Bros & Shows - Three Dudes One Scandoval w/ Ryan Bailey (VPR, Summer House, RHONJ)

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

Whats up Bros?! We have a very special guet this week, Ryan Bailey from his podcast So Bad it's Good with Ryan Bailey. Our fellow BravBro joins us to recap Summer House. We dive into the Lindsay and Carl vs. Danielle, and Ryan gives us his take on some of the newbies. Then were on to RHONJ where we talk Louie, the tired fighting between Joe and Teresa and how the new housewives are fitting in. We also play a round of Tagline Freestyle and get into the details of Scandoval... Before that, we touch on this weeks episode of VPR since it aired after we recorded with Ryan. So buckle up for a packed episode of laughs with one of our favorite guests! Time Stamps: VPR: (11:19) Ryan Bailey Interview Begins: (27:51) Scandoval (43:44) Summer House (56:31) RHONJ (1:18:36) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Please play responsibly. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter McGavin. Shoots, what's up, dude? Huge week for the boys. Big week. Massive week.

And it's been a while since we've said that, honestly. We've kind of like, not that we haven't been growing, but in the beginning, I feel like we were like, great week this week. Yeah. No much action. Now we're just kind of used to it, but this was actually a huge week for us. And we're really excited to bring you a couple things over the next couple of weeks. Some interviews we can't quite talk about yet, but one interview we can talk about is Ryan Bailey. We did an interview with Ryan Bailey yesterday.

It was an absolute blast. And that's what you're going to listen to today. We're going to do a quick Rosenthorn. We're going to do our VPR recap. But then we're going to dive in with Bailey. And it was, I had a blast, dude. What about you? Yeah, no, it was really fun.

We kind of meshed really early on a lot of the same opinions. It was cool to kind of pick his brain because he's been doing it for so long and just kind of pick up what he's putting down for us. I can hope what he's putting down. We're buying what he's selling. No, I mean, we all messed really well. We've heard from Zach told us a lot of people have kind of said that you guys need to hook up with Ryan Bailey. We're actually all on the same network, Cloud 10, so it worked out really well. But you guys will be listening to that shortly.

Yep. But Scoots and I just got off the golf course. We're literally still in our golfing attire. So for those of you on YouTube, this is what we look like when we golf. Adds to the big week for the boys. We got out, great weather and really feeling it. Nice and loose. Yeah, we're in a good place.

all right it's like you said i do remember in the beginning like every week's a huge week huge week and it was we got kind of used to it and i i think it's a good reminder not to get complacent like still enjoy every moment still take it all in like we're so grateful for you guys and getting us to this point and we can't wait to see what's next but above all else thank you to our listeners because without y'all none of this is possible it's been a long time since a good steel thank you rant and we all appreciate it i needed to and like i texted you And, like, I had a rough month. I didn't even realize it.

Like, I was, I was down. I was, I was depressed. And I texted you. I talked to Dev about it. You know, you don't really know until you come out of it. And, like, I was, I was three days out of it. And I was like, oh, wow, I didn't realize that. And then I started to do my gratitude again, started to look around and be like, you know what?

The podcast is great. Life's pretty great. I need to just take it all in, smile and enjoy the weather. Lots to be thankful for nowadays. And I know there's people out there that are disappointed that we're not negative in the beginning. A lot of comments this week about us being negative about stuff, but a lot of positivity out there right now. Yeah. Positive Peters. With that, let's get to our KD.R. Sharif. Our Rose and our Kdar Sharif, I'll start us off this week. And I'll start with our Kdar

Sharif because also I want to address this. So actually, you know what? You go first because I might have to rant a little bit. Okay. It's always good to schedule your rant. Not an angry rant. I'm not, I don't want to be angry. So it's just going to be a rant, but you go first. Okay. Cool. So my first one Is a It could be a rose, could be a thorn, honestly And I'll read it out And then I'll tell you what I'm thinking

Okay It comes from Patricia Smith 3046 on TikTok Yeah comma You two are decent men On the Sandoval thing Now Is she actually calling us decent men

Or is the sarcasm not translating? The yeah comma really kind of put me for a tailspin That's an interesting one Yeah, okay You two are decent Yeah you guys are good You guys can talk on this

It's like, you don't know us, lady. You don't know who we are. Or you do. Maybe you think that we're decent men. Then you definitely do know us. Otherwise, you don't know us, lady. Wow. We got an ambiguous rosy, rosy Kate. Rosie Kate.

I don't know. I think it's right down the middle. I would like to believe that she thinks we're decent men. I think so, too. So just to be safe, I'm going to do an actual rose. And this comes from travel love wine. So proud of these men getting it with a heart face. And we're proud of you for traveling and loving wine.

Yeah. Good for you. you. Yeah. Sounds like a great life. Okay. Here we go. I'm going to start with my rose.

I usually start with my K&R. Sharif. I'm starting with my rose this time because I want to address the next one. My rose is from Kristen Testerver. Testever. Chris Tend test ever. It's clearly Kristen. And I guess her last name is testiver.

I don't know. Sure. But it's a whatever. Go with it. And she just comments, we see the jorts. So last week, when I commented, I'm wearing the jorts. They noticed the jorts.

So if you notice the jorts, go and buy yourself a pair of joints. Join the craze. All right, let's make this a thing. 23, the year jorts. Get your jorts, baby. I saw a couple of hashtag jorts trending on the last Instagram post. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Do you think we can sell jorts in the shop? Sure. Do you think people would buy them? No. You don't think anybody? Shouldn't. Guys. Guys, if you buy, if I put a pair of jorts up and I sell 10 pairs.

We'll put our faces on your ass right over the, like, you know, Apple Bottom jeans, it'll just be our faces. It'll be, each cheek will be a bro. Brov-bro bottom jeans. Brov-brotum jeans. Jorts. Sure. We'll work on that. Yeah, we'll workshop it.

But here's my KDAR Sharif, or my KRS. It was a review, and it's a two-star review. says Lauren rules, question mark? And it says, for some reason, these guys seem to be obsessed with Lala from VPR. I mean, are there any other people on that show? Although they are constantly ripping on Lala, to be honest, it reads as little boys pulling the hair of the girl they have a crush on. They like to call her Lauren as if it's an insult, but do they realize that she often refers to herself that way as well? Unclear.

They frequently seem to not really know what they're talking about regardless of the show, but that's not going to stop them from mansplaining it to you. Wow. A lot of hate there. A lot of hate. A lot of hate. It was like a specific reason why you hate us. Obviously, you love Lala. Fine, whatever.

Love who you love. But the rest of it, damn. That's a description for our show. Yeah, that's a new bio. They never know what they're talking about and they will mansplain it to you. Regardless of the show. Brov Bros. So here's my thing.

I think that we do, I would like to think that we don't mansplain. I want to just say that. We had a discussion about mansplaining and I feel like we landed on two men talking about something is mansplaining. Technically speaking, I guess, but not, I don't, I hope it doesn't come off in a condescending way. Now, to the Lala of it all,

let me get this out there for everybody. I don't hate Lala. I've never hated Lala. I don't like the way she's handling things this season. Have I been a little over the top at times? Yes, I agree. I've gotten a little anthub.

It's just frustrating to watch certain things where if she approached things with uh i've been through this kind of like we saw last night yeah i've been through this you are not a mistress which is ironic because she was if she'd taken that approach from the beginning like hey i've been through this and maybe tried to like have a teaching moment or try to have a heart to heart or maybe just take a different approach instead of just like gaslighting and crucifying and like going after the jugular that was that was and is my problem and that's my problem not just with her it's just she's the most outspoken so i

think it's more of a target. Everybody on the show does this. Like, nobody seems to remember where they came from what they've done in the past. If they approach these situations with more of a pragmatic approach, more of a, I understand this, I've done this before, it took me a long time to recover. I don't think you should go down this path. Not that they're entitled to do that, but I think that's where my frustrations lied, and they came out a little bit stronger than maybe I would have liked.

That's fair. That's very well said, I feel like. Yeah. mansplained the shit out of it. No, I completely agree. Like, if we got more of what Lala was last night in the tail end of that conversation, now look, I actually kind of liked the fact

that she was making fun of Raquel for being a mistress because that's obvious. Like, Raquel threw that in her face. She threw it right back, thought it was funny. Yeah. And then was able to resolve it in an adult way, which I thought was a huge step. And I was like, what the hell?

Like, I did not expect her to do this. I cheered. Maybe it was because, you know, they were by themselves. Fine, whatever. Should Raquel have gone over there right away on Lauren's birthday? no absolutely she shouldn't have been there certainly not you know talk to her a day after but you know what she wanted to get ahead of it so there you go she went right there talked to her i think what we got from that was great if we could have gotten that and she dropped that whole mean girl

shit in Vegas which by the way she's still not taking responsibility for in that moment in september for her birthday she's still not taking any sort of responsibility at all and she was a dick whatever rquel deserves it now but she didn't deserve it then necessarily and i just think if we got a little bit more of that character, I'd be okay when she pops off of random things. Agreed. That's a really good point. I think I'd be more or less reactive to the outbursts if I saw. We give these people grace. Like they are, half of them are nuts and the like the aggressiveness and like just their general disposition and just completely being blind to everything. Like those things happen. We understand that. But if you're a good person sometimes, we'll let you get away with that because that makes for good TV. And we also understand like you can't try all the time. That's a really good point. Well said.

Well said. There we go. Mansplaining forever. But we don't want to waste any time. We want to get right to the business because we're going to get to the Ryan Bailey of it all because we want you guys to listen to all of it. It was an exceptional time. So let's just go through Vanderpump real quick. We recap everything else with Ryan.

So let's start it out. Well, before you started out, let's plug. Plugs. Damn it, dude. One last week. Suck it plugs. One last week until our live show next Thursday. night, city winery, seven o'clock,

Zach Peter. Get your tickets now if you haven't yet. We have a special surprise. I think we can announce it now. You can say it right now. Yeah. We will be joined by the one and only Durinda Medley. We got Derinda. She's coming. Yeah, and we're going to make it nice.

We are because we're not going up to Bluestone Matter. I'm so excited. Dev loves Durinda. So I know all about Durinda. New York was one of my first ones. I started with Bander Pump, as you know. Roney was my second dive in. So I am a Derinda fan as well. I'm so excited that we get to sit down and chat with her. You guys get to meet her. Buy a ticket. There's not a whole lot left. Yeah. You got six days. On your last chance at this point. Yep. Six days to get a ticket. And I have a feeling with the Derinda announcement. They're going to go pretty quick. So don't wait. If you're waiting for the week of the show, you might not get one. So buy one now. Come hang out with the bros and Zach Peter. It's a no filter night out, baby, featuring Derinda Midley. Now let's get to Vanderpump. Yes.

We start out with a scene that I loved, I loved this scene. Katie goes to Schwartz's to pick the dogs up and walks in the door. He is fresh off of Mexico and making out with Raquel. Like this is still. Like a day or two later. Yeah. It's only 48 hours removed max, right? And she goes to get the dogs and he sits down.

You can tell he's trying to fish a little bit. He's like making noises and talking baby talk to the dogs, like clearly trying to like ease the tension. Katie's not paying attention to him at all, and he sits down and is like, oh, man, like this, just so frustrated and like this bar, like everything's driving me crazy. And she's like, oh, that sucks by. And there's bolts. Yep. Like, I love that.

Like, fuck you, Schwartz. Yeah, absolutely. Like, the fact that he was fishing in the first place, the fact that he sat down and thought that he could have that conversation, you can't play dumb to this extent. Like, you can play dumb to a certain extent for sure. And people will give you that because you're Schwartz and that's who you are. But this is beyond, way beyond that. like dude just fucking like either leave her alone or try to apologize or whatever you want to do but don't just act like nothing happens because something big happened and you're not taking

ownership at all you're just like whatever it's very clear to me that you're just kind of an asshole kind of an asshole if you can look at this situation and not realize what you've done wrong we watched the rest of the episode him and sandevall try to write this off is not a big deal like why is everyone blowing this out of proportion because that was also I didn't even think about it until Charlie said it. That was their 12th anniversary weekend. There's a lot of... Should they have gone out to dinner for it?

No, but, you know, it was. No, but he shouldn't have made out with somebody else when she was there. I don't care if you're in Mexico. I don't care if it's like... Even if she wasn't there, he shouldn't have made out. Absolutely not. Like, it's just a bad fucking look, but it takes us right to the Charlie scene. And Charlie, once again, it continues to be an MVP this year,

immediately calls out Raquel. If we had more of this on the show, maybe there'd be less bullshit behind the scenes. if we need people to just hold your friends accountable. We're watching across the board on Bravo shows of people saying the most outlandish shit and people getting in all of these crazy debacles and people, their friends stand by and watch this shit happen. Nobody says, hey, you look like an idiot, knock it off.

Instead, they are a party to it or they try to cover it up. More Bravo people need to take a note here and be like, oh, if you're my friend, this is how you be a friend. flash over to Summerhouse like how Danielle tries to check Lindsay, that's not how it's done. Charlie goes at it with a very mellow approach. Look, I'm your friend. I'm here for you

but this was fucked up. This is a bad look and I'm going to tell you that because I am worried about you and your reputation and I think this was really shitty of you. I think you need to apologize. That's a friend. Yeah, that's a good friend and Charlie has had a very good season because she's been the really the only logical one in all of this

where she recognized what Lala, Katie and Christina Kelly were doing to Raquel up in Vegas. When they got to have a sue a little bit later, she knew what was going on. And then right afterwards, she's not taking Raquel's side. She's going right against it.

So, like, she's being very logical on all of this. And maybe if we had, like, one or two more people that did that, it might be a little bit better for everybody else. But it seems like the illogical move, the dumb move, the really disrespectful move,

is taking over in this group. And that's what it always is. But, like, now it's just gotten so much worse. It's just so out of hand. So I don't know. I really like that scene because you could even see in Raquel's,

face like what do you mean like what did i do wrong it's not like i'm going to date them it's like no no you still did that that's still wrong it's almost like both her and schwartz are the same they don't view making out with somebody as anything wrong but it's minimizing yeah you're minimizing what it was i just wanted to make out with somebody i just made out with them like make out with one of the other thousand people of the resort like it's the person you made out with that's the problem you know like it doesn't matter if you're not with somebody there's rules there's there's man code there's women code like this is a thing You take care of your friends.

You don't hook up with their exes. That's like standard. It's on the plaque. It's on the masthead. Don't do that. We're doing the activity of completely ignoring the sand of all of it all right now. Yeah. Where we're just trying to do these things in a bottle.

And I know people will always have that hindsight and jump in and be like, why aren't you talking about Sandoval with all this? Because we watched an episode where, yeah, later there's a lot of action, which we'll get to. But right in this instance, no, we're talking about Raquel and Schwartz. And I do want to shout out because I forgot to shout out last week. we love a good performance at a wedding at a party whatever the people that were dancing with the mirror suits oh i love that sick that was such a cool addition to the wedding in the water and it was reflect oh man what a great time it was a beautiful wedding i need that they did put them in a bubble in a pool and put some fire behind them that's like

what was the pool bubble is that jersey yeah that was the love bubble yeah the love bubble yeah the love oh jesus i forgot about the i hope that woman got out of the bubble uh moving right along though we get that quick cut with like tom and Tom at, um, we get that quick cut of Tom and Tom at Schwartz and Sandys and Brett fired their kitchen, which along with that, the whole kitchen staff left. It's just, it's an absolute nightmare. And Dev and I were talking about it. There's so many options that you could do to fill the kitchen for the time being. Hire a food truck for one month. Yes. Like you're in L.A. There is food. You can probably get a food truck for way less than you're paying for rent at this point.

Like at least subsidize a little bit. them bitches. Put them out front and be like, hey, drinks in the house, raise the prices by like 50 cents. Every brewery in the nation does that and they do fine. Yeah. Like if you want to make at least something so you're not just like pouring money out the door, get a fucking food truck. Like it's so simple. Like there's, this is how dumb they are. They can't see past like, oh, there's other options. Well, it's just, it's Schwartz is dumb. It's Sandival just isn't even involved. And the fact that, like, we can talk about this and then kind of get into like the Schwartz with the meeting with LVP later

but Sandoval lashing out at Brett while he's telling him all of this. This fucking hysterical. The emotion was so fake. Like you went from zero to 100 so quick with your stupid white nails like dude, shut up.

Like you haven't been here. We know as an audience back then that you weren't there because you were doing the stupid tour and he starts talking about his tour and he's like, well you know I had that practice date like planned out like who cares? Doesn't matter. You're losing money. You're losing your mother.

retirement fund, you're losing a million dollars of your, like, you are going broke doing this, and all you care about is cheating on your girlfriend and playing in a goddamn cover band that sucks, by the way. If I borrowed 250K from my parents, and they asked where I was because the borrowers and open, I was like, oh, I'm a band practice for a cover band, they would drive there, drag me out by my ear, and take me to the restaurant to finish it. It's insane that he thinks that he's in the right at all, but this just kind of goes to show you the mentality and psyche that

is Tom Sandable. He's so dumb. He's not even dumb. He's just like not involved and completely out there. And then Schwartz is very dumb. The two of them together, they, I am surprised that it ever opened. It's dumb and dumber. It's fucking dumb and dumber. But we get Tom Ariana and Katie chatting and

they're going over why Katie's upset because Tom is trying to defend what happened. And now we know why, right? Now we know what he's trying. He's trying to play Kate and make it seem okay or at least point the direction at Yeah, because there's guilt there. Correct.

Well, that's not that big of a deal, right? Right? Like, I'm trying to test the waters here because I fucked her. Like, you know, I don't know if you fucked her at this point, but he definitely hooked up with her at this point. He definitely had sex at this. There's no way they haven't had sex. You see the tension later. At some point, they definitely did.

But see, what we were led to believe is that it happened right before Mexico. They hooked up and they kissed under the stars or whatever bullshit. And then, you know, maybe they fooled around a little bit in Mexico. Whatever, I don't care. But for him, yeah, he's testing the waters. He's like, so specifically with Raquel. somebody making out with her it's probably not that big of a deal right right right like you'd be cool with it right ariana like she's blowing it out of proportion get the fuck out of here and i love

that katy ends it with this like foreshadowing sentence and i i don't love it like oh it was just like wow it really lands because she goes pray that no one ever does that to you and seeing her say that and then seeing ariana right next i'm like oh my god that is heartbreaking yeah that is absolutely heartbreaking because not only is that going to happen, it's currently happening as we're watching this shit. And this is when I think the show, it's going to take a dark turn. Yeah, it has to go now, I imagine. After what Ali said. Yeah, like things are starting to come out of the wood where let's get into it. We allie outs them for being at Abby. I'm so upset that they didn't get that on camera. It was at Lala's apartment and she, we didn't hear about it until Allie's confessional.

Yeah. But she said, you know, I went to go see Lala, came. Katie, I think Christina Kelly was there, or whoever, and sat down and told them this. I would have loved to have seen Lala's face because I want to know where she lands on it then. We know where she is now, acting like she knew the whole time. But at that point, like, I want to see that interaction. I'm so disappointed that it wasn't on camera, but whatever. I am too. It might have, who knows?

Like, I don't, I'm curious what they did actually. They would have absolutely played that. Yeah. All right. Well, let's keep trucking along. I got to get to Ryan Bailey. But this is kind of the first evidence. I think if you want to look for like Easter eggs that you really, really get that there's some weird tension.

I mean, obviously there was the potential ass grab in Mexico was the first inkling. But this one, this scene was so slimy to me. Like I did not enjoy watching it. I didn't like any of the three of them in this scene at all because Rachel tries to play the hurt, sad, like, woe is me character. But it's like, dude, you're hooking up with him right now. So, yeah, is it harsh to hear that somebody called you a whore? Like, yeah, that's a rough thing to hear. I understand getting upset about that.

However, for you to act like you're this upset about the whole situation, when you knowingly are hooking up with this man who is in a nine-year relationship, like, you start to piece things together with Rachel. And it's like she tries to garner sympathy all season. And this is where I will play the hindsight game. It's just because the character that she's playing in confessionals, with what she's saying about finding herself, learning a lot about herself,

being comfortable with who she actually is. It's like, okay, well, that's you saying you're comfortable with being this woman that is happy to cheat with another guy. Like, that's fucked. Yeah. So, again, we don't like to play hindsight. We like to be in the moment,

but now that the worlds are finally colliding, this scene was off-putting to me. And the one thing that I want to say, but it goes, she doesn't have a bad bone in her body. And I looked at Dev, and I go, she's got one bad bone in her body. I think LVP said, Bob. Is that who LVP?

I think so. Yeah, she said, Raquel doesn't have one bad bonner. Oh, no, no. Santhal said that. Oh, he did? Yeah. Yeah. And then I said he's got one bad bone in her body.

Sandable's boner. One word too far probably. We understood what you were yet. I was just clarified. Yeah, no. I was just clarified. No, it was definitely very, like, cringy to watch. And it always is, but I don't know.

It's just so fucking weird. And whatever's going on with her and the Tom's at that point, like the overlap is, it's dirty, it's grimy, we don't want to deal with it, but you can kind of see, like, when Raquel is talking about, like, not wanting to do that, and obviously, like you said, like we have the benefit of hindsight, I don't believe her at all. And it's not because of what we know. I'm just watching her, I'm like, you're just not being genuine. Like, no, it seems you're genuine when you say you have no idea what you're doing and you're just trying to find your way. Get that. That makes sense. But the rest of it, it's like, you don't believe that.

You don't care if somebody's dating this person or that person. When she talks to Oliver later, I'm like, there's no remorse there. It was weird that you called his ex-wife. I don't know why Sheena was on board with that one. That's kind of odd. Keep it at a hundred and just fucking text back and forth. You don't want to have that conversation. Well, clearly that was production.

That's a production. Well, we didn't even hear what's on Samantha. We didn't even hear Samantha's voice. She probably didn't sign off on it. That's what I was matching to. Yeah. Speaker, that's fucked up. I didn't want to be on blast like that.

Well, with, yeah, true. But with that, I mean, she did tag Raquel in posts. And, like, in this instance, we're assuming that she had no idea that he was married, and, like, they were still trying to watch. I give her that. I definitely give her. I just don't think she feels bad after she hears it. I think she only thinks about herself. It's, yeah, I think she's, she seems to be more concerned about what her reputation is going to look like after this than the actual act of being party to something schemy. Yes. Like, that's what I get. She does not feel, I don't think she feels bad for Samantha. She only

talks about herself and then immediately worries about what Lala will think. That's a good point. You don't, you don't see any remorse. She wants to clear her name with Samantha doesn't end up doing that still wants to clear her name with Oliver and she says yeah you know that just really sucks that like you would lead me like that like she again does not care no so you know what she only thinks about herself and that's what gets her into trouble with this yeah and it kind of takes us towards the end i mean we're at la la la's party and she's been talking a lot of shit about the oliver situation which i was getting a little flustered just because i was like this this situation is actually identical to what you went through with randall you claim to not a

have known that he was still married you got blindsided by it like that was your experience so when she's sitting there shitting on rachel and i'm like this is literally the same thing this is one time you actually can have some grace and i was so fired up we already talked about it but when she actually gives her some grace and it's like hey been there i know it sucks and i the worst part is he's going to get off scot-free and you're going to have to deal with this shit and i'm sorry that she ends it with by the way you're not a mistress and it's like she is though right now she is but it was like i i agree the early factors of that where la la was like laughing and cackling at the table and everything clapping her hands that was uncomfortable it's like too much just fucking

relax like you are actually invested in someone else's demise at this point and you're getting way too much satisfaction from it like way too much just fucking you can be happy about it because it is like ironic that she called you a mistress last week and now here she is is. You can laugh about that. You can make a joke about that. Fine. As long as you come back the way that you did. So I'm even extending the grace to that and saying I will ignore that behavior before Rachel Raquel got there. Afterwards is what I do want to focus on. And that was really nice because, again, you have more than enough leeway there to make a couple of jokes because of what Raquel said to you. As long as you come back and you say, look, you're not a mistress and you actually have a heart to heart with her. That was pretty cool. I didn't expect Lala to do that. I didn't either. And it was... kind of between that and then the Apple review is kind of like, all right, maybe I got a little jacked up, maybe I came a little hot. No, no. She's had a rough season.

Okay. This is a little redeeming, but I do think it was really. It was very redeeming. I thought that Rachel was going to try to go to the party. I thought she was going to be like, can I come in around and go too? Or just go in, not even ask. Just walk right in. At least she realized I need to go home and not be a part of this.

Like, there's still a lot. Because Katie's sitting in there. Like, you still did that. Like, let's not forget. Like, she's like, ooh. I didn't even think about that. That's good point. She's like, oh, dodged the bullet with Oliver.

Schwartz was at home taking a bath. I didn't need that. I didn't need to see Schwartz in the bath. He did not need to see the pasty back. No, that was an upsetting scene. And just both of the Tom's need to fuck off. And I would give Schwartz some credit for calling out Sandoval, but he doesn't deserve any credit because he immediately backed down.

He immediately, he always backs down. He has these moments where he'll snap and go off and then he pulls it back and rains an ink. He's a big giant pussy. Yeah, and Lisa also didn't back him up. Lisa was just like, I can't do this. Like, you guys are unhinged at this point. Oh, Lisa's like, I put my name on the line now because I'm involved in Jesus Christ.

Yeah, you guys can't even figure this out. You're telling me that he's not here ever. He's at band practice and getting his nails done. And then Tom doesn't, Sanofal doesn't even say in his confessional. Like, oh, no, I wasn't doing any of that, like, Schwartz's mistake and blah, blah, blah, try to clear his name. He made a joke about it. He said, I'm not going to show up with grubby nails. Yeah, grubby nails.

And I've had this band practice scheduled for weeks. Like, who cares, dude? Can't have grubby nails with you got that grubby-ass porn stash. Like, get the fuck out of here, buddy. A little loser. Well, that does it for us in this segment. Keep on listening because right now we got the brav bros with Ryan Bailey to recap Jersey, Summerhouse. He talks about some BPR.

Enjoy. What's up, bros? We are here with a very special guest, Ryan Bailey, from So Bad It's Good, with Ryan Bailey, a fellow Cloud 10 iHeart podcast member. Ryan, what's up, man? How are you? I'm doing good, man. The universe will be exploding.

There's three straight dues on a podcast. Finally, men are going to get their say. We're finally having no idea. It's just so exciting. Thank you guys so much for having me. Yeah. For those of us that might be a little confused, we're not going to talk about sports.

We're going to talk about Bravo. That's the sad thing, is that I couldn't talk about sports. If I wanted to, that's where I differ from you. guys is that's why i mean like i think that's what sets you apart i feel like you guys are real men i feel like people uh people you know like i mean people are genuinely surprised like i know nothing about sports i have tons of guy friends that i'll watch sports with just to have camaraderie but then the pandemic happened and i just wiped that out entirely and now it's nonstop reality shows 24-7 yep i appreciate the honesty and i also appreciate the fact that you're willing to go and watch the

sports with your friends just for that camaraderie, but it sounds like that's gone by the way since the pandemic. So maybe, you know, you can watch sports with us. You can be a Phillies fan. You can be an Eagles fan. Listen, I'm, I'm, I'm for hire in terms of sports teams. I will, I'm, I'm a fair weather fan. I'll go any which direction. The only thing I have real opinions on are how's wives and these are my sports. That's what I always say. How my, how my guy friends will yell and scream about sports. I'll do the same thing about Vanderpump rules. and I'll do the ins and out and I'll be like, they need a ref on this play.

I do a lot of sports analogies for somebody that doesn't fully understand sports. That's great. We actually do the same thing. We draw a lot of parallels. I feel like there are a ton of similarities between sports and the Bravo world. Like all of these ladies,

they're looking for a contract next year. You got to perform. You got to put out numbers. You don't get asked back. Well, they're in the off season. They're training them. Sometimes they're training too much. Like you can tell these people are,

getting like they're talking heads in order and that's where i think like it's like it ceases to be reality especially for the housewives nowadays like it's just so structured i it's like between sports training and training to like audition for a saturday night live yeah yeah no steel and i talk about it all the time something like ultimate girls trip we call like an off season tournament going on there to see who's going to be able to come up to the big leagues and it helps us a lot because we refer to things as off season we refer to things as offseason tournaments getting ready and getting that next contract. We do it all the time.

And I'm sure our listeners are probably tired of hearing it, but it helps our dumb brains work it out. So, you know, we've actually gotten a lot of feedback from people that have been like, thank you guys for all the sports references. You make me sound really good in front of my husband because like, I think somebody was watching an Eagles game. It was in the playoffs and they dropped the line about one of the players. Like, oh, yeah, like Jalen Hurst needs to do X, Y, or Z. And her husband was like, what?

And she's like, mm-hmm. And she commented like, thank you guys. I looked really cool in front of my husband. No, I mean, the girls' trip is fascinating, though, because you're right. Like, you see then, you know, even like Brandy Glanville, you're like, oh, man, she took herself out for the season. Like, she's now unable to compete in any future housewives events because of whatever shook out with Caroline from Jersey. But you see these things and you're like, this is wild because now there's a whole ecosystem of these people that just depend on Bravo and a reality show paycheck. and it's so funny because it's like now people are just by design wanting to stay on these shows

and get to another show rather than just kind of live a life that they can potentially document for Bravo. Yeah. It's kind of like branched out to what you just said. They're grasping and clawing at any chance to get back on the screen. Ultimate Girlship, sure, Vanderpump, sure, whatever I got, whatever you got for me, I'm in. So I think the other interesting fact in reference to like the off season, social media, seemingly in the past like year or two with the housewife shows i think it really took shape with

like beverly hills last season the interaction between those on the show and the fans at home has been insane like they are way too clued into like they comment back like they they start with people that they don't even know like it's yes but that's the same as the NBA like i don't know if you follow the NBA, but NBA players have like burner accounts and they'll like clap back all the time. The ecosystem that all of this is created is really stunning because, you know, 16 or seven, 16 seasons ago when OC premiered, you know, we, that was the first, uh, they premiered on the first day that Twitter, uh, went live. But they, you know, Twitter didn't really take hold for like another couple of years. And now it's nowhere near what it is today. But they did not have to compete with

social media. It wasn't a part of the whole ecosystem like it is now. So it is like housewives on steroids now because you not only have the show, but you have the second show, which is all the social media, which now is more entertaining and more of the moment than sometimes the actual show is. And that's what's really scary to deal with because you're like, how is Bravo going to lasso this and try to control it somewhat? Because we know more information right now about everything happening in Vanderpump rules than we're going to see in tonight. episode we already know what we're potentially going to see plus we know 80 moves beyond that so how is bravo going to learn to not squash it but but capitalize and use it to their advantage and

i don't know sometimes i wonder if that ship is just sailed you can't put something back in the box once it's completely out yeah and i think that like obviously they had to come back with the vander pump specifically because we need to see that unfold on screen we can't just watch all the news reports we can't just watch all the social media interactions we need bravo to just pick up their fucking cameras go back and show us what happens show us the aftermath of all of this craziness they did they literally did finally like within a day they were like cameras up we've got like and and by the way part of me was like man maybe they should just go into season 11 immediately because every but then i'm like okay maybe leave a couple months for tom to go to whatever wellness resort he's

going to go to, you know, not mirror, I hear, by the way, breaking news for your podcast, it's Miravelle in the Berkshires. He is still at a Mirabell property, but. Oh, so he wasn't in Arizona. Well, he was going to be in Arizona and they did that and he switched it to the Berkshires. That is, well, I hate as a grown man. Do you guys hate as a grown man saying tea? I hate spilling tea. Yeah, we don't like that. Supposedly that is tea. I dropped that line, everyone. That never feels good coming out of my mouth. I feel like, what have I become? Like, what did this is so, I'm an older man. What is, what have I become?

Like, this is, this is a problem, become a product of my environment. But I think, yeah, we can all share in that, like, that we've all as straight dudes in this space. And, like, shoot and I have accepted fully, like, we're all in. We're excited for what's next. But there is that moment where you kind of look in the mirror and you go, this is my life now. I'm okay with it. I'm thrilled to be here. Like, we're very, very grateful that we have this opportunity.

But, like, my life, my whole entire life has been consumed by, Bravo and spilling fucking tea. No, I'm thrilled. Yeah, you're right. Like, I am so thrilled. But like I always say, like, if I told my younger self that the, you know, podcasts weren't exist, didn't exist when I was younger. Like, you know, the fact that I get to do this, like, I've always loved these shows even before there was even an idea of a podcast.

So it was always funny that it's like, holy crap, this is what I'm doing. Like, that thing that I dearly loved, that was my private, like, it wasn't like my ex and me getting into it together. It was like, I personally like these shows. and how funny is it that the thing that I love so much now I'm able to actually do as my full-time job and it's never lost on me but it is so confusing even my dad will be like wait what's going on like the I'll try to make him I'll try to make him watch a Vanderpump rules episode and you know he'll make he'll make some kind of interesting observations but

sometimes if I make him watch a housewife's episode he's like what did we do what did we do something wrong man was there like what it would happen like no he he he's amazing but it is funny because it is so bizarre do wait this is the question for you guys do you ever feel like interlopers sometimes because when i started i felt like all of my good friends were um gay men and women and just women in general and this was like this is their thing a lot of the times so i'm very aware of who i am in this space do you guys feel the same way sometimes because i'm always like i'm not i don't want to ever be the top of this i just want to be part of the conversation because I know sometimes I feel like an interlober.

Yeah, no, we definitely do. And we're always reminded of that through our comments because Steele and I will have a segment called Rose and Thorne where we'll go through the nicest comments that we get and the worst comments that we get. And the latter aspect of that is stay in your lane, straight guy. And they call us like cis head. By the way, I don't want to be a straight guy. This is not my choice.

Like I really like, dude, like I don't want to spread that around. I'm like, by the way, I know I'll get a comment from this. I'm like, wow, I didn't know you were straight. I still get those on a daily basis. I had somebody in my DMs, like the first year I was doing this, wanting to set me up with their son who was a gay man. I was like, I'm so sorry. Like, I'm not gay, but like, I'm flattered.

So, so much. Yeah. I mean, I was beyond flattered. Like nobody else was trying to set me up with anybody. Yeah. Now, but we wait, wait, wait, wait, way, by the way, really interesting choice to keep the mustache after scandal ball. I thought that, I thought you would shave it off.

I thought Howard Mandela. somebody actually we were on a live a week or two ago and they were talking about sandoval's mustache but it got lost in all the comments so all i saw was i can't believe he he has that mustache it's ridiculous and i thought they were talking about me and i got very offended yeah he got i had to look in the mirror back so hard maybe i do need to shave this thing or i just need to just weather the storm and get through it yeah to his credit he's been a stash guy for a long time so like sand of all arguably stole the stash from shooter but he has gotten a lot of shit for no i mean i love the thing about the clapbacks though because like sometimes if i read the

wrong comment on the wrong day and i don't even like i just assume it's negative i will go i've lately gone like i just have so much going on i'll go ballistic you know and then they'll be like i didn't even wait that wasn't even about that and i was like oh so sorry i'm so sorry i I just, because normal people aren't used to having this many opinions thrown at them. Right, right. You know what? Like, it's so interesting to get used. You never get used to that, I think.

I don't think so either. Like, we're still getting used to like all of the opinions and everything being thrown at us. Shooters usually, that's the funny thing about him kind of coming at that person. He's usually like the voice of reason. Like he's really calm. He never gets rattled. I'm the opposite. He'll text me sometimes because I'll get into like little battles on like Instagram or

TikTok or something. like someone will say something. I'll clap back, just sarcastically trying to be funny. Then they'll come back at me and then I get mad and I'll comment back. And now there's like five comments in a row. And then I get a text from you're like, dude, knock it off. I'm like, ah, shit, you're right, my bad. It's like, it really is.

I've just had to start and I never thought I would be this person. But I just now like I've started just blocking people because I'm like, I don't have the time to actually get into it the way I would want to get into it because I'm trying to understand all sides. But at the end of the day, I can only go by my own. opinion and what I feel and what these shows show me. And like, I think, you know, it's definitely, I definitely agree with my opinion a lot. So it's hard when people will just want to take that down. And I think that's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a product of what we're talking

about even with the housewives. We're a part of the social media circus that goes along with these shows. And it's such a great tool. But at the same time, it can be so, um, scary and annoying. And like it could really bring up wild emotions. Yeah, no, I agree. I think that, you know, you said it kind of perfectly earlier. We want to be part of it. We're not trying to take over. We're not trying to step on toes.

Like, this is just something that we both kind of fell into because of our significant others and then began to really enjoy it. So like our approach is always to be part of the conversation at our opinion, at our two cents or whatever, but not to instigate, not to like take over anything. We just, we enjoy it. It's fun. It's funny. so hearing you say that like we completely understand but let's get into it a little bit we

when we started this show we had no idea what the fuck we were doing and i came up with an idea forever ago called tagline freestyle and essentially i'm going to play the housewives music over my phone into the microphone because my soundboard is not working the right way you get to come up with your own tagline if you were on a housewife show okay so you can listen through once you get to listen through it once and then you got to come up with whatever you're going to come up with you want shooter to go first listening to the music or I'm listening to I'm just listening to the housewise music yeah it's just I got the instrumental and it's uh hold I'll pull it up right now I feel like a sound cloud rapper this is amazing you are you got to come

up the sound cloud rapper name too though so start working on that here you go here's the sound I've heard this I know, yeah Beverly Hill No shit All right, that's your preview Are you ready? You got it?

Yeah. All right, here we go. Yeah. In three, two, one. I've got a mouth for sin and a body for lounging. I guess. That's good.

Like Erica, Jane's Vegas residency, I'll be closed in three weeks. Too soon, too soon. That's incredible. That's a good one. All right. Shooter, are you up? Ready? Yep, hit it.

If you try to gaslight the gaslighter, you're going to end up on E. I should have went first because I can't compete. I got to turn down by thing, too. Uh, all right. Do do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, thank you. All right, here we go. I'm going to try. Oh, shit, I closed that of it.

Here we go. I might have played in the minor leagues, but I'm a big league shitster. Oh, you can't say shit. You can't curse on these things. I can't curse. Fuck. Oh, I did it again. Wait, why can you curse?

In the tagling on TV? Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean, this isn't, I mean, I think they can just bleep it out. in the moment. That's true. All right. One more time. Uh, they my name is Steele because I come with the hard facts.

Not bad. By the way, this is really what happens when three dudes get together and I mean, this is I could just, I can't like to do this shit. For an hour and a half. Yeah. We just spent time at like with our girlfriends and wives just hanging out and then just start talking

about all this shit as men do. All right. No, that was, I was always, I would go over to my guy events back in the day, and I would end up talking to their wives and girlfriends because they were always talking about the stuff that I actually knew stuff about. That's too funny. All right. Well, let's dive in a little bit.

Our main focus is going to be summer house in Jersey, but there is obviously a very large lightning bolt shaped elephant in this room. So we've all been going through it. Scandival has been going on for 16 years, I think, at this point. Yep. But where were you? How did you feel? And what was your reaction when the news broke?

Well, I mean, listen, it was a dark day. No, I was, I was rehab. I had the knee injury and I was at a rehab with a trainer trying to do like some knee exercises and work other parts of my body as everything's slowly falling apart as I get older. and I remember getting a push alert from TMZ, and I immediately didn't believe it. And I know, you know, I know them personally a little bit. And so I honestly, in fact, I was at Coachella with them last year with Ariana and she and all those people. So I knew that. So I just didn't believe it.

In fact, then I was like, oh, dude. And the trainer guy knows what I do. So he was like, oh, I get it. You know, and I got on. And I saw DJ James Kennedy had made an Instagram post immediately. pushing the TMZ thing. And I was so confused because I was like, dude, they have really done everything for DJ James Kennedy. They've always spoken highly of him, even in, in off camera, even in just personal conversations I've had. So I was like, why the effort are you doing this?

Like, wait, you know, and then, then I was told from other sources that like, oh, this actually is true. And it, I was, it takes a lot these days to shock me anymore in regards to this stuff. and I was, I was shocked. I would have told you you were, I would have, I would have said, I just did not see that. And for it to be Raquel, Rachel, Ratchet, whatever we're calling her, for it to be that and for it to be that long of a time. And that's the thing that still will reignite some kind of anger because I always say this. And this is like so weird.

But as a dude, I actually looked up to Tom Zandabal because I said, here's a dude that's not cheating on his lady. He's, you know, she lets him go out there and be, let his freak flag flag, be all weird and I'm like I'm weird I like to do the you know like I'm a weird dude like that to me I really envied him going out and doing things that everybody said was stupid but eventually he put so much passion in them that people were like okay I you know like the band started looking good to me I was like you know I don't like cover tunes like I was so I was personally kind of just I was really it really floored me I was like I went through such a range

of emotions for somebody that this has nothing to do with like all of us, but I think it also reignited a lot of passion and reality show and Bravo Lovers because we realize that this show really flies and reality shows really fly when real relationships are involved. I mean, even like Summerhouse with Daniel and Lindsay, you see that. When we have real relationships, and that's why Jersey sometimes doesn't work, because there's a lot of fake and phony stuff happening in relationships that don't really exist on the outside world, but this felt so real and true and such a betrayal that, I mean, that's why. I think we are still talking about it.

Yeah. That's really well put, honestly. And that's one of those things that like we all remember where we were when we got the news. And I took it a little differently. I was so numb to it when it popped off. And I'm like, what, what happened? Why? And then I just like went back to what I was doing.

And then I stopped and I'm like, holy shit. Like, what are the ramifications of this? Like, what are they going to do with all this information? How are they going to get back to it? Because I don't want to read this like I said earlier through the fucking headlines. I want to see it unfold in front of me. I don't want to have to have to. wait until bravo con for this that actually pop off so it is wild that that's kind of how it played

out and now we're just kind of seeing everything kind of grouped together and it's it's so funny because everybody's got opinions on the whole thing everybody says what they would have done or what they should have done and to see like a resort like miraval going after it like everybody's getting their peace at this everybody's wait listen it's so funny if you're going to use like influencer deals and stuff like that, expect everything around you then to use you as well. And then I call it the Vanderpump economy is that now it's like the thriller video where we're seeing zombies from Vanderpump, you know, coming out to dance with Michael because, you know, it's like, you know, we have Jacks, we have Doty, we have everybody coming back in.

Billy Lee got a little spotlight this week, you know, so all of these people are coming out of the woodworks. And what I think is fascinating, none of these people, it's not shame, but none of these people have the foresight to let go like, oh, my God, we've done very similar things. And, you know, like, Jack's, I mean, the only thing I want to hear from Jacks is, as a fellow cheater, this is how I think he's handled this way. You know, like, as somebody that's cheated a lot in my day, but he never does that. And that's what I would love to hear of like, listen, I have a similar mindset or I had at one point about women.

And this is what I would do in my lion's situation. Like, I think he really does have such a story to tell if he would actually tell. the truth. It's a good point. I actually completely agree. We've, we've gone after Lala quite a bit in the past few weeks just because of all the hypocrisy I've been seeing and the mean girl shit. And like, in retrospect, yeah, she was given to Rachel who had done this horrible thing, but she didn't know about any of this shit at the time. No, she lucked out. She lucked out by design. Like if like I always say, if like we were watching this, none of this happened and we just watched this season, Lala would not have had a good.

season la la is like that's why it's like some of these people should be kissing sandoval's balls because like they actually are able to make t-shirt money off of it they're able to actually make their own storylines kind of seem fascinating they're booked by all of these sponsors now people want a piece of them and they had two seasons where that was not the case everybody had written vanderpump rules off i mean i was the only one that was like not the only one i was one of the only people that were like i'm going down with this ship i'll watch it till the bitter in but i did was very aware that i thought the end was coming and And this now has reignited the show in such a way that people are like going back and watching the show for the first time.

And that's, I love that as a Bravo fan of like, see, it's pretty good stuff, right? This is really good stuff to talk about. Not to mention all the other people that haven't watched BPR in the past that are like, I got to know what's going on. Like this was such big news in the entertainment industry, not even just Bravo, that you have people who never watched any Bravo show before. Like, can you give me the tea, if you will, steal on what's going on with Sandoval? like who the fuck are you like i know that you don't watch any bravo but you know what's going on and they'll go back and start to watch it and it's like well the the famous people all the sudden acting like they care or they'll you know like i love the other podcasters and creators like i've

never watched uh vanderpump but i need some heat i need to get into this you know and it's like fucking howie mandel yeah yeah howie vandell see this is okay okay as fellow men this is what i hate about men and i hate to like bash men but it's like why can we never take the loss why can we never admit like you know what that was a pretty big moment for the howie mandel show i didn't realize it at the time but you know what now i really wish i had done a little research because i think i could have given a little pushback but still be loving like the fact that he stood up for a bad interview that was ill prepared it's like i know people that's all i need no i don't want to tune into somebody that just knows people and doesn't do any research i want somebody that respects the actual person that's

there enough to look at all sides of the story and and make it something bigger than just the Howie Mandel show. The minute that he said, who is she? Right guy. Yeah, the minute he said, who is she now? I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? Let the daughter do the full interview. But that's why San Deval did that.

That's exactly why he went on that show because he knew that he wasn't going to get pushed to a limit that he wasn't comfortable with. He probably did that over the reunion taping and obviously the last two weeks of filming. But he went to Howie Mandel because it's a safe space. And that's what he wanted to try to paint this picture for us that nobody fucking believes. But even with Sandeval, he till this day. he's like you know how dare mirabell do this to me you know like it's like once again you know what like you're just be quiet you've done something really bad like you know for for him to go on how he and go I don't know what the big deal is the big deal dude is you painted yourself in a certain light as a certain

type of male the anti jacks if you will and then you actually were the same if not worse because you were you know you had glee in having this affair you took her to st louis a bunch of times to meet your friend like you did this all under her nose And you actually went into therapy already knowing you did not want to be in that relationship. So you literally did a more elaborate crank on Ariana, which she actually was keen to and you assured her no. And that's just not how therapy works. So you went in and you use mental health against her and against yourself because, and she was like, oh, she turned amazing in therapy.

What a beautiful girl. I already knew I didn't want to be with her, though. You know, it's like, that's ridiculous. And I don't know what therapist would have. But why can't you take, why can't you take responsibility? responsibility. And I don't know why men in general, we can't take responsibility for when we mess up because we do. We mess up a lot. And that's okay. We're human. But that part I agree with. But the eight months keeping this going, that is bigger than just a oops. Well, we're better off

now. Like that's what pissed me off with the whole thing is like and comparing him to Jacks, right? The anti-jacks, if you will. This is way worse because for all of Jacks's flaws, for all of his missteps and everything he at least owned it like he knew that he was jacks tail he would try to defend himself he'd get caught and it's like nah that's jacks and like he comes on now and he's talking about he's like yeah i was the villain that's who i was and like is he still that guy probably in there somewhere but with the sand of all thing and we talked about it last week on our podcast it's like in this interview in this interview with howie mandel you have one thing and one thing only to say i fucked up i'm a piece of shit i need to look in the

the mirror and figure out my life. I don't know how my mind works sometimes. I don't know. Just be honest about that. But instead, he goes, I was worried that she was going to hurt herself. Like, you don't throw out her dirty laundry on the air like that because now you're painting a picture that Ariana is possibly going to do self harm because you're leaving this relationship and you're not giving her the grace to like go out of this on her own terms.

You don't get to dictate how she feels or what she's going through or how her emotions affected this decision you were making you've fucked up you've been in an affair for eight months whether you're trying to end it amicably or not is fucking irrelevant but to also not have the foresight of going you know what i'm going to do it this way because this way that he chose to do it would really cause irreparably more harm than her self-harming like you know what i did because i was scared you would harm herself i fucked her even harder you know like i really try to really screw with her mind And like, that really is where it gets darker and darker. So the Howie, like, I don't know what the big deal is.

Well, Howie, the big deal is this dude was so dark in his betrayal of this nine-year relationship. And that's, I mean, that to me is what keeps us coming back for more on top of just people being completely hypocritical like DJ James Kennedy. It's like two people can be bad at once, folks. You know, DJ Jim Kennedy's fun. He's a great villain for, you know, if Jacks isn't there. but he's also a wild like i don't i want him on the show i want him on that team but it is wild that

there is really doesn't seem to be a lot of good guys in this situation now and it just highlights like when you said jack's calling himself a villain it's like even that was always funny to me because i always thought like well jacks probably heard somebody say a show needs a villain he's like that's it that'll be that guy yeah for sure really thinks of himself as a villain i think jacks is like you know here's the deal i played the villain it's not the real me when And in the closer to reality, I think that was the real him. He just found a way to be able to kind of explain it to make himself not actually admit potentially who he really is as a person.

You'll hide under the reality is a reality until somebody does something bad. And then they're all of a sudden like, it's a TV show. You got to remember it's a TV show. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like we're doing, it's a TV show. That's the big excuse everybody goes to. Sorry, you guys. I just got like really high.

No. No, no. we talk about i get really hyper this is why we're here man this is the whole point we wanted to get you know your take on it and um i thought you meant in the world i was like wait you think god like we're here to do this is like this is why we're higher calling yeah yeah that is a higher calling this is our purpose in life now i don't know how the fuck we got here but here we are but um let's move on because we could probably talk about vander pump for the rest of the show but house and this was shooter's baby shooter loved summer house it was his like original favorite show

um so i want to hear your take and i'm sure he's going to chime in as well with like the state of summer house before we dive into this week like how do you feel about this season specifically i mean the state of the union with summer house is that it is not good now i do something this week and the week prior we've started to see some really nice signs but we're at a real crossroads in the show when you know you have the newbies coming in with sam gabby and and chris poor chris um you have these new people coming in but they're unfortunately coming in at a time where they're watching some wild behavior with everybody coming at lindsay in this really bizarre way i really like kyle a lot and i really like amanda but it is interesting how it's all just lindsay so

these new people are literally slackjod most of the time because that's that's everything the show is about it should be called Lindsay House. And to me, it is like Jersey in a way of like, yeah, okay, another thing with Teresa and Joey. Got it. Okay, I've done. You know, like, you're like, I'm so, I'm so tired of this. And we saw it again in this week's episode. But it is fascinating because these are real relationships. The Kyle Carl relationship is very real. The Danielle Lindsay relationship is very real. So it is interesting. It's like at war with itself because we finally had a really good rager party and i'm a man of simple taste i like to get i like to see people get shit canned and fall into a pool i love it like but i don't don't give me a studio 50 forest party

where three people are there and they're like that makes me sad it makes me think how my life is sad this is sad everything's sad but if you show me a rager kiles ripping off his thing and showing us his little dong with a cowboy hat like i'm all in no it's his little woody get it because it was a woody it was a woody hat like from woody and toy stories like his little Woody. Oh, is that what he's going with? Yeah, you didn't get that. Well, you obviously really thought about it. I didn't really. I paused it so I could stare at it for like an extended period of time. And then I drew a picture with pencil. I said drop the link on the little dong hat. I need one. And he said you can get at a party city, everybody out there listening. But no, it got better this

week, but I think it's so dark because I was already initially worried about Carl and Lindsay coming into the summer house because I think Carl's in this really interesting. place with his sobriety where, you know, he's finding out really who he is still without these things. And I would imagine I've not gone through this myself, but I imagine there's a real wild readjustment to life where it probably feels like you're in cement a lot of the times of like, how do I have fun? How do I laugh? How do I act around booze? How do I act around pressured situations? On top of, it's seemingly obvious that Carl might not be really good at his job with lover boy, but the fact of Kyle, the boss, saying that he potentially had a

drug problem on television is insane to me. And I just am very confused, once again, with the hypocriticalness of Kyle being like, oh, dude, this episode is like, man, I really love to see you and Lindsay together. I'm like, you have an all season. You've literally went out of your way to say, when real dicks and real bitches get, you know, like he all, like, it's always Kyle freaking out about that relationship or Paige or Amanda. And so it's wild then when, you know, Kyle's like, I really like you guys together. I'm like,

it does not seem like that. I don't, I feel like we're missing a piece on Summerhouse. I feel like we don't see something of why everybody, like, Lindsay's intense and all of that stuff, but I don't see why the fervor of the dislike. And also, yeah, like they've been together 10 months. They've known each other for many years, Carl and Lindsay. I understand being scared of somebody paying $13,000 per month for an apartment. It was very scary to hear. But other than that, mind your business. Like everybody, like, if anything, we should be focused on Paige and Craig's relationship

for the love of God. Page does not seem like she really wants to move forward with Craig. And that, if anybody questions Paige about anything, she defaults to tears. But Lindsay has to take slings and arrows every week. Okay. And we're still not satisfied with that either. That's the worst part is we still want, it's the people that go against Lindsay all the time. They still want more.

They feel like she's not being genuine in any moment. And we got a real genuine moment when she sat down to lunch with Amanda and she actually showed emotion and Amanda was just completely shell shocked. Like, what do I do here? Like, I don't know what to do. Kyle's not here to tell me what to do. What am I supposed to like? It was brutal to watch.

But we got to talk to Carl a couple of weeks ago just because I fired off a tweet about how shitty summer houses this year and Carl took a little bit of offense to it. There was definitely a little snarkiness in there. But he said, I'd love to come on your podcast to discuss it. And he came on. we didn't leave the interview thinking like all right you know summer house is back we're going to be okay we're thinking about this differently we told him fair and square like dude if this continues and they're continuing to attack your girlfriend your fiance and there's nothing else going on and

these newbies can't really kind of get into the mix because they don't know what to do with these 40 year old people all screaming at each other then the show's going to die and lo and behold we at least get like one or two parties out there and we get to see thank god like cori comes back who actually I never thought in a million years and I'd be like, thank God, Corey Kiefer. Like, I never got in a million. Like, and by the way, it has been a refreshing change of pace, somebody that actually wants to be there, somebody that, and I'm all for Sam and Corey, because, and this is what I said this week. I was like, here's the deal. Like, great.

They seem like I love how Sam was describing Corey, you know, lets all those wild parts of her like thrive. And I think that's amazing. But at the same time, if you got, if anybody's paying attention to Bravo right now, This is a relationship to invest in because if you have not noticed, men cheat on Bravo. So I hate to say it, eventually somewhere down the line, Corey's going to get caught in something. And if they're on a TV show, that is going to mean like that is like so, yeah, man, invest in this relationship, Bravo. I think it's very exciting. If it works, amazing.

If it doesn't work, really good for the show. See, I'm always the optimist. I always want things to be how they appear. Like, I'm always like, come on. Like, I'm rooting so hard for Corey and Sam because I thought, I like Sam. I think she's good for the show. I think that, yeah, she's had a really good season. Even when the episodes were boring as shit, I still saw potential in her.

I was like, okay, I like her. I like Gabby. She drives me insane, especially with the astrology shit. But she's a great character. She's a great character. She's way out there, yeah. With the Sam and Corey thing, when I see that, having to hear Maya take it upon herself to check Sam about her talking too much was so inappropriate and made me so sad and then to watch her

reaction and then like Maya has no clue like you can't meet somebody and tell them that because you don't know what they're dealing with Sam has been insecure about this her entire life and the first time you meet her you take it upon yourself to tell her that hey you're talking too much so especially after the season she had the first season thank you she had such issues and Sierra that beautiful conversation they all had as a group but until then Maya was having a really rough time. And I think I taught I did an interview with Sam where I told her, I was like, dude, that, that moment really broke my heart. And Sam stood up for Maya and said, listen, that is the only room in the house that there are not cameras there. She was doing this to try

to do it away from things. But I'm like, why did she do it at all? Yeah. Why does she feel to somebody don't step over that line? Yeah. And like that, that's why it would have floored anybody. Anybody that if you hit the nail on the head about what you're insecure about and a stranger tells you're going to be like, fuck, like I'm really bad. So to hear her say, Corey likes me for all of my craziness, for being outgoing, for being loud, for being kind of nuts. And he's kind of reciprocating. Like he's matching her energy. I was so happy. I was like, thank God. She deserves that. You deserve to find somebody that can keep up with you. That's not like knocking you down because you're talking too much. Like you see their date clips. They're fucking wild. They're doing shots. They're dry

humping on a chair. They took a picture every minute of their date. There was like 30 foreroids. I mean, they seem to be on the same level. And I'm totally all for that relationship. It's really exciting to think about the prospect of them actually dating for some reason. And that's kind of what we need to run to are things that actually kind of excite us. But I'm sorry, after Ariana and Tom, I'm done believing that everything's hunky dory with any relationship. Like I'm glad you were still at the place where you want to believe in things. I don't believe in anything anymore. Like I do not trust. any of these people everybody is potentially horrible and we're just going to leave it at that

until until we're proven otherwise that's probably the safer way to go that's a fair assessment but also the carl interview that would like did he because that's the other thing i was wondering with carl now because it you know when watching the show back himself i just wonder like he can't even really enjoy watching the show and i wonder where he thinks besides financially what he has to offer this show with his relationship because Carl is one of my favorite people. He's one of the only Bravo people that I think has actually shown us that people can change and that people can work hard and he has put that work in. But sometimes putting that work in might not be the most exciting thing on a television show,

especially in the first couple of years of your sobriety. So I do wonder where Carl sees himself in the hierarchy of all of this because, you know, I truly like him and not being on a reality show doesn't mean you're not a great person because Carl will remain an amazing person no matter what. Did he ever say where he sees this show going? Yeah. Do you want to take it still? Yeah.

So he said multiple times there's still meat on this bone. There's still stuff to look forward to. He kind of laid out the parties. So we knew what to expect in like the weeks coming. He was like there's a big rager coming up. There's a fight between me and Lindsay. he's leaning on the fact that there's more there with his relationship with Lindsay and that we all need to kind of just give a time to develop is kind of what he was pointing

his energy towards I guess so I like it's like she hits me you guys she hits it's really it's so entertaining but I do think like what we saw this week and what we've seen a few times in the past couple of weeks if they try maybe shift right like I enjoy watching their life in the city. That was actually entertaining to me. I don't mind watching them kind of bop around New York. It seems like the party scene in the Hamptons is kind of dying out. So if you need to kind of pivot and show us their lives like week to week, maybe that's a direction you could go in. But it's hard to say, especially, you know, I'm five years, almost five years sober myself. So we talked about that a lot. And with that journey and Carl talked about it a lot, too,

it's ever evolving ever changing like each year is different with what you're comfortable with what you're not comfortable with just kind of it's a learning process you kind of find yourself again and it's going to be interesting to see just how the show affects that sobriety like is it going to be a comfortable place for him and if it's not like it it's well within his right to pull out and be like look it's not right for me same thing and I hope he would do that and not just for the paycheck stay there because he does have it like I will say when they said $13,000 a month apartment, I was like, I literally went to my calculator. I was like 13 times 12. I was like, holy crap, because I don't ever want him to be

stuck in that because I think his sobriety is so important to him. And I like, by the way, he was that guy that a couple seasons ago when he was like, every day, you got to start, you got to make your bed. And I was like, make bed. Like I made that's my thing too. I was like, got to. He goes, drink water. And I was like, drink water. I remember like, this is like, I have a to do list every day. and those two are on there and those are the Carl Radke method. But I really root for him. And I think like sometimes I see how unhealthy this is and that if he's so still, I mean, he's a couple of years potentially under his belt with sobriety.

But, you know, that still must be a really rocky thing when you're putting yourself directly in the eye of the tornado. And that tornado is Kyle Cook just getting shithoused every weekend, which I love to see. But I also love Carl sobriety. But like, yeah, I love that scene of the house. in New York, but like in the city, if you're going to do that, do things like that because the scenes in the city usually are just like, let's play tennis indoors. And I never know why it's happening. I like, they'll show us like 30 seconds. And I'm like, I don't, I believe, I trust that

you work in the city. I don't need to see. Like, Chris is taking a photograph on a step. Yeah. I don't need to say this. I love Chris. I have a weird thing. I think he's entertaining. Chris is, Chris is, Chris is just dad jokes. He's just dad jokes and pouring liquor down women's mouths at a at parties like you always need one but the guy speaks in just dad jokes and I I want to know more like he's like I wanted Alex to stay I didn't even mind Alex from last season like he like grilled you know ground turkey great but like give him two seasons at least to kind of see I want to know what the casting directors saw on him that the show was not able to convey and I think Chris is suffering a similar fate in a lot of

ways because I'm like, well, why are we not being shown more about Chris's life? Yeah. What are we or, and also that the idea I always talk about is that people can pop in real life and be just like so amazing in real life. And then you put them on a camera and all of a sudden they lose that thing that makes them so magical in their real life. But it doesn't, it doesn't mean anything. It's not bad or good.

It's just some people just really pop on camera. Yeah, no, that's true. And I think that with regards to the show, there's two different things going on here. one bravo producers can't get out of their own way they need a changing of the old guard you can't have like carl was pretty realistic about himself and he even said you know if it gets too much for me obviously i'm going to do what's best for myself if the show is going in that direction i'll have to part ways like he was realistic about that he was still selling us on the show so you know that doesn't get lost on us either but he tried to get you to invest in the show he's like a time share he's like if you guys can spend fifty thousand dollars of your own money i promised that we will no no it worked we invested 75 thousand dollars and uh we have seen zero returns we've actually louis also kicked in 250 000 he's out 250,000 he sent a i would like to make you a part of rue la la la yeah but between that and like the producers trying to figure out what the hell to do so they throw this martha's vineyard thing at us and like maybe that'll be somewhat good because we don't know anybody there and then the other

part the other part of it is the hamptons are cutting down on big parties they're cutting down on filming at bars. So we even said, why don't you guys just go somewhere else? Go to Montauk. Go to the Jersey Shore. Go somewhere else where everything's a little more free and you can have huge ragers all the time because let's be honest, when it comes to Summerhouse, 80% of the time we want to watch you guys have a huge party. The other 20% we want a little bit more fun and maybe a little bit of drama mixing up. We just don't want the same bullshit of you guys attacking Lindsay all the time and then having these sad parties with like 15 people that ends up at like 1130 p.m. and Kyle's drunk a shit by himself in the kitchen eating cookies at 1 a.m.

Then just make it that. I would, I will, I will watch a one man Kyle show. Like, I love when he eats cookie dough by himself. By the way, cheat on your diets. Don't cheat on Amanda. That's like, I do that. Let's move a little bit further. I just want to talk about two more things. And then we can move on to Jersey. But Danielle, let's discuss Daniel, because I have not enjoyed her once this season. I cannot understand for the life of me, this approach that she's taking with Lindsay. I don't get it. The only thing that makes sense to me is she's just simply projecting all of her own insecurities about her relationship with Robert onto them. Because if you really break it down, she's like, you guys are moving so fast. And isn't that

you moved in with Robert after two months? Second, they're not really moving that fast. That's why I get so confused. They've known each other for what, eight years and they've been very close during those years like it's not like they were acquaintances they were very very tight when carl's brother passed away the first person he talked to was lindsay like that's deep they have a deep connection so eight months to move in is not crazy to get engaged after 10 months is also not crazy because you're not you're not tying into the fact that they've known each other for this long it's not really a new relationship it's just a different type of relationship so my whole take on i can't stand how she's going about it i think it's all projection and i think she's

she's having a horrible season. What's your take? She's my favorite character on Bravo, right? No, no, no, no. So we're going to end the interview. It's been nice. No, listen, we as the Bravo audience gassed her up for so many seasons of like, what an amazing friend. Because initially, she was, you know, they kept her on the show, I think, for a couple of seasons, just to have somebody for Lindsay to bounce off of because everybody still, seasons ago was against Lindsay. So they had to have her have a friend. Now, we all said, like, man, I would like a friend like Danielle. She does seem like an amazing friend. I was one of those

people. I really empathize with Danielle in certain ways. And I think there's a little bit of what potentially is going on with Carl learning how to be a person again without alcohol or drugs. But the same thing with Danielle is she's learning to not be the person taking the backseat. And she's bad at it. She's bad at it. She's clumsy. She doesn't do it right. She's like, ah, you know, it's that person where Lindsay is the person that's always been in the driver's seat that's always been the established roles and when you try to move past that in your 30s with such an established relationship it is bound to feel so weird so awkward like you're moving in cement and then on top of that she has a relationship that she has grown to expect nothing from this man and she still is

okay with it she expects nothing but she sees this other relationship with two of her best friends and all they want to do is hang out. And she used to be one of those people that would hang out with them. So it's glaringly obvious because she doesn't get to hang out with her own boyfriend and the people she used to hang out with

are like bump and uglies together now sexually on top of being friends. And that must be really incredibly infuriating and she doesn't even realize, I don't think she even realizes it, you know, this is deep subconsciously what she's upset about. And then the mass, the horrible part of all of that,

it's a perfect storm because it comes at a time where Paige and Amanda and all of these people just talk mad shit about Lindsay. So if you have this person already confused about her place and a friendship and you're finally, after many seasons of hearing it, you're finally starting to clearly hear it of like, you know, Paige of like, have you been, you know, has she ever been that good of a friend of you? All of these things must be bouncing around in her mind. And Lindsay is like, dude, I'm not doing anything different than I've ever done before. You know, like I'm not doing anything different. Do I think Lindsay could have been a little more less intense on the balcony at her apartment? Sure. I'm like, why are we doing this? Like, let's just enjoy the houseworms,

but at that point, like, I would be fucking fed up. And I'm like, we squash this and like, now you have an attitude again. Like, I would think I would have taken the same approach as Lindsay. It doesn't make sense to me that she's like, if you are in fact a best friend, if you are both of their best friends, then you should understand and be happy for them. You can have an opinion as a friend. you can obviously say like, hey, maybe this is too quick. Once they give you a rebuttal, hey, we're good. We're moving forward. You no longer need to chime in.

You need to back the fuck off. Yeah, I think that Danielle just has a hard time taking that responsibility to because she says some wild shit. And then when Lindsay goes, why would you even think like that? She goes, I don't, I don't see anything wrong with what I'm talking about. Like, I'm your best friend. I'm allowed to tell you this. Your best friend's supposed to tell you if you're moving too fast.

It's like, no, you're not. like that's not you're supposed to trust your best friend to make the right decision and then be there for them if they realize they made the wrong decision like she has it so twisted and she feels like she's right all the time it's just it's just tough to watch and i feel like it's one of those things that bravo does that it's just dragging on for a little too long at this point well but lindsay also has that thing where it's like the joe pesci goodfellows of like you know lindsay's like funny how how do you find me funny so like even in this situation of in this situation she's like

you know she'll just point blank ask it why don't you like me and car why and i'm like no we just drop it like so i feel like there's like ego on both sides i feel lindsay is definitely has the most um you know has the most has something to stand on really she's really kind of right i don't understand what's happening but it is funny how even in knowing that lindsie is right she knows it herself she wants daniel to say it it's like relent say it say it and even Carl at the end, though, I thought it was disgusting that, like, I hated that Danielle, like, screamed when she said she, like, picking out a pillow. I was like, dude, you're like a baby now? Like, this is wild. Why are you turning into this person when you've always been so down and cool? And I'm all for Lindsay asking her how her day was more and like she did that, you know, but it's really bummer to watch. And I, I obviously, I think this is an example where so many bad things have now been said on this show and in interviews. that it's going to be very hard to come back from at this point, I think.

Yeah, no, I agree. And I think we can buy a bow on Summer House with that. And let's move on to Jersey. Kind of a similar approach. What do you think about this season thus far? It's like one of the, it's one of those, you know, you come back from a school break and you get to see all your friends that you like and what new clothes they're wearing and new haircuts and then you know you find out some of those friends immediately go into the crap that

you hated about him last year and you're like oh you're still hung up on that and that's where I feel like we're at like it's you know like oh yeah you're still an asshole yeah like I find myself dazing off like this is like it's like Israel Palestine and like I'm like it doesn't seem like guys you know Melissa I feel like she said even last night of like I'm done I'm just giving up on this I just get like you I feel like we've I feel like I'm going crazy I feel like I've heard this like eight years in a row and like I feel like at some point Bravo just needs to be like no we actually are done with this and there's just it is you're like we were talking about summer house in terms of like age and partying and something like that is that you know this show is

being held hostage by Melissa and Teresa and Joey and it is being held hostage completely so you have like even a couple of newbies that I actually like and we I'm so tired of this show like I mean there's good moments like it's fun to watch him like chug Guinness and stuff like that yeah that was a good episode to get right back no but to get right back into the same BS and then you're like Antonia Antonia wasn't you know I'm like I don't give a rip like I honestly don't care anymore and I hate to sound harsh but it is I'm feeling like I'm watching the same scene in different locations again and again and again and I've got it at this point I get it like

I get it. I get what's going on. I don't care. I don't want you to make up. I don't care. I don't want anything to like, Teresa, I hope you're happy with Louis. He seems like an interesting guy. And let's move on. Let's, I mean, there's other fascinating people in Jersey. And thank you for your service. Yeah, no, I think that you make a lot of good points. I mean, that's pretty much how everybody feels. But I mean, specifically with like Teresa and like the newbies in this, the newbies have been a little bit better than, you know, we talked about the newbies. summer house. The newbies in this have at least come in to play and kind of marked the territory and come back in the sand, whatever. But at the end of the day, when you look at the bigger picture, they're just adding more players to the existing teams. So there's nobody like

no new storyline with these new people. There's no new thing. It's just the same shit over and over and over again. And we'd be okay. If they could just come to terms with the fact that they will not be friends anymore or will not be family anymore. We'll be okay with that Teresa and Joe. Like we've said that a thousand times. We just need a resolution, even if that resolution is, I don't want to be involved with you anymore. Done. Good. Great. We're done. We could fucking move on. Instead, they just want to harp on it. And I want to know what your perspective is on this because do you think that it's just the Gorgas stoking this fire? Or do you think that Teresa is just as culpable? At this point, I think they're both culpable and they have

been at, you know, individual times. At this point, I even get confused. And that's where like it kicks in that I actually now realize I don't care anymore. At this point, I just don't care. And what's really going to happen here is that unfortunately bravo is going to have to make a real tough decision and they're going to have to release some people and i think those people are going to be joey and melissa now i don't like i like joey and melissa i i find joey hysterical i think he's one he's one of my favorite housewives um but i i think that i think that it's like if if this show is going to be so held down by this they need to remove it because they don't seem to be adults enough to remove it themselves and also with teresa she is

is a legend, but you, it's like, you know, there is, I always say it's like, you know, the synapses in the brain are not firing like a normal person's are. So you can't argue with her. You know, she doesn't take in things the way a normal person would. And I'm like, this is a legend, but you can't have a real argument or conversation with her because it seems like sometimes her mind just like shoots to a different direction. She sees red. and you're not going to have a thought-out conversation. And I think that's part of the reason why she is such a star, but it is unfair then to have these storylines revolving around emotions and things like that

when I've seen the same emotion out of Teresa from season one and onwards. It's like what I've talked about it a little bit in our previous episodes. I think what we see between both families, all right, the Louis-terisas and the Gorgas, they're all so prideful that like they will not just bite the bullet and somebody just bend the need of the other one like they can squash the shit so easily like go to the wedding shut the fuck up move on smooth it over if you really want to be family again then someone has to give but neither one will because that's admitting defeat over this decade long shit show that we've been party to i don't think we're ever going to have teresa or joe or melissa be comfortable

enough to be like, you know what, I'll go to the wedding or you know what? You guys are right. Like, let's just fucking squash this and like the family and just move the fuck on. Like, it's just not going to happen. Yeah, they have to get out of the room so that we can just take on a new storyline. Like, that's the only way that this shows gets, that it stays around and we don't have to make major cuts. Just get the fuck out of the way so that other people can get some spotlight. Like, oddly enough, and I never thought that I'd say this, but Jen Aden has finally stepped up and she's got a compelling storyline with family and going after Marge and all this shit.

But the March stuff is just a byproduct of what Teresa is doing with Marge. And the family stuff isn't as captivating because Bill's not as captivating. He just doesn't fucking say a word. So there's nothing going on there. It's just like they have nothing to play with. So they're just like redoing this old record over and over. And we're tired of it. What do you think?

Go ahead. I just think the characters, it also does a disservice to those other characters like you said of like Jen Aiden sometimes, you know, since she is such a Teresa. sycophant she you know her own storyline sometimes gets muted because it gets clouded in the noise from the teresa joey melissa stuff so we don't really ever get to like you're right all of those things about jen which by the way you were reminding me of i'm like yes she does have these kind of all the building blocks but i think being like you know calling up sides like at some jersey

civil war you know is really um destructive to the overall product and to use another sports analogy you know at some point they're going like beverly hills you're going to have to have a rebuilding season it might not be fun to watch but for the overall health of the show if you want this to keep going five years six years seven years at some point you're going to have to let renna go at some point you're going to have to let these people go because there are i trust me there are amazing women out there ready to rock like we just need to invest in those women and kind of let them shine like last night they had that one argument between daniel and and um uh rachel what's that yeah rachel sorry i was like tiny nose tight i call her i call her

we just fooda just food yeah no but it's like they're ready to rock man they're ready to rock and you saw at the table you saw like dolores and all that kind of just like what is this like they weren't jumping in it was just these two newbies going at it and going at it really very entertaining really wonderful they both held their own but it was the old school of jersey it like it reminded me like when she stands up and she's yelling across the table and like fooda takes it from like a five and turns that shit up to 11 and I'm like oh my god this is like let's rewind five years like that's Teresa like like I love that like scanning around the Irish bar the Irish restaurant to see their reactions like what the fuck is going on over there yeah I love that

like that's great when it's not you know Teresa flipping out about something that Joe did when it's something else and something new and it has nothing to do with them that's great. Like, that's what we want to watch. So let them flourish and get the hell out of the way. I will say, though, the Jersey, so the Jersey fans and anybody, you guys, if you're on Jersey, like on Twitter or anything like that, you know, the people that are like really hardcore Jersey fans and Teresa and Melissa fans, it's like, they're like looking at us with Vanderpump rules and going like, pussies. We've been dealing with this for years because you want to see some really hardcore negativity get into the Jersey fan base. Yeah. Because it is like, it scares me. Like it is, I will even

and be like, this isn't even, like, I'll try to make like just like silly memes and jokes and stuff and like sometimes they'll be cutting. But people on like Jersey, they'll be like, I'm going to straight up murder you. And I'm like, this is insane. Like, we can't even agree as a Bravo audience that this is just past its expiration date. But we always have these amazing seasons with them that we can watch anytime we want on Peacock. But like overall, I always want to think about the overall health of the show. And I never want one housewife or house husband or whatever, to be bigger than the show. I want always the show to be the thing.

And then right now, or something four people that think they're bigger than the show. Yeah. Like go back to the show. It's the real housewives of New Jersey or the real housewives of Salt Lake City. That's where all this magic stems from. But you're then doing yourself a disservice and not even leaving room for the possibility that there's like really amazing women out there that we have not met that are going

to be in like amazing situations that are going to be like they're ready to rock. and we don't know anything about them. How fun will that be for us to get to know new characters and new interactions with old characters that are still willing to play on the field? Oh my God. I'm doing way too many sports things. I was trying to impress you.

We love it. It's like when you put on a boxing glove and you like do things with it. It's like, when you kick a touchdown and like, throw a home run, like it's awesome. But the last thing, Jersey centric. and then we got some questions from the audience that we're going to run through.

Louis, all right. We went at the approach this season of giving Louis some grace to see he's claiming making changes. He's, yeah, some grace. So like he's claiming, he's changing, he's claiming that he's bettering himself, X, Y, and Z. We wanted to see it play out before we jumped to any judgment. Now, a video was just released, and we found out who that video was sent to what that

video is about. we got kind of the inside scoop on it but your thought you're I want to get the rule out the rule la la la yeah yeah a lot when I sit out here and put a rule la like I mean I worry about that dude like that is that he he makes some of the most interesting solo videos or like videos with like because the other one in the the summer like remember the beach one when he was like with all the the his like men the warriors oh the warrior warrior the warriors he's like I would like to come home to you and marry you and they're like say it say it say it softer because i love you i love you so and like he just looks like he's come from the face of the sun and everybody's like it looks like

the warriors like it's the scariest video i've ever seen but i like him he's great for tv you just got to try to like contain it as little as possible so that he doesn't go too crazy but it's like we talk about it all the time with joey joey could just take a step back and be like look at this fucking guy like he's nuts like let's let's let's just let But Joe, he has his own issues, so he can't do that. Like, he can't just step back. Step back and let Louis bury himself and he will. These videos keep coming up.

That video was sent. He's saying the same shit in that video. Yeah. So he's saying the same shit in that video that we're seeing him say to Teresa, but he's allegedly changed. And this is him bettering himself. That's why he's in touch with his emotions. We get a clip of this.

This was to his ex-fiancee, Vanessa. That's who this video was sent to. And so we see him saying the same exact shit to her. her that he's saying now to Teresa but allegedly he's changed so it doesn't make any sense well so i've had Vanessa on my show and i loved Vanessa i thought she and and what i it's a very interesting thing and i know you primarily have a female audience and so do so do i and i sometimes ask the audience um you know like i don't understand sometimes certain aspects of uh femininity femininity and female relationships but we always say to believe women but at the same time in this case we're

supposed to think that all of these women that have things spoken out against Louis are just liars. Like I don't understand, you know, when people are actually telling their stories, but no, believe women, but all of these women complete liars. And I'm not saying all women just tell the truth, like, you know, like all of that. But there is a point where it's interesting when I'm like, they are sharing their experiences. And like you said, Louis will eventually potentially hang himself his own way if we just let him go. But there is something to this. You can't have that many people say a very similar story about certain person's behavior and just have it all just be just like coincidence.

And we saw it, Melissa Gorga. Melissa Gorga said this. And one of the things that I was like, wow, Melissa, that's actually right on was at one of the, whose party was it? It was like one of the shore parties that Teresa and Lou. Food, yeah. Yeah, which was a sterile party. But it was the one where Louis was like, I wear your grandpa's, I wear your.

dad's PJs at night, which, which by the way, how dare you, Bravo, how dare you release that in a preview? And then they say it and Joey looks confused and then they just move on. I'm like, no, I want a full hour of the PJ comment. I want to. If that doesn't come back for the reunion, I'm going to be livid. Well, like, I want to see him in the PJs. We can only talk about what we see. Yeah, I want to see what kind of PJs these are. Like, but Melissa says, she said something in that episode where she says, uh, Louis really has this mask up where he's like, like Teresa, listen to her. Teresa, listen to her.

You know, he's like, Teresa whisperer. He's like Teresa whispering and really, Teresa does listen to him. But then Melissa said something, but then you can see the mass fall off. And you can see how angry he really is and how it's confused and potentially scared. And I think that's where that's exactly what it is, is that Louis is potentially playing the man that he really wants to be. Because who doesn't want to, like, I want to be Carl. I want to be organized.

I want to be all of these things. but this dude wants to be elevated he wants to believe that there is a higher power and all of this stuff but deep down inside his id is something completely different and when that falls he's like you know you saw him lose it a little bit of like i can't i can't i got nothing to lose joey i got nothing to lose you know like yes he flips this switch and the anger comes out and that's where you can see shooter called it out i think three weeks ago you get a peek behind the mask you get to see like okay yes this zen all as well kind of guy that's not who you are bro like we're seeing past the curtain the real louis and look we gave him grace to see if he could enact change and we also said you know the role of a

spouse is to sometimes check your spouse whether that's a man or a woman you have to say sometimes like hey this is you're coming on a little stronger hey like that's a bad look not in like a accusatory way but just to try to help them become a better person so we were watching that early on like oh you know what maybe he is helping teresa maybe she is getting better and then you see the mask slip like you said and you're like oh he's just a really fucking angry guy like this is kind of sketchy and also two things can be true at once too is that he's a really angry guy and also there's probably things that he really truly has helped teresa with you know there are things that actually worked because the dude obviously has done a lot of work but just because you do a lot of work

and read a lot of things and go to a lot of therapy and stuff like that unfortunately the frustrating part about all that is there's still that person inside you that you're trying to hold down and that you don't know why you're like this. But we have, you know, all of these firsthand accounts from women that that really say a certain type of behavior. So I would always love to believe that people can change as I get older. I realize more and more that that sometimes is not the case. You know, you're always going to be fighting that fight. And I think a bad place for Louis to be, once again, for people with extreme emotional issues is to be. on a reality television show and that's why I will be interested because I think at the

end of the day Melissa and Joey aside we all want Teresa to be happy like that aside like oh my God nobody like she totally deserves happiness but I don't know the the Louis relationship is something that I'll always have like a keen eye on reservations yeah for sure yeah well we did well we we figured it out let's uh who's gonna solve the problem we send the voice we know yeah you guys want to hop on an Instagram real and we'll just like discuss it with them and we'll all cry it will be good we can do that little thing where they're like

you live in LA I want to I want to come to the beach we'll come to the beach we'll all take our shirts off and get in the water and we'll have a warrior moment and we'll shoot a talk to no shoot her talk to your wife talk no talk to her softly yeah tell her again you want to read yeah no soft

no quit yelling you're being mean now settle down now Ryan punch him all right well we got some questions from uh from our audience um we're just going to do like two or three but yeah let's see i always have a really hard time reading usernames um so i'm going to do my best here to not crucify them but um from leans oh you can't talk me i was reading it my fuck me out oh boy now my screen just cut because i got what the hell is going i can't guys still see me yep yeah okay i can't see you so i'm just going to keep going oh shit you can see

that too um all right let's just i'm just going to keep going from lean's eats who will have the balls to bring marge down i you know i mean my i like i like marg i mean like i just don't know what bringing her down looks like because like i mean would you consider marge as bad as lisa rina was last season of just like, ah, you know, like, I don't see her as that, like, what does that even mean or look like bringing her down? Because she doesn't seem to be, that's what I'm saying, Jersey is really lost in a lot of ways because the Marge thing is another thing where I'm like, I don't, I don't really have a lot of feelings about it. I like Margaret. I like her and Jen Fessler together. But I also, I don't know. I just don't find her as deceptive as somebody like

Lisa Rina was or I don't know what are you guys I really don't I'm at a loss really think honestly I don't think that there's a way that she quote unquote goes down because she's always just going to be yelling whatever her point is and she's never going to lose an argument so like what do you expect do you expect her to lose all of her friends like she has no support left in the group I just can't see that ever happening and that's how I would describe but bringing her down otherwise like even if this shit that Jen just told Danielle about Melissa pops off. Marge is still going to scream and argue about her point that she wasn't the one who brought it to light anyway. So she's never going to lose the situation. I just don't think that

it's ever going to happen. We just need to get to a different place. And it's right now it's just not happening. So I don't know. Yeah. You guys are right. Let's move on. Oh, that's the same question. Apparently a lot of people are not. Um, follow up. Who's going to Who's going to take Marge down? From, fuck, from Max Jun, maybe the three is supposed to be an E.

From Max June? There you go. Max John 3. You'll get it. Are you going to go to Erica's show in Vegas? You're going to check out the residency? Me or you guys? You?

You, we're not. Yeah, we're definitely. Listen, this is going to be, well, I'm with you. This is probably an unpopular opinion. I don't forget easily. I don't think this is cute or fun. And I got to tell you to begin with, I think there's a big misconception. She was like Lady Gaga before all of this. Like I think she has a couple good bops. Like totally. But like I wouldn't, you know, like I've seen shows of hers before. This is a great deal for her. Good for her for hanging in there long enough to get this

residency. Also, you'll notice that BravoCon isn't announced on the residency because I think that will obviously be announced later on, but I think they want to try to get as many Bravo fans to buy tickets for the actual residency. But I think obviously that'll be a part of BravoCon. But there's just not, you know, if I got into it free, I don't even know if I would do it then. I think that once again, this kind of like muddies the waters and actually what we should be paying attention to with Erica is that I don't find this a comeback story. I would rather a comeback story of a lot of her husband's victims and stuff of that nature. I don't know. I never needed to see her get back to her same wealthy lifestyle so i don't really know what i'm supposed to champion

here of like good i hope you're rich again and spend money insanely bad like i don't know what i'm like i don't like her music enough and i'm a big music fan to ever see her live but i guess good for her and and what a deal whoever put that deal in place what a great person obviously a really good business person so i'll say that positively there you go that was nice thing about Herca Jane. That was a good. But by the way, when you guys covered Beverly Hills, I was so tired of like, I'm getting so much.

That was, people still talk about this. People refer to like Jersey as an ongoing season or like whatever other show that we're watching. There was no longer season in Bravo history than last year's Bradley Hills. It took fucking two. It was, it was 19 episodes plus the reunion. And it felt like, yeah, three reunions. Oh, fuck.

See, I bought it out. The four part reunion. It was 23 total episodes, and it spanned eight months. Like, no, there was nothing longer. Bravo tweeted, like, sub-tweeted at Love is Blind finale because it wasn't live. And they're like, at least we don't, like, make you done something about like love is like a knock on Love is Blind reunion. But I was like, no, but you do drag out your shows and your reunions for like a month and a half. One reunion show per show.

There's no need for TVR, VPR, I will watch three or four of them. That's true. But, you know, Miami does not need three, Beverly Hills does not need four. Potomac didn't need three. Like it was just all ridiculous. No, it really tests. You know, these shows will test the audience patience. And, you know, it's like there's only so much. And if it's not the most like Banderpump rules. And by the way, I only think they're getting three because they didn't really even get to talk about other things besides Scandiball. Yeah. But that is one. It's like, yeah, man, find a way to blow that out is with whatever footage you have. And they're so smart. Because if you

have peacock they're going to add on to the reunion and the final episodes just on peacock and not on bravo to get people over there but yeah it's like it just really those reunions test your patience so much and you're so because you're just and it's never like there's only a couple of good exchanges it's never like this in-depth discussion and then and you'll be like oh well moving on and I'm like no no no moving on this is the this is what we want to talk about and then touch on that topic for like two minutes those they'll tease it for a month and then they'll touch on it for two fucking minutes and then they move on to something stupid or to a character that nobody cares about they'll shift over to like mea and like no one cares about mea but now we're

talking about mea and g daddy and like their weird sex relationship which like i don't want to talk about anymore instead of focusing on like whatever the main storyline is for that season like I think that with the Vanderpump reunion, we have a chance to maybe rectify some of that to kind of keep it pointed. Well, that kind of writes itself, though. Like, that's not going to be like Andy and Bravo's hard work. That's just going to be like, all right,

here's the elephant in the room, have fun. We're not going to talk about anything but that. Now, but see, that's where Andy does come into play. Is that like, you know, if Howie Mandel had that, he wouldn't know what the app he was doing. At least it's like, but I will say what I had heard, you know, firsthand was that they really didn't get to get to a lot other things because everything led back to Scandibald and it was really like, you know,

they were out of there by 7.30 that night. And like, if you're like me, you remember like Andy on like reunion nights with like Beverly Hills and we're like 1130, we're still here and we have one more segment to go. So I was bummed when I found like 730, but I guess it was just so intense that they were like, this is all we're going to get. There was a physical altercation. I think I thought that did the Tom's go at it? Like that's the rumor I heard. No, I heard it was, no, it was well, supposedly it's DJ James Kennedy and Sandoval, but I do like that every time you say James Kennedy, it's DJ James gets. You got to.

By the way, I've said that now. I've said that for five years. I mean, since he's been, I've always said DJ James Kennedy. By the way, you guys would be perfect for guys night. Oh, I love guys night so much. Guys night. He just doesn't want to have dinner with us. Yeah, no, I can't do dinner with these blokes, but like, you know, maybe a party or maybe

Coachella, something like that, but not dinner. No dinner with these guys. Ryan and his big fat. belly oh oh fuck i think that wraps up the questions i mean ryan that was hysterical i'm glad we finally got to link up yeah man i feel like time means nothing anymore so it feels like last week when i you know first knew about you guys and i guess that's now been a year and a half or something so congratulations on all of your success like it is really uh it's it's awesome to watch you guys uh flourish and

I am just so thankful that there are better straight men than me out there in the No, we're definitely not better. And by the way, I want to tease the audience, too, that hopefully you guys are still down. But next week, we're going to do part two of this conversation on my podcast so bad it's good. And I think we'll have just as good enough, good of time. Like, there's so much going on in Bravo right now that it was like, oh, we could do this. I mean, isn't it so fun and easy to talk about this stuff? like it's just it's the best part of my day yeah yeah just like flows off and that's like

i've kind of taken on this you know i'll get like really amped up during the day or like i have a stressful day like my actual stupid job which hopefully we can stop with those soon we're trying to get away from actually working but like when i get to sit down a shooter on like wednesday night or thursday whenever we record it's almost like a therapy session i'm just like and like throw it all against the wall and just like and you guys have each other to lean on too yeah yeah i love that you get to work like sometimes i will say i'll do these like really long solo recaps of like beverly hills or vanderpump and not to be all boo-hoo what was me because i choose to do all of this stuff but it man sometimes it gets lonely man you're at like two in the morning like or like screaming about tom

sandiball and you're like what the f am i even doing with my life realizing you have to edit this after that and it's like when you do have guests on or when i you know it's like so nice to bounce off of that's why i was like looking forward to this because i was like i don't have to edit this i'm just going to be an idiot and this is exactly what i needed so perfect thank you that's what we're here for that's a you know we can we can start a support group yeah we'll start a text group yeah please well like ryan said uh we are going to be on his podcast next week for part two of this conversation um i would imagine this will be a recurring thing throughout the year this is It's going to blast.

But do you have anything to plug anything you want to get out there? Well, I would say everybody listening to make sure to buy tickets to your live show in Philly next week. That is huge. And this is what I say on all podcasts and even mine is that I know it sounds silly, but if you're listening to this right now, do us all a solid is if you haven't rated Bravo's five stars on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, go do that. It's a really free, easy way to support the show or any show. And do that for mine as well, you know.

And if you don't like it, just move on. Like there's so many great podcasts out there that is like there's a podcast for literally everyone right now. But that kind of support really helps because even though we're really lucky in a lot of ways, we're still people that are trying to find our way. And there's so many great options. So it really does help in placement on Apple podcast and stuff like that. So consider doing that. But yeah, so bad it's good on YouTube, the podcast, the Instagram.

It's everywhere. But yeah, I'm around. Sweet. Sounds good. Thanks a lot, Ryan. Same with us. Thanks for play. We have this issue with plugs. We're not good at them. We are getting better. Dude, it's like, we're not good at the way until the very end. We're like, shit, everybody already checked out. Yeah, no one's listening anymore. And then we're like, oh, plug, fuck. Like there. I was, can you hear me now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. I think you just have weird ears, maybe. That could be the issue. I think it's an ear problem. My issue. All right. Well, like Ryan said, show next week at Thursday night at the city winery in philly make sure you get a ticket there's

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