Bros & Shows - Vanderpump Rules Full Recap w/ Amanda Hirsch of Not Skinny But Not Fat

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

What's up Bros?! we have a very special guest today, Amanda Hirsch from Not Skinny But Not Fat! We discuss last nights VPR episode, is Sandoval playing it up for the cameras? And we discuss how Schwartz is handling himself. We see the mask slip momentarily with Ariana but is he genuinely just trying to get the group back together? Scheana has an awkward moment with Sandoval at Sur and Schwartz extends an invite to the entire group (Sandoval included) to Lake Tahoe in an attempt to mend all the cracks in the group. We had an absolute blast with Amanda, and hope yous all enjoy it!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. or whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Shooter Magouter, and we have a very special guest today. You might know her from her podcast,

not skinny, but not fat. Let's welcome Amanda Hirsch to the show. Oh, fuck, she's doing this. No, I'm here. I'm set up. Look at me. I'm such a little, wait here. No, we're good.

No, that was actually, that was even better. Let's just leave it like that. This is actually better. Yeah, I'm going to leave like that. Amanda Hirsch is on the show. Hi, thank you for having me. We're so excited to have you.

How are you tonight? I'm good. I told you guys a little past my bedtime for what. I never watched Manorump Rules, you know, live. I've actually watched the whole show. This is a confession. I watched the whole show late. So like in 2000 and like 16, I started.

And I recapped, this is kind of like the beginning of my, like, that's why Vanderpump holds, like, such a special place in my heart. Because when I started watching Vanderpump late, like a thousand years late, started at season one, didn't know any of them, meaning like I'm watching Jack's season one, don't know about Jack's season seven. And I'm like, oh, he's cute. Like, just like imagine the situation. And I called myself like a VPR ambassador as like a joke because like definitely not an ambassador since you're a hundred years late. But I got so obsessed and it was kind of like the beginning of my like Instagram career in a way of like recapping shows and stuff was Vanderpump. So Vanderpump will always be like my number, my number one. Yeah, that's that's very similar to Steele.

steals gateway drug to bravo was always vanderpump but you're also you're ahead of the curve because i feel like a lot of people did that last year and they did their whole recap where they went back to season one so that they could try to find little easter eggs here and there but you did it six years before that so who cares you know what you know what that means something to me because if i did it if i did a post scandal i'd feel kind of lame sorry guys if you did a post scandal it's like you know you're not a real one you know yeah where where were you asterisk on it you got to put an asterisk on their name if they came after the scandal happened. Yeah.

Because like Shooter said, that was legit. My wife and I were in quarantine. Like, we were peak pandemic. And she wanted to rewatch Vanderpump from episode one, season one. And I'd never watched any Bravo. I knew who, like, Teresa Judice was. That was about it. So she threw on episode one.

And we lived in, like, a row home at the time. So there wasn't a lot of space to move around. So I was kind of stuck in the living room on my phone, not really paying attention. and I just heard like the Jackson Stasi drama erupting and I was like what the fuck is going on and I started to watch a little bit and then she went to bed and I binged like a season overnight and the next thing I knew I was all caught up after like a week and I was like I need something else what we got next they don't they don't I mean I remember when I started watching and it was like no no no they're all hooking up they're all cheating on each other with their best friends in their best friend's bed like this is not a joke like this is not this is very much all happening and I also got to know the people you know in in real life after a while and you're like you also get to really understand that like it's very real too like it's you know even though there were moments in this episode that I was like holy staged or like there were a few of them where I was like oh my god but um but mostly the feelings

towards people are real right um but anyway so vanderpump special plays in my heart uh even even in floppy seasons i'll always be like rooting for it you know yeah i know that it's a very good way to put it too and obviously you know we've watched it we've kind of gone through everything and we've got this whole new vision of what vanderpump is especially after last year so what do you think obviously it's only three episodes in but is is this kind of what you were expecting to kind of start off this season for season 11, or do you think it could have gone a different direction? I don't know.

I mean, again, I really accept it, like, in its highs and in its lows. Like, in all forms, I will watch and I will enjoy. But so far, it's like I've been over Scandaval. Like, I've been over it since, like, the second month we were on it, IRL, which was when, like, April. Yeah. So, oh, God. So like it's been almost a year, so I'm definitely over it.

So it's kind of like also like when you watch the Kardashians, it's like we know so much of what happens in real life with them that like the show really needs to bring some like high quality BTS to like keep it interesting. So I feel like so far we haven't gotten that high quality BTS right of like that we didn't know. right because like we know they all talk shit on podcasts we've seen it we've heard it um they all like made money off of this scandal they've all progressed their careers off this scandal well maybe not stand a ball but um so i mean so far it's like listen i like watching them it's like i like watching sex in the city even though it's bad now you know what i mean not that i'm saying vanderpump is bad i'm just saying it's hard for me to judge it really hot take i was just telling my husband um he was sitting van derrim is one of the shows where he can like sit around it you know

he's not like instantly watching but he's not getting up he's like looking um but he asked me about sandival at the end of the episode he was like does this just keep going like they're not they're going to be mad they're just going to keep being mad like he was wondering like if they're ever not going to be mad because like it's been so long no one's forgiving no one's really moving on And it is, you know, we've talked about this a little bit before you jumped on, but I'm kind of with Lisa, you know, like I'm kind of with Lisa and the crime, the punishment doesn't really fit the crime situation. And like, you know, everyone's living their best life, especially Ariana. So, like, we can, we can let go a little bit. I think they could let go a little bit. Yeah, I think that they could maybe let go a little bit. But, I think we are sort of getting that behind the scenes action because they're at least breaking the fourth wall and talking about all of the things that have happened outside the show. And this is a lot less of a break than what we're used to. Usually they have six, seven months tops to get through everything, but we didn't want that fallout.

We wanted it to still be pretty palpable. So they picked up the cameras a lot quicker. So we are still getting a lot of the raw emotions, which we fully expected for the fallout. But I do think that, yeah, they can let some of it go. But Tom's not fucking giving anything. So, like, all he has to do, and that's where Lisa is correct, just be, show some contrition, apologize here and there for whoever you can. He just looks like he's recruiting people to be on his team without actually apologizing to them. So that's kind of where he is.

If he apologized at all, then, yeah, we might be a little more sympathetic to. We're going to get tired of watching you just bash the same guy over and over because it's a boring storyline. But he's not giving anything. So you know what? He deserves to get bashed. And I'm going to be here for it. Yeah, and we're like this weird middle ground. where it's like, like you both said, like, yeah, we get it.

He fucked up. And yeah, I had to remind our listeners last week when we recorded two weeks ago, when we recorded episode one of this season was like, it's only three months later because even I, like, as the episode started, they're talking about like Scandibald again. I'm like, all right already. And then I'm like, well, wait a minute. It's only been three months.

Like, it's still pretty fresh. He hasn't even been around because he's off gallivanting in New Zealand doing that stupid reality show so it's still super raw but i had to remind myself and i think that's the risk that this season is going to run is like yeah we get it they're all pissed and yeah they have a right to be pissed but i don't want to watch the same shit week in and week out we need some kind of progression here and i think we'll get it i mean as we've seen on instagram people are hanging out with tom again like sheena's background tom schwartz is i mean it took schwartz one episode to be in like, I need to do what's best for me.

Less than one episode. And he's like, well, I really miss him. Like, I really, really miss him, though, guys. Like, I think I'm going to go back. So he didn't stand on his laurels at all, but that's not surprising. I just think that we do run the risk this season of beating this storyline to death where we're like, okay, yeah, she's pissed, they're pissed. Everyone's pissed.

Fuck, Tom, we get it. But this isn't fun to watch anymore. So I'm curious how they're going to try to navigate that. I think that Tom Sandoval said something. so important in this episode, which was to Sheena at the end when they're talking in the back alley of Sir, like the good old days. He said, surprisingly, Ariana is the least vindictive person of the group. Like, she's the only one that isn't doing extra shit to like keep me down, put me down. And I was like, whoa. So like props to Ariana on that, you know, and I'm not doing

that but you know what at the same time she didn't need to because like the work you know it's like sending a hitman to like kill the person you want to kill like the work is is being is being done but you're right it's three months later and i'm not judging the cast because it's three months later i just think as a viewer like it's not their fault that i'm over it and that they're probably over it and they're probably not even talking about mackle anymore or sandival anymore you know it makes sense that then they were, then they were talking about it. But Schwartz, yeah, Schwartz, I mean, also the moment with Schwartz kind of like second up to Sheena and like leaving performatively Tom's lame birthday to go to Sheena's thing because like China's so important to him like since when was Sheena so important to you even though he did go to her wedding and like piss off Katie. So I guess like Sheena is a little bit.

Yeah, but at the same time, he went to her wedding and. made out with Raquel at the wedding, which he knew would cause a scene, and he went to the wedding to piss off Katie, arguably. So is that to support Sheena, or is that Tom being Tom? You know what I mean? I don't know. I think that he, I said it a lot last year. I think that Schwartz is smarter than people think. I think he's playing this, like, dumb card where he's like, oh, I just want everyone to be happy. But you see glimpses of it when he gets really mad and they'll fire back to people you're like oh wait a minute like that was sharp and it was to the point so i don't think that he's this like puppy dog i think he loves that he can lean on that where he's like oh no like

i just want everyone to get along because it allows him to kind of skate through things we've seen schwartz get away with everything he's always worked his way back into the fold every single time and he will continue to do so we're going to watch it this season it's going to happen ariana might not bend the knee because she actually has like morals and standards but the rest of the group is going to get back in with shorts they already pretty much are even katie we have to watch those scenes where she goes to pick up the dogs and it's awkward and she acts like she's mad but then five minutes later they're laughing on the couch so shorts is going to shorts he always will shorts i'm just curious to see like how does that how does the group come back together like is it half of them hanging out

with schwartz good yeah i think that we can kind of see that because the one scene during this episode that's pretty indicative of where they're going to go with this is while they're at sir and everybody sitting on the couch after he invites them to Lake Tahoe, they're not giving him shit for the sake of giving him shit and ripping him apart. They're coming from a place of, even Katie's coming from a place of like concern and love and saying, why are you going to keep doing this to yourself? You need to pull yourself out of this. Instead of just saying Schwartz, you're an idiot, why can't you see what the hell is going on here? Get away from me. It's a you can be better than this if you just remove yourself from Tom entirely. So they're still looking at him like this lost puppy dog,

which is exactly what you're saying. So yeah. I think he realizes that. And if we are giving him the credit that you're giving him, saying that he's a little sharper than we're giving him credit for overall, then he's going to play that up to his advantage. And that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to invite everybody altogether. He could just easily lean into a friendship with DJ James Kennedy,

hang out with him because James is a softie. You can work your way up to him and it'll work your way back in the group as long as you ignore Tom, but he's trying to do both. And he's doing it actively and he's not even really trying to hide it. He's opening up about it because, again, it's just Schwartz being dumb, so everybody's kind of writing it off. So I think that's exactly what he's going to do, and that's how it's going to work out this season.

Well, I think a couple of things we need to remind ourselves, which sucks because we like to pretend like reality TV is just real life and we're just getting a straight glimpse in, but is that people want to film, right? They're getting paid to film. So it's like they want to hang out with everybody because if they can't hang out with everybody, they won't be where they want to be to film. So I'm sure if the cameras were off all year, Schwartz would be like,

I don't care if I'm good with Ariana or not. You know what I mean? But he wants to be good with Ariana because he wants to be around the group. But speaking of Schwartz, I think he's so smart. I mean, have you heard his vocabulary? Like, he has like such an amazing vocabulary

and he's very smart, but you're right. We do see the glimpses in this episode. We saw him kind of get kind of ragey at Ariana, where he was like, who do you think you are, Queen Bee with your like huge ego? And then she's like, what? And he's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, I shouldn't have said that.

And he apologizes right away too, which like, I'm all for an apology. But if you're apologizing right after you said something, like, you just said it. You know, so it's probably you meant it. And if that's his opinion that Ariana's ego kind of blew up after this went down, I think that people, I feel like, and I have a little, like, feeling that we might see more of those feelings come up in the season from other cast members like it's bound to happen right like she blew up she got all these like la la like where she's like oh she got cheated on now she's suddenly god or whatever like stuff like that well don't let's understand la la for a minute even before that

happens la la la had a very similar thing happened to her you know not with a friend or blah blah blah blah, but like, and like, yeah, she got supported, but like not in this way, you know. She didn't get a Broadway role. She didn't get a dancing with the stars role. Like, she didn't get major brand deals of like, I remember right after it happened, we saw Lala move into the, you know, the apartment she's living in now doing like, you know, brand deals to like support her and her family. she wasn't getting like Super Bowl commercials like Ariana. So I can, I think it would be in, inhuman if a castmate wouldn't be jealous a little bit that like such success came to Ariana from being on this show. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design

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So I'm curious if like that scene with Lala where she's like, oh, she gets cheated on and suddenly she's God, is she going to reel it back in immediately after that, like when we see the rest of that scene? I just, I feel like everyone, and not that they shouldn't be saying things against Ariana, But I do feel like if they are slightly jealous or if they do feel a certain way or if they're not agreeing with her,

we may not see them speak out about it because they're afraid that people are going to come after them. And like Instagram or social media is going to start a war path against anybody that dares to go against Queen Ariana. So their reactions are going to be interesting to watch throughout the season as far as how they handle certain situations, especially if we've seen them act a certain way in the past when something's happened. but now they have this overshadowing of Scandival all over them, so maybe it might alter some perspectives a little bit. So it's going to be they have a chance here to have a great season. I think that we have seen already where there might be some pitfalls for this season,

and it may not live up to the standards that we all have. And unfortunately, for VPR as a whole, our standards are so high now because last season was the best season of reality TV that a lot of people have seen. It was fucking insane. We're never going to get that again. So they've set the bar so high, I think that they run the risk of trying to replicate last year rather than try to go down a different path this year, given the boost they had from last year.

Yeah, and I think if they can somehow control the chaos from the fallout, because obviously once Sandoval gets re-engrained in the group, there's going to be a lot of betrayal going on there. And Ariana is going to feel betrayed if Sheena's hanging out with Sandoval. And she's going to feel the same way if Lala's being nice and James Kennedy's being nice. That's pretty much where we're going to go. And I feel like that's kind of what we want in this season. We want that chaos of holy shit. Like, you know, Tom was our friend for a very long time, but we have to defend Ariana. And I need that duplicity of going back and forth and thinking,

I need to do this or I need to do that to be good by whoever I'm actually honoring or whoever I'm loyal to. And I think that's really what's going to come down to it is the human nature of it all. Because what are we going to do at the end of it? Like Amanda just said, we've got people who might be a little jealous and maybe that's going to show if Ariana overstepped a little bit and if she gets really pissed off because Sheena's hanging out with Sandoval. If something like that happens, maybe we see Sheena go back at her and then all the sudden things start to unravel. That would be, I think my ideal season is watching all of these people who have known each other for so long and have been friends and enemies and friends and enemies again to go after each other and then really

draw a line. I mean, there's one scene where they literally draw a line in the sand and they're going to have to do that at some point in time. And I think that's going to be really cool to watch because that's really what it comes down to for the fallout of all these friendships. It was, I was saying that what made us fall in love with the show is the authentic friendships and reactions and, and, you know, conversations and whatever. And here, I mean, we're aware there's a bit more preparation and thought that goes into it. Like you guys were saying, like, are they going to say what they really want to say? Are they going to show what they truly mean or think or whatever?

Are they going to be scared of the repercussions of social media and whatever? So that kind of like sucks, right? Because it's like, first of all, I hope that Lala continues to be Lala. Because she showed us before that she says whatever the fuck she thinks. You know what I mean? She comes through people. So I hope that like at least we get Lala, you know, give us Lala. At least Lala will give us Lala and not, you know, care that, you know, if she might say something, it might piss somebody off.

But you're right. We already know that people are going to. let sandoval in a little bit more and he's going to go on these trips and he's going to be part of the whole fucking season so shit is going to happen i do have high hopes for the season in general but i'm sure we're going to get some cringy weird moments like sheena oh seeing him it's first of all him showing up at sir let's let's roll it back yeah like like like like why are you at sir like like like again it goes back to the filming thing like are you that desperate to to film that night.

You're coming with Kyle Chan, the fucking jewelry designer, everybody who like, is he your best friend? He's your only friend. Coming with him, sitting at a, like at a date table.

James hates you. Everybody hates you. Why are you there? And then seeing Sheena and then him trying to like compliment China, it was just so fucking cringy. It was brutal.

No thanks. Yeah. And he's like, you look like, Shania Twain, she's like, thank you. And like, you know, like, she's like, she gave a little bit. She gave a little bit more. Thank you.

I was, I literally found a picture of Shania that looked like this. So you nailed it, Tom. Thank you so much. I know. He knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. There's no, there's no fucking way that Sheena didn't know he was sitting right there when she got up to go to the bathroom.

There's a camera right there. And the fact that she says, like, I'm not going to do. this right here oh okay bro we're gonna see you on tv like yeah what does it matter like you know this is being filmed doesn't matter if it's in the back alley or even though i really do appreciate a back alley moment like it really haven't had one in a while like in a while like i know stags like you know just the good old days um but it was very hard to watch it's also very hard to watch because tom like you said isn't giving anything an inch isn't giving an inch and also like I was saying my husband sits next to me and he just goes to me this guy like loves himself like he's so into himself and

I was like what makes you say that just as like somebody who doesn't watch the show and he's like you could just tell like the hair like he's so fucking into himself that like again even if you wanted to be like a Lisa and say, you know, give him some slack, you know, whatever. He makes it very hard because it's like, look a little rougher, you know, skip the Botox appointment for this month, you know, let the wrinkles wrinkle a little bit. Get the nails for a little while. Yeah. Have a bad manny. A little bit. Yeah. Chew your nails. Have a bad manny. Have a non-spray tan. Like you're two glued together and put together to pretend that you were, you know, going to jump off a cliff or whatever he, you know, is insinuating, which, you know, we, we, we hope that he wasn't.

But Lisa sure did believe him that he was, could have reached a moment like that. And understandably so, given her brother. And I mean, I will agree with her where she said, you know, I'd rather be the person that falls for it and reaches out than the latter and not doing so. And then, you know, if something were to happen, then she would rather err on the side of caution. And I agree with that. It's just, it's obviously such a touchy subject,

and we don't wish that on anybody and those feelings on anybody like that. It's just, I agree with you as he brings that up. You're kind of everyone watching is like, I don't know. It's just, it's a really difficult topic. Obviously. It's just everything he's going through it. When he looked back on his quote unquote healing journey over the past like six months. And this goes back to when James was having that conversation with him. He's like he couldn't reach out to me one time. I watched your social media tour. You look like you're doing fine. You're on stage singing about Raquel. You're singing about Schwartz. You're singing about lost friendships and burning the world to the ground. And you're laughing about it. And you're posting stories about it. And you're on this quote unquote tour with your quote unquote band. And you're using it to your advantage. So it doesn't, what you're saying doesn't match the optics at all.

And then instead of dealing with this shit, you go to New Zealand and film a reality show and leave everyone else to deal with your shit. And that's, I feel like he portrays himself like he doesn't know what's going on or why bad things are happening to him, which is fucking insane. But you can tell he has the awareness of what's going on. And that's what bothers me the most. When he's sitting there with Kyle, he says, yeah, you know, being at Sir. it's pretty crazy. Somebody could come over and, you know, spill a drink on me, but like not so accidentally. It's like, okay, so you know that that's going to happen. So you understand the public perception of you being a piece of shit that the normal stranger is just going to

walk over and spill a drink on you. But then you're expecting apologies from other people. Like that's, that's where it doesn't add up. So all of this like this web of lies that he's spinning about his feelings and where he wants things to be at the end of all of this and his friendships and whatever, it all boils down to, dude, you know what the fuck's going on. And you're just not accepting the fact that you need to apologize and you're even playing it up even more by talking to Lisa saying first off getting angry at Lisa while Lisa's just trying to give you advice is fucking yelling at Lisa she's the only person that's powerful enough in your corner that might be able to sway some people your way if you really want to do this the right

way you act like that towards Lisa and you try to be bashful you try to have a little shame in your voice and try to get her on your side because you know what she might sit down with a couple of the other people in the cast and say Tom's really having a really bad time and we need to give him a little bit of attention then it might work out your way but he's not even doing that he's showing up at sir on a Tuesday night saying oh yeah it's pretty crazy in here isn't it I knew that I had to come here because I'm taking Lisa's advice by sitting down and I need to apologize to people you had the opportunity to apologize to Sheena immediately and instead you make the Shania Twain joke then you point out your sweater for whatever fucking reason he wanted he wanted he was fishing for

compliments which is insane well he also has to draw I think of the fact that it was Ali's. That's his buddy that has the way. Of course. Yeah. That's him getting the ball rolling in like, he wanted Sheena to apologize and say, how are you doing?

And she didn't take that bait. Thankfully, I actually thought that she was going to. And it didn't go the way that he wanted to. He didn't really apologize. He said that he apologized months ago. You could have apologized again. He didn't.

And then he takes the shot at the end that it's like, what are you doing? Like, I just don't understand what his game is here because we know it. It's Sandoval. He's got some sort of strategy, some sort of game. here and i can't really identify because it doesn't make any fucking sense i mean yelling at lisa was

really hard because it's like it would be one thing if i felt like it was like real rage you know but it just feels again part of this like stick or game or strategy but like how could that possibly be your strategy to show that like you're so emotional that you're like screaming at lisa like that's just not a good whatever this move is like change the move like this is cry now like she'll she'll buy the tears this is your cue to cry but yeah him raising his voice i was like i'm so fucking hard lisa it just was it was not matching the tone of the conversation yeah it wasn't matching it and again i'm one of those people like i was saying the seal before Like, I could have some room to understand and to say, hey, he cheated, you guys.

Let's calm down. Let's not burn his business, you know? And, and, but, but again, he's making it hard to not fucking, to not, to, he's making it hard to, to even think that because. Yeah. Just give you any kind of grace at all. It's like impossible. I mean, the world tour.

Start the season now. Go ahead. The world tour was probably the worst. move because here's my opinion i think the new zealand like he should have taken that right because even though it's like you were saying like dumb show it's a it's a show that does really well you know he probably got paid for it really well uh um it was it a good experience it came at a perfect time so i'm like okay let's say the show it was a good moment for him to take that show the tour was like couldn't have been worst optics and like how much money are you making on the

tour dude you're not making like you're you're playing really small venues the tickets are probably so cheap one venue that he was giving them out for free one of our listeners like yeah i went to the show and you got in for free but they i guess they made money from the drinks like the bars yeah yeah it's 20% for the barzab yeah great so like that wasn't worth it because that made you look so like you should have stepped away like people are happy for rakel right now i don't know if you guys saw but rakel walked some new york fashion week show and popped on social to like promote it or whatever and i was looking at the comments as one does and they were 92 percent positive and i was gassed because i was like whoa the tides to have turned and like i'm i you know

i was i'm again both of them i don't think should have been and treated the way they were by the public. I think it was dangerous how the world behaved towards them. Like, I really thought it was too much. But somehow she, as much as we were making fun of, like, her, you know, getting PR teams and going away and releasing statements and the TMZ cameras following, whatever. At the end of the day, the girl came back and, like,

the hate doesn't seem that strong anymore. And I think if you put that, the dichotomy of how she dealt with it and handled it versus how Sandoval has handled it, it paints the picture of exactly why she is coming out the other side of this. And now Sandoval, I feel like by not doing anything other than his stupid world tour, which we saw, he was still gaining some ground. It was like literally, it was like, Southwest. West, Northwest, U.S., Nevada, a couple of spots in Utah and California. But I feel like during that time, even then, like the hatred was starting to slow down a little bit. It wasn't as crazy as when all this came to light, but I feel like it's ramping up again because of how he's handled it versus you see Raquel Walk fashion week and she's getting a lot of

praise and people are like, oh, it's good to see you back on your feet, things like that. because again at the end of the day it was a cheating scandal nobody died like people will move on they will move forward unless you do the one thing and that's take no accountability and no remorse for it and that's he came out of the gate like that with this conversation with dj james kennedy when he brought up the fact that you know 10 years ago like you hooked up with christin in my bed regardless of your feelings on the matter even if you still hold that grudge against them which to me is pretty weird if you're going to fork over like 20s grand for James's proposal to

Raquel back in the day, but you're still holding this over his head? Or is it just an opportunistic moment where you don't have to say sorry to him because you're like, well, you did it to me, bro. That just shows you the lack of self-awareness that he has because even if he does feel that way, dude,

just say sorry. If he's like, do you apologize for like the ultimate betrayal? Just be like, yes, I do. I'm sorry. And that would go a long way with James too. Can I just hot take for a minute and like sure bravo listeners will probably hate me but james dying on this hill is a little weird for me like i agree with you that this conversation didn't go well and sandoval sort of handled it differently

if he wants a friendship with james james had a girlfriend like ali's standing there you know the whole last season not understanding why james is so fucking triggered and emotional and you know and and caring as if he's Ariana on the other side where like he's not because he and like he ended the engagement with Raquel he has a new girlfriend that he said he's never been more in love with why are you so emotional about it you know i just feel like and i know that james uh you know made the point that it's more like his friendship with sandoval that he's upset about but then he would be like whatever it's this chick that i dated you know and was engaged to that he says was like the worst decision of his life like what i you know what i mean

so it's not adding up why like if i was ali i'd be like why are you so hurt by this like this is your ex yes it's gross but it's not near what you know happened to ariana where she was like with sandibal so to me it's like james is a little bit i know listen the herd followed james last season he was the star he was saying all the things he was whatever i've always seen the the side of james of like loving his you know remarks and and things i've always liked him but i also think that it's like he needs to kind of calm down because the betrayal wasn't to him at all you know what i mean it's like sandville hooked up with his ex-girlfriend yeah gross incestuous but what's fucking new you know know in this group yeah that's a really good point i let's try to theorize exactly why james

is upset about this what is it really because i think you're right i think that the rakel aspect of it has nothing to do with anything it's got to be all sand of all related like it's all like you were my best friend and you didn't tell me i think maybe he feels scorns because he realizes now that he wasn't as close to tom as he thought he was and now he feel stupid. I think a big part of it is the big brother. But it seems that he is angry about the Raquel thing. Because you remember how he was like, and he's talking to stupid Raquel.

Like, it was Raquel. Like, I don't think it's because he feels stuff for Raquel still. But there's something that maybe feels like kind of like this like ownership or like, I don't know what goes out in his brain. But I know that Ali, she seems like such a good girl. And I remember in moments last season where he was getting really out of hand. that she was like, whoa, like, you could tell that maybe she didn't want to full out say it, but she was kind of like, she's your ex, like, why are you so insane about this?

You know, why are you so mad at him? Why are you so mad at him? Maybe that did happen, but I feel like Allie, as far as what her presence is on the show, she doesn't do stuff like that. Like, I feel like when she has those conversations with James, assuming she does, it's behind closed doors. Like, she has more of a camera presence knowing, you know, what? I don't want this relationship to look messy on camera. I'm going to wait. And she did that a

couple times last year where he was just completely blowing his lid. She would just walk away or she would go home or she would have like a few words with him and he didn't react the way that she would expect. And she just walked away. Like she wasn't dealing with any of that on camera, but they're still together. And she still, we know, has a good head on her shoulders. And she is very present in their relationship. So I would imagine that she waits behind closed doors. And then they have that conversation back then and there. And maybe it's helping James grow a little little bit. But, you know, as far as good TV goes, I kind of want to see that. I want to see her blow up at him for doing something like that, because then it at least validates what we're

talking about here, where we're just trying to figure out where the hell he's coming from. If we see Allie blow up at him, maybe we get a little bit more from James as to why he's so upset about the right thing. Right. If Ali says, I think you're both right. I think you're both correct. I think that part of it is the fact that he feels scorned by this, this big brother figure that he looked up to in Tom Sandival. I don't. don't think he still had feelings for Raquel. I think this is a pride thing. I think this is a moment where, you know, you can either call it brocode or you can just call it his ego where he's like, what the fuck you left? Like I left you and you're going to settle down for this dude, like this

worm of the mustache. I think that that's the root of it. I don't think James likes being lesser than other men. I think that gets under his skin when someone else like that's pride and ego. I mean, that's like his middle initials. Correct. You know? So I think that that's right. I think pride in the ego. But how is Bravoverse just accepting that? That's what I'm saying. Because I think that like Sheena, okay, she was actually really close with Sandoval for years.

Best friends with Raquel, best friends with Ariana. Like Sheena has a leg in the game, skin in the game, whatever the fuck, okay? You know, Katie hated. Leg in the game. One leg in the game. I got my leg in this game, maybe. One leg in and one leg up. Katie hated Sandoval for years.

You know, he basically broke up her marriage in one way, in one of the ways, I'm sure. You know, like everybody else has a leg in the game, okay? James least of legs in the game, in my opinion, yet somehow is given this like space, which like nice of everyone to give him this space to like be mad and like storm it on his birthday and like we're quite you know I just feel like it's not yes sandable could have just appeased everybody in his lame as birthday which we need to discuss immediately like what was that was that part of the pity party like what is that really it was it was uncomfortable to watch I didn't care for any of it the singing of happy birthday with the cake it felt very droll and I was

Saturday. Was that really your birthday? Like, I'm sorry. Are we supposed to buy this? That like your birthday went and like, I love to me and like everyone with the sky and with your sweatpants like, oh my God. Fucking. And Raquel didn't even text him on his birthday of his birthday all day. He's building that up to you guys. Like I don't, I can't do the timeline right now, but like, there's some sort of timeline here because I said this on my Instagram last week when he kind of started with the like I love or kill and like whatever I was like she blew up his spot

majorly post reunion like basically was like he made me lie I'm going to lose time saying this like she full on like exposed him and we're supposed to believe he didn't love her anymore by the way he's like yeah I'm not like in love with her anymore

he said that at the reunion so that plays as well sorry wow so all of that and we're supposed to believe that three months later he's still in love with her waiting for a phone call like something isn't but we do know for mariana that they are sending the letters so like there is some some discrepancies in my train of thought um but like don't but okay but he's not telling the cameras or the confessional that he's mad at rakel that they had like a lot of issues. issues after the reunion because she fucking made it worse for him. So, like, he is keeping things and not really saying everything because he wants to build up this, like, probably, um, situation where we feel bad for him. Because, you know, Raquel, who he blew up his whole life for, you know, is done with him. So that way, when he turns on her and he says she hasn't been supporting him and he starts

dating other people, we can say, oh, Tom really tried to make that. fake relationship were. But I think that's the thing with Raquel is the optics are all there for her. And look, she went on Bethany Frankel. She did that whole thing, which was an absolute fucking mess. She could easily be, she could easily be the villain still. But she went away from the public eye for long enough. She wasn't out there doing anything. She seems like she actually went to treatment. She, you know, moved it with her parents. She stayed off social media. She did all of the quote unquote right things. So I'm not super surprised that now because look, in the public eye, everything is fleeting and we stopped to care about things she wants to go on fashion week people are going to

support her they're going to forget about it and be like look wow she went out for you know six seven months and we didn't hear a peep from her she must have been working on herself good for her i'm happy for her she could have just been like hiding out somewhere doing the same shit breaking up marriages in arizona for all we know but instead she didn't publicize everything that she was doing like tom did so now all of a sudden it's like okay we'll give her a little bit of grace tom did the opposite tom is playing everything up for the camera and we're seeing right through it because he hasn't given us anything that says anything else than that. Like, we just assume he's manipulating the situation because that's the time that we know.

And he hasn't taken time away to look like a different Tom. And I don't think we and I don't think we should hold our breath for that. Like, I don't think Tom is going to change. And one day the audience is going to be like, there he is. You know, like, it's not, it's not in the cards for him. He's not going to, that card isn't going to. And like I said, like, I think like maybe Steele, you were saying you, you were like a defender

and there may have been a few of you but I think most of the Bravo birth had to over Scandefal can we just No no no no no no no no no no no No don't put that asses to gaslight me all the fucking time No no no no before Okay before

No because we were talking about this shit or before you came on That like I because I was saying I think what a little bit played into Scandavall being so huge is that people hated him right like if he was a likable character and happened like i think it would have looked a little bit different but both of them were such like kind of icky characters on the show yeah please balls like you know lala had a feeling about rakel from day fucking one okay like give it to lala who's always like this fucking bitch and and i remember being like but her like she can barely speak like she can't you know and in all i was a

defender too i was telling steal before like i always felt like it was a good like he was a good friend of Tom. I didn't understand why, like, Stasi hated him so much and Katie hated him so much. And, and most of the people hated him so much. So I think he's just going to, like, no matter what before Scandival he was hated, Scandival made him the most hated man in the planet. And even when people come down about Scandival, he's still going to not be liked. And again, I mean, he just went on Nick Vial's podcast.

Let's not even, I didn't listen, but I, heard that it was like the messiest mess that ever has been a mess like in your life we have to listen to it because our listeners want us to yeah i i heard he showed up 45 minutes he showed up 45 minutes late and he was probably either still drunk for the night before or on some sort of whatever but he looked like an absolute wreck so that's so bad is he's not making one right move like not one he hasn't made one but i think like a big part like that you see is the minute that you challenge him, the minute that you press him a little bit, even if he's trying to apologize, he immediately reverts back to insults and defending himself that he's not wrong.

I think that's the biggest, the biggest pitfall that we've seen from him, honestly, if he had come into this season, world tour aside, okay, even if he did all that stupid shit, you know, after the fact, you can blame that on, yeah, you know, it was a really weird time. I was the most hated person on the planet. I couldn't open my phone without seeing death threats, shit like that. So yeah, I went a little off the rails. I'm sorry. Come back into the fold with everybody with remorse and empathy and walk into the room quietly and just sit down and take your beating. Take your beating so you can get back with the group. You sat through it at the reunion and defended yourself. Now you're coming back into a new season where the whole world has

seen you for who you really are. And instead of trying to change the narrative or trying to change the focus are actually using a special forces reality show in which they do push you to your limits as an actual time to learn about yourself and grow and get better, it seems as though he looked at these things as though they were pawns in this game that he's playing. He's like, oh, this will look good and this will look good. This will show people I'm on a healing trip. I'm going to show people. I'm in Arizona on a retreat trying to get better. I'm going to show that to them so they see that I'm doing this. I'm going to show myself crying on special forces to garner her sympathy. I'm going to come back into the group as a hurt puppy dog that I'm

scorned, that people won't leave me alone. And it's such a weird tactic to take because I do genuinely think that because of how long it's been as far as us seeing the show and Scandival dying down, if he had come into this season, calm, remorseful, and just apologizing to everybody, he would already be back in the group with more than half of them. I think the only holdouts are going to be Ariana and Katie, because Katie has hated him forever. And Ariana never has to talk to him again. She has that right. She doesn't need to say shit to him because of everything that happened.

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Like you said, now you cry. cry now but now you're being a hard ass about stuff and that makes no fucking sense why are you a tough guy now i mean why didn't he try to apologize to ariana a gazillion times like are you like why wouldn't you do that you know send her flowers every single day you know do her laundry in the house like make it so the house is like so comfortable for her and said he puts a white noise machine like a fucking weirdo she was she was spying on him and listening to his conversations apparently myself. I mean, listen. Fucking insane. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the L.A. Times.

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In which case, call us We call us I don't know I don't know what the story are going to look like i do know that i can't watch many more birthday party scenes like that with his paid friends oh god because it's genuinely uncomfortable like watching those people who are all there because they want to be on tv like 45 like how old how old is he 40 40 i want to say 40 40 who knows the cake the cake said 40 again so who knows oh the cake said 40 again 40 again 40 again

You're just going to have a chill, like 10 people. There's a soda machine over there. It's like, oh, my God. No. It's so tough. And like that one dude, Jason, like we have a history with him. Like, we got tickets. They sent us free tickets to Tom Sandoval and the most extras like a year ago.

And we were going to go out in California because my brother lives out there. We were going to like make it a trip and we didn't end up going. He reached out to us like mid-Skandival, like when every. everything broke because we were like posting shit obviously because everybody was and he reached out to us and said guys i think that you need to hear tom's side of the story before you start talking about this because he's getting a lot of hate we're like fuck no we don't care about tom's side of the story like thanks jason and then jason he's getting hate that's crazy you did oh my god yeah that's a true story so we are still blocked by tom sand of all the most extras not tom Sanneville himself. Oh. Oh. Oh, just Tom Sanneval and the most, that's interesting. I know. It's really disappointing. We can't hear, we can't hear their music anymore, which is really sad for me. It's a bummer. But my whole thing is like, you see Jason at the fucking party. And it's like, dude, you're clearly just pining for the limel. I think he has a crush on Sandoval.

Like that, that's coming off to me where he's like enamored with this dude. And it was just so funny to see that scene right before it where it's like, yeah, he's just surrounding himself with yes men. And you see Sandival like crying to his friends, quote unquote friends. at the party and they're all just like yeah dude you're totally right like harry chan is like yeah yeah i got you and then jason's like and he came in here so hot it's like jason shut the fuck up and go to the pool like get away from the camera i also don't think that james came in james did not come into that party very hot he came in he came in he came in an awkward even not even hot i know have you seen james very hot jason you know like have you seen james very hot but it was also i know this is hard to put aside, but, like, James thinking this was a good time. I mean, okay, lame his birthday party on the planet, a joke to birthday parties and the

world. But James being like, I'm going to go and, like, confront him and get my apology during his birthday was just like a weird move. I mean, so weird that again, Ali, Queen Ali stays in the car because she's like, fuck this shit. I'm not going in. I mean, any other person, which, like, makes me appreciate her, you know, Raquel would have gone in.

Raquel would have fucking gone in. Oh, yeah. I do think there's a part of James that misses Sandable. And I think that's the root of it. I think he hides behind the fact that, like, oh, I wanted to confront him, like, there's my chance to go tell him, like, exactly how I'm feeling about everything. I don't think that's true. I think that he saw, like, some kind of opening that he could defend going over there

because then he immediately goes. to the emo night and the first thing he says he's like, oh, like he has the nerve to text me and like want me to go over there and this and that and acts like he was so pissed off to get the text initially. But if you go back to his conversation with Allie, he's like, I haven't really had a one-on-one with him. He just kind of iced me out and I haven't talked to him since. He didn't have that same angst or anger about him going into the conversation seemingly.

It more seemed to me like he wanted an apology so that he can move forward. Do you know it's all coming together for me now with what you said before? with the pride and the ego and him saying after that that he iced him out his anger is coming from yeah it's coming from him being heard by sand of all yep so badly because he feels like they were so close and he was his big brother and all this bullshit that he's like okay how did you do this to me and be how after that aren't you trying to be good with me like how don't you care that I'm not in your life. I think I have a different theory now because I think James, I think James is

starved for male friendship. If you go back to last year with Brock's boys and he starts making fun of all of the dudes and then he goes, you know what, actually, I think I could see myself going out and partying with these guys. And then he did it with Sandoval. And now even Schwartz, last year he was at odds with Schwartz the entire year for anything under the sun, but he still had Sandoval for the majority of the year. Now he doesn't have Sandoval anymore.

Who's he being nice to is Schwartz? Schwartz is coming over with plants and doing the dumb Schwartz things. And James is like, oh, yeah, come on over. Bring me another plant. Hey, you can come up in my DJ booth. Yeah, I'll talk to the group, or about Lake Tahoe for you. He's giving Schwartz a chance and it makes no sense. Schwartz isn't cool with really anybody.

Sheena just completely abandoned him after Emo Night. Rightfully so, because he went to Sandoval's first. Nobody else is really pining for Schwartz. And all of a sudden, James is it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Right. Guys, Schwartz, I mean, James hated. We really are amazing. James' dad.

It's the root. James' dad is a DJ all across the world. He wasn't home. He didn't have that male bond with his father. Now he searches for that and other men. He hasn't found it. He thought he had it in Sandoval. Sandoval did what his dad did and left him and went to New Zealand.

And now he's looking around. There you go. I mean, it is true also what you were saying, Shooter, because Schwartz hated, I mean, James hated Schwartz for the Rakell thing, whether fake or not or whatever. But that was a real thing in his face, not a cheating secret keeping thing. It was a like,

Schwartz wanted to hook up with Raquel. Raquel wanted to hook up with Schwartz. Like, they didn't care what James thought. So, yeah, he's completely good with Schwartz and he misses Sandoval, which, like, I know it's hard to think about right now, but if you guys could try, there were moments in history.

of the show where we do see Sandoval being a good friend to both James and like being there for Sanneval was the only person who could stand James in the group from the beginning. So I think that's why James has such a like, you know, kind of bond with him and also maybe doesn't want to let go because from the beginning, Sanneval was like, I don't care. Like I'm going to invite James or let him DJ at this party on a toilet. paper thing or whatever like he literally kept some sort of loyalty to him throughout the years even

when everybody hated james so sandoval did have his moments of like sticking up for his friends and you know i mean his relationship with schwartz is pretty toxic but he had moments of being a good friend to him too which i know we don't want to say any good things about him at all but but i think maybe he had been okay in his life at being a friend to some of his male friends. So I think that's why we're seeing his male friends struggle because they have experienced the good stuff. I don't know. He's like good at gift giving. He like, you know, makes them feel loved and, and, you know, all these things. Yeah, it might be right. I think we cracked us. Yeah, seriously. Oh my God, no.

Let's remember all the fendings that Standoval did for us over the years. I think he looked like a really, you know, bad partner, but I think he had moments of being a good friend. And I also, and people are going to hate me for this too, don't think that Schwartz needs to drop him because of the cheating scandal. I thought that the fact that everybody expected that of Schwartz was kind of like, first of all you might not know the whole story and Schwartz I mean it came out later that he knew

longer than right more and longer and was part of it and blah blah blah so again Ariana has all the right to be mad but Sandoval didn't do this to him you know so everyone wants

Schwartz to be super mad at Sandoval which again the other side to it is the leaving him with the business and the fucking one star reviews and all the shit and and picking up to the world tour that i mean schwartz should fucking hate him for you know what i mean but not for the cheating itself is what i don't i don't think that schwartz i don't even really have a problem with him going back and being friends with sandoval it's just him sitting down and saying

oh i need to like work on myself and figure out what's best for me and then within 24 hours going to tom's birthday party is a terrible look and it's a very dumb look by schwartz to go do that because look If you're just going to take that side of it, then just take that side of it. Because honestly, nobody else in the group is really supportive of you. Arianna is very mad at you. Katie, that's your ex, and she still gives you shit all the time. Sheena goes back and forth on you. Like, everybody's very wishy-washy with you.

But Sandoval, you know, yeah, he left you on the islands, but he has been a friend forever. So I don't blame him for going back to Sandoval. It's just in the way that he did it and he didn't give it enough time. And he didn't really voice how mad he actually was, what they had one conversation. And now they're back. Like, there should be a lot more. talk about there right but but it was like kind of the ship mindset there where it's like schwartz doesn't want to hold on to a grudge he wants to get back to the place where everyone's

at least cordial so they can move forward like he wants the friendship back and i agree with you amanda i don't think that it's grounds for him having to remove sandball from his life i think there's a long period in between where a lot of hard conversations need to be had but like you said he didn't cheat on Schwartz. So I think that there is still an area for them to become friends again. My problem is it doesn't need to be expedited as much as it has. Like, it doesn't need to be one conversation when Sandoval gets back from New Zealand. And you're like, oh, I really miss him, though. I really miss Sandoval. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's kind of like codependent. If he can't last, like, you know, and especially the anger is so understandable that he left him.

With this bar, with this business that was like hemorrhaging money and just bad vibes all around with all the mess and all the hate that Schwartz was getting for even being attached to him and like was like, okay, bye world tour plus fucking this show. So yeah, he he deserves to be he deserves to be very mad about that and and obviously can't. but again he's kind of like alone in this group because who is he talking to aside from like you said now him and james are fucking bonding but he doesn't really have anybody else either well it's going to be a big year for brock brock is going to step in as the number one guy in the group now that door is wide open we did peter where is peter yeah where is peter yeah where is i don't know there saw a picture of him in lvp this weekend oh you did sir they close bum is he still like sir he's still the manager there He's probably still the manager. He needs a promotion. He's been there long enough.

Bump him up a little bit. You kicked him off the show. At least give him like a promotion, general manager. Like something more. Like a general, yeah. Yeah, something. Just I feel bad for Pete now. That's where we've gotten to in this podcast.

But we have a couple of questions and then we'll wrap this up. But let's go to our Instagram real quick. Oh, we talked about this before we got on and recorded. perfect time to bring it up from Sabrina Saba 1 is Tom acting in his confessionals. We're asking me. Oh, I'm asking you, yes. Oh, we're asking everybody. It seems like Tom is being acting.

Yes, it seems. I would think that Tom is being acty. Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. I agree. Very clearly. And not only in his confessions, I think, all around. I think that he came into this season as,

an actor as a thespian if you will i mean let's not forget they all tried to be actors so they all have the experience all them they did and i feel like they're all under the guise of like we all could have been actors we just chose vanderpump instead yeah we could have made it guys we could have made it so i'm going to do it now let's do two more um let's see Oh, this is a good one. From the Julian Wilson, Lala can reach out to Raquel, but everyone hates Schwartz still. Thoughts? Yeah.

Listen, when Lala dropped that bomb at dinner last episode, I think it was probably a mix of shock from everyone and, like, appreciating her honesty. Also, maybe a missing piece is Lala telling them maybe off camera producers made me do this because they want Raquel. back on the show. That's a possibility that, like, will make people not mad, right? Because if not, like, how are they not mad? Possibility four, if I've listed four things this far, is Ariana and Lala are not friends. Okay. Ariana can't be mad at Lala.

Though it seemed throughout the years that Lala felt very comfortable voicing her opinions on their relationships and whatever, doesn't mean that they were close. So I think they're not. So I think it's a mix of those four things. I think whatever the first thing is, whatever the second thing is, the third one was the maybe producers. Oh, the first one was her honesty.

Right, right. Okay. The first one was she was honest right away. The shock. Honest shock. Honest shock. To maybe produce for intervention. Four.

Honest shock produce. poor not really friends can't be mad I think that's enough reasons but what do you guys think out of the four or do you think it might be like all of them I think it's more the group standing I feel like pretty much what you just said like they're not really friends

Lala kind of comes and goes and does whatever the hell she wants and she has her friends but she's not as close with Ariana whereas I feel like Schwartz is just like the human punching bag So if he does something wrong, obviously they're going to turn on him And they're not really trying to get him back Because he doesn't really serve much of a purpose Whereas Lala kind of does I wonder like imagine if Sheena

If Sheena came and said she texted Workout Like she would be punched in the face by Katie Yeah I don't think that she would admit it though Right So I think it's also a mix of like Lala can do Oh there's option five

Lala can do whatever the fuck she wants Yeah that's yeah That's the ultimate reason. That's ultimate reason. Lala could literally do whatever the fuck is. She could literally like blow up. Do you remember how she came for Brock and like his kids and like. Oh yeah.

Alice could fucking do that. But still you were going to say something. All it took was a crying apology from her and then Brock was cool with her again. I could stand in front of Lala tears. I could never. Right? You can't hold up to it. I think that I mean you guys pretty much hit all the reasons.

I think we've got eight or nine of them now. We need to list them all. again in order no but i think a big part of it also is because she admitted it immediately after the fact and i think that a big part of everyone's anger with this whole thing was the fact that it was kept under wraps and people were lying people were hiding things and this and that so i think that even if ariana took it a certain way for her to just say you know it's all good because you told me partly, like you're just honest about it. I think that went a long way. And I think the biggest factor, honestly, I think it was option four and option two. I think that it's one,

Lala can do whatever. That was five is Lala. It can do whatever the fuck Lala once. But I think the biggest part is number four in the fact that they're not actually friends before this. And I think that by stating that at the table initially where she's like, where are we, where do we stand. I need to know. And in light of that, I want to be honest with you, since we are going to move forward in a friendship, I reached out to Raquel. And I think that it looks better for Ariana to be like, thank you for telling me. We're cool. Let's work on our friendship. Right. I think that it speaks volumes to that friendship if they're able to be open and honest. And then that can actually bridge whatever gap they might have had in the past.

I mean, do you guys remember like I was born fucking cool? Like they've had issues. Oh, yeah. They've had a lot of issues. choose. They've had, they've more not vibe than vibed, you know. So I don't think they would vibe if it wasn't for Scandival. Honestly, I don't think they would ever have gotten to a point where they're like, they could be cordial, but they just, they don't mix well together. They always seem like, remember when Stasi was trying to be friends with Ariana? Yes. Yeah, exactly. And Ariana and Stasi was like desperate for it. She was like, you're cool, I'm cool. We have the same birthday. And it just wasn't the vibe. So I think like, Lala and Ariana had to be around each other.

And Lala did show up at least on social media for Ariana as far as we know and stood up for her publicly. And I mean, she just supported her first night in Chicago and like she's there for the moments. You know what I mean? But that doesn't mean that Ariana's expectations, you know, are fully there from Lala the same way they would be for and from someone else. But again, we don't know. We do know that they were pining to get Raquel back on the show. So this might have been another move. Well, my theory on that is, you know,

I think Ariana's leaving the show after the season. And I think Raquel is coming back. And that gives you an automatic season 12. That's what I, that's my hot take. Damn. I think that she's going to go on bigger and better things. And then I think that Raquel is going to come back into the fold. Because I think the rest of the group, there's a, there's a space for the rest of the group to move forward.

Like, Sheena, she could become friends with Raquel again. I could see that happening. It would be a part of the other ones, but the dudes in the group, they'll get over it. And Ariana seems like she's, you know, she's on Broadway. She's doing things. She's making moves. And this is probably not the career she envisioned as a reality TV star, but doing these other things is something she wants to do. So if that does work and she's able to find work and continue to.

find work. I don't think she needs it anymore. And she also doesn't have to be on camera with Sandoval anymore. And could you imagine the ratings of episode one season 12 if Raquel walks back on the screen? That'd be fucking huge. Yeah. That depends on how this season goes. Yeah. That's my point though. No. If this season tanks, you could still be like, well, Rachel's coming back and everyone will still tune in. It's an ace in a hole. Yeah. It might not be sustainable, though. because what does Raquel actually bring to the show? We don't need to go into this conversation.

No, no. No, not sustainable. Not sustainable, but definitely a one-hit wonder. And keep on watching just in case. Yeah. You know, just in case it gets good. Good plug for the show there. But do you have anything coming up?

Anything you need to plug? I do not. Oh, well, we have our live show coming up March 6th. Okay, then we will. I'm just kidding. City Winery in Philadelphia. So if you haven't gotten those tickets yet, go to the link in our Instagram bio

and get your tickets come hang out. Tickets are selling fast. So make sure you go quickly to get them so you don't miss out. But other than that, thank you so much for joining us. This was a blast. Oh, thank you for having me.

And city winery is fun in New York, so I'm sure it'll be fun in Philly. Oh, yeah. We were there too. Yep. Awesome. Get it, guys. Get it, bros.

We won't. All right. Well, shoot together. This was fun. No, I'm good. Thanks, Manda. All right, guys. Thank you so much.

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