Bros & Shows - Vander-Paused Rules (Vanderpump Rules Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

What is up Bros? We are 2 days away from our show in DC and we can't wait. But first, we got some VPR. We just found out that VPR is officially PAUSED moving forward... But in this episode the gang heads to San Francisco for Kyle Chan's event. We get an update on Something About Her and we learn little bit more about Penny. Scheana and Sandoval clear the air and become friends again despite the many times Sandoval has been rude to her. Lala has her 33rd birthday party, where Scheana and Lala discuss the group being able to move forward with Sandoval. In front of Ariana. Again. We get to meet Dan finally and he and Ariana do seem very happy together. When the crew gets to San Francisco, Sandoval and Schwartz agree to move in together, which im sure won't go horribly wrong. Brock attempts to have a heart to heart with Ariana about forgiveness which was laughable, and Ariana gives him one of the best breakdowns of the situation we've heard all season. Shut up Brock. Schwartz and Katie continue to show chemistry but despite some efforts for a one night stand, it appears they will remain just friends. Scheana and Sandoval have ANOTHER heart to heart about Dan, Ariana and she asks him if he can take accountability... Again... At least this time Sandoval actually apologizes in his confessional. But this season has been a bit of a drag. Its repetitive and just flat out boring... Can the pause fix the show? or is it time for VPR to go. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros.

Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only scutes mcchutes what's up dude a little double dip today for the boys yeah we have a little uh twofer a little twofer you're only going to get one at a time though yeah it's a twofer for us a one for you right that's tough to say but uh hey let's actually take this opportunity go watch martha's vineyard because we just did a recap on that and it makes way more sense for us to tell you to go watch it on a different podcast than it

would on the recap for martha's vineyard yeah i do that every time we're recapping martha's And I'm like, if you're not watching this show, and I know people listen to us that don't watch other shows, which is amazing. Thank you for still supporting. Yep. But it does make more sense to plug it on this show. If you're not watching Martha's Vineyard, it really is a great show. Like, we've loved this season. Season one was great.

It's really starting to get good now, too. And the whole season's been good. But this episode in particular that we just recapped was amazing. So go watch Martha's Vineyard. Do it. And we are going to be talking about VPR right now. Yes. We had a little sit down, watch that, instead of watching the Sixers, because we love you,

and because we already know and don't care about the Sixers right now. The Sixers broke our arms. We do care. We just know what's going to happen, so, yeah. I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen. And yeah, we had to watch party for VPR, as we like to do, because we like to record right afterwards, where our thoughts are fresh in our heads. But with the Sixers, they're going to win tonight by one point.

Like I said, they are going to blow them out in Game 6. We're going to get to game 7, and then they're going to shit the bed, because it's Philadelphia. Or they're going to lose while we're recording this. I hope so. Just end my misery. Save us some time. End my misery at this point. I just can't.

I can't. It breaks my heart. But let's get pumped up. Let's get on. For a show that does not get me pumped up. Vander pumped up. Right? Vander.

More like Vander Dump, am I right? Well, some breaking news while we were watching the show. Apparently, they are putting the show on pause, but it is not canceled. Correct. There's still reports coming out. Obviously, everybody's got their sources. and nobody knows if those sources are real but sources are saying

it is paused for sure we know that much they're not going to be recording the summer and they are not cancelled and other reports are saying that the cast apparently hates each other which is very funny to say considering last year at the reunion they definitely hated each other or at least they all hated one person

one guy one and a half if you want to throw shorts in there well two and a half because I mean they hated Raquel too she wasn't on the cast anymore and they didn't have to film with her but that's kind of funny to say, considering where we were last year. Now, all of a sudden, everybody hates each other and they won't. I think it's just a ploy because they don't know what the show looks like anymore,

which is the right move, because this show sucks. It's a tough show. It's gotten really boring. Again, we were midway through this show, and I was like, what are we going to talk about? There's not a whole lot to talk about. And the other thing, as far as them hating each other, makes a lot of sense, honestly, because look how this season shook out. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you see where people's allegiance is like.

they kind of cast ariana to the side, especially after the season finished filming and the reunion finished filming, and apparently the reunion's, like, very volatile. Yeah. Lala is going on this, like, press tour of pretty much anti-Ariana talk. I know.

And if that, she's anti-Ariana, it means she's anti-Kady, which means that there's a faction there. And then that means that Sheena and Lala are probably still tights. You have those two. You got the Tom's are apparently getting married and moving in together.

Correct. You just have, you have so many splits in this show that I truly don't know what route they would take moving forward unless they're taking this time to figure out who wants to come back, who wants to move on from the show. Are there people going over to the valley? Are they going to recast and get younger people onto the show? Are these current cast members going to take on like a mentor role? I have no clue what the future of the show is because

this shit will not carry into another season. Yeah, no, this does not work. And I'd rather than figure this out now instead of watching whatever the hell they're going to put out there next year with this exact same cast because we'll be right back to season nine where everybody was calling for it to get canceled to begin with so I don't know what they're doing thankfully they're putting it on pause so at least they can try to figure it out it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense especially because all the stuff that's happening off screen is way more interesting than the stuff that's happening on screen we get with la la's tirade that you just talked about we also get joe's Instagram lives which are just an absolute fucking nightmare and like there's just so much more

out there to talk about that's VPR-centric, but not on the screen. It's almost like you could make a VPR social media show. That would be more captivating in what we're seeing right now. Don't do that. No, please don't do that. I'm just saying. You could do that with any franchise at this point. That's the problem, honestly.

And that's what Salt Lake did so well during their season was not being that present on social media and allowing for that season to kind of blossom into what it was, which was, you know, Meredith was still catching up on her DMs. Yeah, right. I mean, she has to catch up on her correspondence and everything. But, like, we talk about that a lot. We go back to that a lot, the blueprint for a Bravo show in don't tell everybody what's happening all the time.

Take your time, let it come out because then it makes for a much better TV. This was impossible to do with VPR, I think, because it was so much social media-driven and everybody's digging into everything, trying to figure out where everybody stands. And you also get updates from the cast constantly as to where they are now. And you're getting arguably recaps from them in what they're putting out there on either their podcast or their like social media lives. Like we're getting up to date updates throughout the season on where they stand now. And what that does, it derails the show because what you're watching in not in real time when you know what's going on now. It's like, well, this is, this is irrelevant.

What I'm watching doesn't matter because I know where they are now. We're just sitting and waiting for the other shoe to drop because we know. eventually Ariana and Lala have a huge falling out, and that happens at the reunion. We've heard that a million times. So now we're just watching and waiting to see how that happens. It does it transpire during the season or not, or does it all happen during the reunion? We know where Tom is. We knew that people were ingratiating Tom back into their group well before the season even started.

So, you know, shit like that is the stuff that bothers me. You know I always talk about watching clips and stuff before. But this is way, way, way worse. And what we're seeing right now is just, it's tough to watch. And it's not even like, It's not even a hate watch. Like, at least when we hate watched OC, we had a little bit of ups and downs where we, you know,

we were hate watching it, but it was fun to hate watch for like a few episodes in there. Yeah, I agree. This isn't even fun to hate watch. It's just boring as hell. It's just really, yeah, it's just boring. And it's a bummer. And this was what we discussed at the end of last season,

you know, after the reunion, we were talking about it. And just, it's going to be hard to replicate what they did in Scandival. Yeah. and what they needed to, or what I thought they should try to do, is get away from it. Like, they're going, obviously you have to touch on what's going on post-Scanadvo, where everybody's at, but the fact that they've morphed this season into Tom's comeback, almost, is crazy. Because, again, real time, today, he's still as much of an asshole as he was back then. And we know that because of all the podcasts he's been on, the stuff that he said on his own podcast,

what he's still doing at his shows. All of those things tell you who he is. He's not changed at all. So you're watching all this stuff, you know, his confessionals and the heart-to-heart's machina and all of this bullshit. You know, like, none of this is true. And you guys have framed it as a Sandoval redemption arc,

which is ridiculous because the guy's not redeemable. So I think they missed. I think they whiffed on this season. I think it's unfortunate. I think that it was a very tall order to expect that they could captivate an audience like they did last year. and I think that they honestly went about it the wrong way.

Yeah, they definitely do it. And there's too many hands in there. They're trying to change the storylines, trying to overproduce whatever we're doing. Like, we watched in real time as Lisa sat down with Sheena and Lala and tried to produce the show. Oh, yeah. And we've watched Lala carry that out to a T

with all the steps that she's made the entire time. And it was actually, I don't know if you saw this clip. Doty was on a podcast. I don't know if it was her own or something. But she called Lala like a producer. dream she is she's going to do any of the things that a producer thinks is going to further the show and when she takes it under her own hands to go do whatever she thinks is going to be best for the show then all of a sudden it's just unwatchable and we know we can call it out because

we watch so many of these shows you can easily see the things that are manufactured and it's just a dumb season they could have just let it go but i think they were just too afraid that tom was going to be in a bad place and i get that to an extent if he was really going off the deep end but you're seeing right now that he's automatically back in and now all of a sudden he's back to the old Tom. Yeah. So it just did nothing. He's not even back to the old Tom.

He never changed. And I think you see that in how he talks to people and how he always feels like he needs to defend himself when a lot of people in the group in the attempt to bring him back into the fold, they've tried to give him out where it's like, dude, just say this, just apologize and shut up. And even then he's like, yeah, but. So, and I hope it would.

be really interesting if somebody would take the time i don't know how to do it so i can't but to go back and cut the edits of scenes with ariana and then scenes with tom like the what the background music was what they were trying to frame it like oh yeah we watch it in sand of all scenes it's sad music sentimental music and this and not yeah yeah if you go to ariana scenes it's almost like uh oh what's she gonna do next right and that's crazy it's like no let's not spin this narrative because you guys are trying to forcibly push the sand of all redemption arc, which no one's buying. Nobody's buying except for fucking, what's his name?

What's his stupid Jason? His stupid-ass drummer. He's the only one that's like, it's working, we're great. He's great because he wants to bang Tom. So it's just weird. It was a weird approach. I don't know why they would try to frame Ariana anything other than the woman that was completely fucked by this whole thing. I don't know why they would try to get us back on good terms with Tom

Like you don't have to do that You didn't have to have a redemption arc You didn't have to vilify You could have just like put a camera on let it play out See what happens Let them do what they're going to do If they're still mad at them and they don't trust them Then they're going to be mad at them and they're not going to trust them

Show that Yeah don't force them to try to let them back in Because it's Tom Of course he's going to change so It's just all bullshit And if you wonder why we're going on this long preamble About how much we dislike this show It's because there was

nothing to talk about in this episode. Yeah, we have to fill the time. We have to fill the time as much as we possibly can because we are going to move on quickly from each scene. Yeah, exactly. Let's just stop wasting time and jump into the nothing episode of San Francisco. Let's do it. We start out with something about her. We find out, and we knew this already once again, because of social media, that Anne is working there for Ariana. So the transition has been made official. She is now working for her, which is great. It seems like a much better fit for her. And I think it's a good, like, in between.

You don't want her to be your personal assistant because then it's obvious I stole her from Tom. Right. And she's a little too close to the situation. So you throw her in something about her. Yeah, it's perfect. And I think that, like I said, it's a good fit. It makes a lot of sense. And they're talking about their opening woes, as we know, like the code violations.

And in this episode, multiple times it comes up, like, well, when is it opening up? And they both are tired of that question. We know for a fact, I think it's, I know. fair fact it's May this month coming up. I don't know why, but I think I saw 23rd. So it's the 20-something. They're opening up something about her finally. So

LVP arrives and just asks about the process and about Penny specifically. And once again, thanks to social media, we know that Penny is a little sketch. Penny actually was working with them to try to get this place open. It turns out that she was making more

demands of what her role should be. Katie and Ariano would be the sole owners of this business. And I firmly believe, or sorry, not believe that. I firmly agree with that to where there's no outside influence. If they can afford to do it, that's what they should do. That's what they are doing. Good for them. Penny wanted to take on a bigger role. So they offered her salary plus 10% profit from the place, from that location, which I think is a decent deal. For sure. She wants more. I think what it sounds like is she wants to be brought in as a partner. Yeah, she wants ownership stake, which they're not giving her. And so in return, what she ended up doing,

she either trademarked or copyrighted something about her. So now they can't trademark or copyright that. Which is shady as fuck. Sure, but also pretty dumb on Ariana and Katie's part to not get that trademarked immediately. You open a business, just trademarked. It should have, but they didn't. But you wouldn't expect the woman that's attempting to help you open to slide in. Definitely not, but I mean, anyone could have done it.

Like any sleuth on Instagram or wherever, they were selling so much. much merch about it like that's the thing that really doesn't make sense to me how much merch for something about her were they selling they sold six figures worth right so wouldn't your first move be oh wow this is really good we can make a ton of money off of merch it's something about her let's trademark that let's copyright that it's interesting i mean i don't know and i don't know how they did that and there's i don't think chef penny was even like on the radar at that point really uh no she was in there early because she was part of the entire scheme i believe like she took on maybe they just asked her to do well they have lawyers so that that's something's not adding up there i not her so

nice but we move on and we get chino with kail chan and sand of all arrives and they're talking about kyle chan's big opening event which i believe is the season finale yeah that's in san francisco right that's why they're there yes that is why they're there yeah i i have to imagine we're getting close to the season finale if it's not next week it's got to be the following But they're just talking about, like, the party and the recap of everything. And Sandvall is just like, you know, I'm really sorry. Like, I shouldn't have brought up stuff from the past. Here's the thing, dude.

Every single time that there is an altercation like this, he always goes back and throws a low blow. Fast forward for whatever fucking reason. I do not understand it. I don't get it. This same conversation happens. I'm sorry I shouldn't have done that. It's okay, Tom. we're cool now why because of your friendship from 10 years like i get it you missed the guy that

you thought you knew he has shown you over and over and over and over he's not a good dude and yet you keep letting him back in you know what the funny thing is we talked about this last year and i think it was during the reunion how many people were out there saying all right everybody get off your high horse la james whoever you've all done all of this shit sheena you've all done these types of things so yeah you can be mad at them for what he did but don't act like you didn't do something similar and i think tom heard that and now he's putting it into like weapon form and going after them but the difference between well no i know the difference between us sitting here saying it and tom saying it is huge well that i'm saying more so the difference between tom and

the rest of the cast is the rest of the cast has owned up to the dumb shit they've backed you take an ownership and said yeah i was a piece of shit i apologize to everybody i heard and we moved on. Tom has yet to do that. This episode is the first time in a confessional at the end that we hear him say, like, yeah, it was my fault about Ariana. That's the first real time, and I don't even think it was real, but that's the first time we've heard him verbalized.

Like, yes, my bad. It's on me. So, no, I think it's different, whereas, you know, Sheena is aware that she was the other woman. Sheena, in the first episode of Vanderpump Rules, that's how they crossed it over because Brandy Glanbill was there, and she even, like, apologizes. So, like, that out of the gate is different.

So I don't think it's the same thing. No, it's definitely not the same thing. But honestly, when it comes to Tom, do you blame him for not saying sorry at this point? He's been getting through and getting back to the group without saying sorry. It's crazy. Like, for his ego. And obviously, I'm not saying, like, I don't want him to say.

Sorry, that would be an insane thing to say. But Tom sitting there going through all of this, he has gotten back in everybody's good graces. Obviously, yeah, he's got issues when it comes to Sheena, but then he can pull her right back in. Somebody like Schwartz, same thing. Brock is now out there advocating. for him. He's done all of this without actually admitting

fault. Which is crazy. Which is insane. So if you're Tom, why would you do it? Do you think that like the vast majority of the group is so jealous of Ariana's success that that's why they're pushing the entire cast is? No, seriously. Like, think about it. They're all on this show to further their own careers. I still think the James thing is that he wants male companionship, but yeah, the rest of them, you could definitely convinced me. Think about it. Because Brock, Brock is so bummed out

that he no longer has a career. Brock is apparently the star of the show now. Dude, that's a whole different story. Why is he on the screen so much? I don't know, but like he is so verbal about the fact that he had a dream. He wants this and he wants that. He wanted all these things to go well. That's happening for Ariana. So, Brock could easily be jealous.

Sheena. Sheena wants to be a star. I love the idea that Brock is jealous of Ariana. She wants to be a star. She wants to sing this and that. She wants to dance with the stars, too. Ariana is not. Ariana is not only on Broadway singing, she's doing dancing with the stars, so she is jealous. Lala, obviously, because she's out here right now trying to say that she's not jealous of her, so dragging her any chance she gets.

She drags her this episode with Dan. I think you can make an argument that there is a deep-rooted jealousy amongst the group because Arian is being successful right now, and that's ridiculous. And I think that maybe that's, like, because here's what I struggle with is trying to understand why it was so easy for Sandoval to worm his way back into the group. Because if you really, like, lay it out in the timeline, if we had our flowchart here, how many episodes... Did you see somebody tied this in a flowchart? It was great.

It was with the podcast boys who actually, we were going to do a collab with, like, way back, and it fell through. But the whole thing is, like, trying to understand the why. He had, what, two or three episodes where he got dragged, like really dragged, and that was it. And then you had the conversation with James and the conversation with Schwartz, then with Sheena, and the Domino's just started to fall. and I wonder if that is because they're just jealous of Ariana. Because this cast, I mean, they're a bunch of jealous fucks. They are a bunch of jealous fucks, yeah. So, ooh, just saying.

Ooh, but Sheena's response to the shouldn't have brought up stuff is that's literally why I wasn't going to put the song out. At no point was she not planning on dropping this song. Yeah. Like, that's, that's a lot. I realized that it was going to drop that week and you were going through a lot. Sure. You're lying. Yeah, whatever.

You're lying to him. Yeah, whatever you say. Yeah. Did you soften the blow by telling him he's in the song now? Because at no point did you say, hey, if this is too much, I'm not going to drop the song. You said, hey, I added a lie and you're in it now. It's just one line. It drops, by the way.

It dropped this morning. She told him that after the song dropped. So no, you're lying. But then she starts crying and brings up the same thing. We've had this conversation. We've watched this conversation a couple of times. I always remember how good of a friend you were But I had to pick sides

And I want to be back there again And he's in He's fine Right back in It's crazy dude Like he just called you the other woman In front of everybody else It takes one interaction

You guys are cool again That doesn't make sense Nope Anywho we get to Katie and Lala And there's a FaceTime With Sandoval Where he gets uninvited to a party He wasn't invited to

Which was fucking awesome I love that But we get to the actual birthday itself and uh again not a whole lot to talk about we get brock is apparently this is the biggest crock of shit yeah dude this is the biggest crock of shit where this is like he what does he say he said i was a mormon i was raised in the mormon church yeah and every time that i see a naked girl around me i feel like a little a little boy a little dancing girl around me i get really awkward because like a little boy me i can't like nah you're lying because you're

sitting next to Sheena, and you're, like, trying to be awkward, like, I don't like this stuff. Not all liking it at all, Shana. Get her out of here. That was Aussie. Sorry. That was good. I did get called out because I say Aussie, and some of our Aussie listeners said it's Aussie, O-Z-I-E, not Aussie.

Ozzy-O-S-Born? That's how it's pronounced more. It's not Aussie. It's an Aussie, so I apologize to our... However you want to spell it, the point being, I mispronounced it. So to our Aussie listeners, Aussie listeners, I apologize that I was saying. You take an accountability. I tried to.

And breaking news, the Sixers just tied it up to send it to overtime. As I predicted, we are going to win this game. Send us to the six game, blow him out, game seven, tragedy. But back to Vanderpump. While they're at Lala's birthday party, Sheena brings up Tom. Ariane is sitting right next to Lala, and they start talking about Sandoval. She's like, you know, I just told him, like, I miss you, and I want to move forward and, like, coexist and this and that.

And Lala obviously joins into this whole thing. She's like, yeah, like, we could do that. She echoes it, and she's like, yeah, I really feel like you can get back to a good friendship with him in due time. Why? Right next to Ariana. And Ariana's like, I feel like I'm being gaslit. I'm like, yeah, yeah, you are.

You 100% are. It's almost as though they're forgetting the gravity of what happened. It's unbelievably ludicrous. It is ludicrous. And look, I know that there's a lot. a lot of people out there that are like, you know, they have to move on eventually and they don't have to always be, you know, secure with Ariana's feelings. They should be able to be friends. Like, okay, fine, on your own time. Don't ignore her next, directly next to you and have a conversation

about her ex like that. It's crazy. That's crazy. But that's, it's intentional. Yeah. That's the whole thing. And that's where the jealousy factor comes back in. They're like, nah, she's fine. We're going to just be, it's ludicrous. It is ridiculous. It's ludicrous. It's ludicrous. But Ontario, the wait is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget online casino is live. Bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips. Whether you're a seasoned player or just starting, signing up is fast and simple.

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Here, the most popular fiction podcast of all time, which the New York Times described as what might occur if David Lynch was a producer at your local radio station. Welcome to Night Vale is a twice-monthly update from a small desert town, where the paranormal is real. Every conspiracy theory is true, and we all have to get on with our lives anyway. Welcome to Night Vale is available wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. Big news to share it, right? Yes, huge, monumental, earth-shaking.

Heartbeat sound effect, big. Mait's back. That's right. After a brief snack nap. We're coming back. We're picking snacks? We're eating snacks. We're raiding snacks.

Like the snackologist we were born to be. Mates is back. Mike and Tom, eat snacks. Wherever you get your podcast. Unless you get them from a snack machine, in which case, call us. Call us. We get to meet Dan in person finally, and big props, Ariana, medium air steak. Fuck yeah.

We get so many people on these shows, so many people on Bravo order their steak. Medium well, well done. Hockey pucks. Hockey puck. It's just ridiculous. So let's share a little bit here. Okay. Let's share how you felt about Dan before you met Dan.

I don't want to do this. Why? Because I don't feel like taking any shots at our. on after my side and that's fair I'm just I want to get to this season scathed but

they're talking about San Fran and you know obviously San Deval is going to be there Dan's like I'm good I don't need to talk to him I need to see him we do get an interesting trip out of Dan because he pretty much makes himself invisible the whole time yeah he really does

and there's a lot of reports out there beforehand that he has no interest about being on the show and you know obviously we're going to talk about whether or not that's true or he's actively avoiding Sandoval. Like one of the two obviously has to be true. But I really don't know what to think. And obviously he's going to have this conversation with Ariana and just say, yeah, I have no interest in meeting the guy. Why would you?

Like this is weird enough to begin with that you're on a TV show with your ex that cheated on you. And it's six months later. And we're trying to build something over here. So yeah, I'm not going to take the time to talk to this lunatic who's laying in the hotel bed saying maybe I should do what she did the tea. no you don't get to do that it's a different situation very different situation you cheated on your girlfriend of seven years and you're going to turn around and do this 10 there you go there you go yeah I don't know I always think seven for some reason no no as much intense it's a big difference it's a big difference big difference but they talk about the long distance being actually a positive thing and I actually really agreed with this sentiment where it's like we our relationship is entirely based on communicating because it's all we can do we can only talk because he's in New York I'm over here in L.A. So, yeah, I think a lot of people were saying this was quick, that she was quick to move on and get in a relationship with Dan. But I really appreciated that breakdown.

I'm like, yeah, well, all they do is talk. All they do is talk. They get to know each other and he's still there. Yeah. Yeah. And they're still. You really need. Is she happy?

Sure. Yeah. They seem genuinely happy together. So good. So that should be it. It gives a shit about the timing. Correct. Yeah.

Agreed. But we move on and it's pre-show. We get to go. backstage of a Tom Sandoval in the most extras. Thank God I always wanted to do that. We get to see Jason again who has to be loving

the fact that he gets to be on TV because Sandival has no friends. Bro, we got five minutes. We got five minutes. We got to go right now, five minutes. We got a this is a very serious show. We're not just singing covers the entire time. Oh, but yes, we actually know. No, there's why. I know. I was being serious that time. Yeah, we actually had to sing our own song tonight.

Oh, but Joe's there and my entire opinion of Joseph Joseph is there and after the lives like she just plays too different like she plays the role of like the oh I'm just so sweet in this and that you watch your live it's like oh no you're vindictive yeah she sucks she fucking blows dude but like well you know what she's out in the live right yeah which part what the one that all right the one that stands out to me the most I mean she took a dig at Katie yeah like the question was did you ever blow Schwartz. Yeah, of course I did. Maybe Katie would still be around. If she would do that more off than fuck off, Joe. Yeah, dude, it had nothing to do with Katie. Fucking weird. She's so

weird, dude. Every time, and I know that there was a point in time we're like, all right, she's getting bullied. Like, it's not fun to watch. That was me saying that. I know. Well, it's still not fun to watch, but she deserves it. You said that last week. Somebody commented, Shooter was a savage this episode. I was like, she deserved it. She did. You don't take shots of Katie. She deserves it for being as weird as she is, let alone this. No, no, no, no. No, don't do that people can be weird and not get shit for it okay you're the less weirdos out there no dude knock it off you're allowed to act how you want it you can be weird there's nothing wrong with being weird that weird yeah if you are as long as you're not a dick if you're a nice person i don't care

how weird you are as long as you treat people well it's tough to watch dude the robot voice it can make you uncomfortable you can be awkward if she does the robot voice and she's not on instagram live being a total asshole no problem is it awkward no problem no little problem why would i have an issue with anybody who's, if you're a good person and you being a certain way and acting a certain way makes you happy, I have zero issues. I don't want to watch it on TV. That's fine, but weirdo. But you can't drag someone for just being weird.

I think that's shit. Yeah, but I can drag her. Because she's mean. That's my point. If you're just weird, no, I have no problem with you. Zero. Do you? Yeah, I'm a little weird.

I'm pretty sure. You're a little weird. I'm weird as fuck. But like, that's my whole thing. I don't get my, and now I'm going to go on a little bit of a tirade. And I'm going to stop it quickly. Don't worry. I don't understand why.

anybody gives a shit what other people do with their life as long as they're a good... If you're a good person, I do not care what you're doing with your life. It is none of my fucking business, nor is it anybody else's.

If you want to be weird and act and do a robot voice, but you treat people well, go about your business. Not my business. Just don't do it around me. Don't do it around you because you're kind of an asshole too.

I don't like what you knows. Keep it to yourself, all right? Don't, don't yuck other people's yums because it makes you uncomfortable. It's incredible that that, That phrase is not a sexual phrase. Yuck you're young. Isn't it?

I know, right? Yeah, it always makes me feel weird when I say it. Yeah, I don't like saying it. What's a different one? There is another way to say it. Don't, uh, don't harsh my mellow. That's way better. Yeah, don't harsh my mouth.

Don't harsh other people's mellows for being weird. There you go. There you go. No, I'm just saying there you go for getting right place. I'm just saying you do that. I'll do whatever the hell I want. I know. I'm just saying it's okay to be weird.

Joe's an asshole. That's the difference. Anyway, we watch Shwe. Gets give her a list of mixed signals, as he had just said, we need some separation and, like, this is where we stand. We're just friends. I'm going to marry this girl in eight years. Bro.

The fuck. It's ridiculous. Yeah. This whole, that's what this episode is going to be called. Ludacris. Vanderdump. But we get to the airport or on the way to the airport. And this, I think you see, and obviously the confessionals are taped after.

like a little while after. So at some point in the last, I want to say month of this, or not two weeks of this being filmed, Lala had made her shift to the other side entirely because she's taking shots at Dan. Yeah. Where she's like, Dan's there and she's like, I just think it's pretty weird that like he's here

and like this happens so fast. There's just something about him. I don't know. It's not that it's just that. She's also going into the fact that Ariana is talking about him and happy about him. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, but if somebody comes over and this is just like that, Lala's just miserable in her own way and she's, I think honestly, I think she's completely turned off of the idea of having a relationship. So now she's outlook, her outlook towards other women who are in relationships is, all right, but like, don't be annoying about it. Do you think- And Ariana is sitting there just talking up, Dan, who she hasn't met yet, who she's very happy with. And Lala has a problem with that. Yeah. What's your issue? Have you met the guy yet? No. Okay, shut the fuck up.

No, when she does, she can't stop checking him out. which I think was uncomfortable. But do you think that her response to relationships and to Ariana's happiness in particular with a new relationship, do you think that her relationship, and I'm not trying to give her an out, I'm just trying to understand from a psychological standpoint, is that a reflection of what Randall did to her

and, like, she's so untrustworthy of dudes now that she's always skeptical? I think there's an argument to be made for that. I don't want to give her an out. I'm just saying, is that she jaded because of that? And that's why she's... I mean, they're definitely. could be, but there's also so many people

out there that just hate to see other people happy when they're miserable. Yeah, that could be it. So I think I'm just easily just pointing to that. Just playing devil's advocate here. It's playing devil's advocate, but you get Schwartz and Sandy at the bay, and you can't tell me that this scene wasn't produced. All right, we're going to have you guys propose to each other in front

of Alcatraz, uh, and by propose, I mean, they are moving in together? Are they moving in together? Are they living together now? I don't believe so. We don't No, though. We don't know. We know everything else that happens in this world. It's just, like, this is the perfect example of how this season went.

Everyone's out on Tom. Everybody's out. He worked his way all the way into, hey, we're going to move in together. Not only that, the rest of the crew is cool with it, too. Yeah. And it makes sense to them. Is the word macrocosm a word? It is now.

It sure is now. If a microcosm is a micro, yeah, it has to be, right? So I feel like this is a macrocosm of their relationship. Like, this is a big thing that Tom Sandoval wore down Tom Schwartz over, what, three weeks of filming maybe? Max. Max. From, hey, do you want to live with me at this house and pay $6,000 a month plus getting a loan out together to, yeah, you know what? I've given it some thought and I think I should live with you.

Like it went from Schwartz just not being into it at all and being completely against it. to getting him handcuffs and handing them over to him. That's how their relationship goes. That's their friendship. Crazy, bro. It's like your initial thought process was correct. This financially seems like a horrible decision. Correct.

Go back to that. Not as makes sense now. Not even financially. It's just the saddest thing I've ever heard. You know what? A 40-year-old men move in together and they think it's a bachelor pad? Yeah. Brutal.

Yeah. And the worst part is Bravo is probably thinking about making a show about it. It's Andy. Kill me now. Just do it. But we get to the boat ride, and Tom's reminiscing about he and Ariana's first trip to San Francisco with Lala, which is bizarre. And at least Lala didn't bite on that one. She's like, yeah, okay.

Yeah. Big thing here, though, this pissed me off. Why do boys want to drive the boat? Because it's fucking cool. Because it's fucking cool. And you know what's just as cool as driving the boat? We're in the captain's hat? Where in the captain's hat?

Yeah. And honking the horn. Damn right. That's a great time. That's all I need. Also, driving a boat out there, a big boat like that, when are you going to get that opportunity? On the waves? On the waves?

And I get to honk the horn? And there's no issues with it. The captain's letting you do it? That's a blast. Big time in. Don't you yuck our yums. We're simple people. Okay?

We are. Give us a boat, a horn, and a captain's hat. I'm good. Anywho. We can have a great time. Damn right, we will. But we get Brock and Ariana having a conversation post boat ride. And this was an interesting conversation.

and I don't really know why Brock took it upon himself to be this person where he's having this heart to heart with her about the apologies and moving on with Sandoval and like do you see any future with Sandoval like any kind of moving forward and this is the perfect response for whose benefit at least Brock said for Sheena's benefit not for the benefit of the group, but even then, Ariana, another great clapback. Oh, you mean Sheena, who I saw get yelled at by this guy in front of everybody not two nights ago? That Sheena? Yeah, because I have her best interest at heart because I love her more than anything, I'm trying to tell her what a bad idea this is. He tries to go on some tirade about forgiveness and she breaks it down very well. She's

like, look, all of my emotions are valid in this, whether it's me being strong, me having a tough day, me yelling, me getting sad. It doesn't matter. They're all valid responses to this. I do not have to forgive, forget, and move on. And I'm sick of people telling me to forgive, forget, and move on. Because also, in any other normal, not reality TV show standpoint, you don't have to see this guy anymore. It's much easier to move on. Instead, you have all of these idiots telling you, just get over it when you don't have to get over it. Yeah. And it's so difficult to sit there and watch fucking Brock of all people who has just this year gotten lines

they finally gave him a script and now he's going to take it upon himself to try to have this conversation this heart to heart with Ariana who one doesn't need to hear it from you Brock and two her responses are chef's kiss like perfect and that's when she brings up with the female rage thing she's like it makes

a lot of people uncomfortable to see a woman yell and it's like all of her responses are valid and it's time for the rest of the cast to shut the fuck up about it. Yeah It's not going to happen, nor should it have to happen. And in a real world scenario, all of you would still be on her side and recognize that he's a piece of shit. Brock, he just yelled at your wife.

Right. I know you think that's normal because you like to yell at your wife. That's not cool. It's definitely not okay for somebody else to do it. It's not okay for you to do it. The fact is, like, why are you defending it? Why are you trying to force this quote unquote friendship or moving on or peace about a guy that has proven that he is not even going to treat your wife with respect? Well, that's why I'm so fucking confused about what Brock is even doing here.

Is he doing it because Sheena told him to do it? That doesn't make any sense because we've seen the way that he interacts with his wife. I don't think that's it. I don't think he would do anything that his wife told him to do. I think he wants to be seen as like a savior. I think he does too. I think that he's been doing that the whole season. We saw him sit down with Sandoval.

We saw him sit down with now Ariana. We've seen him sit down with countless people talking about the situation. And sometimes we say, yeah, Brock, that actually makes sense. Good for you. And then you go yell at your wife and we go, fuck you, Brock. Yep. That's pretty much how this season is gone. on for him, all of a sudden he's in the limelight.

All of a sudden, he's showing up and having these weird one-on-one conversations with everybody. It makes no sense to me. Like, what is he doing? Got it. He is the only one, I think, that is still somewhat cool with everybody. Like, he's not, there's nobody, like, true. By cool, I mean, like, people, everyone doesn't hate Brock. Like, he's kind of, not neutral, but he can talk to everyone.

I would just love it if in this moment, Ariana, it goes, where are your kids in Australia? Please. Like, this dude who's got this moral compass who's trying to get you to forgive your ex from six weeks or six months ago hooking up with one of your best friends. Yeah.

Where is your moral compass? Where are your kids? Like, somebody needs to get him to answer that. The love of God. Please, and not Sheena answering and not people speaking on his behalf and not him saying, I'm trying my best. Like, no, should you have to divulge your entire life?

In the real world? No. But you're on reality TV. And this is something that has been hanging over your head and will continue to hang over your head until it's addressed. So, God, that would have been a fucking haymaker. That would have been great if she dropped that line.

It would have been awesome. Like, you're telling me how to live my life. Like, what about you? Flip that script. It would have been great. Yeah, too. Although he probably would have yelled at her. That's what Brock does.

But we get Lala, Ariana, and Dan. And Dan's going to dinner with Brad. He hadn't seen Brad in a while. I'm not sure who Brad is, but he's going to dinner with Brad. and Arion's or sorry Lala's asking him

Like was it weird Dan He's like you know I'm just kind of unbothered And he does seem checked out And I don't know if that's a credit To what you said He doesn't want to be on the show I can't tell if he doesn't want to be on the show

Or he just doesn't want to be in the same room with Tom Or I'm just talking Like then his responses to Ariani The ladder is I know And the latter is shitty too Because Ariana might be able to use you You know if you guys are close

And you guys have been talking so much And you're doing this whole long distance relationship like you're emotionally supporting her it might be nice if you were there so she doesn't have to deal with that shit but there could have been conversations where he's like I'm just she could have told him like you know what just go do your own thing while we're there you don't want to be on the show like yeah we just don't have the answer to that so I don't want to jump to a conclusion and say oh yeah no he's absolutely just avoiding Tom and he's a coward I agree like he's leaving his girlfriend out to dry like that

sucks I don't think he might just not want to be on the show and Ariana's okay with that Yeah, I think that we don't have enough info to, like, break it down as to what he's doing. But we have a returning trope that we, I thought we got rid of. I thought this was two years ago. For last year, I guess it was everyone was having the Roaring 20s parties. Yep. We have another Roaring 20s. We have another roaring 20s.

Yeah, me too. What was the last one that we got? Was it Southern Charm? Maybe. I feel like it was one of the Housewife shows that did it last. Roney. Roney. Did Roney?

Yeah, Roney. Yeah, okay. That's probably the last one that we got. Salt Lake. had a roaring 20s there was a lot of them but the last no Salt Lake's Roaring 20s

was with Jen Shaw that was way back Wow we've been pretty far removed from the Roaring 20s huh? The Roaring 20s

that was the very predominant in Bravo for an entire year every show did a Roaring 20s party we get to go back to the Roaring 20s because why not

but at this Roaring 20s party I think the biggest takeaway is that Schwartz seems to be cool with everybody again Yeah. And, you know, he's talking to Ariana and Katie, and they're getting along, their vibe and all this stuff.

And Ariana's like, I'm going to remove myself. I'm going to give you guys a moment. She even feels it. We're not crazy watching. We are not crazy watching. There is some flirting going on here. There's chemistry here. And look, we've made myself very clear.

No, Katie should not get back with Schwartz. She's way better than Schwartz. She can do way better than Schwartz. That doesn't even need to be said. But when he puts this idea out there, hey, one more night we'll order a bunch of junk food we'll sit and scroll we'll just sit and be together what do you think i love that he guised it as a one night stand and then goes into this whole we're just going to order a bunch of junk food lay next to each other and just scroll endlessly

yeah nothing sexual you can i just miss that i think she was look i don't think she would actually say okay i do think that for a split second she entertained the idea and then she's like no we can't do this just the fact that she's even hearing him out and laughing about it and giggling like is there something there look there's always going to have chemistry. I think that, again, I think the max thing was the best thing that could have happened for their friendship. Yeah. It gives them an opportunity to move forward amicably, and they seem to have done that. Who would have thought that banging Schwartz's best friend would write the ship, so to speak? Get them right back in. It's so funny, but. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the LA Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from the League, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twitter. We come together to host Unspooled, a podcast where we talk about good movies, critical hits.

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I agree with her, 100%. He's going to wake up in five years. I don't even think five years. I think he wakes up now and goes, fuck, she's the one that got away. I think you woke up next to Joe countless times and was like, damn it. Yeah, you're not Katie. But the last scene of the episode is Sheena and Sandoval, and, like, they're going through the show tomorrow and, like, the run through and this and that. And, like, the fact that he takes this approach to what, he's talking about Dan.

And he's like, you know, it's good because I was always worried about her mentally. So, like, with him, I feel like she can handle it better. You're now accrediting her getting back on her feet to being with Dan, which is disrespectful to the journey that she's been on because she's done it on her own. so that sucks you're also going to sit there and say that you're worried about her mentally when you sir are the one that put her through everything mentally so you don't get to take the moral high ground now if like i'm glad she's taken care of shut the fuck up yeah stop talking about you haven't once even apologized for what you did no you haven't once taken ownership for what you did all you've been doing this entire time is talking about your feelings and being like

i'm the one being attacked i'm the victim here you guys can't leave it alone let's leave the past in the past you're bringing up shit from like 15 years ago yes how about we don't drop the thing that just happened six months ago that left the entire group in complete disarray and you do not get to sit there and say i'm just you know i was so worried about her you haven't shown any worry zero we watched you guys and look i'm not going to say that you should show worry for her when you broke up in the beginning because that's obviously highly emotional but you came back and all you've done is talk about yourself and anytime you bring up ariana it's she's not doing anything about the house she's doing this and that with the dog she's yelling at me she's not talking to me like no you're

not worried about her you're worried about yourself 100% and it's ridiculous but sheena breaks it down to him again can you just apologize for weaponizing her mental health against her trying to get him to understand finally and she the i will say the most salient point she's made all season in regards to this is she didn't freeze her eggs for no reason she didn't buy a house for herself or sorry, she didn't freeze her eggs for herself. She didn't buy a house for herself. Like, she was planning on moving forward with you. You need to acknowledge all of these things.

And I don't believe it for a split second because he's so full of shit. But in a confessional, you finally get him saying flat out, this was my fault. Way too little, way too late. It literally means nothing because of the timing of it. Like, it's bullshit. It's also the end of the season. Oh, it means something for him and she and his friendship. It does.

now she's like well he said he's sorry like we can be friends again like ariana get over it like nah bro nothing's changed look at his podcast and this is like that's the end of the episode but like look at all of his podcast not only his own but the the guest spots that he's made this man has not changed this man will not change the group wants him back in fine let him back in but get katy and ariana out of there something about her can be a tv show schwartz and sandy living together i don't want to watch that i don't need another season of whatever the fuck I watch this season on this show. I don't need a great migration from this show to the valley. Leave the valley alone. It's working. It's fun. It's

exciting. We're enjoying it. I hope that they take this pause and really, really look at how the fuck are we going to save this show, change it and make it better, not how are we going to put a band-aid on a bullet hole and force feed these idiots back to our audience again. Agreed. Well put. Thank you. Way to go. Thanks. but um what sixers one i fucking told you what was the score one 12 106 i told you uh-huh yep game six here we go we're gonna blow them out oh boy all of you mark my words this is philadelphia we're going to get the game seven and they're gonna we're gonna lose it's going to be heartbreaking or this is the kick in the ass that they needed i'm back in

that's a philly you don't do it i'm back in fucking i'm back too sixers and seven Jesus Christ, let's get into some questions. Oh, we set ourselves up for it. This is a really funny question. From Instabri, 76, Steeler, Shooter, who would have had the better chance of escaping Alcatraz? Me, 100% me. I could have talked my way out of it.

I wouldn't have been there to begin with. I would have to talk my way out of it before I got there. Don't do that game. You have to answer. I have to escape? Yeah, who's going to escape me or you? Come on. Come on.

I think I could escape. No. You can't talk you're right of Alcatraz. It was like the... I'm not by talking my way out of that. I think I could just figure it out. How would you get out? I think that...

You know how they got out, right? Through... They made paper mache heads, and they put them in their bunk. Yeah, but did they dig holes to get out? Yeah, they dug into the wall, and then they got into, like, the pipes and shit. I don't know if it was a full Shawshank, but that they dug through the wall. Yeah, I probably could have got out. Ah, but the swimming at the end, that's a tough song.

swim i take me over you all day yeah you know once you get to the swimming i don't know if i can do that swim well no they took a they had a um a boat how'd they make a boat they had like a kayak of some sort did this actually happen or was this just a movie no it's really happened okay it's true story and then they they claim yeah escape from alcatraz is based on just assume paul newman's in that is he in it i think so yeah that's cool hand luke oh yeah i think he was in that one too he was in everything he was a man he was a fucking great dude great organic dressing too yeah and Good job, Paul. Zero profits taken.

He donates it all to charity. Good dude. R-I-P, Paul Newman, cool, and Luke. But, yeah, I got that. I don't know about you. All right. I might use you for shark bait so I can swim away. I'll paddle away and I'll throw you in a mean.

Yeah, sorry. It's prison, baby. I got to get out. I don't think that you have that in you to do that. To leave you? No, to sacrifice anybody for me. No, I wouldn't. I would make sure everyone gets out.

Yeah. That's my problem. That's why you would lose. Yeah, maybe. I don't give a shit. You would go by myself. I'm out of here. Um, all right, let's move on to, uh, from Kea Rihanna one, how do you guys feel,

how do you guys honestly feel about how to face Lala has been with Ariana this season? I mean, I think we made it clear during the episode, but to reiterate and to answer your question, I think that, I think she wants to stay relevant, man. I think that she's, she's probably seeing that the show is doing what the show is doing, so she's taking it upon herself to drum up some extra noise to try to stay in the spotlight. Liza Bean is asking us to expand a little bit because we didn't really talk about it too much,

but thoughts on Lala's interaction with Dan in the hotel room. Yeah, I thought it was weird. Really weird. It was like eye fucking him while he was getting changed. And she was trying to win, you know, look, I don't really discredit her for doing this, but she's trying to get the information out of him as to why he's not coming out and he's not giving

that's okay and he's not giving her shit but the end of it very weird yeah I also thought that he was cold you have a great body good for you yeah weird but I thought that he was cold towards her I'm not sure exactly why that was if he's just that checked out from not wanting to be my oh or if that was because

I think Ariana's probably been telling him like Lala's turning on me and this is really fucking annoying and that could also be a factor as to why he doesn't want to be on the show why would I get dragged into that dumb shit if at this point Ariana's already like I'm out of of here at the end of the season. I really don't care. I'm curious what that's going to be like. And he's like, well, I'll go to San Francisco with you. I've got friends out there, so I'll do the trip with you, but I don't really want to be on the show. That makes a lot of sense to me. Great hair, great hair. We'll do one more here because the lineup's not great, and this is what we get for doing the episode right after the show. But from Mrs. Kara Martin, Steele, you can use Google Maps to find the Italian shop name and order your jacket. it's a good point

astute observation there but there's something about being there and buying it you know when you're away it's almost like money when you're on a vacation you're like money doesn't really matter oh my credit card

yeah through the roof yeah money doesn't matter out there monies are relevant on it and then you get home and you're like I'm not gonna look at my bag account for a little while no you don't you just wait for the money to come back and then you're like we're good now

nothing happened it's crazy isn't it like I will swipe my card like a 200 bucks done sure take whatever I don't care but yeah that's all I got you got anything no I've gotten more comfortable with you saying that now than instead of me but um reminder our show is in what's this this is wednesday technically so two days we are live at union stage in dc with kandis dillard chris bass at ryan bailey if you haven't gotten your tickets yet you're in the area if you've been holding out

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