Bros & Shows - Unanswered Texts and Unreciprocated Hugs (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

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I'm assuming most of you are coming over from our audio leak recap, and this is the full episode recap. Let's waste no time and jump right into this. Hell yeah. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine.

Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brob bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to the episode. to broth. Your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one

and only Sherlock Magoutes. What's up, dude? Yeah, we got a couple more weeks of that, huh? Yeah. I wish I got you like a Sherlock hat. That would have been fun. Yeah, I wonder if that would look good on me. I don't know.

The double-sided brim? I wore a Jeff Cap one time, and it didn't look great. So my head's too big. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Same thing with the like snapbacks and stuff too. Like they're already big and then my head's big so that my head looks even bigger.

So I stick to the dad hats. You go dad hat. I go snapback. So we compliment each other well. But anyway, as you guys know, we just recapped the audio leaks from the reunion. If you haven't listened to that, you can go ahead and pause this,

go listen to that, then come on back. But let's, jump into the full episode because there's a lot of Easter eggs in this one, I think, and there's also a lot happening. We're trying our best. It's getting harder and harder than more that's coming out to stay focused on the fact that there's other shit going on. It's been a good season for multiple people, not just a crazy, tumultuous.

I don't even know what to call this thing. It's an affair. I know it's not, but it is. Yeah. Yeah, it's a friend affair or something like that. Yeah, it's something fucking weird. But yeah, I don't know. I was finally getting back to like even grounds where I'm like, all right.

Yeah, we'll just see how the reunion goes. But in the meantime, I'm actually starting to care about other things that are going on. It's sort of normal business. But nope, nope, they had to screw that up. Somebody had to screw it up. Sure did. Probably, Bravo. Sure did, unfortunately.

But it's pretty insane. We're just going to dive into this episode. It's pretty insane that all of this is correlating with the season. that we're currently watching. Because this episode begins where we ended last episode. And that's West and Sierra are BFFs again. They're besties. And that's where we start because we're going on a boat and we get to boat day.

People pull up and they're holding hands. It's exactly. I love that it's exactly what Jesse actually saw where he was talking. And look, everybody's talking in the car. Everybody's a little concerned about what's going on. like ah yeah so wait what happened it was very secretive which we find out like nobody really knew that they were going to quote unquote have coffee before everybody arrived but in a nutshell it seems like the right thing to do again in the current times of the show it makes sense and i'm actually

kind of proud of seara because usually she would just kind of put this on the back burner and be like whatever i'll fucking deal with it there's only a couple of weeks left the summer but it just goes to show you where she is and her feelings towards west and what she wants and how they want to move forward and the end of last episode was a lot of that, a lot of clearing the air finally, having a real conversation, finally, breaking down some things. And they end with,

can we be best friends again? Now, this episode is a little different than best friends. A lot different to best friends. This is not how best friends act. But either way, we finally clear the air. So it just seems like the stigma is kind of lost. And what it propels you into a little bit later is fine. But where we are now, it's like, okay,

if you're sitting in that summer house and you're riding over there, and you don't know how this went because no one's answering their phones. You're not getting any text messages. You have no idea on the update of that conversation. It could have gone fucking terrible or it could have gone really well and they're going to be there with their hands raised. And that's sort of what we're talking about on the ride over. And everybody has their feelings about it. But you can tell the majority of the house is hoping that they're in a good place.

Like that would make us feel so much better. We don't have to worry about anything happening. We don't have to worry about West being an asshole and doing this to Sierra again and then having to go to Sierra and make sure that she's okay. We just want to be able to finish Summer Strong. And they're hoping and praying that that's the case. Now, the little Easter egg that we get from Kyle right away when he goes into it a little bit later with the actual text messages. But he says that West had texted the night before and said, best night ever. Now, Amanda has yet to respond to any of Kyle's text messages, has yet to respond to anything else in the group.

But she replies immediately to West and says, damn. Now, that's fucking weird. even know it, not knowing what we know now. That's just very weird behavior. I know you're checked out on Kyle, but you're not responding to anybody. And then West says best night ever and you go, damn,

everybody else is probably talking about all the fun things that are going on, what they're doing that that night, the fact that there's seven dudes in the house and only three girls and Amanda has nothing to say for it except that face time that we saw. But she responds just to that and says, damn. And Kyle's like, what the fuck? Like, that got a rise out of you?

That opened your eyes? He acknowledges that in his confessional. and he says when West popped up, her ears perked up and then she responded, he knows something's up. I don't know if he can grasp that they might be hooking up. I don't think his brain could put that together just because of how outlandish it seems. I go back to the conversation Kyle and Carl had where Carl showed up after the day after, or no, I'm sorry, he went to bed tonight before, but when they're talking in the morning,

the day after Kyle said, fuck you to Amanda, Kyle says, I have an idea of what's going on. I just can't talk about it. So I think he is kind of putting it together. And we saw little tidbits throughout the summer where he was talking to Amanda or talking to West

or talking to the boys. And it all kind of came back to the same thing. Like Amanda is doing fun things when she's around the guys and West. Amanda is her normal flirty self when she's around West and the rest of you. She's hanging out with West and the rest of you. but not hanging out with me.

So I do think that Kyle is the one who's leaving his breadcrumbs, at least right now. We talked about the breadcrumbs on social media that were talked about during the audio leaks in our previous episode. So again, if you didn't listen to that, go back. Not that we're going to reference anything. Yeah, but just go back. Like continuity reasons. Just go back. We put that one out first.

But either way, that tells me that Kyle's on to something. And he's not really sure because he knows, like, this is explosive. If he brings this up in the house, no matter what time he brings it up, everything falls apart. And maybe West and Amanda don't actually quote unquote get together at that time because it's enough to force them apart. So maybe he should have said something. But if you have that inkling,

if you have that theory, you can't just bring this to the house, especially with the behavior that Kyle's been exhibiting the entire summer. People are going to call him crazy. People are going to say, oh, you're just the jealous husband who's on the last legs of his marriage. And he's just grasping at straws. And he's just looking at the way that his wife's behaving.

And he's now blaming that. Like, no, dude, look in the mirror. That's what would have happened. So probably for Kyle, it's better than he didn't, but he was definitely honest on to something. Yeah, I think you highlighted the most important part. And that's like whenever she or whenever he talks about her behavior, he doesn't say West, Jesse and Ben or Jesse and the boys. It's always West and.

And I think that's really important and very intentional. Yeah. Now, when we're on the boat, me and Sierra talk and it's like, how was it? And she's like, honestly, it was really good. this broke my heart. She's like, I feel like, and this is the line that I think so many people out there need to really hear because there's so many people in the comments like, West and Sierra never dated. You don't know what was said behind closed doors.

You don't know what West was perpetuating to her. And the fact that she says, I feel like he's my person. Okay. Like that's the level of involved that they were or that she felt for this man. So you can't, you can't invalidate her feelings because you think that they weren't together long enough. Like that's stupid. No. And look, I understand if again, you're kind of looking at things differently and you're trying to ignore what's going on currently and just looking at the way that Sierra is.

If you had the take of fuck, Sierra really, you're going to do it again. You're going to let him back in after what he did to you. And after all the fucking things that he's been doing, the last two summers, you're really going to trust them again? What are you doing? You're not a great judge of character. I get that. And I think that's your prerogative.

I'm not personally feeling that way. My feelings are West knows how Sierra feels about him. He just wants to get back to a quote unquote good place. Now, we talked about this last week too. We were hoping that conversation was going to be boundaries. Like, okay, we understand. We haven't had this discussion. Let's clear the air first.

Now let's talk about being friends. They do say, can we be best friends again? but they jump immediately. And it's like, okay, I understand that, you know, the pressure is off. You get the monkey off your back, whatever you want to say. You're right back into it, though. Like you're already talking about how he's your person. That's a tough, tough thing to do.

And it's all because of the way that West is doing things all summer, getting drunk, putting his hands on her, feeling so upset when Jesse even indicates that he might have a chance at hooking up with Sierra, he freaks out. So there's so many different things that West has done to push Sierra back to that thing of he's got feelings for me too. Like this is right. Were they each other's people? He's just got to get over this hump of commitment or whatever.

But like I don't really falter for doing that. He's playing with her emotions the entire time. So don't don't just blame Sierra and say, fuck, you felt for it again. Again, I understand if you're going to take that approach, but look at it from the other side.

Look at it from the west angle and say that he's been manipulating her because he has. Yeah. And I think that's 100% credible because there was this boundary in between the two of them, this hurdle. And that was can Sierra get back to a point where she's not mad at him and we don't keep going back to last year, two years ago. Once that hurdle's gone, you look at where they actually were in this relationship. And they were beyond the friendship zone already.

It's just Sierra would pull back after the, you know, they'd have fun one night and then the next day she'd be kind of cold, not really talking to them. And that kept that boundary in place. Once you remove that, they both go back to the way it was because they both wanted it to be back the way it was for much different reasons. Again, West wanted to get back because he doesn't like when people don't like him. That's all. Yeah. That's all he gave a fuck about. And he wanted to know that he settled.

He wanted to know that he had the option. He didn't like the fact that Sierra was off limits to him was driving him fucking crazy. So once he gets that back and it's this cycle that we see with West. And this is what I was talking about earlier in the season is he's been moving this way his entire life. He's never been on camera before, so he's gotten away with shit. He's very charming, so he gets away with shit. But he is a narcissist. And this is how they move.

I know we overuse that word, but I do believe that he is at least a little bit because as soon as he got back to good standing, he then thinks he's in the clear. And he then reverts back to the same behaviors that he had in the past. and he takes bigger risks. That's what he did with Sierra two years ago. And it bit him in the ass. He spent a year and a half trying to climb out of that hole. But the thing is, because he climbed out of that hole, he didn't learn anything.

He said in his head, oh, I can still do this stuff. I can get away with anything. And he took it a step further. And he started hooking up with Amanda because he felt, again, I'm going to get away with it. I always have. Even on camera, even on camera, I was able to weasel my way back in. So, of course, I'm going to take this stupid chance on my career and my friendships and my

relationships because I'll get away with it. I always do. And that's what gave him the confidence to pursue all of this crazy shit with Amanda. Well, I mean, at the same time, too, somebody like that doesn't really think about the repercussions. They just think and assume that they're going to be able to get out of it, which, you know, we've talked about the way that dudes behave in the fact that they, they're always able to somehow get out of it, and yet they leave the girl kind of, and I'm not

talking about Sierra, I'm talking about Amanda. They usually leave the woman in the dust and they cannot find anything to do or they get just absolutely skewered every time they try to do something. So I don't know. If West just wanted, which we talk about this before and we talked about a couple of years ago, too, if he just wanted to be friends, if what he truly wanted was to be able to be in that house and have fun and not worry about Sierra breathing down his, neck when he's talking to another girl, what he's making up with another girl. If that's what he wanted, which is how he's been behaving recently, then you have to clear the air and then say, I just want to get to a place where I don't have to worry about you being

upset that I'm doing something. Is that okay? Can we be friends and do that or not friends and not do that? Like, you have to give me some sort of way to go and you have to put the onus on her. I mean, honestly, you fucked up. Like, it's up to her, what she wants to do when they move forward. Like, you actually do not get a say in any of this. You just, he just gets to a little. point where he's like, oh, wow, the air is cleared. We're going to be best friends again. And then all of a sudden, she's exhibiting feelings towards him again. He's like, well, I guess there's only one choice here.

No, there's always another choice. You can say, all right, like, you know, I'm happy that we're good and we've cleared the air and we're friends again. But I don't think that we should be dating. It's a tough conversation, but he's never going to have that tough conversation. He's never going to do that. And that's not what he wants. He wants to be able to just kind of pick, get his pick of the litter and go around New York and go around Chicago and just hook up with wherever he wants.

And that's fine if you don't do that. this. All of the things that he's been doing is why that's a problem. Yeah, and that's part of the leaked audio as well. They're trying to take the stance of like, this wasn't a choice. Like, it just happened. It's like, what? You always have it. You can control this kind of stuff. And a man is trying to say, like, when you're in love, you know, you can't stop it. It's like, yes, you can. You can be a grown up and a halt and a good friend. But there's other things going on too, guys. Let's see, Dara is, is worried now because of KJ and her. She's now thinking, yeah, Mia's got her a little nervous that she's going to talk KJ

out of this whole thing. And she's like, well, you know, I just, part of me knows it was quick, but I'm in. And if he backs out now, I'm going to die. It's going to crush me again. Pretty much that's what happened. And this was like a slightly softer approach. But again, Mia and Sierra both on the like big sister team of KJ. So they really, like their motives, I understand their motives.

And they're very clear and they're fine that they don't want KJ to move too fast and then get burnt. And that's completely cool for your younger brother. If that's how you want to look at them. They're fine. Like KJ and Dara are completely fine. Like I know we see probably more than everybody else sees, but they do essentially live with them on the weekends. I haven't seen one thing like, yeah, maybe they move a little fast. Everybody's moving fast.

Look around the goddamn house. Everybody's moving fast. Everybody's trying to move fast. they seem completely fine. So you don't have to put the fear of God of this girl. She seems nice. There's no real problem to go after here. No, but the fear of God was put in her.

So, yeah. You know, hey, if that kept them on track, I'm cool. Maybe it did. We don't know. Yeah. No idea. But the other thing to take away is Amanda facetimes or they facetime Amanda and another Kyle Easter egg here because he tries to get clarification.

So his ears perked up on that text. Something was like fishy. Something was off. So he asks Amanda, when you said, damn, after the best night of my life, that was sarcastic, right? He even gave her an out. She's like, no, it's because I missed like the best night. It's like, oh, okay, love you. Bye.

I could understand if she was weird and felt upset because we do talk about this too. Like she missed Carl and Lindsay's engagement because she stayed home. So like, yeah, you're missing out on all of the big impactful events that happened in the house. And I would say, yeah, I would say Sierra and West reconciling would be a big impactful event that if you missed out on, you'd be like, fuck. Damn, all right, cool. I'm happy you guys are good, but like I would have loved to have been there. That would have been a good approach. But the best night ever, and that's what you say, damn at, I'm sorry, you go to bed at 9pm.

You smoke yourself silly and you don't clean up your apartment. I love that. You just go back to that every time. Yeah, every fucking time. Like, clean up your goddamn apartment. and you're letting your dogs just run amok and poop and pee everywhere, probably. I'm just making it even worse. Kyle is a DJ that stays out late.

You never want to stay out with him. You actually chastise him for staying out. So why is you missing the best night ever a big problem? You're not a big going out, girl. Come on. Very fishy. Raises more eyebrows. People are starting to key in on it.

And Jesse's talking about how Kyle was, it's interesting to watch how he approaches this whole thing, because we're so used to hearing Sierra, Mia and others talk about Amanda's side of it. Like I feel so bad for Amanda. We don't get the Kyle side very often. And I am very curious. I do believe it was a re-edit to try to give Kyle a little bit of a break.

Because Jesse's like, you know, it was nice to see him. Like he actually was able to be himself. He had some levity here when she wasn't there. And I think that either you either accept each other's flaws, Kyle, or then he realizes what the alternative is and doesn't know what he's like, uh, or I don't know. it. And Kyle, for the first time ever in his entire life, Kyle says, I don't want to talk about it. He has never said that before. He is always, always willing to talk about it. Yeah. I wonder if that's, I mean, based on the confessionals, the way that he's moving this weekend,

it does seem like he, he kind of sees finally that the end is near. I mean, we got a multitude of videos of him laying in bed by himself, acting like he was checking his phone. to see if a man that was texting him back, which she wasn't. But he does finally seem like he's out on an island by himself. Like he knows that the end is coming and there's not a whole lot that he could do to prepare for it. So he hasn't really faced that totally. And I think that's kind of what we're seeing a lot in this episode anyway. Yeah, I think so too.

But we get back to the house, West and Sierra hug for about 15 minutes. And that's where you start to realize. Best friends, dude. Best friends hug, man. Best friends hug all the time for a very long time. And, yeah, not like the Holy Spirit in between you, but, you know, like full on, you know, full on. Yep, crotch to crotch.

We do that, yeah, sometimes. Yeah, we do that all the time because we're best friends. And then we kiss because we're best friends. It's totally normal, everybody. But everyone's just talking about what happened, right? The conversation that they had, they recap that whole thing. Nothing really crazy happens. Sabrina, who...

She's interesting. She's a strange cat. All right. Like she's a little strange. Yeah. But she lets slip. She's like, oh, well, I mean, West did say it a crush on you, Sierra. So that I know what she's doing, right?

She's trying to be part of the show. She's trying to come in late and drop some nuggets here and there to try to get some relevancy. I don't know if it's just she's that weird and quirky or if she's vying for a spot on the show. I think it's somewhere in the middle of those two. but I don't think she understands what that one sentence does because that to me, when we're in this time of like, oh, best friends again, oh, we're comfortable again. And then you acknowledge that West has feelings. I think that escalates things in Sierra's head.

Yeah. She does not understand how heavy of a comment that is. Now, my takeaway on Sabrina is, I think she just loves love, man. I think she loves love. I love that you are just you are all in on Sabrina and it's very funny like Sabrina's She's way more interesting than Ben. I'll tell you that. But I think she is a very interesting person.

And I'm a strange cat too, by the way. He's a strange cat, but he's also a dud. Sabrina is not a dud. If we get her talking for like 20, 25 minute, like we should interview her and I'm just going to let her talk. Like I'm not going to ask her any questions. Like Sabrina, tell us how summer was. She probably would. And I'd be fine with that.

but I do actually think like between this and then when we find out at the end of the episode with the double date thing I do think like her and her and Sierra had a weird friendship that we didn't really get to see. They went out and got coffee after Lindsay's open house, not open house, her

housewarming party. They somehow have come together and it seems like they talk a lot. Now it sounds like Sabrina talks to everybody and that's just kind of who she is. I don't really think it's for the show at all. I don't think she's trying to get on the show at all. I think she's just, just very weird and very quirky.

And she loves love and she loves the idea. And she doesn't understand the ramifications of history when it comes to Sierra and West. I think she's just happy that everybody's good. And she knows, and I'm sure her and Sierra have had conversations about West, where she says this is a good nugget to throw in there. Like maybe West isn't telling you this. But he told Ben and Ben's like, fuck, hey, everything that we say in my apartment, that just stays there. We don't talk about that outside of this.

She says everything. Cats out of the bag. Yeah, cats out of the bag. There's nothing you can really do. But I really do think that Sabrina just wants them, like she wants double date partners. Like her and Ben, they're always together. They can't go out on a double date with Kyle and Amanda because they can't fucking stand each other. I just want a couple friends.

God, could you guys please get together? I love you, Sierra. West seems fine, but I love you, Sierra. And I want you to have a good boyfriend. So you, me, Ben, and West can all go in double dates. That's all this was, I think. That and, you know, they can't go on a double date with Amanda and Kyle because Amanda just had to tell Sabrina that Ben wants to fuck her. So that's also a problem.

But anyway, let's go to dinner. And we're talking soft bar. As we know, we're getting a soft launch this week, soft opening. And interesting speech from Carl, interesting toast. Thanks for everyone at the table. All of you really for your support, especially those of you that support with your wallets and calls Kyle out, which I know he feels a certain way. We should be done with it.

I think we're on the same page. Like you talk to Kyle already. You know, this is double jeopardy. You're going back. If you want to have, I know you didn't get everything out. And that's your big holdup with Kyle.

It's like I don't get things out when I talk to. Yeah. I will give Kyle a pass on that because it's not Kyle's fault in the moment that you can't speak. I mean, he might have set that tone and that's something you're trying to work through. Fine years ago, seven years ago probably. Right. But like you had your opportunity to talk about it more.

You guys did talk about it somewhat. And Kyle even said, hey, man, no matter what you have to say, it could be awful. Like, if you remember, come tell me. So to take a shot now in front of everybody with passive aggressiveness, I thought was kind of soft. It's kind of soft. I see what you did there too. Yeah, no, I see what you did there. It's kind of soft.

And it's also, it's just slightly irritating just because we've already done this. We've had those discussions. Kyle has now told you that he is broke. He's filing for bankruptcy or he's thinking about doing it. There's so many different levels to Kyle saying that he's broke and he's now told you either to your face or through other people that he has no money to invest. Whether that's sure or not is up for debate, fine, whatever. But throwing in the little petty comment when everybody at the table knows who you're

talking about. And you don't have like, look, I don't want to minimize Carl, Carl's feelings towards Kyle and not investing. But all things considered, it's not that big. of a deal. It's going to make you a little upset fine. It's not something you just like call out in the middle of the dinner like this and make everybody awkward. I just, it's not the way to go about it. I would rather see Carl go to Kyle and kind of fumble through his feelings for a little while because everything that we've seen from Kyle is I want Carl to come talk to me. And I think that

Kyle wouldn't try to steer the conversation where he wants. He would talk about him being broke again, but he would let Carl kind of get it all out at this point anyway. I mean, we've had this an iteration of this conversation a couple different times. At this point, if you pulled Kyle aside and said, hey, man, I just want to get everything out and just talk everything through with you and just tell you how I feel, Kyle would listen. He is a good friend at the end of the day. He didn't invest with soft bar, but he's got his own fucking shit going on. And that should be the end of it.

Yeah. And if you need more proof of that, like the way he talks in confessionals, like when he gets burned or like in this moment, you know, again, he's not going to his confession, be like, fuck, Carl, fuck this. He's like, man, like that really, that really hurt. Yeah. He's a genuine person. And you can have your thoughts and feelings about Kyle.

Again, I think that the biggest issue that him and Amanda has, that they never should have been together. I'm not taking away either that he was an awful husband. He was. He was a terrible husband. No question about it. But I don't think he's a bad person. And I do think that he's a good friend.

And I think that if Carl was able to say something, I don't think he'd lash out. I think he'd sit there, listen and go, you know what, man, I hear you. I'm really sorry. I couldn't invest, but I understand where you're coming from. That's truly what I think would have happened. So yeah, I didn't love that whole thing. But they go out and we get home and we get one of the sadder scenes of the entire season. And again, like, you know, we were all so stuck on what a bad husband, Kyle is, which again is very true.

This doesn't change that. But we gave Amanda passes for everything because none of us were looking at it that way. And now you're seeing other things. It's like he shows his text thread. that's the saddest fucking thing I've ever seen. If I text Debrage doesn't respond in like two hours, I'm like, hey, what's up? Like, where are you? Yeah.

Yeah, it was really sad. And I do, I think that somebody's going to have to go back because we're not going to do it. We were getting to the point with all of the Kyle and Amanda talk where it wasn't equal blame, but we were discussing how Amanda was at blame. So we were going to get there. I think by this point in the season, we obviously had the stance that they shouldn't have been together anymore. They should have gotten divorced.

They should have gotten separated. All of those. things. But I think as we would have talked about it, I do think that we would have started kind of steering towards Amanda and looking at her like, all right, enough's enough. Like, you got to just nut up and just get the hell out of this. You can't keep doing this. The way that Kyle is spiraling, like there has to be an end to all of this. So I do think we would have gotten there regardless, obviously revisionist history. And it's a history that's not playing out the way that we thought it was going to.

But this was sad. Yeah, this was brutal. And again, he reiterates like, I texted her a bunch. like look at all this just got done finishing my DJ set nothing okay I just landed cool you want coffee no okay no answer there cool west best night of my life wow damn like come on he calls it out again he calls out west again in that moment mm-hmm like you can't tell me he didn't know what the fuck was up but jesse and sierra are talking about the convo and you know obviously sierra's like stoked at their friends again and kyle checks in and you are They're checking in on Kyle together. Yeah.

Discussing Kyle. My bad. I wrote Kyle check in. Now we're getting into some of the details of their relationship because again, I was going to call Jesse Carl for some reason. Jesse was saying to Sarah, it was really nice to see Kyle be able to be himself and not get yelled at for being himself. So we haven't seen the Kyle supporters on the show.

So this is an interesting perspective to see. Obviously, Sierra's like, yeah, well, and you know, she's taking more of Amanda's side. But the big takeaway, it doesn't really matter who's right or wrong. Right. Talking about should they even be together anymore? Should they get separated? Jesse brings up the fact that apparently, according to Carl, they may not have had sex in years, plural. Yeah.

Years. Yeah. This was definitely tough. But look, I think that this is how the conversations and not how should be going at this point just given what we've been seeing. And you can even throw in Bailey's appearance on Watch What Happens Live last night. She was asked, you know, what did you think as a newcomer coming into the house, your first summer?

What did you think about Kyle and Amanda? Did you think that they had a shot? And no. And this is the vibe of the whole house. Now, a lot of them have known Amanda and Kyle for years. A lot of them have been in the house with them for a couple of years. So they understand what's part for the course and what's not. The main takeaway from pretty much everybody there is obviously the sex thing.

But then it's also what Bailey said last night, which was they were the weirdest married couple I've ever seen. Like, obviously, Kyle was spiraling. Amanda was depressed. And I did not see them embrace one time. I did not see them kiss once the entire summer. They didn't strike me as a married couple. It wasn't like, oh, we're going to work on it.

And they had those little flings like here and there. No, it was dead in the water. And that's what everybody's kind of coming to grips to. And that's been a good theme for this season. Again, you know, we're not talking about the current events. For the season, we've kind of seen everybody in the house had that realization in different times. Fuck, I think this is over.

I think Kyle and Amanda are pretty much done here. And you see some people's reactions like, I didn't even know that was a possibility. I didn't even think there was a possibility that they could get separated. I didn't even know that there was a chance that they weren't going to make it. I just assumed.

And that's kind of what you kind of fall into. When you're with somebody for that long and you're around them for that long, you're like, oh, they'll figure it out. It's always going to work out. It's going to be fine. Once one person does it, it's a domino effect. Everybody's now thinking it.

We're all having internal conversations about what's going on with that. So I think this is probably good for the house to be talking about this. Nobody's going to be blindsided. But now there's a little bit more of like, okay, Kyle's not just bitching about the fact that Amanda's not here. Kyle's not just bitching about the fact that Amanda doesn't want to hang out with him. There's a lot more to this. And there's a lot more that we're privy to that maybe the girls aren't. So we can share ideas and start talking about this.

So I think that's important not only for the relationship, not only for everybody knowing what's going on, but also for Kyle. Yeah. No, I agree. some kind of closure or, you know, perspective on the whole thing. I don't know. When we get back to the city, Bailey and Levi are planning her two-year anniversary for her It It Girl show, which I believe does pretty well. I think she's made quite a, quite a network out of that, which is pretty fucking cool.

So I'm excited for that. I'm sure we're going to get that by the end of the season maybe. But, oh, man, every time we get to these scenes, I just like pit in my stomach because it's Amanda and Sierra. one-on-one and it's a weekend recap and again we get reminded you know you miss big weekends you missed carlinds you get engaged you missed me and uh west reunite how was the weekend without kyle this is where i have like all of the tinfoil hats on yeah to figure out the reactions to this whole thing because she's like you know it was just so necessary i feel like i was falling in

depression again not really myself we did our first couples therapy session blah blah blah whatever I firmly believe that her not going was in response to West and that, that random chick, but not because of what he did to Sierra. I think that was her, like I'm mad at you because you were talking to another girl. Also, the way that she's now discussing things, because she's talking about her and Kyle and the couple's therapy and it's like, I'm retelling our love story. It sounds more like a psychological thriller.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, and goes through everything. her tone now compared to every other time she's ever been in a confessional, every other time she's been on screen. And I guess you could say it's because she's finished with Kyle, maybe, like that's why she's talking this way. I don't know. I think it's partly that and I think it's partly feeling emboldened by West.

I think this is all like one big pile of shit that kind of mash together. Yeah. I mean, I think in the timeline of where we're at, you know, I think she's starting to notice. that other people are looking at her. I mean, look at last week's episode.

She said, look at my ass as I'm walking away. I think she's noticing like, hey, I'm going to be all right when I get out of this relationship with Kyle. And it's not an if, it's a when. So I think that paired with the couples therapy thing where she didn't even talk about like, I guess you kind of get this in couples therapy when people talk about it and you hear one side of the story. But the way she's talking about it, it was like, I was finally able.

I was unburdened. I'm sorry, Doreet. I was unburdened and I'm allowed to just go off. off and tell this therapist everything that happens. And it was crazy to say. And you could look at Kyle and he's just storming. And he was uncomfortable at certain points. It's like, okay, what about the other ends when Kyle starts talking about you?

No, we're not going to hear about this. Yeah, we're not going to hear about that part of it, are we? So between that and obviously, I'm more in the camp that she, I think maybe not with West, because I'm still not like full tinfoil hat. But I do think that it's more. I don't want to be around Kyle and maybe there was one little indication with West. Maybe there was something that happened,

whether it was during the week while they were in New York or while they were up in the summer house where she caught a vibe from West. She's like, oh, okay, I like this. And then boom, he hooks up with a girl. And then boom, Sierra's pissed off and upset and all of these things. Maybe there's a little guilt in there,

wrapped in there that she'll never actually admit, although she talks about it in the leaks. Without saying, sorry. Maybe there's a little bit of something in there, but she doesn't feel sorry for Sierra. She just feels like she's guilty because she did something wrong. That's how people work. But I think there's a lot of components to this. Like I let my mask slip for a second of, okay, the marriage is over.

Ooh, West is looking pretty good, hooks up with the girl. And now he's back with Sierra. And all of a sudden I'm like, okay, my depression is crazy right now. I'm so upset right now. It's not because you can't be around Kyle. It's because you don't want to be around West while he's doing that because you allowed yourself for a second to think there's a chance here and then right when you did that west did something else which is probably what she's doing right now yeah and that's a glimpse into your

future by the way because this guy has shown who he is and you're taking a gamble on him your big issue with kyle is that he drinks too much and stays out late and you go for west and provides for your family with DJ sets come on yeah yeah west is not going to provide you took that seriously that's good no it's funny because like, yeah, the DJing thing has been a point of contention, but seriously, like Kyle, he supports you. West is not going to.

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We use that word again. He used that last episode. It's a macrocosm for Carl's journey over the last decade, honestly. And it kind of comes to fruition in this beautiful bar, this beautiful idea that he had that everybody's shit on except for us. by the way, even Shooter was nice about it. He refrained, which is nice for him. And it's just, it was cool to see this journey from start to finish.

It was really cool to see this journey from start to finish. Do not fucking blow smoke up my ass cast. I don't want to hear it. They all talked about how they shit on it happens. They all, no, no, no, no, no. They did shit on the concept, but they all talked about how quickly it happened. Like, oh my God, dude, it seems like just yesterday you had a van that came out of the house and all that. Don't do that to me.

We spent years talking about soft bar and it's here and I'm very happy it's there. But do not try to rewrite history and tell me that it was a very quick process because it was not. And I do think, again, he deserves credit because it was a long drawn out process. Like I don't want to minimize it. It was a very long process. He lost investors halfway through. He had to get new investors. He had to get a bunch of new money.

Did it go fund me for it? I'm pretty sure he actually tried to get a warehouse, had it locked down, then couldn't get it because they didn't have the funding for that. He went through hell for this place. So don't minimize it. And also don't lie to me and say that this was a very quick process because it wasn't. And I think he deserves all the flowers because it was a long thing that he really stuck with. Yeah.

And the only one that acknowledges that it wasn't quick is Lindsay. She's like, well, finally, at least we got here. It's like, yeah. And it's anyway, but yeah. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't in like, but she was supportive in her own. Lindsay way. I will talk about Sharon.

That was fucking brutal. But that was weird. Yeah. Ben KJ and Dara are, are standing there and Sabrina is obviously there. And she's like, have you, have you said anything about Christmas?

No. No. Yeah, she's coming to Australia. I booked her a ticket. Okay. What the fuck? That's,

that was weird. But the only thing weirder would be like, well, tell them what you. told your mom like what the fuck is this what's happening right now so there's i think there's something else at play here again i i don't really care for ben but with sabrina pretty much as soon as ben and sabrina started hooking up or started getting back together or whatever i still firmly believe that the two of them were talking the whole time and then he i think they were tried to hook up with

other girls and realized that he couldn't and that's when he locked it down and now sabrina's very happy about that. But since Sabrina is now locked down, what is she gone through? She had to deal with Amanda talking about how Ben wanted to fuck her the whole time and everybody in the house thought that she probably feels pretty insecure about the whole thing. So I don't really blame her for this. It was a very weird situation. It's a very weird thing to say to somebody else like, hey, hey, it's August, but tell them about Christmas. And look, if it was October and she said that, I would actually understand. It is like a trip to Australia. So that's kind of cool and fun. But it's like four months early.

It's like, okay, yeah, it's settled down a little bit. But I understand why she's doing these things. That's how I'm looking at it anyway. Every time that she talks about her dating Ben, it's threatened by something. And it's honestly, Amanda started that whole fucking carousel. So I don't really blame her for that, but I do love the two of them like KJ and Ben just like, yeah, you guys move a little too quick. Are you moving too quick? What are we doing here?

What are we talking about? Yeah, you can tell KJ does. He wants to say something, but he's self-aware, which I love about him. And he's like, yeah. I guess what happened this summer, wasn't expecting it, but his, damn,

after he's like, I bought Sabrina a ticket, he's like, damn, that was his real response. But then he realized he had to reel it in because he's also moving quickly. It was very funny.

Yeah. But Carl's mom arrived. Sharon makes an appearance. And, oh boy, I was not expecting the conversation that we get between her

and Lindsay in a little bit. But before we get to that, West arrives, and Sabrina's, is blowing smoke up Westass. I was talking to Sierra about how beautiful you are, how amazing you are. I'm like,

I would love to hear what she has to say now about that whole thing. But we get news. And I was so confused because she says, I'm so excited for later. I was like, what's going on later? It turns out that through the transitive property of Sabrina inviting Sierra, she invited West to go with Sierra.

So we have a double date. There's no other way to look at this. And it's like, yeah, you know, we're friends. We're best friends. This is a date. Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is bad.

The hopes and dreams of Sabrina, I guess. But like, this is what Sierra doesn't need. And I'm not really going to like go after Sabrina for doing it. Because again, I don't think that she understands where everybody was. She doesn't understand the gravity of it. Sabrina thinks, oh, you guys are good. Cool. She is absolutely just talking to Sierra constantly about dating West.

And that's brutal because we know the precarious position that Sierra is in with her feelings towards West. We would always advise her, no, stay away, stay away, stay away, unless you listen to the first couple episodes of the season when Steele says I want them together. I'm never going to let you let that down. I was the only one. So at least I have some. No, there was thousands. And those people will never admit it. those idiots on the line. You guys were wrong.

You're not an idiot, though. But I think that Sabrina just she just really wants that to happen. She doesn't fucking understand how powerful her words are to Sierra. Like she will buy into it so quickly. West is like, I don't know.

We just cleared the air. We just got back to a good place. I think these things are moving too fast. We're not dating. It's like, dude, so quickly. And again, this is where choices come into play. If somebody like Sabrina is talking about it like it's a double date, you can tell Sabrina, hey, back off.

We're just trying to navigate friendship. And then she'll probably back off. And if there's not a backing off, then you just stand your ground. And then everybody understands why you're standing your ground. Like, hey, I don't trust myself. I don't want to fuck up again. And it's nothing to go against Sierra. Like, I'm sorry if that's how she feels.

But like, I just want to be friends. We said we would be friends. If things start moving in this direction, I can't handle it. And we just can't do that. that's what you do. You take a fucking stance instead of being a coward. But instead, he's a coward. And he's like, oh, yeah, okay.

Now, I love, since we're talking about Sabrina and this double date, Jesse's reaction at the end of the episode when he's like, yeah, Sabrina texted me because we talk now. Yeah. That whole house is so funny because they're, you've got KJ and Dara over here who are moving at lightning speed. And yes, you've got your feelings about it, but you don't really talk about them like that. Ben and Sabrina for whatever reason, the whole house is like, I guess we're just friends with Sabrina now like that kind of fucking happened quick huh that's what we're doing here so

i thought that was really funny but that that just goes to show you like what sabrid is doing like she's texting jessie too but that was a pity text like hey sorry i know west is your friend but like we're double dating you can come along if you want to but like don't please don't yeah exactly that was a non invite it was an invite not invite but i think part of that is like darrow was able to ingratiate herself fairly seamlessly. Yeah. So I think that, you know, Sabrina and discussing the Sabrina Ben, Sabrina's also a lot more vocal about the whole thing than Dara's not walking around

proclaiming her love for KJ and everything. She's having conversations when it comes up, but it's not forced. So I think that's why they're more of a topic of discussion. And just because she's so fucking quirky, it makes her a good conversation. But Kyle notices that lover boy. non-alc is not on the menu. And they had discussed putting lover boy non-alc on the menu. And now he's upset.

Is this retaliation for the lack of an investment? What's the purpose behind the omission of lover boy? No, not even remotely. It's a soft opening. Dude, it's a soft opening. Like, they're not open yet. They don't have all their ducks at a row. He wanted to showcase the cool drinks that they have.

If people show up and start getting lover. Boy stuff. It's going to take away from softbar. Has nothing to do with your investment. It has nothing to do with the fact that you got him in touch with your merchandise guy, with your shipping manufacturer, whatever the fuck it was, has nothing to do with that. He's not being petty. He has other investors and they want to showcase the cool drinks that have benefits the whole point of softbar now. And I guarantee you, if we go look at the menu right now, they've got non-alculeverboy. And they've probably had it for months. And they probably have had it since they probably had it

opening the back that night it was probably sitting in the back they just didn't have it on the menu because that it would look i'm sorry like i'm not being critical of lover boy it would be a fucking eyesore on that menu if you go down the list you're like wow this is really cool well this is really cool wow this is really cool non-alcoholic lover boy uh yeah i guess that makes sense it's a summer house place you that would take away from everything so no kyle being butt hurt about this was whatever he doesn't really understand but he's losing his mind anyway at this point Amanda putting her hand on Kyle's back and like rubbing fucking patronizing him and rubbing his shoulders like

it's okay buddy don't worry about it we're going to get through this fuck off yeah that was so condescending and patronizing it was actually frustrating to see that yeah that's where we're currently at but to Kyle's credit he doesn't make a thing out of it which he shouldn't and he didn't and I don't think he's good about stuff like that I will give him and I think that's where him being a good friend comes in because he's super supportive of Carl. He's like, man, this is awesome. It all looks so great. Blah, blah, blah,

blah. Jesse, I agree with, I think KJ is the one that said it. I do think that was the fit of the season. I love the soft bar themed fit. It looked great. But Lindsay arrives with Georgina, who I believe is in the city, right? I think so. She's on the cast. So I think that was a yeah, this was like a fucking soft launch for in the city with Daniel there, Andrea there, Lexi. Like, come on. You could argue that they, they almost did a end of the season transition into in the city. I'm surprised they didn't take that episode. I was thinking that afterwards. I wonder if they were going. I mean,

I guess they wouldn't because Labor Day Weekend is always the end. So no, I don't think they would. But yeah, I think this was just like a, hey, familiar faces, by the way, tune in the city. You have to know these people because they're going to be on your screen soon. But I mean, obviously Lindsay's making jokes and digs as she's

walking in and her confessional. Like, I don't want to go drink $25 dollar fruit drinks and blah, blah, but at the root of it, at the root of it, she is being, supportive. She's being nice. She's proud of Carl. She may not ever say that she's proud of Carl. Oh, she did actually. Last night I watched it up his life. But yeah. Yeah. So she's doing it in her own Lindsay way. I thought it was totally fine. She goes up to Carl. She gives him a little bear. You know, she doesn't think about Carl ever. Guys, she never thinks about Carl,

but she makes references to their relationship every time. Yeah, such as I gave you a little bear, something soft in case you need a hug. Ha ha. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yeah. you don't think about this guy ever. But Carl and his confessional was very, very gracious with the whole thing. He's like, I miss her 100%. I was like, whoa, he misses their friendship. And he's like this little moment, even if it's backhanded, you know, thank you, Lindsay for coming. And also, by the way, your feedback is why we're here.

I'm like, a-o, you got one back. Hell yeah. Yeah, good for him. It was nice to see Andrea. I'm excited to see him in the city. Luke is running for office in Minnesota right now. so that's interesting. But we get to Carl's speech.

And it was very heartfelt. Again, it kind of embodies this whole journey that he's been on. And, you know, in honor of his brother and also say, I wouldn't be here without my brother. And he saved my life.

It was just a very, very good speech to kind of tie a bow on, on this soft launch. But, oh boy, what a convo between Sharon and Lindsay. Yeah. I mean,

where do you stand on it? I got to know, because I know where I am. It's funny as shit because obviously we get the cliffhanger before the commercial break where it seems as though it's going to be catty where she's like, hmm, she's mean, a little mean, just like me. And I was like, oh, God, like, don't do that. That's going to be fucking brutal.

Dev was like, no way. Like, I'm sure there's like production. Like she's going to be, she'll be fine. Like cordial. And I was like, okay. And we get to the scene. I thought this was so weak. I thought this was so brutal.

Like just grin and bear it, dude. It's the mother of your ex-fiance. Oh, no, you're on, you're on Sharon side? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just be cordial, dude. Be cordial. Sharon was talking shit on Lindsay.

And like I get it, you know, everything going on with Carl and Lindsay last. She was talking shit on Lindsay last year. Of course, she was. It's her mom. It's his mom. I get it. But if any, like, no, Lindsay does not need to be cool. She can be cordial.

I think that was as close to Lindsay gets. She does not need to be nice to her. You're in the minority by far here. They did. I'm on last night. That's fine. That's not surprising, by the way that you're on that side. I actually voted on Watch Robbins Life and clicked that.

And I was like, I was actually very surprised that 80% went the other way. I was very surprised. It's just, it's such a bad look for Lindsay. Like, it's just unnecessary. It's so easy to just smile. And you can be short. You don't have a conversation. It was, if it was short,

and she was still like mean or whatever, fine. Sharon kept going. She was trying to just end it on a nice note. Because she just wanted to clear the air. She's being an adult. I don't think so. I'm on Lindsay's team for this one. That's fine.

She was wrong. Like it's just be a grown up. That was brutal. But anyway, I can't believe you would have even thought for a second. I would be on your side with that. You know me better than that. I thought we were.

I thought we were on the same team. No, Lindsay looked terrible. but anyway West and Amanda are talking. Yay. And they're talking about the Sierra conversation. And she wanted to punch

Kyle in the face when he interrupted. Like she's like Kyle, like oh my God, like let me talk. Get out of here. Yeah. She's fuck off, dude. It's literally what she was saying with her eyes. I'm on a date.

Yes. Precisely. And she's not even looking at Kyle. It was on like a speed dating show and Kyle popped in. It's like my fucking ex-husband, my annoying ex-husband's get out. Yeah, dude.

It was, I didn't like that at all. We're not really going to talk about the Danielle stuff. We're going to have to talk about it in this city. I don't need to rehash that right now. We're going to have to do it again in a couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. Yeah,

so I'm good with that. But Kyle, sorry, that was more Danielle stuff. No, Jesse and Amanda at the end of the episode are talking. And he lets it slip that, yeah,

it's weird. like Sierra and West are pretty much going on a date after this. And she's like, her eyes get so big. She gets so pissed and uncomfortable. And she's like, well, I guess they're back to being normal friends. That's not friends. That's more. They're going on a, I mean, West has to be cautious.

I don't even think you can handle more than a friendship. Why are you so what's going on? Why also in that moment, again, we've been highlighting Kyle, highlighting West, why West? Why does West have to be? No idea. Sierra needs to be careful. Yes. Like that's the big thing.

Like you should have had the response of, oh shit, is she doing it again? Oh, shit. Is she letting them back in? Like, are we sure about this? How does the house feel about it? We know how that happened. We know what he's done to her and how he's made her feel in the past. Is she ready?

I need to go have a conversation as her best friends with Sierra to get a read on where she's going with this, how she feels. about it and then try to temper her expectations or try to steer her in the wrong direction, like make her back off a little bit so that she doesn't do it. Yeah, no matter what this conversation when we find out the Weston Sierra hanging out and Amanda finds out, we're going to read into it however the fuck we want to. We're going to read into it like Amanda's pissed off that the two of them are hanging out. But if you just look at this just objectively, it was the wrong move no matter what. This is not, at the very least, this is not being a friend of Sierra. It's more

being a friend to West. And I don't care how you phrase it if you try to turn it and say, my phrasing was off. What I really meant to say was he better back the fuck off. Like he needs to be careful around her because it could happen again and he's going to lose all of us. Like that's probably what she's going to do, but no. I mean, we could go around and round in circles, but it's, it's quite clear that she had the wrong approach.

And like, like you were saying, if this didn't even happen, right, if they weren't even boinkin and going behind people's backs. she still was wrong because you should still be concerned about Sierra first, not so that's the glaring, glaringly obvious thing there. But I'm sure we got a bazillion questions. So let's get right. Yeah. Yeah, it always happens.

Here's a good one to start off with from C Hurley 44. Are we all feeling incredibly proud of Carl and so incredibly horrified by West? Yes. Yes. That's a good way to put it. I would like to say now that everybody's on the Carl train, I've been on the Carl train. A lot of you just jumped on and he used to shit on the guy and call him corny and shit. And now you're like, he's so amazing.

I love Carl. I see you. I see you. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. From Simplione, what are the chances that Bailey and Carl will actually give it a shot? They are cute. I don't know.

I think that it's a very slow burn. Bailey last night said multiple times that she loves Carl, but they're not dating. and Lindsay gave her blessing. So I think it might just be a nice slow burn going on there. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're being actually adults about it and understanding that if they get into it, it might fuck the house up.

Yeah. Because even on Watch What Happens Live last night, she alluded to it, but they're not dating, but she had nothing but nice things to say. The door seems to be open there. Yep. Will they walk through it?

I don't know. God, I hope so. They need to get married and kids. Yeah, I agree. From Michaela Kristen, do you think, or yeah, do you think West and Sierra could have worked out a second time if the Amanda's situation didn't happen? No, no. No, because he's shown us who he is.

It's a him problem. That's an interesting way to think about it, though, that West and Sierra, or, yeah, West and Sierra were figuring things out and they were actually moving in the right direction and then Amanda got involved. Yeah, Amanda threw it all off. Oh, no. It was West. Come on. Alex Coydle. So they were fucking already, right?

I think so. I do. I think we're getting close. I don't know yet. The shooter is being very, very objective about the whole thing, which I appreciate. I am not. I do think that they fucked last fall is kind of where I'm going to be. Yeah.

Oh, wow. A three-parter from Katie Nicole 217. Thoughts on Amanda saying she's jokingly made out with Kyle in the leaks. But during the season, when Lindsay tells the girls Jesse wants to make out with Amanda, says who jokingly makes out with someone? That's a good point. I didn't think about that. I didn't either.

It's a good catch there. Let's see. Yeah, Melissa Lang, this episode did not age well. I 100% think the timeline is pre-February. I also think that the timeline is pre-February. I think they're going to hold on to that because they're hoping there's no evidence of the contrary. Correct. Exactly.

I just had to go when I lost it. Yeah, see, there's multiple comments here of like, ambizum. I know it's Lindsay's brand to be snarky, but man, can't you tone it down and be nice to Carl's mom? Yes, absolutely. Carrie DeFalise, we love Lindsay, but she was straight up disrespectful to Carl's mom. These are the correct responses, guys. Thank you. Yeah, whatever they say. Janice Ingram 360. Guys, wasn't this the time that Carl was kind of dating Vanita from Southern Charm? I don't believe it was yet. I do believe it was closer to the winter. Yeah, I think it was like October November.

Yeah. So I don't think we're quite there yet for everybody keeping timelines of the fucking Bravo sphere. Mm-hmm. Um, bum, bum, um, oh, I don't know how you want us to rank this, but from Mrs. Naug Angel or Nagel, uh, rank these. Amanda betrays Sierra. Amanda betrays Kyle.

West betrays Kyle. West betrays Sierra. Uh, many words for us. one Amanda Sierra two but they're those are interchangeable yeah for sure Kyle's four because they were already done yeah whatever the third one was West West Betray's Kyle is probably that's fair yeah but I mean you could argue the top who could be changed for sure yeah do a few more yeah Jacqueline Michelle Crest should Lindsay have even gone to soft bar she dug it Carl the entire time hashtag

grow up. Yeah, the pettiness about Carl, again, Steele always highlights it. Like, she doesn't think about Carl at all. She absolutely does. And yeah, I think it's, if again, if we have the trajectory of their relationship, their friendship, whatever you want to say, the fact that she's there to support him, whether it's for the show or just actual genuine support is good enough. I think her making her comments is just who Lindsay is. She's always going to make her comments. But her showing up means more than her just staying back and making those comments. Yeah, I'm the first. first person to defend Carl always. I am also the first one to say like Lindsay was there supporting her own way.

The only slip up she had was Sharon. Like that's the other stuff like I expected from her and she was being nice, but it's always going to come with a little stank on it because that's just how she rolls. I'm fine with that because that's how Carl accepts and receives it. And if that's how he's receiving it, why should we get upset about him being okay with it? uh this is a long one from uh hildita la del barrio everyone is going to talk about west tv for good reason but can we talk about how kyle has n a lover boy but not realizing carl owes him nothing especially after no investment the uncanny ability to make everything about him disappointed yeah

oh yeah yeah i see how you got there yeah that's that's the logic tracks i yeah i think that at the end of the day, I, I'm saying that Kyle's a good friend. Kyle's very selfish. I know he has been very selfish. And that's indicative of his selfishness. So yeah, I think, I think you got one or two more on a good one. Yeah. Oh, yeah, from Helen J. Haram, 10 year curse.

Scandival happened season 10 too. I mean, we're just hoping that the aftermath of this is not the same as Vanderpombeck. Yeah. Let's just do a couple more people proud of Carl. Yeah. On these two. Hotcakes, 1987, Carl making me ball at his soft bar speech. So, so proud and thankful to see his success.

And Seabick 73016. Not a question, but I'm so incredibly impressed with Carl. He's grown so much. There we go. That's a good. It's an uplift. Yeah. Hell yeah, brother.

Well, we're proud of Carl, too. What a journey. It's been fun to watch. And as per usual, we'll keep our ears to the ground. If we hear anything, we will tell you guys immediately as we've been doing again for the third time. If you haven't listened to our audio leak recap, go back. Because if you do that and then listen to this, everything ties together nicely. And if you didn't listen to that, are you a real fan of Summerhouse?

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