, but I think he's just too obvious because of his back. Yeah, I think once the numbers start to dwindle,

they're going to be in on that. Just to be like, you know what? He probably is, and if not, he's still too good. Yep. So, yeah, I'm going to go with Carolyn. I still feel like we haven't seen how Wes and Derek are going to play this game, and I want to see that. I think they, like, but I, that's why they're still gathering into them. I think they're going to be really tough, but I do think there's a lot to be said about the people that aren't from these kinds of shows because they're not going to have a target for a while.

West, Derek, Boston, Rob, those guys, people are going to look at the Carolyn, Danielle, Jeremy. They're just going to naturally look towards them. Yeah. So I don't, but at the same time, who the fuck? knows. I'm excited. I'm pumped. But you got anything else? Nope. Well, bro, bros are out of here, and that's the show, so the bro's got to go.

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