Bros & Shows - Venom in the Viper Room (Part 1 of 2)(RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

What's up Bros? We are back with RHOBH and there was so much to discuss this episode we had to break it up into 2 parts. In part 1, we get to meet Boz's boyfriend Keely. Erika and Dorit catch up and Dorit fills her in about an upcoming therapy session with PK. Then we get a little more discussion on whether or not Kyle and PK are texting one another. They also discuss Sutton and her ability to go low when some ladies in the group are going through it. Our theory is that she just doesn't want to be left out and hoped that Dorit would confide in her, and when she didn't she felt left out again and lashed out. Boz and Dorit sit down to recap the therapy session and after a 4 hour back and forth, PK stormed out and slammed the door. But not before he told both Dorit and their therapist "This is why I want a divorce!". There might be some theories out there that this is staged and or exaggerated a bit... but we'll let youse be the judge. Garcelle has an extremely touching scene when she goes over her experience with Oliver and his addiction. Retelling a very difficult night in which she had to refuse to let Oliver into her house. But to see him thriving now with his son and his family around him was pretty special. Dorit and Erika discuss the potential texts between Kyle and PK over facetime before the Viper Room, and Erika gives Dorit the ok to bring it up at her event.... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's mostly just us stuttering or forgetting what happens. Yep, pretty much. but we're here to talk rob her tonight and we've had a two week hiatus from the show oh three maybe it's been a while three yeah i think because it it lands on that tuesday we haven't had it since the tuesday before christmas eve so yeah three weeks that's right yeah it's been three weeks without it but we're only on episode six and i guess that's obviously because of the delay so we got a lot more episodes to cover but i will say i like this season still i like this episode i am enjoying to read still i like that she's still stepping up to the plate i'm just curious

where they're going to go from here because at some point and you can see kyle's getting you know fed up with it now which if you're fed up with it and stop being an asshole but at some point we the viewer are going to get tired of so i'm curious what the next step is i don't know if sutton it appears to me that sutton's going to take on the villain role if she hasn't already done so with this episode yeah and i think that might be the the focal point of this season is her versus a lot of the women in the group because she doesn't have a whole lot of friends right now like Tilly obviously is on her team but even in her confessional she's like I see what they're saying so she understands that

Sutton's not performing super well right now I mean it's entertaining to watch but leading off the season with sisterhood and then doing this kind of stuff is kind of strange approach yeah it's kind of weird and look I mean we're fans of Sutton on this show we've spoken to her multiple times she is really cool in real life but we can separate that from the show i can see now starting this episode and obviously you know there's been inklings in the past there's a lot of people online that just flat out don't like sutton and i can see where they're coming from after this episode like i understand why they don't like her i still enjoy her i still think there's separate times where she is actually really good for the show and i still think

she can be good for the show in this role she just has to get her shit together in the sense of not popping off immediately as we see towards the end of this episode, just kind of understanding where people are coming from and then striking when it's appropriate. It seems like she just gets rattled very quickly and then goes off and then you see that side of her, which I don't think it's fair to say, oh, that's the real Sutton. That's kind of where the narrative's going. I don't think that's true. It's not the real her. It's just that's where she gets to when she gets flustered. And I think she gets flustered a little too easily, whereas she could just kind of hang out in the back, good pop by that fire. I told you, this blog's going crazy over here. So those of you at home that

weren't here before we started this. I have my wood stove and I put a log on there that was too big and now it keeps popping way too loud. But no. Popping it up. I agree. I think that the real Sutton, I don't think, is when she lashes out and stuff like that. I mean, I think that's part of the real Sutton because she continues to do it.

I don't think she's a bad person, obviously. I think that she gets rattled so fast. Like they get in her head. She immediately starts going off and it goes from zero to a hundred. but it's almost like she doesn't understand that just because you're saying, like, I'm there for you, that your tone is awful. So, yes, you're saying, I'll be there for you, but you let it off by being rude and saying a rude comment. You try to reel it in and settle things down with a strange tone.

And you have to also understand in the moment, once you set the stage here, you're going to escalate things already and you're going to get the same in return. And Doreet, as we've seen this season, she's ready to go. Like, she's quick to fire back as well because she's fed up. She's had enough of being pushed around, which I really like. I like this Doreet. It's a call back to Doreet of old. And she does a good job.

It's almost like when Doreet is in this mode. We've seen the Doreet the last few seasons when she starts talking. It's word salad, word salad, word salad. When she's this Doreet, she's fairly pointed. Like she really doesn't waste words. No, she's not really wasting words. However, we are talking about the scope of the show and where we think the rest of the season is going to go. It is Doreet.

She is very long-winded. I could see this argument with Kyle going very long past where we're just done with it because either Kyle's going to shut down, which is probably going to happen. And she's not going to talk about it. She's not going to engage with Doreet anymore. And Dorete still needs to get all of her thoughts out. I think that's kind of where we're heading. I think we're going to have Sutton on an isolation on her own island over there, just kind of defending herself when she doesn't even need to defend herself. that's kind of where she gets into a pickle.

And I think the rest of the ladies are just going to have to fall in line. They're going to have to not really pick sides, but they're just going to have to figure out where they fit into the show. I mean, we're seeing a completely different Erica Jane where, yeah, she's having conversations with Doreet about Sutton's real, you know, where her real personality is and what she's actually going to do. But she's just trying to find her own way. And I do enjoy the Erica Jane scenes,

but I also understand where people are asking, what does she do for the show? So I need her to get a little bit more involved. But it's going to be hard to get in, involved because you have Kyle and Dorit going after each other. Kyle's going to shut down, Sutton's on an island, and then everybody else just kind of has to figure it out. So I hope that they get it in line. I hope that they can do something that's entertaining for us to watch. And it doesn't just get dull and boring and old very quickly,

which I could see that as well. So I'm a little tentative. I'm not throwing the tail end by any means, but I am a little tentative just because I understand the dynamic of this group and where it tends to go. You get people to check out. But I don't know. I'm still obviously very hopeful. When we get to this, my brain is starting to slip in a direction that I don't, I don't really like. But I've got a tinfoil hat on part of my brain, and I don't really care for it. Oh, interesting. Are you going to share yet, or are you going to wait until we get to that? I'll share when it's appropriate, and you'll be able to tell probably by my facial expressions. Okay. All right. Well, why don't we jump into this episode? And I got to start it out with Dorete's

daughter, Phoenix, her ballet skills at eight years old. That was impressive. Exactly. starts. He's like, don't, I believe, I believe that was a pirouette. I do not know. That is the only word that I know for ballet, so I hope it is. It's a spin, right? Yeah, that's a pirouette. That's a pirouette, right? That's got to do what that is. My aunt was on the New York City ballet, and she is the choreographer for them now. I'll text her. That's actually true. She was in Black Swan, everybody, which all the way, you know what, fuck it. Little side note here. This is funny as shit. So, again, watching. black swan while i was playing baseball i was bored throw black swan on and natalie portman in the scene

where she's working with the teacher um and how to like flap her wings correctly i was watching i'm like oh my god that's chrissey so chrissey my aunt christine red pass he danced in new york city ballet her entire career she dated brychnikov that's also true and so chrissey was in this movie so i texted bruce my step that i was like yo chrissey's in black swan he's like oh yeah and She has no idea what it is. Like she lives in her own bubble in the other East. I has no clue what it is. Didn't know that Natalie Portman was a famous actress.

I was just like, oh yeah, she did this like movie the other day. So yeah. Anyway, shout out to Doreat's daughter. Great pirouette or whatever. So you have an aunt that knows a lot about ballet and all you have is pirouette.

Yeah, and her husband was a balladeer on the New York City ballet and I still, I know pirouette. I watched her dance in the Nutcracker. It's beautiful. But yeah, that's a like pirouette. A curtcy.

Beautiful. You can do a curtsy. I don't fucking know. But let's get down to business. We got Bose with her boyfriend, Keeley, down in Malibu, and I like learning a little bit more about Bose and her dating life. And it's a long-distance relationship, San Diego, Beverly Hills. But look, they spice things up by talking every day multiple times a day, which to me just sounds like a relationship. Yeah, no, I really appreciate the Bose.

And more, I guess more importantly, Keeley agreed to be on because how many times do we see people bring on or start talking about significant others or people that they're dating and then we just never see anything about it on the show. So I'm happy that we got to see Keeley. I'm happy that we got to meet him. Now, I will say he looked very scared to be on camera. That man did not want to be on. He did not know what to say. Those conversations were painfully awkward in the beginning. And then they did start warming up.

but I could not help but think, like, all right, this was a little rehearsed in the car on the way over. He didn't really know what to say. He tried to start off one way, went a different way, and just froze. And I loved it. I thought it was funny. I found it comical, but you can tell right away. And look, you know what? The camera's not for everybody.

Hopefully he warms up and just likes it. But again, we have to learn more about Bose. She is a new housewife. She fits in very well. I like her dynamic with everybody. I like that she is Doreet's friend, which is very interesting. And I think that she has a lot of promise. I do too. And I like that she is always seemingly flabbergasted at how these women treat each other.

She's like, it just goes off no matter what. And then they start going for the jugular every time. It's like, yeah, welcome to housewives. But that's a good perspective to have because I think by sitting in the background, watching how it's played a little bit when it is time for her to get activated and get involved, I think she's going to be really, really good at it. I think she's going to handle herself very well because those are the ones you don't want to fuck with, people that are just like quiet. sitting by the side and like, oof, this is crazy. Why are all these women going after each other? And then you get her involved. Those are the ones you don't want to mess with. So I'm curious how she's going to get involved in that regard. Like who's going to piss her off? I have a feeling it's going to be Sutton at some point. And you might see those two square off. Almost already is. Yeah. You know, I mean, we'll see. But as these two keep talking, they're just discussing the future.

and I thought the move with the raspberry because she brings up marriage and I like Keeley because this dude's no bullshit right he's a man he's a man man he's mature straight to the point she's like are you dating for marriage he's like that's the only reason that I date

where are we in that that situation he's like ha ha here's a raspberry at least acknowledge it and said I knew that's where this was going to go I saw two steps ahead I could see the future and I knew that you were going to ask that question. Here's a raspberry.

There you go. Yeah. He at least acknowledged it and laughed at all. Yeah, she's like, are you doing that to shut me up? He's like, here's another one. But we keep moving. And we get to Doreet and Erica. And I will say it's nice to see that Dorete has her parents there a little bit more support,

which she definitely needs right now. Whether you're on team Doreet or not, she's going through a lot of shit. And I can't imagine trying to go through all of this with somebody like PK, like the more and more that we hear each week. And we've never been high. on him. We liked when P.K. and Moe would like pal around a little bit. Ah, here is the tinfoil hat moment. Why did you let a rip? I think it's fake. I had the same thought during this

scene, which is funny you say that. I don't think it's just seemed played up. The whole thing about like, it's definitely played up. But when it gets played up with Doreat, I think the worst for some reason. I don't know why. And this is why I'm saying, I don't like it. I don't like that that's where my brain is going because I want to believe her. Just there's a big part of me that just thinks that it's fake. And then I obviously go down the rabbit hole of the whole insurance thing. And yeah, yeah, like it's just a lot of these things just seem off. There's something really off.

And it can't be accredited to just, well, Doreet's a little eccentric and she's typically off. Like, I get that part of it. But when she's talking more and more and more, I'm like, I don't know if this happened. And then is it really played up? And then is it just fake? And it's a storyline for Doreet to stay on the show. And then they're going to get back together next year. And it's just going to be like water under the bridge or what are we going to

have here and it's just something's telling me that something's off and i don't know what your mind at ease let me try to put your mind at ease you can try yeah i don't know what i saw because when she pops off about he came in and how he handled the situation first of all i could definitely see that because we saw him in therapy last season when the therapist came to the house and he's eating pizza and drinking beer doesn't have the calls her PTSD obnoxious which that's not fake he wasn't faking that part which is fucking insane but could i see him coming in in with that kind of temperament, 100%. Absolutely.

Could I see him storming out and slamming a therapist door, which, by the way, psycho? Like, that's somebody's place of work. I can't imagine like, wham, walking out of a therapist office. But here's where I can see it being real. We've seen Dorek do this time and time again with stories. Like, we've seen it, right? We watch the scene, but then when you hear her tell what happened, it is very much played up. And she keeps talking and talking.

and talking kind of winding and weaving this story together to make it seem like it was a bigger deal than it was now I think that's what this was I don't think that this is fake I really don't I think that it is played up because that's who Dorita is I think that she's not even playing it up for the show necessarily I think that's who she is I think when she tells stories and retells events yeah I think it gets gassed up so I think in this moment and you got somebody in Bose and the line that she says is hysterical to me she's like I love to listen and Doreet loves to talk. This is a match made in heaven. It really is like her best friend. Like this could not be a better situation. So she's got somebody that's

going to sit there and actually attentively listen to her. So I think that Dorete is seeing Bose's facial expressions and body language and she's buying into all of this. And she's like, and it was four hours and he slammed the door. And like she just starts to kind of weave this bigger story together. I don't know how explosive it was, but that's what I think. The problem is And you always know this. When somebody's lying, they tell way too many details. They go on for way too long. And it's a really hard thing to do when it comes to Doreet in particular because she does that about the most innocuous shit.

She will talk to the ends of the world about something that really just doesn't matter. But she's talking so much now. So it's really hard to separate the two because if anybody else did this, I'd be like, oh, they're lying. Like they're just making shit up at this point. Doree could be doing that, but she tends to do that in the first place. So now it's really hard for me to actually wrap my head around it. It's just a feeling I have that something's really off with the whole thing. And look, it could just be as simple as maybe they're having money issues and they need to separate

and they're going to figure something out and then they're going to get back together later. But this is also a really good storyline. So they're going to kind of do something like that. And maybe they do. I mean, we've seen them as a couple. It didn't really make a whole lot of sense to begin with. And the way that they treat each other, the way that he treats her in particular, especially in that therapist seen last year, obviously they're not a good fit.

And it doesn't really make sense for them to be married. But I could see FK coming up with this plan of we've got money issues. We need to separate. We need to separate some assets. Maybe we'll figure something else out. And then we can come back together. It's also going to give you a good storyline. This is all going to work out really well.

And it gets overly produced. And it could just be it was his idea. And then he ran with it. And then they started fighting about it. And then they separated and Doret's just treating it seriously. And that's why she's freaking out. I don't know. It's just a feeling I have that something's off here.

And I don't fully trust it. And I wish that I would. because I do feel bad if she is actually going through it and it is actually real I feel bad that I don't trust it but I don't trust it you know you can't just change me

I'm not trying to change you I said let me try to put your mind at ease settle down oh hi buddy who's the best you are I wish I could spend all day with you instead uh Dave you're off mute

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and they're going over, again, her situation. It's the first time, this is pre-therapy session. And it's first time going to therapy with BK. But they get into the Sutton stuff and the Camille stuff and all of that. And again, the sentiment, as I was too forgiving for too long, I would just kind of bend the knee. It's that era is over with me. And people are mistaken my kindness for weakness.

And that gets into the Sutton stuff. this is a point and it's a good point and look erika's had her issues with sutton she's always had those issues we've seen them i think they're friends as friendly as they're going to get you know what i mean like yeah they're cordial they can laugh together cordiality all that stuff they can giggle and have a good time they're never going to be besties and that's fine i think both of them are okay with that but a good point was made that this is not the first time we've seen sutton kick somebody when they're down and the first time we saw i mean when erika was going through her shit obviously the whole group kind of teed off on her so that's not only

sutton but you did see it with kyle when she was going through it and then now you see it with three my only defense do you want to call it that my only defense i guess i think that part of it and i think that this is an underlying thing with sutton in general i think that she's afraid to be left out of things and i think that when people in the group are going through things she feels some type of way that no one confides in her about it. She's not the go-to when it comes to somebody talking about their problems and working through them. And I think that that bothers her.

So I think that she takes issue with it. Instead of having a constructive conversation with the person going through it, I think she tries to be like, I'm there for you. And when they don't reciprocate or come to her and be like, hey, I need you. And she sees them doing with somebody else. She feels some type of way. She gets irritated and she goes after them and says something stupid. it. And I think that it all stems from her wanting to be part of the group or friends with somebody and

feeling left out. Yeah. I think that's 100% sure. That's how I've used Sutton as well. And I think that the friendship or lack thereof, if you want to call it that for Erica and Sutton is, Sutton is excited that Erica could be a friend. She wants Erica to be a friend. She's just like licking your chops of the prospects of it in every scene that we see where they're kind of getting along together and they're sharing a little bit and there's a little bit of respect there you go to the confessional and erika's like uh who the fuck could have seen this like me actually respecting sutton then you go to sutton she's like erika and i are friends we're best exactly we're the same person and it's like that is their dynamic now i viewed this scene a little different though because of

where erika is and because she's a little cautious when it comes to a friendship with sutton and obviously we know how she feels about sutton erika's still pissed off and she's still salty about how she was treated with going through the fucking earring thing she is still pissed off about that like i know that like we don't talk about it that much anymore but she talked about it was at the beginning of this season the like the very first episode she started talking about how oh yeah everybody's going over and having a fucking pizza party with why didn't i have a pizza party i didn't like she's still pissed off about that but the therapist is what's going on do you think you deserve a pizza party and she was like oh you're right she definitely agreed there's progress there

and i do like that we at least see a little bit of progress and she's at least a little more self-aware. But when it comes to Sutton, you just pointed it out. Everybody gave her a hard time about the fucking earrings. Everybody gave her a hard time about her behavior that season. Why is it just Sutton that's being singled out? This is just an opportunity for Erica to talk a little bit of shit because she's still salty. That's all I saw it as. And she now has somebody else talking about it. She's not going to do it with Kyle. Kyle did it last year. She kind of did a couple of snide remarks. But this is a very good opportunity for Erica to bring it back to her and what happened with her. She wants to talk more about how people treated her, and she's going to start

with Sutton. So that's how I viewed that scene for her. I agree with that, actually. I think that part of that is because Sutton will continue to put herself in stupid positions, whereas Erica's made friends, again, with the majority of the group. She's cool with Kyle. She's cool with DeReed. She's cool with Garcel. Like, she's cool with pretty much everybody, but she still has some, it's always going to be a contentious relationship with Sutton. Yeah. I think that that's probably where that comes in. But let's keep trucking to a very touching scene. And fine, I got choked up a little bit. Whatever. Leave me alone, everybody. I'm sick of Bravo making me cry. It's pissing me off. But as we get into this scene, Garcel's going to

a beach house with her kids. I mean, it's pretty amazing considering the journey that she's had. So to get to this point in her life, as we talked about last week, when they went to the beach house the first time. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. And to share it with your kids has to be a great feeling. And Oliver goes with O.J., his son. And Garcell gets into his backstory. And we've heard this before just as far as the fact that he had an addiction problem and went through it. It was pretty rough for a long time. But hearing her open up about her perspective during that and what she had to go through. And again, we equate this to what Mary had to go through. And there's similar sentiments like where did i go wrong what did i do how did he end up this way why is this my fault

like clearly i messed up somewhere which is so gut-wrenching to hear every time that we hear it but for her to open up about what i would imagine is probably one of the worst nights of her life when she was at her house and there's a knock on her door and it's oliver and such a powerful image in this moment that i was so happy that she she brought up is he was there in body but his eyes it wasn't him his body language like it's not him that's the best way to describe somebody inactive addiction like they're not here like yes it's their face it's their body they look there just there's something different there's just nothing behind the eyes something else is driving the ship so to hear that explanation i was like oh that's so powerful and then to hear

her her say like i had to sit there and listen like let me in let me in and just pretend like i wasn't home and I had to watch my son walk away and I can't imagine as a parent you know obviously I put my whole family through this so like seeing this kind of stuff it always hits me really hard to see the other side of things but what I took from this which is such a positive thing between this and Mary how Bravo has gone about showing these kinds of scenes is so fucking important and something they need to take a note of I don't know if it's the production companies doing it if bravo pushed it but to show robert junior for example at his worst in that moment where they're talking and then to show

him get up on his feet and go to rehab and then we get updates now to show the the hope and the positivity that can come from this stuff and the support that you can get from your family is so fucking cool and then you see this scene we get that terrible story and then you flash immediately over and it's all of us sitting there with his son and his mom in their beach house and everybody's happy and um i think that something that was so tough to watch with um with oc was they left the door open to speculate sometimes when it came to shannon they never just kind of nailed at home and said she's doing better she's trying her best to get through this they always left it somewhat open that always irritated me in these scenes what they can

do for people that have gone through it for people that have family members going through it to to watch them have these moments where it's like, look what you can get when somebody figures it out. Look how positive this is. Oliver is a great dad. They look happy. Everything's worked out. It's so amazing. And those are the people that are stricken with this illness, with addiction, with alcoholism.

It's people like that. They're not bad people. And Bravo's done a great job now with two shows showing that. And I think that that's what they need to do because this is a recurring theme in all of these shows. and this was such a great fucking moment to show that story and then immediately show Oliver

now with his son and his family and I just like I applaud them for that this was a great scene it really was a great scene yeah I'm not going to sit here and applaud Bravo for doing it I'm going to applaud Garcel and Mary for doing it yeah yes you're yeah Bravo could have fallen

falling fucking ass backwards into this for all we know because of the way that they've handled shit in the past I'm not going to stand up and start like banging my drum and say Bravo did a great job it's Garcel it's Mary that actually sat there decided to share it and this is this was heart wrenching this is something that i didn't expect going into this i thought it was just going to be another scene like oh look the beach house is ready and you know what first off it's an actual beach house so i've got nothing to say about the interior it's a beach house all right this is a real house it's not your

primary residence Ashley Taylor Taylor it's a fucking beach house so there's beach things and it still looks better than the other people's houses so let's get that part out of the way the rest of it was i thought it was going to be a ho-hum family all together all right you know let's get all together blah blah blah and then bam just hit us over the head with this one this one came out of nowhere on me it was i mean like i said i'm just going to applaud garcel for sharing it because that can't be fucking easy to share how many people do you think she told that story to before she actually shared it with the bravo audience like not many probably not really most of the women in the group no like that is crazy to me that she's just got enough bravery

or whatever you want to say, just enough Moxie to just sit there and be like, yeah, this is what happened. I'm going to share the most intimate details of my relationship with my son, who's going through a lot. And this is where he is now. And now I've got a grandson. And this is incredible. And he's saved his life.

He's changed his life. I hope that this continues because obviously it's a long struggle. It's a long journey. But he's on the right path. And we will have to see that. And this is now what, like four years of us knowing Oliver at this point. Like we just keep seeing him here and there, here and there, here and there. And now we know the whole story.

it's like oh fuck yeah it's this is crazy no good on her for sharing good on good on her for sharing yeah and it was really it was a great scene it really it was touching but let's keep going so i can stop getting choked up it's fucking uh-huh you know allergies there's cutting onions back here but we get to dureit and bows and we touched in this scene a little bit already i mean we we talked about it for the most part but again i think that this is going to be a long standing friendship between these two. This makes sense to me because she finally found somebody to listen to her. And I think that that has been one of the biggest issues for Doreet and why she takes the

approach that she has the past few years is because everyone just rolls their eyes at her when she starts talking. Yeah. I'm not saying that she's been a great castmate for the past few years. We said last year multiple times, get her out of here. She's not doing anything. This is boring. We're over it.

We're done with Doreet. But then you think about her reception in the group every time she's She tries to talk anyway. They're like, oh, here we go again. I roll, I roll. And I think that maybe that's why this season you're getting a little bit different because she found somebody to talk to that wants to actually fucking listen to her. I think that, yeah, I mean, we could get that for the rest of the season.

That's for sure. I think that the other part of this is we've seen so many scenes where it's just to read talking. And she just keeps going by herself and nobody is chiming in. So at least now we've got like a hype woman. We've got those over there just like, oh, fuck, are you kidding me? Tell me more. It's like, all right, well, at least there's a second voice here because after a certain point, like the third or fourth minute, Bravo is either going to do that edit where they go in and out and in and out and just kind of chop it all together, or we're going to have to sit there and listen to it for another five minutes. So at least now we've got a second voice to jump in just to let us know, hey, there's something going on here, guys, because I tend to zone out when she starts talking.

So look, I like it. I hope it lasts. I don't get the vibe from Bose that she's going to turncoat. I don't really see that. I don't think so. She seems to stand in her in her laurels pretty hard. Yeah, and I think more importantly right now, what DeRite needs, tinfoil hat is away. What DeRite needs is friends. She needs somebody that she can talk to because the people that she would have talked to, Kyle, aren't listening.

They're fucking sending memes. So she needs somebody that's actually going to sit there and listen to her and she's going to be able to get everything off of her chest. And I think that's probably what we're getting. And now we're getting a more sharp focus to read because whether it's the anger or the, hurt or whatever the hell's going on, it's working. And now she's got an outlet to talk to too. So maybe she can, like, formulate her thoughts. Yeah, I know, but here's what I say about Eric.

There's always an agenda with Erica. Yeah, but at the same time, when Erica's talking to people one-on-one, specifically, and Dev pointed this out, she's always inquisitive. Like, that's a good trait to have. She always asks, how's the family, how's Phoenix, how's this, how's that? That's important. That shows that she's actually paying attention. And maybe that's the new Erica Jane, maybe that's part of this transformation that she's

going through. I'm not entirely sure. But between. Maybe the fact is that like Doret feels like she's actually standing on our own two feet this season because of the separation from Kyle. Like maybe that was the caveat that we needed was to get Kyle out of the picture. So this, this thing blowing up is what we needed to push her to this next level. I'm not entirely sure. But I think that I speak for a lot of people that we're enjoying this to read, whether it's played up or not. I mean, obviously these shows are going to be better than what we've got in the last five season, so I'll take you. Exactly. Exactly. But let's keep going because we talked about most of that stuff. The only thing is, again, Bose definitely feels some type of way about Sutton

at this point because she really took to heart when Sutton said, you're not mad at me, you're mad at your life. And again, wait, well, wait, well, wait, well, wait, I'll try to wait. Well, we're getting stuck on fucking words again, which I hate. What's the word today? Weaponize. When people get offended by words. I didn't get to stay weaponized. Not you. no no i'm saying they did oh yeah they did in a big way yeah it's like something's like four years behind on that trend the trend was back in 2020 you would get upset about words yeah now now god remember that's like weapon eyes really hurts me it's shut up yeah don't do that again that was yeah that was a tough that was a tough run right there but it's like vpr started that i think with

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It was weaponizing trauma was VPR. And it's like, yeah, come on, guys. And then it crossed over to, like, Summer House and all those. It's like, shut up. Yeah, let's just move on. God damn it. With MX Platinum. Access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you as a spot trackside.

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But he was just so cinematic the way he was walking through her house, his verbiage, like the words that he was using. I don't take this lightly, but I would actually watch, and I don't like watching those shows. If he had a show, like an interior design show. We tried to do like the sold on salt lake thing. I was boring as shit to me. I don't care about the real estate things. They're all just like kind of out there for me. I don't really care.

I would watch a show with this guy in a heartbeat because he was ruthless in this scene. He did not care. He took no prisoners and Erica was hanging on every one of his words. It was incredible. So was I. He was just cat-pitating. He could definitely have a show. I would watch that.

I would watch that beat. And we would not cover it. We would keep that to ourselves. Yeah, that's our thing. We need to have our own pleasures, guys. Yeah, we need. Different word. We can use a different word.

Our own, I don't even want to try to figure that one out. I just want mutual pleasure. What do you want? If you and I are just watching, we just get to just talk about it, you know? get some pleasure from it together anyway you just keep you get it out of your system so we can move on we have a live audience right i don't think i can get it out of my system i think it's just there yeah okay well anyway we get to a little face time between dorit and erika jane before that though we get another little snippet and uh these snippets from garcel i want more

i want more stories i want her to get into this stuff more because she's talking about the Viper Room, which I guess was owned at some point, or is it still owned by Johnny Depp, or was it owned previously by Johnny Depp? He was probably a part owner, maybe, I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. But she made out with him. So we got Johnny Depp, Sean Penn.

Who else? Leo? I don't know if Leo was mentioned. I don't think so. I can't remember. But I want to hear about her, like what she did back in the day, like her modeling career, like the cool parties that she went to. the she knows like legit celebrities and i want to hear about that stuff because it's really

fucking interesting but we only get like little snippets here and there kelly higgins in the chat that's that's a great point i need to see garcell's list i think we all do i think they should do an episode where she has a list and she talks about it that would be incredible awesome because she's got it like she's been there it's fucking cool i want to hear this shit but maybe this group needs a uh like an ashley darby to sit down and be like hey let's let's let's Let's play a game. Garcel, just tell us everybody that you hooked up with. What's your list?

We're going to play the list with Garcel. But we get to that Derreet and Erica Jane FaceTime. And this was confusing. I don't know why they wouldn't show the scene of Erica asking Derreet before. Because the way it makes it look is Derreet asks her, are PK and Kyle speaking. I thought that came out of nowhere. And that made me think that it was now. I'm like, okay, this is fake.

because they didn't show the previous seat until after that where they're at lunch or something and Erica's like do you think they're still talking and then now DeReed's asking that back so this is a previous conversation that already had. The rest of the group had already heard it too like Sutton

Erica says she didn't. Did she there? I don't think Eric was there no no no no Garcel and Sutton had a very like ho-hum response to it that was kind of weird too and I imagine that other people I heard it.

Yeah, no, I don't know. In this episode, she's like, if that happened to me, I would call my friend and be like, what the fuck are you doing? I was like, what you said the other day? Like, you kind of messed it off. I agree. Yeah. No, it was very weird.

Yeah, that's actually a really good point. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, remember when they were getting a little tattoo, they were doing a little tattoo thing, Garcel asked her. And she was like, yeah, they're friends. But now that tonight at the Viper Room, she's like, if I'd happen, if my friend did that, I'd be livid. It's like, well, what?

What are we doing here? Yeah. Inconsistencies with Sutton could be another show. That would really fuck my brain up. But they're discussing this whole thing. And DeReed says, you know, I wouldn't put it past P.K. And she implies it would be to get more details about her life. Yeah.

I have to firmly disagree with that. I truly don't think P.K. gives a shit. I think P.K. cares about himself. I think that any man that has children, small children, and refuses to talk to their mother for weeks at a time because you need separation because you're too codependent or whatever the fuck that whole thing was about.

If you're not communicating about your children and then you're going off to London because you get in a fight and you're like, I'm going overseas for three weeks. You're leaving your children for a month. I truly think that this guy only gives a fuck about himself. I think he's only concerned about himself. I think he made that very clear when he has his first sit down

with their dinner and he's like, look at single PK, look at my outfit. It's like, you guys are separated. She's pretty upset, and you're talking about your fit, which looks like shit, by the way. Also, you're wearing a black t-shirt and black jeans. What he's Steve Jobs? Like, fuck off.

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