Bros & Shows - The Valley: Persian Style ROCKS (Valley Persian Style Premiere Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

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We got a new show alert, and I am in love with this show so far. Yeah, it starts off strong. As soon as people start bringing out the fact that you're very low class and the things that you're doing, it's a show I want to watch. Music to my ears. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a...

I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo's. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite show from the Bros.

For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only shot her m-gotter. Sounds like you're doing a Scottish accent. Or you're taking a shot. Yeah, but you just did a Scottish accent at the end of that. Yeah. As long as we're on the same page there.

Whoa. Scotty's going crazy over there. Scottie wants to comment. You like the show, too. Yeah. Who didn't like this show? honestly, this is maddening by Bravo. Oh, yeah.

Not only is there two episodes, we didn't know there were two episodes, because Bravo didn't tell anybody. They just decided to do a double drop. But also, it's so damn good, and it seemed like they didn't fucking promote this at all. And I get that it's a continuance of Shaz's a sunset, so a lot of people that enjoyed that show are going to tune in for this show. What about the newbies? What about people who didn't watch that?

Do they have any clue what's going on? No. It's pretty surprising, honestly. And, you know, at the departure of Shaz, originally, a lot of people were upset that it was gone. I was upset it was gone, even though I haven't watched the whole thing. Every time I've watched an episode of Shaz of Sunset, I've always enjoyed myself. So this seems like a no-brainer, but I think the more frustrating thing is we get this. They double-drop us.

We weren't ready for that. So we're going to do episode two tomorrow, don't worry. But they double-drop us. And you've been keeping all of these stars in a closet for how long have they've been. been off the air four years, three years? Four, I think. Unbelievable. Because the charisma of this cast out of the gate is better than five shows currently airing that were not stopped. So I don't understand why you were withholding this cast. Thank God they're back. And the newbies, quote unquote, that we don't know, they're great. I was so impressed because it's a premiere.

It felt like they've been doing this, and I know some of them have, but the cast is so cohesive. It felt like this show has been airing for a decade. Yeah, the cast is really cohesive. And weirdly enough, and we've had a lot of talk about this, because it seems like they're gearing up, and this might just be the only other one, but it seems like they're gearing up for some sort of a Valley franchise.

This felt like a Valley show. I know they all live in the Valley or close to the Valley. A couple are in Encino, I think I saw. Encino Man. Encinom Man. But it just... Brandon Fraser. That is Brendan Fraser, yeah.

That's when he's defrosted as a... As a caveman, yeah. Anyway. But it had the feel of a Valley show, and I felt like this show hit the ground running so much more than the Valley did. And the Valley had, which was a very admittedly good little crossover with the VPR towards the end, this worked out super well. And another thing to keep an eye on, which we already know,

I have a theory about shows like this. We brought it up during the Valley for the other one. The couples that are still together that were on reality TV that went through a lot, lull where they weren't on reality TV. When they come back, they get divorced like immediately. Yeah. It's almost like they see this as a sign from God, like, oh, thank God. I can do this as part of the show. It's a built-in storyline. I've been wanting to leave this person for so fucking long. I'm fully convinced that Jackson Brittany would probably still be married if it wasn't for reality TV. If they didn't come back into that show, I don't think that they would have been forced or pushed to finally get

divorced. And it was the right call. Don't get me wrong. But we find out immediately because the beginning of this episode, is MJ and Tommy, and there's just zero chemistry here. They clearly do not like each other. And I knew that I heard something through the grapevine a while ago, and it was back in October, they got divorced. So, yeah, I think that once you start filming for a reality TV show, if you're with an unhappy partner, yeah, it's just grounds for divorce. Why not?

That's what seems to happen, at least in our experience. And I mean, relatively speaking, I can understand why, like not actually, but from a show standpoint, going from the spotlight, and Reza talks about a little bit in this episode. We actually did randomly a live show with Reza and Gigi out in L.A. three, two years ago? I don't know how long. Yeah.

That was a while ago. You probably don't remember. Three years, I think. You were 15 old-fashioned's deep by the time we got to the show. I was like ripping a heater with Reza outside. Oh, yeah, yeah. You crushed some heaters with Reza. I forgot about that.

Yeah. So anyway, I feel like when they go from the spotlight, to normal life again. It's almost like they accept what they have, and that's life. Yep. And then they get back on TV, and it's like, I'm not anormi anymore. Bye, and they just kick the spouse to the curb. Yeah.

Because they're back on TV. I don't need you anymore. It's crazy how quickly we're on divorce watch. It's not just those two. There's another couple that looks like they're heading towards divorce. Guy and Bomsey. Yeah. So I don't know what the hell's going on and what's gotten into them.

Maybe there's something in the drinking water in the valley. who knows. Oh, wait, there's something there. You think so? You can't say that it's not worth a study because the other stuff happened in the Valley, too. Is this like the low electromagnetic field around the 49ers facility that keeps leading

to all of them getting hurt? Yeah, that's exactly, because think about it. I know Katie and Schwartz weren't married, but basically, whacked. Sandoval and Ariana, whacked. Jacks and Brittany, whacked. Jesse?

Jesse, that's right. Jesse and Michelle whacked. And then here we have AJ and Tommy. And we got Sky and Bomsey, which is what a great nickname. I believe his name is Bombsod.

Yeah. But Bomsy and Sky, I think we, if you're a betting man, we put a lot of money on these two not making it. Yeah, there's just no way possible. And I also just love the feel of this show.

And I did watch a couple episodes of Shaw back in the day. They just say whatever the fuck comes to their minds. And it's not met as like, abrasive unless you take it that way. A lot of times they'll say something, and usually it's Resa that says it, and it's taken as such like good advice. Like, thank you for involving yourself in my life.

I am so much better for having you do that. And it makes no sense to me, but it's really fascinating to watch on TV. It's good, too, because when it doesn't go well, it leads to a great fight. And this cast, they argue and have confrontation better than anybody, because they're all witty as shit. They're all quick. They all clap back. They're not afraid to say some fucked up stuff.

They're not afraid to get in people's faces and drag things out. Like, they have all the pieces. Like, Reza was born for reality TV. Yeah, I wonder what he's been doing. Is he just been like in a slumber for three or four years? I don't know. I mean, he's been doing the show. I'm surprised that him and Adam are still together.

Like, honestly, I really thought that they weren't going to be together. I don't want them. They don't count on that list because I love watching those two together. I don't want them to get divorced. But it was just bizarre. But it was just bizarre, and I love those beginning scenes for, you know, we'll call it a continuance show. They sit down and they're having this discussion about, like,

what do you want to do in life? You know, I always thought that I was going to be 76 years old with like some sort of cigarette holder kind of just talking about my glory days. Walking around West Hollywood. Yeah. And then they're like, yeah, you know, we're talking about having kids. And I'm like, did you guys just put all of these conversations on ice in the hopes that maybe you could be on TV again and then start them up again?

Maybe. I think that's how these people operate, and I wouldn't want it any other way. No, it's so good. They really impressed me. And with premieres, we jump around a lot, and it's a lot more about introducing characters. There's so much that happens in this episode, though? That's what I appreciated. I mean, part of me was like, Jesus, I don't even know names yet.

And now I've got to jump into some legit storylines in episode one. But the other part of me is like, hell yeah, this is how you start a show off. Like, give us all of this stuff. Give us this amazing cast. You're completely right. they might, God, this is the kiss of death, I'm knocking on wood, as I'm saying this, but they might be onto something with this valley model. And I'm, how many more people can live in the valley?

The valley's big, it's big, no, but like, my concern. Are there any other shows that have ties to that? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's where I get a little apprehensive because the valley obviously worked. I know it's episode one, but all signs are pouring to they, they caught lightning in a bottle again with this one, I'm afraid about the next one.

Then they're going to get a little cocky. They're going to be like, oh, we can put anybody in the valley. And that's what they're going to do. See, I think they're doing it like bi-coastly, where they have that New York pipeline of Summer House to In the City. They also have NextGen in New York,

so they can kind of just mix and match different things for different shows. And they're also doing it over here where you've got VPR rolling off. They're going to have some sort of other show that's going to be non-valley-centric, but it's close enough where you can just kind of pipeline into another Valley show.

They might have stumbled on. Maybe that's what they're doing, and maybe that's why housewives are just falling apart right now. It could be. And if that, because in my head, they, and if you guys still hear Scotty, she's really emphatic about this show. So she's going to be tuning in and chiming in throughout this whole thing. But if they stumbled on to this formula, and I unfortunately do believe that they probably didn't do this intentionally, but it started to like, oh, wait, these pieces are here.

these pieces are here. If they lean into this, like we're looking at sections of the country having their own little universe. Yeah. There's something there. There's definitely something there. And we're watching it work already. But so far,

it's working. So, like, if that's the route that we're going to lean into as we turn Bravo into the next generation, whatever that looks like, there's something there. I think that we might have actually found a formula that could be repeated. It could be.

Time will tell. Yeah, kiss of death. That's definitely not going to happen now. but let's jump in. And like I said, and we open up with intros, obviously, and just to, if you're not caught up on this episode yet, we'll give you the rundown here. So we got our relationship set up.

You've got Sky and Bombshot, Bomsey. They're married. They've been married for 17 years, and they have a 20-year age gap. Just about 19. 19, thank you. Then you've got Tannen and Greg, and Greg is broke, but Tannen has money. which is going to be very fun to analyze that whole thing. And then you had, they're also looking, wait,

then the scenes from this season, I think they're on the rocks too. Yeah, I mean, we can see that already. Yeah, I mean, honestly, there's the connection there between Sky and Tannen, where they're the ones that are traveling because they're the ones that have the money to go do these things. I guess Bomsy probably does too, but he's a little older.

He doesn't really want to do these things. So they go traveling all the time. Greg gets left behind because he's broke, and she doesn't let him use any of her money, but he tries to spin it in a very positive way later at Guy's night. And bombs, he just doesn't feel like doing it. They're both on the rocks. Easily.

Yep. I wonder if they're influencing each other unintentionally. I'm sure they're going on those trips and just talking shit about their husbands. They've got to be, right? Yeah. I will say something else. You got Natasha and Amir, who have three kids under five. Amir also was previously married, lost his first wife to cancer,

which was a very emotional scene. We'll get to later. then you've got the single we have a jacks somehow they got another jacks which is just resa jacks who is nothing like jacks thus far i do not even want to lump those two in but the fact that we have two valley shows and you got a jacks for both i don't know if that's good or bad jacks but we're on the right track i think maybe it's a good good jacks bad jacks situation oh i like that uh dr jacksill and mr hyde that works too cool Now, a big part of this episode is Gigi-centric.

So anyone that knows Gigi, we didn't watch a lot of Shaws, but we know a lot about Gigi just because she's such a polarizing character. She's never had a job. Self-proclaiming never had a job. And now she's reaching a point, I don't know if they went into it, but what's going on with her bankroll? I know that she's lived off of her parents' money her whole life. she's talking about now how she has to get off of her dad's money, start doing her own thing.

They need to save that money. Was there a reason for that? Did they hit financial strain? Or is it just like we're being careful with retirement? I think they're being careful with retirement. I think they're getting to the point now where she even alluded to it. Like once they're gone, then what happens? It seems like they're kind of moving towards having some sort of trust or will set up and things like that are going into play.

So maybe, and this could also just be for the cameras. I was like, all right, here's fun. Let's just cut you off. You can figure it out. I mean, yeah, that would be a great storyline because it's built in. But now I feel like they're saving money now because they don't trust that she'll be okay when they're gone. So not only did you take his money your whole life, but now at the end of their life, they're saving money to take care of you after life. Yeah, I mean, I'm not in the business of telling people how to raise kids, but you kind of already created this problem.

I think you've got to pay for it now. Yeah, you just have to keep going. You can't just stop. What is the rule on that? I'm not even mad at Gigi and being like, you should have found a job. Like, no, I mean, if your parents are just funneling money to you to live your life and spend $4,000 a month on weed. That was wild. Go, I guess, continue to do what you're going to do.

If your dad tells you, I have to stop, I'd be pissed off too. Yeah, you know what? I am pissed off. I have a five-year-old. What do you mean go get a job? Who gets jobs? Well, her first paycheck was through shop. I know.

Which is wild. Crazy. Absolutely crazy to hear. How old was she when she started Shaw's? I don't know how old she is now, so that's tough to answer. 30. Her first paycheck came at 30 years old, and it was probably a big paycheck at some point. I imagine it probably grew a little bit there.

Sure. Oh, my God. So, yeah, hasn't had a job. First job was age of 30, and now she is trying to figure out a way to one make money, and two, she has to move out of her house because her landlord is moving. back into the house. So we're on this big house hunt, and that's, that's pretty much what's taking up all of her time. Now, as Reza points out, in the Persian community, in the Middle Eastern community, they talk about each other's finances a lot. I guess it's a very big sticking point,

how to spend your money, what to do with your money. So Reza's very invested. Obviously, he's also got a relationship with Gigi. So he's trying to help her figure out this quote-unquote housing crisis. Yeah. They all sit down. And again, like I said, we kind of jump around. So bear with me here. But they all sit down. It's Adam. and Reza, sit down for coffee to go through everything. And this is where we find out about $3,000 to $4,000 a month on weed. Because Reza's trying to be the big brother. He's like, hey, you need to slow down everything.

You got to spend way less. Her taking umbrage with this stuff is one of two things. One, she's never understood how much money it takes to support her lifestyle. or two, she's genuinely upset because she doesn't want to be told how to spend her money. I think if we were to ask her prior to her dad cutting her off how much she spent on weed, she wouldn't be able to tell us. No way. I don't think that she would have an actual answer for us.

So I think that what we're getting right now is an actual round figure because she had to look and see how much she was spending on weed to try to find little places here and there that she could maybe save some money. That's where you save the money. Yeah. But it is also very funny because Rez is helping. But in a very res away where he's getting very involved and he feels like no one's telling her what to do. So he's going to tell her what to do. And she's taking umbrage as a normal person like, hey, butt out of my finances. Don't tell me that my credit is bad.

I don't want you talking about these things. But also she does need to hear it. So it's a very funny place to be. I agree. It's just that's where it gets confusing. Did she ask for help or are they just offering that? I mean, she needs help. I'm still confused too.

And again, that's why I kind of posited the theory that maybe this was for cameras a little bit. Because once she's talking to Resin, she's sitting down with Resa and Adam talking about what she's going to do. And is she going to be able to find a house? She has to start looking. She doesn't know how much she wants to spend. She did let slip at some point, like, my dad will take care of this. So I don't know if that's just her reverting back to what her life has always been. Or if she's like that.

He gave her a number. Like, I can do this. You have to do the rest. So I don't know if Reza knows that. I don't know if she knows that. I don't know what's true. I don't know if any of this is real, but I'm still going to be along for the ride. I think I would imagine based on the numbers that we're getting as far as scenes from next week,

we get like she found a house for 14.5 a month that she wants to rent. Something tells me her ballpark from dad is like 7 to 10. Yeah. Somewhere in that window. Yeah. Which you could get the 14.5 if you don't spend 4 grand on. How do you smoke an ounce of weed every two days? I have no idea.

She says the world would be a much worse place if I didn't have that. I don't, that's not physically possible. I don't think it is either, yeah. Is she giving it to people? Unless she's making baked goods. Maybe is, but she's not selling them. There you go, wait. There's no money coming in.

There could be. Could be. Unless she is actually ingesting that much. I don't. A lot of fucking weed. That's a lot of weed. I don't think that's doable. No.

You try it out. She has, what if she has like, this would actually be very funny, but what if she does have like some small off the books company out there where she is using all of that and then like creating oil from it and selling it out the back of her house? She's selling THC oil? Yeah. Well, that, no. She doesn't want to tell anyone. But she wouldn't have the storyline if she was making money. Yeah, but maybe the storyline's fake and she is making money, but she has to show that she is making money.

I don't think so because she's, she's pretty. She, uh, forthcoming. Yeah, and upset about this whole thing. Yeah, I can't tell if she's upset about this whole thing because of the situation it is or because now everybody knows what she's going through. And she doesn't want to deal with it. She just strikes me as a very much, like, now that I have to answer questions about this from fucking everyone, because that's how our lives are, I don't want to deal with it. That's fair. I don't know. This show is sponsored by Liquid Ivy. When do you say we have a little story time? You know me and Steele. We like me and Steele. We like, like to go way back, tell you guys all about the things that we used to do when we first became

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and I'll be guiding guests through the creepy questions and chaotic games, all to win the ultimate title of Horror Movie Champion. Listen to Tickled to Death, wherever you get your podcasts, And hit follow unless you want the show to follow you. Now let's go back to MJ and Tommy and what they're going through. So the biggest thing that we've seen with these two, granted we've only seen them from one episode, is that the spark's gone from what I've gathered.

The spark in this marriage seems to be out the window. We're blaming kids a little bit. But I think from what I've seen, this has a little bit more to do than just the kids. Yeah, I can't imagine what the, this conversation was like when they were contacted by Bravo and they're like, hey, we're thinking about doing a Shah's reboot. We're going to have a Gigi, Reza, we want you to be in an MJ. Tommy, please come along. I can't imagine that conversation went very well. Now, this is one of those

couples that I'm talking about when I'm looking at the in-between stages, where you've been off the air for a couple of years. What did your life actually look like through those years? Starting off hot, Yeah. They don't like each other. No. They simply just don't vibe. Tommy is basically telling their son to say random things. He's laughing at everything he says, which seems problematic, but I'm not going to tell somebody how to parent. MJ is just done with Tommy.

He's just mean mugging him. Fully done with Tommy. And obviously, if you watch Shaz before, you understand that there is a rift in here. Tommy does not like Reza because MJ was going through all of those things in the hospital. And Reza didn't seem to care. And then Tommy took Umbridge with that. So there was a whole thing, a whole meltdown and a huge rift between the two of them. They have not gotten back together in the interim at all.

It's actually gotten worse, it seems. So that is got to, I'm sure that has to put MJ in a tough spot going back to the show. It seems like she still has a pretty good relationship with Gigi and Reza. I mean, every time that they show up, they seem to hug and kiss. They've reconnected. I mean, that was a big selling point in the beginning of the episode. Yeah. It took a lot of work to bring these three back together.

Again, we always ask the question in these situations, was that genuine, hey, I miss you guys or hey, they want to do a reboot, but they need us to get along. Yeah, it's Teresa and Melissa. Correct. It's one of those situations. And look, it seems like it worked. I mean, I don't really see any striking issues. Now, obviously, Reza is not the one who's asking if Tommy's going to come along.

Other people are asking that. But this is clearly going to cause a lot of distress in this relationship, in the show. And as we know, they did file for divorce back in October. So the writing was on the wall almost instantly watching this episode. When did they start recording this? We need a timeline. don't have our flow charts. Oh, boy.

I mean, we could probably just look and see if we got to... Did they start filming and then file? Did we just get done filming and then we filed? That would time up somewhat because October, then you give them two, three months to edit. Mm-hmm. So maybe they filed like as soon as they stopped filming? Possibly. I'm going to look and see what I can find.

I'm looking on Gigi's Instagram to see if I can find Elijah's fifth birthday. But I did stumble upon what looks at. It looks like the dinner scene that we get at the end of this. Yeah. It was back in February. Okay. So they started filming, let's call it end of January or early February. Four or five months.

So, all right, they didn't file immediately after they got done filming. So they filmed probably, what, five, six months? Yeah, but that means, and we do like to prepare ourselves for these types of things, but we have some sort of timeline in line. I imagine they probably finished filming, let's call it September. Let's call it, let's call it like, oh, no, let's call it like July, August, somewhere around there. Either way, there's a few months afterwards, so we're just going to watch the downfall of these two

this entire season. I mean, you get as much from the scenes from later this season, but in this scene, you're seeing why. Like, her big thing is that she wants to feel wanted again. And Tommy's over here joking around, making fart jokes, calling himself a fat ass in front of the kid. Yeah. But there's just no, what's the word?

Love? Yeah. There doesn't seem to have any love in this marriage anymore. Friendship. Well, I don't. Again, we're basing this off of one episode, but from what I've seen, it's like she's trying to have actual conversations. Like, hey, we need to talk about career choices, boundaries, emotional distance, all of these different things. And every time she brings up anything, Tommy makes a joke and doesn't take it seriously.

She says as much in the confessional. She's like, I won't be sticking around to be Mrs. Bundy. Yeah. Good coach reference. Got Al Bundy. But yeah. So we have them on hanging on by a thread. They might join Seth and Meredith on their podcast.

Possibly. And moving on from there back to check in with Reza and Adam. Now, these two seem to be good. All right, they seem to love each other. They are pointing out some things that are going on in the marriage because Reza wants Adam to be a little bit more affectionate with everything. And Adam doesn't want to do that. Yeah.

But they seem good. They seem good. It seems like they have a good household. a good structure going on there. They seem to like each other and understand each other. It was a stark contrast from going from MJ and Tommy to this. Yeah. And I think that's more on MJ and Tommy than it is on the other two.

The other two just might have a normal relationship and you can read into it as much as you want. Watching MJ and Tommy, it's like, oh, fuck, okay. You guys are done. You guys are dead. This is somewhat of a normal relationship. I think once we get to like Natasha and Amir, then it's like, okay, you guys love each other. This is cool. Yeah, that you can definitely tell with them.

and their family dynamic. They've got two kids. They got twins 10 years old. Right? No, they have... Sorry. They have three kids. We got three under five.

Three under five. Three under five. I'm thinking of... Who am I thinking of? Who's got the twins? I know. Sky and... Sky.

Yes, that's right. St. Miley. Sky and Bomsy have the twins. So many people in the show. A lot of people, but I'm willing to learn because I think this one's... Six episodes in, we're going to be finally hitting our stride. Yeah, we'll be good by then. But up until then, give us some grace, guys.

We're trying. here. But back to Natasha and Amir. They seem like they're actually in love. They seem to really like each other. As we know, Amir has a tough backstory, losing his wife and everything. But it looks like these two are good. We're just getting in the post kids phase now. That's where they're at. So, you know, mom is wanting the body back. She wants to feel like herself again. And we just need to make sure that Amir's going to be nice and supportive through that whole thing. I love their story, too, that Natasha was at, did she work at that? dentist or was she just at the dentist?

She worked there. She said, I was glad I went to get my teeth clean. Yeah. I think so. I couldn't tell if she worked there or not. Maybe I missed it, but. The context clue is that she's cleaning one of her kids. Yeah, she was a dental hygienist, yeah.

Oh, oh, then she wasn't, I don't know, whatever it was. They met at a dentist. You're saying that she's a dental hygienist, but. I thought, but she worked there. So did I. Oh. That's what I'm saying. But then who, who's, what's.

going on. What happened? She cleaned his teeth. Yes. Yeah, but then you made it seem like that didn't happen. Who's the kid? What kid? You said cleaning the kid's teeth. In the actual scene, current current. Oh, okay. All right. It flashes over to her in the house that they live in together and she's cleaning her child's teeth. Right. But she was ready and she did the old, the next guy that I meet, I'm going to marry. And it worked. Turned out to be a winner. Got Amir walked in. I like Amir a lot so far. I got really good vibes from a lot of people on this cast. But let's get to Elijah's fifth birthday pool party. And Gigi's throwing a big, it's one full hand of numbers. This is a big birthday.

I tell you know what's a big thing. It's a big deal. So she has this party for him. You can also see on the way there why MJ might be getting a little fed up. We get the Persian werewolf and even a howl from Tommy. Mm-hmm. It doesn't seem like the vibe is jokes. No.

You know what I mean? It seems like he's deflecting with jokes and she's trying to have a real conversation about it. Correct. And then when she has to get an answer from him on whether or not he's going, the answer is always no. He's not comfortable going, but he's also not. I would have more respect if he was having a serious conversation. Like, that's what these shows are supposed to be. The fact that he's making fart jokes about this or talking about how he's going to shit himself later in the episode, that doesn't go that far with me.

At least have one conversation. Like, I don't want to watch MJ go to a confessional and excuse away why you feel the way that you do. And again, you're allowed to feel the way that you do. If you're pissed off at Reza, you're pissed off at Reza. If you don't think that that conversation is going to go anywhere, then you don't have that conversation with Reza. It's okay. Show up and support your wife, though. That's it.

That's really all I'm asking. Or at the very least, have a conversation with her in the car and say, look, I know that we're doing this show and I know that we're going to have to be around them more. You're going to have to be around them. I'm just not comfortable being around them. I would have so much more respect for him if he had said that and she was able to resonate and at least look at him and be like, look, I get it, it's okay. I agree to do this. And they, I don't care if you even break the fourth wall. I agree to do this.

You weren't on board with this. Whatever you guys have to say, but you can tell the state of their marriage just based off of these conversations where we're not getting any of that, just at all. He's just immediately in a shell, not talking about anything. She's not even trying to dig any deeper because she knows the answer to everything. It's just a mess. First of all, Res, Nate? Mm-hmm. Yep, yeah, that was fun.

Nice. Thanks. You did it, but thank you. Huh? Huh? Okay, cool. Back to it. What I'm getting from this marriage,

everything you said to a certain extent I agree with where it's like, yeah, he doesn't have to feel comfortable, this, that, the other. If you're doing this show and MJ is the breadwinner, right? And this is going to bring in a lot of, bread. She's cool with Reza. She was the one in the hospital. I'm not saying you need to forgive and forget just because she's cool with Reza again. I think it goes a long way for your wife to help or try to repair that relationship with Reza just on her behalf. Make it cordial. I don't believe just in like settings like this specifically where it's a show, you got to be back

on the same screen, you got to be back in the same room, that anything is insurmountable. We've seen people reunite after crazy shit happens. And I get it. I understand being pissed off on your wife's behalf, but it starts to not make as much sense when you're pissed off on your wife's behalf as we see in that clip from back in the day when all that shit went down. You're completely justified to feel that way. But now, like, this is a her thing. And if she's comfortable with him, you should try to be for her. Yeah. A lot of these things that you're doing, you should do the opposite it simply for her. And I think that that's going to be one of the sticking points we see is that he's

immovable. He's just going to make a fart joke, laugh it off, and not really dive into what's actually going on. So I agree with you. Like I get why he would be standoffish and maybe you could have a conversation like I'm just not comfortable. Given the circumstances of what's going on, suck it up and mend this friendship ever so slightly.

Just be able to be in the same room. You shouldn't be missing things and leaving your wife out to dry by herself because you you can't get over yourself. Yeah. I also feel bad because, I mean, I'm getting the vibe fully that Tommy just sucks.

Yeah. And every scene that we see with their son, their son is just mimicking what Tommy's doing. Literally. That's going to be brutal. Yeah.

If you guys are divorced, completely separated, and you, obviously, I would imagine she's got custody, you're going to have to deal with Tommy Jr. A little Tommy.

That's going to suck. It's not going to be fun. Breaking those habits. Yeah, break that mold. Again, not telling anyone how to parent, but I'm not stoked if my kid's repeating cuss words. Yeah.

You know, and I don't have the best mouth. I try very, very hard. Slips. I grew up in a clubhouse in baseball. You can't blame me. But I'm not like, those moments are kind of tongue-in-cheek fun. You're like, oh, wait, ooh, you know, when you hear a kid say something. I'll shout out all the kids sitting in the back seat while their parents are listening to our podcast.

Yeah, there you go. What's up, guys? What's up? It's up, little take. Don't repeat it. But that's I don't know But that's what I do appreciate about our listeners

Because like By all means, listen to what you want to listen to It's your kids. I'm not saying that that's a bad move at all. It just always makes me laugh When we get a comment or something Where it's like,

My four-year-old loves your theme song. I'm like, oh no, what did they hear me say? Yeah, we're past that. Way, way past that. And I'm not knocking anybody. Introduce your kids to Bravo early So you have somebody to watch it with

when they're older. That's a platform I can really get behind. But anyway, back to the pool party because this brings up ring gate. So Gigi had a ring and noticed that some of the diamonds had fallen out of the ring. I believe yellow diamonds we find out later. Sky is a jeweler. Now, important distinction, question mark from Sky is I'm more of a designer and stuff. That was her big thing because Gigi gave her this ring nine months ago.

Yeah. Apparently it's a very expensive ring. Did we get a price tag? We did not get a price tag. Not get a price tag. So expensive ring sends it to Sky. Sky's like, no problem. I'll take care of it. No ring after nine months.

Then we get the ring back. It just poof. Shows up out of nowhere. I wonder how long it's actually been ready. Because that brings into question like, all right, you sent it to Sky, but you guys weren't doing the show. And then you found out you were doing the show and you kind of realized like, fuck, I better bring that ring back.

I think so. But that's why it was a hatchet job. Yeah. The ring scratch. It looks like she just stuffed things in the diamond spots and, like, filled it in. See, I don't know what the difference between what Sky does and what a normal jeweler does. That was kind of what my point was. You like any jeweler would be able to fix it and give you a price for it, but fuck if I know.

Unless she just does one of those weird, like, I sell gold with moon rocks in it. Oh, like the astronomer. Healing crystals. Astronologist. What is it? No, astrology is. astrology is science. Oh, God.

Astronomy? Which one's science? I love space, too, and I can't. Astrology is... Astronomer. Astronomer is a space person. No, no, no, astrologer is a space person. Astronomer is the, like, read the stars and shit.

Mm-hmm. Maybe. Sorry, guys. Yeah, my apologies. You're all now dumber. Yep. That's what you get for listening to us. What the fuck are we talking about?

Oh, yeah. Gigi's ring. Yeah, so Gigi's ring. I'm happy that it just Like we might never hear this again I doubt it but we might not And I know that Sky had originally forgotten it But she did at least very quickly

Have somebody go grab it bring it back Give it back to Gigi Gigi sees it right away but she's not gonna make At the very least she didn't make a stink about it In front of the five year old Which is good which is good That's what do we want to see? We want to see good parenting In that realm I guess

That ounce of weed does It keeps her from fighting at her kid's birthday party apparently But let's keep trucking and we move on to girls and boys night. Guys and girls night. Guys and gals. Guys and gals. Whatever.

We're going our separate ways. So setting A, we have Tannen and Greg's house for guys night. And then setting B, I don't know where they are. They're out in Santa Monica, I thought it was. Santa Monica, in Santa Monica, which is far from the valley as we find out when we get there. Everything's far from the valley as we know. Yes. We've heard it from Danny and Needs.

many, many times. The dudes all seem to get along really well. This is when we get to hear about Amir's backstory with his first wife. He talks about that to the group. But what I'm getting and what I'm excited about from the dudes is they seem to really be friends. They seem to know about each other's lives. And they all seem like decent dudes for now. Yeah, for now they definitely seem like decent dudes.

And I also really appreciate, and this goes for pretty much the whole cast. And this just might be what they're used to doing and what we talked about. culturally, they're involved in each other's lives, but they're also incredibly open about what they're going through. And they don't really think about what they're saying or mince words. They just say, like, hey, I'm going through this. This is what I feel about it and this is how it's going to go. And everybody can, like, chime in, have an opinion. Again, I think this is going to change because you're going to have different dynamics between people as the season goes on. But at least right now where we're starting, it seems like everybody's very open and they're not

worried about saying something in front of another person there. And we've got the whole cast on display right now. Yeah, I know. Everybody's out there. Everybody's doing something except for fucking Tommy. Everybody's hanging out. Everybody's doing everything. And we're just talking about life.

And we're just talking about all the things that we're going through and all the trials and tribulations. And everybody gets to say. I think this is the most open I've seen any Bravo cast about any of their problems. And I really appreciate the vulnerability cycle, especially from dudes. You know, we love emotional dudes on this show. So to see these guys, have these conversations, get choked. up. I mean, obviously, he's talking about his wife passing, but I really truly appreciate the emotionality of the scene, appreciate the boys coming in and, you know, supporting him,

giving their own comments on stuff, giving their own reactions to things. Like, the genuineness, especially amidst a group of dudes in episode one, if this is what we have to look forward to all season, because we're not going to have to sit here and speculate and overanalyze things. They're going to tell us what's going on and how they feel about it. That's not a place we're out of a job. That's what I'm saying. We don't have to do it. AI took our jobs.

Yeah, except it's just a really good cast. Yeah. Who would have thought? God. But it's nice. Like, I, it's nice to watch a scene and not try to figure out how they're feeling and just like, oh, this is nice. Inevitably, we will get to a point where we're going to say, okay, you're saying this, but what you really mean is this. Correct.

Right now, I'm taking everything from face value. I believe everything. I wish I could live in this world. I want to go forever. Yeah, same. It's never going to last. No, but it is a different way to watch reality TV. It is.

I think that's another reason why I was so captivated by this episode. It's not like any... It's got the comfort blanket of the valley. You can feel the influence of that. But this is a very different show than anything else that's on Bravo right. Yeah, you still have the marital disputes, but you're going to know what each person's thinking. Yeah, like, and how they feel and where they are in the moment. And they're not going to call it out, like, in front of everyone.

but the best part of that, the reactions when they call it out, it's not World War III. Everything doesn't fall apart because someone has an opinion. We actually are able to discuss it, even when they don't want to. When we get to that scene with Gigi and MJ later, she's mad at her, but then reels it in like two seconds later. Which also sets the bar incredibly high for when we will hit World War III.

Yeah. Because that's going to be some wild shit. And we've seen the clips from Shaw as they kind of just throw things out there from things that have happened years ago. go, you can tell how much higher stakes there are. Yes. Than just the normal meltdown that you'll see on a housewife show, a summer house, whatever it might be. Even going over to the valley, there's so many different things that they would just completely sweep under the rug quickly on this show.

There's so much more to get to and so many deeper things that they can do to really ruffle each other's feathers. And that's what I'm excited to get into eventually. But even going over to the girl's side of things, because the guys, yeah, they're talking about Amir's wife and what happened all over there. and it's a very nice sentiment too. Everybody kind of supports him, which is nice to see as well. But going over to the girls, there's two distinct stories going on here.

Everybody knows about Gigi's financial problems. And then you've got Sky talking about her sleeping arrangements and how her and Bomsy sleep in separate rooms. And they get to say, well, you know, it's just because he snores and we don't have to tell the kids that because I can just be like, hey, he snores and keeps me up. We're going to sleep in separate rooms. And you get a fucking off-the-wall comment right away.

I don't even know who said it. I thought it was, maybe it was Natasha? no, it was Tannen. I think that chimed it. And she's like, well, you know, that's the beginning of the downfall. Like, you know, that was a bitter party later. That's Resilator, yeah. That actually checks out way better than what I thought.

But going through all this, she's just very open about this whole thing. And it's like, yeah, okay, cool. And nobody's got any, like, ulterior motives. Nobody's sitting over there and trying to, like, take a mental note so they can use it later or anything. Because they know if she's saying this to everybody at this table, everybody at the guy's night also knows what's going on. I don't think Bomsey's really talking about it as much, but they all know as well. So there's nothing that you can really use against each other because it seems like everything's so out in the open.

Yeah, and that's a good point you made as like what will be the tipping point then. If this is what our conversations look like, what's it going to take to push it to the next level? And how is that altercation going to be? Some of this shit is like a four-episode arc on a different show. I know. And it's just a weird off-handed comment on this show. And then they kind of like, yeah, ha-ha. And, like, keep moving.

Yeah. It's awesome. I don't know what to do with it. And amidst all these conversations, like you said, you get the sleeping arrangements, one, which it's very funny listening to the reactions of just the women compared to what it's going to be when they're all together at dinner. Because everyone at that table is pretty much like, yeah, totally. Sure.

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and boring. Yep. I don't want to go with him anymore because I have Tannen and she's way more fun. The rationalizing of the dudes trying to be okay with it, I thought was the funniest part because Bomsy, who probably is sleepy and doesn't want to go, he's getting up there. I still think he feels, he's like, yeah, you know, they have way more fun. I don't think he cares as much as Greg. No, Greg, definitely.

The way he rationalized this and just spun this in so many different directions, this actually could be something that somebody like Reza brings up. later if they were to get into a situation. Should. Like, to spin it like, well, Tannen has her own money. You know, she's a really powerful woman. She's a CEO over here. She's making a lot of money.

And even the guys are like, she makes so much money. Like, what do you mean you can't go on trips with her? Well, that's her money. What do you mean? You guys are married? What are we talking about here? No, well, you know, I don't really mind it as much. It's great.

Like, she gets to go and have all this fun with Sky and they get to Gallivan. And I just, you know, I get to stay home and just have me time. Yeah. What? Hang with the kids. She doesn't want to go on trips with you because she doesn't want to pay for you? They have kids, right? Yeah, they have kids.

Yeah, so he gets to watch the kids. She gets to go around the world of the best friend. Yeah, this was him 100% trying to be okay with the situation. This is like a secret because now I don't even know if they have kids because this is like a very secret show with kids right now. It's only one episode, but it feels like we're in the middle of the season right now. I know. And I don't know who has kids and who doesn't. I don't know if they have kids.

I don't think they do because somebody was talking about getting pregnant. I thought he said I hang with the kids. Ah, fuck if I know, man. We'll get there. We'll get there. I don't feel like looking up right now. I'm tired of looking things up. There's so much going on to the show.

That's not important right now. What's important, Greg wants to go on those trips. And I think that this alludes to, as you just said, a much bigger problem. Because I understand if you don't want to be shelling out for everything and if Greg's not bringing anything, I don't know what his work situation is. I'm sure that'll play into this whole thing. but at a certain point wouldn't you feel bad just leaving your husband all the time?

You might think. Doesn't seem like she does. You should feel bad leaving her husband all the time. Maybe you don't, which is pointing to a bigger problem. We might... Whoa, banana.

We might need to take like over-underbets on how many couples are still married. That's like the theory of they're in a weird relationship. Yeah, I'll join this show. Cool, six months from now. I can finally divorce this. and I can just point to the things that he did on TV.

I don't know. I don't know how it all works. But, yeah, going through that and then bouncing back over to Gigi and all of her finances and her talking about how she's never had a job in her life. She can do a lot of good things. She can dance. She can twerk. She can't.

She can't suck dick. Nope. Actually, she can't. She's just a starfish. Yep. That's the way to go. I can do a lot of things. I can do those things.

A lot of things. Come on. Anybody got any weed? Yeah. I forgot it. I smoked my ounce on the way here. I don't know, but you do see tension in the ladies because Sky doesn't care for Gigi's anthics. Very low class.

I get so excited when I hear that. It's such a good phrase and this early on in the show. I know it's a continuance, but starting off first episode, somebody's calling someone else low class in a confessional. It hits like an ounce of weed. Yep. It's just, it sets you up for such different types of altercations and arguments, because now we're arguing about where you, where you stand on the social hierarchy on top of whatever else. She is never going to go on a trip with Sky and Tannen. No.

Too low class. No. No. But you can go to a wedding in Cabo, but you can't do that. Absolutely not. It cracks me up, though, that she's like, and this is what Gigi's known for. Obviously, she's, she's had some controversial moments. she's always been outspoken.

She's like, this night's so boring and just like steals a drink. Then she starts reaching around the table, grabbing drinks and Sky not having it. She's like, what are we 15, 16 years old? This is ridiculous. Low class. Tutor. Yes. More of that, please.

Got to know what Sky and Tan do on these trips, though. Like, are they clubbing in different cities across the world? Like, that's, you know, I would imagine. Sort of what Gigi's doing. But I think it's a different, different type. I suppose. I don't know. But that's the thing is you have her looking down on Gigi saying low class.

But on the flip side, you have Gigi like, oh, this this chick only wants to live in Bel Air. She needs the area code. It hits like a crack pipe. She needs that area code, whatever. So I love that. That's a great dynamic that we're setting up already. And I'm sure it'll devolve plenty as we go along. But that takes us to dinner.

And it's a Persian evening. So it's all amazing food. We're going all the food. This whole entire show, I'm going to be starving. I need to start doing the thing where I eat and then watch the show. Yeah. Because I can't watch these shows hungry. I'm going to have to do it.

Especially this show. The food looks so good, and I'm sure there's going to be so much more of it. I can't do it. No, and I love Middle Eastern food. Yeah, and then we sit here and talk about it. I know. I usually take notes on the food. I didn't this time because I didn't get to take notes.

Yeah. But let's get to Persian night. And Natasha and Amir are hosting. everyone's dressed in black. We have Sophia, who is a friend of Natasha, I believe. Neighbor. Neighbor and friend, yeah.

Neighbor and friend. Those are the best neighbor. Just a neighbor, not friends. That's my neighbor. But this is when we get introduced to, I might call him R.J. Yeah, I don't want to call him Jacks. I don't want to call him Jacks either.

If he fucks up, I'm calling him Jacks. Yeah, I agree. Oh, that's what's nice to have in the back pocket, especially because he is a self-proclaimed retiring. You think they knew what they're? they were doing when they said, yeah, we've got Reza Jacks here. Yeah. I'm sure they, oh, Bravo producers were so stoked when they found that one.

Salivating. Yeah. Oh, my God, this is perfect. On our Valley show, they probably found him a long time ago and we're waiting to plug and play him when the moment fit. By the way, holy speed run on dating. I know. Jesus.

You guys just met and you guys are cuddling up at dinner? They're cuddling. Sitting outside of the fucking swing set. Pushing her on the swing. And you get like not just the cuddle up, but the. I don't even know what you call it. They're both facing the same way. It's like the standing spoon.

Is that what that's called? Sure, yeah. Yeah, the standing, the stoon. He's stooning. He's stooing. It's a very quick leap, but I'm not mad at it. And this man has, Reza's got Riza. Dude, like, they were showing the pictures and everything.

And I was like, wow, this guy, he's pretty cool. I love the term retiring playboy. Retiring party bowl. retiring party boy. So he's not quite done. Not quite done. But he's on his way out. Which means that there's more.

He can always pull him back in. Hell yeah, brother. Now, Tommy doesn't come to dinner. And I think this is starting to, not starting, I'm sure this has been a continuing issue, but this is already laying the groundwork because other people are noticing, other people are talking about it.

And this was my point earlier. I get you might have an issue with him. This is going to reflect poorly on your wife. Yeah. Just go to the party. Dude, he showed up in like a Vlor sweat. suit talking about how he needs to get out of there because he's about to shit himself. What is going on?

I don't know. We bounce over to Reza Jacks, who's getting fit and fly, got a haircut, looking great, even before he knew that he was on a blind date. And we've got everyone else dressed to the fucking nines looking incredible. And we've got this dude out there in a sweatsuit talking about shit himself. What is going on? He doesn't belong in this group. No, but like, dude, just be better.

Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? He's not even helping his wife. He didn't carry shit in the house. No. At least go over. Like, you don't have... Your problem's with Reza. Yes.

Your problem might be with Gigi. I couldn't even figure out if your problem is with Gigi or not. You don't have a problem, from what I understand, with Amir, with Natasha. With the majority of the household. And the way that they stagger these people's entrances, I'm sure you guys went first,

and it looks like you went first. Go walk over, take the bottles of wine in, say hello to other people, and then say, yeah, I've got to get out of here. They all know what the problem is. then just say, you know what, guys, I'm going to clear out, I'll see you guys later. You have a great night.

Give me a call when you need a ride. At least do that. Don't stand in the middle of the street and hand your wife a couple more bottles of wine to tuck into her purse, and then she has to carry it all the way over there, you fucking asshole. It's pathetic.

Yeah. Like, go in the house, you coward. Yeah. It's not looking like you're doing this, because that's the whole defense, right? I'm doing this because you didn't respect my wife and they're on your friendship. That goes out the door.

They won already. They've already won, and they won before this show even started filming. She's still filming and hanging out with Reza. You lost, buddy. Yeah. So help your wife. Suck it up. I'm just like, it's frustrating to see because it's such an easy thing to do to just show up.

Yeah. Unless he wanted a divorce too, which, you know. I don't think so. I don't know, man. I don't think so. I mean, obviously, we don't know. Question all these people on reality TV. Yeah.

Who knows what they really want? But the main topic of conversation was Gigi's finances once. again before Gigi arrives and we get a great callback to a different show because Gigi comes in and this is a call back to Miami the first thing that MJ does is go we were just talking about you and res was like what the fuck that's the other thing is like everything that we've seen this episode and what we know about how they operate they're going to talk about it anyway so why do you need to go over there and tell her like there's got to be weird nuances to this where MJ's like I just feel kind of weird like she knows that we're talking about it's

talking about it. I got to go over and be the one to go tell her. It's like, you really don't. Actually, Gigi's going to look at you and be like, why the fuck did you tell me that? We all know that they're going to talk about it at some point. It's a big topic of discussion. They've all been talking about it. They probably want to talk to Gigi about it some more at dinner. It's going to happen either way. You don't need to go do this. And now everybody's going to be annoyed with you because you did that. Yeah, and I do think it's interesting when they're talking, MJ and Gigi because Gigi's obviously upset. She's like, why were you talking about that? And MJ, and I believe her is like, because we want to help.

We're trying to figure this whole thing out. I don't know what the time. I wish someone gave us the time frame. Like, how long do you have before you have to get out of this house? Because that would help. She already got an Airbnb before the party. She said, I don't know if it's the same house. I thought she got the Airbnb just because she wanted a pool.

I think that's where she's living now. But now, I don't think she wants to keep doing Airbnb's, yeah. Got it. So I don't know if there's a time frame on. when she needs a house, but I don't think she wants to hop from Airbnb to Airbnb. Got it. Okay.

That's kind of the vibe I was getting. That makes more sense. But you can tell that this is not the end of the world in other shows we've seen if something like this happens. You're talking about me without me present, blah, blah, blah. It turns into a whole thing. Because they're all used to this, we're able to squash this within this one conversation. Yeah.

I love that. Yeah. It's perfect. She's like, what does she do? MJ says something and then Gigi says something like tongue and cheek and smirks back. So it's like, okay, we're cool. Yep. Great.

I love that. Go to dinner so we can move on from this thing. And while we're sitting at the dinner table, this is where the topic of beds come up and where we're sleeping. And we get the nod that Sky and Bomsy are no longer sharing a bet. Reza decides to speak up to help, I believe. And he's like, well, you need to fix that immediately because that's a precursor to divorce. and the table fall silent.

Yeah. It doesn't fall silent, I don't think, because it's such an outlandish thing to say. I believe it fell silent because everyone's like, yeah, probably. Yeah, I think that's probably why it fell silent too. And weirdly enough, I didn't expect it to fall silent. Me either. I expected another person to second that or maybe share their opinion. This was bizarre than it actually fell silent.

I'm like, wait, nobody else has anything to say? Oh, oh, it's because you all agree. Yeah, that's why. Okay. Yeah, no one has anything to say because you already said it. Yeah. I don't do that. Yeah.

And Bomsey, weirdly enough, and again, we've gotten used to over the course of the first 45 minutes of this episode to people just kind of taking it on the chin, moving on, saying what they need to say, saying their piece. Maybe there's some resolution, who the hell knows? Instead, you can do that with every word, can't you? Resolution. Jesus. It's fun. But, yeah, that's going to be a problem. But, yeah, so I didn't expect everybody to just kind of like fall silent immediately.

Bomsy took a little offense to this. I don't snore. What are you talking about? I don't snore. Then everybody can kind of read into it. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, you don't, you know, but you don't want to address the problem. Sky's completely fine with this. She's making a lot of offhand and comments over there at the other end of the table.

It's getting messy quick. And Sky, a big thing with Sky is body language and facial expressions. I don't think she doesn't have to say anything to understand. It's like, ooh, it just shows you more cracks. And that's what I think this episode was for. And again, it'll be much more succinct when we get to episode two. Our premieres for new shows are always a little wacky. But I think that's what it did for us.

It set the stage for understanding how this group operates, giving us group dynamics, where they've been, where they are now. And more importantly, it's giving us leads on storylines across the board to the point that it was hard to keep track of everything happening this episode. So we're seeing cracks in friendships, cracks in marriages, resolutions in friendships, resolutions in marriages, or maybe not. We learned so, like you said, this was a four-episode arc shoved into a premiere, and we didn't even get to episode too yet. Nope. That's a really good point.

I'm just really excited. Which, by the way, and I don't even remember if I said this in the beginning of the episode, fuck you, Bravo. Yeah. The hell. You did say that. You did say that. And I second that. Two episodes, but we didn't know.

That's unreal. Not that anybody's watching these things live. No, but it points to the lack of promotion that Bravo does. Also, Peacock and NBC in Bravo, if you're going to have a show like this where it seems like they're cursing constantly, give us the fucking uncensored version. It's on Peacock. Uncensor it. Yeah, just uncensored it. Everybody's got parental controls. Also, you're probably not watching this when you're like 13 years old.

Maybe you are. Good for you. You're ahead of the curve. Yeah. Just uncensored it. Yeah, I don't know why they still do that. I don't know why they do it with some and not with others. I don't know. They do it for like reunions.

Yeah. What are we doing? I don't know. It's not that big of a deal. They say shit and fuck on like regular TV now. I know. FX. You can get a good F-bomb in there.

But let's get to some questions. See what our audience has to say about this new show. Let's see if anybody's on board with this show yet. From Linney 5,000, which couple is your favorite so far? Favorite or most normal? Favorite. either Reza and Adam or probably a mirror and Natasha.

And Mir and Natasha, they're also, like, they seem the most stable. I think what I'm looking forward to the most is Bombsy and Sky. Yeah, I think that's going to be the most interesting because it seems like MJ and Tommy are already so far on the outs. It's like, all right, we know where this is going. Sky and Bomsey, we don't really know. Sky and Bombsy feels to me like Sky, Sky was set in her ways.

She liked how things were. I bop around the world with my best friend. He's asleep in another room. I think that she might be bummed at the show because it's going to force these issues to the forefront. I think she was just fine letting it lie. Yeah. That's a good point.

From Josie T-Bear, could it be better than the O.G. Valley. It very well could be. It has the makings. Yeah. But they're both, ideally, they're both really good shows. That's what we want. From Gray with two Wyes. Didn't watch Bravo during Shaw's, so

haven't checked this out, should people? Yes, people should watch this. We didn't watch Shaz either. We watched episodes here and there, whenever it would pop on Peacock or Bravo or whatever. Absolutely watch this. It looks like it has the makings of a very good show. We haven't dropped a must watch ever,

or at least in a very long time. This is a must watch. It is really good. Yeah. From Hi, my name is Sandy. Did you watch OG Shaws? No, we didn't. But would you do a bonus rewatch series? Yeah.

I mean, honestly, that's such a good, easy one to do because if this show really takes off and it's really good, we're going to want to go back. We need the lore. There's enough lulls in the Bravo TV schedule that we can definitely go back at some point. I'm not going to commit to a time for this. But it's something that we could definitely do.

From chato potato. Thoughts on Tommy. He comes across as goofy and lighthearted to the audience, but his digs and making fun of MJ is insulting, especially since Shams is learning from him. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he comes across as goofy and lighthearted to the audience. I think most of the audience.

He comes on. He comes up with him. He's an immature. Yeah, most of the audience is going to label him as a bad husband immediately. Yeah, I don't get goofy and lighthearted. I think he thinks he's goofy and lighthearted. He's actually abrasive and rude. Correct.

And we'll end on this one because it's a good, little up vote from Hotcakes 1987. It is so good. Authentic Real Convo's and Cast. Real friendships between them makes such a difference. It really does. We talk about that a lot. Real friendships, we usually will use Houseway franchises for that. A real friendship

on a show like this or a Houseway franchise goes so far. It makes or breaks, especially new shows. Yeah. Because we, and case in point, look at the Roney reboot. Yeah. We clocked it immediately. We hung in. I thought our season one had promise. Season two was an absolute train wreck, and I think that all leads back to these women did not know each other. Or did they care?

There was no investment in their lives. Something you can look at in this show is they're not just friends. Like, there's a familial aspect. Oh, yeah. Like they are invested in each other's lives, well-being, careers, all of that. And when you have people commenting on other people's livelihoods, that's when you get some really good TV because someone's going to overstep or someone's, going to really be in a hole and they're either going to be able to actually help or make things worse. But either way, it's going to be electric when we get to watch it. Absolutely. Yes. So yeah,

definitely watch this show. I think that they, they got something here that very easily, even after one episode, yes, this has the potential to be better than the OG Valley. I'll go as far to say this could be one of the heavier hitters on all of Bravo. Like, it is that good. Definitely. But I'm excited to see what we get next. We'll watch episode two. We'll recap that probably tomorrow. So you'll have that out. And then we'll be all caught up with everything.

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