Bros & Shows - Waterfalls, Blue Holes and Robyn's Bonnet (Southern Charm Full Review, RHOP Full Review)

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

What's up Bro's? The Eagles stink and we're sad but you know what brightened up our day? Bravo baby. On todays episode we start out with Southern Charm and things are still tense among the group. Taylor and Austen are both getting tired of the Olivia issue (even though they caused it). Shep is trying to play savior to Taylor. JT thinks he finally has a shot with Taylor and around and around we go... Then we're in Potomac and we actually had an enjoyable episode with the ladies. The lunch and dinner scenes looked like a good time and its nice to see everyone vibing for once. The group continues to press Robyn about Juan in hopes to get to the bottom of it. The Wendy and Nneka saga continues but its getting more and more convoluted.. Remember to buy tickets to our live show! Thursday, January 25th at the Green Room 42 in Times Square, NYC! Click the link to purchase or click the link in our instagram bio! This episode is brought to you by Bubly Sparkling Water. No sweetener, no artificial flavors, no calories, all smiles. Go to Bubly.com to purchase or find a store near you. Time Stamps: Southern Charm (12:37) RHOP (45:41) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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it just doesn't matter nothing matters anymore everything is meaningless and life is over is that what you're saying yes you want to go go over why yeah the eagles are frauds they're the first the worst fucking team the league they don't deserve anything and i shouldn't have gone on a trip to go see them because it's terrible would i still be feeling this bad if they won no probably not right Like, I feel fine, because at least I would have, like, some meaning in my life. I'd be like, yeah, you know what? Did I go on a bender for three days in Dallas? Yes, I did.

But did they win? Yes. And I'd feel good about that. I don't. You just feel... There we're just hungover, defeated, and sad? Yeah, all three. Well, here's the thing.

And this might cheer you up or might not. Because, like, we've talked about it before. We've opened ourselves up to this because we preach about our fandom on here. so when we lose we have a lot of listeners that like to throw daggers like to try to take digs here and there say mean shit say go 49ers or go boys we damn boys ha ha your words mean nothing you can't hurt us yeah we already hurt ourselves we are fillies fans we are filly fans eagles birds fillies sixers flyers we are used to heartbreak that's what happens we get our hopes up and then we get crushed. And then we get our hopes up and we get crushed. So if you think that your DM with WeedM Boys and a star emoji is going to hit us anywhere,

you are incorrect. We are talking about it though. We are talking about it, but more so just to say, like, we are already defeated. You can't hurt us anymore. I just wish that I wouldn't put myself in the position to be there in person. It's one thing if like, yeah, I just went out Sunday night and watched the game and it was

terrible and I just went home early and then I went to sleep in my own bed. No. I had a whole trip planned around this, had a great time, was talking shit, but I was being nice. Like, I'm not the typical, everybody loves to talk about the typical Phillies fans, like coming into a different stadium. You guys are going to fight us? Like, no, I'm going to make friends with you guys and laugh about how terrible my team is

because they disappoint me. And that's pretty much what happened. But, yeah, as long as if I just wasn't there in person, it would be so much better. Same thing with the Phillies. Like, you go to the Phillies game? Like, oh, they fucking lost again. Sick. Like, great.

You think I'm ever going to go to an Eagles Super Bowl? No. No chance. It's like, this is why I see, this is why I don't go to games. I am much more at home in a bar, at home on the couch. I don't need to be there, whether it's home or away. Yeah. Because this is a possible outcome.

I don't want to look like this. Bad outcome. You look terrible. Yeah. I told you before, whatever I look like, I feel 10 times worse. Now, you look okay, all things consider. I just took a shower. Oh, good.

Wash my hair. Like I just stained my new couch with your shirt. No, no, no. But I will be in sweatpants for the foreseeable future. That's totally fine. Other than that, did you have a nice trip? Oh, we had a great trip. That's good.

Boys were vibing. We kept saying that we were bricked up, and we had to explain the people what bricked up meant. Oh, that's fun. Which is fun. Yeah. You're going to explain to our audience? No, absolutely not. They'll figure it out.

Just, you know, maybe don't Google it. No, Google it. Private Google it, maybe. Definitely Google it. Yeah, I mean, it was three guys in a hotel room, too, which is, like, always great. So if anybody walks in, they're like, what the fuck's going on here? Like, you guys really packed it in here. Can't imagine the shape of that hotel room when we left.

I feel bad for whoever has to go there. You're one of those people? We tried to clean up, but like, no, I just meant like the smell. Oh, God. Why didn't you just get your own hotel rooms like adults? We did. We were going to, but then our one friend really wanted to go to this one hotel because there's a picture of Dennis Robman above the urinal.

Stop it. And Dennis Rodman is like, I'll show you the picture. later. Stop it. He picked a hotel just for a... He's gone to this game like four or five years and around. This is Levin, yes.

Levin has gone to this game like four or five years in a row when he goes to the same hotel because of that picture. It is a really nice hotel, and the bar downstairs is great. It's in a good location, so it works out really well. But yeah, we didn't think about it. We were just excited. I also didn't know that our third friend was coming, Pete. It was a complete surprise.

So when I walked in on Friday, he was there. The vibes were super high, even though 75% of my fucking flight from Philadelphia was Cowboys fans. There's, I'm telling you, there's a whole, it's putrid here. I don't get it. The best part is, like, I met a lot of Dallas fans down there that I actually like as people because they hate the people that live around Philly and they're fans of Dallas. Yeah.

They despise those people. They can't, they hate those people. They say that they're most obnoxious people ever. All the Dallas fans, they're actually the worst fan that I met the entire weekend was a Niners fan. Like, what are you doing here? Fuck off, dude. Yeah, go away. Go away.

Nobody cares about what you're thinking. But the Dallas fans that we met there, all super nice. Yeah. They were all, like, welcome. to their area. They're like, you know, I hope it's going to be a really good game. It's going to be fun. You guys really came down here at a good time.

You know, the weather's okay. We're going to have fun. Like, you want a jello shot. Like, really nice people. That tends to be the case in that area. Yeah. And then you meet the people that come from where you live, that are Dallas fans, and they're the worst people in the world.

So those people can go straight to hell. But we thought that prior, so it's funnier that we know they don't even have a home. We're like 10 minutes into this episode. We haven't said one thing about problems. I feel like you needed this, though. I do. Yeah, it is kind of cathartic. I'm trying to make sure that you're okay.

What I really need is, like, a sauna, sweat out the toxins. I'm division. We have a sauna. You have a sauna? Yeah. You don't want me in that sauna right now. I guarantee you you won't be gross than some of the dudes that's sitting there. Okay.

All right, cool. Yeah, come on in. I'll take care of you big guy. I'll be there tomorrow more than sweating now. But yeah, no, let's see. You're right. You're right. I'm going to walk in.

They're just going to smell like vodka. I'm like, what the fuck? Who's drinking? You'd be like walk out of there just dripping. I feel a lot better now. Check me out. Check me out. Vodka and barbecue sauce probably.

But yeah. No, that was cathartic. Let's get on, let's get on to Bravo. All right, cool. You're welcome. And that was only six minutes. So felt like that. Everything feels long now, though.

Everything is long. Yeah. And it's daylight savings still, so it's dark. Dude, I'm actually thankful for daylight savings now because now I can go to bed at I don't care. I can go to bed at 8 o'clock tonight. We're not on the same page anymore. Uh, let's do our power rankings.

Why don't you go first so you can get it out of the way so you can chill? Yeah, let's rank them up. Um, Southern Charm continues to impress. Yep. Just, there's nothing better on TV right now. I'm on TV. I actually, it's even better than football. I mean, football is a terrible sport.

Who cares about it anymore? Um, but I might even just start watching the NBA. I might just give up. Oh, it's over? It's over. Yeah, I'm just going to hear today. This is the last thing because I texted the group chat about it. It was so fucking funny.

I was on my way to the gym. and 94-1 was on and this guy calls in and he was dead serious and he's from Delco probably and he's like look he started comparing the Eagles to Rocky in Rocky 3 he's like look if you look at the Rocky

movies we lost a clubber laying Rocky lost a clubber lang he went he made the adjustments he came back and he beat clubber so if Rocky can do it we can do it yeah the problem with that is the next fight probably didn't take place for another year because that's how boxing matches

work, so maybe we have to wait until next year. The other problem. Whose club or lag? Is it the Cowboys of the Niners? Because we just got the shit kicked out of us by both of them. I think the biggest issue that you're ignoring is Rocky's a fictitious character. He was written to win. That's true.

So this man was dead serious trying to compare the Eagles making an adjustment to Rocky Balboa. That's a pretty Philly thing, though. It was so good. It actually made me happier. And I texted the group and I was like, if Rocky can do it, we can do it, guys. It made me happy that I listened to it today. I was not touching anything yesterday I didn't turn sports center on like nothing so yeah

anyway back to Bravo Southern Charm I've got it number one it just gets so murky after that I don't know I've still got Salt Lake at 2 it's that 3, 4, 5 spot that I have a really hard time with I think right now where I am because we do this every week I'm putting Miami because even though I hate Larsa as a person

and she's the epitome of, like, a Cowboys fan reincarnated. Nice. She, it makes for good TV. Like, I hate her so much, but I like watching it. I hate her so much. I want people to yell at her. I know, same. So, yeah, Miami, it's picking up, and I think that that deserves a three spot.

Potomac's getting there. They're not five anymore. It was much better this week. Yeah, so I'm putting Potomac at four in Beverly Hills at five because I am tired of Beverly Hills already. Damn, really? Yeah, Eric is great, which I never thought that I'd find myself. saying, but I am getting really tired of the Kyle stuff.

The Kyle stuff I get, I'm going to go, and then we'll discuss. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Southern Charm 1. I have a newcomer because you, and it's totally fine, you've had a long weekend. We have a new show entering the mix. Southern Hospitality premiered again. I'm putting Southern Hospitality at two. I really enjoyed episode one.

If you guys haven't watched it yet and are not getting on board the Soho train, it's a great show. It's got a lot of, especially this episode. So I'd played a lot like early Vanderpump with some of the Jackson-Stosy shit, and I'll spoil something for you. Trevor cheated again. Oh, shocker. Trevor from Philly.

Trevor from the main line cheated again. Who would have thunked? Classic Trevor. Yeah, seriously. There's 50 Trevor's in the main line and all of them have cheated on the girlfriend. Yep. Anyway. Shout out Trevor's everywhere.

Yeah, there you. Well, I don't want to bash all. Just mainline trevers. I don't want to. Yeah, okay. That's fair. after soho i'm going salt lake probably then i'm going beverly hills miami potomac but potomac is five very close to four because it had a much better week six close to five yes right

six close to five because it was a much better episode this week right the last week and you know why because they had some fun there was that's that's all it was about though like there was no, it's going to be in a battle with Beverly Hills the entire season, I think. Yeah, because it's sort of, it's, it's a close storyline. We want Robin to talk about Juan. We want Kyle to talk about her marriage. Yeah. We're not getting either of those things. But Potomac looks like it's on the edge of Robin might have an absolute meltdown and actually tell us what's going on. She's getting so close. Like the fact that she cries in the car at the end, because when she blows up in the room, I'm like, she's not going to get into it. She's still deflecting,

still deflecting. When she cries in the car and the episode ends, that's when I was like, oh, she might finally be turning and, like, might be about to say something. Right. She's not going to. I'm getting my hopes up for nothing. She's not going to, no. But there's inklings.

This is why we do this. We do this every week because, as you told me last week, we can't look at potential. We have to look at how it is. Correct. So I saw that they had a little bit of fun this week, and we got a little bit out of Robin, at least some sort of emotion. And that was enough for me to put it a little bit ahead of Beverly Hills. But again, they're basically tied.

Yeah, I agree. But without further ado, let's just jump in. The one thing I'll say about Beverly Hills and the Kyle thing, I agree with you. I'm going to get tired of it. But I think that because of how we know the season's going to go, you're going to have to shift your mindset into being more analytical about the Kyle stuff, not being angry about the Kyle stuff. It'll go through waves.

I will switch to an analytical standpoint, and then I'll go back to being angry about it again because I'll be thinking about it too much. Yeah, that's fair. And it'll be taking up too much of my brain. Fair enough. Although I do have a new free slot in my brain. Because there's no more birds. I don't give a shit about the Eagles anymore.

That's just a lie. Wait until Thursday. You'll be back on that. Thursday, no. Thursday, I'm still going to be hung over. This is going to be a long week. It's a Monday night game, so Sunday you'll be back to form. We'll see.

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gotten in the past for the nudes that she sent to whitney and some of her behavior amongst the group now in the past madison got scorched for doing similar things and now we see Taylor has J.T. coming to her defense, people trying to stand up, even Shep's trying to stand up for, and I think that that boiled over. But we get a scene here with Madison and Taylor where they're just talking and they're by the pool. Madison says something that I think we're all on the same page, or at least were to start the season. I'm starting to shift my opinion of her overall. But Madison says, I don't think you're a bad person. I just think you're doing a lot of shitty things. Then she's like, yeah, you know, I don't think.

I think I'm doing everything the right way right now, and then my friend sent me this, and it's an article from page six, and the timing couldn't be worse, they're all together on this trip, Olivia is there, page six drops an article that says that Austin and Taylor have hooked up. Now, first and foremost, because you've been back and forth, do you think they had sex? No. You still don't? No, I still don't.

Why? Because I don't. You want me to expand? Oh, yeah, this is a podcast. This is a podcast in which you need to expand on your opinions. No, I actually, I don't. I think that what we're seeing is, we kind of touch on it a little bit later. And it's really funny to see that Madison and Craig are the voices of reason at this point.

Like if you had said that to me like four or five years ago, I would have been dumbfounded. But the two of them coming together, Madison's spilling some good knowledge. She starts talking about how Taylor is just kind of like latching onto JT because that's her only friend here. We've been saying that, but it's weird that somebody in the moment can say that. because usually these people don't realize what's going on around them. Madison's being very analytical and not being biased in any way. She's just, she apologized for the way that she felt. And now she's being able to sit back and say, okay, this is what's going on here.

I don't think that she's a terrible person, but I think that she's having a really hard time, which is what we've been saying. But I think that when it comes down to it, everybody already has this pre-conceived notion that they hooked up and they did way more than they're saying. And because of who Austin is as a person, and because we know what kind of train wreck Taylor has been recently, that's kind of where everybody lands. They're not accepting any other answers. And I think that we're not getting anything more. There's no new knowledge popping out. There's no, like, people wanted to point to the comment that Austin made at Whitney's House a couple of weeks ago where he said, yeah, it was a couple of weeks after New York. They thought they caught them in a lie.

They didn't. I thought that was denied. They were just being a little vague early on, and now he was being specific. and it's still lined up in my eyes because we were looking at it like that. I don't think that they're not getting caught up in lies. And Austin's an idiot. He always gets caught up in lies.

And he has it this far. And, you know, I kind of would have expected Taylor to have blown up and tried to say the truth, if the truth happens, that we did more than just make out. She would have blown up and said that to Shep or to Leva or to Olivia to try to, like, get her back on board.

She would have shared the truth. She's not. She's just crying because they're like stuck. in this rut at this point and nobody's accepting their truth. So I think that there's nothing more to the story. People just want more and it sucks because now I mean, look, it doesn't suck because they did

betray their friends and that's terrible. So they do deserve to feel terrible. However, just because it doesn't line up with what you think happened doesn't mean that it's any worse than it is. I agree. No, you don't. With your reasoning. Oh, okay. I agree with your reasoning.

And there is a part of me that when I watch these scenes, I think the same thing. I'm like, you know, if you keep trying to push this narrative that something more happened, but it didn't, they're going to continue to look worse and worse because they're going to keep getting more and more uncomfortable because you don't believe them. But it's impossible for me to listen to everything that you just said and not say, well, that's all a lot of evidence as to why I don't believe that all they did was kiss, because Austin is who Austin is. And they have gotten caught up in lies. And that's why I'm thinking, because Austin had told Taylor, take it

to the grave that we kissed. We did not kiss. Don't tell anybody we kissed. That comes out. Taylor's like, what the fuck? She got blindsided by that. She didn't think that he was going to, like, tell Olivia that. So if they lied again, and they've already been caught in a lie, that will ruin any friendship

they have with these people forever. Yeah, definitely what is? They cannot come back from that. So if they did more, they're now at the point where they have to take it to the grave, if they want any chance at any kind of friendship. and when you have that kind of pressure, I do believe that both of them are capable of holding that one in.

But if it never comes out, that's a win for me. Because you can't tell me otherwise. There's no facts. I'm not, look. No, no, I'm not saying you specifically. I'm saying, I'm talking to the people that disagree with me.

You know who you are. If nothing ever comes out, you can't tell me that I'm wrong. I'm not, I'm, look. I need a win right now, right? I'm on the fence. I don't know. That's the thing is like we don't,

No. And yes. What is the term? It's circumstantial. Circumstantial evidence. Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's circumstantial.

I'm good with words right now. Yeah, you can pick up what I'm putting down. You're buying what I'm selling. But let's keep going. We get a trip to the blue hole and a waterfall. And the group gets split in half, a very timely splitting of the group, I think, because Olivia's not talking to half of them. Because she's upset about this article.

And I think that the whole reason she's upset, and understandably so, I know this has been going on for a while. It's been back and forth, up and down, this whole roller coaster of emotion. She feels better, then she feels worse. She talks to Taylor, then she doesn't talk to Taylor. She talks to Austin, calls him at night, all of this crazy shit. I think she's allowed to have these up and down moments

because every time it's about to be squashed, she's reminded of it. Yeah. Two, every time that she's able to reconcile, like, maybe all they did was kiss. Maybe I can live with, like, what they've told me and just not dig into it anymore and just be okay with it as soon as she gets to that point then she gets evidence that says well they hooked up page six says they hooked up now she's like well and then she starts going over her head no i'm not fucking stupid they had all these sleepovers together after they had apparently kissed you're telling me they had platonic sleepovers after making out that doesn't make a whole lot of sense

j t's telling me that they've been sleeping in the same house frequently even when we were dating like there's so much shit that comes out of this that there's no way in my mind that These two have not hooked up. I don't think that that's what's going on right now, though. I think what's going on is Olivia is upset because now it's super public. She's got people that she didn't tell that are texting her saying, what the fuck is this about? Because if it's somebody on the group or somebody that's in the group, they already know.

So yes, obviously they're going to react to the fact that it's public knowledge now, and it's obviously very current. But Olivia is getting text messages from the outside. That's why she's shut up in the hotel room because she's thinking, well, this makes me look like an absolute idiot. I look like an asshole. This is my best friend, and that's the guy I used to... I'm not even going to call them X's.

It's the guy I used to hook up with. They now made out, now it's public knowledge. I look like an idiot. Shep also looks like an idiot, but he's taking a very different path, which we'll talk about. And that's really all it comes down to, I feel like for this moment. I do love, however, that when Olivia gets that text message, that's organic. That's one of her friends or somebody in her family that sent her that, and she's like, what the fuck? like I literally I haven't even had my coffee yet I'm going to sit down and I'm going to have to

spend my whole morning thinking about this once again just like you said every time that she gets close to squashing it it comes back up in a different way yeah yes this isn't new evidence but it is a very public thing that that she's definitely mentioned in the article too so it it sucks for her so that really sucks I love when they all get the text message on the sprinter van because that was definitely just a producer or it was Whitney going to work Because Whitney is, I got to go do some work. I can't go to the blue hole today. Okay, dude, you went over there.

You sent them all that text message because you're the producer on the show. Everybody gets it at the same time. Like, okay, that's somebody on the show sending it to them. Or it's Leva maybe at home sending it to all of them. But either way, I love that they all get it. And they're like, oh, look what it is. Now everybody knows. And that's when we're on the bus with both parties.

And on one side, we get a discussion of the article. And in the article it says, like, she also hooked up with a friend of Whitney, which is confusing. We haven't heard about that. No. I don't know if that plays at all either. But this is interesting because I didn't see this coming out. And I'm bummed that this is even a topic of conversation, but it shouldn't surprise

me with these two morons. Because now Austin and Taylor, who are on the same bus, they're chit-chat. And they're like, you know what? I'm pretty over this. Like, I'm kind of tired of this. This keeps coming back up and it's like killing my vibe. It's like, guys. I'm in Jamaica.

I'm having a great time right now. And all I want to do is just sit around and drink a beer. or not think about this. Why do I have to keep thinking about this? This is where timelines have to come back and we need somebody to make a flowchart because this is what? Episode 7 or 8 maybe?

Sure. Let's throw that out there. Seven or eight. So that means that we are maybe maybe like four weeks into filming at this point. You can't be over that that quickly. You're not allowed. Not even a month, dude.

But Vanita, great drop-in because she says what you say all the time. You guys need to stop protecting Taylor. She says that to the This is the other group I was said Shep and all that crew Because Shep goes on this whole like Savior rant

Where he's like white night bullshit Yeah I'm gonna take a different approach And I'm gonna try to lead her through this time Where she's a little rocky Because she needs support guys And I've been in her shoes before Completely ignoring the fact

That he's the one that sent her on this Tornado of a path that she's on But he's gonna be the white night He's gonna be the savior for Taylor But thank God Vanita steps in And says knock it off. She keeps doing this shit. Like she claims to not be this person. This is the same conversation we had about Rachel. You claim to not be this person. You claim to be a better

person. You claim to be aware of the fact that the things you're doing are fucking stupid and you keep getting yourself in hot water and you keep scorning your friends. You keep pitting your friends against each other. Olivia finds out about the text you sent that tried to make Shep jealous of Austin way after the fact. So all of these things keep adding up. And you want to like hide under the rug you want to everything to go away and be fine again and you be cool with Olivia again then stop doing dumb shit and then the worst thing you could possibly do is go I'm kind of over this I'm pretty over that's that's being pushed by

Austin though which is again kind of annoying but do you think if Taylor wasn't on this war path right now with the new that she sent to Whitney and you know even like hooking up with JT's friend over in Europe and all the shit that she's been doing. If she just had this isolated issue, do you think people would be a little more forgiving thinking like, you know what, this was a moment of weakness? We're still going to focus in on Austin because it's super fucked up that he did that. But we understand where you're coming from. I think at this point, because she's done so much else, nobody's giving her any sort of pass, which again, she doesn't deserve a pass for everything, but we do know what she went through with Shep. We understand

that. And she's got to be in a crazy frame of mind. It's just insane that she burned the one bridge that she had left with Olivia by doing this. It's just, it's wild. I don't know. I don't know. Reality TV is always in a nutshell. People overreact no matter what. So I don't think that people would be giving her a pass,

but I feel like you and I would probably be sitting here maybe a little more willing to give her some sort of grace in that. See, I think that the whole group would be able to like, there would have been a kumbaya moment before now had she not done everything else because they keep looking at evidence. They're looking for reasons to be like, see, you're not being a good person. Yeah. This is more evidence against you, a nude to Whitney. Why did you send that?

What's going on? Why are you using sleeping at Austin's as ammo to get back at Shep? Right. That doesn't make any sense. All of these things. So when it adds up, no, you're not going to give that person grace because they don't deserve it. Until you prove that this is an isolated incident, as you said, this is unbecoming of your character, something that we don't normally see out of you. when you see it over and over again,

no, that's just who that person is. She can change and get better down the road, but this is who she is right now, and they all need to accept it. And like Benita said, back the fuck off. She's going to keep digging this hole. Give her a shovel and let her go.

Well, she did get to sit up until 4 a.m. with J.T. play a little ping pong. I love that J.T. went back and played a little ping pong. He definitely made a lot of Shep jokes while playing that ping pong game. Oh, for sure. Yeah, you know, Shep would have thrown his paddle by now

and then said that he was happy that he cheated on you. you want another glass of champagne babe look for all the JT is maybe this is just my current state of mind I actually appreciated him in this episode he was good this episode he was not good

he was not good I hated him so much but he was good for the show in this episode he had that was the best moment of his past five years was playing ping pong with Taylor late night and being able to tell the group like yeah and then I went back to her room

until like 4 a.m. and we just drank and talked. And then Shep has to ask, which is, that bothered me too. He's like, are you sure? It's like, well, if you're asking if we hooked up, but I liked the JT answered him directly. I do too.

You need to do that with Shep because Shep doesn't actually. You do. I do. I do. I can't. But this scene, I just thought it was funny because I'm like, this is going to add to the list, Taylor, because you're going to lead him on.

Yep. He's going to get, when you say crushed, I mean, he's going to get, fucking demolished. If she gives him any kind of leeway and then cuts it off, he's not going to recover from him. I don't think he'll get crushed. I think that he's going to be delusional and think that he still

has a chance, even when she clearly cuts him off. Maybe that. I don't know, but... Unless she hooks up with Rod. Oh, my God. Don't... I don't... Who knows? Look, Rod's having a tough time on this trip, too. Oh, like, Rod.

Hold on. Let's just go to this scene. We get Rod and J.T. at the waterfall. sitting in the water and I was like, guys. Nice guys finished last, huh? And they're those guys now. They're like, we're such good dudes and we're the only dudes in all of Jamaica with no ladies. What's

going on, man? We're the best guys on the island and that's why we don't get chicks. Stop it. That's all over now. Now we're winners. Now we're winners and JT. had his night. But that's what they're alluding to because Rod's like, I think you got a shot, man. It's the two dorky guys that are like,

oh. And then Rod started talking about the night before with Austin with that comment which you and I were like, dude, Rod, like, fucking like, like, settled off. Don't make that horny joke goat, like, or a horny goat goat, horny goat joke. Wow, that's tough to say. Don't do that because we know what you're doing. We need a segment called the horny

joke goat. Yeah, we can figure that one out. I don't know. Who's the horny's person on Bravo this week? That's the horny joke. This week is by JT. But no, you can't sit there and make that comment. We didn't see the second part of that comment. No. We're Austin deflects it with a little humor, and they started

honing in on that saying that's a crazy thing to say, I'm not that great at math, but I can do numbers, three or four, okay. It's like, no, that's a joke. Everybody knows that he hooked up with Taylor. Yeah, they made out at least. They made out at least. That's what he's alluding to. That's the joke. That's enough to make that joke. But that's the annoying part of this, and that's why when people ask, like,

do you think they did more? I'm like, there's no evidence that they did more. I know that they could be shutting it down, but they're both idiots, and they would have let something slip at this point. That's not letting it slip. That's not. That's you digging more, and you're pissed off that you're now on a trip with a girl that you Once again, don't call her your ex. You dated her for two weeks, Rod. No, don't even say dated.

They went on dates. Oh, that's literally dating. No, it's not. Dating, I think that dating implies that at one point, you weren't seeing anybody else. I'm not talking about the implications. I'm saying literally they went on dates. That's dating. They were, okay, I guess, yeah.

But, like, I think that even dating saying they were dating makes it seem more efficient. Don't call her your ex either. No. Like, you weirdo? And don't stand in, like, none of these girls and no girls in the, fucking world that are watching this are going to be like, oh, look at these two guys. They keep getting scorned by the world because they're good dudes.

Everyone's going to watch it and call you guys fucking nerds. So, like, be cool, man. This is maybe my favorite tangent of Southern Char that we've ever done. This is great. We're just bashing these guys. Because it's a fucking tough look. I was watching this scene with them. I was like, what are they doing right now? They were floating

around in the ocean together. They're flirting. They were flirting with each other. Straight of flirting. like, guys, you can be nice guys and not finish last. Just don't do what you're doing in the water on camera. And certainly don't look at Austin as a blueprint and start hooking up with people and betraying your friends and do all of that because it might work out for Austin for whatever fucking reason. It's not going to work out with you guys.

No, you guys don't, yeah, you can't play the Austin. You guys will be off the show if you do that. Exactly. You'll be off the show and divorced and like it's going to get ugly. But anyway, let's move on. We get Austin and Taylor and now they're talking. And this is where they get much more into. to the i'm really tired of this topic of conversation it's like you don't get to make that

decision and thank god craig is the voice of reason this season oh that rhymed the voice of reason for the season Craig it is the season for reason yep i'm stuck on it just keep going push through i can't i'm really stuck uh but craig they call him over to join this conversation and he was like guys you're the ones that did this like you started this whole thing things. You don't really get to say when it's over. And at the same time, you're going to have to pick. You can either be friends with Austin or you can be friends with Olivia. You cannot have both because of what you guys did. It's never going to be cool again to that extent, even if you guys are friends. Because Olivia thinks that there's more there and has every right to feel that way.

At the very least, if you guys wanted to, if your goal, like Austin says, if your goal is to actually make her feel better and actually get her through this tough time and actually be her close friend, then you should know better, and you should clean up what your friendship is with Taylor, and you should do that anyway for the entire group because you're making everyone look dumb. You're making everybody question your friendship constantly. You know when you're all together, that's the elephant in the room, and yet you carry on like it's not a big deal. That's disrespectful to Taylor, it's disrespectful to Olivia,

that's disrespectful to every single person that you're talking to, because whether you're lying or not, the implications are all there, because you guys think it's okay to continue doing what you're doing, and that's throwing Olivia's feelings under the bus, Who needs you right now? That's been their M.O. Since everybody found out they hooked up. 100%.

They were still sleeping over. The next day after everybody found out what was going on, Taylor went to Austin's because she had to get an IV drip. Oh, yeah, that's true. They went over and hung out. They don't care. They don't. And that's the thing.

And that's why I was talking about the four-week rule with what they're doing right now, they're thinking, well, this is run its course. We're tired of it. I'm done with this. They don't get to dictate when everybody's done with this. No. Because they, their feelings aren't hurt. At the end of the day, like, you are the, you're not the victim, you're the perpetrator,

your feelings were not hurt. So you don't get to say when somebody else's feelings are good now. Like, that doesn't make any sense. But again, they're idiots. They are. They're not smart. But let's keep going. Before we get to Miss Tees, where they all have dinner together, I need to point this part out.

And this is what happens when I get stuck on an individual person if they enjoyed me. Is JT slip it on the waterfall? No, that bothered me too, just because it's, clearly a shtick that he's doing and that drives me not a stick it's a stick it is not a stick i think he leans in i think you think he's coordinated no but just because he's shredded no no no no you have a crush on the hell yeah the gas lighting just goes worse the worst you guys just witnessed it real time that's what he gets mad that's his m out there but anyway no i think that he probably slipped legitimately like three or four times and then it was slippery nobody said jt

are you okay yeah and then it's slippery and he just leans into the slip i think it's a move i think he thinks it's funny because he's that silly guy, but no, this is what happens when I latch on to somebody during an episode because they annoy me. When they're on the way home, Rod's talking to them and literally explains to them how to talk about their day. Did you catch that? No, he goes, what we can say is that we pretty much like went to the waterfall, like went down, like rode some waterfalls. And I was like, what do you, what the, what was another conversation going on over top of that? There was, I think that was the conversation that I got really confused because the subtitles

fucked me. It clipped over to the other side. Yeah, yeah. The subtitles, like usually subtitles are my friends. They were not my friend this time. Because they didn't even subtitle Rod talking. No. They subtitled the other people talking. So I was very confused as to what was going on. That's what Rob was talking about. He was explaining how to explain the day.

And I was like, you have to, what do you literally don't know what to say. You are a deer in the headlights. You got nothing. You're explaining how it. I know that they're going to just hold it on how our day was that they're going to talk about the article. Let's just say we did the things that we did. Okay, thanks, Rod.

I just tell them we did. I really appreciate that. What we did today. Anybody need notes? I actually took notes on the day. Waterfall. J.T. slip. Talk about feelings with JT.

Beers in the ocean. Shaka. Yeah. Shaka, bro. Shaka emoji, bro. But where are we? Oh, now are we misties. And before Olivia goes into the restaurant,

she gets a FaceTime from Leva. I like this role that Leva has. where she's not there, really ever. But anytime she's on the screen, you can tell that they clearly worked something out where it's like, all right, you're still going to be on the cast, but your job is to push narratives.

Yeah. You're going to continue storylines for us as a third party. We're going to phone you in. We're going to drop somebody at your bar while you're working. And then she just drops a little nugget and walks away.

And I think it's perfect because she's not being mean to people. She's found her niche, if you will. Yeah. But she FaceTime's Olivia and says, you need to talk to JT because he has more info than you have and you need to know what's going on because I think you're getting played. I think they're lying to you. I think that more happened here. And that also leads me to believe that more happened because I tend to believe

Leva. I tend to believe Leva too, but I think she's the defensive friend. She's the defensive friend for sure. She takes that like motherly instinct on. But I think what she does is she pretty much what you just said. She stirs the pot. She does. She just doesn't. it in a much cleaner way than we're used to, and she always makes sure that... It's way more caring, and she makes sure that her words are buttoned up nicely, and she doesn't let anything else kind of spill into it. She always has a reason, and she always spearheads this type of thing. It's not always the truth, though. It's just what she wants to do. I mean, let's not forget. This time last year, we were talking about how she was kind of an asshole at Craig's

Pillow Party. That's why I said she can't be mean now. Yeah, exactly. So now that she's a little removed that's all we're getting from her that's again not enough for me to say that there's definitely something else that happened here i just i'm going to point out you pointed out i'll continue to point it out but when they're at dinner this is the part that i don't like with shep's trying to be a shoulder to cry on or no shep's trying to be supportive of taylor and trying to tell her what to do to get through this thing and he's like all you have to do is go up to olivia and you just say to her man say I've fucked up and I'm sorry and everything will be okay

I do agree that like at the end of the day if you want things to attempt to get better just go up to her and flat out say I'm wrong I'm sorry what can I do if there's nothing I'm going to give you space and I'm going to stop putting things in your face to make you hate me

that would be one move I don't like Shep doing this is because it's emotional manipulation like this guy is trying to put himself in a position where he gets her through this whole thing she continues to lean on him because he wants the friendship with her. I don't think he wants anything romantic. He's made that very clear by passing on her advances and stuff like that.

But I think that there's a part of him that wants that feeling of she still needs me. Oh, it could be that, but he also might just be subconsciously guilty as fuck because he cheated on her so much. Subconsciously. There's no way he thinks about it, but I think maybe deep down he feels bad. He's one of those guys that walks around. Did you know that like 50% of people don't have an inner monologue? yeah i wasn't expecting you to say that but that's but my point being i don't think he has a conscious oh okay that he i don't think he i don't think inter monologue and conscious are the same

thing but i think that it can play no i don't think so either but i think you can play into it where you're like inside your head it's like oh maybe don't do that because that'd be dumb i don't think he has that little thing yeah i don't think he has anything in him that says i should still feel bad i think it's more so like i'm afraid that's why i said subconsciously no you don't think at all the inner monologue plays because he doesn't have a subconscious to like rack his brain It's not what a subconscious is. Subconscious, I know it's not, but at the same time, you could work through your thoughts and feelings in your own head. Sure.

Thinking about it. That would be conscious. Oh, my God, dude. You know what I'm saying? And I don't need this right now because you're trying to get through this faster because you don't feel great. And I'm trying to help and you keep roadblocking. Wait, wait, wait. I am not, by the way, I'm not trying to get through this fast.

I am leaning into the sidetrack. I don't need that. Of the inner monologue. well no isn't that weird do you have an inter monologue yeah yeah like 50 go in right now i know mine never turns off that's why i don't understand how people don't have that weirdos yeah where maybe we evolved like evolution okay like we're just more evolved than those people probably not no probably not go back to dallas um but olivia finally talks to j t and says what's going on and jt's big bombshell is nothing that we didn't

really know it's just the sleepovers were more frequent, it sounds like, and they also occurred while they were dating, which is completely unacceptable. There is no world in which that's okay. Even if she was still with Shepp, that would still be a major problem, but it's even more so because she was single.

Austin was dating Olivia, or together with Olivia, or at least exclusive with Olivia, Taylor should have been nowhere near that house. That's not okay. I don't know if that's true, though. Oh, dude, don't. Just because J.T. says it.

We knew that they were doing the sleepovers, but I don't know if that runs in. See, I don't take JT as a liar. I take it for a lot of things. I do. I don't think so. I do, because this spaces, if this drops out and everybody now understands what's going on and the timelines are a little more skewed than we thought,

then all of a sudden, Olivia's got no chance, and she's going to have to space her away from Austin if she wants any sort of relationship with Olivia. And if Taylor's out there away from Austin, that means J.T. gets Taylor. Dude, he had a great night last night. You don't think he's going to capitalize on that? What did he just say in the bay or in the fucking ocean

or whatever the hell of him and Rob were doing? He wants to win now. This is his opportunity. I don't think that he's going to do it that way because I don't, I don't know. What makes you say that JT's a great guy? As soon as he came on the screen, he just started to skewing that. You said he wouldn't lie. I don't think he would.

I don't think he would. He has given me no reason to believe he would because he hasn't. I think he's an industry plant. I think they threw him in there just because he knew that they had sleepovers. perhaps but that also again you are choosing i am jaded towards j t more so like austin and taylor over j t and that's fucking nuts you think that i don't know j t why you do know austin so you should imagine like if one side go to therapies but working on himself if you oh my god he would like take you through the ringer if you guys dated austin austin you would fall for every

fucking trick in his book, and you would literally get dragged on that, say, you would be Taylor. You are Taylor. That's who you are. Whoa. Whoa. You piece of shit. Oh, I didn't send any nudies. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a nude guy. I'm not a nude guy. I don't know what you're doing down there.

I'm going to never do. Galvanting with your friends for the weekend. Galvanting. Let's finish up this episode. Things pop off at the table. And J.T., I felt bad for him here because he stands up to try to like, which annoyed me, anytime someone takes this stance

where I'm going to be the man to stand up for the women, I'm going to stand up in front of the table and call Austin out on his shit. I felt bad because nobody took him seriously. Nobody cared. Everybody. Even Austin was smiling.

Everybody did. I was like, man, that sucks. Benita pulled up like a napkin in front of her face. I think she was laughing. I felt bad. Why? Because, like, maybe they know what he's doing. No, because here's why.

Because if Austin stood up and did that, people would have been like, shit. If Shep had done it, people would have been like, oh shit. Craig, oh shit. But because it's JT, everyone's like, aw. He's getting mad. I don't know. I think you're falling for J.T. I'm not. I think you can look around and see that nobody's taking him seriously. I felt bad. And he's yelling at Austin and he's the person that's supposed to have this bombshell and he knows way more about everything. And nobody cares because nobody cares what a JT has to say because they know what he's doing. He just wants Taylor. Yeah, it's just. You wanted to be

so much more and it's just not you would you would go gallivanting in Europe with JT in a heartbeat if it's a free and then you would hook up with his friend if it's a free yeah probably but if it's a free trip like I'm not hooked up with him all right can I go yeah you can come all right cool um but nothing I mean it's more the same when they everything starts going off I mean Olivia makes it very clear that Austin's a piece of shit that she doesn't believe anything they're saying and that it's also wishy-washy and I think that's why this is continuing And I think that that is a product of Taylor and Austin. Well, I think Olivia is mad that she has feelings for Austin.

I agree with that. She's very upset with herself and she has no how to process it. I agree with that. Absolutely. I think that is correct. But I think that there's so many question marks because the stories don't make sense because they're not giving enough information. If they did only make out, we need a clean timeline.

All right. And even if they gave the timeline in their minds, like now that there's so much us out there as far as like New York entered the picture. Why is nobody just sitting them down and saying, tell us the timeline? And that's getting frustrating for me too. I agree. And maybe Leva will play that part eventually. But I think that that is the conversation that's missing that would ease some people

or finally sever ties because you need that flat out. When did it start? When did you kiss? When were you sleeping over? If they were up front about all of it, then there would be some closure. But there's no closure because there's question marks. and that's what leads me to believe we're not getting the full story.

I don't know if they fucked. There's more here. I don't see any world in which that even if it's 100% true that all they did was hook up and they give you all of the details in like excruciating fashion. I'm good.

And tell you, not that much. I meant like the timeline details. I don't want anybody to get bricked up, you know? Hey, full circle. But if they were to give you all the details and give you the full timeline, I still think that people are going to look at it and say no.

We're not accepting that. We know more happened. Even if it's 100% true, and they gave you everything that you wanted. But then I would change. It's not enough for some people. JT would not be satisfied. It'll never be enough for some people. I'm saying for me as well, I'm not getting enough where I can be like, okay, I can move on.

Oh, no, I don't think that we are either. I'm just playing devil's advocate, just saying even if we had all that, I still don't think that people would accept it. I think you would get more people accepting. Definitely not the whole group. Rod and JT. will be out forever because there are cry babies. But the rest of the group, I think. think you would, you'd probably have a split decision.

You have some people on either side of the street, but you could also lead to reconciliation down the road, whereas right now it's going to continue to be this wonky roller coaster because everyone's got questions. Somebody has to play that role. Someone's got to play that role. I just hope it's somebody we can take seriously. Like, Leva would be great. Leva would be great.

If Craig sat down with him, that would be perfect. Madison at this point. Never thought I'd say that. Madison is pretty credible. Let's have her set down to it. Any of those three. Diane Sawyer. Yeah.

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But that takes us to Potomac and like I said, better episode than last week. If they continue this trend, it can be an enjoyable season, but I am very cautious, very cautious moving forward. I'm just glad that it was. entertaining. It wasn't like last week I wanted to turn it off like halfway through. This time I was like, all right, I'm vibing a little bit. Yeah, I was okay with this one, but this is what happens on trips. And they even had to point out certain times where they were having fun, like actively having fun. Yeah. And I don't like that as much, but at least they were having some fun and they were talking a little bit more. I agree with that, but we start out with more LaBea talk and this is

confusing. And there's a lot of pieces to this puzzle that, one, I don't care about, but since they keep shoving it in our face. We need some answers to it. I don't understand why LaBea was honored at the, what was it, the sip and see? It was the sip and see, which we've seen a couple times now. If you're not close to her. Apparently, Giselle was honored too, but it wasn't, if they had footage of Giselle being honored the way that LaBea was, then I'd be like, okay.

No, she put the hat on her, and sorry if I wasn't that the same correct terminology, but wasn't that the same party? yes it was but it's a different it's like what LaBea got like a speech and said that I want my kid to be like that and Giselle is just a scene of her sitting down in a chair and she got the headpiece headpiece put on yeah but yeah no LaBea had like an inspirational speech from Wendy directly yeah and Wendy's just completely playing that down by saying that Jizel was also honored which that doesn't make sense to me but I get in this weird middle ground with Wendy where I'm like I don't know if she's lying Or she just hates being wrong. Like, she cannot be wrong. She refuses to be wrong. Yeah. And like, but she twists stories.

She doesn't like flat out lie. She just changes what's going on. And it's not as impactful. It's not as serious. And you're like, but is that what happened? It's just like a, like fudging the truth, if you will.

I think what's going. And we talked about this a little bit last week. I think what Neck is just trying to accomplish is, while she's doing a little clumsy because she doesn't know how to act on a housewife show, I think she's just trying to figure out what the fuck's going on. I do, too. And you're not getting that out of Wendy, but no one else is really helping out.

They're just so confused as to what's going on. Like, you can tell from the confessionals. Ashley gets in a confessional, Candace gets in the confessional. Nobody knows what the hell's going on. Nobody knows what to make of it because no answers were actually provided. So you have to believe NECA at that point

because, again, if Lebe was honored and there's a speech and it's documented, that's weird. You can't say you don't know that person or say it's my sister's friend. You talked about her. You talked about her. Clearly, she means more to you than your

leading on, I kind of just want the whole thing to go away. NECA says it the best. We can actually, you want to lay at the bed right now? I believe NECA. I believe NECA as well. And she says it perfectly where it's like, all she has to say is, hey, moms are crazy sometimes. Like, I didn't say it.

I'm really sorry. Yeah. Move on. That's all it has to be. Because I think it's, it is deeper than that. But when it comes to Wendy, we're not going to find out why it's deeper. No, and look, like, we get the scene with her and we'll jump around a little bit because there's not a ton in this episode, but they get the same.

scene with her and Mia where when Mia the bird like flies through. I thought that was funny. I laughed. I laughed. I laughed. I laughed so hard. I was like, damn. That was good. That was really good. But Wendy takes digs at Mia all the time. What, Mia can't take a dig at you? Now the sudden that's all. Now it's super, okay. Serious. You called her, not dense. I would, Kansas said dense. Slow. You called her slow. Literally called her slow. She can't make a relevant joke about the bird watching over you guys. That she's not slow. Yeah. That's a very quick, way to say. That was funny. I'm not even that much of a Mia fan, but that was funny. That was funny. And then like Wendy gets like all on her feels and goes on this rant about like that's my mom

that she's disrespecting and it's like yeah of course like no one wants we get it talk shit about your mom but keep it focused on that and find a way forward you're so stuck on the fact and look like a lot of people have left comments and things like that about how serious of an implication this is for Nigerians and Christians as well like it's a very serious thing to claim that somebody's putting a curse on somebody and we're not trying to make light of it we're simply saying, if she did what Nekh has said and said, hey, I'm not sure really what went on here. I wasn't involved in these conversations. I don't think that my mom has a shrine. I don't think she would ever do anything like that. Maybe things just got heated and things were said.

I didn't do it. I'm really sorry. But we don't even know why, what's the conflict? I don't know. We have no idea. We've got nothing. And that's my problem. Wait, I didn't even think of that. We don't know what the issue is. Damn. Yeah. Like, we're getting nothing from any of this. That's why I just want to, I just want everybody to collectively just move on from it. And again, my issue isn't, I don't even want to talk about the implications of, you know, what it means for the Nigerian culture to go in and do the shrine thing with the cursing or whatever. None of that, completely all of that is aside. All I want to know is, why is Wendy not fighting that? She's just trying to twist, like you said, she's just twisting the situation,

twisting words, and then making light of it, but also getting her feels about. it and isn't addressing the direct issue and again we don't even know what the issue is we don't know why wendy's family doesn't like neka well no we do that was because they claim that she was using wendy to get onto the show but that would be a wendy problem yeah but then the mom apparently got involved and that was though it's clout chasing is the whole argument and i don't i don't understand the fallout that happened between ivy and le bay to begin with was this the fallout that right but my biggest thing honestly would be those two sit down and When do you go, okay, tell me what happened.

Because all we get is bits and pieces. Your mom put my mom in a shrine, claim this, claim that. Okay, when. And then we get five different phone calls and five different times and five different days. It's like, well, when? And what did they talk about? And why are you bringing this up now? And what the fuck's going on?

And sum it up. No one cares anymore. No. It's over. So squash it, figure out a way forward. It's not the end of the way. I think they are. Like, I think we're done with it.

I hope so. I hope it doesn't. I hope that when we see that. I'm vibing and kikiing and having a good time, they are able to be like, hey, it is what it is, let's move on. I respect your mom, some shit went down, and Wendy can say, I'm not sure what happened, but please don't talk shit about my mom, and then they can move forward. And I hate when the new girl comes on the show and not, and everybody doesn't immediately just like them and give them a chance. It's annoying. That bothers me.

Me too. It's like, you know, like, you don't even know this person. Like, you're claiming that you don't even know this person. Yeah, obviously there's some other circumstances that have popped up. but how about you just don't give each other a chance maybe hang out a little bit see what happens go to distillery have a little 150 proof and just move on with your lives my big thing with that is like you were a newbie at one even if it was your first season and you were on season one we're still a newcomer at that point my big thing and it like it takes me back to when I played

and most of the big leaguers were like really cool like they got along with us because like they realized you know they've been a minor leager before so they treat us like the same way that they treat the other guys it's a nice feeling when a big name treats you like a teammate. It's pretty cool. It goes a long way for the younger guys. I had two interactions, and I won't name their names, but they're people that people would know. And in the Orioles complex, in the big league spring training, there's one main hallway and all of the rooms and cafeteria are off of this hallway. It was me on one side, and this starting pitcher that pitched in the major leagues for like 14 years was a big name

at the time. Sorry, he was a reliever. And he was walking towards me, and I was walking towards him. We're like 50 yards apart. It's that awkward in between, you know, where you make eye contact but you're not close enough to say anything. So you look down and you're like, all right, when I walk by, I'm just going to think, hey, what's up, man? And, like, walk and do my thing. Because I'm not a big leaker. He is. Okay. I get close to this guy.

I look up and I'm like, hey, man. And he, no shit looks at me, goes, and just keeps walking. I was like, what the fuck? Incredible. It's like, what was that? Like, who do you think you? I don't care that you pitched in the major leagues. I don't care about you. That made me so mad.

So the big leaguer is Wendy. The big, and you're a NECA. Exactly. Okay. That's what we call big. When you big league somebody, that's what that is. That's what's going on. Yep.

You are better than that. Wendy is big leagging NECA. Yep. So all of you out there, you can use that terminology. If somebody acts like they're too cool for you, doesn't have the time of day, they're big leagin you. They're not worth your time. Move on. I will say if we move forward with this storyline, unless there's new information,

let's just not even talk about it. We won't. Let's just move on. Yeah, we have a lot of shows right now. and we don't have time. But we get to dinner, which was the first fun time we've had with this group. And all you have to do is just bring up sex talk. Usually works, yeah.

Just talk some sex. Not some stupid game that's shady or reasonable. Just talk about all sex. Yeah. Do you swallow? That's funny. Do you eat ass? That's funny.

And then I was curious, is that still in? Because that was in. Yeah, I was in for a while. Eating ass was in for a little while. I don't think so. It was like mainstream for a bit. Yeah. No, I don't think so.

I think it's kind of died down. toss and salads kind of toss and salads. Yeah, went away, yeah. But it was nice. It was so refreshing. It, like, brought energy back into me to just see them, like, laugh.

And not anybody at the table is yelling at somebody. Nobody's conspiring. Literally, every woman at the table was smiling and laughing. I was like, we need these scenes, too. And you guys need to understand that if half the group

is not talking to the other half the group, it's not going to be fun to watch. You need to be able to reconcile or these shows don't work. You can't have six women together, six people together, that don't talk to each other and put cameras in front of them because nobody's going to watch that shit.

Well, you know what we call that? What? New Jersey. That is exactly what that is. That's a good point. And everybody watches that and tells us about it. And gets mad about it. They get really mad at us. But after the dinner, they get to Wendy, after the dinner, they get to Robin's room,

And Karen and Giselle bounce, which I was surprised to see Giselle leave her friend like that and actually addresses it later. Because as we know, Robin and Candace aren't viving right now because Candice is upset that all of this stuff was brushed under the rug with Juan last year while Chris got dragged for an entire season for something he actually didn't do. There's more evidence against Juan out there in the public than there ever was against Chris. We actually have public evidence of Chris doing the exact opposite of what. he was told he was doing he's not looking at debby he's not looking at anybody not being creepy meanwhile we have videos and pictures of blonde with other women tons of rumors out there and yet you said nothing so yeah that's lying by omission while you watch somebody and like i'm not one to point fingers at other people if some shit goes on in my life even if it's

not warranted like what kansas and chris went through was not warranted at all it was bullshit we called it out all season it was awful but at the same time if you look at Juan and you look at Robin especially for Robin to not say a word and her and Kansas are supposed to be tight to not say anything and let her go through this this whole time while she's dealing with this shit and hiding it that's fucked up it is that's not cool we know it is and I just don't understand why Robin doesn't understand that part of it like we talked about this last year the entire time when she started talking about the well you know I just wanted Karen to finally bring it up and then I would talk about it like I don't get

that. None of the things that Robin is doing when it comes to Juan makes any sense. It's clear as day. You allowed Chris to get dragged last year while your supposed friend was trying to defend her husband. You could have stepped in at any time and said, stop. You have a little more leeway. You've got a little more power over the people like Giselle and Ashley that you could have stepped in and defended your friend. And you didn't. You allowed it to happen because you knew that it was going to take the eye off of you and Juan's relationship. Yep. Finally, we're not talking about, except for when Karen. walks in every single time last season.

We're not talking about when are Juan and Robin Robin going to get married. When are Juan and Rabin? Oh my God, I can't fucking say their names. Ron and Waban. Juan and Rabin. Wild Rabbit. Ron and Wobin.

When are they going to get married? When are they going to figure out what's going on? Is Juan cheating on Robin? Like, none of these things are being talked about because everybody's so focused on this fabricated storyline about Chris maybe looking at a girl while he was at the bar, which he didn't.

And we saw video evidence of that. You could have stepped in and defended her at any given time, and you didn't. and you allow that to happen, and we all know why. So Cand is calling you a fraud on a podcast. It's shady, but it's true. That's what I'm saying.

So, like, could you be upset? Yeah, totally. But can you see the middle ground at all? And look, I get it. I don't think Robin sees any middle ground. No, she doesn't. She just sees, like, her side. Yes.

But what we do get from this scene is a Candace that's ready to reconcile. I don't think we have a Robin that's ready to reconcile. style. No, it doesn't seem like we do. Because when she says that, she's wearing Robin's lipping a little bit, but I feel like this is viving. I think, yeah, Robin did not like that she had her slippers on all. Robin didn't like, and like, she's like, we should talk. Which I actually get. I understand that. Like, we're beefing right now. Don't put my slippers on. Don't put your feet in my, that's, no. But I did think that there was at least enough there for Robin to be like,

all right, we can sit down. The way that the next day goes, I don't know if we're going to get that until the tears come later, so maybe, but everybody wakes up the next day. We got a quick NECA FaceTime with Ike, and I just needed to call this one, because I forgot about the crackhead comment. Yeah. You can't even get upset at that. Like, that's such an, like, come on. Yeah, no, it means absolutely nothing.

She just wanted to throw a little hook out there just to see what would happen. Guess what? Nobody thinks you do crack. Yes. Literally nobody. It doesn't make any sense. You're a lawyer. Like, you're very put together.

It doesn't even warrant the conversation a little bit afterwards about how that's damning to somebody. If you can't, you say that out loud. It's not. No, it's not. It makes no sense. Anyway, we get the whole crew together and we're doing a little feminine activity, a little get in touch with your body, a little vagina painting. Well, we were going to. We were going to.

And when she had the little mirrors, I was like, oh, that's exactly what they're doing. And then I started because I'm an idiot and not even in a gross way. I'm just like, what's the, how do you do that? Like, do you put it on the floor? Like, while you're painting and you stand over it? I think so. Like, if we were going to do it. No, I think you would like, it's probably like kind of sit, sit on your ass and like spread

your legs and prop up the mirror. Oh, you're seeing it. And then you're painting, you've got like an easel like, no, no, my hips would be dead after a little while. But I think that's what that was. If we were going to do it, if we were going to do it, we're going to paint our balls. Paining our balls. How are we going to sit?

Just take a picture of them. That's not a selfie. That doesn't seem as intimate as the mirror, because the mirror is real time. Yeah, you're right about that. You're actively looking. I mean, I don't want to see that. I don't need to see that angle.

Don't worry about me. I'm just thinking about it now. Yeah, I can't. Me doing it, or you doing it? Both. Ew. Rod and J.T. would do it. Rod and J.T. have done it.

But anyway. But as they're getting set up for this activity, Karen flat out says, finally, which I appreciated, Robin, are you okay? Like, what's going on with you? Let's just get to the bottom of this once and for all in front of everybody, because Karen makes a really good point in saying, you confide in certain ladies in this group, and then you completely shut off the rest. And I think there's a middle ground, because obviously everyone has their besties. You're going to confide more in one person than the other. Sure. That's reasonable. But when you completely block off the other side of the group, all that's going to do is lead to speculation.

They're going to start rumors. They're going to try to figure out what's going on with you. And then you're going to take that as shit talking and talking behind your back. Yes. But we have so much out there. We need answers to it. So if you're not giving anything, you're not giving an inch, then they're going to continue to do that. You're going to continue to take it the wrong way.

And around and around we go. But the problem is, and I understand where Karen's coming from because Karen is on the other side of that. She doesn't know what's going on at all. No. She wasn't invited to. to Giselle's house to talk with who was even there, Ashley and Cherise. We're sitting there.

She wasn't invited to that, but she heard that it happened. So in her mind, yes, Robin is opening up to people. The problem is Robin's on opening up to anyone. No. Giselle doesn't even know what the hell's going on. I don't think so. Based on that conversation that she had in her house, I don't think that Giselle really knows what's going on in Robin's head. I think Robin is completely

blocking out everyone. And this is, I mean, look, it's a constructive way to get this done. It's a constructive way to get Robin to at least address something. I think that it does lead to the breakdown in the car later. Maybe, yeah. I think that we're taking baby steps here, just trying to get Robin to talk, which is, again, why I felt like this was a little bit of a better episode because she at least did speak.

I just, I completely side with Karen. I think it makes a lot of sense because that is what Robin and Giselle have always done. They've always confided in each other. Sometimes they bring in Ashley, and a lot of the other girls just get completely shut out. And it's unfair, because they just want to know what the fuck's going on. especially when, obviously, we find out at lunch, that there's a bunch of legal matters going on right now. Nobody's talking about anything.

But we need some answers because we can't be in a room with you. We can't be on a trip with you and just watch you sitting in the corner and not talking about what the fuck's going on because now you're getting mad at us for just wondering what's going on. Exactly. And I think that we're never going to get an answer from her. I don't think it's going to get to a point where she finally says, this is what's happening.

This is how I feel and this is why I'm staying with him. I don't think it's going to happen. Not this season, I don't think. I don't want to wait around for another. I know, but we might just be done with it and then move on to a different storyline and then more news will come out next year of wand cheating again. Oh, yeah, maybe. And then we'll finally get it.

I guess, like, what drives me nuts with this scene is, like, she stands up and starts yelling and deflecting, and that's all she's doing. She's not letting anybody out. She's like, ask me anything. Ask me anything. They can't because you're not being quiet. Yeah. So they can't ask you anything, which is you're doing that on purpose.

You're claiming to be an open book, but you're not actually allowing them to talk to you. But when she goes through the list of shit. that Juan does. I'm like, come on. Like, you can't watch. And I get it in the moment. Maybe she doesn't know how crazy it sounds. But watching it back, you've got to be like, oh, I look like a moron.

Yeah. Because you're like, I didn't read the DMs. Okay, didn't you want to? No. But he deletes him anyway. He cleans his phone out all the time. He deletes everything. Red flag.

If it stopped it, I didn't read the DMs, then you can kind of shade towards what I think Candice was talking about, where she said, there's a level of trust. That's what it's called. If you don't think that there's anything going on, you don't need to be going through your man's DMs like that. We know there's stuff going on. There are pictures. There is a lot of things. Other people are talking

about it. You're not even a little curious to look at those DMs? No, but even if I wanted to, they're deleted. Okay, that's even worse. Why does he do that? And though her explanation makes no sense. He deletes things all the times. He's just terrible with his phone. People call him and he doesn't even know who they are.

Like, what does that mean? He can't hear. He's bad with his phone. He deletes everything. Do you not see a pattern here? Yeah. Like, give me a fucking break, man. I also refuse to believe that he doesn't know who's calling.

He just leaves those phone numbers in there, and he knows the phone number that's calling, and it's probably one of his side girls. And he says, who's this? I don't know who this is. I'm just not going to answer this. He's a creep. Yeah. But anyway, that we get a great scene, an iconic scene, if you will, of Karen Hugar and a bonnet. And she says, this is like a polygamy sex can.

camp where no matter what Wanda, she will defend him to the ends of the earth. The only thing that she's missing is a bonnet. Good thing, Karen brought a bonnet. And that whole scene was dynamite. Perfect. Yeah, it was great. Great job, Karen. Great job, Karen.

But moving on, all the girls are going on their day trip, and we get half of the crew is boot shopping. And yeah, half is at the boot shop. They went to Tocovas, which are actually very nice boots. So that was actually a good choice. I would have rather gone boot shopping. Yeah, boot shopping. Well, yeah, me, it depends on when you ask.

me six years ago i would have gone to the distillery yeah i don't i'm well actually yeah that's fair if you ask me next week i might say distillery yeah see so it's it's all circumstantial but one thing i didn't mention from that scene and i think it sums up the entire wendy neck of feud everything just got really convoluted all the evidence has gotten mishmashed the timelines have gotten weird who did what's gotten weird the phone calls x y z you name it like nothing fits in this puzzle and i think that that's the issue now had this been a a simple conversation from the jump, had Ashley not been the one to lead off their interaction, that's what set this whole thing of fire, was Ashley, she's the problem. If you don't intro this

thing the way that you did saying that Wendy and her family is Osu or that NECA claim that they were Osu, none of this happens. I'm so happy you said that because I feel like nobody remembers that. No. Everybody's so confused about the facts and what happened and why people are even mad at each other to begin with. Because of Ashley. They forgot about that. Ashley. It's always because of actually. It happens all the time. Ashley puts these, plants these seeds, usually not very carefully. Very clumsy. And then very clumsy. And we don't even go back to the original issue, which is Ashley. Correct. But we get to lunch and again, lunch went pretty well. Everybody was happy for the most part. They were fine. We got, thank God,

that the Twitter subscription conversation started because that completely derailed what I thought was going to be a fight between Wendy and NECA because NECA's talking about her Nigerian wedding and I guess Ike is titled over there and then she makes a certain comment that I didn't know if it was a dig or not. I couldn't tell or she says some people pay for their title and I was like, are you implying that somebody in Wendy's family has? Because now I'm looking at everything. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know if that was a dig or not. But I know that Wendy's listening to everywhere that she says and she's trying to figure out if she's taking a dig or not or if everything she's saying is accurate because you can see her face. She's like the wheels are

turning upstairs, but someone says it's kind of like Twitter blue. And that starts a whole different conversation, which saves the lunch. It really did, because Karen's like, well, I'm still verified, and they're like, well, no, you're not. You paid for it. And lo and behold, she did. She pays $11. I think she did that. I think she knows she did that, too. It's Karen Hugar. Yeah, she definitely did. You're not taking my blue checkmark for me. And it's fine. Look, it's fine. If you want to, if you want to pay for it, we have made a very firm decision to never pay for a blue check mark. No way. We may be unverified forever.

Unverified bad boys. If they give us one, we will take it. We will never put one on our page. If it goes back to Twitter, I'll take it. I'm not verified on X. No, I don't care about X. But I did appreciate that we got a little bit of a Robin. I did appreciate that we got a little bit of a Michael Darby lawsuit conversation.

I didn't see this coming. Mia brings it up to the whole table trying to get more information about it. Candace takes that and inadvertently. takes a dig at Robin, and then that starts this whole thing over here. She says, let's not be dense. All right, let's not be dense, because Robin says,

this is my problem with her. This is my biggest problem with Robin, is if all this shit was going on, and she just didn't talk or didn't say stupid shit, that'd be fine. That'd be totally fine. Yeah.

But what she does is in this situation, she says, can we get a list of things we're not supposed to talk about, if we're not supposed to talk about your lawsuit? are you kidding me we're not allowed to talk about anything it's the dumbest thing ever like i was surprised that robin was the one who said that i was baffled because i i looked back up and thinking maybe somebody else said maybe karen said it or joselle like that would have been funny then we're okay robin saying it is the worst possible situation it was comical i was like

you could not be more of a glass house right now you won't let anybody talk about your shit you refuse to talk about it and you're going to say that you're going to get upset that she's not talking about the lawsuit. You need a list of topics that are off limits. I also thought that when Candace said Dents, that it was just a throwaway thing? No. Kind of talking. I didn't realize that she was actually going to have a reason for calling Robin Dense specifically.

I thought that it was just for everybody out there. Like, hey, let's not be Dents and talk about this right now. I took it as a big immediate. Because there are digs all over the place. And usually there's no rhyme or reason to Candace's digs when it's something that she needs to talk about that's personal to her life. That's what she does. She just throws out insults.

Okay, fine. I didn't realize that she was calling Robin Dents specifically for what she said in the reunion last year, which you want to just start talking about that right now? Because I have feelings, I'm not really sure. I don't think that Robin talking about it on the reunion really had any implications. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. There's not enough there.

She didn't say no. All she did was what Juan was doing, and that's proclaiming his innocence. Right. She was saying that he did everything by the book. again, if you can look at the situation... I don't think he did everything by the book. I completely believe the wand is probably guilty for whatever he did. Yeah, he's a garbage person.

Because he's a terrible person, and he's supposed to be a leader, and he's supposed to help these people, and it said he didn't, a la Joe Paterno, but this is what makes us credible, and I'm happy that you agree. I don't think the Robin talking about it on the reunion had anything to do with that.

No, no shot. She didn't say anything specifically. She was just sticking up for her husband, which, you know... I think that saw that as an opportunity to just, like, reignite that fire. Just like a reminder like, hey, I'm still mad about this.

Even though Candace was ready to smooth it over, she got a reminder of why she was not cool with her. And was like, oh, wait a minute, I'm not cool yet. Says that to Robin. And that, I do believe, also played into, I don't want to call it a breakdown, but she finally lets out some emotion in the car. She starts crying because she doesn't know what they want from her.

I think it's hysterical. Okay, fine. It was a full on breakdown. But how do you not know what they want? Just fucking explain it. Do you, like, this is where I start to think. Yeah. So twisted around because of Juan?

She has to be. Yeah. She doesn't even know what she's saying? I think so. I think that's exactly what it is. I think that she is so twisted up. She hasn't been addressing her emotions. She hasn't been confiding in anybody, which is what we were talking about, Karen earlier,

bringing into the group. She's just so stuck in herself right now with her inner monologue, probably, not able to talk about any of the things that are going on around her because, one, she doesn't want to betray Juan, weird, I don't care. Two, she probably doesn't want a lot of more heat on her, which sucks because she is getting heat, because she's not talking about it. And three, I feel like this is now just her emotions being let go. Finally, somebody pushed her over the edge. And I hope that we get something out of this.

I think that what we're going to end up getting is people kind of coming to her aid and feeling bad for her. Because at the end of the day, like, if we just look at what's going on, yes, the Candace and Chris issue aside, what's going on with Robin sucks? Juan has her so fucked up. And we're mad that she's not talking about it because we're tired of hearing about it. But if this was anybody else out there, and I'm sure there's a lot of people to go through this, that fucking blows. You need to be able to talk about it. You need to be able to vent and let it all out. I just hope that's what we get from this.

I think that why Robin is in a different space with it, why people address it differently, is because this is not new behavior for her as far as addressing issues. Right. She's not one to talk. Her and Giselle alike are not ones to talk. talk about their personal lives on these shows, which doesn't make a lot of sense. So even if it wasn't something as damning as this, something as pressing, she still avoids the topics no matter what. So I think that that's where the frustration lies, where I think we can all agree, regardless

of how we feel about Robin, the situation's terrible. I feel for her, like it's a bummer. It's really sad that she has to go through this. And if she is actually that twisted around because of Juan, it really sucks. It does. At the same time, if people are constantly addressing it, constantly trying to get you to talk about it, you're on a TV show in which you're supposed to talk about these things, and you have a pattern of not doing that for every

issue that you've encountered in your life. Yeah. That's where the problem is. Agreed. But that takes us to the question portion of the show. Let's jump right in. Up first from Nini B91. Is Tom Schwartz talking about Sheena Marie or her doppelganger from Las Vegas?

I think that's the makeout. Yeah. much about. I don't know. Probably a doppelganger? No, it's Sheena. You think so? Yeah. Okay. I think it's Sheena. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that's going to add to the story. It's an interesting tidbit. It is an interesting tidbit. I don't think it changes a whole lot, but... We've got like a month until that. I'm probably wrong about that. I know it's January 30th. Oh, okay, so longer than a month, even better. So January 30th, yeah, this is going to be great building up to that. I know. I'm excited for that. Yeah, I think

everybody is. From Airpick 33, can we talk about J.T. not making Taylor accountable for her own actions as he's making Austin? A lot of merit there. We can talk about that. If you'd like to talk about that, he's in love with Taylor and he doesn't care

what she did. That's it. Boom. From Lisa Wine Passport. Lisa's Wine Passport. Do you think Shep is jealous of Craig? Craig has a relationship and successful business and his shit together. together. Yeah, 1,000%. Yeah, I think that that is the underlying anger that we see out of

Shep when he storms off, or when Craig walks away, which again, kudos to Craig for just being like, I'm fucking out of here. And doesn't even yell back. He's like, I don't cheat on my girlfriend, buddy. Like, see you. You look like an idiot. I'm going to walk away. Meanwhile, Shep is going on a rant because, yeah, Shep, what has he done ever in his whole life? Nothing. He makes bad decisions. He has a ton of money and he lives this aristocratic lifestyle and wants to look like he's interesting and deep, but he doesn't actually do anything. Yep. That's a good point.

Thanks. Now, we haven't gotten one of these in a while from Sin Lou. Boink, Mary, Kill, Shep, Whitney, Austin. Oh, um, hmm. It's tough. Boink, Boink Austin, marry Whitney, kill Shep. I'm going to kill Whitney. Okay.

I'm going to anger bang, Shep. Okay. And I'll marry Austin. No, wait. Whoa. Now who's under Austin's power? No, because I forgot about one very big thing. I'm going to marry Whitney because I need some of that sweet, sweet South Carolina money.

Yep. I am going to kill Shep and boink, Austin. So you just came back to my answer? I guess so. from not Courtney stage i need to know how hard steal through his notebook when robin said wan clears his phone uh it's broken i broke my notebook did you throw your notebook in that book no i didn't i just it's gotten to a point now where it's like utter disbelief yeah that i give more of like a sigh with like a like a book drop muck well i also knew that was coming they shouldn't have put

that in the trailer for next week no they shouldn't have but uh yeah no didn't throw it but had an exasperated oh god yeah um drag let's do two more if you could host this is from mike oh i want to say it's mike b ross but it reads as mike bros mike bros mike bros what's up bro if you could host the ross lick reunion what would one question be that you would ask the cast oh i mean that's a really good question where Did all of you get your money? Break it down. And they have to actually give us answers to this question.

Tell me exactly where you've gotten your money. Which of you did something shady, borderline illegal for Jen Shaw? Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah. But you have to answer. You have to answer. That's the whole point. Yeah.

You have to answer. I like that. Yeah. Last one. Oh, interesting perspective. From Journey 7526, why is it okay for Karen to Bull? bully Robin, and it's called comedy. I don't think Karen was bullying Robin.

I don't know. Is that the bonnet scene? It could be the bonnet scene. You can point to a couple of scenes as quote-unquote bullying, but I think that the whole group looks at Karen way differently than they look at each other. I agree with that. So I think that Karen has done this behavior over and over, and now it's just okay. I agree. I also think that at the end of the day, and you could disagree with me here, but I do believe that Karen genuinely cares about the women in this group and their well-being.

I think it comes off a little clumsy sometimes. But I think in her heart of heart, she genuinely cares about this crew and whoever she's associated with. I think that's whoever she's associated with. I think that's what she wants. So I don't think that she's bullying more so as like maybe razzing, maybe trying to garner a response. I think that's more so what she's doing, yeah. But interesting perspective. I haven't heard that one. Thanks, Journey.

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