Bros & Shows - The Valley: Too Dark for TV? (The Valley Full Recap)

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

What's up Bros? Well this one was a doozy. In this episode, the ring drama gets a second wind as Janet and Jason manufacture a storyline. We get nonsense from the VPR transplants that results in truth or dare about Brocks wiener and far too many mentions of enchiladas. Jasmine is fed up with Janet's shenanigans and reads her down. Jason seems genuinely hurt by the Jasmine situation. Danny and Nia come close to a compromise about baby number 4. Zack finally airs his stuff out with an unaccepting Britany. But we see once again, things we should not see. We watch Britany get more emotional abuse from Jax. Jax still taking no accountability. And we see IN REAL TIME thanks to some disgusting camera pans, how this is affecting Cruz. We need Jax and Britany off of this show at this point for the sake of their son. It's too much and it is going to be the death of this show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, this show continues to be the darkest show on television, week after week, and I don't think it's matched by anything. It's not matched by anything, but is it a good recipe for success? Is it sustainable? Will people check out because they just simply can't take it anymore? Time will tell. Tune in next week to find out. Good evening, pros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows.

Bros and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the unequivocal Goots. What's up, dude? Love that. Love that.

Yeah, I mean, like we just said in the intro, this is the darkest show on television. And Andy himself confirmed it on Watch What Happens Live last week. And I don't, I've got ideas. I just don't know. It's such an interesting position to be in. Yeah. Because it was so promising. And it's like, yeah, you can cut it out, like cut jacks out, I guess.

Maybe you have a better product. You can definitely cut jacks out. You should start there. But I'm worried about other things that I'm seeing in this episode was one of those like, all right, what, what are you guys doing here? Yeah, we're backtracking, we're starting up shit that wasn't there, we're pulling for storylines, we're manufacturing things, we're doing a lot of no-nows in the reality TV world.

On top of that, you're watching an abusive marriage in real time and the effect on the children in real time. So if you wonder why the ratings are going down, some idiot said it's like, oh, it's Jacks isn't in it. It's like, no, it's because when Jackson is in it, we have to watch his horrible behavior and see how it affects his kid. No one wants to watch that. And I'm not only, go ahead. Not only does nobody want to watch it, Bravo shouldn't be enabling it at this point. This is, this is the problem. And we've been saying it for a while. Hopefully people are catching on at this point. But watching those scenes, if you're just looking at it outside of all the

other friend groups, all the other things that are going on, you can even put aside the fact that we had to deal with the entire first half of the episode was Sheena and Brock and Lala. No, we don't want that, but this is a different issue for a different day. And by which I mean, I'm still going to talk about that in about 10 minutes. But when it comes to Jacks, we shouldn't be allowed to, like, not only should we not be allowed to watch that, we shouldn't be watching it on TV. And I'm sorry to say, and it's not Britt's fault, she might have to go to, though. And I'm going to run this past you, and it's not her fault. blaming her for any of this of course but as long as she's on this show if you've removed jacks

just because he's not there doesn't mean he's not still going to be pulling the strings that is brit while she's going through this show as long as she's still showing face on reality tv he's going to be trying to work his way back in whether that's emotional manipulation whether that's calling her and texting her and trying to talk to all of her friends and drumming shit up he's still going to be very much heavily involved so i'm sorry to say but it might be the only course of action is to get rid of both of them and then they can go live I know that that takes like a big portion of Brits revenue away. I don't give a shit about Jacks's revenue, but it takes her revenue away and that really

sucks, but you do have to think about your family. You do have to think about your son. You do have to think about yourself? And do you really want to keep doing this if he's still going to be manipulating you at every turn because you're on a TV show that he's no longer on that he got the boot from because he's a terrible piece of shit? It's just it is what it is at this point. And I think that's the only course of action, at least in my mind.

It's a tough question, but it's not wrong. and that's where it enters the realm and we talk about this when these shows start to leak into real life is when they start to pose issues and yeah you know if it's adult things where it's like it's fucking up a marriage or a relationship we've seen that happen in the past and that's one thing but that's two adults fighting with each other in this instance we're talking about the ramifications of a four-year-old who is non-verbal at the moment and you have to look at this relationship is that the reason and i hate to be that guy but like at a certain point, is this too detrimental to crews for you guys to continue this show?

No, it's not fair to Brittany that she may have to leave. And like, no, she needs the money, absolutely, especially because this dick had dumped a mortgage on her. But it's like there's one, from an entertainment standpoint, from an audience standpoint, we don't want to watch this anymore. I don't want to see, and I think it's fucking deplorable from Bravo and whoever the fucking editors are. or producers of this show. I'm going to fucking blame Jermaine Jeremiah once again because he's involved with this one. And lo and behold, it's his first seeding on the valley. And it's the first time the valley sucked.

So I'm going to blame Jeremiah. But the absolute deplorableness of having a fucked up moment between Jackson, Brittany, and then panning the camera over to Cruz is fucking insane. It's like, watch how this fucks him up in real time. I don't want to see that. He shouldn't be in the room. mom take them out of the room if they're going to do this shit brittney don't say things to him like we're going to be okay but i got you he shouldn't know what the fuck's up so at this point i'm with

you like get them off the show for the kids sake it's not yeah it's not entertaining i feel dirty watching it i feel icky like i don't care for it and i feel bad for this kid above all else i feel bad for the kid because at the end of the day he's going to have the opportunity when he's older to go back and watch this and be like oh well this is why i'm fucked up like thanks guys you couldn't put me before the show there's a possibility that the show is we know it and we're usually ahead of these things to be honest because we can kind of see the writing on the wall but there's a possibility that the show is we know it's going to get run into the ground very quickly i can see it already i mean we're going to talk about some stuff that happened to this

episode obviously you know janet's not our favorite jason is definitely not our favorite he was he was pretty much a non factor for the entire first season you can tell i mean their marriage is bizarre and the whole cast i can see all of them aside from doughty luke nia and danny but i think that nia and dandy need to move on and just go live their lives and get the fuck away from the toxicity it's it's very possible that we're talking about this show in a year or two if they go one more season and it's just like this everybody's going to be out they're going to have to do some crazy cash-shake-ups and i don't know if it's going to survive so we might be looking at this show two years from now saying what could have been with this show?

Honestly. And I know, I'm happy that that last scene kind of affected you the same way because you could come away from that scene saying, wow, Brit is such a good bomb. And of course you can't. And I wouldn't blame you for doing that because she did. Obviously, she's putting her son first. But producing, we're panning over to the fucking kid. Why are we panning to the kid?

Like, it's, it's bad. It's getting really bad. It's been getting bad. And now we're hitting a breaking point. where next week he's going to be cut jacks is going to be coming back into the fold we're going to let him back on the screens in a full capacity where he's not just texting and blasting people great i can't fucking wait for that this show is going so far south so fast and they're wondering why are we losing why are we losing viewers and you've got andy calling it up for the darkest

show he's going to have people calling for the figurative head of the valley at some point and they're going to have to make a decision i don't know where they're going to go from here well you can't keep putting this out there dude you just can't like the i don't know who thought this would be a good idea to run this one out. And, like, at some point, you have to hold the network accountable. And, like, why are you running this dude back on the screen? Why are you enabling the behavior? Why are you paying this guy?

Like, he's a problem. He's a fucking liability. Get him out of it. You know what happens? Before, when they were doing test screening, Jack said, you know, he's been working on himself. That's what, and they just believe that. He's been saying that for fucking 15 years. Like, I'm so sick of it, dude.

And his fake-ass space times. He's saying at every VPR reunion for like 10 years straight. Still working on himself. Well, all right. You're working the wrong way, pal. I think he's unworkable. At this point, he doesn't work. Let's talk about Sheena and Brock.

Let's just talk about she. Why are we talking about Brock's dick and like, where, what happened to this show, dude? What the hell was that? Talk about blood sex on the beach and hemorrhoids. What are we doing? we've resorted to that that's where we're at now i that's such a travesty it's brutal because i think you know the maybe episode three we would say to each other up valley's on tonight you're gonna watch it live like not even really a joke we don't watch anything live let's be honest i i try to watch

love island live last night that didn't fucking work thanks a lot peacock oh my god watch it today it's so fucking good it's my first like full episode i'm yeah so uh yeah episode three we were excited to watch this at this point, I'm pretty much out on the valley. I don't know if I can keep doing it. And it's so much tougher to talk about it. I think we feel better after we talk about it because we tend to agree with a lot of this shit. I don't understand how you can't agree with something like this that we're saying.

But yeah, I don't know. By the end of the season, we might be out. It's just, it's too tough. It's running its course. But let's jump in. And we start out with, we're at Sheena's great. And they bring up that Jacks has been texting Janet, and it gets back to the rehab conversation where she's like,

I really hope that rehab would fix him or do something for him. Again, to note, he's not in rehab. He's at a mental something center where he gets to hang out and leave whenever he wants. So it's not rehab. And they keep saying rehab, and that pisses me off because that's not what he's doing. But they talk about the post-shark party. And I guess some shenanigans went down where Zach said to me, shit. Who's Jared? Who the fuck is Jared? I was just about to ask you. I don't know.

They said Jared. Like, we know who he is. I have no idea who he is. I don't know Jared, but I guess Is he one of Janet's friends or something? I mean, probably J.J.J.J. Sure. Janet, Jason, Jared. A really good point. Yeah. Just by. But like, this is where we are. This is where we've gotten. And I, I'm firmly on Zach Steen, by the way, for this entire episode. We are, we are 100% news back here. It's like somebody who actually has a good. head on their shoulders who can call bullshit out and be like, yeah, that's not true. Cool. Great.

Love you. I don't know who the fuck Jared is, but like we're not invested in this. I don't care. I know it's just, it's a means to an end to get Zach to start talking about like whether Brittany is actually a true friend, which, you know, spoiler alert, she's not. She's never has been. But, um, yeah, I don't know who Jared is. When he popped up, I had to go back through and I'm like, are there, are we going to get

a picture? Because usually Bravo does that. They'll send like a little bit of a clip. Like here's Jared right over here. point at him with a little arrow no okay don't know who he is don't care wait is he one of janet's dickhead friends that was like the boots

last year they could be the boots which you know what if it is pink boots fuck that guy even further on Zach's team because that guy sucks yeah 100% agree but yeah he's in texting like a little snitch but we jump over to Zach and Doty

and Zach said that Jared can go fuck himself Brittany heard something different so she came out yelling at him like what did you say and the whole thing is that Zach is feeling dismissed by brittany anytime he has an issue or anytime something goes down and he's involved she handles him differently than she handles janet she gives him much less room wiggle room if you want to say than she doesn't really hear him out she just reacts yeah she doesn't say like which is crazy because it's pretty much what brittney says later

is I treat all my friends the same way. I always hear everybody out. It's like, no, this is what Zach is saying right now. This is his experience. You hear Janet out. You don't hear anybody else out. When they start talking about things, you jump down their throat because they're going after somebody who you're friends with.

You don't hear people out ever. Correct. Correct. And it's even sadder because Zach is like when I moved out here, she was like my family. And to lose that and lose the Britney I used to know is really hard for me. He's emotional every time he talks about this. So that's what pisses me off. even more.

But back at Chinas, they're talking about the ring rumor. And what the fuck is this? I'll tell you what it is. If there's a husband in this group cheating, dot, dot, dot, Danny, we should talk about Danny going to the bars and being shady. Like, when has that come up? What is that coming from? I think next week is going to be my breaking point with this whole thing.

Did you see the clip for next week? Yeah, Danny Darko, but Nia said Danny Darko. So that's where it's like, okay, well, what happened? No, well, is Janet and Jason going after him? I don't know. I just, I think that they're pushing this. And it's ironic because this is what Doty was trying to do. Doty was saying, if you're going to talk about other people and try to play God with other people's marriages just for a storyline to that you can stir the pot and then be like, oh, I didn't do anything.

I'm just hearing rumors. I'm going to do the same thing to you. This is her reaction to it. She's just going further the other way. Yeah, she's going, well, if you do that to me, I'm going to do that to you. you it's like no that's not how it works and it just i don't know this whole ring thing it's i don't know who said it never came up i know and look i'm pretty sure honestly if christin could take it back she probably would unless this like

finally blows up and janet gets what's coming to her i don't know but yeah it's just fucking i hate it i know it's just size dude it should have died it should have died at the shark party right after and i forget who said that last it did i know yeah they're sitting around janets or chinas and she's getting amped up and she's like i didn't expect this from jasmine and jason's upset and janet's upset and then she wants to act like a hard ass and she just put a target on your back bitch it's like dude shut up like what do you live in the valley what are you talking about like you're not like a tina says it later too nia says yeah maybe they sat down and like had a conversation about it the more feelings came up and spiraled each other no they didn't spiral they sat down and had a

conversation about it and said hmm we could use this as a storyline this they're too fucking aware they are too aware janet is way too aware of how he's not jason just does what janet tells him to do yeah he's he's got to be a shit lawyer allegedly um yeah but like that's what they're doing that is all they're doing they sat down and they're like wow we kind of blew over on that one pretty quickly huh we could definitely milk that for more that was that was a gift that we could use for about three or four weeks here and just try to like spiral it in there and get people stirred up and get them all crazy and then we can just kind of step away and watch the chaos that's what you're trying to do we don't know what you're trying to do and it's horseshit and i

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slash uncertainty But let's get to Beach Day and Jasmine will not apologize. She hears that Jason and Janet are demanding an apology from her

she holds firm I heard it from a bunch of other people this is not my rumor I didn't start this rumor I don't owe you an apology Brittany going to a confessional and saying

I don't see Janet as drama because that's not my friendship with her. Have you seen Janet pull shit with your close friends. Yes. Do you protect your close friends? Clearly not.

Therefore, you're not a good friend and just by turning a blind eye to her bullshit with other people doesn't vindicate her from being a shitty person. But she's holding on to this like, well, my relationship with her is good. I watch her trample Zach and talk shit about Doty left and right, but she doesn't do that to me. It's like, you're up next then. like you're just you're waiting in line but for her to claim that she's not drama just because

she's the only one not affected just shows you again bad friend bad friend and that's really all it is too and i saw a lot of people talking online when it comes to jasmine about you know her kind of like like standing up for herself or really holding on to this and trying to spin it and saying that janet's a bad person and they're like yeah you know you were kind of doing that with danny no let's just put that to bed right now she was nothing to do with that we're We're done. We're done with all of that because they were done with it. They had a conversation last week. If it comes back up with no other action, yes, we'll address it. That's what we're going to do. But we don't live in the future. We live in the present. So what we're dealing with right now is they squashed it last week. So we're done with that storyline. And Jasmine has moved on. She's not milking it for all it's worth like Janet does or Jason is doing by proxy at this point. Everybody in the world that has at least two or three brain cells understands what Jasmine's trying to say here. I heard. heard it a few years ago, I didn't bring it up. I mentioned it to Doty.

Doty holds on to things for years and uses them at the right moment. Doty was like, I didn't hear it from Jasmine. And I believe her. She heard it from Zach, she heard it from Zach through Jasmine and the whole confirmation. But it's Doty. We know that she has this information. She uses it when she needs to. She's not getting any smoke.

She's just laying down. She's just taking it. She's like, whatever, Jasmine can take it, I guess. Whatever. We'll see what happens. Everybody understands. Jasmine told Doty a while ago she wasn't going to use that information

and you can't accuse her of bringing it up for the cameras or trying to throw a wrench into our marriage because she didn't say anything. She mentioned it a while ago and other people have confirmed it. You can't jump down her throat because she's not giving you the answer that you want and you can't bully her into trying to like throw somebody else

under the bus or whatever the hell it is you're trying to do. The whole thing was such bullshit. Jason getting up and saying, God, dude, I hated this scene so much. The two of them sitting there and like are we do it you want to go do it you want to do it no no make her come to us make her come to us i need

i need a minute we're going to make her come to us we're going to ask her if she can take a minute here we're going to see but maybe the one little sentence in here was very funny maybe she doesn't really want to talk about it right now i was like whoa wait what are you guys going to give her it out no we're not going to give her it out jason go over

and ask her hey jasmine come talk to me for a minute not do you have a minute do you want to go talk about this you know what it's about no no come over here we're we're going to walk away we're going to go in private like fuck off come have a chat they have to go to i'm done i'm actually i'm i'm getting rid of a lot of the cast tonight yeah it's like a recast already i guess fucking leave brock and lala and sheena at this point la la la on the beach yeah you know what go ahead you go make a fuck go make a show vpr back we're not going to watch it throw brock sheena la la la whatever castaways that you have that

you can't plug and play in different shows put them on a show we won't watch it. You guys can go appease them. That's fine. I'm done. I am done with all of them. So just get them off my screen. And like the little comments that they make, like while they're sitting around all together with like the metal detector. And it's like, ooh, maybe they'll find Jason's ring. It's like, just address it then. If you're going to say shitty comments, then address it. Big Bad Janet thought she had a target on her back. If you just live where you did last week and you just let it lie and you fucking squash it, you can make jokes about it. Sure. Go ahead and make that joke.

But now we all know, because we had a sit down, which we probably should have seen this conversation and should just like a little clip here of Jasmine and Brittany sitting down to talk about this whole thing. We get Jasmine saying, yeah, fuck that. No, I'm not standing down to Janet. If she wants to have a problem, I'll have a problem. Like, okay, cool. And we'll get back to the rest of our episode very quickly. But first, we have a few words from our friends over at Prolon. And you've heard Steele and I talk about Prolon plenty of times.

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to the conversation with Jason, Janet, and Jasmine, and the ring thing. And she's like, I heard it years ago. How many years in the middle of when she's saying it? And she's like, dude, don't do that. Stop, Janet. Like I'm trying to talk to Jason and explain this whole thing. And she's like, you always do this. And then she goes, well, you're yelling now.

Why are you yelling? It's like, oh, I was getting heated. I'm like, what do you expect her to do? She's trying to talk and you keep jumping down her throat. So now she's getting pissed off. Then you're calling out the fact that she's getting pissed off like it's a problem which is going to piss her off more but the one thing that she really said that i was like fuck yeah it was when she read janet because it's like what everybody probably wants

to scream to their tv you're a shitty ass friend you're a vibe killer you're exhausting and you have care and energy i'm like yes yes yes and yes well done jasmine shut up janet jason you shut up too for you guys to say like oh you sat on it like no she wasn't sitting on it and waiting she wasn't doing what Doty does. She was just not talking about it because she didn't believe it. But now you guys are acting like she's the cause of the rumor when everybody is telling you that she's not. So what more do you need other than this fake storyline that you decided to resurrect from

the shark party and try to do this shit again? Nobody's buying it. That's why everyone's so pissed off. They're like, what the fuck are we doing here? Why are we talking about this again? Do we think that they understand the byproduct of this is people are going to start talking about whether or not Jason's cheating on you now. Like, this is what we're going to do.

You got it. You guys could have gotten off very easy. You could have been very cool about it, laughed it off and moved on. And everyone would have been like, oh, well, that was a swing and a miss, huh? Well, that didn't really seem to affect them. Maybe they've got what it takes to stir the pot and not really get involved with any of this shit. Maybe they are standing on better grounds than everybody else is.

No, you're going to bring it back in the most fabricated way possible. And by the way, now we're going to continue to talk about it. We're going to have questions at the reunion. We're going to have questions for the rest of the season about whether or not Jason where this ring. We're going to have people in public probably taking pictures of him if he doesn't have his ring on. So it's going to create more of a shitstorm because you wanted to fabricate a storyline to further something and get involved in something that you feel like you guys are going to get away Scott free from. So it's just it's just tiring the whole thing. It's exhausting.

Dealing with Jason storming off saying like you broke my heart. You're the fakesest. I don't know the snake in the grass was right on my nose the whole time. time. It's like, Jason, like, you know better. And you know what you're saying later. Like, come on. Like, that's not what happened. You guys are trying to point to hers the problem. She didn't do this. Nope. But also, Jasmine and Janet, their friendship and how much it affects them. I don't believe a word that Janet's saying because she doesn't understand her. She is, she is very self-aware, but she's playing it up for the camera. When Jasmine talks about it, she doesn't really talk about Janet.

She says, I was really close to Jason. Jason's now collateral damage because his wife sucks. So that's going to happen. So that really sucks because your friendship's probably over. But Janet, as soon as the cameras turned on, we all know what you did. You turned into a monster. You turned into a storyline. You turned into a shitster because you thought that that's what you wanted to do.

You did this and you're doing it. And it's ruining friendships left and right. It's ruining friendships from your husband with the rest of the group, with everybody else in the group towards you. It's going to be detrimental to your actual life. but it doesn't seem like she cares. That's the problem. So when we're talking about it, like, I don't care.

You feel like you lost a friend in Jasmine. When we go to Jasmine, she's talking about Jason, not you. So I don't think you guys were really that close. So now you're just doing this and throwing a wrench out there just because you want to do it.

So it's just, it's annoying. By the way, we've heard through the grapevine for multiple sources on the inside. This is what Janet's like in real life. This is who she is. We've heard this from multiple people.

And we're not going to divulge who, but yeah. Like this is not. It probably feels like her life. is like a trial. She's the main character and like a fucking sick mom or something. It's an audition for her to get on the reality show. Now she's here.

Let's keep trucking to Zach, Doty, Nia, and Brittany. And they sit down to have a little lunch date and, you know, Brittany had a nice date, which is nice. Great. Get out there. Fuck Jacks. Don't literally fuck Jacks. Like tell Jacks to fuck off and then go out there and hang out with some other dudes.

But they bring up the fact that Janet and James. Jason laughed it off. Now this whole thing's a big deal again. Even Britney. And this is where I'm like, dude, why are you cool then? Because she's like, they keep wanting to say that Jasmine's the one that started the rumor, but she didn't do that. Correct. Doesn't that piss you off? Doesn't that make you mad that they're turning this like molehill into a mountain? Shouldn't that point what Zach has been telling you that Janet's a problem? Wouldn't you think that? Like, By the transitive properties of drama, you shooter Magouter? Like, I, oh, bro, it's so frustrating. And Zach brings up, we kind of like get led to Zach bringing up how Britain. It worked, I guess, as a segue way. It was a clumsy segue, but we got there. And he brings up how Brittany protects Janet.

He's like, you know, the way you protected Jacks is comparable to how you protected Janet. And that bothers me because I feel like you hold me to a different standard. Doty feels the same exact way. Yeah, I get that too because she does the same thing to me. Okay, Brittany doesn't acknowledge it. She does not acknowledge it. She says, I treat all my friends the same. And she's like, I never wanted to be like, oh, if I'm doing something with Janet's like,

oh, I treat Janet better than Zach. And Zach goes, uh, visceral reaction. It's like, yeah, because she doesn't care. She doesn't fucking care. And the other part of that is when Doty says that, obviously, she says that in her confessional, that she feels the same way. She feels like she's also kind of pushed to the outs when it comes to Brittany. She always protects Janet, not her. Because she didn't speak up, you could get a little upset at that, that she didn't speak up for Zach's behalf.

Sure, I get that. I'm kind of sensing that Doty's probably just leaving Brittany. Like she's in a tough place right now, obviously with Jacks. But she's kind of got her at arm's length. Like, you know, we can be friends. but we're not that close anymore because I've been seeing this too I understand how this works I understand how Zach feels Zach is very much more like hard on my sleeve

but he's also early stages with this it seems like Kristen's been dealing with this for a while and she understands how this works and she's seen it before so she's like yeah I'm just going to check out a little bit here I'm just going to understand how that's how she's going to operate and I don't expect too much from her but when Zach does that he just cannot help himself his reactions every single time

you can read it right on his face if he feels like he disagrees with something in the moment. You can see it on his face. He will literally cough in the middle of a sentence because he's just that taken aback. And it's so funny because you just can't hide it. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that about him, by the way. That's one of my favorite qualities. Now we go to Danny and Nia who are getting a lymphatic massage. And they're discussing, you know, normal marriage stuff because she's ready to have a baby again because she wants a mommy makeover, having three kids

has put her body through a lot and she wants to feel better in her own skin and I can appreciate where she's coming from you know she wants to feel good about herself she wants to feel strong

all those things and she wants to have four kids so she doesn't want to go through the mommy makeover and then have another kid because that would make a lot of sense so Danny hears her and also when Danny's like

well I've never complained and she's like yeah well I'm not talking about you dickhead this is about me in my head and he's like you're right my bad it's like yeah dude come on know but he hears or he's like all right well step ones go get tested and we'll go from there the compromise is is fairly simple in my mind and danny says it too it's like okay fine you want

another kid we get the house get the house we have the kids because i think that's what they did too i do too because i can't imagine having four under four in that fucking apartment that would be a hellscape that would be awful and look you you can go ahead you can call danny and the uh call them boring if you want to say they don't need to be on reality TV, fine. I think we actually need this because it's nice to see the only married couple operate in a normal way where I'm not questioning their motives. I'm not questioning who's manipulating who. I'm not questioning if you guys are actually being authentic, Janet and Jason.

I'm looking at this like, oh, that's, that's kind of nice, actually, because we've had this conversation a few times. It's been different every time, but it's progressing to a good place from both ends where Danny's understanding where Neenia is coming from. But also, I think Nia is starting to understand like, all right, yeah, we do need a bigger house. And yeah, this makes a whole lot of sense. It's compromise. It's marriage.

It looks healthy. It's nice. This is what it looks like, guys. This is what a potentially very good marriage looks like and a good partnership. That's what it looks like. And then you can go look at everybody else on the show and be like, oh, the fuck's going on there. That's the crazy part. That's not true.

Luke and Doty. Yeah, I know. The most normal relationships are Danny, Neal, Luke and Doty. then they're like almost on par with with Danny and Nea because the way the hand of their shit is very mature as well. It's awesome. Now, kudos to them,

but Janet and Jason, let's get to them. She's been crying all day because of Jasmine. Her kid is now being used as a prop. Yeah. On the show. He can sense when I feel the, then get him out of the room,

Janet. If mom is, right there why is the kid not with mom already before you cry and say he can sense it if he can get him out of the room and why are we crying about jasmine you guys were over this three days ago and now it's to the point that you're in tears throughout the day it was jason jason said that he's cried like 10 times in the last five days what the fuck's going on i believe i actually do i think he is stressed out about this because we saw how he handled the danny thing last week. I think he is actually pretty stressed.

I think he's going through it, honestly. I think, and he's like losing friends and he's like, what the fuck's going on? He even says, I don't under, or she says, I don't understand what's going on, but she puts all the blame on Jasmine once again. And that's where I get really frustrated. Because at some point, Janet, you've heard this outburst from Jasmine, from other people as well. And they've said similar things. At what point do we do a little self-reflection? and say, hmm, maybe there's a common denominator here. Maybe I need to look inward and figure out if I'm part of the problem. But no, even in this moment, she's like, Jasmine's the full problem.

She did this. Fuck, Jasmine. I'm crying. Blah, blah, blah. Or just say, hey, I've been meddling in marriages and relationships since day one on this show. Maybe I should stop doing that and it won't happen to me. And this isn't even bad because you guys laughed it off two days ago.

You're just using this as a storyline now. I don't believe that you were crying. It didn't happen. How crazy is that much? Jason cares. I don't think that you care. Janet talks so much shit and speculates on everybody else, their marriage, what they're doing, or they cheating, whatever. The minute that you question them, this one's not even bad. This is so easy to say, like, that's dumb. And no, I don't think anybody on planet Earth thinks that Jason is actually cheating on Janet. So this is a non-issue that you guys brushed off successfully. Should have let it lie, but now we're crying. about it i get the fuck out of here but i can already see the reunion now because of all the people in their confessional's talking about or in other scenes where janin and jason aren't there talking about the leash around jason and how he would actually never cheat because janet wouldn't let him she's got him too close yeah exactly i can see them i can see them turning it into like

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God, I wanted to skip through. Every fucking time this man's on the screen, he says the same exact shit. I'm tired of the anger. The Julian shit really set me off. And I pushed you away. I didn't even realize it. This whole thing's such a wake-up call. I'm with you.

I don't think he ever went to this place. I think he checked in and then he left. I think Jason dropped him off and then he went and stayed at an Airbnb somewhere. We're already at the point where it's contradicting itself because we saw a report that he left after 11 days. This is now day 19. So what are they going to do? Are they going to show us him coming back?

And he's like, I'm coming back in a week. And it's going to be the full 30 days because somebody got a report. Somebody pointed out in the comments or something that he went here for 30 days. and he went to an actual treatment center for 11 days and left early. I don't know if that's true or not. Who knows? It's Jacks. We'll never know if that's true, to be honest.

And it's not like we've got HIPAA violations all over the place and people are going to share information from those facilities. So, well, maybe the first facility actually would share the information. Yeah, there's rules there. We've seen so much. But like, you're right. Every time that we have this conversation, every time that we have Jacks on FaceTime, he says the exact same thing. He said something to the extent of, I wish that she had left me. earlier because she needed to go work on herself and she needed just just put me to bed and

just let me out and then I could have got like I still don't believe that I you know maybe a little bit here and there I believe that you wanted her to like later I wanted yeah I think that you probably wanted her to dump you earlier so that you could probably move on with the rest of your life and then you'd be really sad and still control her yeah you control her and beggar to like take you back of course that's what you would do but like talking about it and then sitting there and like, I don't know, you know, Jason trying to be a helpful friend. Of course, he's going to FaceTime him and like take the call and try to be supportive. Sure, whatever.

I'm not going to say too much about that. We get nothing. Oh, I will. We don't need to see this. We just don't. As soon as Jack starts FaceTiming, as soon as he gets on the screen. Stop enabling it. Stop enabling it.

It's so. It's such bullshit. And I'll walk you exactly through what I saw because I watched Jason get manipulated. by Jacks because if you really listen to the things that Jack says in his confessional he says I was so used to treating her like shit because she let me get away with it for so long that's not taking accountability that's again blaming her he says to Jason I wish that she would have left me a long long time ago or held me accountable again putting the emphasis on Brittany that is not taking accountability that's placing blame elsewhere and Jason

like, this is the first time I've heard you take accountability. I'm so proud of you. I love you, buddy. It's like, no, no, you're part of the fucking problem. You're enabling him right now because you're not saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're still making it seem like Britney could have done something different to not make you such a piece of shit. So Jason drops the ball here. He gets emotional. Janet's crying next to him. They're like, wow, Jack has really found himself. It's like, this is the same fucking conversation that Jackson has had with you on the phone every single time. if every conversation is the same from day one the first time he facetined you where he hadn't made any progress and he's saying the same exact cookie cutter shit this time he hasn't done the work

and that is point proven later when he fucking calls his sister because they put the blinders back on the camera and he manipulates the situation says i have high blood pressure i have to go to the hospital because they put the things on he's manipulating again so no he hasn't changed at all if he's even in that fucking place. And for Jason to sit there and go, good job, bud. Fuck you, dude. You're part of this issue. And it drove me nuts.

I'm like, how on earth do you hear him say what he just said and not take away from that? Oh, he's still pointing at Britney is the problem because that's all I heard. He's just doing it in different ways. Yeah, he's just using different words, using different trigger words, not being very apparent that he's putting all the blame on Brittany, but he's still not taking any accountability. So, no. Like, what are we doing? doing here he's doing nothing except for he's like well you know the podcast is worth all this money

and oh fuck off and like i'm going to give her my half until the mortgage is paid off i do believe they make a pretty penny from that i'm sure they have a ton of listeners and advertisers so yeah they probably do well and he's like to pay the mortgage this is what i'm going to do because this is this is my way of paying it back she gets to keep everything until the mortgage is paid off okay cool great you're doing the bare minimum guy nice job and then the episode ends with brittany and her mom moving back into the house. And I'm like, all right, cool. At least we're making a step forward there.

She's back in her own place. Like, that's the right move for sure. And they're putting the blocks back up on the camera, as they should. Jack did it to keep you from seeing the creepy girls he was bringing back. And now you can do it to keep him from watching you and controlling your life. As they're doing that, Jack's sister, FaceTime's Brittany. They're just catching up. They talk about the mortgage.

She can't find her fucking wedding ring. and her wedding bands, which is insane. And then Jack's texts Britney's mom. No, Jack text the producer. Are you fucking serious? I thought it was the mom. Nope.

He texted the producer. Psycho. Yeah. This is where it's like, okay, we're really doing this. You're going to allow. Bravo has an issue with fourth wall breaks.

You know, they have to hit. If they don't hit, they're not great. We're going to allow him to do this. He's just going to text the producer. and say something like that and we're okay with this

and we're going to show it this fucking invasive and creepy I know what Bravo's going to do they're going to come out and say we needed to do this to like hold them accountable because of all the backlash that they're seeing online

that's not what you were doing you were trying to make TV that people were going to watch yeah and guess what it's a fucking whiff this whole scene was a whip this seems horrible dude cruise is running around the house

as all of this is transpiring Jack's text and says make sure you get it on film I can hear everything childish behavior childish behavior covering the cameras back up, dude? No, child's behavior is covering up in the first place

so you can bang an only fan's model in your wife's home. You fucking creep. And why are you still looking at the cameras? Go work on yourself, you big piece of shit. It drives me crazy, dude, from like recovery standpoint because like all I've gone through to get to where I'm at and anybody going through recovery can feel this.

And to see somebody exploit it drives me nuts. That he's in a place and he's like, I'm doing better. I'm doing the work this. and that and still doing the same behavior with no reprimand like fuck that and i i hate that he's trying to play this card now in the after show he's like i went through all of these things and oh man i i'm so glad i got it you didn't you didn't do shit you didn't do the work so you don't you don't get to claim the reward that drives me nuts and it drives me nuts that bravo enables this behavior where they're okay with him texting a producer and saying it's not be like wow

we have a fucking problem guys because he's supposed to be in a treatment center and he's texting about his wife in the house because he's watching the cameras. That's an issue. I can't do the after show anymore because it's just more of the same. I get it if this is all the stuff that you have on film and you still want to take the stance of, well, this is what we had on. We got to show how it's really like so that we have people looking at this saying that Jacks hasn't changed, saying that his behavior is deplorable.

Okay, fine. I know you're going to do it. I'm not going to believe you when you do it. But the after show, you're still airing that. Summer House After Show ended after three episodes. You could have ended up. Instead, we've got Sheena and Lala and Brock and Schwartz and all these people that aren't even on the show talking about it and then allowing Jacks to have a platform to talk even more

about how he has changed and he feels so much better now and he hasn't been doing drugs and he hasn't been drinking and he's completely changed. And now when he's looking back, he's still not remorseful. So we're still just allowing him to just parade his shit out there. I'm done with the after show. I used to use it just for context to like understand because it's sort of like a little mini reunion. I don't want it anymore. There's too many people on that show that I hate.

So I'm out. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And that's when Jacks calls Jenny. So he's going to the hospital because of high blood pressure. And you hear how Jenny's an enabler because she's like, well, my uncles both died before 50 from heart attacks. It's like, stop it. Because Brittany is actually worried about it.

And now you're talking about him having a heart attack when he's just throwing a temper tantrum. That's not helpful, Jenny. You're not helping the situation. And then the email about the mortgage comes through that the home is in foreclosure. and he's not going to help pay for it anymore. While all of this is going on, the child is running about the house in earshot. And the fucking cameraman has the balls to pan the camera over to this kid

after a moment where Britney's about to cry going, I got you, bud, everything's going to be okay, pan to the kid that's getting affected to it. What are we doing? What is this show turned into? It's like trauma porn. What, like, how much can we fuck this kid? up like is that what we've gotten to on the valley nobody wants to watch what's on right now i'm

telling you right now it's not because jack's taylor's not on the show it's because when he is we're watching an abusive relationship affect a child that's fucking insane that we've gotten here so i i don't know how much more i got in me with this show dude it's it's pretty fucked up honestly but let's get to some questions who i'll answer this one because this is a good one from Rmeb one, two, four, bring a metal detector to the beach, fun or lame? I think it's awesome. Yeah. I don't know.

I have no problem with it. I mean, Janet doing it sucks. That's lame. But when I see people doing it on the beach, it's great. No problem. I always want to know what they're catching. I always want to know what's going on. Let's see what's in there, you know?

Yeah. From Iowa-licious, ooh, from Iowa-licious, where to fuck is Bravo legal to say that the jacks can't be employed in any capacity? I don't know. We don't know. We've been waiting for them. We've been waiting for them from Shelby Chai. What the fuck was Aaron wearing?

That's my cue. I said it out loud three times that he's on the screen. I forgot he was there because why is it? I don't care about Aaron. I'm not yelling at you, Shelby. Sorry. It's just,

yeah, I don't know. He's wearing a, he did have like a fur hat on at the beach. He's a weird, dude. Sick, bro. This is funny. From,

uh, Megan O. Oh, Magano. What's, worse, Aaron's fur beach hat or living through more of Sheena's enchiladas. Sheena's enchiladas.

If I had to fucking hear enchiladas one more time, like shut up. Or, you know what really actually got me and pissed me off the most, which is such a funny little throwaway. When they go to the beach and Sheena shows up and she goes, it's been so long, I don't live here anymore. You remember

when she made everybody come to her apartment? It's like this place it's like when you walked back to where you used to work. It looks so much smaller. fuck off meanwhile britt's like it took me an hour and a half to get over here and i've got a date tonight why why why do you live in that shit no no dude fucking outlay man oh boy from carly botos why is jason team jacks who is an awful human but giving daniel so much shit i don't know because janet told him to yeah that's exactly why he doesn't have a mind of his own

or more statements that just say, I don't want to see Jacks anymore. So at least our listeners get it. You guys get it. From Ryland McDee 15, our fans being too harsh on Jasmine, lots of folks said she's just looking for a storyline. Yeah, I think they are.

I think that's especially in this episode. I don't know how you'd be on Team Janet here. No, I don't understand that. That's kind of why I said it. Like, we put it to bed last week. If it comes back up, we'll probably have to talk about it and maybe have an issue with it.

But it seems like it's put to bed. She's in the middle of a story. line for something that she heard that Zach has now confirmed and Kristen has heard it before two multiple people have heard it it's LA people talk they talk about everything they're always spewing like random rumors jasmine's not trying to push for a storyline here she doesn't really want to be involved with this shit to be honest no and we stand firm here at bros and shows when an issue's put to bed between the cast members we are not talking about it anymore correct they're cool with it and that's what happened with jasmine and danny so if it comes up again

we'll address it again if we don't they're cool so why should we have an issue with it exactly um heated right now and one more just for fun from brie polo why do they keep showing us jacks i don't want to see them neither do we and from jamie and go can we please stop showing lala and sheena god i hope so because if i have to hear one more thing about rocks dick i'm gonna fucking lose my mind just um god get them off the screen the love of god It's, it's, it's all, like, how, who thought? Who, this is what I thought last season was going to be. Right?

When it came on the TV, I was like, this is going to be a disaster. This is what we're getting now. This is brutal, dude. This is just, man, it's bad. Dark and bad. Dark and bad. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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