Bros & Shows - We Still Have Questions About The Jesus Manipulation (Next Gen NYC Full Recap S2 Reunion Part 2)

Episode Date: September 28, 2026

What's up bros?? It's time to say goodbye to the best new Bravo show as we conclude the reunion. While we had a lot of great moments in this reunion, we still don't know exactly how Jesus was used to manipulate Arianna but I guess we'll settle for bringing Hudson out for the Love Triangle portion of the show; even the parts that don't really include him. All in all, this reunion was very well done and gives us so much more excitement going into season 3! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We officially made it through season two of NextGen. And look, I don't even think it was just the timing that it happened to coincide with like OC and it was kind of a lull in the summer. This is one of, if not the best show on Bravo. This is one of the best shows on TV in the reality TV space. It's like I can't give it enough flowers. Like this show just flat out rocks. Like it's one of the best shows I've seen in years. Yeah.

They're definitely getting the uptick too. I think New York Times did a whole article. on what the show is about how important it is right now and how good it is for new york i'm going to be sad to see it go i am sad to see it go because we're done but i think one thing we know about bravo about reality tv they see the popularity they're bringing it back quick this is going to be back by the time summer hits next year and we're going to be right back in there and that's what i want that's exactly what you want hit it while the iron's hot yeah i wouldn't be surprised with the pickup cameras like you know they'll probably pick it up holiday yeah holiday season like

fall into Thanksgiving and Christmas just to get that vibe in New York. Yeah, they might have like a month off maybe. Good, good. They're young, run them through the fucking ringer. Absolutely. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. It will be a, oh man, it's eight o'clock. And so that'll make it a. I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bro. Broves. Good afternoon, everybody. And welcome back to another episode of Brof Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always for the last time this year. Next Goots, NY Goots.

What's up, dude? Let's give a big round of applause, a big welcome back to Hudson, too. Welcome back, Hudson. Yep, welcome back. Way to show up to the reunion in leather pants. Once again, what's with him in leather? Why is he got to do this? I don't know, but I did, it obviously.

given what's going on, it does change my perspective. I'm going to lay off of him a little bit. Interestingly enough, when he talks about rehab and drug addiction, all the shit that he was going through that coincided with him, assuming, filming. A lot of shit tracked for me, at least,

where I was like, okay, that makes a lot more sense, actually. And I'm going to lay off until next season and see if he comes back and he's sober and a douchebag because, look, I know I talk a lot about and a lot on behalf of the recovery community. I know plenty of people that are sober that are still giant pieces of shit. So like I'm not saying Hudson is.

I'm saying I'm going to reserve judgment for next year given that he was going through a lot. Yeah, that's totally funny. It was a new term for me too. Readdicted. I hadn't heard that one before. Fell back in, back, you know, whatever.

Readdicted was a new one for me. That kind of struck a chord in a weird way because it's a new word. I like hearing new words. I think the theme of this, for this part of this was such a good episode of a reunion there was so much and it's

and it's just talking about pretty much the same topic I mean obviously you know we mix in a little bit of everybody as we talk to pretty much everybody to get the vibe as to what's going on with Ava and shy to get the vibe between what's going on with Georgia and the rest of the group but obviously the main component here is the love

triangle that Ariada created that Charlie created that Love Square I guess you could say I think it's more a theme that I love, and I think it's really fun. And I'm going to call it cuckadoodle do, because that is what we are doing right now. The fact that they brought Hudson out to do all of this, like, hey, Hudson, okay, let's talk about

Ariana and Liam. That's why we were saving it. That was such a good move. And it's something that I hadn't seen. I didn't think that Bravo had it in them. I didn't think that Andy had it in him. I don't know if it's a production team. I really don't know who to thank, but I'm so thankful that we waited to bring Hudson.

out to talk about primarily what went down with Liam and Ariana. What went down with Charlie and Ariana? Oh yeah. Hudson's here. How does that make you feel? Yeah, let's do like a little bit as like honestly, it was a footnote to talk about the fact that Ariana and Hudson got back together for whatever it was a couple of weeks there. And obviously we learn a little bit more about why Hudson wasn't there, which obviously you know, we're going to have a little bit of grace for on this show.

But honestly, bringing him out to just have full conversations about Ariana with two other guys just to show Hudson and just to have him out there and check in here and there as to how it makes him feel and hear about the things that we're going on with him reaching out to Liam. Oh my God. What a move. What a great move for a reunion. This made the episode for me. It did. I mean, it was a great move. I actually will give him some respect for holding it together and responding in the way that he did because if that was me, I'm like, fuck you. Fuck you too. and fuck you and you know ask me that question he doesn't he kind of for better or worse he takes his licking you know what i mean like we were pretty out on hudson then i'm not saying that he's like

back in into the cast immediately and that he's going to i do i want him back i i'm not great addition to the show but i want him back i didn't think that i was going to but after this it was such a funny thing and the fact that he reached out to leum after finding out that that and charlie a kissed holy shit i i think he did that out of pure jealousy hate whatever that was a range that is the type of personality i want i want you to not think anything through and then sit at the reunion and be like yeah you know what i was a little short-sighted i don't know what i was doing i don't know why i did it i mean i do know why i did it i was pissed about the situation i wanted him to hurt i was hurting fine do that that makes the show so much better that is exactly the

of mentality I want. Agreed. And like again, the fact that he sat there and took it. Like that's a big thing, especially for us. Like if you're going to show up at the reunion and he didn't show up during the season, you're going to get a beat down. You got to sit there and take the beat down. And we will let you back in. We'll open the door. I'll be like, fine. Good job. Come on back. We'll say you do. He did. So I will give him credit

for that. But yeah, I mean, the whole setup of the scene. Like, God, let's just wait to get into the love stuff until we get Hudson out here. Who's not really other than on the outside looking in who feels some type of way about it. Let's ask you how he felt. Hey, how did that feel? Shitty, huh?

Yeah. So what did you do? Oh, you called the other guy. How'd that feel? shitty? Oh, okay. How do you feel right now? Shitty.

Great. Anyway, Charlie. But the thing, like the overarching theme for me in this episode, and again, like I can't say enough good things about Charlie and what he brings to TV. I do think that it's interesting because this kind of paints a picture. at least from home, like where I'm sitting and watching, like you're kind of seeing through his shit. But even so, just the way that he talks, right?

Like he has a very curated vocabulary when it comes to dealing with shit that he stepped in. In hindsight, or he talks from like, you know, I didn't really think that through. And like the way that he forms his sentences, he has this uncanny ability of taking two different issues. something that he did versus something that somebody maybe did to him. What he did is worse, objectively, than what other people did to him. But he is able to spin it in a way where it's like, well, I did that because you did that. Both things are fucked up.

So you can't sit there and tell me that you did that. That was my response to you. It's like, no, but yeah. Like, no, what you did was worse, Charlie. But the way that you're able to talk and the way that you're able to sway people, I know there's people at home going Well, yeah, Ariana did do that. And you know what?

Yeah, I guess Hudson did. Yeah, you know what? Hudson didn't show up for his girl. Understandably so, like we know what he was going through. But he's just, he's very good at this. He is like, she's scary good at this. Yeah, he's incredibly good at it. And I think for the cast, it'll switch at some point.

And I think some of them are already kind of showing that they understand what's going on. Mostly Gia. I mean, she's been for Charlie. I don't want to say the Charlie Whist. Brewer, but she knows what's going on. And she also understands the dynamic of what you have to do to actually. Yeah. And obviously, he's directly involved with Arianna.

So that is where he's going to, quote, unquote, take accountability. But with everything else, he's not taking accountability for it. Georgia is where we start the episode, because it's a little spillover anyway from last episode. He will not move on. And he tells her, and this is how he's good at it. He lays out a plan. If you just take accountability for what you did to,

me in season one. I always love when he talks like that too because it's not like what you did to me last year. It's not what you did to me last spring specifically in this instance. It's what you did to me in season one. And you can tell he's the type of person as he says many times. And yeah, he does it tongue in cheek and kind of jokes a little bit. But he is

the kind of person that's going to use the bad at it. And Andy even tells him like you can't claim bad at it. He's like, nah, I'm just joking. He's not joking. He really is trying to convince. He knows it's not a bad at it deep down. He knows that other people know it's not a bad edit. But he knows that there's people out there watching the show

that he can convince and say you want me to be the villain, they're making me out to be this villain. I'm actually a nice guy. I'm very genuine. I'm very authentic. People believe it. People will do that. And obviously there's a lot of different populations when it comes to Charlie and the people to watch the show. I'm part of the population of, I find him wildly

entertaining. I think he is the engine of the show and I do not give a shit. I'm not making excuses for him. I think he's funny as hell. And I want him to continue doing that as long as there's a line there that he's meeting and not crossing, which, you know, obviously he's going to cross here and there, but I don't really care. He's so entertaining that I will like let some of those things slide because I want to see how other people are going to react to it.

But there is a middle population that watches the show that he can actually sway into thinking, oh, you know what? He's not wrong. And maybe they are kind of spinning this at it. Maybe they are changing things here in the production room to make it look like he's actually the devil. But in reality, other people are doing things that it's making him look. worse because of his personality or because the way that he says things like yeah you know he says

some bad things here and there but is he really that bad that's what's happening and he knows it's happening so he's leaning into that it's just it's a master of work watching him just go back and forth all over the place and into the ariana stuff yes he's going to take accountability because it makes him look better and he thinks it's how he's going to be able to escape cleanly but with the georgia stuff like the georgia stuff is the best example of how he really feels you wronged me i have continuously built to where you are. You started here. I'm just meeting you at your level. All the shit that you talked about me last year, I'm just meeting you there. I'm not doing anything worse than what you did to me, but if you take accountability, it'll stop. If you stop

talking about me every second, which Georgia does have a problem. I love Georgia for the show too. She does have a problem about talking about Charlie no matter what. And we talk about the Amira stuff. She is just trying to get people to not like Charlie. If that stops, I'll stop on my end too. But if you don't stop doing that, I will always find something that you do wrong and then just do something wrong and use that as my accountability. Because what that does, if Georgia takes that first step, she's conceding. And he knows that. So whereas he is the antagonist in this whole thing, and if you go back and watch season one, what he's talking about, you know, it's a lot to do with the speaker thing, which is hilarious that that turned into as big of a deal as it did.

if you watch that last lunch between Georgia and Charlie at the end of the season, it's legit over a speaker. And you would have thought that Georgia banged his dad or something. Like it's blown up to this degree of where Charlie's like, you know, it's about respect and it's about this. I've been asking you for weeks. And it's like literally about a fucking speaker. But it turns into so much more.

That speaker represents kind of how he moves. He's like, this is what you did to me. You were mean to me all season. and you broke my trust, blah, blah, blah. He doesn't reference what he's done, what he said, what he did. And in that moment, he's like, we can move on. You have to bend the knee first, and then I'll stop. Because if she concedes, he can put his hand up and see, see,

told you she was the one in the wrong. It's a great move for TV in real life, like what a slime ball. But for TV, it is a great move. And with Georgia, she's quirky enough that she gets herself into these spots. And I think that's where Charlie works the best is kind of, in that gray area where it's like, well, Georgia's not totally absolved of wrongdoing. Yeah. She did talk all kinds of shit this season.

She kind of puts her foot in her mouth. She says weird things and rubs people the wrong way. Charlie's using that to his advantage because he knows at the end of the day, people would rather hang out with Charlie because he's fun than they would with Georgia, as we see with the Bahamas trip. So it's interesting to watch him move like this. And the craziest thing to me, and I'm glad to me, And I'm glad Amir was calling out Charlie like, dude, you're not the victim in this whole thing.

And like, he's kind of, there's people clocking in finally where they're kind of jumping in and trying to reel Charlie in the situation in. The most wild thing that happened this episode, when did Ava become Charlie's mouthpiece? Like, what was going on? Vegas. She goes to bat every time for him. I know. Random shit. I'm like, why are you talking?

I have no idea. And they even say that too. And obviously, it just kind of falls on deaf ears when George is talking. which is her own doing. Again, I love Georgia. I think she's great. But in that group of friends, they're just tired of her shit.

And they realize that they don't want to be around her because she's a bummer versus like, her and Charlie are just as bad as each other. But Charlie is the fun, chaotic bad. She's the bummer boring bad. And they don't want to deal with her because it's just like, all right, Georgia, like enough of that shit. Charlie, on the other hand, like, yeah, you're a little alluring. Sometimes I want to be the bad boy.

Sometimes I want to do these. things. George is the opposite of that, but still bad. So that's what you can see those lines being drawn in the sand. And with the Ava point that you just made, apparently it just started in Vegas that as soon as she broke up, as soon as she was dumb with what was the fuck? I keep messing up, hook. Yeah, present hook. I keep mixing up. But as soon as she breaks up with hook, for whatever reason, she's like, ah, I want to be part of the cool kids. The cool kid allure is Charlie in a weird way. And she just kind of fell into that. We didn't really see it throughout the season. because yeah, people kind of come and go

in terms of like being friends and supporting with Charlie but you really get to see it on display when you get to a reunion and yeah, she was the mouthpiece. Every time that he seemed to find himself, I don't want to say in a hole because I don't think that he was in a hole at any point in this reunion. They just, they failed to be able to like catch him. She was able to pull him out and he would find himself stammering

or saying the same thing over and over and it wasn't getting anywhere. Eva would speak up and then he could stop talking. And that's exactly what he does. And I don't even think Ava really cares. I don't think Shy really cares. People pointed out, but it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because they get it. And it's just funny to watch how that works.

And unless you can find yourself, which is probably the impossible task of catching Charlie in the act of doing something shitty and it's not in response, or at least in Charlie's head, it's not in response to anybody else's shitty actions, that's where you're going to get them. And there's just nothing there. Like he didn't really do in his head anything wrong. with Ariana. He explains himself out of it. He didn't do anything wrong to Liam. He didn't do anything wrong to Georgia. There's always an excuse. There's always something that someone can point to that is actually concrete and say, maybe. Yeah, you know what? Maybe Georgia said something.

Maybe Ariana did something. Maybe Liam did something. Maybe Hudson did something. And yeah, okay, I guess you have a reason for that. Unless you can find some reason for why Charlie's doing something and there is no reason for him to do it except for just being an asshole, you're never going to catch him. And he always has something in his back pocket. And that's the masterfulness on display, I guess, is the way that, because make no mistake, he's in the wrong for the vast majority of things that are being brought up. Oh, yeah. He's a repeat offender.

He has a motive. He does, like, all of the things that he's saying he doesn't. If you write it down on paper, you're like, well, no, you're a dick here, you're a dick here, you're a dick here. Whether your motive was to use Hudson to get to Ariana is, is irrelevant to the point because that's something that you ended up doing. But his whole thing is like,

because it was not, you know, premeditated, that wasn't my intention. But it doesn't really matter when you're looking at it because that's what you did. But he has that tiny little out to say that wasn't what I was doing.

And he's not totally lying. He is, but he's not. It's almost like lying by omission. And he's able to wiggle himself out of like literally, every situation to the point that people are kind of scratching their heads. And then what would have happened if you were able to garner enough support is we could

have had multiple people kind of going after him. But he's able to say some funny things that break the attention. And the most important thing, the most important caveat to this whole thing is Ava out of nowhere. Like that friendship with Ava, her little tiny comments, the little one-offs in between segments, the little one-offs during somebody talking shit about Charlie is enough. to deviate where like you said he can sit back now and we're talking about something else or people are like asking avic like it's just it was crazy to watch because it was he kind of just dodged everything

it's like oh no you got it uh nope you got it with this one nope but he's a slippery fish that's what he yeah exactly but to our point of he is 100% in the wrong like we go over to that like this is the perfect example i cannot couldn't make something up that explains it better that Charlie and Amira and Kevin stuff, right? So Charlie had said some things that were extremely detrimental to Amira and questioned her identity and all of these other things. And by doing that, kind of open the floodgates up until that point, I guess Amira hadn't really had to deal with a lot of bullshit in the comments or the DMs, like people were leaving her alone, letting her live her life. This happens and the floodgates are open. Now she's

hearing all kinds of stupid shit from a lot of stupid people, which sucks. But you have Ava and you have Charlie both saying, well, and Charlie leads up, like, I knew you didn't want to do it on TV. So I didn't bring it up. That was Georgia bringing it up. Mind you, Georgia didn't say, like, what she did, you can question the timing, you can question the motive, you can question all of that for sure. But at the same time, we are on reality TV in which your job is to approach other people and say,

so-and-so was talking shit behind your back. That's how we move things forward. Is there lines, are there things that we shouldn't discuss if somebody doesn't want to talk about it? Absolutely. And if that was a mirror's prerogative, then it shouldn't have been brought up. I will say Georgia didn't know that. So if you look at what Georgia did, was it kind of slimy? Yeah.

But nowhere near as slimy as what Charlie did. But somehow, because Ava jumps in and says, yeah, her motive was 100% just to get messy and bring this up so that like it's just the Charlie take that's all she cares but she doesn't care about you Amira. I don't think that's true. I think it was self-serving. I do think that Georgia did that selfishly.

I don't think she was trying to blow it up. I think she's trying to get people away from Charlie, which again, she talks herself over because she then gets closer to Charlie at the end of the season, which is very confusing. That's where people lose, that's where she loses people. But if we look at it in a big, like a grand scope of things,

Charlie said some fucked up stuff, shouldn't have said it. is not held accountable one time during this reunion. All he says to this point is that he's very sorry and he wishes what. Not that he didn't say it. I wish Georgia had never brought that up on screen. And we move on. And we move on.

Yeah, and that's enough. Like, you could look at it in a way of if you really want to go far into the manipulation, that Charlie knew Amirah didn't want any of that spoken about. And look, I think once you start talking about the, the Kevin is a gay man, that comment is the beginning of that. That is the start of it. It's not, you know, what Georgia insinuates later that Charlie said or made jokes about or made comments about with Amira's identity.

The start of it is the point of Kevin is a gay man. He kind of admits to saying that. He doesn't admit to saying anything later, which, you know, that's undisputed. You don't know if he said it or not. And it kind of falls on Georgia. It falls on Amir to believe what she wants and whatever happens after that. But because it comes out of George's mouth, you could make the argument that Charlie knew Amir didn't want it spoken about.

So that's why he makes the comments because this is never going to get to TV. And if it does, I can blame you. That's the way that Charlie operates. That is the way that it works. And look, I'm not saying 100%. That's what Charlie was doing. But it would be incredibly reasonable to believe that Charlie knows he can make those jokes and comments not in Amir's presence because he knows that no one's

going to bring it up. And even if they do bring it up, they're not dumb enough to bring it up on camera because then what is Amir going to do? Try to get on TV and be like, yeah, I have to take space from Charlie because he's a toxic friend. Well, what happened there? I don't want to talk about it. Then everybody just insinuates. So no, Amir is not going to do that. So he knows that he's kind of cocooned in a way where if it comes out, he can look at that person and be like, why the fuck would you say that on TV? Amir doesn't want that on TV. So no matter what he's protected. Yes, I do think that it's incredibly reasonable. Maybe I'm in like the 80% ballpark around where it's like, yeah,

ah, I'm good either way. I can say this. It doesn't really matter. And if it does, because he's been able to get out of things in his past, he doesn't really care. He can come back around and just immediately talk to Amira, give her the space that she needs. And within like six to seven months, he's going to be able to sit down and be like, yeah, we're fine. There's no issues here. She doesn't believe anything that Georgia was saying. And it's Georgia's fault that it came out because Georgia and her standing with the rest of the group. he's never really going to be held accountable for that.

All eyes are going to be back on Georgia. Like, why would you talk about this? And I do, at the very least to talk about the Georgia Amir aspect of it, I do at least appreciate it. Amir is so rational. She knows that Georgia didn't know that she didn't want to talk about it on TV. So she's able to like quickly, not necessarily forgive because I do think obviously the motives come into the question, but she's able to at least understand like Georgia

didn't know that I didn't want to talk about this on screen. So I can't fault her for that. That was the one thing that was. was off the board. She didn't know it was off the board. So I can't tell her immediately, fuck you, you knew it was off because she didn't. So at least we can move on from all of that and get back to some sort of copesthetic nature between the two of them. Yeah, I think that they can get back to a good place and we talk about that as much. And I think that Amir is nice enough of a girl that like, we're good. We'll be able to move

forward from all of this. It's a hiccup. It's a bump in the road. And yes, it did cause tension between me and Kevin, but we're working through all of that. And we were working through that at the time of filming, but it's not something I really want to talk about. So we get answers to pretty much everything, and we also get resolution. That's another good, it's a good marquee point of this cast is, yeah, we're going to get messy as shit and there's going to be things said, but we're always seemingly able to move on. There's always something in the future where it's like, yeah, you know what, that door is not completely shut.

Yeah, which is a testament to this cast, you know, and it's, it's going to make for an even better show as they move forward because we don't get stuck on things, even things that are, you know, this is not like a little thing. is a pretty big deal, especially in Amira's life and Amira's world. So the fact that we can move on, the fact that her and Georgia are like, yeah, we're good. And I think the funniest part is as we're watching a lot of this transpire, Georgia and Charlie are somewhat getting lumped together where it's like, look, you both need to figure out your shit together before I can be friends with either of you.

Like this is because in the process of those two beefing Charlie and Georgia, they take other people down. Like that's what Georgia's biggest flaw is. Do I falter for bringing that up to Amira? No, you could question time and place, but I understand what was going on. But the problem is there's always, always, always somebody else

catching astray. There's always collateral damage when Georgia goes on the hunt. And that's where she needs to figure her shit out or she's going to lose everybody on the cast. Charlie's able to navigate that. He's going to have support. You see it right now. And we've seen it kind of, and that's seemingly what he does,

is he kind of bops around because people get tired of his shit. They tap out. Then he goes on to the next person, that next person being Ava right now. Shy, I think will be under his spell forever because I think there's a part of shy that just thinks Charlie's really cool. So I think he's going to have that support. But shy is also able to be friends with everybody else who doesn't fall into the same pocket.

But with Ava, it's like, all right, mirrors out, George's out. Ariane's definitely out. Liam's out. Who do I got? Ava. Come on down. What's up?

Hey, what's up? Ava. Come on. Hey, come on over. Let's chit chat a little bit. And I think that's what he does. So he always has support in some capacity. It's always somebody that's respected and able to discuss things in the group with people paying attention.

And that's what David did. And it worked really well for Charlie. Do I think it's genuine? No. Not even remotely. No. I think it actually serves a purpose at this reunion. Yeah.

Yeah, it absolutely does. And I love shy and Ava being the ones that are flocking to Charlie's side is very funny because we obviously have to talk about what happens with them. Did it fizzle out? Like, give us the best rundown of what happens. I still don't really know what happened. Like, this is one of those things that just gets chalked up to middle 20s, like early 20s dating. It's like, yeah, I don't know what happened.

We hit it off. We went on a couple of dates. I love that we have to bring back the cartoon drawing. of the two of them. I love those. They're so good and I love that they're almost always reserved for anything that Shai's talking about whenever he starts going on like an explanation of what's going on.

We got to get the rundown. We got to get the illustration. Go ahead and break it out. Even for the reunion, let's just do it. So they go, everything seems to be okay. You know, we're moving slow. We're going on a couple of dates. Shai's explanation of running over to that New York restaurant

to try to make sure that they can get in beforehand. And she's like, what the fuck? Why didn't you just like pick me up in an Uber? I was trying to be cool, man. I was trying to be cool. I was just trying to, like, get everything involved. And, like, clearly Ava doesn't understand, even after he explains it. Because I'm sure that he, knowing shy, has this, like, imbalance of, I want to tell her that I came over here and made sure that we could get in.

But also, I don't want her to think that I'm lame for doing that. I want her to think I'm cool because I got us into this place. So I don't know what to tell it. What the fuck do I do here? He probably didn't tell her. He probably gave her a weird description. a weird explanation as to what happens there. She thought it was a little strange,

but they had a nice night. And now the ball is just forever in his court. Like, uh, yeah. I mean, we've gone out on a couple of dates. Like, it's on him. He has to just like bring us out. He has to call me on the phone and ask me out.

That's what he has to do. And he's like, uh, yeah. I mean, I've done that a couple of times. Like maybe I kind of want her to do something. No, I guess the ball's in my court. I'm going to drag my feet.

Like, it's just so funny. And clearly like they're fine. It's got to hurt a little bit to just throw. the board pal around. Like, yeah, you guys are pals. That's very funny to me. Let's just keep on doing that. Like, I want neither of them to change. I love where they're at. And the Kyle cook of it all is also very funny. Like, it stings a little bit, sure, but they just made out. That's totally what happened. They didn't do anything more. They made out one time. That's

totally what I'm going to believe and we're going to move forward with all of that. And I have no issues with that whatsoever, guys, right? No issues at all. Right. Are we good? Are we going to go on another date? I think that they will. But yeah, that's, That's all I got from it was, it was like, you need to stop being a bitch and ask me out. Don't call me and say, hey, do you want to go? Where do you want to go? Call me and say, hey, I got reservations here at 7 o'clock. I'll pick you up and never see you there.

So will he be able to be that guy? I think that watching this show over the next couple of years, given his success with the clothing line, given we kind of saw him come into his own a little bit during the season. He kind of worked off some of that early show jitters, if you will. I think we're going to see Shai's confidence kind of take shape. Will that result in him and Ava dating? I have no idea. That would be funny. But I think that could be a side quest for whatever happens. But I do think we're going to see him come into his own more and more as these seasons go on. I think that's going to be a really interesting timeline given where he started, even starting this season out. Like the shy now at the reunion is very different than shy in the beginning of

season, but he's not a different person, which I appreciate. Like, he's still like a, he seems like a good dude. He's kind of shy, no pun intended. And he's trying to figure it out. So I like shy being part of this cast. I know we gave him shit early on. She had to get to know him. He had to get a little looser on TV.

But yeah, the Ava and Shy thing will never not be funny to me because they're just so different personality-wise. Like, she's very confident. She has what she wants. Then you got Shy who's like, um, do you want to, you don't want to date you. Do you want a date? Should we date? Do you want to date? What's up, dude?

Do you want to go out Friday night or are you and Kyle going out? I can drive you guys. Yeah. No, no. That is reserved for Liam. Liam actually will walk your dog. The dog walker. You're going on a date with another one.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that takes us to Hudson, who is back into the group chat. And we get into the love triangle slash love square rombis, whatever you want to call it. you know, the love situation involving Ariana. We get a lot more as to why Hudson went back to Atlanta. So he went back to start a car company, which resulted in an exploding Lamborghini, which I'm really sure about that.

I would imagine it's either like he went to, if I had to guess, he's probably doing like car upgrades, like upgrading interior. I thought he was doing the influencer rental thing where like influencers rent these fancy cars to shoot their videos and then act like they can actually afford those cars. That's better. Way better. Yep. That's out.

I went too far into like an actual operation. You're so right. It's way closer to an influencer thing. Yep. Yep. Yep. Good job. That's what I put together.

Yeah. And that's a public service announcement, especially if somebody like quote unquote in the industry. If you see some dickhead yelling at you about you're not living life right and you're not successful and he's sitting in a Rolls-Royce, a Lamborghini, McLaren, any of those, it's 1,000% rented. They are fucking broke, and they're probably bad people. If you need any proof of that, look no further than those giant pieces of shit, the Tate brothers who I hope rot in prison for the rest of their lives,

they had zero money. And they had to declare that in court. And then all these idiot dudes following them around with the fucking red pill nonsense. So just if you're on socials and you see that, it's a very common thing. that's they don't own that car like maybe 2% of them own the car but anyway yeah love drago good psa thank you but it's like it's a legit one because i like i've talked to people that get like upset about where they are in life like no joke like i see all these people on instill i'm like those people are so full of shit they sell an online course quote unquote for what was that guy's

name um ashton whatever the guy who woke up at like 5 a m every day oh that guy's broke he's not broke anymore. Yeah, I know. Yeah, so he sold out. Like literally had no money, got that fancy apartment in Miami. You can watch the videos. He'd rubbing banana on his face. That's where Saratoga water got big, the big blue bottle.

He had nothing. That dude was broke as shit. And then he blew up. Now he owns all that stuff. But he did not. You're correct. Great extent. Fit as hell, though.

Very fit. Looks great. Yeah. And he does those wacky videos. Not that fast, though. Yeah, he did like an influencer thing where someone who, actually does. I think he raised I show speed. Yeah, well, speed's a fucking monster. Speed actually is fast and fuck. He's

fast as shit. Yeah, he covered Devante Smith that one time. But yeah, it's very funny. Look, it just goes to show you. You can officially fake it until you make it. Yeah, he did. He's loaded now. It's very funny. That was a funny trajectory. I remember when he blew up on it. I saw him a long time before he got big. I was like, what is this? And then I saw people rubbing bananas on their faces. I was like, oh, no, it's working. It's working. Yeah. Didn't somebody get like a six-figure?

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This is Roxanne and Chantelle. Let's get into it. Love Triangle. Back to business. Liam smitten on day one with Ariana. We all saw it happen. And as we had discussed, not that it takes a rocket scientist to figure it out, but as we discussed throughout the season, what was going on behind closed doors was a lot different than what we were getting on screen. They were having much more in-depth conference.

conversations. The exclusivity one, I don't know if, like, you know, I'm not kissing other dudes from kissing you. I don't know if that's a declaration of exclusivity. I think Liam kind of ran with that one. But at the same time, quite clearly, there was more being said between the two of them. But I think when you break down the whole thing, then we'll talk about, like, who said what in regards to like Charlie being a piece of shit and, you know, the Hudson of it all.

But I'm glad that the group as a whole, and we were talking about this as well, there's no reason to nail her to the cross for this. No pun intended. She's Bible thumper now. There's no reason to, like she was 24 in New York. Liam said it best ironically. And you could also lean on the dog walker thing here for him to kind of eat shit,

which is fine. He's a good dude. But, you know, she fucked up. Shit happens. Like she didn't do anything that's going to ruin somebody's life. She was confused.

She was trying to figure things out. Got out of that thing with Hudson. And we find out, which is like another different layer to this whole thing, as all of this is transpiring. Liam, Charlie, who do I want the back and forth? She's concerned because she finds out Hudson's going back to rehab. So she's talking to his family. Like the push and pull of it all had to be a lot to deal with. I'm not absolving her.

She moved 30. She acknowledges as much. Everyone else does. But I'm glad we didn't have like a pile on it like, oh, you piece of shit. How disgusting. No. You know, no, we absolutely shouldn't have. And look, I mean, it's.

It's no secret that there's no shortage of crazy, terrible, random things going on within her family that I think personally should probably stay completely out of the show. That should not be spoken about. Like, you don't, everybody knows what the fuck's going on with that family. So if she says there's something going on in my life and it's causing me to do this, that or whatever, let's just believe her. Let's move on. It's not something that we should force her to talk about on this show ever. like it just shouldn't be so i believe her fully and look i know there's obviously going to be a camp that's out there saying that you know she's the real problem it's not charlie it's not leum it's not hudson

it's nothing it's really goes back to like leave her alone who the fuck cares it's it's not something that's like going to affect you in your world it's something that unfortunately for her played out very entertainingly on the show so while we're watching this whole love square let's just be thankful to to the entertainment value that we got but yeah i mean finding out leon is a very good dude and he is unfortunately a good example for nice guys do finish last because he was overly nice.

They're going to get back here. I'm yeah, periodically. I mean, that's kind of what I got. No, no. I don't know. I don't think that the end game for Ariana is even in that room, to be honest. I think that she'll probably dip a toe back in.

She'll get a little too comfortable with Charlie at some point. That's going to be interesting to watch. I hope it happens on film. It's going to be a little bit more going back to Hudson because they have so much history together. And then yes, you're right. She will probably get back with Liam at some point because he even says the door is always open for you. He basically almost said, I love you.

Like, he's close. So it's going to be interesting to see how that all plays out. But to get the context of how everything played out, to get the timestamps on how everything played out, like, yes, her and Charlie did kiss while Liam was walking her dogs. Tough thing to hear. Very tough thing. Yeah, we did. The confirmation sucked. I mean, not really.

It's funny. It's like entertaining as shit. It's hilarious. objectively funny. More so like just hearing it's like ah, we do it. But here it gets way worse. It makes it sound way fucking worse that while you were walking her dogs

she was smooching Charlie. That's got to be tough to come back from. That's a brutal thing to hear. Now, the rest of it, I'm upset that we didn't get more on how Charlie used Jesus to manipulate her. I know. I really, really wanted to know

exactly how. And I think we got bits and pieces along the way. I mean, I'm putting my detective hat on here. But he did say, if you really want to hear the truth from Ariana and you really want to understand how she's feeling in a situation, make her swear to God. That was a big tell. That was a big tell. I agree. Yeah, okay. So that's what you were doing. And to find out, again, we're kind of loosely going through a timeline here, but yes, they did kiss and that's it. They made out in his apartment the night that shy and Nava were there. They did obviously kiss on camera a little after that.

Hudson dips in. Text Liam because he finds out from Ariana that they kiss. Text Liam the next day. Brutal. Even worse. I mean, I don't know what's worse. Finding out that you were walking her dogs and Charlie and her were hooking up in his,

in his apartment that you didn't want to go to. Or being as down in the dumps as we saw on camera that night and just reaching across the table and like forcibly grabbing a fry and like shoving it in your mouth. Like you're just completely done. finding out the next day like, hey, while you were going through all of that when she basically broke things off with you, she was making out with Charlie on camera. Like, yes, you had to watch it. And then you also had to find out later.

You found out from Hudson, who Liam didn't believe right away, rightfully so. But Hudson was also spiraling and he needed to figure some things out. Very, very funny. But as we get closer to that Bahamas trip, things are still going on. So I guess things are pretty much done with Liam. We go to the Bahamas. We have a nice trip down there. Her and Charlie then on.

They went to Christmas. together. Then she went to them off. Oh, yeah, Bahamas was in January. That's right. Yeah. So he finds out from Hudson that they hooked up, then still invites her to Christmas because he doesn't want her to be alone. Again, very nice guy. A bit of a cuck, but very nice guy. And

then they go to the Bahamas. And I don't even care about Georgia not being invited. We'll talk about that in a minute. But that's where things get bad for Charlie and Ariana, where supposedly, I guess, is where he's using Jesus to manipulate her to get her on his side a little bit more. And he wanted a relationship with her. She didn't want a relationship.

Bizarre. I don't believe him. I truly do not believe Charlie. I think he's definitely the guy and this is the easiest thing to find out about Charlie. I got the opposite. I thought he was saying I wasn't ready for what she wanted. That's what I took from him. I think that's even better because we don't know.

That means that there's so much, it's so vague that we really don't know what happened. that I love the Charlie under his breath. It's like, I just, I can't keep telling. If I say anything verbatim as to what she said, it's going to be really embarrassing for her. Andy pivoting on the couch was incredible. What did she say? Well, I can't really out her.

You know, that's Ariana story to tell. Okay, fuck you. Ariana, what happens there? Well, it's just, it got to a point where I think that he was just using things and manipulating me in different situations that got really toxic. And we had to break things off right then and there. How did it end? That's what he said.

it end. Oh, yeah, how to did it. Yeah. Look, if you want to dive into, which I got, I always do, and I'm with you, I'm bummed we didn't get to, uh, because when religion enters these shows is one of my favorite things. But if you had, had to speculate what I imagine, given what she's said, given who Charlie is, only God can judge me tattoo. He was using it in a, I want to be saved. And you are my savior. And I'm leaning on. you and when he did stupid shit he would say things like this is why i need you i need help i need to see the light and ariana you are the light for me blah blah blah that's i'm extremely confident that it was within that realm of he was using it like she's my savior and she leaned into it heavy

because that's something that she resonates with yeah but when you watch all of this happen again you get a glimpse into how charlie operates because the hudson of it all where are you using hudson Hudson to get close to Ariana so that she could bang her because you've been talking about quote unquote fucking her for multiple years. I'm so glad Ariana said something about the way in which he was talking about her because that for me, we talked about it a lot. I was like nobody's saying anything like the way that he's talking about this woman who's sitting across the table.

But she said something about that. Anyway, this is how Charlie does what he does. This is another great example of it because no, I will. wasn't using Hudson. It's like, well, how are you going to be tight with Hudson? Tell him to, and the way, what he says, I was telling him, I come back and get your girl, like, show up, do this, do that. And he wasn't doing it. He's like, you texted me to bring a party bus full of bitches. He's like, yeah, that would work. That's what I would do. Like, right. But the way that he says it versus what was actually said are two different things, but he's also

still able to like go, yeah, but you know, same, same goal. Like I didn't say it that way. But yeah, that's how it would have, it would have worked. but in this whole back and forth, he is somehow, and like I don't buy it, and hopefully most people don't buy it. It's very entertaining. But the way that he's saying is like he wasn't stepping up,

and I did, and then out of nowhere we had this connection, I wasn't expecting it. But he spins it to say, this is Hudson's fault. Yeah, I know he's going through a lot. We all have our own shit,

which that drove, I almost lost my mind when he said that. Like, we all deal with our own struggles, which yeah, we do, but the dude went to rehab for a drug addiction, like let's have some grace here, which,

here's the thing that he does. I keep saying this is what he does. But that's another example because he says we all have our own things. Downplays what Hudson's gone through. Downplays recovery. Downplays addiction. Knows that he just did that. Knows that that was a misstep.

Reels it and goes, and obviously I give him so much grace for what he's going through. I'm like, I'm so sorry about a lot. That's not how he actually feels. How he actually feels is we all have our own shit. I don't give a fuck. Oops. Yeah, I do.

I care about you a lot. And he reels it in enough to everybody. there is like, oh, okay, he gets it. It works so quick. But that's how he navigated this entire thing. Yeah, he was being slimy. Yes, he was using Hudson. Yes, he was using Liam.

Yes, he was doing all of these things to prove a point that he could because last year, people told him he couldn't. Then the nail in the coffin was Ariana going, I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. And he went game on. Let's do it. That was it. It's literally all it takes. That's what happened.

That was it. It was a bandetta to get. there yeah yeah it's enough for him to do all of those things and still even after everything even after hearing everything you can still see the majority of the cast looking back like all right yeah you kind of got me kind of makes sense actually in a weird way yeah he's he's going about it the wrong way he's saying all of the wrong things but at the core kind of makes sense like how what do you mean like it's almost like we're watching a friendship that has been developed for for a very long time between him and everyone else.

And they're like, yeah, we've kind of already gone through all of this. We know that he's an asshole. We know that he's going to do asshole things. But at his core, it kind of makes sense. It's like, we're not there yet. As an audience, we're not there yet. Wildly entertaining, incredibly funny. He's great for the show.

I will support his role on the show because it makes it so much better. But we're not there yet. I haven't gotten to the point where it's like, wow. God, he's out of life. If you look at it that way. Yeah. Like, you know, what? If you just sift through all the bullshit, like, yeah, God, he says the thing, he says

the quiet part out loud. And no one realizes it. And it's so right. God, he's so truthful. We need to listen more often. It's like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing any of that. So you expect more people to jump on board with the, fuck him. No, absolutely not. Don't do those things. And it's almost like the, what you talked about. Like, I am thankful that that Arianna pulled, like, pulled that out. And yes, we were talking about him telling Hudson like, fuck that. I'm going to fuck her at some point in time, buddy. Like, it's just a matter of time. We were more so talking about the fact that him and shy went to the bathroom.

He's like, I got to figure out the balance of grabbing her ass. That makes me feel objectified. Ah, yeah, you know what? You're right. I shouldn't have spoken about that. Meanwhile, we take a quick little break and he's in Ava's ear and he's like, yeah, you know, the one thing that she said was, hey, makes my pussy tingle. It's like, what?

Don't fucking say that. I'm still hot mic. He knows your hot mic. He doesn't care. He understands how that works. And he knows. that this is a reunion. I was really hoping when we came back from break there

because obviously we have to come back and check in with everybody, get some final words in, mostly talk about like George's role in the group and if anybody likes her, which was kind of sad, but I do think eventually she'll be okay. But mostly I was hoping

because we've seen this before that they were going to pull that out right away. Like, okay, people in the production room heard that. Let's talk about it right now. I wanted them to do that right, that and there. But I guess we were probably pressed for time or whatever, but we know that this will come back anyway. We'll probably talk about the first

episode of next year, but that's the type of shit that you see from Charlie. He gets out of it. He seems to be on the other side of things. Everything's going to go his way in some weird way. And then he says something. It's like, no, there's your true intention right there. You know that the mic is on. You know

that Ava's mic still on. You know that your mic still on. Whatever it might be. And you told her, you could have waited, but you didn't wait. You either got too excited and had to tell somebody or, and this is probably true, you wanted it on the fucking camera. You wanted it on the microphone

so that we have something to talk about again because you love being that center. And it's a bad center to be in, but you enjoy doing it. Like that's what we need to just kind of key in on and just start talking more about that. And then maybe we'll get somewhere with him. But for now,

everything else is great. And that's what's funny is I wish that I got and brought back up because it explains actually very well what the whole situation was. And I think he actually shot himself in the foot with that one. I mean, obviously for multiple reasons. One, because it's like that's what we're talking about. But two, the implication that he was trying to give on stage was that she fell in love with me.

When you say what you said to Ava, that actually explains what was going on. Not to that graphic level, but that's what you did. You excited her. You were different. You were edgy. You were the wrong choice for the wrong reasons, but damn it felt right. That actually throws all of your claims out the window. She was attracted to you in this idea of the bad boy.

It was exciting and she was going through a lot and she was self-sabotaging as we have talked about extensively. So when he says that, I'm like, that's not love, brother. That's lust. She was into the idea of this. I know. I know. But that's what's funny. is because he's trying to use that to say like,

oh, see, that's how much she was into me. But it's like the thing that's so funny watching Charlie navigate and watching other people watch Charlie navigate and fall for his shit, if you just stay on task and don't listen to what he's saying, you can see through it so easy. But because he is so charming and because, like I said, he has a very curated vocabulary, he knows how to get out of these things.

He's always in these spots. which again points to this is not a great dude. If you don't listen to him, you listen to just the point being made, it paints him as a horrible person that you shouldn't fall for any of his shit. And yet you sit there on stage with him. He weaves this web very eloquently,

makes a little joke at the right time, a little he-he-ha-ha, and you move on. And he skates by. And I don't know, truly. do not know if we have a person on this cast right now that is going to be able to actually call him out and hold him accountable. I don't think anybody on this cast is capable of doing that yet. Yeah, I don't think so either.

It's a star. It really is. He's a star, though. Do we miss anything? I don't think we missed anything, right? We got the bulk. Yeah. Let's see what everybody has to say.

Yeah, the whole Georgia runs out at the end, but that's simply Georgia. If you want to have friends, stop doing stupid shit. Yeah. That's all. She's, she,

I understand the confusion because she probably doesn't really understand if, like, she's not doing anything worse than what Charlie's doing. And yet she's alienated. It's like,

yeah, but he has a certain charm. You're very charming and funny toss. Yes, yes. But lean in on that. Yeah, I do get why people are like,

dude, Georgia's fuck off. Yeah. First one up here from the 86th housewife. anyone else fall for Charlie's apology to be let down again by his hot Mike or am I dumb?

You don't want to answer that. You don't want to answer that. No, you're not dumb. This is what he does. You fell for it, but that's why he's really good at what he does. So no, you're not dumb. Yeah.

But this is, that's his whole thing. So here's the good thing, the 86th housewife. Now you clocked it. So now you know. So next season, keep this in the front of your head.

This is what everyone on that show needs to do, but they don't do it because they want to hang out with Charlie because he's fun. You have to remember what he's always doing. It's always a move. It's always something. So now you know, so it's all good. Yeah.

From SDMWVU, who on the cast would you take to an Eagles game? Literally any of them. I would take any single person or the entire group or any iteration of a group. If you pick and choose three of them, I will be fine with taking any of them. They are great. You can plug and play literally the entire cast.

I would have a blast. Yeah. Yep. From Pat Kearns, who do you guys think started the quote unquote fight last season, Georgia or Charlie? That's a good one. I think that they are like, because they do have history because they've been friends for a while and Charlie brought her on the show apparently. I think that it could be either one of them. I think that Charlie probably instigated, but I imagine that Georgia probably also instigated.

So it's tough. I would say Charlie probably was more of an antagonist, but I think Georgia gets caught up. And I don't think she has a lot of foresight. I think she gets herself. I think she exacerbates things and makes it. Yeah. She muddies the waters enough where you can ask that question and you can defend either stance. Yeah, exactly.

It's crazy. From Jacqueline Michelle Kress. Where do you see this cast going next year? what changes would you want to see? I have zero changes. Zero changes at all. Feel free to add more people if you'd like, but I'd miss someone if you took someone out.

I see more of the same, honestly. Probably a little more input from people like Brooks, Gia, Riley, depending on where they are in life and what's going on. But otherwise, I don't want to see any changes. And I think that they continue to go up from there. I want to see Riley get more comfortable, which I think we watched her do like halfway, through and in the reunion as well.

I think she's still a little bit. She's got some walls up still. I would love to see her kind of continue to get more comfortable. Brooks, I don't want to whack anybody from this show. Like Brooks, I just would love to see him come back next season, not with a chip on his shoulder, but just ready to work. Like I think he can add to this show in a good way. So, yeah, no changes.

That actually leads me to this question from SDMWVU. again, do you think Rowan was a good addition for the cast or two normal for reality TV? We need Rowan. Yeah. We need somebody that's just super normal to be our barometer of things. So yeah, she's perfect in what she's doing. Yeah. This is interesting.

From 77 Carabare 44, there's a couple of questions here. I'm going to try to do them in the right order. Not only is Charlie too old to be hanging out with these young adults, but he's also dangerous. He knew his mic was on when he wrote. repeatedly told or when he repeated what Ariana allegedly told him disgusting. Yeah, he absolutely knew what was going on.

I, listen, yes, in the real world, sure. He's definitely, he's too old to be hanging out with all of these people and maybe he's dangerous on reality TV, however. He is the engine that creates whatever it is that we're watching right now. So I don't want him to go anywhere, but I

understand where you're coming from in the real world. This is unfortunately a different realm of that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's one of the best TV villains we've seen in a very long time. I can understand what you're saying. And yeah, sure, there is definitely going to be a line that he cannot cross. And I think that's something to keep an eye on. But I think as far as this show goes, the reason that we're also enamored with it is because of him.

He is the engine driving this show. He is able to pull the audience back in where you're like, oh, I kind of get, wait, no, fuck him. Like, that's what you want. you want that guy. So yeah, I hear you. And yeah, it's something to keep an eye on for sure.

But as far as the show's structure and how this show runs, I don't even know what it looks like without Charlie. I don't even think you have that you have. You know? Yeah. And we'll end on this one from Beck Gibbo. Charlie got Mike moment or hot mic moment equals deliberate and a lie

or deliberate and truthful. It doesn't matter. No, yeah, it doesn't matter. I think that's that's the truth right there is that it doesn't. doesn't matter because we'll talk about it. It's a talking point.

He gets to do these things all the time and that it results in something else. So, yeah, it doesn't matter if it's a lie or truthful. We'll never find out. Objectively disgusting. Agreed. Gross thing to say. Not defending it. As far as what it does to the show next season and conversations to be had,

it doesn't matter because if he's lying, he'll spin it in a way. It's like, well, it's not exactly what you said, but you did refer to, you're never going to get him to admit wrongdoing. So, yeah, it doesn't matter. Never. But, yeah. sad to see this one put to bed for the year. I do think we'll get it back pretty quickly. I think that this is one of those.

Bravo's been waiting for a very long time to hit on a younger show. Soho obviously was great, but it's more what we're used to. You know, it's kind of the same realm as like Southern Charm. A little more respectful. Yeah, this is something new.

This is something they don't have. So I would imagine they're going to keep trying to strike while the iron's hot. I would guess we're going to get another addition. I don't know if I think, Jack Barlow's probably too young to jump into this cast. But I wouldn't be surprised if we have another Bravo Lev or Nepo baby of some industry jump into this cast next year, which I'm fine with. Yeah.

Just don't get rid of anybody. Yeah, totally. That's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Brab Bros are out of here. Don't you wish you could just hit Skip on the worst parts of your life?

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