Bros & Shows - WE DO NOT STAN JESSE AND CIARA! #TeamWest (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

What's up Bros? What a whacky episode... Jesse and Ciara have obviously been flirting but it takes a different turn... To the point that Jesse asks West if he would be cool with Jesse making out with Ciara. We stand with West! Kyle and Amanda have a bit of a better vibe but tensions are clearly still high. The newbies are doing great but will the house be turned on its head by Jesse and Ciara? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I knew this was happening. Everyone else is like, oh, it's cute. They're just joking around. I saw it coming a mile away. Dang it. I want to take everything I said back. The first couple episodes of this season, I was just enjoying where we were,

having no problems, and now I'm fucking pissed. This episode pissed me off beyond belief. I hated every second of this. This was like just fucking, I don't know. I just, we need to talk about it.

so I can get through everything because I've got too many negative emotions right now. Yeah, let's decompress. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma.

And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm a co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Jesse Guterman. I fucking knew that you were going to do this shit. I fucking knew it right up front.

I knew it. I was going to stop you. I didn't want to stop you. I didn't want to be mean just in case you were going to be cool about this. Fuck off. Like, fuck Jesse. Fuck this whole show. I knew he was going to do this.

I knew he was going to fucking do this. This was awful. This was downright awful to watch. I fucking hated every goddamn second of it. We could have been crucifying him for seven episodes. And instead he does this shit. And we have to wait and play nice for six episodes until we get to here. I don't even know what episode we're on.

I'm so angry. We have to wait the whole goddamn time and make excuses and say, oh, dude, maybe we know what he's doing. He's taking a step back. He doesn't want to be a dick. He doesn't want people to hate him. What the fuck? And by the way, Sierra,

and I'm probably going to get crucified for this. Sierra, what the fuck are you doing? Like, what the fuck is this? What is going on? I hate this so much. I feel bad for West. The rest of the boys,

Thank God we've got normal dudes in the fucking house. Even Kyle Cook, who is ruining his fucking marriage, has better sense of the situation than this fucking idiot. I can't believe this. This was unbelievable. Oh, man. We don't get a lot of shooter rants, but that's why they make it so much better.

When I get a good shooter rant, it's like a warm cup of coffee. It feels so good. But yeah, dude, I would like you to go back and amend that and stop saying we. I did not. I was not making excuses. I was agreeing like,

okay, let's wait and see. I'll try not to get ahead of myself. But I saw this coming. I felt it. I knew it. It's confirmation because a big thing you were saying was because season one, he had a good showing.

Last season was obviously terrible. So you were under the impression, step back. We're going to really get to know who Jesse is. Like this was the, let's get to know Jesse season. this is who he is. He's an asshole.

He's a bad friend and he's a dirtbag for a lot of reasons. And I'm going to get into the specifics because obviously there's a world in which, you know, him and Sierra weirdly hit it off. Right. And now they're like, oh, my God, is there something here? That's not out of the realm of possibility. That's not what we're watching. That's not what I'm seeing. And that's why I will not, cannot, and vote, cosign this bastardization of a relationship.

I don't understand. It made me uncomfortable. Genuinely, I was Mia in that bed rolling my eyes. Like, what is happening right now? How is this happening right now? And as you said, thank God for KJ, for Kyle, shockingly, for Ben. Ben had the correct level of what the fuck. I think he was like the most like, whoa, what?

So I'm glad that we have some sensible gents in this house because this is a breach of man code. This is a breach of friend code. This is a breach of so many things. And the worst part is his reaction to all of it, I think, at the end. So we'll jump in and obviously give you guys our two cents as we truck along here. But, yeah, I mean, talk about just a plummet from a stellar season thus far to this. And I was like, no, the entire episode, I was audibly just saying, no.

Like, I don't want them, I want them to have as much fun as possible. I want them to continue to go out. I want them to not really worry about the Amanda Kyle stuff that's going on because obviously that is possibly going to ruin the whole house. And they've been doing a great job at staying out of it. They've been doing a great job and not letting it affect them. This can actually ruin everything in the house. This can blow up.

I want everybody and it seems like everybody's on West Side. And I know what's going to happen in the week after all of a sudden. And again, look, it's 90% 10%. It's 90% Jesse 10% Sierra. It might be a little. Yeah, okay. Maybe I'm treading very carefully because a lot of people come after us for going after Sierra.

I don't understand how you can watch this and not be like, oh, yeah, Sierra is not culpable. She didn't do anything. She's not doing anything to help out this. Just she is. Like I don't think, I do think he would be uncomfortably flirting with her. I do think he would make a lot of weird comments. I do think that he would push the boundaries. And it would be tough to watch.

If Sierra had put her foot down and she wasn't leaning into it as much, it would be 100% just Jesse and it's like okay dude like fuck off get the hell out of here but she is flirting back and she's doing so much more than that like we've seen the little flirty banter cuddling in bed next to Mia like make me throw up in my mouth one more goddamn time and I swear to god I'm going to throw my shoe at the TV what the fuck are we watching like I don't get it and anybody who's going to sit there and be like well you know Sierra did get burned by west so she did no fuck off like I think it's like Sierra even posted this a couple of weeks ago And she was talking about Sally because Sally was talking about like hooking up with Kyle potentially.

And look, we've got our issues with Sally. This isn't a Southern Charm episode. We'll go further into that with our Southern Charm episode later. But for this, Sierra comment on that said, girls who move weird, irk me. You're moving fucking weird, you weirdo. Like what the fuck kind of irony is that? Like what kind of hypocrisy are we watching right now? You don't get to sit there and be like, oh, yeah, girls who move weird or weird.

You're flirting with and cuddling with the guy who, yes, hurt your feelings, but you're flirting with his best friend right in front of them and in front of the whole house. Everybody thinks that that's weird. It's a bizarre way to do this. So I don't give a fuck. I don't care if people are going to try to defend Sierra for all of this. It's just, it's almost just as much her fault. It's still way more Jesse's fault, but it's almost just as much her fault. Yeah. And, you know, I was talking to Dev before this episode and we watched it together. She was under the impression up until this episode that this was intentional.

Sierra was flirting with Jesse to be like, fuck you, West, like just to kind of, not in a negative way, but kind of get a rise out of him, maybe push him forward a little bit, see where their relationship can go. If that was the premise,

like, cool. I actually don't mind that. I have no problem with that. Yeah, that's a great move. And maybe that's how this started and then it started to snowball from there. I don't know. But when,

I'll save it. I'll save it because we have to start. We have to get into this because there's a lot to break down. So let's just wake up. All right. Breakfast casserole. Hell yeah.

We love to see it. Very Midwest, as KJ says. This is a very Midwestern dish. Did you see West posting all week about it? Like, I really hope this makes the final cut. I guess he's done this three times now for every season that he's been there at least once.

It's always the same weekend for some weird reason. He didn't really go into like what it is. Is it an anniversary of casserole? I don't know. Is there some sort of holiday back home in Missouri that we don't know about? Maybe fine. But it finally. made the cut and I was very happy for him, even though it seems like it took a long time to make.

Everybody else was getting very hungry, but it turned out great. Yes, it did look like a little sloppy, but, you know, we like them extra sloppy here. Yeah. Well, they never look stellar. It's always like a beige color. No, you know, it's all the same color, but they usually taste good. Like, if you just throw the right thing, it's cheese, sausage, bacon, hash browns, like biscuits and gravy, like what's not the like? Yeah. Although the peppers usually rub me the wrong way. Like if I'm drinking and then I wake up the next morning. I don't like peppers in my omelet. I don't like peppers in whatever this casserole is.

If I'm drinking the night before and I wake up and I have that, I'm good with all of the other things listed. Throw some bacon in there, throw some hash browns, whatever you want, just coat my stomach with all the grease. The peppers, for whatever weird reason, just don't sit well. I agree. On paper, it makes sense, right? Like something a little bright to kind of cut through all the fat and everything.

Yeah. But they never land right. It's always like you get one and it's kind of like sloth. me and you're like, I don't really want a fucking pepper right now. I just want like the bacon and the cheese. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't, I'm not a same with onions. I don't throw onions in there either. Some people like to do that. When people put onions in their sausage gravy, like that is blasphemous. Please don't do that. A lot of people do that and I can't stand it. Unless they're chopped very finely and they basically liquefy. Then it's okay. If you grate them,

you can grate them in and then you get them to actually liquefy. That's okay. Because you get that sharpness of it. But do not dice onion. and put them in your gravy. That's why I agree. Yeah. Anywho, let's get back to business. So Mia is just climbing the ranks. So the blue cheese and the clutch. Fucking hilarious.

Fucking great. Awesome. Unbelievable relatable moment too because she's still trying to, look, everybody already likes her. Everybody's already talking about how much they like her. But she's still trying to do something to be like, hey, guys, yeah, I might have a boyfriend. I'm not going to be part of the single crew.

There's enough single people in the house. I have no problem with her dating a guy and talking about it. But showing up and doing random shit like this for the rest of the crew and then waking up the next morning with blue trees crumbles in your clutch, fucking fun. That's a good time. It's a great move, very relatable, as you said,

and it's a veteran move, you know, bringing something like I've woken up many a days with things in my pocket that should not be in my pocket, some kind of food item. Like Lizzie. Yeah, I've had a hot,

half-eaten hot dog in my pocket. That's actually not a lie. Anyway, now we get to the new bed bugs. which Jesse, Sierra, and Amanda with Mia filling in occasionally because she's sleeping in the same room as Sierra. But Mia, again, great aura, love, love everything I'm getting out of her. But Jesse and Sierra, now it takes on a, this is how I felt about it the whole season, but I was trying to. Banana.

This is how I felt about it all season, but I was trying to lean into like, okay, they are fun, like they have a good banter. Maybe that's all it is. It's starting to feel different. They're starting to get closer. They're not cuddling in this scene yet, but they're like snuggling and just the baby talk is outrageous. It makes me cringe so hard. But here's the first confirmation of what I was thinking. We go to a confessional.

And Jesse's like, everybody knows I'm ready to settle down. West, he's just chilling. I'm like, you didn't. You didn't just put it out there into the ether like that. You did not just say that. for so many reasons. One, Lexi last year, in-house dating, in-house anything. We've done this before.

You've done this before. It almost kicked you off the show, basically, because you've got so much backlash in the off-season. Two, West is your best friend. You have been his ear to talk through all of this. You know how down he was last season. You know how excited he is this season that him and Sierra hitting it off again. What are you doing?

this is this goes beyond man code it goes beyond friend code this is a stab in the back but he's looking him in the eye while he's doing it this is wild yeah this episode makes everything that he's done thus far this season super fucked up like now we know how you're moving we understand what your plans were i mistook that as we're going to take a step back and i'm just going to kind of feel that void i'm going to feel yeah i was being optimistic for my own fucking well-being look how far that got me but he was doing the things of like all right yeah you're going to feel that void, whatever. If you enjoy gossiping with the girls in bed, like, who doesn't love to do that every once in

a while? Like decompressed, debrief about the night before, have a little fun and then get the fuck out of there because you are not one of the girls in bed. But you still are welcome to do that. That's okay. The way he moves fucking creeps me out. I just don't like it. Like everything up until now, I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt, watching

this episode. It's like, no, you decided episode one, you're going to fill that void. You're going to be like, hey, I know you guys lost page. Let me get in there. Let me just do this. No, it's because you're creeping on scene. I'm actually going to take a step further because when we're sitting at breakfast and you know where Amanda and Kyle are, Amanda gets up and you go over and her and say, hey, can we just go like lay in bed and talk

about this whole thing? It might be a move to get back to Sierra so that you can keep doing this. I'm going to say, you're flirting with Amanda now because you're a fucking creep. That's where I think he is now. That's where I've just completely ripped the fucking cover off of this whole thing. I'm done with it. It's just bizarre. The way he moves is fucking weird. It's pretty much that scene in step brothers with Seth Rogan where it's like yeah now actually you know what the suits the tuxedos are kind of fucked up now everything he's done up until now that i've given him a pass for i'm looking back and i'm like now everything you've been doing is completely fucked up you're a weirdo exactly i mean it paints everything in a different light again i had that feeling as i was watching it earlier

but i figured maybe i'm just a little bit biased i don't know because i'm so sick of the the in-house drama when two people in the house hook up that i was like all right maybe they're just being fun, flirty, whatever. But yeah, it paints everything differently. Now it shows you who this guy is. All those funny, joky scenes before we're like, oh, all the other is being cute, he's not being cute. He's making moves.

He's trying to get in there. And his comment at the end of the episode to West where it's like, I mean, it makes it weird, but it's not going to keep me from doing it. That tells you exactly who this dude is. He is willing to go over that line if he gets some ass because he doesn't care. The other thing that is so important about this whole thing for anyone that's trying to defend the Jesse. Sierra thing. Notice what he says when he talks about her. She's so hot. She's so hot. It always

starts with she's so hot. It's never, I love our conversations together. I love our rapport. It's so fun that I'm so comfortable with her that we can just sit there for hours and just be with each other. Like, I've never had that before. There's a way to paint this in a way. You're still going to be an asshole because you're fucking lessover, but there's a different way to you I can give you a perfect example. Go over to Southern Charmin. Look at how Charlie's moving with Craig. Like be more secretive about it or at the very least.

Just have some fucking class about the whole thing. Have some respect. Like I understand and we've talked about this before. Reality TV is a very weird place. Shared living is a very weird place in the Hamptons. You guys are all very good looking people. Things are going to get weird. There's going to be some boundaries that are crossed.

But there's ways to do it, especially when your friends are involved and your friends feelings are involved where you're not going to come out looking like a complete and utter piece of shit. And he just tried every single fucking turn to be a complete and utter piece of shit. Like that's all he's doing. Everything that he's doing. He's dismissing everything else. He's acting like everything's okay. And he's going to turn the tables and be like, I don't really get it. Like it's been a couple of years. Like I feel like at this point it's okay. Like you guys are back to a good place. Like he's going to gaslight his friends so that he can try to hook up with somebody else. The only little silver lining that I have is maybe what happened is

what you said and what Dev said, I guess, is what Sierra was doing, flirting with Jesse, just to try to get a little bit of a rise out of West. It went a little too far. So maybe it's not the end of the world there. And she got a little out of hand. Okay, fine. But once she finds out that he's talking to the other guys in the house about hooking up with her, maybe that'll be like an absolute fuck you, get out of my face. And maybe I'm going to hold on to that. I don't think it's going to be that bad. but I'm going to hold on to the fact that maybe he gets whacked. Okay. I don't think so based on scenes from next week where she's like,

oh, it's a joke. I'm like, oh, no, oh, God, no, you're leaning into it. Hopefully it's more like, oh, you think making out with me would be a joke, and then he gets whacked. I don't know. I'm just holding out any fucking, I'm grasping any sliver of hope that I can find. I mean, the other side of this thing is the fact that it's West that he's doing it to, West who is extraordinarily non-confrontational.

He doesn't want to have shit with you, Jesse. So he's going to try to look the other way. And you know that. So you're taking advantage of it. He's taking advantage of his friend's chill demeanor. That's fucked up because he knows damn well. West isn't going to clock him on this. West is going to go to the other guys and be like,

you guys think this is weird too, right? He's going to try to get some support. But when push comes to shove, he's not going to sit there and ream you out for this. And you know that. So you're taking advantage of this entire situation to move in. It's weird. It's weird.

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a singles Valentine's Day type of party, even though, you know, it's July. But, whatever. He's fine. I don't think that Ben needs any help at all. And we get immediate confirmation too because Levi says that she saw Ben on Raya and immediately liked him and he didn't like her back. There you go. It's a little sad, but it's also kind of funny because again, it shows me what kind of guy Ben is. He's not going to money the water's in the house. He wants to move on with somebody else. He seems like a very stand-up guy. I really like Benjamin. He's really winning me over. And I mean, what a hunk we can all agree it's a handsome fella but kyle and amanda are talking in the closet and it's just it's so funny because like you can copy and paste this scene in every episode

that we've seen this season i'm sorry for yesterday you know i don't think i'm good and like the thing is when we talk about this like yeah we give kyle a lot of shit again i don't think Kyle's a bad person. And I do think he's going through some shit right now. And I think that we can at least acknowledge that I do think he's struggling. And that can be separate from how he's treating his wife. But the root cause and like the root of all of this is he's still trying to find ways to wiggle out. And you know that because this sentence right here is a setup to try to get out of it.

These last two nights is the drunkest I've been in a year because he's trying to set the bar. Okay. He's trying to say he wants Amanda to agree with him there because it vindicates behavior from the past. I know it seems trivial. I know it seems dumb. It's a very common move. Hey, the last two were the worst though, right? So like everything else, we can kind of just, you can be mad at me about last night, but not every other night is what he's attempting to do. Amanda immediately, she's like, okay, well, that's not true, but whatever. And, you know, you seem to blame me for everything, but you have so much other shit going on. his line that he wants to this hill he wants to die on is you never ask about it you don't care and you don't have a clue i just don't believe that i don't believe that she doesn't ask and her response to him of when i have things going on i tell you i don't wait for you to ask me i tell you immediately there's there's some weight there like i'm like yeah that makes a lot of sense and also i just don't see a world in which amanda's like completely cold shouldering you maybe she's not asking you in the way you want maybe she's not picking up the signals from you that like hey

i need you right now but why would she because you don't say it no i don't really understand this like the best that i can do is kyle is so in his head like i do i believe that he's going through some shit it's called a midlife crisis that's what he's going through he's not ready to take that next step in his life most times when you're talking about a midlife crisis it's we've had kids our kids are teenagers. I'm in my 40s. Fuck. I don't know what to do. I wish I was younger. I had a really like brief glimpse into what it would be like. If I didn't have kids, I'm going to go out and buy a sports car.

Instead, he's 43 and still doesn't have children. He's not ready to take that next step. And if you're 43 and I'm not going to tell you how to live. But if you're 43 and you're married and you've been married for four years, you've been with your girlfriend or with your wife for eight or nine years at this point. And you're still not ready to take that step. Like, I'm sure. Yeah. In his mind, it's crushing. He doesn't know what to do. He feels immobilized. He's doing what he knows best, which is going out, DJing, drinking, having a good time and being social. But in his mind, he doesn't understand because he's so guilt-ridden, I would imagine, that it's like, I really want

you to ask me what's going on so I can tell you. And he doesn't take that next step of being like, yeah, I'm just going to tell you how everything's going. Or maybe he tried to do that a couple of times early on. And he's like, yeah, you know, Vancouver was really cool. And my DJ set and we had like 800 people and it was the best time ever. And Amanda's like, cool, I've been at home with the fucking dogs, not doing anything because my husband is across the fucking country in a different country doing something else that I told him not to do. So of course, yeah, there's going to be some dismissive attitudes when it comes to that.

But immediately he's like, well, she's not asking, then I guess she doesn't really care what's going on in my life. It's like, no, no, no, no. She really cares what's going on in your life in a very negative way. That's the difference. Yeah. And she's not going to sit there and placate you by bringing those things. up. Like she doesn't want to talk about it. It's just

Amanda off and she doesn't want to deal with that attitude. Exactly. Like, why would she ask you about stuff that she has directly asked you not to do? That's the other part of this whole thing. It's so damn frustrating. I know we talk about it a lot. But amidst all of this, quote, unquote, trying to figure it out, trying

to, you know, turn a corner, as he says in the closet, you haven't changed anything, Kyle. You've had these conversations. You've brought all these things up, but your behavior, actions speak louder than all of it. You're still out to for in the morning. You're still blacked out. You're doing it every weekend. You're DJing all these events. Nothing has changed on your end. But the way you're speaking is as though you've made these

adjustments and Amanda's not getting on board. You haven't changed anything. You just continue to go down this path of I'm playing Hurt Puppy Dog to try to get Amanda to just agree with you to assimilate into this idea that you have of what your marriage looks like. She's not doing that. She's made it very clear. So if you want to stay together, change or try to change. If you don't, that makes more sense. You can go live this lifestyle and no one will give you shit for it if you don't drag your wife along in the process.

That's the issue. And let's just call a spade a spade right now. When Amanda said this and she said this last week or the week prior, I'm not exactly sure when, but she did say, which we all knew, Kyle used the summer house. He used the Hampton Summers as a way for him to just escape into getting blackout drunk every single weekend and it was his time to shine. I mean, how many times have we seen the clip of him saying, summer's supposed to be fun? That's the attitude that he's had going into every summer. And I'm sure it really kind of wore down on her. He's expanded that into the whole

goddamn year by this whole DJ business bullshit. So now it's not just isolated to the summer where they have nine months of the year where it's like, okay, I'm running the business. I'm trying to, quote unquote, trying to work on my marriage and work on my relationship and do things. And yeah, we would hear certain things coming out of the woodworks where Amanda would reference something like, yeah, back in March, he was out until 4 a.m. I just want him to cut that shit out. Like, I don't understand why he still does that. But it was few and far between. Like, a lot of their issues were internal within their marriage where they weren't agreeing on things. But now it's focused completely on what he's doing socially and going out and drinking. And instead of continuing to just isolate that

to the summer and have that be an issue. And he could look and say, look, I haven't really changed at all. like this is who I am and we haven't really moved forward on the other things. Instead, you have changed and it's worse because you've now expanded that summer into your fucking career. Like yeah, you're still running lover boy, but your other career is just pulling apart and going out every single fucking weekend and getting drunk. But you're saying, oh, well, I'm out doing business and I'm making money for our family and I'm trying to keep things afloat. And this is the only way I know how to do that. Like, no, there's all excuses in there. And you've expanded your social aspect of your life instead of working on your marriage.

So it's just tough to watch at this point. Yep, I agree. But let's get back to the city to our singles party. And, you know, West admits like, yeah, I said it's for Ben, but this is, this is honestly just for me. But everybody arrives and, you know, Bailey's mixing it up. She's trying to get her confidence back. She's trying to get her groove back.

You know, her ex really fucked her up. He said horrible things to her that she was ugly, that she was. was fat that like all the negative things you can say to a person and it broke her down now she has no confidence she doesn't think she knows how to flirt she looks at ben and just thinks like oh that i can't achieve him like i can't he's on a different level no he's not go get your australian man you can do that i love bailey i think she's a great addition to this show i'm curious about levi we haven't really gotten much yeah i want to see more from levi i don't know if she's just a little bit more you know well-mannered if you want to put it that way where she's

She's not outspoken about certain things. I think she'll get there, though. I think she's an enjoyable presence. It doesn't seem like anybody's like, she's not Bailey from last year where it's like, who the fuck are you? What are you doing? She's just kind of floating by, which is okay.

I mean, you've got four newbies, five newbies. Jesus Christ, yeah. You've got five newbies in the house. So it's okay to kind of float in the background. Just have some moments here and there. I want to see a little bit more from her. I agree with you. I do have a question.

And Dev brought it to my attention. Given this episode with Jesse, when he makes these comments about Carl, is he just being like funny, like taking a little dig as a friend? Or is he actually like making fun of him because he said multiple things along the lines of, oh yeah,

it's the self-proclaimed summer of Carl and like things like that. Is that in jest or is he like this guy's a loser? I think it's in jest. I will say it's getting more and more apparent. He's not that close with the guys in the house anymore. Like last year, the year before he would ride up with them all the time i mean the whole beast thing was you know that was the first year you don't really see jesse interacting as much with the guys as he has in the past

and i do wonder if that's well i mean i it's yeah he's spending a lot of his time just trying to hit on sierra the entire time but there's also just a noticeable rift and i don't know if it's like yeah dude last year fucking sucked and yeah the girls had your back but like we don't really commends that behavior. So we're just kind of moving away. And it seems like West is really ingratiated with Kyle, with Carl, with everybody else. Like everybody else is having a great time. But Jesse's just kind of, yeah, he's spending a lot of his time with Sierra and the

girls. But there is some sort of noticeable rift that I'm just trying to keep an eye on where it doesn't seem like he's that close with the guys anymore. I wonder if there's more to that story. Maybe something went down in the off season. I would be surprised because like, I mean, these guys, yeah, we've watched them for years and years, but like, they can notice when a dude has shitty behavior. I mean, if you want to go back to when Austin and Craig used to come up all the time,

when Austin and Lindsay and Sierra and all of that shit, like a lot of the guys that were in the house, like Carl, Kyle, they all looked at that and were like, what the fuck is Austin doing? Like, I don't understand what kind of behavior this is. Like, yeah, they've had shitty behavior in the past, but they've gotten to a point where they can at least identify it in other dude. So I wouldn't be surprised if we thought it was super weird that Paige, Sierra, Amanda, all kind came to Jesse's defense against Lexi last year, but the guys didn't. So I do wonder if they were like, yeah, you know, it caused a really big issue in the

house. We're not really cool with that. I don't really like what Jesse's doing. And he hasn't really changed a whole lot. So maybe they're kind of just distancing themselves. It's just something I'm going to keep my eye on. Yeah, I think there's merit to that. I think we'll see where that one goes.

But yeah, I could definitely see that being part of it. Now, with Lindsay arriving, it was so nice to see Lindsay. damn glad she was back for this episode. She's just so good, like, immediately. She just picks up right where she left off. But, you know, Carl's trying to figure out still. He's like, I don't really know. Like, yeah, it's weird because like, do I say hi?

Do I wait for it to happen organically? Do I hug her? Do I not hug her? I'm just going to go with the flow. And I think that's the best way to do it, Carl, because Lindsay's going to pretend like she doesn't care at all as we see. Like, I don't even think about Carl. Yet we get about three or four little digs at Carl throughout the day,

which is fine. and it's not like she's being rude. It's just funny because it's like, well, you're commenting on his green slides out of nowhere. Yeah. It's curious, I suppose. It is curious, yeah. And honestly, yeah, I would say that most viewers are probably in the same boat.

Kind of completely forgot about Lindsay and Carl, to be honest. Yeah, same. I agree. With Lindsay, like having a baby, she's got the whole thing with Turner. You're like, yeah, they're not together anymore. She's spending less time in the house. She wasn't in the house a whole lot last year. the whole Lindsay Carl thing just kind of faded away for me and I didn't remember it. So when they start talking about it and obviously it's usually in confessionals or somebody

will bring it up and you know when we talk to Ben later it's funny. But when they bring it up on the show, I'm like, oh yeah, I wonder how that is. Yeah, it's probably still a little weird, I guess. It hasn't been that long. Yeah, I'm sure it's a little strange, but I think they've both moved on with their lives. So I don't think there's much more to it than that. But I will say Lindsay looks great, looks fantastic, especially I think she had that maybe not that long ago, so good for her.

But anywho, Mia steps up and gives a great toast. I love this. I love that she's like, hey, hey, hey, this is a singles party. You know, you know each other. You know each other. Like, you know, fuck up. Let's go mingle everybody. This is what this party's about.

That was great. And we meet Dara, who I'm assuming is going to be back just because we cut to her so many times. That's somebody that West used to hook up with a few years ago. As we know, because West has talked about it throughout his tenure on the show. Based on the clips from next week or the week after, she seems to be in a little bit of a love triangle with KJ and Ben. So that's going to be interesting to watch. Yeah, I like that.

I had the same thought that you did, though. I'm like, why are they spending so much time on this girl? I know that it's kind of funny because it does shine a spotlight on West and what he does. Because he's like, yeah, you know, we used to hook up. We kind of dated a little bit here and there. But no, yeah, we're just friends. We're, you know, and I don't understand. I love this line of thinking because.

It truly doesn't make any sense, and it's okay if it makes sense to you. I don't think it's that big of a deal. But yeah, I don't understand people that just don't like their exes and can't be around their exes. Like all of my exes are hot. They're fun. They're a great time. I want to be friends with them. It's like, yeah, yeah, all right.

Yeah, see how that works out. Sure. It's not working out super well with Sierra, but yeah, sure. Yeah, it's turning a corner. So is that the, that's the timeline, kind of date, things fall apart, hates you for a year, indignant for a year, friends in two years. So after three years, your friends question mark? I don't know.

But you've heard of the Rizzler. West is the fizzler. That's what they call. Anyway, Lindsay and Ben hit it off. No surprise there. I figured that that was going to happen, at least the flirting angle of that whole thing. It makes sense to me.

And, you know, two beautiful people. Ben seems like a good dude. I think Lindsay's probably going to explore that. a little bit. We'll see if anything comes of it. But I love the ladies trying to hype Bailey up a little bit. Be like, no, get out there. You got this. And she's like, and this is when she tells

her a story about her ex and that she's extremely afraid of men now. And she's like, I'm well aware that I'm fully fucked up. And I was like, the self-awareness goes so far with us. So just keep doing what you're doing. You'll be fine. Now, Amanda and West have a quick convo. They talk about Dara,

obviously, a couple of Kyle things here and there. But the main topic is Sierra and what's going on with that and in a confessional this tells me a lot about his feelings about Sierra because he's like you know I don't want to fuck around and fuck with Sierra's feelings and emotions I'm trying to be respectful of the house you know I don't even want Dara to fuck that up and I was like oh you're still in love with Sierra yeah that's what I get yeah I mean we've we've seen the way he's been moving he's been walking on eggshells I mean last year the entire summer.

If he ever hooked up with somebody, he would always go to their house, spend the night, and then he would have excuses saying he was staying in a friend's house. He was trying really hard not to ruffle any feathers when he came to Sierra. Now this is the second summer. So you should be able to move a little bit more freely, but he doesn't want to fucking test it. And that's what I'm getting, which it's gone from, yeah, I don't want to test it because I don't want to be disrespectful to Sierra.

I don't want her to hate me. I'm not really sure. This summer's different. This summer isn't still what it was last summer where it's like, yeah, I don't want to be disrespectful. It's, I want to leave that door open in case here it gives me another chance. Then I'll be okay. I don't think it's as much like, yeah, you know, I don't want her to have any comments or see me doing anything over here and just maybe make things a little bit weird. It's way more of a, I want to leave the door open and I don't want her to think that I'm hooking

up with anybody. And I don't want her to think that me and Dara are hooking up. Yep, exactly. I think that's exactly it. Now let's get back to the summer house. We're back in the, oh, before we get back to the summer house, back up in the Hamptons, I want to talk to you guys real quick about Robody. And maybe you've heard about GLP ones. Maybe you've got friends or family that are trying GLP ones for the first time. I would urge you right away if you're thinking about starting your GLP1 journey to go over to Robody. Because I know that if I needed GLP ones, I would turn right to Robody because Roe offers the first FDA approved GLP1 pill for weight loss at the lowest cost around. So maybe you're afraid of the needle.

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I don't know. Maybe he was in Canada. I thought he was in New Hampshire. I thought he was in Vermont. Vermont. He did that whole winter house bullshit. Yeah, I don't know. He's up north somewhere and he drives back.

He gets to the house. He's doing a DJ gig in the Hamptons tonight. A little frustrated that Amanda didn't go to the family reunion. He had a DJ gig, 800 people, this, that, the other. I don't think she went because, again, like, when you're DJing, she's solo. And I think that at this point, she's seen you DJ and she doesn't like that you're doing it. So, like, it makes sense to me that she's not going. but it's also, if I had to guess at this point,

he's starting to see the writing on the wall and be like, okay, she's not doing anything with me anymore. Like, this is going down quickly. But he's working on his beats at the table. Lindsay arrived. She's there for the weekend. You know, that's where you get her talking about Carl, being like, I don't even think about this guy anymore.

I don't give a fuck. Okay, that's fine. But Amanda's sick. so she's probably not going to make it to Kyle's DJ gig, but she comes in with a good attitude. She's hugging Kyle. She goes to a confessional. Look, if we're going to be able to move forward,

I've got to try to focus on the positive. She's asking about his DJ stuff. So here, here is a perfect example, Kyle, of her making the effort. What you say she does not do. She heard you, doesn't necessarily agree with you, but for the sake of your marriage and potentially moving forward, she bites the bullet and asks you about it.

What have you done? Because tonight, after she does this for you, you're going to come home at 4 in the morning, hammered. Yeah, I think I've been looking more into who he comes back with. He came back with a lot of people at 4 a.m., so it's not the end of the world. And he did know that he wasn't going on until, what, 1130 or something, the DJ set was like two hours long, plus clean up.

I'm okay with it, honestly. and Amanda didn't even end up going out. But it doesn't mean that he's doing everything else that he should be doing. Like, I do think if he was doing everything else that he should be doing, if he was doing the DJ thing and coming home without drinking, coming home right afterwards, being some sort of, you know, a good person, a good husband, I guess you could say, I don't know, whatever. But if he was doing all of those things and then he had a DJ set in the Hamptons,

Amanda was sick. He came back with the boys, like a majority of the group at 4 a.m. I think it would be okay. So I'm all right with this one. This one's a bit of a standalone. It doesn't seem like Amanda had too much of an issue. But he's not doing everything else. And this is the first time that we've seen Amanda kind of match that where she's like,

yeah, you know what? I'm going to ask about how everything went. Because I think deep down, she probably does feel bad. I mean, there's a family reunion. But like you said, the writing's on the wall. Once she starts doing the things of like, yeah, I'm not going to show up for you in the Hamptons, but I'm also not going to show up for your family reunion. Like I'm also extending that to the rest of your family.

That's where it gets a little dicey. So yeah, I agree with you. Yep, exactly. Now, outside, you have another crew chit chatting a little bit. And to all, because I saw this, I went on Twitter and was like looking around at the responses from this episode. And people are saying things like, you know, Sears was trying to like have fun with her friend. And Jesse's taking it too far. Stop because she goes and sits on the armrest next to Jesse and stuggles into him.

there's a chair open as Jesse points out West is sitting across from them that's where death's theory comes into play where it's like all right maybe she's just trying to fuck with west a little bit which again that would be fine no issues there but you can't say that she's not giving into this weird Jesse situation too because she's doing shit like that it's going a lot worse later too it would be one thing if she was going around the house and flirting with multiple people like if she was flirting a little bit with KJ and flirting with Ben and then also flirting a little bit with Jesse. Like, we know, and I'm sure they damn well know who Jesse is.

If you're spending 100% of your energy flirting with Jesse to quote unquote get back at West, you should know who Jesse is. Like, it's going to end poorly. So that's why I fully agree that Sierra is not like excused from all of this. You can take it to a certain extent, but she's doing way too much. Yeah, I agree, dude. I agree. Oh, please, not that music.

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looking into the mirror, like, oh, imagine this is our engagement photo. we cut to a confessional. This is my fucking point. The first thing that Jesse says, Sierra's just so hot and we're having a nice time. Last summer, she dated my best friend,

but I would never pursue it. But now I'm thinking, fuck you, bro. If this was my friend and I saw this shit, like, it would be on site. I would be so pissed off.

I'd be like, who the fuck do you think you are, dude? Like, it's so slimy. It's so damn slimy, especially because we know how close they are, right?

Like, it's no secret that these guys hang out in the off season. West is, like, a big supporter of his music. He was a big supporter when Jesse was going through that shit with his cancer two years ago, which was really scary. And, like, West was, he's been there for you every single step of the way. And Jesse, you were there for West as he was trying to pick up the pieces after the whole Sierra thing. So how on earth can you sit in a confessional and be like, but now nothing's changed?

There's no dynamic that's new to this thing that would allow for you to do this shit. It's ludicrous. And it's just it bums me out for West. Like I genuinely feel bad for West because it's such a slimy move from Jesse. But also, I don't think that West is going to clock Jesse for it. Yeah. Yeah. He's going to clock him in like the nicest way possible.

Yeah. Midwestern. It's not even as bad as like that Texas bless your heart where it's like, oh, I know that you actually hate me when you say that. it's going to be the nicest Midwestern like yeah you know and we see that a little bit later at the end of the episode that's what he's going to do that's that's going to be west's approach because he really doesn't want to get jesse he doesn't want to be a dick to jesse but he should have full rain to go ahead and go scorched earth like the rest of the guys in the house agree with you you've got everybody on your side except for

you know sarah's not privy to all of the information at this time but that should be enough for you who go scorched earth and be like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Like, at least give them that. Like, I'm not saying it's immediately a friendship ender. I'm not saying it's a, it's immediately like, dude, fuck off. Like, I don't want to be around you. It's, it should be a conversation where you start off saying, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah.

And instead, we cut to the scene of all the dudes sitting there. And Jesse's like, and notice the way he phrases the question too. Because these are all little things that he is very intentionally doing. you don't care if I make out with Sierra, do you? He's downplaying it out of the gate because he knows it's up. So he downplays it. And West's response is, is that in the works? I don't know.

If anything, you'd just be a drunk and for fun. What is that? That again, downplays it. It's just like if we're drunk, I just wanted to be like, you know, cool that I clear it with you first. Every guy is sitting there like, what? And they don't discuss it yet. And we'll save that conversation when they do.

do, but that tells you the intention with how he's phrasing things. He knows that this is not cool. But if he words it ever so slightly the right way, softens the blow in his mind, maybe it'll be okay. That's fucking grimy, dude. I do not care for it. Thank God we've got normal dudes in the house too, because if you watch KJ and Ben laying in the other bed, their reaction was wild.

And they weren't even here. They weren't here for the last two years. Like I'm sure KJ knows a little bit more than West or than Ben does because he's West threat. Like West probably did tell him and bring him up to speed on all the shit that's going on. He knows that there's some weird tension between West and Sierra. He knows the whole backstory. And his face immediately is like, what the fuck? Ben gets upset.

Ben's like, what are we doing here? Like this is not how dudes act. This is not how friends act. This makes no sense. And Jesse's still pushing it. And just like you said, he downplays everything because he's just saying, you know, yeah, it's a possibility. And I'm sure he's going to take the fucking stance of, well, I'm not a complete dick,

because I did come to him first and at least tell him that there's a possibility. So it's not like I was doing weird shit behind his back. Like, no, dude, you were doing a bunch of weird shit behind his back. And then once you realize that Sierra might actually be into it because she's playing into it a lot, then you brought it to his attention so that you could move forward with a quote unquote clean slate. Be like, I told Wes, so I should be okay in this situation. I'm not an asshole.

You are. Like, you are as sleazy asses. whole. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what his thought process is going into this whole thing. And it's gross. We all know guys like this. It's disgusting. Yeah. That's the thing. And like to people that are, because obviously, you know, we always get naysayers and people that say that we're overreacting or whatever the fuck. Perfect example of that is like our, my favorite comment I think we've gotten was, you know, we've been talking a lot about Craig this season because we recognize the behaviors. Like we know guys like this and we've seen it a million. times. I still know dudes like this in their 30s. But somebody commented, every man that comments about the Craig thing hates what Craig is doing. And lists like, I think watch what Crappins was in there. Ryan Bailey, us in like a couple more. Like they all hate him. All the men hate him. Like I don't understand it. It's like,

do you think just maybe that we have a different perspective of this whole thing because we're dudes and we see what's going on and we see how he's moving from experience we we know people like this so that's where we're coming from and that's not to say like you're wrong you don't understand because you're not a dude by any means i'm just offering you a different look at it where it's like yeah maybe we we see it differently because we've seen this shit in a real time many times but that's what i'm seeing with this stuff too it's like as shooter said we know guys like this And they try to stretch the rules. They try to word things in a certain way.

They act like they are the best friends in the world. Meanwhile, they're texting your exes on the side or liking their pictures on Instagram and shit. Like that's the way that they move. And then they try to just say, oh, I'm just fucking around until they think they have a chance. And that's when it shifts.

And that's exactly what you just said. And that's what we're watching now, the shift into, oh, maybe this is a thing. And that's fucked up. But, we go out DJ set everything goes well seemingly it looked like a big crowd when we get home and I think that this is even more alarming

Bailey puts Jesse's cutout in Sierra's room yeah so the whole house knows the whole house is watching this transpire this is not I think Jesse's under the impression that this is like on the sly and that people aren't picking up on what he's doing Jesse your cutout is in Sierra's bed and Mia walking into the room and going never, ever, ever, tells you how she feels about Jesse. This is also a red flag from a dude's perspective. When people are coming home,

first off, I actually want to preface this, I love Bailey and Lindsay coming home together. I think that is so fun. I like that Bailey is immediately hitching to Lindsay because Lindsay is a great powerhouse and she's a great friend to have. So if you can get some sort of friendship from that, I love that.

That's a great move by Bailey. But this is a red flag from a dude's perspective. when people start filing home, all the girls that were out with them, you know, Amanda's upstairs sick, all the girls that are out with them are coming home. Normal. They're not coming home at 4 a.m.

The boys are probably getting rowdy. Jesse's with them. We watched Jesse multiple times of the last two years hang out with all the dudes, do dude shit. But instead, now he's going so far to come home with them. And you can't convince me that it's not because, oh, yeah, maybe we get back and we're hanging out a little bit.

Maybe I can hang out with Sierra a little bit. little bit and get some one-on-one time without the guys there. And I don't have to worry about Jesse, or with West being there, with Ben being there, with KJ being there, Carl, whoever. Carl is sober and he's still out. And Jesse's coming home at one o'clock in the middle of Kyle's DJ set with all the girls coming home, fucking bizarre. Like immediately, as soon as you see that, and if you're a dude and there's a group of girls that you're with and they're all friends, and this dude's not hooking up with them actively, if one of our friends were to leave and go home with the girls and he didn't have a good excuse, immediately he'd be like,

right, something's up. Who you're trying to hook up with? Yeah. Exactly. Like that's the little things. That's one of them. Put it on the list of a fuckery that's currently happening. But the final crew arrives.

We get like three parties coming home at separate times. And we get the final crew home. Like it was either 315 or 415. I'm not entirely sure. It was four. Yeah. Was it four? And it's every dude minus.

Jesse. Jesse. And Carl. Carl came home a little early. Yeah. Jesse and Carl are not there. So it's KJ, Kyle, Ben, West. And I think that's it.

And they're talking about the Jesse thing and him bringing that whole thing up. And every guy there, Kyle included, everyone's like, yeah, that was fucking weird. And to Kyle's credit, I will say he didn't see him as torn up as he usually is at the end of the night. They actually seemed relatively coherent. So I will point that out. But they're all in the same boat. Like, yeah, it's fucked up. That's really fucked up.

Ben more so than anybody. Ben is like upset about this whole thing. He's a dude's dude, yeah. That's a dude's dude right there. We love a dude's dude. But notice how West is now talking about it. Yeah, he's concerned. Like this was way more of a, I feel like I'm battling with this.

I don't know if I'm in the right. Like this was a, did you guys see how that went and he's heard them talk about it a little bit more and more? This was good confirmation for West. And this is why I felt bad for him. the whole episode because I'm sure he was wrestling with these feelings where he's like, am I allowed to be upset about this? I don't know because he's still still still in his head about all the Sierra shit that went

down and how he burned her a couple years ago. But now he's like, I don't know if I deserve to feel this way. And this is a sign of a good dude. I know what he did to Sierra was wrong a couple years ago. But at this point, he's been dealing with this for so long. He still doesn't know how to act. And he's just looking for some sort of support. Like, I feel really bad about this.

Like, this is making me sad. this is making me upset, but I don't know if I'm allowed to feel this way. I'm not crazy, right? Lose all fucking ability to do this and have other people agree with me. And immediately, and again, like you said, Kyle wasn't as torn up anymore. He's looking over like, dude, yeah, it's the whole thing is just fucking weird. Ben's going in on it. KJ says it's fucking weird.

So this is the confirmation that West needed. And I'm happy he got that too, because I don't want him wrestling with these feelings in that house because we've seen that happen before where there's something clearly wrong going on. and the rest of the house is like, eh, it's okay. Honestly, just point back to last year where Lexi would come home and everybody would be on Jesse's side, even though everything that Jesse was doing was fucked up. Yep, agreed, 100%. And it's the first time that we've heard West say that they dated that that was his girlfriend.

There's a reason for that. That's because he's now looking at the whole thing differently. And maybe if we want to look at like a silver lining glass half full kind of thing, maybe this is what West needed to fit. out what his feelings actually were for Sierra. Maybe this pushed him to a place where he's like, oh, shit, you know what? I do actually care a lot about this. Maybe that's indicative of my feelings.

I don't know. That doesn't mean that this is a good thing and that I support it. But you are seeing a different side of West right now as he wrestles with all of this to try to figure things out. And it is interesting. And thank God, as you've said multiple times, thank God that we have normal guys here to give him some support and be like, no, dude, you're not fucking nuts. Like, this is weird.

And we are all on your team. And if you want to go bitch slap Jesse, we'll give me the baby powder. Like this is bullshit. But why is there baby powder? What was that movie? Um, this cat Williams. Give me the powder. Is it Friday?

Is it next Friday? I think it is. Yeah. I think it's either next Friday. No, right after next, right after next, right after next. Yeah. Give me the power.

I'm thinking about it too. That makes a lot of sense for all the weird like slap boxing videos that I see on Instagram. I'm like, I'm thrilled by this power. Power slap. Power slap. Power slap is wild. That's chalk,

not baby powder. But yeah. That's chalk. Okay. Yeah. But that, oh my God, that is a great sport.

I would never do it. Not in a million years, but great sport. Anywho, we get poolside. It's the next day. Not before Mia lets us know that she had a sex dream

about John Hamm. Look, it could happen to anybody. Right. It could. Like, I don't know what it is with John Hamm, but he's been in my dreams before.

It hasn't been a sex dream, but he's been there. Well, I mean, this is a guy It's known for going commando and known for having a hog. And I mean, he's a handsome guy. You can't.

Big Bravo fan too. Yeah, I would actually, I, you know what? If you haven't had a sex dream about John Hamm, regardless of your gender, I don't trust you. How about that? Well, I just said that I have it, but yeah, he's been in my dream. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't believe you. Anyway, we're by the pool. Lindsay and Ben are vibing. I love how enamored Bailey is. with Lindsay. She's like, oh, my God, she's like an Olympic flutter. Like, if she sees a guy, she just has this, this thing about her. I really like it. I love that we're having mustache conversations. Those are always fun. You know, should I,

shouldn't I? Yeah, you always should. You should always give it a try. But see what it looks like. Bailey attempts to flirt. Like, I love hair and a man. Like, it makes it more manly, blah, blah, blah, which is decent. You shouldn't have followed it up with. Do you think I know how to flirt? And Ben's like, oh, yeah, she's sure. And she's like, Okay, great. And I loved the call out, like, have you seen her flirt? And he's like, yeah, like once or twice. Yeah.

He doesn't recognize that in that exact moment, she was attempting to flirt. I love. She was. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's great. And she'll figure it out. She just has to get through and she's got some support, but she's got some

insecurities, but she'll work through it. This is a good group to work through that way. Yeah. And I, you know me, dude. I fucking love a Renaissance fair. I love them. I think there's so much fun. I love a big old turkey leg.

Back in the day when I was drinking, I would spend like six hours at a Renaissance Fair and just crush years. I'll still go to a Renaissance Fair. I'll still go to one happily. I think I told you this. And they had, I guess there's a professional jousting league. Like, you know,

you see like the reenactment where they have like the fake ones? No, no. This is real. It's actual jousting full metal armor, full lances. And they go full speed. and fuck each other up. It was so cool.

Yeah, I saw it two times at the Sarasota Renaissance Fair. But anyhow, back on task here. We're in the kitchen. And KJ, I love KJ a lot. I think he's like such a great depiction of what I want masculinity to be in

2026 where he's like, you know, I can't lie, man. Like, yeah, it's part of me likes. Like the ladies are all over me at the club. And like, of course that's fun.

But at the same time, like my feminine side like I hear my mom in my head like what the hell are you doing I love this guy he's awesome now we get into it and I'm I can't tell you how happy I am that Lindsay's here for this weekend we need Lindsay for this topic we're going to need Lindsay to come through for us on this topic to check Jesse because West isn't going to do it this is a great Lindsay task and I hope that she takes it on I think she will but she's asking about Sierra and West is like oh man like you know things are actually pretty good like last weekend we were like super comfy like you know we saw that scene of them getting kind of close and like you know seara saying like

after midnight like look i got to take some time off then we agree but west is saying that and then he brings up the fact that jesse asked if he could make out with sierra ben said it was weird the timing's fucking weird according to lindsay because i didn't even pick this up this is why i fucking love Lindsay because she sees things and it's very rare for either a man or a woman. She sees things from both sides. She sees the dude angle and she sees the lady angle. And I love that because she she points it out to me. She's like, it's interesting that he did in front of all of the dudes, right?

That's a dibs call. I was like, oh, my God. You're right. Wow, I missed that. Thank you, Lindsay. And she's totally right. That's him more or less, for lack of a better term, marking his territory, saying this is going to happen.

I'm just letting you all know. Yep. Yeah, that's exactly what it is doing. And I'm so thankful that Lindsay's there for so many different reasons. I hope that she's involved. And we know that, you know, in the clip, she's the one who tells Sierra that what, or that Jesse was saying this.

We see that she's going to be involved a little bit later. So I hope that she's really deeply involved. And that's what I went from Lindsay this year. Every weekend that she's there, I want her deeply involved in everything that happens. She could take six weeks off her after that for all I care. That's all we need. And then we'll bop into the city and just see what she's up to.

That's the perfect. amount of Lindsay. I would love a lot more, of course. But when things are popping off and things are getting to this point, like you said, West isn't going to check, Jesse, but if the whole house knows what's going on and we already know where everybody kind of stands, we don't really know, you know, I'm sure Mia's on the side of what the fuck is going on. This is making me uncomfortable. You can see it in her face. But if you bring like Amanda into the fold, Bailey and Levi into the fold, I'm sure they're going to be closer to West side. So if this all goes down, Lindsay has to be the one to drill that charge.

And I hope that's exactly how it plays out. I agree. I think that it's a big Lindsay moment. She's always come through in the past. I don't see this going any differently. But this was the rotten cherry on top. And this was my firm fuck this moment is we go to Sierra's room. Jesse canoodles his way into the bed.

Mia comes in and she's like, oh, Jesse's here. and she kind of slides in, you would think that Mia wasn't there the way that both of them are acting. Okay, both of them. And you cannot put all of this on Jesse. There is a lot put on Sierra as well. I would say 6040 is kind of where I land.

60 being Jesse 40 being Sierra, because he rolls over and fucking just straight up spoons. Straight up spoons. I don't know where his hand went when he goes, ooh, it's so warm. We watched him earlier lay on Sierra's boobs and be like, Oh, it's like a really big pillow. We watched her laugh at it.

Because here's the thing. When I was single, I never did this with any of my female friends. Not one time because you know why? It sends signals and it's fucking weird. But the fact of the matter is, and this sealed the deal. And there is no defense you can try, but it will not work. Because when he says trying not to get a boner and her reaction, is to smirk and kind of just snuggle in.

What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? And the baby voices? Why are we doing baby voices? Thank God, Mia's normal. And she's rolling her eyes into the back of her head next to him. Like, what the fuck is happening right now? But this is wild.

This is absolutely insane on Jesse's part. Sierra, it is what it is. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not. Mainly because once again, you're getting involved with a dude in the house. That's my biggest gripe about the Sierra part of it. It's not so much the Jesse West. part of it because West burned her. So it kind of is what it is, in my opinion. But you said,

you told us in the beginning of the season that you weren't doing this again and you're doing it again. And you can't tell me that she just thinks that they're friends. Friends don't snuggle into boners. Okay. I've never snuggled into a boner once. Not one time with my friends. It doesn't happen. So this tells you that it's not just one side. There are two sides to this story. And they're both going in the same direction right now. And it's just giving Jesse more and more ammo. He's going to confessional. It's like, yeah, when I meet a girl, I write a song and I said it to the girl.

Don't do that. Don't fucking do that. That's weird. That's a weird thing to do. And Amanda's like, yeah, that's fucking weird. You know, it's weirder? I just wrote a song about being in love with your best friend. That's fucking weird.

Does Sierra no? I didn't say it was about Sierra. Okay, who's it about, dude? Like, what the, what it? Ah, God damn. That confessional, and I don't want to talk about it any more than this, but that confessional made me want to blow my head smooth off to my fucking neck. Just a smooth crease with my head no longer there.

I couldn't, I can't do it. I just, no, I can't fucking do this. I just can't with him. We are subjected to his bullshit-ass music all fucking summer on TikTok. Every time I go on TikTok, it pops up again and again. I don't know who the fuck he's paying, who he's bribing to get us more engagement. I don't want to sign a record deal. Fuck off.

Whoever signed him. a record deal. It's like CIA or somebody. Should file or agency. No, sorry. He signed to an agency. I think he signed to CIA, which is wild.

They should immediately decommission that agency. I don't care of what fucking government agency has to get involved, but get rid of them. Just blow them clean off the map. I'm done with it. Send them wherever the fuck I send my head if I have to hear Jesse sing again. No. Like, I just don't want to do this shit anymore. That's the biggest thing that comes from this is like, no.

You know, it's just a flat out no. It's like, can we not? Can we please not? Like the biggest thing, let's take emotions out of it and like take our feelings about Jesse out of it. This will nuke the house. This is the Lexi situation on steroids. Like these two fall apart. Like what the fuck?

Now West and Jesse are at odds. Everyone's at odds with Jesse. Like this is a nuclear bomb waiting to happen. And that's my biggest frustration with Jesse is like you fucked the house up last year. You just did this. shit. And now you're going to do it again. But with your best friend's ex, you're just a bad dude. He's a piece of shit. Like, this is not a guy's guy. This is not even a good friend. Like, he's just bad news. Now you finally get West sitting down with Jesse in a, like in a tube. They're sitting

going to float together in the pool. And Jesse initiates it by just like, you know, bringing up the situation. And he's like, yeah, you know, I think he brings up the car. Like we were driving the car. and like, you know, we were holding hands. That was weird. Like, he's kissing her hand and, you know, she's filming it. And West is like, so it's just all jokey. Jesse laughs. He doesn't respond.

He doesn't say anything. He just laughs. And then his response is, we've always had a good friendship and she's hot. Great. That sounds like you're really into her. It sounds like you really hold her to a high standard because she's hot. What else does she bring to the team? table, you fucking dirt bag, because there's more two people than their attractiveness.

But that just tells me, you want to bang her. You don't want to date her. And I guarantee you, the second that they hook up, he's going to be like, oh, whoops, probably shouldn't have done that. I really don't think, based off of historical accuracy, especially with Lexi last year, he's going to do too much. He's going to love bomb. And that's what he's going to do.

It's going to be the same bullshit over and over again. Right. It's going to be worse. If they were to hook up and they were to quote unquote date or whatever the fuck that looks like, it'll be 10 times worse than what West did. It'll be so much worse because that's how he moves. It's just how he moves. He's a slime ball.

And again, this is, if you take all of it out of it, the fact that two guys are laying in a tube talking about one guy's ex-girlfriend and the other guy trying to hook up with her, laying in a tube is very funny. It is admittedly very funny. But I love West. I think he's probably the best person on this show. I enjoy him so much. And I don't want him to feel sad and I don't want him to feel upset.

And you've got this fucking absolute major villain who thinks he's probably got like I, that's the other thing. People are going to try to convince me that he's just being like a villain in the house needs somebody that like they're going to dislike or whatever. No, he's just a slime ball. Like that's all it is. And the way that he's talking to West, he's downplaying everything. He's gaslighting the show. shit out of West. And that tells me, you've done this before. Like, you have a thousand percent done this before. And your weird ass fucking frat down in Miami, because I think he went to you,

Miami, but your weird ass fucking frat that you were in. That tracks so much. A thousand percent hooked up with your fucking frat brothers, girlfriends or ex-girlfriends, and then talk to them in a condescending tone to make it seem like they're crazy. So not only are you gaslighting girls, you're gaslighting your friends. You're just a bad person. That's, and that goes back to what we were saying earlier about knowing guys like this. That's their M.O. I don't know what it is. I don't know why they do it. There's a type of dude out there that makes a game out of going after X's. I don't know why. And I know these guys personally. And I don't understand it. But there is a type of dude that like takes pleasure in gunning for X's. And that's clearly who this guy is. And like you said, these are all indicators of past experience. Like that's why you're so easily brushing things off. Because again, after. for the friendship and everything comment west like so that's it he's like well we've been viving and flirting and finally west is like are you asking for permission right now

i'm just in case you know we get drunk and made out stop stop downplay if you're gonna do this at least be a fucking man about it and like say what you mean because you're just being a bitch right now talking like this like i don't understand your angle i don't understand why you don't just fucking grow up put on your big boy pants and say i caught feelings i don't know what to do that's a different conversation. That's a way different conversation. That's an okay conversation. Again, we said this before and I prefaced it by the saying, reality TV is a weird fucking

place. Shared houses are a weird fucking place. This is going to happen. You guys are all hot. You're all single. There's nothing like really, really that terrible at a base level. If you just say, dude, this is, it's just getting fucking weird. I mean, like I really like her.

I think she likes me. But like, I don't want to upset you. I don't want to get any deeper. I want to have a conversation with you. to see where you are. And if you say it's fucking weird and it might affect our friendship, then I'll pull out and I'll have a conversation with Sierra.

That's how adults move. But he's not doing anything. Again, at the base level, it's not that big of a deal. But what you're doing and all of the other manipulations that you're pulling with the guys in the house, with West, with Sierra,

it's fucking sleazy. It's just so scumbaggy that there's no other way to look at it. Like you are an asshole. Especially in this moment, because West brings, up. And this is West's version of checking somebody. Yeah. I talked to all the other guys and they thought it was weird. And now Jesse's like, who? KJ, Ben, Kyle.

Every other fucking guy in the house. Rushes it off entirely. And West doubles down. He's like, yeah, Ben was actually really bugged out. And by the way, on paper, you asked your boy if you could make out with his ex. Most people in this position would call you a weirdo or a dickhead for asking. That's West version of calling him a weirdo and a dickhead. It's not going to go beyond that. probably now there is another side to this coin with dudes like west when you do finally push them over the edge look out those are the guys you got to look out for i don't know if he has that in them i assume it somewhere in there but that cool facade will break at a certain point and i don't

think jesse's ready for what comes after that and i don't want west have to get to that point so i don't think he likes to get in that. And that's not a fun place to be. But Jesse's response is so fucked up. He's like, really? What should I have done? Not asked and just done it? You know, the fact that you dated her makes it weirder, but it wouldn't stop me.

So you just looked in your best friend's face and said, fuck you. I don't care. She's hot. And you can go, fuck yourself, buddy. No. Absolutely.

not. That's not how you move. It's not how you be a good friend. And it's proof that is definitive proof. One, that you've done this before. Two, that your whole shtick is just a fucking act. You're just trying to put on this routine of like, oh, it's just me. Jesse Solomon. Meanwhile, in the background, you're moving like a dirt bag. You're fucking over your friends. And you're putting yourself in this entire house into precarious positions because you want to bang Sierra. Yep. Fuck you, dude. Two times.

Let's get some questions. Yeah. First up here from Ali Bach. I love Sierra. However, do we agree the snuggling with Jesse is cringy slash disturb from both sides? Yes, absolutely. And that's an okay.

Like, we, I still like Sierra. I think she's great for the house. I think she's a great person. She's just going too fucking far. It's pissing me off. Yep, 100%.

There's a lot of those. I got to defend our guy right here. T McCann 777. Why does West dress like a mess? Hair, mustache, bad. Why do women find him attractive? I'm sorry. West has great style.

And I dress similarly to him, not because of him, but he does give me some inspo. But yeah, no, that's just, it may not be your favorite look. That's okay. But he looks good, I think. Big bigger issue here. T McCann 777. You are not supposed to respond to the damn picture that I post. I posted a picture of West.

It's like enough. Ask his questions about the fucking episode. I'm going to start. I swear to God. Oh, no. All right. Here's a fun one to break down. Things I like,

things I love, asks, why is West okay with Dara hooking up with his friends, but not Sierra? Okay, for a couple reasons here, right? Nobody knows Dara.

Jesse's not friends with Dara. Like, she's anonymous pretty much for everyone else in the group. Two, it's the level of feelings, right? Like clearly Sierra, you can say recency bias or you can just say that it landed harder with West. He wasn't expecting the feelings that came from that whole thing.

The main thing for me is Jesse was West's shoulder to cry on through that whole thing. Supportive telling me he's going to be okay, making jokes during this season about the fact that Sierra's warming back up to West. So you're rooting for your boy. Meanwhile, you're moving in on his girl or his ex. That's not okay. So it's a very different scenario for multiple reasons. reasons, at least from my perspective. I do get where you're coming from.

It's not a bad question, but I do think they're two very different scenarios. Yeah, absolutely. From Fush 78, am I the only one who thinks Lindsay is still being shitty to Carl just because? No. I don't think it's that big. Yeah, I think it's more just like, clearly there's still some emotions there, which makes total sense. And maybe she just conditioned at this point to like take digs of Carl.

I don't think there's malicious intent behind it. I don't think she's trying to drag him. I think it just, it's almost involuntary at this point. She sees something that she doesn't like with Carl. She's like, ha, nice shoes, asshole. Anyway, it goes on about her day. I think it's funny, but I don't think it's deeper than that. Just for me, TV, how long are you making it through Kyle's two-hour set?

Yeah, probably the whole time. It depends on how drunk I am. Honestly, I would probably just fade into the background, having conversations, and then be like, oh, yeah, I'll still get one. From Val Sibel, if a friend asked if you can make out with your ex, like Jesse did, like Jesse did is very important. To Wes, what would you say? That's the big thing.

The way he went about it. Now, they dig a very small hole, put some water in that hole and go fuck a hole, buddy. Yeah, like it would not go over well if this went the way that Jesse did it. Is there a world in which one of my closest friends comes up to me and is like, hey, I know this is uncomfortable, but like I've been talking to so and so. I didn't expect this. Like there's a respectful conversation that me being me, I would probably land at. I don't love this.

But if you think this is something real, like go do your thing. That's probably, but that's the thing. Like that's the difference in gaslighting and downplaying versus being up front and going, I'm really sorry that this happened. I wasn't expecting it. I love you. But I'm in a weird. place. I respect that.

That's different. For sure. From Hotcakes, 1987, I wish Bailey would stop talking about her ex. He doesn't deserve a word spoken. I get that. But at the same time, it seems like it's kind of cathartic for Bailey to go through this process, talking to the girls about what she went through. So, more power to her, honestly, with her talking about it. Also, there's a different perspective on that. If people in the Bravo world find out who Bailey's ex is and she's trashing him on TV, they can then go after him because he sounds like a terrible fucking guy. Yeah, that too.

from Taylor Cedle. Do you think Sierra's leading Jesse on? Or do you think she believes he's kidding around? I don't know. I wouldn't say leading on. I would say leaning in. She's leaning in. She's matching his energy.

Because again, all you have to say is this. Snuggling into a boner or potential boner is not what friends do. That's not a joke. That's more. I will do one more here. Zoe Coole-Li. Is bed attractive or is it just the accent. I just don't see it. I don't know what you don't see. He is very, very attractive. He's a

great looking guy. He's a stunning man. There's no other way around it. Like, it makes sense to me, but I want to end it on one more just from Brie Polo. Did Sierra and Jesse Cuddling also make you want to vomit? Yes. I did. Shooter did. He took a picture and sent it to me. So I just threw up and he sent me a picture. Made you're a smiley face in it, which was weird. Yep. You know, with my thing. Not like post production. Anyway, I don't know. I have what, this threw me for such a loop.

Like I knew it was coming. I fucking told you, but like I was still hoping that it wasn't. And here we are. And I just, I, my biggest sentiment, I just feel bad for West.

Like this sucks. That's fucking brutal. But anywho, I'm sure that, you know, Sierra's camp is going to dream us out for this episode. But hey, we stand by it.

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