Bros & Shows - There's a Rumor Going 'Round... (RHOC Reunion, RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

Whats up Bro's?! It's reunion time in RHOC as the season is coming to an end. It starts with Tamra as Andy questions her about how things are with Jenn. As we've watched all season, Tamra made it her goal to go after Jenn and her relationship with Ryan. Andy calls into question whether or not she brought Jenn on just to provide herself a storyline, and Tamra claims her and Jenn weren't friends at the time when Jenn was asked on the show. Which is another lie... The group as a whole has way too much interest in the Ryan and Jenn situation, and while there are damning text messages, dick pics, red flags left and right, at the end of the day that is Jenn's choice to stay with Ryan and at some point everyone else needs to let Jenn live. Jenn finally stands up for herself to Tamra, and Tamra gets rattled quickly. The evidence against Tamra and her lies piles up as we get clips from the season of her talking smack about different women in the group, and Tamra does what she does best... She tries to spin zone it unsuccessfully. Then we move onto Heather and instead of feeling vindicated, Heather says she's sad that Tamra came back to the show and immediately took it upon herself to take Heather down. Of course Tamra denies it, and that becomes the theme for the episode. Tamra gets called out for multiple things she's claimed this season. But as Tamra does, she lies, claims that she didn't mean it that way, and tries to backpedal in order to make herself look better. It finishes up with Gina vs Shannon as Gina finally lets Shannon have it for the CPS comments. You would think Shannon would just apologize and listen to Gina but instead, Shannon tries to say a million different things and weaponizes her kind acts for Gina but the only thing she should be doing is listening and apologizing. Then were off to RHOSLC, and we have an Apres No Ski party via Lisa Barlow. She continues to get upset about Monica's comments about her being materialistic, and she seems to not understand where Monica is coming from. No ones saying you can't enjoy the finer things and yes, Lisa works hard and deserves to live her life. However, she doesn't understand that her comments are condescending to those less fortunate and it comes to a head at the party when she forces the conversation with Monica. Meredith pulls a Meredith when she brings up a damning rumor about Angie's husband. Apparently there are rumblings around the city about Shawn being unfaithful and allegedly sleeping with men around Salt Lake. Whitney tells Angie because she doesn't want to keep the rumor from her, and Angie (understandably) doesn't take it well. Things are heating up in Salt Lake and this season continues to deliver. Time Stamps: Jax Taylor Delays an Entire Flight (6:01) Rose and Thorn (12:02) RHOC Reunion (21:56) RHOSLC (52:04) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen.

And I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Scooter Medudor. What's up, dude? Well, you know, another week in Philly's fandom. It's an easy week. Easy week. I told you it was going to be easy. You told me not to jinx it. I'm very superstitious.

It's a lingering effect from playing baseball. I am superstitious about everything all the way down to what lid I put on my Wawa coffee cup in the morning. Yeah, I mean, honestly, there is a direct correlation between my, happiness and the success of our sport teams. I agree. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think there is either and I get mad when people play the oh do you know the guys on the team

that whole stupid thing. Yeah every once in a while I'll let like a we or an us slip but I try not to. I try not to but only because I don't feel like having that discussion with somebody. It's like oh are you on the team? It's like no. Obviously not. But I care a whole lot about it and

the thing that's different I think about our sports teams is they seem to genuinely care about the fan base. Right. And I think that's why I get so invested. Occasionally, I'll drop on us or a wee. It just comes out organically. I can't help it. Yeah.

And the funny thing is, honestly, now the two things that have like a chokehold on my happiness are Philadelphia sports and how Bravo was performing. I mean, it's fucking annoying. And it's just like, we have to go through this every week. And look, I mean, we had to grin and bear it through all of OC. We're almost at the end of it. but every week it's like okay Tuesday's episode this is fun we're having a good time we get to talk about two shows that we enjoy watching yeah excited to do it after wednesday night hits because

wednesday i think generally like you and i we just kind of hang out anyway it's like a pretty easy night you might do maybe some meal stuff i don't know yeah exactly wednesday tends to be my lighter day yeah wednesday's like the light day during the week that we get to relax and once i wake up thursday morning i start thinking about OC and how unexcited i am to go talk about that. And it kind of, look, it bears like a huge shadow over Salt Lake, which is having a good season so far. It's great. And I would be excited to talk about Salt Lake if it was just a standalone or if we had Salt Lake and the Wednesday slots, usually Beverly Hills anyway. So moving forward, that'll be nice in November. Oh, that's a nice duo. That's a really good duo.

Look at that. Be excited for that stuff instead of the shadow. I'm close, though. I am so close to being excited. I'm going to be excited next week. I'll tell you that. Yeah, same. It'll be an exciting finale with the second part of the reunion. We got confirmation that they're wrapping up after two episodes i will say in light of everything you're saying i counted to see like intentionally do you know how many weeks we've been doing i see for like genuinely what's your guess 16 close 17 17 weeks that's uh that's a long time it's almost four months a long ass time for one television show to be on the air yeah and usually it's not that big of a deal no we don't usually have to the only show i feel like we had to trudge through the end was beverly hills

and that's because they had 25 episodes. I think there was genuinely 21 or 22 episodes that season, including the three reunion episodes. Yeah. I remember that. I think for like Atlanta, I was surprised it was the end. Yeah,

it's really funny because if you were to go back and listen to our shows, you can tell when we dislike a show. And obviously, I mean, OSE is very obvious. Clearly because we say it constantly. We will not stop saying it. But there are some shows that kind of drag along and we don't really say it,

but we're never really looking forward to the end. end of it. We're looking forward to the end of certain conversations, aspects of the show, storylines, whatever might be happening there. With Beverly Hills last year and OC this year, it's just like, come on. Enough. Like, we know we're not going to get anywhere. And now at this point, because we've watched

these shows so intently, we know the way that the season is going. Yep. There are certain things that we're like, all right, get rid of this storyline, move into something else. We need something else that's going to be more exciting because I still want to watch this. O.C., it's like, I don't care about any of them. Like, literally none of them maybe Heather a little bit now

the rest of them I really just don't give a shit about so this is the last week that you're going to hear us be this super negative about it yes I think next week I'm going to come in I'm going to be so excited to talk about OC being over that it's going to be a fun episode very different temperament do you have a current event for us today

no not really oh bummer yeah I know I've been looking forward to those I know and I don't really have anything I was even scraping my mind to think I can't, you know, I can't remember shit ever. So I was trying to scrape my mind for something funny that or something just peculiar that's happened out there in the world. Yeah.

So here, let's go with this because we were going to forego the news segment today to drop you guys a little, not really surprise anymore, but just an announcement we need to make. So before we get to that, this is a current event slash newsy, just because it is also an airline story. Okay. That correlates with Bravo as well. Ryanair thing? What is it?

Ryanair? No, what's that? Oh, that the CEO of Ryanair wanted to get rid of two bathrooms and have you pay to go to the bathroom so that he could fit four more seats on there. Oh, God. Yeah. No. People would pee in bottles. It was really funny because his reasoning behind doing it was, well, I can lower the price of a ticket by 10%.

So it'll make it a little easier for you to travel. No, dude. You can make it a lot harder to travel because you're packing more people on there and I'm going to have to be. Was the first test flight when that poor man pooped up and down the island? Maybe, yeah, maybe. They were trying out the no bathroom thing. I don't think. Ryanair is, is UK-centric, I think.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Anyway, go on with what you have airline was. Well, what I was good. Hey, see, you found a current event. Yep. Nice. Mine has to do with a certain member or former member of Vanderpump rules.

Jacks Taylor was on an airplane. Ah. And he had a non-functioning overhead light. And, you know, normally people wouldn't give a shit because most people don't use their overhead lights. I actually get really irritated when I'm on a plane and it's dark out. One, if people don't close their shades, nothing grinds my gear more than when people do not close their shades. Don't leave it open because unless it's during the day, if it's like, during the day, yeah.

I very seldom fly at night, though. Well, that's the thing. Like when I go see Poppy, it's usually like a 6 a.m. flight or I'll fly back late so I can spend as much time with her as possible. It's like I choose the end of the day. So for me, like if it's the morning and it's like 6 a.m. the sun's starting to come up, but it's still like they keep the lights low on the plane. When people do not shut their goddamn shade and the sun starts peeking in and it's like 6.30. Maybe they want to see the sunrise.

Give a shit. Wait till you land. It's so rude. No, it's not going to be rising when you land. One person, every, like, and if you look up and down the plane, every single shade is shut, except for two assholes that are looking out the window acting like they've never seen a cloud before. And nothing grinds my gear more. But the other part is when people, it's dark at a nighttime flight and one idiot has their overhead light on. You're reading?

I don't care. What do you mean you don't care? Do not care. You are such a curmudgeon. I'm not a curmudgeon. I want to, no, I'm not. This is brutal. It drives me nuts.

It's not a tough look. I will die on this hill 10 times out of 10 because I don't get it. Look, man. What they're there for? What do you mean? You're there to get to your next destination. No, the light is there so that you can read something. Your light is there so that you can quickly turn it on to look for stuff.

And if you want to peruse something quick, but I, look. All right, are you watching something on your laptop? Are you watching a movie? Get a Bravo. Get a nook. All right. Answer the question. Are you watching a movie or some Bravo on your laptop?

Yeah. That's a light. It's not the same. Maybe somebody's trying to sleep and they're pissed off because this dick head over here is watching Game of Roads. Let me get to my next point. I don't want to. Let me get to my next point. I don't like where you're going.

The nook has a light in it, an iPad where you can read books on your iPad. I don't like the feel of books. Coming from a guy that writes in a journal and refuses to take notes on a laptop or an iPad, I get it. I'm simply saying, don't be that guy. You've derailed me entirely. You get back to Jacks. I don't understand where your stance is coming from.

Just get back to Jacks. Because Jacks did not have an operating overhead light. So instead of, you know... He doesn't read. That's the more shot. He might not be able to read. Yeah, he probably wanted to do it for his coloring book. That's actually a lot of coloring thing from Applebee's on the way.

Yeah, and like, oh, exactly. It was like the connected dots and had the tick-tack toe in the corner. It's a really fun puzzle. I can't beat it, though. I dropped my crayon and I can't. find it anywhere. No, he's definitely a Sudoko guy that gets it wrong the entire time. He's a Sudoko guy that just writes in random numbers and doesn't understand it's

one through nine and he writes in like 10. This is so easy. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Done. But anyway, he threw such a temper tantrum that his light wasn't working that he caused the flight to be delayed by hours, like three hours because he caused such a fit about this light not working. And there was people like tweeting, live tweeting during it.

Like some D-List celebrity is holding up the plane because his light won't work. D-List is nice for Jacks. I think so, too. But they were saying some D-List celebrities holding up the flight. I'm trying to get to a music festival. I'm going to be late. And I guess the flight was also running ahead of schedule. So everyone was stoked.

And then who? But Jack's motherfucking Taylor, house of villains, villainizes the entire plane. Like, it's almost poetic in a way. It's not even, like, fun villainy. That's... No, it's just me. It's evil. That's evil.

That's evil. I think it's evil. That's worse than leaving your shade open at 6.30 in the morning on an airplane. Yeah, I don't really understand that at all. That doesn't make any sense to me. It sounds like there's more circumstances going on here. Maybe he was a... Is he drinking anymore?

I know, is he sober? No idea. No idea. I was going to say drugs are involved. Late night doing a ton of coke. Maybe he was going to that music festival and he was already rolling. Yeah. It's my light.

I need my light, man. Need my light. It really feels nice on my eyes. Trying to finish this coloring. book, Unicorn. That actually makes sense. It could pop for like an edible, maybe something hallucinogen on the plane. Definitely wouldn't advise that.

That sounds terrible. No, don't tell you. Oh, that's actually, that's a good current about the sphere in Vegas. I did not know that you could go inside it. I thought it was an outside like advertisement. When I saw people inside, I'm like, what the fuck is this? You didn't know? No idea.

That's the whole point. Now I get it. It's a fully submersive. I thought it was, look, I thought it was cool anyway because it looked kind of funny and I think that somebody's still going to hijack it. at one point and put, like, horn. Without a doubt. For sure on there, but the creepiest one is the eyeball when you're, like, flying

into Vegas and you just see, like, the eyeball looking in, nope, out. They're building one in, like, I think London, maybe? They're building another one. They already have, doesn't London already have something called the London Eye? Yeah, like the Ferris wheel or something? It's a very different, yeah, it's a very different thing than a giant, fully interactive. Yeah, and I just, you know, this is just me thinking out loud. No, didn't know you could go inside.

So, and of course, like, you two of all fucking. trash bands, like, throw YouTube in there. It doesn't make any sense. And that thing looked like an absolute trip. People are going to have the worst panic attacks because they're going to be like, oh, it's going to be so fun. Did you imagine they take some shrooms before I go in there, man?

And then within five minutes, they are melting on the floor and have to be as a good out. Like a fish show? Like a fish show in that place, people will have full-blown meltdown. And then people. That's another vendetta. Should we poke that there? No, no. We've already derailed too far away from Bravo stuff.

We'll get back to that one at a later date. I want to hear your take on that. We can do it live. I've ranted today about airlines. You can rant about that at another time. But let's go to our Rosenthorn. There's a lot of good ones to choose from this week. So why don't you start us off there, champ?

I get a little rose for you. All right. This one made me laugh, and it always does, because I've seen this before. We've gotten DMs. We've gotten comments from this person before about this specific issue. And I think it's fucking hilarious. This comes from Sutton Strack

Comment on one of our videos I love y'all so much Please remember to replace A-Hole with Dickhead Oh right I'm really trying to revive the term because of y'all Yeah She loves it when we say dickhead I know and she thinks it's the funniest thing

In the world If we are watching Beverly Hills this year And she calls somebody a dickhead I'm gonna lose my mind Oh my God that would be That was my first thought That would be amazing That would have to take over

Like the beginning Or maybe the end credits of the show or something. I just plug in the same dickhead. That's a good call. Or we can just do it over. Yeah, whatever.

That works too. Yeah. Radio shows have that. Yeah. It's like, yeah, just plug in a little soundboard. We have that.

I just don't know how to function it yet. The only thing I have on there is the bam, bam, bam. There's other sounds on there, but that one works the best. There's applause. There's like a heartbeat one.

But yeah. Yeah. A couple of heartthrobs sitting around here. Just having a good time. I would hate it, but it's too far away. We need a producer. Anybody out there want to produce for Rob,

For those. Don't open that door. Don't do that. Too many emails. And here's my, here's my thorn. And it's funny because it's a four-star review. And the title is meh. This is my rose. Oh, this is your rose?

Well, this is here we go. This is a good say way into your rose then. Is it just me or does this pod feel more intense and less fun than before? Lighten up, guys. It's just housewives. I, look, I, I am on record saying this. The second that I stop having fun with this, and stop looking at it, like, it's hilarious

that we're even doing this, that's when I'm taking it way too seriously and I need to take a step back. I am still having a great time and I think it's fucking hilarious. Anytime that we get seen out and recognized, funniest thing possible. I agree.

Honestly, the funniest thing. Like, I was on a date. I told you I was on a date a couple of weeks ago. And somebody came up and just, I'm so sorry, but like, love the pod. That's it. Like, just simple, boomed done. I still think that was a plant.

So did she. So did the girl I was out with. The girl I was out with just stared at me like, I think you plan at that I think I'm like if I can't do that that would be fucking hilarious I told you my favorite one to this day is still when I was at the Jersey Shore and it was uh this woman came out to me and she's like

yeah you got a podcast and I was like I do and she turns around to the group she goes yeah I told you it's one to brav bros I was like fuck yeah it's just it's so fucking funny but look I mean I still have fun I still crack jokes all the time maybe someone over here this guy over here might get a little too serious sometimes you just got so mad at that

No, no, no, I didn't. I didn't. I rolled my eyes because I went too seriously. No, no, no. What my stance is with that. Well, this is your, this is your rose. So go on. So this is my rose because I appreciate the candor. I always like when people, like, are honest. And she threw it up, like, a four-star review. It wasn't a one-star. So, like, I appreciate that as well. And I like when people are just, like, flat out. Like, that I can look at and be like, all right, and break it down a little bit. So I think that if you have been listening for the past 17 weeks or so, Oh, it's got to be O.C. Yeah, we've been watching a show that we haven't thoroughly enjoyed. So, yes, I agree we might be a little bit more pessimistic than usual, just because, like Shooter said, it really does kind of cast a cloud in the week. And I know for some of you guys out there, you're enjoying O.C.,

and I know that you take this as more tongue-in-cheek. But that's probably where that's coming from, and I can appreciate that. And look, like Shooter said, we got some great shows on the horizon. We got some great shows going on right now. So it's overall positive happy vibes here, right? Moving forward. Moving forward. To your point where somebody takes a little too seriously,

I take most things in my life a little too seriously. I get emotionally involved in like little things that shouldn't be a big deal. My probably biggest like pro and con about who I am as a person is that if something big happens, something huge where it's like, oh God, like how are we going to deal with this? I am cool, calm, and collect. I'm your guy. I am your guy Like that question

Minor inconveniences Yeah I'm like that question Like oh if you kill somebody Like who are you gonna call Like that's gonna like be able to help you out In like a dire situation I'm your guy Yeah

Okay Something small Such as you have a pickup truck And you can move a body Right totally Yeah But like the little minor inconveniences That's what sets me up

So like when I go on these rants that people And that doesn't help either That our audience likes the rants And I think that's the funniest part Is nine out of ten people That listen to the show they like your rants and even people that don't watch our show

that just see videos they're like this guy gets it this guy fucking understands and then they listen to her show and they hear us like joking about somebody shitting on an airplane they're like what happened? I thought this was a serious show

it's not. No. It's not a serious show at all. It's really just not. But I do think that nine out of ten people like that and obviously there's some people that are like, you take it a little too seriously

this is just housewives. This is just a byproduct of halfway through this OC season. I have wanted to stop watching this over and over and over and there are people out there and I don't understand it that like the show

and they listen to our show so they want to hear our takes on it if I was if I really enjoyed a show and I was tuning in and listening to people just bash the show I would be like maybe I'll just take my OC business

somewhere else so I don't really understand but whatever it just it wears on us it's almost over yeah so thank you to have some fun you know what let's do it this way thank you for bearing with us

Yep. How about that? All right. Now, on to my Thorne, and this guy has, he's been around a couple times recently, and I don't know where he came from. I don't know what his angle is here, because he's also left, like, positive comments. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I was going to say maybe it's like a Tamra bot or something. It is, kind of, but it's, I'm not going to read his name. But here's my Thorne. What is with the brav bros rudely hating on you, hashtag Team Tamara? This man posted this on Tamra's post. Tamara has since deleted this post, which begs the question, what are you trying to hide Tamara? But my thorn is, don't tag us with her. I don't want to be associated.

I do not like her. I think that she is miserable. I do not appreciate her as a housewife. I think she tries to burn the whole thing to the ground to try to make her come out to be the winner and try to promote her podcast, try to promote her brands and whatever the fuck else she's doing. I don't like her. Don't tag us with her. And the best part is that he commented again under that.

and says she doesn't lie that's all she does man that's literally all she does so i don't appreciate it i really don't and that's my she's the queen of deleting tweets too how many times have i seen a tweet pop across and i don't understand how people get the screenshot where it says this tweet has been deleted no it's right here because i went back to the comment look this post has been deleted by yeah but like sometimes it'll show the post and then underneath of it it says this oh yeah i did see Or edited or whatever. And, like, I've never seen that in person. I've only seen screenshots of it.

She deletes so many things. And either it's because she misspelled something or she obviously got, didn't get the response that she wanted. I don't really understand where it comes from. But again, yeah, like what you said, don't tag us in her posts. Yeah, don't do that. And don't say, where are the new episodes, two T's in a pod and brofros? Yeah, I don't like them either. If you listen to both of us and you want a new episode, you should know.

Monday. You don't put the two of the Monday. Both of our sakes, honestly, because you know what? As much as I dislike Tamara, and Teddy is whatever. You know, she's not even in my life because she doesn't participate in Bravo. She's not in my life. She's not in my life at all, so I really don't care about Teddy. But Tamara, if she's reading that, she's like, why the fuck are we tagged with the brabros?

Yeah. Good question. She doesn't like us either. It's probably the most genuine response that you could get. Ah, burn. Burn. But that takes us to our announcement that we were going to make before this segment. The announcement is, tickets are now on sale for.

for the live show in LA, we are going to the bourbon room. It's a Friendsgiving with Zach Peter. What that means, guys, is there is going to be a plethora of content creators, guests, special guests. There's going to be a lot of really cool people at this live show. It's not going to be the same as what we've done in the past. We're still going to be up there plenty. Don't you worry.

I think we're doing like a special segment even. I don't know. I can't tell you exactly what's going on. All I'm going to say is it's going to be a blast. there's a lot of personalities coming out so go get your tickets at snow filter live.com and it's at the bourbon room in LA

November 19th No I think the show's going to be sick and honestly It's like what you said It's going to be a bit of a different element If you've been to one of our shows on the East Coast You kind of know what to expect We're going to be on stage for a while And we're going to be off stage for a little bit

I'm going to go sit in the crowd Oh I'm going to mix it up I am not going to be in the red room I'm not a piece of shit No I like my fans We're going to be bopping around in the crowd. I'm going to be sitting at random tables. I will be, it's a bourbon

room, so I guess I'll be slugging some bourbon. Oh, you're going to be a mess. I'm going to be a wreck. I hope that our segment is like early enough. And then we're done and we don't have to do anything else. Maybe take a bow at the end. That bell's going to be a hard bell. I am going to. You're going to like keep your hand on the back of my shirt, hold me up. Yeah, I got you. But I'm going to be feeding you whiskey all that. I'm going to get rowdy.

Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. So get your tickets. Nofilterlive.com. Come hang out with us. and a, as I said before, plethora, a plethora of content creators and guests. It's going to be a blast. So get your tickets now before they sell out because I do think this one's going to go really fast. Yes, it is.

But that takes us to part one of the Rossi reunion. And I got to say, and it's funny you brought up the sphere earlier because this setting, like the actual set itself, reminded me of the sphere because they're sitting. in front of this, like, is that a TV screen? I don't know, honestly. I don't understand, because it's not a green screen, because they can all see it.

Yeah, it's got to be a TV screen of some kind, some sort of LED. It was cool. That was a cool setting. That, and Andy's beard, coolest part. Andy, great beard. Andy looks, Andy, it looks like vacation, Andy. He's just out there in L.A., just living his best life.

Little beach, little ocean behind. Look, I liked the scenery. I didn't care when they all started walking in, and they're like, this is this is where we live like shut up no shit losers yeah but no and you look great big fan of the beard andy nice job dude but i broke this reunion down into like three segments because we ran into this problem with the first atlanta reunion where it was a great episode but it was hard to pinpoint what was going on because it was just so much happening at once so i've pinpointed it

into like three separate things all right so up first tamer versus jen then we're going to do the segment because she kind of goes after a few people and a few people go after her they just cannot seem to leave her the fuck alone and the last one is gina versus shannon that's what i've broken it down into if we remember some things along the way to fill in that's how we're going to attack this because i didn't like feeling unorganized disorganized for the atlanta one so i'm proud to be i'm proud of you figured it out i we'll see we'll see how it goes i don't well i think it's going to be fine but i also don't think that you could have done that for atlanta because Atlanta was everywhere.

It was all over the map. It was great. This was all over the map in the sense that people just started jumping in and screaming things and it was like, okay, what the hell's going on? But they kind of steered back in the right direction, Atlanta did not. Atlanta just never went back to what they were talking about. Yeah, I agree. But let's jump right in.

So Andy kind of sets the stage, and he immediately goes in with Tamara, and I think we all kind of knew that was coming because she has been a whirlwind this season. And I don't think in a positive way at all. And a lot of listeners and fans seem to echo that sentiment. But when she asked Heather or Andy asked Heather, like, how do you feel about how everything went? And Heather's like, you know, I should feel vindicated given how the season ended. I should feel like I came out on top. But actually, I'm just sad.

I'm just pretty sad that Tamara came back to the show and took it upon herself to try to turn everybody against me. And Tamara immediately jumps in. And she's like, I never did that. My goal wasn't to do that. And what we get out of Tamara this entire episode is just her backpedaling. It's her backpedaling, trying to spin everything, trying to come out on top. Like, she wasn't trying to shit on everybody, ruin friendships. And I think that the best way to put it is she saw an opportunity to come back on the show

and took it upon herself to do the absolute most at every turn. And we saw that with Jen. we saw that with how she talked to Heather. We saw that with pretty much everybody in the group, but it immediately turns over to Jen versus Tamara. And that was kind of the focal point for the whole season, and that's where Tamara set her sights. But as they're going through,

they do a little montage of Tamara talking shit pretty much, and it's all Jen-centric, and it's just like a fucking warpath. I literally wrote Tamara was on a fucking warpath, and they were supposed to be friends. And that's when we get the whole thing where we were under the impression and everybody's under the impression

because that's what Tamara said in the first fucking episode that these two have been friends for a long time. Jen's been a regular at cut fitness. Jen has been a confidant of Tamara's and all of a sudden she goes on our TikTok and says, I didn't bring her on the show.

We were never actually friends. Like, what are you talking about? And it's just so infuriating to see her now. Like she's seen every episode, dude. She's watched every episode this season. How can you still lie about stuff? stuff. I think that she's stuck because, one, I don't think that she's a, if we want to put this into like, almost like sports terms, I don't think she's a good performer at a reunion. No, not at all. She didn't really know what her end goal was. She was just excited to kind of get in and mix it up and stir the pop because that's what timer does. She's been on here for 13 seasons. Right. You know that once you get to the reunion, everybody's had a chance to watch everything and you have to face the music. You don't get to do these side dealings that she was doing pretty much the entire season. So yes, back back.

peddling is kind of what she started to do, and I'm at least happy that she didn't just deny everything, because we talk about it all the time. You are being filmed this whole fucking season. All your little back-alley dealings that you did when you were talking shit about Jen, talking shit about Heather, going to the bathroom, doing this and that, and whatever, everything comes to light. Everybody gets to watch all of that. So watching Tamara try to defend herself is just like a no-sum game. There's nothing there for you to defend. You can either, A, apologize, which I kind of would have been really annoyed if she apologized because then it's just like, okay.

She did a few times. Yeah, she apologized for a couple of things, but nothing big. No, but then she immediately says something that negates the apology. Two seconds later. Which happens all the time. And it's like, you are stuck, and you have to now fight your way out, and she cannot fight her way out. I think Tamara got absolutely slugged

from the other side of the room. She got crushed. She got smoked by the other side of the room. Heather was so, like, put together this whole time. I feel like she came out. She came out the winter at the end of the season. She came out winner of this first episode, hopefully the whole thing. But the other side of the room between Gina going and Janet and obviously Heather coming back and Jen coming back, I don't think Tamara could have come out a winner in any of

this. And yeah, the rest of it, like she still has her posse that's going to agree with her, not come after her. This is what I kind of wanted as far as holding Tamara accountable for her actions all season. Yeah, no, I firmly agree with you. And when they start to talk about some of the situations, like, you know, we hear that Ryan declined coming on to the reunion, which initially I was like, what the fuck? And then I was like, no, I get it.

Yeah. As soon as they started to like explain why, it's like, you know, it's a lose, lose for him. Because if he comes on here and defense himself, everyone's going to spin it that he shouldn't talk to Tamara that way. They're going to make him out to be this asshole that they're doing it without him being there. So imagine him being there on set and then trying to defend himself. And I do not like Ryan. I think that unfortunately the group is correct about him.

But this is a situation where not only does he lose, but Jen will lose in turn because it's going to make her look bad, it's going to make him look bad, even if he's simply saying that they're lying, they're wrong. Everyone on the other side of the room is going to be like, oh, you can't talk to me like that. Yeah, he has no way of defending himself. And obviously, again, we were able to watch this entire season. He's able to see everything. Jen's able to see everything. There's no way that he comes into this and defends himself in a good way that makes him look better. the only thing he could do is sit out.

And I was able to put my feelings of Ryan aside. Obviously, we know how we feel about Ryan. We know what we think about Ryan and what we've seen. He would have gotten nowhere being on that set. So I had no issues. I actually looked at that and said that's the first smart move that Ryan's made the entire time. And you know what? It's easy to make smart moves.

Put on a nice clean shirt that doesn't have 15 fucking decals on it. You probably would look okay. Don't wear a denim jacket. Or do you know, wear a shirt. Wear a shirt would be a good start. That's a good start. Stop shopping at Ed Hardy. Yep.

And affliction. Yep. That's another good start. It's a great start. But I got to ask you, genuinely, do you think after watching the entire season and after watching Jen handle herself? Because in my opinion, watching Jen, I don't, like, she doesn't strike me as a liar, honestly. Like, she seems pretty upfront about stuff. She's been, she hasn't been, like, caught in a moment where she's, like, tongue-tied, in my opinion.

Do you think that it was physical before the marriage? marriage with Will ended. Yeah. You do? Yeah. I still do. But I just don't think that Jen can do a whole lot. I mean...

There's nothing she can do to sway that opinion. She tried her hardest in the beginning and we kind of knew what she was doing right away when she starts talking about the emotional affair. Yeah. Kind of clearing the air because, look, I mean, if anybody's seen any little bit of housewives, you know how it's going to work. Skeletons in the closet always come out. Always.

Now, I do like how they finally were able to just... oppose it to Shannon's stuff with John. Thank God. Where Gina popped off and said, look, she's not talking about any of this. At some point, and we've talked about it before, you have to let Jen just live in her relationship. We have said our piece. Every single person on this set, whether it was a nice thing to say or coming from a good

place or a bad place, everybody has said their piece. Everybody has shared their fucking opinion on Jen's relationship. At some point, she's an adult woman. She's a grown woman. Let her fucking live out. out in her relationship. She now has all this information. She's going to keep digging, obviously, and we'll see what the fuck happens.

But shut up. Like, this isn't a storyline for you to just jump on board as opposed to what Shannon was doing, where she's spewing every little detail of her relationship and all the bad things. And now she doesn't want to talk about it. Nobody's going after Shannon the same way. As soon as Heather starts, everybody flips out. So it's just not the same thing. They're not playing on like an even battlefield at this point.

Jen just needs to go do her relationship and everybody else just needs to get out of the way. What's weird to me about the whole thing is if Ryan is this man that they're all painting him out to be, right? He's this scumbag, whatever. Why is Jen catching all the shit for it? Why are they so mean to her about it? They shouldn't be mean to her. No, they should be like just this conversation should have went once from each of the women that are close to Jen. Not Emily who just met Jen, not some of the newbies that don't really know Jen.

You know what it is? It's Tamara, though. It is. She's the denominator for everything. Absolutely. She starts every little, everything that's being mean towards Jen. Look, I understand if Emily wants to step in and be like, my mom heard that he was hooking up with this girl and like, it's just uncomfortable.

I just want you to know about that, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Say that once and stop. Tamara pushes it and stirs it and stirs it and stirs it because Tamara realized early on, this is going to be like one of my main storylines. We're just going to go attack this woman. Because she doesn't have anything interesting going on in her own life because she hasn't gone after them. It's not fucking interesting.

Like your business closed. Jen wasn't vindictive about it too. She could have been. She could have gone after and just spewed out some cheating rumors for all of their husbands because guess what? You live in O.C. There's cheating rumors everywhere. Everybody's got cheating rumors. There was cheating rumors for Terry and Heather.

And then we had the whole picture at Disneyland or wherever the fuck they were. They talked about that. But once it starts into, look, Tamara is a cheater. How did she meet Eddie? She was dating Simon. She was with Simon. And now you went. on to Eddie and like it's just it's so annoying to just watch like the duplicitous nature of this whole

group and feel like they all feel like winners at the end of this that's the most annoying part but what drives me nuts but it's confirmation honestly because they're talking about whether or not it was physical whatever and then the break comes up inevitably were they on a break where they're not on a break we've already given our thoughts on that it's a two week window if you had some strange lined up within that two week period of you guys not dating that means it was ongoing there's no denying that I do believe that the texting

was going on frequently there's dick picks there's the hooker you got it lined up right Jesus but Jen says specifically when did the takedown start

like when did the takedown happen Tamara responds she says when the cheating happened it's like oh so you are trying to take her down you fucking weirdo like why would you admit to that in that moment and when the cheating happened was a year ago

when this show was not filming. Correct. So you waited until the cameras started to roll to take her down. After bringing her on the show. I eat a storyline for yourself. So, like, you're just admitting to all of this. Yeah. And then when you get caught in your lie,

that's when she starts to backpedal. And she gets rattled so fast, and I fucking love it. I love people that can't keep their shit together. Yeah, it makes me smile. Like, genuinely, I'm smiling ear to ear when this happens because Jen goes in on her. She's like, I was your fucking friend.

And then she goes, yeah, until the affair, it's like, why? What dog do you have in this fight? Like, here's my thing, all right? If you are upset and disappointed with your friend, then have a conversation about that. If you are uncomfortable continuing the friendship because of the affair, then tell her that. That's okay. If you don't agree with what she did and you can't stand by it and you don't want to continue that friendship, fine.

But you can't put on a mask and then carry the friendship along to then drag her on the show for a fucking storyline to try to make yourself look. better and so you have content for your shitty podcast like that's all she was doing so now jen finally finally goes on tamron stands up for herself and she gets rattled she goes you're a fucking cheater jen goes you're a fucking cheater and then she loses her shit and she just says fuck you you're a shitty person blah blah blah like she goes off the rails there's nothing of context in her insults now she's a same stuff kid on the playground like you're stupid no you're stupid that's what she did with heather too i know we saw that

Heather was able to collect herself and have a private conversation with everybody that Tamara was trying to spin against Heather. Heather did the same thing. Tamara took out of her own power, walked over to Heather to try to figure out what the fuck was going on and stand up for herself. And as soon as it started, Tamara just starts saying like the same four or five words. That's it. She's got no substance to it. She can only play behind closed doors. She can only do things to try to take people down individually. She never can perform in front of a big group like that. She has to have a plan.

But that's why I loved it. That's why I loved it. This entire time, we were so annoyed at the way the timer was doing things because we knew what she was doing the entire fucking season. She finally has to do something for herself. Her cronies over there aren't even paying attention. No, they actually-

Shannon is like so inside of her own head. She's out of it. She has no idea what's going on. Emily defends Jen. Yeah. Emily literally defends Jen in that moment. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. and like sticks up for it briefly.

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Mates is back. Mike and Tom, eat snacks. Wherever you get your podcast. Unless you get them from a snack machine, in which case, call us. The best part, you literally see her entire playbook play out in three minutes. And this is, it's cyclical, it's how she operates. The minute that she gets checked, the minute that she doesn't have a good comeback, then she starts to try to reel it in to try to like settle things down briefly.

And she's like, I don't care that you cheated. It's like, well, you just called her a fucking cheater and a shitty person because of the cheating. So which one is it, Tamara? Do you not care? Or is it the worst thing in the world? And you can't be friends with this person because you're playing both sides of the field. You're not friends with her. You've told us before.

You're not friends with her. And then fast forward a few minutes, just a little bit longer. And then she goes, you're an amazing person, Jen. And now she brings it back. And we see this over the course of the season, right? when she had shit with Shannon it blows up and then you have this very emotional moment where they're both crying I love you so much and I can't be I can't go on without our friendship and I'm so sorry for everything I said that might work with Shannon that doesn't work with normal people

it's not going to work with Jen especially because Jen's had it and thank God like that's the one thing another like positive for Jen is she doesn't believe it like she doesn't buy into the bullshit that Tamara is spewing like the other girls in this group have in the past and I guess what was so vindicating for me about the last episode with Heather was like, it's so easy to logically pick apart all the bullshit that Tamara does. It's just people get caught up in the moment. I do think it's like, oh, I'm hanging with the cool kid. It's definitely that.

Where the other girl's like, oh, I'm like, Tamara likes me now. So I'm going to listen to everything she has to say. But when you use logic and evidence, it's like, oh, nothing she says has any substance. What an idiot. And the last thing I want to talk about before we move on to Heather, the most damning, evidence and the most, like the biggest bombshell that they have to drop on Jen that Tamara has is these text messages. She pulls out receipts that Jen's already read and look, they're extremely damning. Yeah. But it doesn't really do anything to further this narrative or further Tamara's

argument because we arrive at the same destination that we've been at all season. Jen is going to be with this man. She has decided, like regardless of everything she's seen, she is sticking with it because he makes her happy. Is it going to end tragically? Probably. It's probably not going to turn out great. I don't wish that on anybody. Like maybe by some stroke of luck,

this man did figure it out. All signs point to know, especially with these text messages. But that's the thing. Why are you so fucking invested? What is it? I would get it if they were actually friends. Not.

She made it very clear. She has dismissed the friendship so many times that it's like, okay, now you're just weird. If you were actually friends, at least ride that. that feeling of this is a really important friend to me and I do not want to see her in this relationship anymore and I'm getting really frustrated so I started talking shit about your relationship to other people so that maybe you would finally live it down and you would figure

it the fuck out no logic that's not what you're doing you've said that you're not friends with her so the minute that you get invested in her relationship like a weirdo you're a fucking weirdo that's all you are or you can finally admit that you just want to do this for a storyline for the TV show that you were unpaused from. That should the entire show be paused again. Arguably because of you. That's the funniest part. If you look back on what

made this season a disaster, I would love to see what this season looked like without Tamara. I would too. And like, it's so funny because we're obviously going to pick it apart here and there and with every little detail. Most of it comes back on Tamara. All the negative things that we hate about this show started

with Tamara and spiraled into so many different things. If she's not on this show, look, it might be boring as hell. That could be a possibility. But at least I would like to know what it's like because I feel like we never really got to figure out who anybody was because they were just constantly in some sort of fight that Tam were pushed.

But I guess that was the last three seasons that we didn't watch. I guess, yeah. So bring back Vicky full time. She was more enjoyable to watch than TAM. I don't know. I mean, obviously just like. We did not know how to fix.

I think the only way to fix this is pause, reboot. Yeah, pause boot. We talked about that. But. let's move on we get to taylor comes out on stage she looks great pops there and we start to talk about the the heather versus taylor shit that went on and look was heather condescending yes without a doubt they play the scene again and she does do that oh that's so cute kind of thing to her and then i guess we get another clip where or we didn't get a clip but taylor's like yeah and then you were

like where's oklahoma and she's like i'm bad with geography it's like no you know what you were doing there as well. She's not Magellan. She's not Magellan. You don't have to be Magellan to know that Oklahoma, even if you don't know the exact spot. He did not have to deal with land. He didn't know where Oklahoma was either. Nope.

Funny you say that. Good point. Hey, wow. He sounds smart. But from what I gather from like their whole interaction, their whole relationship, whatever, and Taylor had an issue with her saying that she doesn't support other females. I think that this is who Heather is. I think she's going to say some shit like that.

I do think that she meant it to be kind of snobers. I don't think it was the end of the world. And I think that the best way I can paint it is Heather can give it. She doesn't take it very well. Yeah, I think that's a, yeah. People go back at her then she gets like, and I think Emily said that last week or the week prior where she's like, you need to stop being so sensitive because everything that happens to her is like the end of the world.

That being said, she was on a trip for four days where it was literally let's pick on Heather the whole time. So there's kind of this weird middle. That was towards the end of the season though. The Montana thing happened and it was like, all right. Yeah, not that big of a deal. I get it. Look, again, it was still Tamara-centric because she's talking about the I&B page

and talking about the 19th century or whatever the fuck she's talking about. She hasn't done anything since the 1900s. So I understand that. It does feel like Heather just can't be the butt of a joke. No. We can remove that from the Cancun trip because the Cancun trip was not the butt of a joke. No. She was front and center for the tomatoes being thrown.

Yeah, it was really annoying, actually. And then back to the 1900s comment, Andy calls her out and says, why did you claim you didn't say that? Then she goes with that. It wasn't malicious. It's like, oh, it wasn't? You said she didn't done anything since the 1900s. And then the group laughs at your shitty joke.

And then that wasn't malicious. Once again, back, pedal, back, pedal back. But no, Andy, I love her. I didn't mean anything. But get the fuck out of here. I'm so sick of it. I'm so glad we only have one more episode of it. But then, lo and behold, it started with Taylor versus Heather.

But now we're back at Tamara versus Heather because Tamara brings up a back that one, Heather was in the airport in Montana or after the Montana trip. She ran into one of her old producers on the show and said to her, get me off this fucking show, right? And Tamara uses that as, like, I love when she suddenly now is like the victim. She's like, you know how disrespectful that is to us? It's like, one, you just got back here, okay? Two, you called all of these women losers, implying that you are too good for them.

So which one is it? Is it that you are insulted by her not wanting to be a part of it anymore? or that you're too cool for the show. No, honestly, I think that I wish that Heather had leaned into it, though, because we all were able to see. Heather's been checked out the entire season. Maybe that Montana trip, it's like, okay, let's see where this goes. After that trip, Heather didn't give a shit.

She was selling her house. All the nice moments, all the fun moments that we saw about Heather was with her and Terry, her and her family. Which I didn't like to. Which was a nice reprieve from all the bullshit. By the way, glad Terry's okay. Yeah, no, that's really good for Sarah. Yeah, thank God.

but that being said I understand why she wants to be off the show everybody who's watching this and I can't imagine what it's like to be in it because you know where the storylines are going to go especially if you've been on a show for as long as she's been on the show for as long as Tamara's been on the show

you know how this season's going and you don't like the direction it's already kind of in the basement of Bravo they try to bring it back with Tamara you can tell it's not working that well it's not fun nobody's enjoying themselves it's just an absolute shit story him the whole time.

So I get it. You came back from Montana. You were high energy because people were making fun of your career, if you will. And that's kind of where you were. You wanted to get the fuck off the show. You wanted to get back into acting. You want to do this or that and whatever. I don't care.

Lean into that. Don't act like, no, it was just a joke and do the tamar excuse. Lean into it. Be like, yeah, this show stinks. I know you can't do that. I know you can't do that on the reunion with Andy sitting right next to you. But at the same time, you can say, I didn't like the direction of this show. That Montana trip.

was awful and everybody was just pointing fingers at each other and there was too much going on. I didn't want to be part of it. See, I actually appreciated when she says, I'm very grateful for this platform and like everything is given to me. At least you like played that card. Yeah. But what I don't get and we get an Emily chime in and that's all Emily did this episode was just chime in. She had chime in here, chime in there and she lost me entirely. I liked her for the majority of the season. The last like four or five episodes I was out and then after the reunion, I just, I don't like her at all. But she gets upset about the fact that Tamara Tamara makes a comment about her not being a real attorney

and maybe go back to the clip and she says she's not even a practicing attorney guys and she says it with a condescending tone it was implied to be rude it was belittling her career instead of turning to Tamara and being like hey what the fuck she looks at Heather and goes why didn't you take up for me in that moment

and if you look at the scene Heather does she's like isn't yes she did she practiced hasn't she practiced recently at some point during the season Emily's head went so far up Tamara's ass and I have no idea when it happened. Like, I cannot pinpoint it because I felt the same way. Emily in the beginning was nice.

She was refreshing. She was, she spoke her mind pretty much the entire time. And then at some point, she just stopped. She didn't give us anything on screen for pretty much the rest of the season. And now in this reunion, like you said,

she's not going after Tamara, the one who made the comment. She's not going after the culprit ever. She's only going after Heather. She's so stuck in there. She's scared. She's scared of Tamara. But like,

what do you scare? I know the next week it looks like Heather's scared of Tamara. Maybe there's a reason, and it's probably because she just spews rumors and lies and shit everywhere and just, like, kicks up whatever. I don't get it. Maybe that's what they're scared of, but why do you want to be able to show with somebody that you have to be scared of in that way?

I don't get that. All you have to do is look at how this is going. You can rattle her like that. But the last thing is Gina versus Shannon, and... Shannon just needs to sit there and take this one because she fucked up royally by by bringing the CPS comment up, by implying that the kids were going to be taken by child protective services. As Emily says later on, there is no lower you can go than implying that your children are

going to be taken from you because you're an unfit mother via DUI. And that's exactly what Shannon did. So instead of sitting there and going, that was a huge mistake. I don't even remember it. I was so drunk. I'm so sorry. She tries to defend herself as to why she said it. And then she says, I already apologized.

Just fucking do it again, man. Just say, I am so sorry. That was appalling. I would never say that intentionally. I was too drunk. My bad, Gina. Or don't say anything and let Gina get it out of her system and then say sorry. Did you like the disclaimer?

I thought it was, yeah, I actually wrote it down. It's funny you brought that up. Yeah, I did see the disclaimer. And I was curious if that was in reference to Gina's DUI or because we now know that Shannon recently got a DUI or if it was in reference to getting so drunk that you forget that you said stupid shit. I think what

it is, is, because they do the disclaimers at the end of episodes when people have like mental health issues or drinking problems or whatever, they always throw that in there. Like, you know somebody that has a drinking problem, like that whatever. It was mid-episode was right before that segment. I think it was because we just want to cover

all of our bases. Because it never really got into like, I was expecting Gina to make a comment about Shannon's D or well not her DUI but you drink all the time what happens if you get behind the car are they going to take away like if she like made a comment like that I'm like oh shit maybe they're going to do something and it wasn't anything like that so I was a little surprised by it I think it's really just Bravo covering their asses that's saying like hey we're going to talk about DUI stuff here it's a little ironic that Shannon's the one who's giving it to Gina about her DUI four years ago whenever the fuck it was but you know we're just going to cover all over our bases here well the whole thing is just weird like Shannon not only does she not apologize, she tries to like spin zone it and then gets mad at Jen for stirring the pot because Jen told Gina about the comment.

One, it's housewives. That's what you do. Like you use those things against each other. Housewives are not. That's what I'm saying. You make that copy. Yeah. You deserve that.

If you're going to say that shit, then the person that you said it about deserves to know that you made that comment because that is bullshit. You can't bring that shit up. And just say sorry, but all she does is highlight the fact that she has been so kind to over the years and Gina makes a really good point.

I thought this was the best showing from Gina I've ever seen. She was on point. Her arguments were good. She says that Shannon weaponizes kindness. The fact that all she, I didn't realize all she did to help her with the DUI

was give her a phone number four and a half years ago. The funny thing about Gina is our biggest issue with her towards the end of the season was that she was trying to be friends with everybody. She wasn't getting,

and obviously she would have like some backup comments here and there or whatever. But for the most part, she wasn't really pushing any waves. You could tell early on, though, that she was kind of settling in next to Heather pretty early. Anytime that somebody said something about Heather, she was there

to back her up. She was always agreeing with whatever Heather was saying to the other side of the couch. So I don't know what happened. Now, obviously, we did get a little snippet. I forget if she posted this on Instagram or some sort of comment on Twitter. She said, I really value my friendship with Heather. So I think she

finally drew her line in the sand and that's a good thing because how many times did we want her to jump in during Cancun when everybody was going after Heather? It looked like Gina kind of did that at some point in time. She grew a spine. She chose a friend who's actually good for her, not the other side of the room because they are not good for anybody. That whole couch sucks. That whole couch is terrible. Nobody should be friends with those people. That whole couch is the reason this show sucks. It really is. Like get rid of that entire side of the room. You can keep Taylor, I guess, whatever. I kind of want to see what she does because I actually like Taylor. She's not part of that couch. She's not part of that couch. Exactly. She came in late and she left. But

Gina, like you said, was completely on point this whole time. I think she absolutely deconstructed Shannon. And it goes to show you what kind of friend Tamara is. This is your best friend over here. Tamara didn't step it. Not a word. Not a fucking peep from Tamara to go defend her friend. Not even a peep to like jump in and do what she was doing all season and join Gina because Gina's winning. Let me go join the winner and double down on what's going on here. Nope. I'm not going to say a word. You're not a good friend. You could have at least in the middle of it just said like Emily had at one point in time. Just apologize for that. It's fine. Just apologize for what you said. It was wrong to do. Nope. Shannon just keeps burying and burying and burying. And

Gina was absolutely destroying her. And it was good to see. I don't care. Disclaimer aside, she deserved what she got in that moment getting absolutely picked apart. Without a doubt. And I'm going to finish this segment to make Sutton happy. I'm just going to simply say, Tamra's a dickhead. Tamara is a dickhead. Boom. Shout out Sutton. But that takes us to Ross Lick, and what a good episode.

What a good start to the season. I know we do this all the time. But it really is. It's a great start. Monica is quickly becoming a favorite housewife of mine. She's so interesting. I can't tell. Sometimes I don't know if I like her or dislike her,

but she brings such a different element to a show. I think that's the perfect. balance of a housewife is of hate. You know what it is? I can't tell if I like her or dislike her, but I always want her on the screen. There, that's a good way to put it. That's a good way to put it.

But we start out with Meredith and RoboSeth. That's what I write in my book now. Roboseth. And they're going over the trip to Palm Springs and it's kind of recapping. And it's important that we set the stage with this scene because it's the first reference of this episode of the Angie rumor that we've been hearing about.

But it paints a very quick picture of the Meredith pattern. We've seen this over the course of each season. I know that last year was your first season. So your only evidence is to watch what she did to Lisa Barlow last season, right? We get these rumors. I don't know where I heard it. I don't know if it's true. I can't say it, but I'm going to say it eventually.

So we set the stage with that. And then the next scene is Lisa and Meredith are back together and they're getting some facials done. And Lisa lets us know that she is going. going to have an apre no ski party. I thought it was Apra Vita when we got there, though, because there was a thing on the wall. It was. I think it was just important for her to say that we're not going to go skiing because

then Mary wouldn't go. Oh. I didn't, I don't actually think that. I think that's what it is. I think it's important to say, hey, you know, choose fashion over function because we're not actually going to go skiing. Very specific. Yeah.

And then obviously, if there were skiing involved, Mary, be like, Mary be out. Mary be out. But I did like the fact that she just. immediately invites Monica. She doesn't play that stupid game that Meredith tried to play with Angie and Palm Springs. Like, first and foremost, you're all castmates. You have to invite them.

Second, it's just a dumb move always. Like, always invite them. It always comes back to bite you in the ass and you always look like the idiot. When even if you're the one who's right in that argument, doesn't matter. Which I don't think, I think they're both fine.

I don't really have an issue. I don't have a front runner in that argument. Oh, I do. You have Monica? Yeah. I don't really care either way because Lisa Barlow is who Lisa Barlow is. and that's what she's going to do.

I don't really have an issue with it because she's on TV. Maybe if she was a person that I hung out with on the regular and she was doing that, I'd get infuriated. Oh, yeah. But that being said, she's on TV, so I really do not care. We'll get to that. Just inviting Monica is definitely the right move. It sends a message to the rest of the group.

I don't really care. You can come. Yeah, no, it's a smart move. And moving on from there, we get Monica with Whitney. And I have a bone to pick. Not even a bone to pick. It's more just, have you ever noticed? how women greet each other when they walk in the room.

You look so gorgeous. Like when we see the housewives, when they see each other enter the room, it's always a big compliment about how they look. I think it's housewives, dude. If you think about it, like when Dev, when Dev sees her friends, they look so cute. You look so nice. Wow, that's a really nice shirt.

We do that. We can start doing that. I want to start doing that. Can we start doing that? We're going to be made thought of, though. That's fine. That's the problem. I mean, I tell dudes that, like, our friends,

I'm like, oh, you look good. But, like, it's very subtle and it's never like, when next time you walk in a room, I'm going to, be elated and be like, oh, my God, you look beautiful. We'll see. You don't think I will? No, I know you will. Yeah, you know I will.

But Monica and Whitney, this is a weird interaction, and this is just, like, Whitney's weird. She's just weird because she's going over the Palm Springs trip, and she just flat out says to Monica, like, I saw some red flags with you. I pretty much don't know if we can continue to be friends. And Monica's like, because I checked my friends because they were being. assholes and Whitney's like yeah like this is how you cheat your friends like maybe I don't know I think Whitney kind of made a good point I don't think so at all you don't think so at all no well

Whitney talks too much for it to actually be a good point but at the core of it I think that it's actually a pretty good point and I think I said this last week or the week before Monica's now on the show she was friends with Angie she was friends with whoever and she turns on them and it looked a little weird dude I know that she was calling out Angie for the right thing right like it's circumstance maybe you just kind of stand by like if she was actually friends with angie you don't just jump on her and to a woman that you don't know in meredith and start going after her like that there's a middle ground then did she come on too strong maybe maybe was she incorrect that like angie no what the

fuck you look like an idiot right now no she was not incorrect that's what i mean but erring it out in front of everybody instead of like taking her yeah all right so maybe there's a there's a gray area i think that's what whitney means like it it is kind of weird you did just get into this group and you're already burning your bridges with your friends that got you in the group to go hang out with the cool kids at the same time she's checking her friends because they're being assholes which i always appreciate and also for whitney to flat out say like this is a red flag i do not know if we can be friends i'm sitting there going what the fuck and monica's like starts to get defensive and i don't like when people do this like well now i can sense they're getting defensive

it's like yeah you just kind of check their well yeah i don't like that you do that either so now you can't pull back. Well, it is kind of funny, though, too, because I just refer to them as the cool kids, and Meredith is apparently part of the cool kids. Oh, God. I don't see what you did. But she did point out,

like, it looked that you're trying to suck up to Heather and Meredith. Monica stands by everything. She said, I appreciate that. What I appreciate the most out of this scene, and this might actually turn into one of the most flourishing friendships in the history of housewives between these two, because Monica is the way that she is,

and she goes, I appreciate the honesty. And she's the same way with Mary. We see that later. Mary just says off the wall shit. And she's like, I love it. Because of the way that Whitney is. And she just will, like, from left field seemingly,

just drop a bomb that does not fit. But Monica's able to hear it and be like, no, you know what? Thank you for coming to me about it. We're cool. And they kind of move forward. You know what it is? It's not hypocritical at all.

Right. She is the opposite of whatever the opposite of hypocritical is. I don't really know what the word is. Hopicritical. Hip hopopopatatibus. Is it bottom a critical? But she, like you said, she just took it in stride and she was able to say, yeah, you know what? I did that.

I checked my friends, just like you're checking me right now. I would appreciate it if I was in Angie's shoes and I had a friend that checked me in that moment. I'm appreciating it now because you're checking me and I'm able to explain myself. Let's move forward. I did get a little defensive, but you know what? I don't think you're coming from a bad place. So I'm going to explain this to you and we're going to be good. And I think Whitney was even taken back like, what the fuck is it?

Because usually when Whitney does that and she just drops a bomb, which I think Housewives in general, they try to make a splash and they drop things. I don't think Whitney does that. I think it just like pops into her head. Something pops into her head and she just says it. Yeah. Exactly. And I think that if, I think Monica already realizes that's who Whitney is, I don't think, I don't know, flourishing friendship. I think that Monica is just going to be herself no matter what and that's kind of what my takeaway was.

I do, but I think it's going to like weirdly work with Whitney because like she's not going to get upset when, because Whitney will say that shit to her friends. Yeah. She'll just say some random shit and you're like, whoa, where the fuck did that come from? Yeah. She did it to Heather like. 10 time I know that's what I'm saying you're like whoa like you you guys are having a great time and then she just like takes it upon herself in the middle of them laughing a big yeah didn't you have sex with your friend's husband or something like that you're like what where did that didn't happen that's not no no I know yeah like it comes out of nowhere and so I think that with monica's

disposition it might turn into a great friendship but Whitney warns monica about merited and just says, look, she has a history of the rumor mill. She brings things up when she feels slighted. She seems like she has this big grenade to drop. Just watch yourself, which is honestly really good advice when it comes to Meredith. Incredible advice, incredible foreshadowing. And I think this is when housewives are at their best when it feels scripted.

Oh, yeah. And it's not. And you can tell that it's absolutely not. But it feels like, whoa. It follows like a formula. Yeah, there's a formula in there. But like you were able to go from that trip where Meredith loses. her shit and you and I are sitting here talking about like yeah this is what

Meredith does she's going to start a rumor she feels like she's cornered she's going to just throw this out there and just see what happens and it always kind of does this thing and you can see it kind of happening start the episode that way move into Whitney and Monica talking Whitney warns Monica and then boom there it happens like it's crazy the way that it goes step A step B step C a little exposition a little climax and it feels organic the entire time like that's I feel like when housewives are at their best it's a really good way to put it. It's a really good way to put it. And we jump immediately to Whitney and Justin. Justin's going back to work. He had a one-year no-compete clause, which, God, it must be nice to get fired

from your job and have a one-year non-compete. And that means you just aren't going to work for a year. Oh, and he got like a severance package and probably got paid for 18 months. He's probably still getting paid from his last employer. And he's taking a new job, so he's going to double-dip an income too. Yeah. No shame. No shade there. But Justin's going back to work. And this is where, again, I had one thought and feeling when the scene started. And then when it ended, I was like, oh, okay, never mind. I literally wrote, never mind. Justin's an idiot, too, is what I wrote down in my notebook.

Because it starts out and they're both going back to, or he's going back to work full time. She's working full time with Whitney Rose, or Rose Beauty. Wildores. Wildores. Thank you. And she got her beauty company. She's running another company as well. I'm not positive what that one is.

But the point being They're both going to be working full-time jobs Who's going to take the kids? Blah, blah, blah. Justin out of the gate goes, well, I'm not going to be able to drop them up from school, but I'll be able to drop them off. Which is not the end of the world.

You can figure out somebody to pick them up at the end of the day. I feel like he is, I don't know if it's compromising. There are school buses out there? There are school buses, yeah. But the other thing is like, why are you having this conversation for the first time in front of your children?

Yeah. Like maybe hash this shit out beforehand. One, two, Whitney immediately gets like, feels slighted by it. She's like, well, whoa, like you're going back to work, so I immediately take the back seat. And I'm sure it could feel like that, especially because it's the man going back to work. So she feels like, oh, now it's a step into like the traditional woman role, which is not fair at all and shouldn't be the way. But I was confused because it just, it came up so fast. And I was like, well, he did say he'd drop them off.

He just can't pick him up. Maybe you guys should figure it out before we're labeling things a certain way. until the scene ends. And Justin's like, well, I really don't know. And I'm like, oh, you're dumb too. Like, you guys just have no idea what to do here. Like, nobody knows. There's so many fucking options.

And one, why is this the first you're talking about this? That's what I'm saying. Did you not realize that you were going back to work? Tomorrow? Like, both parts. You've had a year, Justin? Whitney doesn't realize that you're going back full time, which means that things are going to change.

You don't realize you're going back to full time, so things are going to change. You're not having this discussion at all. The day before your first day, at work. You have a nice little cake for your first day going back to work. You're literally going to work the next day. I think that's the funniest part is Whitney planned on having a nice little cake to celebrate you going back to work, but you didn't discuss the logistics of that? It's crazy. It's so funny. That's why I wrote. And you know what, maybe they, well, I don't

know what's going on with them right now. I know there's some rumors out there, but yeah, look, it looks like it works because neither of them are on the same wavelength. They just don't understand what's going on in all the times. It literally cracked me up because I put my own foot in my mouth because at the end of the scene I was just like oh never mind wow you guys are hopeless yeah like four incomes coming in now I think you can just pay somebody to go pick up the kids or something look I don't know and this is going to take us into our next thing I just talked about school buses are rich kids in salt lake city that go or park city wherever the hell they are that go on school buses are they going to get bullied maybe oh I don't know the other rich kids like

oh oh you take the school bus I don't know because I feel and this is like an Uber there's look point being there's options but we get a quick check-in with angie and her her look we love family scenes regardless we've hated people on the show and still giving them credit like jazelle when we were watching potomac like she was having a miserable season but seeing her with her daughters we gave her so much credit where we're like she's such a good mom she's so caring for her daughter she clearly loves them a lot like even in a season where i hated her i was like i i still will give props for problem. Sure, yeah.

Right? And I'm not trying to shit on Angie's family dynamic at all. All I'm saying is that scene and the scenes with her husband and daughter always seems so scripted and produced. Like, hey, you guys are going to be playing. Yeah, I'm done. I'm going to come in here and play slapjack with you and we're going to like, ha ha. And it was like, I literally.

Even then she was talking about stories. Like, do you remember when we used to play games and I used to like let you win because you were going to cry if you didn't win? It's like, it's not helping. No, it's really not. I actually was thinking during that scene. All right, enough of the Angie. with her family. I don't, I do not care.

Well, I didn't realize that, obviously, Sean's going to be a major part of this thing moving forward. That's why they threw that in there. Yeah. So it's like, all right. Like, we have to get to know Sean before we get this big bombshell that drops at the end of the episode. All we know is they're, oh, mightful. What? That was to highlight the fact that they're lacking intimacy to make the rumors seem that much harder here. That's exactly what it was. They're not having sex. So when we drop this rumor later it's going to seem like much more plausible because they are lacking intimacy in their marriage that's what it was okay i love light bulb moments yeah there's a good

light bulb moment but her family scenes are uncomfortable no i literally wrote why even shoot this scene i'm actually happy that we got to the bottom that's that's that's honestly that was because i was uncomforty yep that's what it was on the opposite end of the spectrum heather and her daughters this what a lovely scene what a lovely scene caring mother she's trying to They're getting bullied because of the book, which I would love to see Mormon bullying, which was not what I thought it was going to be at all. They're making cookies with the C word on them. Like, whoa, what a level of bullying I didn't even think existed.

Like, you're going to take the time to bake these girls cookies. And then, of course, my stupid brain, I'm like, wait, were they C-U-N-T cookies individually? So if you put them together or did it just say the C-word on the cookie? Like, what was the dynamic of the cookie? Could you imagine being, like, I'm going to shit on you. I made you a box of cookies. They're delicious by the way. You know, it would be funny, though, is if you changed it up instead of using sugar, you use salt.

Oh. Yeah, I guess, but it's still not. You're still, like, going through the process of baking cookies. I feel like you're not. It's hard to be a bully and bake cookies. I know. That's my point is like, that's your level of bully. I was like, hi, got you.

Here's a delicious snickerdoodle that says the C word on it, which I would probably just hand out the people would be like, here you go. Yeah, I would eat it. But they take it so well. Like the two girls are so well acclimated and emotionally intelligent. Like, mom, these people are miserable. They have their own traumas. They're just trying to deflect on us.

It's honestly funny that we live this rent free in their heads. Like, no, we're fine. We actually don't want you to get more involved because that would make it more difficult on us because we're fine. Yep. But I love that Heather checks in. I love that Heather takes it seriously. I love that the girls are so.

one, communicative with her and two are able to articulate one, how they're feeling and also, two, dive through all the bullshit they're getting at school and be like, yeah, it's pretty stupid that a bunch of kids are picking on us because you stepped out of the church. Like, what a dumb premise.

Yeah, I think her kids seem so mature. And I actually, again, like, I think you said that you really like this scene. It was a good dynamic between the two of them. Just because they are really adult and mature and able to take it in stride and say that it's not that bad anymore and it was a little bit bad when it started off but now it's like whatever they're baking us cookies so it can't be that

bad. Heather still feels really bad yeah and it's a nice like weak moment to see Heather who had a terrible season last year he's killing it she is awesome this year she's she found her role she went right back to where she hits the ball out of the park pretty much every single time and she gets to have moments like this like this is a great season for Heather so far and getting more family which is actually the one thing that I feel like was lacking last year I didn't see her daughters at all last year, I don't think. And I don't know if that was a choice maybe because the book was coming out. It could have been because of what was going on with the book.

Yeah, maybe they were in a bad place when the bullying was happening. Yeah, maybe. There's a lot of things there. But it is crazy to me. I think, like, now the funny thing about bullying is going to be like, oh, yeah, I saw your mom on Onlyfans. Oh, that's got to be happening now. If that's what's going on in the Mormon church, it's like, oh, yeah, your mom wrote a book,

we read the whole book together as a family. It's like, okay, thanks for the donation. You baked you cookies, you bitch. I just got a bigger house. because you bought my book, thanks. Right. Like, you can turn it into so many different things. It's the best fuck you.

It was a really good scene that I didn't think that we needed right away. Obviously, we got a little skiing in there, love to see some skiing, and then we have that, and it was a nice little breakdown, and I was happy with them. Yep. Yep. But that takes us to the Apre No Ski Party. And here's my issue with Lisa this season. And you said you don't mind it.

I don't mind flaunting the money. I don't mind living extravagantly. That is why we watch a lot of these shows. I get that. I'm here for it. My issue is when she says things like this is a byproduct of working hard. Okay, I get that you worked your ass off for Vita. I get you want to enjoy the money you've made by saying that you are implying that

those that make a lesser income than you do not work as hard. And I'm really glad that Monica pointed it out when those three guys were standing there making crapes saying these guys work their ass off too. It's not always about the amount of hard. hard work you're putting in to get out the amount of money that you make and that implication sucks because the guys that are doing construction rebuilding the streets and shit building the buildings downtown and shit they work their ass off too they just don't bring in the kind of money that you bring in you're very fortunate good for you you've worked your butt off no one's

taking anything away from the amount of work and effort that you put in and yes if you're making bank fucking live it up you absolutely deserve to spend the money that you make don't Don't shit on lesser people in the process. That's my problem. I don't think that she even realizes that she's shitting on anybody. She's completely aloof to all of that. There's no clue. And while I say, I don't mind that she's flaunting it and doing this and that and whatever,

because of the end of the day, it is a housewife show, and that's what people do want to see. And sometimes it's nice to see. Somebody like Lisa, who I actually like, I don't mind seeing things like that. I really don't think that there's any, there's no active or like, or she's not doing it on her own pushing people down and talking about the middle class and saying that she's better than anybody. She's just talking about how good she is. And I think that she really just

has no idea. She's ignorant to the way that the rest of the world works, which makes the comment from last week so much funnier, saying that she loves the middle class and she loves the middle class and she understands it. And then she says shit like that in front of the people who are making the crapes and just directing people over to go get more crapes without even looking

at the people over there. She's just completely ignorant to the rest of it. She's oblivious. Yes. She's just oblivious. And Monica and Lisa are what I thought was going to be a good conversation because it starts out like, oh, how's the crapes? Like, blah, blah, blah. And Lisa immediately presses the issue.

And she's like, you know, I'm just pretty bugged about you calling me materialistic. Like, look around, honey, like Valentino, brands I've never heard of, this and that, whatever. And I'm so glad that Monica once again, like, I think she's hilarious. She goes, Zara, like, Steve Madden. Steve Madden.

What did she call, what did Monica call Lisa when she was talking to Whitney a fuddy buddy oh no it was uh damn it i think it was funny buddy i think it was funny buddy i don't know what it means but it was funny buddy i like funny buddy i like words that sound fun what was that gen aiden word when they were in italy oh the witch yeah um i don't remember uh bug uh uh damn it it's gonna come to me in yeah i know minutes but bug a wolf bogo wolf bogo wolf Fogglewof. Fogel. Wow.

We did it. But this is where she puts into perspective by saying, like, these guys behind here slinging crapes for all these people are working their asses off, Lisa. So, like, just watch what you're saying. I get, I guess after what you said, like, I get both sides, kind of, right? Like, I get honest, obviously understand where Modic is coming from. The fact that Lisa is oblivious to it, for me, that excuse will only work for so long. And then when we go to the confessionals each time and she just doubles, triples, quadruples down on it,

still not understanding the point. Nobody's saying you cannot enjoy nice things. Yeah, I think she's having a really hard time separating what Monica is saying from the person. I feel like she feels personally, she feels personally attacked. Yeah, that's not what Monica's trying to do. Monica's trying to provide you perspective. Obviously, at some point, she's going to be annoyed by you not realizing what she's saying. Right.

And she just takes it as an insult over and over and over again. Lisa's actually just doing more, talking more about her brands and talking more about how much money she has. So it is kind of funny. That's why I don't really mind it because I think it's a hilarious dynamic. And again, it only works because of how Monica is and who Monica is. If Monica wanted to play the same game,

it could get really ugly, really fast and kind of tires on the watch. Instead, we're watching Monica, like, I know what you're doing. Monica, it's fine. You're just trying to explain things and she's not understanding what's going on. So it's a funny dynamic to watch unfold. I agree. And that's why I said this is a fantastic episode. Like, not hating it. I'm just trying

to put it into perspective. But the Snoop Dog comment killed me. I fucking loved it because she claims that, you know, you were crying on the phone that you could be on a private jet with Snoop Dog. Heather fucking perfect. She's like, I part of a Snoop Dog. You want to see some pictures? I can find it.

That's like, that's what Heather's there for. I know, but it was like, it's such a return to form for Heather. I'm like, this is what we've wanted. She didn't get involved. She used to get dragged into things, whether her own doing or somebody else's. It was Jen's doing. It was always Jen's doing. But then she got to a point.

where she had to insert herself into all the arguments that were happening. And the thing that makes Heather great is that little comment. She can make a comment based off of what's going on in front of her, huge argument, take away from it, make it fun. Somebody else immediately, Monica's involved in this argument. And she goes, no, you didn't party with Snoop Dog. Let me see a picture. And they just stop and they just look at it.

Like, it's so fucking funny. And that also, again, goes to Monica. Monica's in the middle of this argument with Lisa, not taking it seriously because Lisa's not understanding what she's saying at all. taking it all personally, just going back at Monica. Monica realizes she doesn't have time for that shit and starts talking to Heather about Snook. That's funny.

That is really funny. And what we see from Angie is similar behavior that we saw last year with Heather. Angie was involved in that argument too. What was she saying? I have no idea. Once again, she's in on the microphone. I have no idea what's going on. But this is what we saw with her bopping in last week at the bars.

Like, just this like floating head comes out of nowhere. Chihuahua. And then she shoves something in Monica's mouth. And, dude, if, I have to give Monica credit again, if somebody stuck their hand in my face and tried to stick something in my mouth, I would lose it. I would not be able to be like, oh, yeah, ha, ha, like brush it off. I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing?

Yeah. And she takes it like a champ. She just kind of brushes it off and just warns hand. She's like, you do not know the Pandora's box that you were about to open. Like, if I go off on what I have on you, it's not going to be pretty at all. Like, back the fuck off. But this is why Lisa is great because all of the sudden,

she's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is too loud. Come over here. Let's go sit down. They all just go sit like, just quick stop. Let's go take a seat and like hash this out. She just says, we're fine. Monica, we're fine.

Everything's fine. Monica, I think, is like whatever at this point. Let's just hug and move the fuck on because Lisa simply does not get it. Yep. And it's, it is what it is. So they go on the dance floor. Dolph, give us a beat. Love that.

I wrote that in capital. Dolph, give us a beat. That's great. Dolph drops a beat and they do awkward dancing in the middle of the floor. And I've seen more Mary hate in the comments and stuff that she's not doing enough. This is why I said last week, I just need her there. I don't need a lot out of her. I need her in the room because she says things like, wow, you really like to eat to Monica, who's crushing a crepe.

Or she gelles across the room. Heather, what made you wear that necklace? Yeah, I like, and Heather knows immediately what she's doing. Heather's like, I like this necklace. I like these earrings. They all go together. They bring out the champagne in my vest. I like all of it.

Mary's like, you do? That's why I just need her there for those moments. That's it. I don't need more out of her. Other people are saying, why I bring her back? She's not going to contribute. Is there some merit to that? Sure, I guess.

This is why you bring her back. Because during the chaos that's going on, you get things like, wow, you really like to eat. Just like, don't eat your life away. That's fucking funny. It's rude. Anybody else saying that would be obliterated, but because it's Mary fucking Cosby

and because Monica takes it in stride, it's a very funny moment. Yeah, Monica's reaction to that is, I don't care what happens. I wouldn't be best friends with Mary. And I hope that we get close enough that everybody looks and says, I'm best friends with Mary,

because that's really cool and I love what she does. Like, that's funny. How often do we see friends of, on the show and look remember she's not a full-time housewife how many times we see the friends of trying to insert themselves into things that they are not involved in yep they just want to get screen time they're so fucking hungry to get their face out there mary doesn't care no mary is part of this and she just bops in makes a couple of comments a couple of off-colored comments here and there takes it in stride leaves done it's all i need great it's funny comedic relief and we don't even

really need it yet in this show i think we're going to get to a point where it's going to be like, all right, we do need some Mary in here to kind of relieve a little bit of attention for what we're watching on Vold on screen. But for what she's doing right now, the show is enjoyable, and Mary adds a little component to that, so I'm fine with that.

It's perfect. It was the perfect depiction of what I was talking about last week. Just have her there. She doesn't need to be involved, just be there. But the last scene is Whitney's talking to Monica

and addressing the rumor and saying, look, I don't feel comfortable. Like, the funniest part is Whitney doesn't even know what the rumor is. right she's so concerned about it but monica doesn't even like tiptoe around she goes oh well apparently sean fucks other dudes and it's an arrangement in their marriage and it's pretty much a beard the whole what the whole marriage is a beard for sean like they have this unspoken agreement in which he goes out and has sex with men that's the big rumor that's the bombshell Whitney is

flabbergasted as anybody would be hearing that rumor that's a major accusation Whitney hearing that rumor was very flabbergasted yeah Whitney was dumbfounded the other person who heard the rumor who's much closer to the situation not that flabbergasted you noticed that too yeah okay I didn't want to nitpick but I was looking I was watching her reaction and when they call Angie over first of all

the funny thing was them going over and said up but that's so funny and I think that's kind of what you're alluding to with Whitney and Monica together the fact that they brought Angie over and said we need to talk about something but first we're going to do a shot so get over on this ice luge oh this is how this works okay so we're going to dump

this down here you need to finish the whole thing. Well, actually, where's your shot? Why are you not doing them? Well, I already took my shot. I need to get in this. The buildup was hilarious. It's so dramatic. Angie's like, what the fuck is going on? I have no idea what you're going to say to me. What is going on? Well, actually, we're going to go sit over here.

Let's go sit over here. Everybody's a good spot. It was so funny because they both wanted to go about it the same way and they were just both prolonging it until the perfect situation, which there is no perfect situation to tell somebody, hey, we just heard that your husband's out fucking dudes and you guys have a sham marriage.

and you would think, and I'm glad you brought it up, I was going to sidestep it because I didn't want to throw it out there. I was watching for Angie's reaction. This is an atomic bomb. This is not only are they challenging the validity of your marriage. They're bringing into question your husband's sexual orientation. They're potentially outing your husband. Like there's so many levels to this rumor.

And she just goes, what? We've been married for 27 years. not you would be outraged like yeah stand up and throw a couch i would flip a table i'd pull a teresa and be like what the fuck what are you talking i would i would run i wouldn't walk jauntily over to meredith and be like do you have a minute do you have a second i would go somewhere private that party to the ground meredith would be in my crosshairs like now i mean there's one of two things to think one either it's true and andy knows it and that was a completely fake reaction or shock two no oh shock isn't even one of the

options, actually, because I think that she knows that the rumor. The second one is she already knows the rumor. She understands the rumor. She's heard the rumor. People have brought it up to her before. She's dealt with it in her own way. Maybe we can give her a little bit of grace there and say that somebody has already brought this up to her and she's already talked about it.

She's already heard it. It's a small town. We hear it all the time. You guys talk and the rumors fly back and forth and everybody knows everything about everybody. She goes over to go talk to Meredith. I think she's more concerned with the fact that it came from Meredith. instead of the actual rumor.

I think that's part of it. The whole Meredith aspect of it overpowered. So that's why she immediately walked over to Meredith because she already has beef with Meredith. So now she kind of sees like this as an opportunity to go after Meredith. Okay.

But it doesn't take away from her reaction. As soon as you hear that, you would be flipping the fuck out. Yeah. Not what Angie did. No. So I don't get that. So it's interesting.

I'm not... We'll have to see how she handles it with Meredith next week. Correct. If she's comical and collected the whole time, she already knows about the room. whether it's true or not, she already knows what's going on and she's dealt with it.

I don't know. I don't know. It's going to be interesting. It's good cliffhanger, though. Yeah, it's a good cliffhanger to be continued. No scenes from next week. They're not giving any spoilers. So all in all, phenomenal episodes.

Salt Lake seems to have returned and it couldn't have happened faster. I'm so glad they're back. But that takes us to the question. So let's dive right in. Up first from Chef Amber, Bresnahan, 87. Wow, I read that with no issues. Good job. Thank you. Do you think Tamara will be more supportive of Shannon from her podcast? Didn't feel like it. No. Yeah, you would imagine she would be. You would

imagine, but no. No, because her podcast is for her to sit there and talk shit about people the entire time, share secrets, share things that happened, put it out into the world. You would think that she would, if she was friends with Shannon, she would take half an episode to talk about how she wants to be there with Shannon and how we all have to support her through all of this. She's not doing that. No, she thinks. From exactly, do Emily

and Gina need to be separated and one remain a housewife or do both go? We've already said, pause boot. Yep, pause boot. Give him five years off, bring him back with a whole new cast. From coconut, so would you prefer to see what Mary is up to or remain as comic relief in the background? Comic relief in the background.

Yeah, unless she's doing something funny. Or if she's doing something with her church. I do like those. We got those scenes before when she was on the show. I would like to check in with her church. From Liz's carbs, is Whitney becoming Tamara 2.0? No, I don't think so. That's mean.

I don't think she's lying either. It's like calling somebody a dickhead. Yeah, she's not a dickhead. And the other part of it is like Whitney might say shit out of nowhere, similar to Tamara. But Whitney doesn't lie. Yeah, Whitney doesn't lie. And it doesn't seem like Whitney has an agenda for anything. She just talks.

I think it just pops in her head and then out of her mouth. Last one. From Breena 0464. I hated this season and only listen to the Bros. Recaps. Are you watching again next year? Hopefully not. Hopefully not. Honestly, the thing is, if they don't reboot it entirely or put it on pause and Tamara's back,

I don't want to watch it. It's going to be the same show, and it doesn't make any sense. We may genuinely put a poll out there, and here's the thing. If you are... We'll do a pause. Yeah. We'll do a pause. Self-impose pause.

No, genuinely, because we love you so much, we'll probably put a poll out and say, do you guys want us to recap O.C. this year? And if you force us to do it... Yeah, but our fans are sickos and they're going to want to, like, hear our misery every week. I hope not. I hope you guys throw us a bone. Yeah. But...

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