Bros & Shows - War Comes to Westeros (House of the Dragon s02ep03 Part 2)

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

How art thy Broseth? It is part 2 of our recap of HoTD episode 3! In the conclusion, Rhaenyra sends Rhaenyra off with the children and the eggs to secure the future of House Targaryen (i.e. Danearys's... dragon eggs...) Heleana forgives Alicent of boinking Criston Cole while Jahearys was slain, but in doing so also confirms that Alicent is in part to blame for what happened. Aegon prepares to fly off to war but Larys spins a quick rumor to persuade him otherwise, and he ends up going to a Brothel with his boys, aka the new knights guard, instead. We're introduced to Ulf, a bastard son of Baelon the Brave, which introduces the idea of Dragonseed's (Targaryen bastards). Aegon and co. enter a brothel and find Aemond laying with the Madame and we're shown that Aegon has never treated Aemond very well. Criston Cole and Gwayne are nearly taken out by Baela who nearly dracarys's them to death but shows restraint. Daemon has a supernatural experience at Harrenhall where he is met with the foreboding "you will die here" from a cloaked woman. In a last ditch effort to avoid war, Rhaenyra infiltrates King's Landing and speaks with Alicent face to face. In this scene, the discussion of what Viserys said on his death bed finally comes to light... And both sides were rattled to their core upon hearing it... Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join This episode is brought to you by Quince. Spruce up your wardrobe this summer without breaking the bank! Go to Quince.com/bravbros for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 DC high volume, Batman. The Dark Knight's definitive DC comic stories adapted directly for audio for the very first time. Fear, I have to make them afraid. He's got a motorcycle, get after him, or have you shot? What do you mean blow up the building? From this moment on,
Starting point is 00:00:23 none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... We move on. We get Rana and Rina's getting ready to bounce, and she's got StormCloud and Thraxas, the baby dragons, they're not full grown yet. And she's pissed.
Starting point is 00:00:58 And she... always, I guess, feels like she is the odd man out. Like, people don't respect her like they do. She doesn't have a dragon. She doesn't have a dragon. Very Amund. Very A man. And Bela, you know.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Let's get her a pig. Did Aman have a pig? Yeah, remember they said we got you a dragon and some wings? Yep, I do. I forgot about that. But yeah, and she's also got Bela who is a badass. Yep. So she looks up to Bala.
Starting point is 00:01:22 She's also jealous of Baila. So that's a whole thing there. And I think that the saving grace of this moment was, she feels like this is a demeaning project that she's being sent on whereas I would imagine to Renera this is one of the most important things not just because of the dragon eggs
Starting point is 00:01:38 but her actual babies but you put the dragon eggs into it that seemed to change how Raina was looking at it was like oh fuck you're entrusting me with the future of the Targaryens pretty much I think that she yeah I think that her whole world has been crumbling just because when Luceris died she went from potentially being the
Starting point is 00:01:55 people are going to yell at us for not knowing the titles but she would have been the queen of Driftmark? No. There's Lord of the Tides. She would have been... Queen. She would have been Lady of the Tides? Lady of the Tide.
Starting point is 00:02:10 So, yeah, she would have been Lady of the Tide. She would have been Lady of the Tide. But she also, she might still be Lady of the Tide. She could still be, but they're having that conversation aside. No one else is having that conversation right now. Look at us. We got to it. It's Lady of the Tide. Lady of the Tide. Oh, yeah. No one else is having that conversation except for Rainies and Corliss, which, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:27 for all intents of purposes, they should be there. the ones to talk about it. But Reneer is sending her away. So not only did she lose her betrothed, she lost her inheritance in her mind, and she's going to Pentos. Yeah. While war is going on,
Starting point is 00:02:39 while her kin are dying. Right. While everybody else gets to fight in battle. I don't have a dragon, but you're giving me dragon eggs. Are one of these dragons going to become mine? I'm not really sure yet, but I'm already of age
Starting point is 00:02:49 and I should have a dragon at this point. So I think that everything in her world that she saw coming is now completely gone. Agreed. And she's going away. She's like, what the fuck? I agree with that. All of that.
Starting point is 00:03:00 I'm saying once the dragons were introduced, the eggs, she seemed to change her tune a little bit. Yeah, maybe. That's what I got from now. But I do like that we're not agreeing on everything. This is fun. This is interesting. I also, if I'm in Westeros,
Starting point is 00:03:13 fuck that. I'm going to the Free Cities. There's never anything going on over there. Pentos, Esos, like, they... What do you mean? Everyone just bounces and goes over there. What do you mean? What I mean?
Starting point is 00:03:24 What happened in the Free Cities during Game of Thrones? There's a ton of slavery, and DeNaris came through and basically killed all the slaves. She freed all the slaves, which she did for them. And killed all of the slave owners and hung them on the wall. Killed everybody else. And she put them in a big, yeah, yep, I remember it. Stuck them on the wall. She crucified a bunch of them.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Yep, I remember that now. Yeah. Not to mention, we also saw last year that the free cities were the ones who were funding the crab feeder. There's probably some more shit going on there. There's war everywhere. Actually, maybe not in Dorm. Let's go to Dorn. Go to Dorn.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Yeah. Dorn is the place. to be. It's nice. The climate is nice. It's warm. Pedro Pascal's over there. Yeah. Everybody, Pedro Pascal's probably there. Three, four hundred years before, but he's probably there. He's all right. Yeah. He's immortal.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Yeah. He got his head crushed and now he's like one of the most famous people in the world. That was his like big break actually. That's when he came into the scene. But I know he did stuff before that. He was in this nut. I know, but he became a superstar after that. Let's be real. Anywho, moving on, we get Helena and Allison and it's interesting to note again
Starting point is 00:04:28 like in the scene prior we get Reneer like entrusting her life her kids and the dragon eggs to other people being like please get these out of danger flash to this scene she just hands off a grandkid to a rando and it's like get out of here I got to talk to Helena real quick just the priorities
Starting point is 00:04:43 and you're going to go with the dragon keepers yeah these easy later yeah it'll be fine but it's also she is so stuck on the fact that Helena caught her banging Kristen cold during the murder that's all she's looking for is vindication
Starting point is 00:04:58 that she's not at fault. It's, yeah, and you are at fault. You 100% just because she forgave you doesn't, that's implied that you were going. I actually thought the funny thing was, Helena is slowly, it might look like she's coming to and getting her grip.
Starting point is 00:05:13 You think it's the opposite. I think it's the opposite. I think she's going further into madness. You could argue that point of, you know, kids die all the time. Yeah. Yeah, I've come to terms of that one. Kids die all the time. okay yeah really who am i like that or you know in the womb yeah when they're talking about like the small folk they lose like who am i to have more grief than them looking at them like i'm
Starting point is 00:05:37 some perspective there at least yeah they made it's you know it's very cold and no emotion they probably died from illness or like malnutrition from you know a bad king but your kid was decapitated yeah in front of you yeah you're allowed to feel also because there's a bad king yeah so It's weird because she's battling with it where it's, yes, that is good perspective to have Helena. Sure. But I just love that the, by the way, I forgive you, actually made things worse for Allison. Yeah. Because now it's like, oh, you know what I'm dealing right now.
Starting point is 00:06:12 And you are placing blame on me because you're forgiving me for it. So you are saying it's my fault. Damn it. It is your fault. God damn it. Correct. It is your fault. 100% you're gross and stop banging Knights Guard men.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Yep. Seriously. It's bad look. Just because you're man at Renera. Yeah, not a good look. Nope. Grow up. Stupid.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Child. Cheater pan. Yeah. Anywho, we move on. We get Agon and his new armor, but it's actually Agon the Conqueror's armor. And it doesn't fit. Doesn't fit. Well, that's also, I think, important.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I think they did that on purpose to make him look silly. And he's sitting there. He's getting ready to ride out to, like, prove his masculinity. And he's drinking a fucking flagging of ale with his boys in the room. They're like, this is a great idea, dude. You should definitely, you look fucking sick, by the way. Yep. You know, bro, that armor's sick, dude.
Starting point is 00:06:57 High five. And it's just a conqueror? Yeah, sick. You're a fuck, bro. Agon who? You're the real Agon. We're going to stay here, right? Yeah, we're chilling though, right?
Starting point is 00:07:05 Yeah. Yeah, because we've got to go down to the brothel. You can go. Yeah. We're going to the brothel in five. We've got to get our new boy laid. Yeah. Like this whole scene is just nuts.
Starting point is 00:07:14 But what it does is cement Larris into the keep. Like he comes in and says, I would rather not have our king go out there, blah, blah, blah, blah. Goes up. Spits game to Agon. Agon appreciates what he said to him as far as... There's rumors about as to why you're leaving. Some people are saying, oh, he's going to prove that he's a leader.
Starting point is 00:07:34 He's going to go out there and lead the armies and conquer the world. Other people are saying that the council talked to you into it so that they can run what's going on here with Aymid at their side. Which I love that that follows up directly with Laris asking the one Kingsguard guy, what's going on here? Yeah. He didn't know that Aigam is leaving. So if you don't even know that Agon's leaving,
Starting point is 00:07:54 none of the other people do. There's no whispers going on out there. It's really funny because Allison last week is saying Agon is still malleable, just not for you. Yeah, right. He is for Lorris. Laris can straight up lie to him because he's an idiot and he'll be able to twist him and turn him into whatever.
Starting point is 00:08:12 And he goes, you know what? I've been thinking about this. I do need a master of whispers. Yeah, you're pretty good at this. Maybe you could be my guy. All right, there you go. You know what? You're close.
Starting point is 00:08:22 that ass in here. You're cool with me. Yeah. And then his fucking moron friends talking about, yeah, you know, we just got to get, we got this new guy in here.
Starting point is 00:08:32 We got to go get him out. He hasn't gotten laid yet. We're going to the brothel tonight. Agon immediately, you guys swore an oath, though. Chastity, they're like,
Starting point is 00:08:40 ha, come on. Wait, you're serious? Seriously, though? And you can see, AGO is struggling with that. He looks at himself in the mirror. He's like, who am I? Who am I?
Starting point is 00:08:49 Who am I? What am I supposed to be doing here? I don't know. What the hell I'm doing? I was just about to take a dragon out to war, but this seems better. This seems like more fun. Yeah, I'm going to stick with this. You get that stupid smirk at the end of the scene, which means, you know, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Yeah. Let's go, boys. Boys night out. I'm the king. I'm going to go to a tavern and get drunk and go to a brothel. It seems like a great idea. But we move on from there, and we get introduced to Ulf, who I guess is a bastard son of Jaharis? Baylon.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Baylon. Baylon. Oh, yeah, right. Baylon the brave. son of bail on the brave, uncle to Queen Renera. And this also seems like a bad idea, Ulf. And if you actually are a bastard, son, you shouldn't be in the tavern, one, proclaiming that you're a Targaryen,
Starting point is 00:09:32 or two, bad-mouthing the king was about to walk in the door. I thought it was very haphazard. I did not know that tavern was in King's Landing until Agam walked in. I didn't either. I was like, oh, we must be in some town outside of King's Landing if you're just openly talking shit and claiming that you're a Targaryian bastard, which, by the way, Targary and Bastards get a cool name. They're called dragon seeds.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Everybody else gets some shit name. Snow, sand. Like, nobody cares about those people. You guys can still potentially ride a dragon, so you're a dragon seed. I don't know if that's better. I think it's better. What do you mean? It's way better.
Starting point is 00:10:06 It implies dragon sperm. You can still ride a dragon, though. I get it. I'm just saying. Well, I think it's important here because, look, whether or not Ulf is telling the truth, which I have no idea if he is. His name's Ulf, but probably not. He's got gray hair.
Starting point is 00:10:19 hair, not white hair, so maybe, who knows? He's a half. He's a half-y, who knows. He's a half-blood. But it introduces the idea of dragon seeds, which we haven't really met, and there's got to be more of those out there because it's not like the Targaryens. Yes, they are mostly just having sex with each other, but they do sometimes spill out and go do what they're going to be doing.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Adam and Allen. Adam and Allen, probably, I think they're Valerian bastards. So what are Valerians? I mean, they're also dragon seeds, yeah. Boom. Snake, snake seeds? because that sounds way worse. That sounds way.
Starting point is 00:10:51 I don't know why. I don't know. That's deathly sperm. Yeah, we just made it way worse. But I think it's more about that where even if Ulf is just completely lying and boasting about this stupidly,
Starting point is 00:11:01 and then I like the idea that there's people in Kings Landing calling for Vrunaura. That's great. I think that was why that was there. That scene was there. I think it's there because it's to say there are Targaryan bastards out there that can ride. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:14 And there's more dragons than there are riders right now. And the kingdom is, not 100% Agon. I think you put that all together. That's a very pivotal scene that might seem like a whatever scene. Then Agon comes strolling in with his idiot friends. You can tell they're about to go get that dude to the brothel to handle his business. And we get to the brothel.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And this has got to be the first BJ on TV. Yeah. 100%. So that was a shocking moment. This was also surprisingly the first Wieners that we've seen. Yep. Game of Thrones? I think right out of the game.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Started off. First episode, I think there was Wieners. Yeah. This is the first wiener. we've gotten this season. That was surprising. Then we got some more later because Amon walks out. Full trial.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Yep. Yep. So first winners of the season, if you had the wiener pool, episode three, you win. Congratulations. Congratulations. Your reward is a dragon seed. Anyway, Agon walks into the room that Amon is laying with the madam of the house. And that's his motherly figure that we've seen.
Starting point is 00:12:17 and he catches him in a very vulnerable moment. This comes back to what I was saying earlier. You see people's comfort vanishing. He has now infiltrated what Amon finds comfort in. He finds comfort in this woman in this place to the point where he didn't even want to have sex there previously because this is a sacred space to him for some reason. I don't know why. But that's another invasion of that comfort.
Starting point is 00:12:39 You see Amon get up, walk out, doesn't make a big deal out of it. Says, a whore is a whore. Do your thing. Don't care. But for me, that is also once again, he's. now relinquishing he's like all right here we go like he walks out of that place i don't think he's going back i think he's in war mode now yep we're going to see this again later so that's why not only that but i think he also goes right back to his childhood where yeah for whatever reason
Starting point is 00:13:00 luke gets blamed for doing all of the the misdeeds towards amend and bullying the hell out of him it's really agon he's the he's the pauling was the ringleader the entire time and he did it again in front of all his friends in his comfort zone so i could see amen starting to slowly turn and start to question agon's command start to do things maybe a little differently. And when Agon says, you're a loyal dog, you're going to do whatever I want. Maybe Aiman's not going to do that anymore. Does that mean he pops off and goes off the leash, takes Vagar for a little spin?
Starting point is 00:13:29 I don't know. Does he flip? Does he see an opportunity later to just straight up kill Agon at some point in time? That would be a great death. Well, that's why I said. I think that he's more capable of just the raging psycho brother. I don't think that's him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I think that you're getting more. more depth to Amund than we had previously gotten, especially last year when he killed Luke. I think that you're starting to see a deeper side to him that you're still under the impression. He doesn't want to be king. And I think that you're probably right. I wouldn't be shocked if that starts to turn
Starting point is 00:14:03 just because he's going to watch his brother mishandle the entire thing. I still think he just wants to crime of passion just kill Agon at some point. I think he's going to have multiple opportunities to do it. I think we're going to see it come close a few times, whether he does go through with it or not. I don't know, but I do think that there's a deeper character here than I had previously thought. He's not just a dog off a leash. I think that there's depth.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And I think, again, if you're going to ask me who's a better king, who's more capable, Amon is way better than Agon. Because Agon's just impulse and, like, fucking, it feels good, let's do it. Like, that's a terrible way to rule. Amon is actually pragmatic. He does have feelings. I think that all of this is coming from him hanging out in the brothel these last two episodes. It's like, okay, he does feel.
Starting point is 00:14:47 things that's more than I thought he did so I don't know but I think this is an important scene again he leaves his comfort zone he's out ready to fucking go renara is sitting there toying with the note that she got from alison from the raven and finally opens it so we see her finally read it that's important to note for later but we get to Kristen cole and sir gwayne guane's gallivanting off with his boys to go to a tavern or an inn down the road he knows the owner is his nephew or something like somebody everyone's fucking related in west row for sure they're all related so he's going to the inn christin cole tries to stop him says well whoa we can't be moving around like this and actually gets vindicated because and i just wrote
Starting point is 00:15:29 fuck yes because christin cole looks up and goes we're exposed yep and you just see way off love when you see the sun disappear yeah dude uh it's a big dragon oh there's a dragon there and bail is coming in hot and she catches up to him and dude and this is the whole episode this scene right here is the entire episode. What it is is the fucking, oh my God, we're right there without the payoff. It's trying to... It was a lot better than I am.
Starting point is 00:15:53 I would edge your car is the shit out of that forest. I would have burned the whole fucking thing down. Who cares about the forest? Now, it is important to note that Reneira did say, hang up in the sky. Don't do anything impulsive. So she didn't get that crazy. But she had an opportunity to get them.
Starting point is 00:16:08 It was pretty... It was just such a... Like, she's fucking honing in on them and they're getting closer and closer and she pulls up at the last second. That's what the same. episode is it's the fucking buildup and my god i wanted her to just torch them all yeah and that would have also been a game of thrones move if she just fucking if christin cole poop gone on that and quaint
Starting point is 00:16:28 that would have been awesome but i understand why they didn't especially because it shows that while on one side alison and agon they are unhinged to where if that moment happened on the flip side they would have burned yeah instead ronera while they are still testing the boundaries, they still follow orders. Well, it depends on the dragon. If it was Vagar, Vagar would have done whatever the hell she wanted. Yeah, Vagar is on She doesn't hear that well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Well, she's massive. How could you hear anything? She's massive, and she's very old. Yeah, she's old. Very old. She's tired. You know, she's probably just ornery. Like, you just, you bugger, she's like, fuck. That was my dragon chump. That was good. That wasn't as good. That was good, though. Yeah, thanks, dude.
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Starting point is 00:18:58 being piled together by Kristen Cole. That's what his whole mission is. As you said, Team Green is going to garner support as they move through to get to Heron Hall. So they arrive at Heron Hall with an army. Once again, I think it's a bad idea because dragons see you later. But we'll see how that goes. and the council is saying it's time to act like this is it they're moving it's time for us to move
Starting point is 00:19:20 or nara hears it and she says i heard the arguments will consider renees i think understands what she's saying because you get that old i don't know if it was a smirk it was understanding but it wasn't condemning because renees was almost like hmm like you're doing it right and what she's doing is trying to figure out how to talk to alison as we find out later but before we get to that well really quick during that scene. I love when Bela tells everybody. Oh, yeah, it was Kristen Cole going down there, and I
Starting point is 00:19:50 chased after him a little bit. I scared the shit out of him, yeah. He's probably pissing himself in that forest. I think that Reneer looked over and goes, oh, shit. I forgot there's another Damon here. That's Damon's daughter. So yeah, she's going to have some, some Damon in her. Oh, yeah. And Damon would do that. Damien may have
Starting point is 00:20:06 Gercaris the shit out of the forest. He would probably would have gotten off of his dragon and chased after them and tried to kill them by himself. And he probably would have. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's the shit. I love Damon. Yeah, David's the best.
Starting point is 00:20:17 He's awesome. But now moving on, we get back to Heron Hall, and Damon, this is important, because this also introduces, like, the supernatural aspect of Heron Hall and just of the realm in general, and he's got two swords in the door, and they're trying to, something's trying to kick the door down. It doesn't work. He opened the door. There's nobody there.
Starting point is 00:20:37 We hear, like, a humming lady, and he walks in the room, and it's young Renera, holding dead Jeharis, sewing his head back on. And I thought that this was a very important scene. I don't know if it's humanizing him a little bit to where he has this, it's kind of weird in a way because it's almost the still, I don't say fatherly figure to Renera, but he was always that role model to her in some way that she looked up to him. I think that's seeing which shout out first, Millie Alcock came back. We love to see that.
Starting point is 00:21:11 The actress who plays younger now. Yeah, yeah, she was great. She's fantastic. There was rumors that she was going to be back at some point in time. So she came back for just this little scene, maybe a little bit later. Who knows? And you can try to figure out whether it's Damon having, I guess, regrets for the things that he's done and the way that he's treated Renera. By seeing a young Renera, that's when he first fell for her.
Starting point is 00:21:31 That's when he was first obsessed with her. So that might be part of it. And cleaning up after the things that he does is the main thing here. Now, was he having these visions on his own? Was it Harron Hall? or was it the character that we were introduced to? A cloak lady. Cloak lady, also known as, I'd say they're Alice or Elise Rivers, is her name.
Starting point is 00:21:51 And she is rumored to be in the books. She's rumored to be a witch. So she could have some supernatural in her. And then we can get into the motives of that. So he ends up walking out and he's in like the weirwood, looking at where the old gods are usually praised. And that's where he ended up and she says, You're going to die here.
Starting point is 00:22:09 You're going to die here. Hey, man. You're going to die in this place. You're going to die her. Was she doing that because Damon is actually going to die here? Or was she trying to show him, hey, stop dicking around, figure it out. Is she already on Renair's side? Is there some, like we can call back to Game of Thrones where the Red Woman is following around Stana saying,
Starting point is 00:22:28 you're the prince that was promised, you're the prince or whatever? Is there some God calling to her saying you need to control Damon and get him back in order? Let me show him some of these visions to try to scare him a little bit, try to make him feel a little bit more human, make him go back to Reneira, be a better husband, whatever. Is there some of that involved here? I think that you could argue that there is. I think that if you look at it that way, then, yeah, this is a wake-up call for Damon to be like, you pair that with the scene with young Reneira where it's like, here's all your regrets,
Starting point is 00:23:00 here's the things that you fucked up. You fucked her up when she was younger. You killed you Harris when she told you not to, all of these different things. Here's your chance to make amends, get your shit together, or you will die here. You could look at it that way. I think you could look at it very literally like, hey, make your mark, get shit figured out. This is going to be the end of you. Is it going to be the end of your house?
Starting point is 00:23:19 Are you going to be able to step up and put things in order so that when shit goes down and you die, you still win? You could look at it that way. If you want to get super deep, you could say, is that version of Damon going to die here? Are we going to see from this scene as a new Damon going to arise from it, a damon that actually gives a shit that does the right thing? Could be. There's a lot of ways to look at it. I think I'm going, what I took from is the literal approach. He's not going to survive Harren Hall.
Starting point is 00:23:49 The other thing that I thought is, are you going to die here, or you're going to die here now? Or are you in 50 years going to die here? Are you going, like, maybe that's the, the, you win the war and you end up being. The Lord of Heron Hall or some shit, or you guys moved to Heron Hall and you're here and you just, maybe that's the split. Maybe it was a fork in the road. You're going to die either soon. Yeah. If you lose or if you win, you're going to die here anyway.
Starting point is 00:24:15 It's a possibility. I don't know. Deep. Deep. Anyway, we get Masaria and Renera, and they are talking about Allison. How does she move? How can I get to her? I need a face-to-face.
Starting point is 00:24:28 If I send a raven, it's not going to work. I need to sit down with her. It's very important to me. And she gives her the info, says, look, Damon got in with a boat. Let's take a boat. Nobody knows what you actually look like. You just fucking wear an outfit, you're going to be fine. They're not going to point out and be like, that nuns ranera.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Because guess what? There was no pictures. Yeah. I always think about that when people are sneaking around. I'm like, how's he going to get it? I was sure that she was going to walk into somebody that she knew before she got to the sept. But that wouldn't be that fun. That's like an obvious one.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Yeah. Where it's like, oh, no. I'm actually glad they didn't play it that way and just like, oh, yeah, she got through. Yeah. Because I think about that a lot with this show, honestly. And like, anytime I'm watching a medieval show and people are sneaking around, I'm like, oh, God, they're going to get caught. I'm like, oh, that, how would you know what they're going to look like?
Starting point is 00:25:12 I'm actually your half-uncle. Yo, what's up? What's up? Oh, God, Ulf. You know me. My dad told me to look out for you. Reneira gets to Kings Landing, and they're headed back to the church. Once again, this place of, I don't know if it's comfort, but a safe space for her and Allison.
Starting point is 00:25:30 To come together, we saw it happen in the first season when Reneer lost her mother, and Allison took her there to help her grieve. through it says light a candle for your mom we saw it when alison was there and on the other side in dragonstone ranera was having the funeral for luke and you had that moment of fire between the two of them that was also that there's something i don't know if it's sacred about this place for them but safe about this place to the point where she can even walk in sit down next to alison and alison will stay there and at least hit her out which is important so as they're sitting there trying to figure out is there a way forward is there peace to be had riner is trying to push forward alison's
Starting point is 00:26:08 Like, now, she's not closed off to the idea yet, but she's not really hearing it either. She's on the guise of, look, it's almost too late. It's almost too late. By the end of this conversation, it is too late. But the most important thing here, one, you see where both sides are the same in a lot of ways because Allison blames her for Jaheras. Rennara blames her for Luke. And both of them deny having a hand in it.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Both of them are telling the truth. But that's the whole point is that goes all the way back to the beginning of the episode with Rayneese, it doesn't fucking matter. Because you've got all these dudes with too much testosterone, too much ego, trying to prove that, no, it's time for bloodshed. I'm going to kill everybody and show everybody that I'm the fucking man because you got a pissed off teenager at the helm who wants to prove that he's not a bitch because he's a huge bitch.
Starting point is 00:26:56 And on the other side, you got Damon who's ready to go to war because that's who Damon is. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, the two of them sitting together now, as we already know, it's too little too late. But this is where it starts. This is where it's probably going to end is between the two of them. Without the two of them, we don't have the dance of the dragons. We don't have anything that comes from it. We don't have all the killing. We don't have the realm being torn into. So the two of them being able to sit down together, obviously, Reneer does pull out a dagger and says, I will kill you. And I will obviously die.
Starting point is 00:27:26 That's safety, though. That's not a... It's definitely safety, yeah. But Allison still heard her out. And even though she's denying everything and Reneer is coming up with all the different things that have happened and they're essentially just hashing out the things that they haven't been able to talk about. Like, hey, Luke died. Judy, your dumbass son. Okay, Jiharis is dead because of Damon. So what are we supposed
Starting point is 00:27:47 to do here? We're both doing things on each other's sides, but we're still both steadfast in Reneera thinking, Viseras wanted her to be queen, and Allison saying, I talked to him, his last words were about Agon. And you have that sudden realization from Reneer Oh, shit. Did
Starting point is 00:28:03 I have this all wrong? Yeah. did my father who was on my side the entire time talking about me being queen did he actually change his mind because I'm telling you over and over and over again that he didn't and you're telling me that in that last moment he did say something about agon yep shit and she starts crying because she's now has to face it like yeah she's put it she has not once believed that it happened now it's right in her face and she's like look you can call me a lot of things uh I'm not a liar yeah And she goes, oh, fuck. Well, what did he say?
Starting point is 00:28:36 She finally hears her out, like, what's your side of the story? And she goes into the whole story. Allison, talked a little too much. You can't share that much information. He said, Agon's name, the prince that was promised. And Lightbulb, Renaro's like, oh, my God. He told you about the Song of Ice and Fire. That is a prophecy about Agon the Conqueror, not your agon.
Starting point is 00:29:01 I love Allison's response to it. The Conqueror? If you had the subtitles on it, I saw that's what I did too, yeah. C dot dot, dot, dot, conqueror. Because her entire world just came crashing up down. She just went, oh my God, all of this is my fault because I didn't know what was going on. I listened to a dude that had holes in his entire body that was literally seconds away from death couldn't breathe. And I took what he said in that moment and redid the entire kingdom under what I thought
Starting point is 00:29:33 was his idea holy shit I'm the cause yeah the roller coaster from this is incredible with Reneira maybe realizing that Vesaris
Starting point is 00:29:42 changed his mind her world comes crashing down asks for a little more information Allison realizing that Reneera was crashing at that point
Starting point is 00:29:51 now this is my opportunity to finish it off and we're going to see what Reneira does is Reneer just going to rescind her claim to the throne say that you know
Starting point is 00:29:59 Vesaris wished for this we'll pull back we'll have a way to figure all of out, Allison gets all high and mighty and starts sharing too much information, then says that, and then her world comes crashing down. And Rainer is on the other side, like, yeah, you mess this one. I fucked it up. But I do get it, at least. I understand where the misunderstanding
Starting point is 00:30:18 comes from. And what's Allison's supposed to do? It's a moment of, it's, like, her saying it's too late was not her being like, no, it's too late. I don't think she was, like, standing her ground. I think she was almost, like, defeated, like, what are we supposed to? Like, it's done. Like, the pieces have been moved people are even if i say anything at this point agon's not listening to me he's gone i don't have any control over what happens next auto's gone it is what it is now the world is going to burn down because i misheard visceris and my bad but yeah i'm out see yeah deuses good luck getting out of here i got to go cry so again not the most exciting episode but a fantastic episode
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Starting point is 00:33:34 Let's get to some questions. Let's get to some questions. First up from M. Norino is Amon's the Night King? The camera angle of him leaving the brothel was giving foreshadow. I love the way that people read into these shows. No, he's not the night. No, he's not. Don't we know who that?
Starting point is 00:33:51 We already know who that was. Uh-uh. I never confirmed up. Oh, I thought they did. It could have been like a first one of the Starks or something. They say that the children of the forest got one of the starks and stabbed him with the dragon glass, and that's what happened. Because his eye is indicative of, like... Could be.
Starting point is 00:34:07 I mean, it does kind of look, a little blue. I don't know. That's a deep cut. I, God, I hope you're right. That would be amazing. That would be great. If he flies... Wait, wait, wait, he flies Vagar beyond the wall.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Begar doesn't like it because they don't like going beyond the wall. Bucks him off. Fucks him off. Falls. Could be. I'm on board Yeah but I think the Night King already exists Shut up
Starting point is 00:34:31 In this world because Craig and Stark said that there's already White Walkers so there's already a Night King Let's just shut up Yeah Did you stop it A couple hundred years too late But no I just love the way
Starting point is 00:34:40 The people read into these you know From R. Herald 78 What if they didn't actually kill the air Jeharris and the mom is lying I think we're a couple episodes too Yeah I've seen this pop up a few times I think my biggest takeaway from that is what does it matter at this point? You know, I guess you have an air in waiting,
Starting point is 00:35:01 but as far as the piece is being in place for war, it's irrelevant now. Yeah. From Mary had a little, why did we just meet Gwain? I feel like they never mentioned him before. We did meet Gwain, actually. In the first season, he did fight in that tournament.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Oh, that's right. He got his shit kicked by Damon. Damon smoked them. Yeah. But, yeah, I forgot about that. Damon actually, because I just watched it last week. Damon stuck his lance in the ground and the horse fucked up the horse. Yeah, don't fuck the horse.
Starting point is 00:35:31 That was my only issue. And then he would ever and kicked him. Yeah. I don't have a lot of problems with Damon, even after he set blood and cheese on Jahris. But don't fuck with the horse. Yeah. From Severandozo, how badly did you want to see Bailey get moon dancer to light up Kristen Cole on that? That would have been great.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Like, I was, my heart was. I think Bailey is going to play an important role moving forward. She's great. She's a hard ass. I love it. She's sick. From Kristen Nicole, did you notice? Ooh, Kristen Cole, boo.
Starting point is 00:36:04 That's great. Did you notice the tapestry changes in the intro? Changes from week to week? It's every once in a while. I noticed that they changed it from the gears from last season to the tapestry, but I didn't. Maybe I need to watch the intro. You got to watch the intro. I skip the intro.
Starting point is 00:36:20 You skip it? Yeah. This is the only show that I don't skip the intro for. I watch the recap every week. I watched, like, the buildup, like, scenes from last week because that makes me focus on what to focus on this episode because they point out important things. The tapestry, I have not. I will. I will from here on out.
Starting point is 00:36:35 All right. From Nicky Mono 23, is Lainer coming back and is that why C-Smoke was restless? That's actually... That's interesting. Is he on his way back? And maybe, like, C-Smoke and feel... I think C-Smoke, I keep seeing C-Snoke. I know.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Seas-Moke would go to him. That's what I think, too. Back in his vicinity. I think it's probably that Reneiro's feeling like lonely. Renier's really sad, okay? She's really sad, so C-smoke's had him good. Oh, God. Now we've got a little bit of Bravo mixed in here.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Steele, you're ready for it? From Helen J. Harm, who would you rather have as Hand of the King, Kristen Cole, or Kristen Doty? Doty would be a funny hand of the king. Doty, look, Doty would probably be pretty good, honestly. She would, she's conniving. She would be able to move pieces. Yeah, she'd be a better master of whispers. But yeah, fuck yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:29 She's better than Kristen Cole. Anybody is. Yeah. And I'll do two more here from Klaich Munn. Opinion on what Allison said, meant when she said, you know what Amund is. So that, to me, I meant to mention that earlier, to me what that is, is them underestimating what Amund is. I think she and her mind has. Eamon pegged, and I think that's been his story his entire life.
Starting point is 00:37:57 People think on this kid, I'm actually this. And I think that that's what you get from the scenes of him in the brothel is that woman actually understands that Eamon has layers to him, whereas Allison thinks he's just a war crazy, like... But Allison doesn't know how to connect to her children. He doesn't know her kids, so I think that's what that was going to allude out to. One more here. From Darya underscore PNG, who do you think dies next episode?
Starting point is 00:38:22 Someone's got to go down. Someone's got to go down. Jehires wasn't important to know why he's the error, but he wasn't important enough to die in the first episode. Bold prediction? Rainies. Safe bet? Someone big's going down.
Starting point is 00:38:41 They have to. It's time. It's time for someone big to go down. Honestly, I can see Agon getting smoked. That's a bold prediction, too, though. Yeah. Hmm. I'm going to stick with Rainis.
Starting point is 00:38:54 That's mine. I don't think. I still think that Amon and Damon are going to battle. And, again, I still think they're probably both going to die in that situation. But I don't think they're going to do that that early. I'm going to say, I think Rainey's going to die in the next episode or two. That's not even a bold prediction. That's just who I think is coming.
Starting point is 00:39:17 And bold prediction is that Raina gets killed on her. her road to what? Not bad. Okay. Bela. I'm going Bela. Because then Rana takes a bigger role. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:34 All right. I like that. And, yeah, and Baila's, you know, she's not afraid. Not afraid. To ride a dragon. Yeah, there you go. That's all I got. Well, make sure that if you want to hear our exclusive episodes starting this week,
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