Bros & Shows - Unfortunately We Still Have To Recap (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

What's up bros?? As much as we'd like to continue recapping a show in the current times, that's just not how this works. So we're unfortunately back to recap the episodes from 8 months ago going on an Easter Egg hunt and let's just say, it's really hard to give a damn about other storylines and it's very icky watching Amanda & West. While we try not to dwell on speculation, we still spend about 75% of the episode doing just that! So enjoy as we try to care about whether Dara was in Ben's room for an hour, Lindsay looking for a sugar daddy and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we have to talk about an episode of Summerhouse, but it's going to be really hard to stay on task. Yeah, I mean, it's, it is what we all thought it was going to be. You watch the episode and you just simply don't care. And there's not enough east. I do think they're going to change the editing, but for this episode, there was nothing they could do. They can't re-edit a whole episode to, like, focus on Amanda West as much as possible. There's a little tidbits here and there, and I guess we'll talk about. Lindsay looking for a sugar daddy?

I guess. I was right, though. I told you we would get cliff hung on the Bailey and Darra drama. So, point for me. I don't think that. Yeah, I don't know. You cut the lead to 45 points, I guess. Not even against me, just, you know, in general.

Yeah, just game of life. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it. I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to their episode of Bromph Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Gootlock Holmes. What's up, dude?

How long is that going to last? I don't know. summer house episode until the end probably yeah that's all right i guess it's it's fine um so i i everybody's in the same camp i mean we all watched this episode last night and didn't care there's not what we're supposed to care about like the world's burning down and we're supposed to act like it's not while watching this like oh yeah let's see what ben's doing i don't care about sabrina i don't know Sabreda. I didn't even know her name until you just said it.

I didn't care so much. No, I kind of knew her name. I would have remembered by the time we got to it. But yeah, I mean, there's just simply nothing we can do. I mean, I tried to do like, I guess a brain exercise, if you want to call it that, where I just tried to compartmentalize and say, okay, let's watch this show and see how I would feel, how this season would still be going if we didn't know what was going on currently. and even that was really hard

and I feel like I can do that pretty well my dog just fell on the ground literally just fell on the ground yeah he does this thing where he just kind of like leans really far off the bed and then just falls but he's falling asleep we're talking about Summerhouse the episode and he's like I who fuck cares cares out Scoobies out I hear you

I hear you scoob well I mean we will obviously recap it to the best of our ability I think what we should do first before we get into the episode is we do have a couple of minor updates, uh, just to keep everybody up to speed as to new discoveries, so to speak, where, where people are at. Um, first and foremost, Kyle was interviewed on the street either, I think today, maybe late yesterday. This morning. I think it was this morning. Yeah. Okay. Um, and his biggest concern is actually Amanda's mental health, now, which is kind of the,

I figured that he would respond this way. You know, I think that at the end of the day, he does care about her. So he's more concerned about her being in such a dark place with all of this impending chaos that's about to happen, self-inflicted for sure. But that's where Kyle's currently at. What else do we got? There's some more stuff. There's a lot of social media stuff. So we kind of did this yesterday where we talked about theoretically who would be on whose team.

Is there going to be anybody? trying to defend Amanda and West, which, you know, wouldn't happen. But in some capacity, they would have their backs or at least Amanda's back. I had said I thought maybe Ben could be that outlier where he's in the middle a little bit. No, Ben has unfollowed both of them. And his girlfriend, Sabrina, has unfollowed. Oh, they're together. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, they're still together. Yeah. And she reposted something that Sierra had reposted. Sierra was on the red carpet yesterday for friends and neighbors, the John Hamm Show, who was on Watched Rapids Live last night. I was worried that they weren't going to be able to cover it because a lot of times they do watch Rapids Live earlier in the day.

I think they still did it earlier in the day because they ended up going out to dinner after, but they were able to talk about it. It wasn't nearly as much, though. You could tell, like, Andy wasn't even really prepared because we ended up talking about Southern Charm and Beverly Hills and a lot of other things. Like, we should just have a whole episode about that. So I imagine there's going to be more tonight. Kristen Doty's going to be on tonight for the premiere of the valley.

So he's going to ask her a lot of questions, I'm sure. Other social media stuff, they did track down exactly who the quote unquote girlfriend or exclusive girlfriend West was seeing in Chicago. And now people are on her social medias. She has unfollowed both of them as well. And also Sierra has followed that girl. So we've got a little John Tucker Must Die situation, which I love to see. And if you don't know, if you're not up to speed,

that one apparently west had a girlfriend in chicago an exclusive situation ship i don't know what the hell you want to call it but that's a whole different factor to this thing so if you didn't know that that's what shooter was talking about so sierra's following her i'm i'm with you john tucker must die scenario we love that that's that's great uh and is that it no there's more reports that we didn't really talk about too much where uh there's a lot of crossing lines going on uh You know, again, eyewitness reports, no real photos or anything of West leaving Sierra's apartment a couple weeks ago. And apparently that was happening somewhat frequently. So the two of them could have potentially been hooking up, dating, trying to do something while all of this was going down.

It sounds like a rekindling was a foot. Yeah, a rekindling was definitely a foot, which adds a lot more levity to, you know, what Sierra was going through on top of everything else. There's a chance that they were actually trying to make something work. and then all of this started coming out. So that really fucking sucks too. And yeah, I mean, everybody else is kind of just drawing their line in the sand. I mean, Jesse put out a statement today. Somebody commented about, you know, is he the Tom Schwartz in the situation?

Was he throwing smoke screens out there? He said that he actually asked a couple times as well, which, you know, not corroborated at all. But anybody can say whatever they want. He was in the same boat as Kyle. He asked them a bunch of times too. They both said no a bunch of times as well. So it seems like everybody was in the dark. Like that was the last piece.

We knew that Carl, Lindsay, KJ, Dara, you know, throw anybody else out there. I'm assuming like Paige was probably in the dark as well. So everybody was completely in the dark except for Amanda West. So it just kind of confirms all of that. Yeah, KJ unfollowed them as well, I believe. So you're seeing the fallout happen in real time, like if anyone's questioning whether or not like the severity of this thing to the idiots out there still saying, it's April fool, shut up. we're passed out at this point.

And it's a little wait. I'm going to hold my judgment until 12.01 Thursday. Okay. Cool. Yeah. It's borderline dismissive of Sierra's feelings and what she's going through with this whole thing to be like, it's a joke to stop, you know, read the room maybe a little bit. But we will continue to provide updates.

That was the big one. And it slipped by mind. I'm glad you remembered. It was the fact that apparently there was a potential rekindling of this relationship happening between Sierra and West, which is going to, I mean, look, with Sierra at the Friends and Neighbors premiere, the caption on her Instagram post was fucking great, by the way. It's like, if you can't trust your friends and neighbors, who can you trust?

Hell yeah. So we're all crossing our fingers that we're going to see an Ariadamatics type situation here with Sierra just blowing up. On to bigger and better things. Leave Summerhouse in the dust. Kyle, maybe. Yeah, Kyle also had a DJ set last night. I forget exactly the song that he was playing.

I can find it real quick. But there's a chance. And a lot of people have been saying it. We said it yesterday where he could potentially save lover boy, pull it from the trenches with a potential collab with Sierra. Because he said in the video in his interview on the street, I don't remember who it was that did the interview. But he had said that he's been in contact with Sierra a bunch over the last couple of weeks, pretty much since all of this has been breaking. He's been talking to her a lot. They could do a collab together and it would do absolute numbies.

And just focus on the birch. you know, unfortunately, the one thing that I do remember from, from Scandival, boys lie became a huge thing. And then everybody, every time that a reality TV star was scorned, it was a boys lie sweatshirt laying there. They're very good friends with Amanda. So they're kind of fucked right now. Oh, girls lie.

Yeah, now it's changing. Yeah, just change the branding. That would be my only advice. That was, that was just a funny thing that popped into my head because we have a mutual friend, Jamie, who's who knows the girls. who started Boys Live. And he reached out to me yesterday. He's like, ah, they might be on the hot seat right now.

They can spit it. They're just a merch company. Yeah, that's easy. And that was the other thing. And we got this somewhat wrong because I actually forgot. It's Edie Parker flower. So Edie Parker does cannabis, which I should have known because I bought a pen from that. Oh, the weed company.

Yeah. It's the weed company. That was launching apparel with Amanda completely swapped out their model. And then they started getting hate for it. Like, all right, how are you going to just drop somebody in a business endeavor? because of something they did in their personal life. Like, it's not personal life anymore. It's reality TV.

Unfortunately, when you sign up for reality TV, it's everything. I mean, one, you are absolutely allowed to pull out of a business deal because of somebody's personal life. That's indicative of their character, which represents the company, which represents the brand, which nobody wants a shitty person representing their brand. One, two, as you said, when you're a reality TV star, your life is your brand. So if you're shitty in your life, you're shitty in your business dealings. No? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the amount of people, and I've stopped reading the comments. I know you were, we were talking about this before. You're reading comments and stuff. I just can't, I can't fathom anybody who's trying to figure out a different way to spin this and defend.

What's the point? I don't know. Why do you want to do that? I get like the engagement part of it. Like Twitter makes sense. If people on Twitter want to do it because it's all rage bait. But if you're on Instagram and you're commenting like, let's wait until all the whole,

all the story comes out. Like the story's out. We're done. We're going to get more bad news, if anything. We're not going to get any good news. No. And that goes to the, and I've made a real about this right before we started recording,

but like the racial undertones of this whole thing, if you're a white person in the comments trying to defend that this is not racial, I don't know what the fuck you're doing. I don't know why you're dying on that hill. when KJ Sierra and Mia explained very clearly about what it's like being black on reality TV. On top of that, the countless people from the black community coming out now and saying exactly how they feel about this, how it's affected them, how they received it, all of that. Listen, people are telling you what's up. You don't have to defend.

It's so weird to me. It's like no one's calling you're racist, buddy. But when you comment on it, unprovoked, it makes you seem. kind of racist. Like, just shut up. It's crazy. This is such a weird fallout that we're seeing now,

but I know. It's funny. Oh, yeah, yeah, well, let's jump into this episode as well as we can. It's so funny,

dude, like, because we were watching it last night. Obviously, Dev and I watched it live. And, uh, one,

the funny, here's the funniest thing that's come from this. Jesse seems totally fine now. I was laughing at some of the stuff. I was like, yeah, Jesse's cool. Like,

he's, He was annoying me before now. He's whatever. He's just Jesse. But let's start out because there is some other things going on that that will be important, just continuity and stuff like that. And we start out with Carl and Kyle. This one actually I was paying attention to because we do know that at some point in this season we're going to get a Carl and Kyle. What's the word?

Tiff. They may come to blows. Someone gets chased out of the house, a little frenzy. but Carl opens up the conversation. He's like, look, it seemed like a little preoccupied the last eight or nine months. And Kyle's like, yeah, well, my head's about to come off my body. But the soft bar investment finally gets discussed between these two. And I'm glad Carl took the route of like, look, it just made me kind of sad.

But he also acknowledges, like, you've given me so many opportunities. You give me lots of support. So like that, I appreciate. And I also like that Kyle's like, look, I get it. Like, I don't blame you. you bet on me you want me to bet on you i totally get it but i just am literally not in a position to be able to put any money anywhere considering i'm in the whole he's he's on the hook for like two million dollars yeah does add a layer to this whole thing but the one interesting thing as

we find out later on carl who i thought got what he needed from this conversation i thought he he doesn't he's actually a little irritated that it went this way because and he does bring up a valid point. When you do try to talk to Kyle about anything serious, it always comes back to the stress from lover boy, no matter what the topic is. It's like, yeah, well, I'm so stressed because of the money and because of lover boy. So it's like his concerns take precedence over anyone else trying to have a conversation with him. So that was interesting to me. Yeah, I'm with you. I kind of thought that Carl got what he needed from this conversation. I thought that all of the important points were made. Like maybe it wasn't, maybe it just didn't go how Carl thought it was going to go or how he hoped it was going to go.

Maybe he thought it was going to be like, oh, dude, I didn't know you meant it that way. And we talked about this before just because Carl's asking for an investment. He gave what, was it $15,000, I think, when he invested in the Luffer Boy. At a time where he didn't really have 15K. Yeah. So maybe it was going to be, you know, Kyle may or may not have 15K, but if you're supposed to be reading the spreadsheets, he definitely doesn't have 15K to give. but maybe he thought it was going to go more like we thought when we were talking before like, hey, man, just like show something, show that you care.

Just give me a little bit of something. And Kyle just deflected and said, no, he can't do anything. So maybe Carl's a little ticked off about that. I don't know. It could have just been eating away it up for so long that this just didn't satiate exactly what he wanted. Like it didn't satisfy him. It didn't make him feel like, all right, we had it out.

I understand where he's coming from now so we can move forward. And I was able to share my feelings. He wanted more from that conversation that I didn't expect. And that's Carl's progative. I don't really care, honestly. Because we agree. Just because your company is failing doesn't mean you can't find $15,000 laying around and just give Carl just show like, hey, I see the same thing that you show me. I'm giving you.

Think about it as like a, it's a novelty. I'm giving you your $15,000 back. Here you go. Put it into soft bar, do something, do whatever. And then we could talk about like maybe the conversation could have gone this way. Like, hey, let me figure this all out. Like I've got three months to live essentially, which is what he says. if I can get through all of that, let's talk branding.

Let's talk something. Let's talk a collaboration that we can do with. Like even some sort of business venture that they can do together using both of their entities, do something like that. Like maybe that would be enough to give Carl what he needs. But Kyle didn't do anything like that. He's just like, dude, you know where I'm coming from. You know where I am with lover boy.

It's very stressful. I'm on the hook for $2 million. Like it wasn't the shock in all that I think Kyle thought it was going to be for Carl. Like, oh, okay, I get it. You're, you know, $2 million in the hole. You don't know if you're going to live. Fine. Cool. Let's move forward. I won't ask you again. Instead, it was, come on, man.

Like, I put my heart on the line here. I'm telling you what's going on. I'm telling you that I need something from you. I don't care what it is. It might not have to be monetary, but do something, offer something in return. And maybe it'll get Carl going where he needs to. I think that's the point, right? It's, it's, there's nuances to it such as like, you know, it's just a vote of confidence or a, or a, friend showing up for a friend, take the money part out of it. I understand that he's strapped for cash right now. I don't,

I think if you donated $5,000, like this is all I have, but here's something. I think the underlying point from Carl is, it's never about anyone else's shit. It's always about you and lover boy. And I get it. Like you're going through it,

dire straits, three months to live. That's terrifying for sure. Softbar did not launch. this summer. Right? This has been an ongoing venture. It's been an ongoing thing.

In this moment, they're almost done with the buildout, which took over a year. This has been a very long process. So at some point throughout that process, I think what Carl's really saying, monetary value aside, like, give me some kind of investment.

That's not just you being on my board, because that's, you know, an easy thing to say like, yeah, short, whatever, anything. Just show me that you. give a shit like I've showed you in the past that I give a shit about you and your company. I think that's what it's all about. Yeah. And I agree. But I love Lindsay's new outlook on on love and future. She's like, look, I did the love thing twice in like a one year span

with two different people. Carl and I, that went tragically wrong as everybody watched. And then Turner and I were not together. So I gave it my best shot. I've got a beautiful baby now that's really all I've ever wanted. I want to be comfortable. I want to marry a rich guy and sail off into the sunset and be a sugar baby. And you know what, Lindsay? I love that

for you. And I think you fucking deserve it. Yeah. You've worked your ass off. Look at that apartment's fucking gorgeous. Kick your feet up. Find you a rich dude and just hang out. I'm with it. I love that idea for Lindsay. Yeah, it's the perfect idea for Lindsay. I love the guy

they select because he's walking around. I'm like, that guy's not Lindsay's type. Like, what are we looking at? Are she just looking, which is fine, because it contextually in this conversation, it makes a ton of sense. They're just looking at his Gucci loafers. They're just looking at his Rolex.

I assume we didn't actually see his watch. She's like, yeah, that guy looks like he's got some money. Maybe I can talk to him. What's your deal? Do you own a boat? Oh, she asked that later. Do you own a yacht? Yeah, that was the kayak guy.

That was the kayak guy. Yeah, you know, I like that you think I'm rich. That's the look that I'm going for. Cool. How do you know, or who do you know here? How did you get to this party? Who invited you? I'm really good friends of the Carl.

Lead with that. What do you mean? You know who I am. Why are we doing this? Yeah. Don't sit here and placate because you think you have a shot. As soon as you say Carl, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm out. But I thought it was really funny just because when he walked over, you know, the guy that they pick for, I'm like,

absolutely not. This guy cannot handle Lindsay. And I don't mean that in a bad. It's not a shot at Lindsay. It's just like it's going to take a certain type of dude, right? this man is not that dude, not because he knows Carl. Just simply by vibes. I'm like, yeah, no.

And as she says, Lizzie's like, I'd break that guy in half. I'm like, yeah, you probably would. So he's out unless he's like a billionaire. Then it's like, yeah, go overseas and work for a while. I'll stay home and watch the household. Like everything will be great. I'll see you in a couple of months. I think that's what she wants.

Like, we need to find her like an 85 year old just loaded with like, Yeah, she said 45 and older when she was talking to Jesse earlier in the week. So, yeah. We can find a Tom Gerardi without the felonies. Yeah. That'll work. But we know Dara's there and she's coming in. Oh, and Brandon was that guy's name.

By the way. That was Brandon that walked over in the Lovers. You're welcome. Dara and K.J. and West are talking. It's so hard now, by the way, throughout the whole episode. All I'm really focused on is when. West and Amanda on the screen. And when Sierra is consistently going to bat for Amanda and giving her all the good advice

and like, therefore it's heartbreaking to watch now in real time. It's giving me Scandivalvall Vietnam flashbacks right now. But they're talking about the Bailey stuff, which is starting to get more convoluted because of Dara. Like, I don't know the route that she's taking with this whole thing. It is her first time on reality TV. So maybe she's not aware of the cameras. I'm not entirely sure.

We're going to have a weird moment at the end of this episode. But the other part of it, and I don't know if this kind of like perked your ears up or got your attention, the borderline love bombing confessionals are making me nervous. It's making me think that something happened in that room. Yeah, I mean, the end of the episode makes me think something happened in that room. But in this context, no, I didn't really get that even for the, I actually liked the confessional. because it was more of a continuance of what we talked about in KJ's room with KJ and Dara, where we didn't expect them to meet in the middle.

We didn't expect them to just kind of match each other's energy in that moment, where she actually really appreciated how vulnerable he was and the fact that he opened up. He really appreciated the fact that she was like, no, I've got your back. I understand where you're coming from. I appreciate you talking about all of this. Like it was giving a lot of emotional intelligence. So the confessional was just more of that for me. Like I'm just focused on me and KJ.

We wanted to get that out of the way. We're all good. we're square, it doesn't mean that the rest of it isn't. So that's kind of what I got from the confessional at least. I didn't get any love-bommy reactions from that. Not love-bommi, like, you know, trying to, it seems to me like if something did happen, she's trying to get ahead of it in a way where it's like, look, I'm head over heels about this guy quite clearly.

And I think that they are actually, they're still together. So like, that's the biggest thing to, to remember during this whole thing. They're still together today. And I do really enjoy their relationship. I like them together. I think she's fully. into him. I think when I say love bombing and the confessionals, I think she's trying to soften the blow of what we may find out happened in Ben's room, which again, yeah.

You don't think that there's some transient properties going on right now between West and Amanda. And then you're like, oh, well, everybody else is cheating. Everything's going to go. No, no, no. I was going to say, my second part of this whole thing is if something did happen, her and KJ weren't dating but that's my point like I wish my whole thing's the lie right if something did happen or if you were flirting the door was shut like I wish you would have

said that versus it seems to me that if something happened these confessions are indicative of her trying to soften the book no cheating you're coming from no I know where you're coming from by the way no cheating happened with West and Amanda look where they are so yeah but it feels

cheating it feels different This also lying to somebody who you're, you know, potentially lying. I'm not going to say that she's lying. Potentially lying to a guy that you're basically dating at this point. Yeah. Seems a little cheaty as well. So I'm just saying you're not going to be the only one to do it.

But there is, you know, some residuals coming off where it's like, well, who isn't fucking lying? Everybody's lying. But she is lying. So what's your defense there? She lies at the end of the episode. I'm just saying, I don't blame you for looking at it that way. I didn't get any of those vibes at all. Okay.

The end of the episode... I think you're loved blind, which is so weird that we've switched roles somehow. I know. Well, no, the end of the episode, I don't really need to wait to get there

because who the fuck cares? People are only listening to this to talk about Westin'band. Anyway, the end of the episode, I actually think, and obviously I won't have to wait too long for it to be proven. I think it's fucking production.

I think that they skipped it. I think that she actually does say, well, I did go in bed's room. I wasn't in there for an hour. Like, the end of the episode, she says I didn't go in Ben's room at all. I doubt she actually says that. I think they spun it a little bit.

And then next week, it'll be like, yeah, I was in Ben's room to get changed. I didn't go to Ben's room for an hour and they cut off the four for an hour just to add suspense. Like, we fucking need that. Do we need suspense in this anymore? No. Just tell us what happens. And I agree.

I think that we're going to get a spin zone from production. I agree with you there. I'm just saying based on what we've seen and I just love KJ so much that I just, I want him to be okay always. So that's where I'm coming from. It is very funny. We got to comment because our YouTube recap yesterday is, you know, doing some big numbies. So there's a lot of new people watching us, which we love. But it's very funny. Somebody who had never seen us before is like my first time here. These guys always sound like they hate each other. Did we sound like we sounded like we hated each other yesterday? I don't know. We were on the same page. Yeah, this is,

you know, this is our communication for 20 plus years now. It's always been like this. So we're not changing now. That's what we sound like when we're on the same page and going after the same thing. This would sound a lot worse when we're arguing. I guess so. I don't know. But Carl,

Carl is talking to the boys about the Kyle Convo. And this is where we find out that he doesn't, this was strange to me. But we do find out. I think it might been now. It might have been later. But that. conversation was like an hour and a half in those chairs.

Yeah. Yeah. So the, the little tidbit that we saw made it seem like they were copacetic. I'm assuming the other hour and 28 minutes of that conversation was not productive. And that's probably what Carl's alluding to. So they're setting it up kind of funky. But, you know, he's, he's still on the fence with, with Kyle doesn't know how to address that whole thing. And he wishes Bailey was there. And I wish Bailey was there too. But I, I cannot tell you how fucking. I'm fucking mad I keep getting. When we get these clips of their date, like why,

why did we not see this fucking date? Like, this would have been so good. And we're going to sit there and watch Bailey FaceTime her mom about the date, but we're not going to see the date. Like, give us a rollout now. Put it on fucking peacock.

Just Carl and Bailey's date. See what numbers that does. It's got to skyrocket. Raw and uncut. Hell yeah. That's what we want to see. But we are seeing a little blossoming. romance between Bailey and Carl.

Bailey likes Carl, super nice guy. I believe that was Bailey's mom on the phone. I didn't see the little. It was. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And I love the dynamic between the two of them.

Bailey has had a fantastic first season. It's almost exactly what you want to do on your first season. She's had a little bit of conflict that stuff with Ben. She's had some love interests. She's been fun. She's going out. We're getting to know her. She's very likable in her own personal life.

Like she's hitting all. all the boxes in a very, very good way, a very likable way. And I want her and Carl to date. And I want to watch all of them. I want to be there. I'm going to text Carl and ask him if I can just come and sit at the table. Come on. They're going on dates.

Come on. That would be funny. I wouldn't be surprised if they were taking it so slow that they're actually still on like first base. Just like, yeah, you know, we go on a date like once a week. You know, she comes over to soft bar. We go for a run. You know, we get lunches only.

no dinners, very, very explicit, maybe a coffee date in the morning. That's what we've kind of ventured on to. It's been about nine months of this, and we're both very happy. And only closed mouth kissing. Neither of us have been to each other's apartments. Yeah, it's just, it's going great. It's going so well. Yeah, I just wanted to be awkward and beautiful, awkwardly beautiful romance for them.

But before we get into the, the icky stuff, because we haven't had any icky stuff. because we haven't had any icky scenes yet based on what we know now and then watching the shit transpire. We do see Jesse and Maggie that Maggie is his friend who came from the city love interest, whatever.

I'm not sure if he called her stupid. That's the vibe I got by him saying I'm usually, I'm trying to date a different girl. Usually I'm in like, you know, bubbly and corporate types. Are you calling her dumb? I don't, yeah, I don't know what that meant. I don't really understand it.

The two of them are not together anymore, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah. Who the fuck cares? I don't know. This might just be the spin. You know, Jesse needed the wake-up call that he got with the Sierra situation. And maybe he's looking for love now. Maybe he's going to be the next bachelor.

Who knows? God, no. No. Maybe. Maybe he will be on the Bachelorette. How about that? That I'm actually in for. Yeah.

That, but that Bachelorette is in samples right now, thanks to Taylor, Frankie Paul. I don't know what the fuck they're going to do. That was their big move to try to, like, bring relevance back to the show. And it could not have gone worse. Like, literally, the only way it could have gone worse is if she actually murdered somebody. But they could probably sell the, because they have the whole thing filmed. They could just sell it for millions and millions of dollars. On the black market.

Put on the dark web. Someone to buy it in crypto. All right. All right. Let's get icky. Sierra Mia and Lindsay are talking and the Kyle and Amanda stuff comes up. Now, we don't know. We assumed, obviously, that Amanda's not up on the financials,

confirmed that she's not. There is no pre-nup, which means that she is on the hook for these loans as well, which is a whole different layer to this whole thing. None of that really matters to me. I guess this is Sierra Mia and Lindsay, not, I thought Amanda's not there. So they're talking about it. Different couple. And they're figuring out without,

Amanda that oh shit is Amanda on the hook yes she is on the hook so now they're concerned from a whole different aspect about the financial situation of those two because the whole underlying message that they're having right now is the separation conversation they all think that kyle and amanda should get separated they don't know how to approach the topic and now we're getting an extra layer to that where it's like yeah she might be happier but she might be fucking bankrupt when this whole thing is said and done so they're worried about the girl which is just heartbreaking again. You see Sierra like really upset about this whole thing, trying to figure out the best way for Amanda to move forward. It's so icky. It just, it gets worse too as we continue

to go through this whole thing. But ittier, Ikeyer scene. Yeah, this is going to be a much achier scene. Yeah. These scenes are always going to be really tough. Yeah, like we get to like West and Amanda. Yeah, West and Amanda talking individually is going to be really tough. But these are also, God, Kyle's going to get a glow up from all of this, the more that we see about West convincing him. But yeah, for whatever reason, Kyle goes inside to his DJ equipment. I think that's his safe space. I think when things are going wrong, he gets behind the board and he's like,

you know what? I feel a little better. I'm going to touch some of these knobs and buttons and press play on my iPhone, and I feel better. I'm safe here behind the board. I'm going to feel safe about all of this. But, you know, unbeknownst to me because I completely forgot where we were in the storyline, we're talking again about what Kyle said to Amanda on Friday night, where he said,

fuck you to her. And there is no resolution to this because Kyle still hasn't really apologized or even remotely apologized at all. And West is, it's going to be so tough to go at this in like a pragmatic way. Because I want to say like West is going about this in the right way. but is the right way really the wrong way? His intentions are fucked because for all intents and purposes, what we found out thus far,

him and Amanda at this juncture are more than likely a thing in some capacity. I don't know if they've been going to out, but they're flirting at the very least. At the very least, there's some heavy flirting going on. Now, all we can do is take the evidence that we've been given and make some deductions of what's been going on.

based on Kyle saying that you've spent more time with West over the last six months than me leads me to think that this has already begun. All right. So with that in mind, or at the very least, you could say that it's on West's mind going into this conference. He's at very least thinking about having something with him. Yeah,

he's very overly caring about Amanda. But this could be damage control. Like maybe he has some feelings, but he doesn't want to have feelings. things. So he's going closer to Kyle and trying to help Kyle through this whole thing to make I think it's a smoke screen entirely. I think that they're already involved.

And I think that this is a move to try to just, I'm just basing this off of the six months that they've been hanging out. That's what makes it so shitty. Like, I mean, hopefully we find out sooner than later so we can make some like better judgment calls here. But it'll be similar to Scandibald. I mean, Scandival, we never really got the full scope of everything. Like, we had the time.

that we had some timeline. We still, at the very end of it, had inklings that they started well before all of that, but we just all kind of moved on because we never really got the confirmation. I think it's going to be the same thing here. I'm still not even like holding out hope, because I don't really fucking care anymore. Until I get evidence that it started well before it actually started, which, you know, right now the confirmation, quote unquote, is around the Super Bowl. So we'll go January, February, around snow day is when they were really hanging out and really hot and heavy.

but Amanda had already put out the post about her and Kyle breaking up. So, you know, lines haven't been crossed at that point. Yes, you can read further into the fall and the winter. Sure. I'm not at this juncture willing to go back to July or early August and say they're definitely a thing. I'm saying there's flirting going on. Maybe he's got some feelings, sure. But I don't think that in my brain, I don't know if they hooked up.

So I'm not going to say it. But obviously everybody else is well within their right to when they do something like this. Right. And I'm going to. I think at the very least there's an emotional cheating going on between the two of them. The whole point is this. His intentions in this conversation, I do think, are one, to protect an image and two, to gauge the situation to seem like he's not. Like, this is almost throwing up a smokescreen. Like, I'm not into your wife. I told you, I wanted you to figure it out with her. Like, that's the vibe that is giving me. And again, timelines will hopefully come out. We'll have a. or grasp on everything. But he's saying, and that's the other thing that now knowing what we know, it's like, okay, this is the first time that we've seen Wes go to bat for somebody.

Right. It's the first time that we've really seen him stand up for anybody in the house, stand up for a woman in the house. And it happens to be Amanda. And then we find out that there are a thing. So in my head, this is more about defending. his girl than it is about Kyle and Amanda's marriage in whatever capacity you want to read into at this point. But I thought this was slimy as shit. But it also makes West weirdly feel good

like he's helping out and doing the right thing. And the bigger thing is because of this, Amanda is going to be like, oh my God, he stood up for me. Oh my God. Kyle never did that for me. She absolutely does that when Jesse talks to her in a little bit. But yeah, this whole conversation is just get get down to Amanda go apologize get through it figure everything else out stop telling us what you should be telling Amanda which you know it's true removing people but it's all very true like that's exactly what Kyle should be doing and we've seen this time and time again whether it's Carl whether it's West whether it's Jesse whoever it might be it always takes a dude to pull Kyle aside to be like hey man what the fuck's going on go

apologize to your wife then he gets all these things off of his chest he's like It is confessional. You know, everybody's looking at me like, hey, you should go apologize to her. But nobody's looking at Amanda. And I would really love it if they looked at Amanda and said, hey, go hang out with your husband. Go show your husband some love, which a week ago, if this came out, it would be laughable. This week, it's like, fuck, is Kyle on to something? Does he know what's going on?

Does he know? And the other part of all of this that we didn't really talk about yesterday, I'm going to reintroduce the separation timeline. because I think that plays a huge part. I still think Kyle and Amanda are lying about when they got separated. I agree with that. Before the summer, they have yet to show up to the summer house together. They always have an excuse.

They're always, and nobody's really talking about that aspect because we talked about it in the beginning of the season like, oh, Kyle and Amanda don't really seem like their own great terms. They announced their separation in the fall, which was after Summerhouse. But we always thought like, yeah, they probably got separated during the summer.

everything in this show has shown us, they probably got separated before the 4th of July. So we don't know if they're even together at this point. So now it's like, oh, fuck, maybe West and Amanda are a thing, but they're not blowing the whole thing up because they don't want to talk about it because now they're not really separated in the public eye.

So we don't really know what the timeline is. So there's so many different components that come into all of this. And we really don't know. So this whole fucking thing could have just been for show. Maybe some people knew that they were actually separated, but they weren't allowed to talk about it. So when we're talking to Kyle about going to apologize to your wife and he's getting all but hurt, like, hey, you should tell her to hang out with me. They might be trying to repair their relationship because they're separated.

We don't know because they won't fucking tell us and they never will because it doesn't really matter unless Amanda just immediately stands up at the reunion and says, we've actually been separated since June and we didn't want to tell anybody. That could be a big bombshell that kind of throws things into haywire for a little bit, but it's not going to solve anything. It's not going to fix anything because it's still all fucked up on different levels. no one is looking at this like, wow, that's really fucked up for Kyle. Everybody's looking at it like it's fucked up for Sierra. It's fucked up for Amanda and West to do this to everybody else and keep everybody else in the dark.

No one's looking at it like, well, you know, Kyle and Amanda, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, this whole timeline's going to shake the earth. Like, no, it's not really. We want to find out what West and Amanda started hooking up. That's going to be the big question. That's going to kind of put everything into perspective just how fucking slimy this is.

It's already really, fucking slimy, but it has a potential to be the slimyest ever, which will hopefully find out. Hopefully we don't get left hanging on that one. But, you know, lines like this hit much harder when he's like, I know they mean well, but they could also give Amanda and say, hey, when you're flirting with West and all those guys, like maybe come give your husband some attention. It's like, uh, that paired with the, you know, spend more time with what he had no idea. I don't think he's implying that, you know, West and a man.

and were a thing. But that's my other question is his questioning of those two. Is that only in regards to the rumors? Or did he start questioning things earlier? Because he's pointed out now twice this summer, the amount of time that she spent with West and the obvious flirting that she's done with West. So now this is what sucks that we don't have the full pictures because now we sit here and go, well, that's weird. Is that weird? That could be weird. Maybe that's weird. We told you yesterday this was going to happen. I told you it was going to happen today. So here we are trying to decipher through this pile of shit and we don't really know. But it's, it's captivating. It is captain. Not for, not for the storylines on the show. No, I don't know.

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you know we're in trouble is being thrown around like our our marriage is in trouble i'm sorry about last night why to take you so long to say something why not say a first thing which again this whole thing that's going on does not exonerate kyle's behaviors like we are still holding him accountable for being an asshole and dude why didn't you say sorry amanda's bullshit aside. Like the first thing you should have done is even if your excuse the next day is, well, you know, I had to process it. I had to understand why I told you to fuck off.

It's like, no. You say sorry and then go ponder. Like you're sorry regardless of the reason you come up with for why you said it. You should be sorry. I wonder if there's a situation where he was doing the sorry butt for so long, but now he's retold into, I needed time to process. it so I don't hit you with a sorry butt because I could see him doing that for a very long time. And I know what happens where he would apologize and then say, but you made me feel a type of way.

And it just immediately negates the sorry. So he's like, wait, how can I fix this? Let me just not apologize right away. And let me really think about why I'm doing this. And then I'll apologize. And then I'm still going to do some semblance of a sorry butt. But it's better than what I was doing before. So I am growing.

Like it could be something like that, which is very funny. That's actually, that has some. merit to it, I think. He's trying to relearn how to apologize. Yeah. Because he's so fucking bad at it. So yeah, this situation doesn't clear that stuff up. He was still an asshole. Like they got to where they got to in their marriage for a lot of reasons. What this really is highlighting because so many of us, myself included, were guilty of just throwing it all on Kyle. Well, she would be acting this way if you were more attentive. Based on what's going on now, you already alluded to it earlier.

It's like, well, were we looking at the thing with blinders on? Because Kyle's so easy to pick out. Yeah. Probably. Like I think like you said, you called attention to him saying, I want her to,

like give me more attention. Now we're sitting here going, probably, you know, she's probably not blameless. She probably did cold shoulder you more than you needed to. And that does, that probably is hard.

I can't reiterate enough, guys, because I know we're going to get comments like, you, Kyle, sympathizers. I'm not exonerating Kyle. Okay, we just have to say all of the things because this whole thing's different now. Yeah. We also are going to point out that he's going to get some sort of good glow up at it, where he'll be able to just kind of do whatever the hell he wants. Yes.

Yes. That's, it's going to happen. But anyhow, we get to the next day. I will give Dara a lot of props. she made a soaking joke. So, Bravo, well done. We love a good Mormon joke.

So nicely done there. And her and KJ clearly do have something. Like I don't, my preamble earlier, like I'm not taking you away. Like they do seem to really like each other. I'm rooting for them. And I agree with her.

KJ is super handsome and super cool. So be nice to him. I'll agree. Let's celebrate Sierra for a second. Huh? Because she, deserves it. We find out something really cool. Her grandparents had a house in North Carolina, I believe. It might have been south, but in the Carolinas. And as she says, she popped around a lot in

her childhood. Her mom and her dad moved a lot. So she was here. She was there. But the one centerpiece of her life was always her grandparents house. She's in a position in her life where she can buy that house. And she found out it was going up for sale. She wanted to keep it in the family. So she did. She bought it. She's renovating it. I think her parents are moving. moving back into it, which is incredible. It's just such a cool journey that we've seen Sierra on. And obviously knowing that she was the only black member of this cast for so long and watching this trajectory she's been on to the point where she's now buying a home for her parents.

Like things are going really well. And hopefully, despite all of this bullshit that she's going through right now, this will only continue to get better and better. But I just thought this was such a great scene. Mia, what a hype girl. Like, we all need a Mia in our life. She's awesome. She's given Sierra the props that she really needs.

Because we've seen things in the past where, you know, something good's going on with Sierra. And you got Amanda like, oh, that's great. But like, we got like an actual hype girl for her now. Yeah. Which is a real friend. Yeah. Exactly. She's a real friend.

And that's, that's important because what pissed me off. And now I'm just nitpicking because I don't like her anymore. Don't piggyback on me. Am I going, yeah, Amanda. Yeah, she does that. Shut up. Isn't it picky? But yeah, I like it.

Yeah, just shut up. Don't piggyback. No, Sierra and Ben talk about Sabrina real quick. We find out that he is reaching out to her to try to rekindle things. You know, he hopes he has a miss his chance. As we know, they're currently together. So clearly it works out for them. Whatever.

Let's keep moving. Yeah, whatever. Because Kyle and Amanda sit down to talk. and this was their sober conversation. And you can see them trying to root through everything. In this moment, based on body language and convo, I do think that they still love each other. Like I didn't get that Amanda's totally out in this moment.

I didn't get the Kyle's totally out. I got, we're in a lot of fucking trouble right now. I don't know how to move forward. You don't know how to move forward. The funny thing is they both want the same thing. but they are missing each other because Kyle wants Amanda to be nice to him. Amanda wants Kyle to be nice to him, but Amanda's not going to be nice to Kyle until Kyle stops being a dick to Amanda.

So around and around we go, there's budding heads. At the end of the day, all they really want is to be nice. But it can't happen. Yeah. It just simply can't happen. And look,

I mean, all these conversations are just going to get completely lost in the mix with everything else because it's like, okay, it's not like we expect Kyle and Amanda to get back to a good place and we're rooting for it. And then all of a sudden we get this news and it's like, fuck, Amanda cheated on Kyle. It's like, no, we know where this ends up.

But we can at least piece together they get back to an amicable place, which I guess is good enough for now. And we'll have to see where that goes. But it's just going to make you feel worse at the end of the day because of all the things that they've done in the current times. Now, what the current events have done for a conversation like this, as we've already discussed a little bit, is it does make me more open

to listening to what Kyle's saying about their current situation, which I would not have done if I didn't hear all of these shenanigans currently going on. So when he's saying, you know, we're in a weird place,

you're talking negative about me. I said, fuck you, blah, blah, blah. I'm an asshole, but I don't feel like you want to be with me. And now when we take that and go back in seasons past,

Obviously, their marriage has been on the rocks for a while. When you really think about all the digs that Amanda takes, constantly, okay, it's always a drag Kyle moment. Ha, ha, ha, yeah, blah, blah. She does it in this episode, but I come back for you guys, not for him. In the midst of all of this shit going on, she still makes a little dig. So the more you see it, the more you start to question, okay, we know Kyle's faults. And this doesn't excuse Kyle's faults.

Those are all still major reasons why their marriage got so rocky in the first place. the late nights, the drinking, the DJing, without a doubt. But was she distant? Did she push him away? Was she not giving me anything? Was she getting tired of feeling like she's taking jabs at him 24-7? Was that also a much bigger factor than we may have given credence to because we were so quick to be like, well, Kyle's just a fucking mess?

Yeah, I mean, it's a very funny conversation to have given what's going on now. Who could have thought that we would ever even. and give this conversation any sort of credence. Not me. I don't know. It feels weird to cut me out of my mouth. Yeah, I don't think I'm ready to have that conversation. I don't think, I think, I think that's part of the frenzy.

Again, that's one of those things where it's like, yeah, I mean, you could absolutely have that conversation. It doesn't mean you should. It doesn't mean that it's different. I mean, you could, I think, focus in on maybe not the whole marriage. Let's not do that. But you could say for this summer. she's been very distant.

You could look into that. I think that's fair. I think that's fully fair game to do that timeline-wise. I don't think we should be going back and reviewing. If you want to look at Amanda's behavior towards other girls and friends, absolutely go back as far as you want. That's completely fine. But with Kyle and Amanda's marriage, no.

I think that you can look at this summer in a nutshell and try to figure out, you know, again, it'll help you figure out a timeline with her in West. When she was fully giving up with Kyle, was she looking to other people? Maybe, sure, okay. go into Ben a little bit because we have to talk about that at some point this season, fine. But anything past that, no, no. It's all Kyle's behavior before that. Yeah, I think we need to keep it bottled up to that just to keep the chaos as contained as we possibly can.

And that makes more sense. So, yeah, all right, we'll take it to that route. Amidst trying to potentially fix their marriage, did she actually give it a fair chance? Or was she so quick to be like, meh, poke, jab, fuck you, Kyle, that she really didn't give it a good chance. In this summer, no. I think, but and again, both can be true. Like, yeah, was she looking elsewhere?

Fine. I mean, we've said it the whole time, even before we knew about West and Amanda, that this was over. Amanda decided it was over before it even started this summer. So, yeah, I don't know. And again, it brings me back to where they actually separated this entire summer, probably. So I don't know. I think over the last year, I think that there was a sticking point.

And unfortunately, I don't think it was during summer. I think it was while Kyle was away, doing DJ stuff in the interim in the off season, if you want to call it that. And then by the time we got back to summer, I think Amanda had already been done. I think that she had already given up. She had already started poking and prodding. And we were already doing the song and dance of who's going to step out first. Who's going to end up destroying or divorcing or whatever it might be to their marriage at the end of the day?

But unfortunately, again, you know, we only have those conversations in the beginning of the summer to go off of where she's saying you weren't here for weeks. You're gone for long weekends. You come home. you're exhausted, you're going to love her boy, you're doing this, you're doing that, you have no time for our marriage. Let's chalk it up to like last February, like last January, somewhere around there where Kyle's in Montreal doing DJ gigs and she's at home with the dogs getting high on the couch, just, I guess not really enjoying her life, but just not doing anything and just

or like to go to marriage. Yeah, I see like, yeah, I don't want to do any of that right now. But yeah, I mean, again, they opened the door to that. We thought yesterday. They have opened the door to do all of those things. It doesn't mean I'm personally going to do it, but you could open the door and just go back as long as you want to. I mean, people are already doing it. And one of my favorite things that I saw today, which doesn't have really anything to do with this, but for all of the chaos that's been ensuing over the last 24 hours and all the people that are going to go back and watch Summerhouse who haven't watched it before, maybe they picked it up in like season nine.

And they're not really tuned in online, but this is news that just kind of circumvents all of that and everybody finds out about it. If you go back and you're watching and you're a first time watcher, how jarring of an experience. it would be in season two when you run into Erica Kirk. That's fucking great. And you don't know it. And you're just like, oh, yeah, this is a fun scene between Carl introducing his friends. Oh, my God, it's Erica Kirk. Holy shit.

What are we doing? Why is this not bigger news? It was bigger news in our circles, but, you know, maybe not to everybody else. But yeah, that's one thing that's very funny me for all the people going back to watch. Yeah, if you're like the new watchers are going to be like, oh, my. Yeah. Yep. Carl's friend Erica setting up with Jordan.

Yeah. What? Fresh out the orphanage in Romania. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's fucking banana land. But the conversation ends with pretty much, why are we not putting in the work? Will you do couples therapy?

I love you, but I feel like we need to be in a partnership and do it together. I just want to feel love. So do I. In a nutshell, without everything else, this conversation pretty much tells you. do like they're just not on the same page this is not going the way they wanted to go give it everything else involved who the fuck knows like that's where we yeah i'm always going to be the speculative one here shooters usually more straight and narrow until we get more information but the reality of the situation is we can sit here and speculate all day until we get a

timeline it's really hard to deduce who's not who's in the wrong obviously man is in the wrong but as far as their marriage goes, the falling apart of that, how much was she culpable in this entire thing? Because at the end of the day, we will never retract how much we've shit on Kyle for his behaviors. Like that all still is 100% true. So don't get a twist to just because I'm bringing up some.

That's the other thing too. And we've talked about it too. Amanda is a mandible. Amanda is in a lot of different ways in the marriage because she married a guy knowing fully who he was and expected him to change. I mean, we've seen that so many times, not only on Bravo, but in real life. Yeah, you expected this guy to change.

He showed you exactly who he was. Yeah, maybe he was lying to you and saying, I'm going to change. I'm going to do this. We're going to have kids. We're going to move to New Jersey. We're going to move out of the city. It was never going to happen. We all knew it was never going to happen.

At times, obviously, you feel bad for Amanda. And in those times when you felt bad for Amanda, you don't have to go back and and be like, wow, I can't believe I ever felt bad for her. She did what she did years later. I mean, we've been talking about this for 10 years at this point. He's just, he's done her wrong every other way. So no, we should not go back to 2017 first year of Summerhouse and be like, wow, Amanda, you were always a terrible person. Like she did a terrible thing.

She was probably a terrible friend along the way. And those are the things that we're going to see along the way. But no, you can't go back and be like, Amanda's the real problem in this marriage. It's like, no, Kyle's still the real problem. But Amanda never really gave it a chance in certain instances. So yes, if you fall on that side of the coin, that's fine by me. Yeah. And I think another good point from that.

is pointing out the fact that you may have given her a pass for certain things. So this is separate from her marriage, separate from Kyle, separate from the cheating. Like you said, her being a friend to people, her being a quote unquote girl's girl when she quite clearly was not, you can look at her behaviors now and scrutinize them more because now we know that she has some characters, some pretty serious character flaws. So if you want to look at it through that lens, like was I looking at Amanda through Rose colored glasses this whole time? Sure.

Sure. But yeah, I think it's a dangerous game if you go back to like, 2017, 2018 and be like, oh, it started here. It's like, well, let's reel it in, everybody. It's going to get wacky before this thing's all said and done. So the episode ends with Lindsay's, I mean, this place must be 40 grand a month. Like that is a gorgeous apartment in New York City. I was like, it's, is proud the right word? Is that patronizing? I don't know. Like, you just, holy shit. Like, she's done so well for herself.

And we get, you know, the chaos of Lindsay watching her on Summerhouse year and year out. You know, she's vital to the show because she has these massive blowups. She's emotionally charged. She has great one-liner. She doesn't take any shit. She's our go-to when we need somebody in the house checked. Like, that's all the things that we look at Lindsay.

But when you go to her professional. side of things, the influencing, the brand deals, all the stuff that she does, she's very good at what she does. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like it is, if you really look at her career, if you take the summer house out of it and look at what she's accomplished as far as her professional career is gone, it's incredibly impressive.

And it's totally separate from summer house. And she might have gotten to start from summer house, but she's capitalized and done a tremendous job. And this apartment is indicative of that. So it's just a cool moment, you know. That was the, the, the, the one thought that I had during this scene, everybody's kind of showing up.

People online have speculated that Dara has like schemed her way on the show and she's scheming her way into KJ's like relationships so that she can continue to be on the show. And I always thought that those are funny and they don't really have any gravity to them for me. But her walking in, she was amazed. She's like,

oh my God, this place is gorgeous. This is beautiful. And then the back of my brain, I'm like, she's thinking this could be me. Just a couple years on Summerhouse. I'll be fine.

This is going to be great. I'm going to be living in a place like this in like six years. This is going to be awesome. But no, I don't really think that she's thinking that. I just thought it was a funny moment. But like you said, and you knew it, we were going to get left on a cliffhanger that nobody really cares about anymore. Because Levi and Daley are both there at Lindsay's open house at her housewarming apartment gift exchange piano playing. Housewarming apartment gift exchange piano player.

The piano took me out. I was like, she's doing it all. And I love it. She's doing so much. And you know what? Lindsay can never do too much. But yeah, we get left on that cliffhanger because we see Derek going right over to Bailey. I got a bone to pick with you.

What happened last week? You told Lindsay, who then told KJ, because I walk in and KJ is just in dismay all over the place and his emotions. Because you told Lindsay that I was in Ben's room down at the summer house for an hour? Yeah. I mean, were you not in Ben's room? I don't know. Am I wrong about that? No, I wasn't in Ben's room.

End of the episode. I do think they're going to spin it. It's going to be production bullshit where they edited it to make it seem different. They cut off the end of the sentence or she just rectifies the statement. She's like, no, yeah, I was in Ben's room, but it wasn't for an hour is probably how we're going to lead off next episode. It's annoying that they do that. And it's annoying that they do that now because none of us really give a shit about this. Yeah, you know, I'm hoping that's the route it goes.

I agree with you. I think that's where we're headed. We're about to get to questions. and I just, I know they're all going to be West and Sierra Amanda centric, which is funny. It has nothing to do with the episode probably. But yeah, I keep coming back to the fact that they're still together. So I'm assuming whatever did actually happen wasn't that damning. Yeah.

I'm hoping against all hope that this is not news to KJ, that he's not watching the season going, oh shit that would suck but one i do believe productions being a little shifty and two i don't care because no yeah that's the main thing are together this doesn't matter yeah and the other big part of that is west is in in italy at a wedding so are we even going to get him in the episode next week probably not that's a good point i wanted to be there or was that this weekend and they're at amanda's during the week i imagine they're at I imagine they're at Lindsay's during the week. I think it's a weekday thing because they don't want to interfere.

Yeah, maybe. I guess we'll see. Yeah, we'll get to some questions here. And I see the first one, which non-West and Amanda question, I'm going to read them from Tay Kessner. So did Darley at the end or do we think that was editing? I think it was editing. I think it was editing too.

I will say this. If it is a lie, what a weird, weird fucking move. And that would be the most bizarre thing ever. Like we watched it happen. We don't know the duration. We don't know what happened, but we do know you were in there. And there's cameras. And this might be a learning experience for Dara.

I feel like we always get this moment with newbies in one way or another where they're reminded like, oh, right, everything's on camera. This could be that. But I'm assuming productions being weird. From C-Rite Fam 6 is West defending his girlfriend to her husband's face. It's hard not to look at it like that. Bell Bella GR 1985. Why do you got to do this? I know Steele's a crier like I am.

So were there tears when Sierra spoke about the house? I got choked up. Yes, I did. Yep. Why do you got to do me like that? You got to highlight that. From Haha Leo. I don't know if I can watch this anymore.

Do you think it's intrusive to Sierra to pick cameras back up? We talked about this yesterday. In my brain, I mean, it's Summerhouse. They're not going to pick up cameras in April. If they do it, they'll do it like they did it with Carl and Lindsay where we just have like kind of a powwow where we talk about what they went through and how it ended up where it was. Or how stupid that was though. Yeah, it was really stupid and we looked forward to it the whole time. It's the same thing as when Page and Craig broke up and we got a weird powwow with Shep, Craig and Austin where they were sitting there talking about it.

We got nothing from that. I don't think it makes any sense to pick cameras back up for Summerhouse now for in the city. They might try to pick cameras back up, but they still have the reunion to film for this. So they're going to do that afterwards if they are going to do it. Yep, pretty much. Ooh, that's a deep one. We'll end on that one. Let's see if we can piece it together.

I like that. Okay. So from Madison Senefanti, do you think the KJ will have an issue with Dara in real life since now she's fully lying about being in Ben's room? like she's totally denying even going in there, screams liar, wait until next week. And then we'll revisit that question. Exactly. That's a good question if it is what it looks like it is at the end of this episode. But again, we still think that there's a little editing magic going on right now.

Yeah. It's going to be exonerated pretty quickly. And that was my scared theory of, oh, God, is KJ going to see this for the first time? And oh, God, this is going to be a big deal. We don't know. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, we got to watch and wait. Oh, wait, are you doing the whiteboard one?

Is that the one that you're waiting on? No. Okay. So from Aaron D. Gregorio, do we think the West two friends will do a whiteboard breakdown at the scandal? That would be the broadcast boys. We've talked to them before. We were supposed to collab with them. Yeah, we were supposed to collab with them before they started getting into reality TV.

I mean, I think they're going to have to because it's kind of their schick now that they do that. I mean, they did it with Taylor Frankie Paul a couple of weeks ago. They've done it with a lot of things. West is on that show a lot. Like, he really is. I think they have ties to complex, too, which doesn't help the situation. But I think we know. For integrity, you have to.

You're going to have to do it. We got a comment on our YouTube video that said journalism is back and it's my favorite one of we've ever gotten. I know. I saw that and then it escaped me and I couldn't find it again. It is my favorite comment we've ever gotten. Let's see. I love that one.

Wild one. From Cat Lee P. 86. No. From Samantha Malamo. Okay. Catley P. 86. Does Kyle saying keep it in the family when talking about Sierra's house hit different now? Yeah.

A little bit. A lot of things are going to hit a lot different, though. Just because of where we're at, normally I wouldn't read something like this. but given the gravity of the situation, it's funny. Samantha Balsamo asks, not related to the episode, but can we talk about how they're definitely in a Coke-fueled romance? Jesus Christ. Amanda doesn't strike me as a Cokey, though.

I don't either, but she's, they've been parted in a lot. I'm not going to say that either of them are doing anything. I just thought that was a funny question. Uh, from Lindsay Bucks, Lindsay saying, hi, Carl is the new, hello, Newman. Their interactions are very funny now. They are incredibly funny. watching the two of them interact. The fact that Carl got invited, yeah, maybe it's, look, I don't want to think this way,

but maybe the show or Bravo said, hey, you got to invite Carl to your house warming since you're on the show and he's on the show. We need to see this interaction. I like to think that Lindsay invited Carl because she wants to, wants him to see her beautiful new apartment. And that's, it's petty in the funniest ways. Yep. I love it.

I love it. All of their interactions are great. And I thought Carl handled the whole thing well, getting a gift, gift for Gemma, him explaining that it's going to be a cool moment because the books about New York is just fucking gold. It's incredible. Let's see. What else do we got in here? I'll do a couple more.

Marissa and Palm, is there a scenario where Lindsay and Carl can repair their friendship? Absolutely. Honestly, jokes aside, like they could genuinely become not awkward friends. If he keeps taking it on the chin and then we have this whole scandal to go around where clearly Carl, Lindsay, you're on the same side. I mean, it might actually push them closer to friendship. Yeah, I could definitely, like in a couple of years, like two seasons,

if they're still in the show, of Carl's on in the city in some capacity, I would imagine that we'll see them have a fairly normal looking friendship. I don't think it's always going to be this awkward, unfortunately, for us at home. But yeah, I think the groundwork is there. I think they're both in a different place in their life. And I think Carl's genuinely happy for her. So yeah, I see them being friends. Yeah.

From Crystal Leanne, not taking credit, but I heard somebody call this scandal a mess, all one word. I, funny enough, in the scene where Carl and Kyle are talking, he's wearing a badge

and it probably says like old and awesome or something, but it only focused in on AWES, and I thought that was very funny. I don't know why.

Mehta. Very meta. I'll do a couple more. I think that's the one that you're waiting on. Why don't you just read the one that you're waiting on? From Katrina.

Nope, not that one. You go and I'll go. Or I'll go and then you go because you've got that one for the end that you've been waiting. From Bina XO, I'm sorry I already asked, but do you think Amanda would have done the same thing to Page? No. Yeah, I don't think so. I think she's afraid of page. Nope.

I don't think she would have. And that's where the racial undertones enter the conversation again, whether you want to hear that or not. So that's a big part of it. Yep. Katrina asks, this one's deep. So that's why I saved it. What's the bro's psycho analysis on why West is the way that he is? I think that for his whole life off camera,

West has been able to move however he wants to because he's very charming. And I think if you're one of the dudes, he's probably one of the best friends you can have. And I think that's disarming. And I think because he's disarming, he's been able to move however he wants to. Now that he's in the spotlight, those old behaviors are coming back out and he's getting cut.

And I think a big part is he had that the backlash from Sierra a couple years ago. He had a decent season last year. He had a great offseason. If you were paying attention to West this off season, he really gained a lot of traction in the complex world, like his sports interviewing job. He's made a pretty big leap there. He's been going to all the events.

He's been hanging out with fucking Tom Brady and all of these huge names. And I think that he forgot the lesson that he learned two years prior. And I think he got cocky. I think he got reckless. And I think those old behaviors came back out. And I can move how I want to move because I'm a nice guy. And it's coming back to bite him in the ass. Yep.

It's a good assessment. I just saw something on Twitter and we'll end on this, but crazy days and nights who does blind items, just like Du Ma. Somebody found a blind item from June 5th, 2025. This seasonal house reality star is cheating on her significant other seasonal house reality star would be summer house. The replies back then were Amanda, Amanda and Kyle, and then somebody said, they're both seeing other people and they have been since the fall. the male counterpart is sloppily open about it and openly sharing that he's waiting until this summer to file for divorce as a storyline on quote-unquote his show. So that adds to the mix of what I was talking about earlier with the timeline of which everybody's forgetting about the timeline of Amanda and Kyle actually being separated because they were probably separate well before even that. I agree.

Let's throw that into there. That doesn't excuse anything happening. No, because the behavior is completely separate from that. But this isn't like even if you're going back far and you're like, oh, my. God, if Amanda and West were hooking up, that means that they were cheating on Kyle. Like, maybe not. We don't know who she was cheating with also. You know, like, that's the thing.

So we don't, like, that's, yeah, that's the shitty part about stuff like this is like, well, one of the shitty parts about recapping stuff like this, I should say, is this is all we can do until we get more. And we're going to hit our point where it's like, that's all we're going to get, which is what happened with Scandival. We got most with Scandival, but there are still questions about. like the exact timeline and everything like that um so we just have to wait and see i mean it's all going to really come down to the reunion and what route west and amanda take i hope and pray even though i'm not religious that they just cop to it and take it on the chin not that that's going to do anything as far as repairing their reputation but like that's what the other people on that stage deserve.

That's, I mean, Sierra above everybody else. Like, she deserves that. She deserves for you. If you are actually friends with her at any point, and West, if you actually cared about her at any point, she deserves complete transparency at the end of the day.

Just out of respect. But don't think that's going to happen. I think they're both going to be cowards. And time will tell. But we're going to have to do more of these until the reunion. So that's going to be interesting. Yes, we are. It's going to be very, we're going to lose more and more interest to the actual show.

Yeah, I know. Because more is going to come out and we're just going to end up getting like, we're going to meet each week to discuss what we know now, probably. For sure. That's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. All good here.

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