Bros & Shows - Venom in the Viper Room (Part 2 of 2)(RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

What's up Bros? Welcome to part 2 of our RHOBH recap! We pick up at the Viper Room for Erika's event. Sutton expresses concern to J Tilly that shes nervous about Boz getting the wrong impression after Boz said Sutton weaponized Dorit's pain. She immediately approaches Boz in the Viper Room and says "dont weaponize!"... they have a discussion and Boz keeps it cordial in person, but in a confessional its pretty clear that Boz is skeptical of Sutton to say the least... Kyle brings her new pal Kesha to the event and can't help but make a joke regarding the Morgan Wade stuff, to which we say, if you dont want us to talk about it... Why are you bringing it up again? Erika debuts her new single and the ladies sit around the table and Dorit wastes no time getting into it with Kyle trying to figure out the relationship she has with PK. Sutton says another off-color comment that Dorit "can't shield her kids forever" and while we do think that she is attempting to speak from a place of understanding, there is far too much stank on what she said AND she broke rule number 1 of leaving the kids out of it, so this was a huge swing in a miss on her part. This leads to her and Dorit being "CORDIAL" from here on out and not friends. Kyle and Dorit get back into it and the whole group agrees its pretty strange that Kyle and PK still text, even though Kyle continues to defend it. Things escalate and now Kyle is done with Dorit. Who knows where this feud will go but so far this has been an entertaining season and we are hoping they can continue this way. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov bros. DeReed implies that she wants to just ask Kyle about it.

And why I do like Erica in certain moments is because of stuff like this. It's her night, right? She's dropping her single at the Viper Room. she's having a party for it. She flat out tells her, tonight's a great night. Do it tonight. Bring it up.

That'd be great. Blow it up at my party. Ask Kyle if she is texting your husband. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, so I like that she just leans into the chaos sometimes. So that's a point for her.

But we get to the Viper room, briefly, just so we can see Kesha. Why not? Do you need these moments where there's, like, celebrities there? I like Kesha. I like Kesha, too.

I think she's awesome. But I think that's like part of the allure of Beverly Hills. They throw it in there some time. Yeah, you just kind of throw it in there. It's like names that you recognize to begin with. And then you throw in somebody like that. I think it was just so Kyle could make that comment, though. Oh, she's a musician and I like her and she's my friends.

Everybody started talking. It's like, shut up. That's not why we were talking about. Not even remotely. If you made a music video with Kesha in lingerie making out, maybe we'd have some questions. Probably still not. probably i don't think so you know i think we all have PTSD from that fucking morgan weight stuff that i just wouldn't care yeah but like i guess my big problem is she's so tired

of talking about it stop bringing it up the first instant you have to make a stupid joke about it you do with keshah it's like shut up if you don't want to talk about we don't care like we're all i think i speak for everyone that we're over it we're over the morgan weight thing i'm glad we're not discussing this season so her she said that we're not discussing it she said we're not going to talk about that fine and then you make a joke about Kesha you can't have both ways Kyle but that I mean that's her MO CA that's her MO though like she she wants her away and her way and her way shifts back and forth all the time that's why she got tired that's why I got tired of it let's not forget three years ago when we started this whole thing wow it's gonna be three

years in two months that's pretty crazy but when we started this whole thing I was like a staunch Kyle Richards fan I I would have followed her to the end of the earth and then she had a horrible season three years ago a bad season last year a bad season another she's had a terrible run recently and i think that it's starting to be fairly apparent because last year she was so checked out i didn't even think she was coming back this season it looks to me like if it's not kyle's way she doesn't give a fuck and i that's one of these things this is a perfect example of it stop talking about the morgan weight stuff but i'm going to make a joke about kesh out involving the morgan weight stuff yeah it's like shut up dude if you don't talk about don't talk about

but don't make the stupid jokes, but anywho, we get the Sutton and Jennifer Tilly beforehand, and Sutton's already feeling the heat a little bit. She's like, I'm a little bit nervous because Boe's said that I was weaponizing Dorit's pain. And she's questioning whether or not Dorit's in Boz's ear. First off,

yes, Dorit is in Boz's here. Yes. But she doesn't need to be. Bose has been there to witness this stuff. You did not come out looking great the Camille Knight. That was a bad thing to say. You clearly see that she's you had a one-on-one with her to tell her that you want her to confide in you that you're there for you're going to help her get through this because you've been through something similar

great conversation but fast forward when she's not doing that and you get frustrated because you're not in the fold you throw a dagger out there you weaponized her pain and boz called you out on it everybody's sitting there the whole entire circle when you said you're not mad at me you're mad at your life the whole group went oh literally everybody so even your friends Yes. So no, Bose or sorry, Doreet's not in Bose's year. I mean, she is slightly, but she doesn't need her to form an opinion about you because you have not given her a great first impression. You've shown her your bad sides. And Sutton doesn't have bad, like a lot, all bad sides. Not all bad sides. But she is like a serial will not take accountability person. There's a lot of those on all of these shows. So I'm not going to knock her down just because, you know, it's consistent with other shows. but she doesn't take she doesn't take responsibility for any of this stuff that she said she should have had a visceral reaction to everybody saying oh what the you can't fucking say that and then she does something even worse a little bit later in this episode and it's like you're not going to get

an actual apology out of her because she doesn't realize why it's actually bad she's just said what she thinks everybody else was thinking in the first place and she thinks that she's got some honor in that or something i guess to think that like derit's in Bose's ear in this moment because Bose is talking about you weaponizing what she's going through against her to just prove a point. Did you change how you said that because you didn't want to say weaponize her pain again? Yeah, I did. Did you do that intentionally? That felt intentional.

Yeah, wow. It was intentional. But she just like, she doesn't realize that what she did was wrong. So now she's looking at other people like, why are you mad at me for saying that? It's like, because it's fucking hurtful to, to read and we can be upset for her. Yeah. It's just, it's an empathy thing, I think, maybe, that Sutton's just not getting. And she never really understands when she puts her foot in her mouth and she says stuff like that.

And you never really believe a Sutton apology either. It's always just like, you know, I said that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to hurt you. I believe that she is sorry. I just don't know if she always, they grasps the gravity of what she's done. Yeah, she doesn't get it. She never gets it.

But I do think she's sorry. Yeah, but she doesn't know why saying that is wrong. And that's the problem. But I, is it the problem? is that the beauty that is something and why she's entertaining oh it's yeah no it's the latter for sure right yeah that's all but they get to the uh the viper room and of course and i don't know why we're not getting more of her we need more of her i hope that we i guess we're only six episodes in but i'm crossing my fingers because everyone there like for the most part most of

these women have not been to the viper room you know who has who jennifer tilly because she's playing poker in the back room give me these fucking stories i want to hear about Jennifer Tilly doing this guy. She's so cool. She's the coolest. She's got a great life, yeah. Like, I love Jennifer Tilly. I am, like, she might be my favorite castmate on any show right now.

Like, and I just want more of her. I need more of her, the two houses next to each other in, in wherever the fuck, Belair or whatever fancy place that she has those two houses, the party house, then the chill house. I need more Jennifer Tilly. I want to hear the playhouse. What it is. It's the playhouse. But I need more.

She's so funny too because like I don't go into each episode when I like when I prep myself for an episode. I start thinking about the storylines of everybody involved and all the people on the show. I never think of Jennifer Tilly before the episode. And then during the episode, I still don't really think of her. And then she'll pop up and say something kooky. I'm like, oh shit. Jennifer Tilly, right. I forgot about her.

And maybe that'll change if she continues. But she's a delight this season. Yeah, she's awesome. Because it just changes, it just changes the way I look at the show. Yeah. And I think, you know, we talked about it. I forget when, but asking why it's taken so long to get her on this show in this capacity. And I think that we both agreed that had she come on last year or the year prior, it would have been a waste because those seasons were so shit that I'm glad they saved it for a season where we're enjoying it so we can enjoy Jennifer Tilly.

But she has been a standout. Like she really is awesome. But the minute that Sutton sees Bose, because there's a little mishap with her bracelet, it gets stuck. And she's like, oh, are you weaponizing? And I'm like, oh, no, oh, no, don't fucking say that. What are you doing? Like, that's not how you bring something up organically. But in Sutton's mind, it is.

She's like, I'm just going to dress this right out of the gate. Don't weaponize it me. Ha, ha. And Bose is like, and this is why I love Bose, because she's so calm, cool, and collected. she's like oh i'm not like don't worry i'm not and she's just saving it like she's she's going to have a conversation with sutton that is different than the one that we see in this episode if this continues but that was like the quintessential sutton moment where it's like please don't walk up to and say it please don't up you're going to do it you did it and then

you double down on it just please don't do this but i can't it's like a train wreck you can't look away and it's awkward as shit but what i do appreciate though is that immediately Bose wants to just get this out of the way. I don't know if Sutton initiates this conversation. I think she does. She's like, can we go talk real quick? And Bo's like, yeah, let's do this. And she's like, look, I didn't like the word weaponize. And this is also a flaw

of Sutton's. Just because you don't like something, right? You did it. You put yourself in these spots. You can't then say, I don't appreciate that. It's like, well, Dereet didn't appreciate what you said. And neither did anybody else in the group. But the

funniest retort, and I think that this is why Bose is so great is because when she says I didn't like weaponize, Bose's response is just to explain to her what weaponize means. She literally just, well, what I was saying was you took what she said and you used it against her, which Sutton immediately takes as, I need to be on the defense here. I got to tell her that I've got a great vocabulary. And then later I'm going to show it off with morality. You know, that's what that was.

yeah i know what that was she's like i got a big word save for later boom there it is i'm surprised she didn't i'm honestly shocked she didn't say it and then just look at both just i was look i was looking i'm not gonna lie i did a little backtrack just to make sure there were no there wasn't like a dart of the eyes over a bow's to see your reaction i really wanted that i wanted a wink cordality told you like you hear that dude it was just the first thing she says to her was like It wasn't meant to hurt her. It's like, yeah, but it did. And everybody else there thought it did.

And you're nervous that the newbie doesn't like you because she jumped to a conclusion. But again, you're giving her the evidence because you're showing the bad sides. You're not showing the fun sides. There are fun sides of Sutton. I love Sutton. You know that. And I think that she's great. I think she's entertaining.

I do think she's extremely nice. I do think Sutton's a nice person. I just think she gets caught up and instantly defensive. And again, I bring it all back to her just wanting to be in. included. I think the defensiveness comes from feeling left out or comes from feeling that she's outside of the group. So I think that this is another instance of that because, okay, here's a newcomer. Shit, people are in her ear. They're going to think that I'm this way, but I'm not this way. She's going to think this. I got to do damage control, but Sutton can't do damage

control. She just does more damage. So that's what you're seeing in this scene. But what's nice about Bose is she she doesn't escalate. She doesn't, you know, get irritated. She just has a conversation, but to me it felt like one of those where she's saying one thing to Sutton, but in the back of her mind she's saying a whole different thing. Yes, a thousand percent. I think that she's just trying to keep it cool and collected for now. I think that she's playing, we always talk about playing the game. I think she's doing it the right way. She's still in recon mode. She's still getting warmed up to the idea of being a housewife. She's not popping off immediately. That's a good opportunity to pop off on Sutton. You're like, why are you

coming over to me? You just insulted her. She's in the lowest point of her level. and you expect me to just lay down and just take it? No, I'm not going to take it. Fuck off. She could have popped off if she wanted to and she didn't. And I like that. I appreciate that because that's not the type of scene that like even though we know you can do it and maybe you should do it, you can hold on to it because there's going to be a lot more

chances with Sutton. Let's be very honest. Yeah, no, I agree. And I think we're going to see it eventually because even in her confessional, she's like, I'm starting to get the vibe that Sutton. What did she say? I wrote it down. She appears to be peaceful.

But maybe she's either delool. or calculating an evil. Yeah. So tough descriptions. Tough adjectives there. Yeah. Lulu, probably a little more on the nose, but yeah. I would go more with DeLulu than evil.

I don't think she's evil. Not fully DeLulu, just. No, she's just Sutton DeLulu. It's like her own brand. I think that that's the best way to describe it. But we get Erica's performance on stage, which is not a performance. It's them playing the track and her saying,

come on. I was very confused because when she was getting ready for this party, or even when she was talking to Doread about bringing it up to Kyle she's like I don't really care I'm not performing or anything I just get to go in there I was like well she got on stage and I was like wait what the hell and then the song starts and I'm like what is she going to do during the song just put her hand up in the air and dance around and make a couple of woos yes that's exactly what she's going to do and she did it very well look yeah it's great this is the thing about Erica too

she's in such a better place with herself and obviously she's trying to figure out how she lives now she wants to figure out how to get back to being wealthy that's for damn sure but she's having fun and she looks like she's happy so that's good i appreciate it yeah that's good good for her we'll see she needs to do more for me yeah she needs to do more like i i i like her when she's good and yeah like the scenes with her solo yeah they're they're nice like you've had this crazy past few years you're trying to get your shit together you are making more money so you get to redo your house. I actually really like her house, by the way. Also,

really dumb moment by me. Uh-oh. So the song is called Domino for Domino's. Yeah. I thought that there's pizza. You're sponsored by Domino. You're a fucking moron. What? Dude, I thought the lyrics are like fall

like dominoes. No, no, I know that. I know when the song started and I heard the song. Oh, that's oh, okay. You thought she made a jingle for Dominoes? When she was sitting down talking to Doreet, she had said, you know, I want to make sure that this night is about me. It's about all of this. And Doreed agreed. And Doreed even said, like, make sure it's about Domino's.

And I was like, the Vipar Room and Domino's she put together. And I'm like, does Domino's sponsor this event? Like, what's going to happen here? Are we going to see like a pizza mascot or something? I didn't know. And then she started seeing him like, oh, I'm fucking moron. Wait, wait, I need to dig deeper. Did you think that before you got to the Viper room?

when this was to read and erika talking and she's like you make it about dominoes in the viper and whatever did you think that it was just an event that dominoes was sponsoring or did you think that she had made a song for dominoes no i didn't think that she made a song that's afraid oh fuck wait wait who's to say that the song isn't for dominoes by the way hold on from suzanne brown this is the perfect drop and well she wants a pizza party and that's what she got well done No, I thought that they were separate things. I thought that the party was at the Viper Room, sponsored by Domino's,

and it was about her new single. I didn't put two and two together and realized that her new singles came on. I mean, you don't with me with HouseWave songs. I don't fucking care. They're all trash anyway, so I don't really pay that. Wow. Good as gold. Oh, that's not Housewife song.

Good as gold sucks, too. You know it's deep down. Deep down. How many streams do you think that has on Spotify? A couple million just from. It's got to, right? yeah yeah what was there other ones seven remixes that they did only the punk rock fucking yeah the punk rock one emo die ah god damn it that fucking season fuck that show i'm so glad that they're done i hate i can't

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And Derreet comments on the dresses. And this is the kind of shit that I hope when Kyle watches back. And this is a fool's errand. But I hope that when she sees these things. You're already wrong. She's not watching anything back. She said it before. She doesn't watch.

She doesn't watch the show. Right. You're right. But there's moments where it happened early on in the night. Doreet said something, and she made a face. And then in this moment, Doret's like, I feel like I should have that dress on, like, er. And then Kyle mocks her.

That's literally what your whole relationship was and why Doreet is now fed up with you. It was like everything, you do it to Sutton, too. Yeah. You don't take them seriously to their face. And we watch it at home. And they want to be your friend so bad for so long that they brushed it off. But you saw Sutton snap last year.

You got Doreet snapping this year. you don't treat people with respect. There's no mutual respect with Kyle Richards. And I think that that comes with you got to be like maybe like Kesha level, like then you get some respect. Like maybe it's a celebrity thing, a status thing. I don't fucking know.

But she seems to think that she's above everybody on this show. And it appears in these moments. And it's small. It's not that deep. But I do think that that is a big reflection of all of her relationships that we see that fail because you don't take the people seriously. They're trying to have serious relationships. with you and you mock them incessantly or you like she'll mock their voices she'll mock

what they say their mannerisms we see it all the time and when you keep doing it and i keep highlighting it i'm like all right well this is why you don't have any friends because you treat them like shit right no you're fully on the nose with that one that is perfect because i thought the exact same thing now obviously i didn't think the Kyle was ever going to go back and rewatch this and think wow mad behavior was really bad there i was hoping she doesn't go back and rewatch it. And even if she did, she is not going to think my behavior was bad there. She thinks she's justified. Or it goes back to our first theory. She just doesn't want to be friends with Doreet as it is. She's just, she's on a bigger and better thing. She's only talking to

musicians now. Yeah, only Keshah level musicians. That's it. But they start talking. And Doreet rips the band-aid off immediately. And just ask Kyle if she's spoken to P.K. Which I like how she said that. It's not, hey, are you guys like texting each other? was, have you spoken to him? I don't know. Did she think this makes it better? Because I think this makes it worse. It's like, it's just memes and jokes.

Like, it's not about you. That's fucking weird. Do you think they're just sending memes back and forth about like going through separation? No, I genuinely think that PK's a fucking creep and he's sending her memes and she's just hearting them. And then he sends her another one because he's being a gross creep and he thinks that she's, well, that's what I think. Here's what I think. Because during the course of the.

conversation, Kyle changes her verbiage a couple different times. And when Doreet asks a little bit more on the nose, like, hey, uh, you know, did he tell you anything about like what's going on? Like was he being irrational? Like we just went to couples therapy, all of those things. She said, no, he didn't talk about any of that with me. So it indicates that they're talking to. It's not just memes.

Oh, you're right. I think she's downplaying it. She's downplaying it to, oh, yeah, you know, her fucking daughter's probably taught her this. oh yeah he's just sending me memes and i'm just you know hard in them like just try to downplay it all the way but when you get caught in a lie you tend to misspeak and she does spoke right there she said no he didn't mention that it's like okay what else is he mentioning then because you don't talk about it if you double down and said treat all he does is send me memes and every once in a while i'll send him one if you left it at that then that's what

it was it's still weird as shit but you can leave it at that but once you start opening the door about talking then it indicates that you're talking so i think that they are talking. But, like, my big question, too, is like, Mo, are you cool with this? Like, this is fucking weird. They shouldn't be having this correspondence. Moe's probably high as a kite sitting next to PK on his fucking weird

leather couch in his man cave. And they're just giggling around things. And he's like, yeah, send that one to Kyle. That'll be kind of funny. I don't know. What's the last time you went over there? I don't know. I haven't been there since she wanted to, like, paint the rooms or something. And she wanted me to take the fucking dogs. You believe it? She wanted me to take this, this fucking dog.

I hate that dog. I bought that dog to shut her up thousand dollar couch over here i can't have a dog on it yeah this is my this is where i get the check yeah yeah you ever bring a dog in the f shack get the f out of here that's what i think yeah look oh here we go thank you for this candy candy fart oh you made me look up the stream numbers original good is gold just shy of 650 000 okay apple's just over oh wow giving them too much credit. Yeah, I thought that you would have way more than that. That's actually kind of a bummer. That's kind of embarrassing. Yeah, I thought that you would be

in the millions just from like ironic listens, but whatever. But anyway, back to these two idiots talking to each other. I think to reet, it's fairly straightforward for me. And it's fairly straightforward. She says, you're texting my husband when you and I are not good and you're

not telling me about it. Period. That's it. That's 100% it. You were friends with Derreet and then we're friends with PK, because of Doreet. I'm not saying you don't have a relationship with P.K. But your friend that is married to him is going through hell right now and her defenses. Well, you didn't tell me that.

We're not talking. It's like, bro, you were sitting at the party at your house where shit popped off and Sutton said that you're not mad at me. You're mad at your life. You can clearly see that she's going through a ton of shit. And you know, no one is stupid enough to not know that if you're texting her fucking husband on the sly without telling her that's inappropriate and it's going to upset her but instead she goes to defense well if you don't like it then i won't do it anymore it's like that's such a

fucking cop out you should say i'm sorry it was inappropriate i should have told you i shouldn't have done it because it's fucking weird and that's my bad on me granted there's there's some paparazzi photos of derit leaving mo's f shack but that's neither here nor there because this is the show that we're talking about we're not talking to me I mean, P.K's probably staying at Mo's house and she was going over because they're still married and not separated, but, you know, or P.K.C. sitting in the cuck chair. Oh, there's go. Bring back the cuck chair. No, and look, I think that everybody, obviously, everybody's sitting at that table thinking the exact same thing.

Some of them have said it over the last couple of episodes. Some even said it in their confessionals tonight. If this was Kyle and Kyle was Doreet and Dorete was Kyle, this would be a nuclear situation. World War III, dude. the end of the fucking show but instead Kyle can't wrap her head around why are he so upset about this like you just can't and you go to the newcomer with Bose and Bose goes yeah you broke the fucking girl code like what and then she was to say I'm a girl's girl it's like fucking what you're not what you're not never never had one time no no you will always throw somebody under the bus if you're putting the crosshairs because that's what you do you don't want to admit that you're wrong ever even your apologies like this in this moment I won't do it anymore if you're not comfortable with it. No, don't do it because it's inappropriate and you should not have done it in the first place. That's all. But she's so Kyle that she says stupid shit like this. It drives me crazy. And then to say I'm a girl's girl to try to like tie a bow on it's ridiculous. No,

you're not. If you weren't, you wouldn't have texted. Like this sentence is nuts, dude. If you were a girl's girl, you would not have texted your friend's potential ex-husband whilst they're separated because that seems pretty objectively. appropriate but well i mean what the fuck do i know but again she goes with uh we're not good and kyle's like well i didn't know that but she says we're not good kyle we're not communicating i have two small children and then sutton like dude yeah what do you do i'm you can't shield the kids forever it's like what what she rule number one leave the kids out of a rule number two what are you doing you want to give a better impression to bows like what are you doing i think this was like

a strike at because Sutton starts talking or she was talking about how yeah you know I wanted you to lean on me because I've gone through all of this I wanted to be a friend it's like yeah but then you lashed out at her like immediately the first chance that you got so no you can't do that you can't lay on that I think this was Sutton saying this is the type of advice that you're not going to get for me because you're not leading on me I would have given you this I'm going to give you this nugget for free you can't shield them forever they're going to find out it's like whoa fuck well it's even I mean I think you might be right because the The way that she tries to explain it away, she's like, it's the same conversation we had in the boat. I'm like, no, it's not on the boat. You were nice and telling her that you know what she's going through and you'd be there for her. Now it's like, I shouldn't lean on you because this is the type of advice I'm going to get. I don't want that. It just furthers my theory that she feels left out. Yeah.

Because Dorit's confiding in Bose. DeRates confiding in Erica, Sutton tried to be that person for her and she didn't go to her. So now I think that she's giving unsolicited advice with some stank on it because then she realizes in. She goes, I'm just telling her, I'm trying to give her advice. I've been through this, too. It's like, you just told her what to do with her kids in a really shady way. Leave the kids out of it. Everybody there says, like, oh, dude, now.

Confirmation. Garcel watches our show because she said, rule number one, leave the kids out of it. Yeah, we've been saying it for years, but yeah, you know. Yeah, no, that's exactly, she said, as the broth bro said, rule number one, leave the kids out of it. They cut that part. You guys didn't see that part, but that really happened. and Sutton's response and this is what she does

when she gets back into a quarter because of her own doing by the way she says what have I done to you ever well you insulted her and made her feel like shit at Kyle's party for starters you just talked about her kids right now I don't know it seems like there's a few things

that you've done to her recently and I think if we go back in the annals of Rob Po over the past few years we could probably find a few more so tough to fence again this is what tends to happen she gets a little rattled little frazzled and things

get a little hectic and she doesn't know how to work her way out of it so she just says things yeah but that's also why we love her that's why she's entertaining i mean it's the it's just like the sutton effect you never know what the fuck you're going to get like truly you don't know there's so much to talk about too it's great i know it always does but you get a whole explanation of what she was trying to do for dureen i wanted you to confide me i told you i'd be there for you and again pretty cut and dry for me why would i confide in a person that's kicking me while i'm down and the sudden gets so upset that she's like you know what forget it we aren't friends we're not friends i'll be cordial we'll sit at this table i'll be cordial cordial cordality

wink blows i'm cordial you seem it screaming i'm cordial is like the same as screaming i'm I am calm. You're not cordial. Nope. You're Sutton. And that's okay. But this is, you're trying to make a better impression with Bose.

I think this is, yeah, that's part of it. I think the other part is we watched this show for years. And Sutton was in everybody's crosshairs. She was the target of so much, you can call it bullying, you can call it whatever you want.

She was getting kicked down at every opportunity that she couldn't even speak. She was just pushed away. And in the last. couple of years now in the last year and a half, if you will, she has been unchecked and she's getting stronger and straight. Maybe a strong sudden isn't great for her because now she thinks that she can just say whatever she wants and nobody's really going to bat an eye. And I think that that's going to be a rude awakening for her. I think that now, again, we said it in the beginning of the episode. I think she's going to be on an island because she can go against Kyle. She can go against

Dorita as much as she wants, but she's not getting any more team members. Everybody's just kind of kind of stay out of it because of the way that she talks to people. So it's going to be a bad spot for her to be in for the rest of the season. Yeah, I agree. But Kyle decides to step in and redirect the conversation back to Doreet and says, look, we've made progress. And the progress they've made is minimal at best. Like they had that conversation where they were down at the beach or whatever.

And they did move forward a little bit. But they haven't really made any solid progress. That's where both speaks up and says, I mean, you went against Girl Code. And she, I hate this defense. If that bothers you, I don't need to do that. That's not the apology that you need to give her right now. But the worst part is you go to a confessional and Kyle's like, where's this coming from?

We were good. And now she has to go and dig this up and use this against me. It's like she didn't dig this up. You're the one doing something wrong. This is Kyle Richards to a T. She does something stupid. She can't see why it's wrong. She takes no accountability, points the finger the other way, gets into an argument.

she gets backed into a corner and she goes I'm done with this shit and she walks away and then she goes to a confessional and she says I'm not going to talk about it and that's the Kyle that we've gotten for three seasons it's why she has become irrelevant to this show which is crazy to say but I'm so sick of

this like checking out of things or not taking accountability for things acting like she's never wrong in things like just an iota of accountability would do her such a huge favor especially in all of this bullshit because we're watching at home, I don't see how she has any kind of argument in

this. There is no defense of why you're texting her husband. That's fucked up. You can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's. No powders, no blenders, no shakers. Starting at 17 grams per medium latte, Tim's new protein lattes, protein without all the work at participating restaurants in Canada. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves. plenty of room for autumn adventures and see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, Lisa 2026 XE90 plug-in hybrid from $599 bi-weekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Condition supply, visit your local

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That's all you got to say. And then you have this conversation. But you got caught and now you're defensive. And then you say she has to go and dig this up when we were good. Then stop fucking texting her husband, you weirdo. And then she's not to do this shit. But it just drives me nuts. And this is exactly what she does.

She ends it with the Kyle move. I'm done. I'm done. I've tried to fix you. Weird 40 and slip. I try to fix it with you. What the fuck do you want from me? And she raises her voice.

and to read she's done with the with the voice raising from other people she's she's had it she's done she escalates to a whole different level rightfully so and pretty much says fuck you you're not going to say fuck you to me fuck you kyle richard fuck you fuck you fuck you we get a quick cut and you hear a glass break i don't know if that's going to turn into anything or that's just some some fun uh what's the buy some background noise it's a foley artist yeah the other ones that make sound how you like that yeah so you know that but the only other thing that you know from ballet is pirouette i know a lot of really random facts but i do not know about ballet despite my right yeah that's okay but yeah i mean look it's a good episode it's a good

episode as we've talked through it i see what you're saying there's a lot of pitfalls that could happen with this season there's definitely some places that this could go south in a hurry i don't want that to happen. I think that Bravo as a whole, we've said it before. Bravo is better when Beverly Hills is good because it is a cornerstone show. You need Beverly Hills for everybody. This is one of their biggest, if not their biggest show. So we needed to do well. I wanted to continue doing well. I see where they could slip up. I hope they don't. Yeah, I agree with that. I would say it was obviously a good episode. I would say it's a good season, but we haven't seen an episode in three weeks and I don't remember so I can tell you how I feel yeah but you know what we

can do we can go to our very patient audience who's been uh commenting along this whole time and it's time for some questions so get your questions up there's a 10 second delay so we'll just sit here and look pretty well you guys uh give us some brigantes ready go that's your looking pretty face uh that's like i don't like it you look like Luigi Which Luigi This is from earlier But I like this one From Zoe Culele,

Didn't Sutton tell Garcel That Kyle said Dorit knows that P.K. And I talk. What happened to that? Maybe she was alluding to like when everybody was cool back in the day. Yeah.

I don't remember that though. I do now that she said that I read that. I do think that, but I think that that is, in reference to when all four of them were friends like yeah double dating and stuff i think she was aware of it so i think it's it's a little different when they're separated yeah fair let's see from amy donnelly what are your thoughts on to be continued that i don't really think about it they don't like every time we get those it very rarely hit really hard and now yeah it doesn't

really because we get to the next episode and it usually is like it fizzles out pretty quick i think they do it too much now yeah i do too i think they've abused the tbc oh i like that from beth sheen do you think that sutton is jealous of bows i think sutton really wants to be friends with bows and thinks that maybe the opportunity is slipped out because of something that de reed put in her ear but really it was just sutton's own doing i think it's a friendship that she wants yeah i do too i think it's friendship i think that jealousy stems from seeing bows make friends with people but i i i'd don't necessarily think it's like straight up jealousy. I think a jealous of friendship.

Yeah. Not that not that sudden doesn't have any friends. It's just I do think she feels left out of things. Yeah, I agree. From TK. Are you bothered by how Erica's handling her relationships in the group? Do you feel like it's two-faced? I don't. Not two-faced.

Yeah, it's just the Erica Jane. Like, she'll be your friend, but she will also call out when you're being an idiot, whether it's in confessional or to, somebody else on the show but at the same time when she's called out for it she tends to take accountability she does say like yeah i said that i wonder if she's being cognizant of the show and like what she's doing because i think she is trying to in her real life better herself but now that i'm thinking about the comment of why don't you do that tonight to derit talking to kyle at

my event that kind of goes a long way like whose event was it that had a really good fight at the end of it. Domino's. You got to keep me. Yeah, it was Domino's event. Sponsored by Domino's. I think that she's, she's ultra aware of things,

but she is still trying to be a better person. So I think she's trying to find her footing. I've got to hope for her still, obviously. She's still in there somewhere. Yeah, I agree. From Kelly Higgins,

do you think Oliver signed off on Garcel sharing? And if not, how much is fair for the moms on Housewives to be sharing about their kids' addiction stories without their input? I would imagine they probably

I think she ran it by Oliver. I would imagine she ran it by him. Look, if there is no conversations about it, then no, they shouldn't be airing these people's business that are going through addiction. That's their own story to tell. I would imagine in both scenarios, Robert Jr. with Mary Cosby and in this scenario as well, they had a discussion because, again, for a lot of people in recovery, when you have success stories, when you have these inspiring stories, you want to share.

Because, you know, a big part of recovery is helping other people in recovery. So I think that for Oliver, this is a perfect way to do it because he's not the one telling it. It's from the perspective of his mom, which she's going to hit really hard. And then you get to just watch him with his son in this really nice moment with his family. So if they weren't discussing it, you're correct. That's, that's inappropriate for them to air out this kind of laundry on TV. But I would imagine these mothers took the time to have the conversation before. where it was aired because it could be really detrimental to somebody going through,

especially like a Robert Jr., who's early in sobriety, that could really throw them off. So I would imagine that they talked about it. Let's see. There's a couple more. Michelle Martinez-Logsden. Do we think Doreet will start spilling Kyle's manipulations that she alluded to, like inviting Camille to do her dirty work?

Oh, we've got to talk about the Camille thing. Yeah. Yeah, I think she could in a very Doreet, way where it's very indirect but somebody else will decipher the code and say oh yeah kyle's been doing that it could be an erika who's been around for a while who's been around kyle for a while on her good side has seen it in the past uh i don't think it's going to be somebody like sutton because she's not eloquent enough um garsell i could see also doing that but she's not going to have a conversation with duret so it really have to be erika or bose is going to put two and two together and

say oh does she do that a lot and then we're going to get a lot more from that yeah i could see honestly this is a this would be a prime garcel moment because yeah but she just won't talk to durate so it's no i know that but i do think that she would call out kyle for for doing things like that i think that's where garcel really shines is she will step up in those moments and just be like boom you're doing this why are you doing that and i like that's like when she's my favorite and like she's been our favorite for a while in the previous season so like if she can get back to that or do that that would be awesome i could see her doing that uh I think Doreet will.

This, Doreet, I do see her weaponizing. To try to get the upper hand on Kyle. You know what? Fuck it. Do it. I don't give a shit. Yeah, why not? Candy Fardo.

How long do you think that Bose will be in Doreat's corner? That's a great question, actually. I don't know. I don't see her turning on her now. I'll give it another season. I'm assuming Bose has done enough so far to come back. And they don't want to like revolving door of housewives. So I imagine she'll come back again.

I could see it happening next season, but not this season. Yeah. Yeah, I could see it next season. I think that she's, she's doing it the right way. She's being patient and she's not getting too comfortable too quickly. She's just kind of watching the inner workings. She's definitely taking notes.

I think that she'll step in when she needs to. I don't know if it'll be because she's like not in Dorit's corner. I could actually see both stepping up forward to read this season. I can see that. We'll see. And last one from our boy, Billy Big Deals. Are you guys ready to tell us the official new name of the podcast? Yeah, it's brosy big deals and shows.

Yeah, it's pros and shows, Billy. Bros and shows. We're doing that and we are going to coincide that with traitors because it makes sense. It's a show off, Bravo. We're going to do traders. we're going to be bros in shows, but we're still always be the pro bros as well.

There's no way we don't reference that like way too often probably. Yeah, way too often. And I do still want to do this. I don't even think I've mentioned this to you. And I'm dead, dead serious because I already have a tattoo on my ass cheek anyway.

I want to get one or the other. I want to get brav or bros on a cheek and I want you to get the other one on a cheek. Yeah, I think that works. Could you do that? do that? Yeah.

Fuck, yes. Yes. Yeah, you get, you get to pick if you want to be Bravo or bros. I'll do whichever one. And you can pick your cheek. I've already,

oh, shit. Pick my cheek. I always forget which cheek I have my tattoo on. And then I forget I have it. Yeah, that's probably, not in my, I'm not,

I'm out. It was over the pants. I was just trying to remember. No, I was just trying to remember. I think it's the left, but I do surprise by myself, because I get out of the shower.

I think there's dirt. I'm like, I'm like, oh, wait, no, that's another tattoo on my butt. So, yeah, I want to do that. I think that's something that needs to happen. I'll get you really drunk first. I won't obviously be drunk, but I'll get you drunk and we can get tattoos. You know what?

I got it. This is what we'll do. If the birds keep doing what they're doing, we'll go and have an old school glory, go to glory and watch a game, then we'll walk across the street to Old City Tattoo and get it done. Yeah, that could work out. Yeah. I'm just going to pump you full of those shitty high alcohol beers that you drink. Oh, yeah.

They look cool. And then we'll go get a tattoo. Mickey's going to drive us. Thanks, Mickey. Appreciate you. We can walk. It's across the street. But you can come.

There we go. But yeah. Anyway, thank you to all of our members that joined us this evening. I really enjoyed this setup that makes it interesting to see y'all's commentary during it. But again, if you are not a member, make sure that you sign up for Brofros members so you can join in our next live stream next week. Our link is in the bio in our Instagram, or you can click on the link at the

bottom of this episode description. And the last thing I got to say is I've gotten so much better at plugs and stuff like that. And you haven't given me any fucking credit. And I think that's really rude. I don't want you to think about it. Oh, you were thoughtfully not telling me. Okay. Thanks, dude.

I stopped doing it a while ago and you'd be great. Oh, thanks, bro. Thanks. I'm going to fuck it up now that I just I know. Yeah, because you did it. That's not my fault. yeah well weaponizing thoughts you weaponizing my thoughts brav bros are out of here later that's a good point whichever cheek is free should determine who gets brav and who gets bros well because we need to be able to stand next to each other and like it's say it what so i guess yeah so like our like if our our butts are out touching cheeks yeah we're good we don't have to touch cheeks but we like

close good i don't care i'm i'm comfortable um So it would have to be brav on the right, somebody's right cheek, and then bros needs to be on the left cheek. Yeah. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. Thanks, Candy. Appreciate you.

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