Bros & Shows - Welcome Back to The Traitors! (Traitors Premiere Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

What's up Bros? Who is ready for Murrrderrr? We recapped episode 1 of The Traitors and boy are we excited. This cast seems exceptional and very much up for the task, even with trash bags like Michael Rappaport involved. Our traitors have been selected but there is a new addition to the game... a secret traitor whose identity will remain anonymous for the foreseeable future. The first game is to collect and drop coffins into grave sites. However, those with a coffin are now on the list to murder... Who will be killed first? Will this batch of Traitors stick together this season or will we see some more infighting? (Please for the love of god stick together) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, the only better way to ring in our name change once again is to do it with our favorite show. It is season four of the traitors and who's ready for some murder. Does anybody love their job more than Alan? I don't think so. Is anyone better than their job at Allen? No, no, not at all. Wait, what? Better than their job at Allen?

Is that what you just said? Better at their job than Alan. Better than their job at their job. Alan is the best at his job comparatively to anybody else at their job. Is anyone else better than Alan at his job? Welcome back to Tators. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.

Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brough Bros, your favorite show from the Bros for everybody.

For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Deal Russell, joined as always by the one and only Scooter McHuter. What's up, dude? Oh, boy, I had a bit of a scare this morning. I texted you immediately. Spoiler scare. Let's just say there was a lot of things going on last night. I watched an entire season of a certain show on HBO Max yesterday. And then I watched college football and did not watch.

the traders last night. I go into Twitter this morning and the first fucking thing that pops up, which I'm going to have to play this song again, I immediately get a clip of quote unquote, the traders reveal. And I was so annoyed that I was already spoiled for me. I texted you. I scrolled right past it as quickly as possible. But I thought, and I was wrong, thankfully, because I guess it was from Traders UK, which I did they do Traders UK simultaneously? Like, I would imagine opportunity. Why wouldn't they just put both on Peacock, like let them go back. back to back, but whatever. But it looked like Mama Kelsey was one of the traders.

And that's something that I was looking forward to to to see who the traders were. And I was spoiled for me right away. And I was furious. And then I realized, no, actually, it was Traders UK. So, yeah. Why was Mama Kelsey on the Traders UK list? She wasn't. It was a clip of the traders revealing their hoods.

And the one woman in the middle looked like Mama Kelsey very briefly before I was able to fully swipe. passed it and I was already annoyed it in the morning. So, uh, thankfully that didn't turn out that way. So that's really great. Oh, oh, are we playing the game again by the way where we're not allowed to talk about things that happened at the end of the episode. No, I can't do that again.

I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. You know what New Year's resolution. I don't know what the cutoff is for New Year's resolutions. I'm not doing that. I'm not, I'm not placating. Okay. We're going to talk about whatever the fuck we want.

I agree. And this is a better cast already. It's a better show already than last season. Uh, so we're going to. approach it differently last season. We're getting our feet wet. It was an interesting cast. The traders fucked it up from the jump.

This was nice to see. And we'll get into it when we start announcing everybody. Episode one of this show for anyone that hasn't listened to our recap before. It's a lot of we're going to go through the cast and like who we think because as far as the gameplay goes, it's early to really dive into certain things. We'll analyze as we always do. But this is more of like an introduction so that we're all on the same page. then once we get after this episode,

it's much more of an in-depth, like, okay, let's really break down each scene. But should we just jump in instead of because there's a lot to do? Yeah, there's a lot to do. There's rule changes. There's gameplay changes. There's a lot of things that are going to go into this. We also have to go through the majority of the cast.

I mean, we didn't meet. That's the funny thing. When I look at the cast, because obviously I had to pull it up, it's the first episode. What do you want me to do? I have to pull up the cast. And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. we really didn't see Stanberry a whole lot. We didn't see Rob. We barely saw Rob Funches. Rob Cestorino. We saw us all here and there. So like, yeah. Yeah.

So there's some names in here that we didn't really spend the whole lot of time with. Obviously, we spent a lot of time with the traders. But yeah, we need to go through the cast and everything. So let's just jump into it. Let's just jump in. All right. So we start off by driving up to the castle. As per usual, not without a little Alan Cummings intro.

So glad he's back on our screens. This man was made to do this job. As you heard in the intro, nobody, Alan Cummings, like Alan Cummings. But Mama Kelsey obviously is going to be a big sticking point this season. And I love her little sentiment of when you get to a certain age, you've got to reinvent yourself. And you could definitely say that she's done that.

I was excited for her to be on this show, mainly because of what's happening already. Because she is just a mom of two. NFL football player. She's America's mother, if you want to call her that. She's the mother-in-law, soon to be, of Taylor Swift. There is no evidence or anything going on because we've just arrived at the castle. She already, as a, just a mom, has the biggest target on her back because everyone's like, well, she's just so very sweet that it would make so much sense for her to be a traitor. This is fascinating to me, because she's never even been on a reality TV show. You've got gamers.

you've got ruthless people like Rob C, who's won twice. You've got Ian who won big brother. You've got some serious fucking game players here. And everyone's concerned about Mama Kelsey. I love that too because I want to see which way the cookie crumbles for Mama Kelsey. It could either go towards one of those situations where we're just talking about her all the time because she seems so unassuming and because she's so nice and because of who she is. Are they just going to constantly throw her name out there like, well,

you're really nice and I wouldn't be surprised but then never actually vote for her because they are afraid of that. You also have to think about the Swifty backlash. I mean, the Swifties might be coming after you and somebody actually said that in the beginning of this show that the Swifties might just burn the house down if you guys vote Mama Kelsey out right away. That's her soon to be

mother-in-law. So I do wonder if some of that fear just kind of creeps into the mind. But we've seen this and one of the biggest changes here, which I'm really excited about, is that the gamers don't have control. And you know what? I'm turning a new leaf. Last year, we just kind of complained about it because I think their fans are insufferable.

This year, fuck it. It's reality TV people like you and I versus those people. Let's just see them as our adversary because I don't care about them and I don't like them. That's where I am. I agree. And I think last year we were trying to be respectful because it was our first foray into traders. So people were telling us like, oh, well, he's from this.

He's from that. You don't watch that. And people got pissed off about the Big Brother thing. Sorry that Danielle. Danielle was that was her name? Yeah, it was the worst. It's just fucking annoying. Yeah, she wasn't fun to watch.

She was not fun to watch on TV. None of the traders were last year. Last year was a cluster fuck. And now that I've seen good tradery and good things going on in this show, I can say that confidently. Last year was a wash. This cast is much better. These traders are much better. And we're going to get to those traders soon.

That being said, to the big brother people out there, to the survivor people out there, go fuck yourselves. This is about Bravo. I don't give a shit anymore. The gloves are coming off. I want a housewife to witness. shit. Like, I don't care. Like, last year we got a lot of shit from them. I do not care anymore. No, no, I don't give a fuck

either. I was going to, like, you know, slowly get into there, like slowly wade into the water. But no, I'm happy that you ripped the Band-Aid off. And here's the best example. They changed the whole fucking game. They added a whole new wrinkle, which I know they did in the UK as well, but they

did it here. And you cannot convince me that they didn't invent this secret traitor and they didn't pick the traitors that they picked. if it weren't for the fact that the gamers tried to ruin the goddamn game last year. Like they were so bad at this game. Fine, they're great at big brother.

Fine, they're great at surviving on a fucking island for 65 days. Congratulations. That's awesome. I don't watch that. But what they're not good at is this. And we proved that last year. Boston Rob was the only one who seemed to have a nose for the game.

Everyone else was just turning on each other immediately because they think too deeply. It's just a bit of smoke and mirrors. It's just a bit of trying to sway people this way, sway people that way. It's not that fucking deep. And immediately right away, and Rob C, I'm sorry, I don't even know if I like him or not. But he's already thinking too deeply in this episode. It's like, dude, just like, it's a very simple game. Just play it normally.

It's not that fucking deep. But they changed the whole, the whole format, the whole scheme of the game because of what the gamers did last year to the show that we love. So here you go. This is going to be much better already. It is. And we have the big reveal. obviously the new rule, but not before. We get everybody walking up to the castle.

Lights are all off. We get this also like fire show as everyone pulls up. And Alan, we get his walk up. He looks gorgeous as usual. What a fit. This man is always dressed to the nines. I'm so excited to have him back. Now he announces, we will be picking our first trader right here right now.

Initial reaction. I was like, eh, I don't love that initially. Well, I didn't know how it worked, to be honest. honest. And I'm still a little confusing, or it's still a little confusing because of how they're doing it. This is why I think it's a fail safe, though, because I will explain the rules of the secret trader right now, honestly, because we kind of find out as we go through, but it's better to just do it up front, in my opinion. They pick it right then and there. They know you open a box, you see a card in there. You're the secret trader. Try to not obviously make a face so that everybody else can see you.

But the whole thing is you have no contact with the actual traders, with the three traders that are selected later in the episode, you're the one who's sending in the short list. This is a production trick at the very least. Yes, I'm sure that that trader, whoever it might be, which we're not pretty to, which I actually like, and this is a good way to do it. I get it until we started watching. I'm like, oh, you know what? Because it adds an extra wrinkle of when they're in the tower, you're like, okay, so these people are on the list. So that means that they're not. So it's actually, it added an extra dynamic to the show. I wasn't expecting that I really enjoyed. Yeah, I can see it that way too. But we talked about it a little bit last.

year how fun it might be for us to not know who the traders are because then we get to play the game. I think this is the best of both worlds where no one knows who this is. And they will, as Alan announces later, they will unite at some point. I imagine, you know, towards the end of the season, if they're still there. I'm just confused as to what happens if they somehow dumb luck their way into voting out the secret trader. Like what happens then? Do we get a B-roll of all the things that that secret trader was doing?

That's what I'm assuming anyway. or are they going to be kind of protected in a production way where they'll just make sure that they stay on until towards the end? I don't know. I'm not going to read too far into that because it's a good game show. But at the same time, I think it is good because it keeps the traders on task. Now, obviously you flip from using gamers to using reality TV stars, but what you do by doing this is giving them a shortlist from the secret trader to the other traders.

It allows them to not fuck it up. Like, hey, we're not doing this weird shit where you guys turn on each other. it just becomes a whole mess and we don't want to deal with that again. Here's how the game's supposed to go. We're going to have somebody do this. So I think I like that as from a ghost writing standpoint. Yeah, I agree. And I think that there's no real way to protect your secret trader.

I mean, if they get voted off, they get voted off. I think that it would, that's what's fun about it. It doesn't drastically change the game if they do pick off a traitor because then they just get control and not for nothing. But once you get into episode two and three, you'll have. understand a bit more. I know I'm not going to spoil anything. I put in the questions because we had this problem last year when they did multiple episode drops where people were asking questions that would then spoil it for me

and I would get mad at them. So I threatened suspension. If anybody asked a question that's pertinent to episode two or three, I will personally be suspending them. Oh, nice. I like that. I don't know how that works yet. We'll figure it out.

I'll figure it out. Yeah. But everyone's just kind of feeling each other out as we're walking into the castle. We don't know who the secret trader is. Only that person knows. And again, like Shooter said, that means that they come up with the shortlist and the other three traders pick off of that short list to kill. So again, watching it home, you can take that short list and you can try to deduce, okay, so it's not one of these four people at least. So that is had like another fun level to this game I wasn't expecting.

So nice job there. And like I said, again, then I'll stop repeating myself. If you pick off that person, nothing really changes. It's actually going to be really interesting to watch the traders around the table go, oh, shit, and see if they can contain themselves when they find out if they do it a round table or something like that. But anyway, everyone's feeling each other out. We're just, you can always see people will flock to birds of a feather. So you've got the gamers over here. They're talking to each other, specifically the big brother.

People are like, okay, you've been on my show. I've been on my show. So we can team up. We should link. On the other side, you've got the housewives who are minglingling. a bit more than I thought they would, which I liked. They're kind of bopping around. And you get Candice in a confessional.

And I had Candice pick to be a traitor. I was like 99.9% sure. I don't know why. But her line of people think that Housewives are Ditsy, especially after last season. Because we had a lot of Ditsy play from Housewives. I'm not saying they are all Ditsy. I'm just saying there's a lot of Ditsy moves that we witnessed.

Candice is not Ditsy. Porsche, not ditsy. Dorinda can be a bit ditsy, but between those two, they're pretty intelligent and they're pretty good at this kind of game. So for her to point that part out, now I'm thinking, okay, are we going to see a housewives alliance throughout this thing? Are we going to see at least two housewives couple up and be like, hey, we're going to carry each other at the end of this thing, hoping that would be Porsche and Candace.

But what do you think? I mean, I think that this is a better crop of housewives. if you remember last year, Dolores and Sandoval, which was very, very funny. Robin Dixon. Robin Dixon. Like, they were, and I love Dolores. I'm indifferent towards Robin. I don't really care.

She's not on the TV anymore. I love Rina. I think Rina is absolutely perfect for the show. I think that she was awesome on Beverly Hills until her last two seasons when she started overproducing, which now, in hindsight, I understand why she was overproducing, because no one's fucking doing anything on that show. So now, all of a sudden, I don't think it's Rinnah's problem. I don't think it was her fault.

So I'm on her team. I like her. Obviously, we love Candace. Dyrinda getting a second shot is simply funny as shit. And it would be incredibly funny if she were somehow go home very early on. But I do think it's a better crop of Housewives. I think it's a better crop of reality stars in general, if I had to guess, you know, versus the gamers.

And then throwing in the other celebrities, too. You got a couple of figure skaters in there, which I think is admittedly very funny that both Johnny and Tara were talking about how they're. not going to act like they know each other. It's like, we know you know each other. What are you talking about here? But either way, I think it's a better cast overall, if I had to guess, just kind of just up front,

just first feel. I think it's a better cast. I agree. You got people like Jam Jam. He was a Survivor legend. I even know who he is. You've got a lot of really, yeah, he's phenomenal. And you got Monet Exchange.

Awesome. There's just a lot of really great personalities on this cast that we were missing from last year, I think. And then you bog it down with a big bag of shit like Rappaport. Yeah. He looks like the embodiment of the clap when I see him on screen. I was so happy to see the people on the show were getting just as annoyed about him.

Yes. Same. Because I was annoyed even just seeing his face, his first face pop up. Like, uh, dude. Gross. You're acting. And he can't believe he even said this, but he acted up front like, I'm your ally. I'm basically one of you guys.

And then he said it later, I'm basically a housewife. Like, what fuck? What are you talking about? No, you're not. We actually all hate you. No one in the Bravo world enjoys you except for Andy. Yeah. I don't get it.

I never will get it. And because of that and because he's been allowed to commentate on so many things, reality TV. And it shows through his gameplay and conversations. He thinks he's the foremost expert on all of this shit. And he comes out of the gate way too hot and heavy. And I expected this out of him, but he comes out just like blah, blah, blah, blah, talking to everybody, laying out what should happen, trying to dictate things.

This is what I expected out of Brapaport, but I didn't expect it to happen in the first fucking day. He's literally walking around trying to map it out for other people in the game as well. So he immediately puts a target on his back. So for the foremost expert, you would think that he would be playing it a little bit cooler. I'm very interested in this potential alliance between Monet and, And Jam Jam. I love this conversation. Fantastic.

Yeah. The way that they were going about things and obviously they have admiration for each other, they just seemed like such a unique and genuine conversation that immediately spills over into, all right, like, who are we looking at here? Let's try to figure out who this secret trader is. They both look at Mama Kelsey. They're like, I don't fucking know. I don't know what's going on here, but you got to keep an eye on her.

That's really funny to me. The way that they were going about it was incredible. Jam Jam just has such a way with words that he won me over immediately. Same. Same. It's just their vibe overall. It's just that was fun. I felt like I was part of the conversation.

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matter i imagine the traders are picked before we even get to scotland but i like to think that maybe someone's on the bubble and that conversation can sway him. I don't know. But we sit down and playing duck, duck, goose, as we always do. And we land on our traders. We get Candace, Rina, and Rob R, who is the snake tamer from Love Island two years ago. So already this Traders Tower dynamic is substantially better than last year. Because you've got Rina, who's just electric.

I didn't realize how much I missed her. until this episode. You've got Candace, who is going to be a good game player. She's going to be able to play this game, how it's supposed to be played. If she can do that successfully, I don't know, but I do know that she's going to do her best work. And then you've got a guy like Rob, who is much more a quiet presence there. But after watching him navigate episode one and two, I'm a little bit further ahead, he's good at this. And they balance each other out well.

So I was really excited that this was the crop of traders. It seems like much more of a team. And if you remember last year, again, not totally ragging on the gamers again. But as soon as they unveiled their hoods, they're looking around like, ah, I got to be weary of this one. I got to make sure she doesn't get me. That's like, that's not how we're supposed to do this. You're a team.

And you can tell right away, even as soon as they selected them. Like, this is just a much better crop of people who are going to take this seriously. And they're going to team up and they're not going to go against each other because they've no reason to. Now with Candice, she immediately makes a faux pa, which I don't really put this one into too much of a negative side because she's just trying to be a faithful discussing who you think might be the traders. But she goes right into the fact that Rinnett could be one because she feels like it should be. I think it would make more sense if you stay away from the housewives because that's what they expect you to do. And that's what they expect everybody to do because none of the gamers are going to be like, well, you know, I saw Jam Jam on Survivor and he was incredible like misdirection and all this and that. Like you didn't really see any of that.

You shouldn't see that on housewives either. They shouldn't be turning on each other so quickly. No one really picked up on it. But obviously us at home were like, all right. Like dial it back a little bit. You don't want to go after Rita. You're going to have to swing that one back. And she did something later to.

I wrote it down. Yeah. We'll get to that after the grave digging. But I think it's just, it's just such a better crew. And it feels like there's going to be a lot more cohesiveness when it comes to that. And obviously with the new rule change, they have to select from where the secret trader is going from that short list.

So it's going to be way more on task than what we were used to last year. So that's already so much better. But I love it because right afterwards is exactly what you expect. Everybody's walking around trying to feel each other out. And you've got Rappaport holding fucking court in the kitchen yelling at Rob because Rob is being quiet. He's like, that's going to get you in trouble. It's like, no, actually, you yelling at Rob across the room is going to get you in trouble. you dumbass.

Exactly. And that he's doing too much out of the gate because he thinks he is the foremost expert. That's exactly what I was saying. Now, with Candace, I agree. And I know what she's trying to do. This is her thought process of how to get ahead of things early on. I will say if you're going to stumble, stumble now. So I'm glad that this happened because when they meet in the tower immediately after the

meet and greet where Rob gets called out. So they're all huddled up. in the tower, that's a quick moment of correction where Renna's like, whoa, whoa, and Rob's like, we got to walk that back. She's like, absolutely, absolutely. That was a good learning moment for Candace to be like, okay, reel it in a little bit, which I think is going to make her play. Same. Yeah, because now we get to be like, all right, she can approach the rest of the game knowing that you really have to be careful about everything you say. And I know that she knows that already, but that's a good reminder of, ooh, shit, keep it close to the chest. So she's going to walk it back. I was curious how

she does that because now she can call a lot of attention to herself if she brings it up in a weird way. Yeah. But the vibes in the tower are better in one shot than we saw all last season. Because like you said, when we get the pullback of the hoods and Rob comes in last, but Renna and Candace are just geeking out. Ooh. And then Rob pulls his head off. They're geeking out. And we make a truce.

Fucking thank God. We make a truce. Hey, we're a team. This is direct. a response to last year's traders meeting. This is a direct response to we're not going to do what they did last year and fuck this show up out of the gate. Everybody in?

All right. Ready break. That's what I heard, honestly. And that's what you can read between the lines for, but also Candice offering up the piece of information that she did already float out Renna's name. She didn't have to do that. And last year, we would have never seen that in a million years. We would have gotten a confessional from Candace saying, well, I don't.

really know. I guess I got to take her out now. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Like, yeah, I guess I have to vote her out right away. Let me pull Rob for a chat. Like, no, we're not doing that. Let me tell her right away and get ahead of this just so I know. And you can tell the Candace has watched the show before.

I don't know if Rob has, but Rinna has. And you can tell Candice understands what's going to happen. She already floated Renna's name out there. Now she knows that Rina is a fellow trader. So if she goes back to the round table and all of a sudden, people are talking about how Candice brought up Renna's name, we're going to have a shitstorm again. So no, let me walk that back and let me admit to you right away.

I didn't know you were a traitor. I feel bad now, but now I'll try to do some damage control. She already offered all of that up. So that gave me such a sigh of relief. Like, thank God, this is so much better already. But they find out, of course, when Alan walks in, the secret trader, you will not know who it is. The audience doesn't know.

Only Alan knows. And the traitor, of course. And they'll provide you with a list of short names. Now, this is where I got a little confused. I thought the secret trader knew who the other three traitors were. It seems they don't. Nobody knows. So they're playing two different games within the game.

That's fun because not only is that going to come into play, because we're going to get to a point I'm sure in some way, shape, or form, where the secret trader is going to throw in a short list and two of the traders are going to be on that list. That's going to be wild. But also, we've got these three traders trying to figure out who that secret trader is based on the names that they're giving it. So it's like a game within a game within a game. That's very fun. We also get to play.

Yeah, and we, yeah, and that's the most important part. It keeps us engaged. We're going to be at home guessing. It's very fun, and you can read the tweets, I'm sure people guessing, and here's all the evidence that I have and this and that and whatever. The first episode, there's no way that we can really narrow it down that much, but it's still fun to play. Yeah, and that's what's interesting watching this show and watching episode one from our stance is that from what we've gathered in watching this show for a little while is you can do so much more damage than any kind of success you can have in the first one or two days. Because you're not going to sniff anybody out.

You're not going to be the one faithful in the history of this show that sees something that nobody else does. All we have really seen early on is people do too much and put a target on their back and get voted off as a faithful and fuck everything up for everybody else. So that's where, you know, Johnny and, uh, what's her name? The other, Tara, Tara, uh, Tara, uh, Tara, uh, Tire Lepin. Sorry. Yeah. Um, I think they're doing it well. I think Rob C is doing it well, especially somebody like Rob C with his resume.

Like, you really got a, you got to lay low without calling attention to yourself laying low. And that's like by finding somebody mutually kind of the same as you and just kind of hunkering down with them and acting like your chit. like you're chit-chatty with each other, maybe walking around, but not doing things like Rappaport, who's going to pull everybody. Okay. And remind you, everyone out there, Rappaport does not have a team. He is not a housewife.

He is not a gamer. He is just a D-List celebrity that lucked into a lot of roles, despite him being a piece of shit to a lot of people. So remember that he's on an island, trashbag island. That's where he stands. Okay. And if you like Michael Rappaport, you're going to read. really hate us because this is going to be the whole season. I despise this man.

If you like Michael Rappaport, we're going to change your minds very quickly. Yeah. Because you clearly don't know enough about him. No, just go look what he did to his ex. Okay. Anyway,

uh, speaking of X is go look and see what Colton Underwood did to his ex. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's who. I'm not going to sit here and be nice about Colton either. Like he's a fucking dick also. That guy's a piece of trash.

And I think that everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people glossed over what he did because he then came out. You know, and then kudos. to him for doing that in the space that he's in in the NFL as a football player. Like, yes, that took a lot of courage. I'm not disparaging any of that.

That does not take away the fact that he stalked and, not torture, harassed and terrorized his ex for an extended period of time. So if that doesn't drop that off the map and Rappaport will always and forever be a big bag of shit. Glad that we put that up. The rest of them I have no problem with. The rest of them I have no problem with. Yep.

Agreed. But anyway, Rappaport, who is teamless on shitbag island, he is going to call out. The two biggest factions that you have here, because he's not limiting it down. He didn't say we've got two from Big Brother over here. He said we got five gamers and we've got five housewives. So statistically speaking, guys, at least one of each will be a traitor, which you're almost right, not quite. It statistically actually does work out because two of the housewives are traitors.

None of the gamers are. So it's still the same. But you have just called out the two largest groups here. So if you're correct, which you are in a. away, they're immediately going, well, see it, dude. Like, what an idiot. Why are you standing there voicing your opinion about the two largest groups in the house, you dumbass?

Yeah. He's just, I can already tell what he's doing. He's trying to get ahead and he's trying to show everybody like, hey, I am an expert on this show. I know you might be good on Big Brother. You might be a good housewife, but I watch the hell out of this show when I'm sitting at home alone with no one around me. I watch this show by myself and I take notes.

It's like, okay, dude, you know what's going to happen? You're going to go home quick and that's going to be funny. Exactly. And we're all going to love that or which I don't want to happen, but I could see it happening. Him thinking he's so very important might get people to just turn away from me. Like we don't have to worry about him. I know he's annoying.

And of all effect. Exactly. Precisely. The sand of all effect. Exceptional in this role and so much funnier. Yeah. Well, that's the difference. right and that's credit i will give to sandival now because that was the reinvention of tom sandival

on last year that was the one big thing we got from the show was a lot of us had to just grin and bear it and admit sandival's pretty fucking entertaining so pretty entertaining yeah we're like you have to wake up and watch traders and before you watch traders you have to realize and admit to yourself nothing's ever going to be as funny as him grabbing that doll and doing the reverse uh nursery It hasn't. Like, you're just not going to have a moment like that. And you just have to accept it now. You're going to enjoy this season.

But in the back of your head, nothing's ever going to top that. Yeah, but let's get to the first mission. We've got coffins on the lock. And Alan dressed as a coffin. Phenomenal works, sir, as always. But here's the game. There's 30,000 total available to earn for the pot. You have to go find a crate or sorry, a coffin that has a dollar sign on.

it instead of an x you have three teams green boat led by colton our boat red by rob and that's uh red it worked out really well because green boat uh they then announced was gay boat so gg uh red boat was rob and then the left over one was w white stephen and stephen's white so yeah that's what we're going with that's how i mapped out this this in my head i'm like okay gay boat red rob boat and white Yeah. That's incredible. I love that. They split up into teams, and as they're going to do this whole thing, they find out when you drop the coffin into an empty grave, each grave has a headstone on it with one of the cast members' names. If you put a coffin in there, you are then putting somebody up before death. Now, as everything goes, we have two teams kind of team up together.

that's not the point I really want to get into. What I want to talk about is, obviously it's a mad dash. It's the first game. People are just trying to do the game. Should they have listened to Rob C and slowed this whole thing down and foregone some of the money

to be like, hey, as a team, let's strategize. Because this is a really good chance early to really pick on some people and really put people up for elimination. Like if they really sat down and thought about it, it's like, hey, we can knock out a couple big hitters or one big hitter right now. Or do you think they went panic mode and just started dropping coffins? They went panic mode and just started dropping coffins, which I think was the whole point of this. They didn't give them a ton of time to deliberate.

Here's the game. This is what you have to do. Split up into your teams. Get out there. So you don't have time to be like, okay, once we do this and that and whatever, the sign is on the other side of the lock. And I'm assuming, and this is how it played out, they understand one boat is. going to do really well. And Rob's boat did really well, got right out there,

grabbed the coffin, got across. They were like, this game, dude. He's, yeah, I think he's going to be incredible at this game. But he got right across the lock with a coffin. They read the sign. So they know, but it's just them there. It's not like there's another team on their heels where they now get to deliberate. They just have to look right away.

And they're like, whatever, who the fuck cares? Just throw it right in the coffin. One thing I did notice, they didn't show us like the full view of whose coffin was where. they just kind of zoomed in on wherever they decided to go, which I think is good because people like me are looking back like, okay, the secret trader who you definitely don't want to get out of this game is probably tucked away in a corner,

which no one brought up, by the way. I'm surprised that they didn't bring up the placement of the graves because they're not going to put, like yeah, they're going to throw a trader over there. Like Rob's was pretty much front and center as well. But the first one, who was the first one?

Rob, I think. Or Ron punches. Ron, no, no, no. Because Ron says, he's like, I'm in the back over here. Like you had to go find me to put it in my call. I thought he was front and center. Okay.

Either way. I don't think so. I could be wrong about somebody. Somebody with an R name says you had to go find mine to put it in there. That was, that was intentional. Uh, yeah, they did. And I'm not remembering who that was. But I think the first coffin was Ron and they dropped it right in there, which makes

sense. It's fine. It's front and center. But the placement of the coffins, I think is very, very, very. Rappapaport. I wrote it now, which, of course he has a fucking. contemporary tantrum. He's like, oh yeah, he flipped out.

Are you? Yeah. It's the game, dude. What the fuck? There's nine other people with a coffin. Shut up. God. Also, the reason why they sought you out and threw it into yours, which we found out later was because they teamed up. But it's also because you're a douchebag and they hate you. And we hate you. So of course they want you out of the fucking game. But if they had done that and shown it, maybe you see someone over here in the corner. And it's like, well, the odds are they're going to put them in the front first.

They might team up at some point and then start doing it. but the odds that they're going to go all the way to the back corner and throw a coffin in there when time is of the essence, which I was surprised. I think you probably were too. When the clock starts ticking down, usually it's like visual effects and camera bullshit. It's like, this was real. This was real Allen. I was so surprised. I knew you were.

Yeah, he was counting down and I'm like, all right. Yeah, oh, sure. They tried to get it into Portia's grave and here they ran out of time last second. And I love the rap report. It's like, who the fuck decides that now? It's like, I do. The clock. He goes, based on what?

He goes, the clock. Like, that was an incredible moment. But I like the way that they set this up because it doesn't give you a lot of time unless you happen to cross paths with another team, which worked out twice, which I really enjoyed. I forget which boat it was that actually got the double dip. I think it was the green boat double dipped. Green boat double dipped. So they had originally set it up with Rob's boat with the red boat that they wouldn't go after

each other they'll go after the other team yeah that works out really well i'm happy they did that but that's how they ended up going after rapaport one because he's a huge piece of shit two because he's on the other boat it's like okay rapaport we know we can fucking hear him over there he's he's in the middle of the lake and we can still hear him let's throw it into his grave that makes sense and then you get to double tip and then you're double protected and they don't need to know about that because they're still out on the lake so that works out really well so i like the way that they did that and i also just like the in-game strategy i think natalie's going to be a problem She seems to be really good at this.

Not only that, but like, she's fucking strong as hell. You see her yank the shit out of that coffee and pass the back? She's shredded. It's awesome. She's ripped. Yeah, that was sick. And that's what's cool about this cast as a whole, I think. You have a lot of very capable people.

And that's like across the board, across all shows. And I think that is a credit to casting. And I think and hope what happened is they looked at last year. And there was quite a few people in that mix where you're like, All right. I know who that is, but this is an all-star cast. These people are all household names in their own right. So I do think that this is a response to last season.

I think that's where we got the secret trader from, as you pointed out earlier. So I think that when you do something like this and you put this together with the intent of like, hey, we need to like really one up last year. And it hits like this immediately where I was pulled in and then you see the coffin thing. and you're watching the reactions. And I'm like, this is, even Rappaport being a little bitch about it, I was like,

this is a great cast. Like, this is working really well. They're feeding off of each other really well. We're not getting, which we did get last year pretty quickly and throughout the whole thing, just little bickering, like incessant bickering.

Right now we're getting complaints and that's fine. But we're getting people, they're clocking it and just putting it in their pocket instead of being like, blah, blah, blah, and going back and forth about it, which got irritating to me a lot. So it all hammers down and we get the nine up for murder because as you said, Porsche did not get hers in the coffer.

Porsche's coffin was not dropped fast enough. So we got Ron, Rob R. Donna, Eric, Rappaport, Ian Durinda, Rob C. And Mark are the potentials up for murder. Do you think in that group because if I'm secret trader number one, I'm dropping a coffin in mine, Do you think our secret trader is in this nine? No, I don't think so.

First, I thought maybe it was Mama Kelsey. I think it might be Colton. I don't know. I think it's going to change, obviously. It's just one episode. Here's my question before we continue to deliberate about the secret trader. I'm sure we'll do this a lot. When we get the clips of the red cloaked trader,

do you believe that's the actual person? Or do you think they're putting extras under that it confuses? Extras, a thousand percent. Because that plays a big part. Yeah, I even thought that immediately when Alan was saying, and we've got our secret trader and they do the whole camera angle of walking up to Alan, they just kind of yank it. And I'm like, there's no one actually there. I don't think. Okay.

Yeah, I wasn't sure because the stature initially, I'm like, okay, I think that that looks like a smaller person. But then I saw it again later. I was like, that doesn't. That looks like a larger person. So they might have done that intentionally. Who do you want the secret trader to be? I think we'll do that. Give me two names who you want it to be.

Who I want or who I'm suspicious of? Who you want personally. Okay. I think that I would love for Eric because he's so unassuming. And people have said as much too. Like he's really not on the radar. People have used him in potential scapegoat territory already, which shows you that they're not thinking of him as a threat.

Well, he's on the short list, though. I know he is, but that's more to my point, too. That someone's like, oh, like, we're going to throw up a smoke screen by getting Eric out of here because it's going to throw people into a frenzy. Like, oh, God, if he's up for elimination, then we're all fucked. But I would love if he was and I think Jam Jam would just be so good at it. Jam Jam, based on what I've seen. So I would say Eric or Jam Jam, probably. But my suspicions are pointing towards Mara.

Okay. Oh, Mara, Mara would rock, too. That's such a like an... That's where my suspicions are going. My two are Kristen Kish and Johnny Weir, mostly just because I fucking love Johnny Weir. I have such a, like, platonic and respectful crush on Kristen Kish. I think she is fucking incredible. Like, did you ever watch Fast Foodies?

No, I don't think so. So they did this show, or was that what it was called? Anyway, she was part of the culinary cast on there was three people. And they would take and review like Taco Bell cheese gordita crunch. And then they would have to, one, remake it as close to the actual cheese gordita crunch as they could. And two, the second meal was reinvent this into something else. So they'd make like a cheese gourdita.

That's fun. It was a great show. But obviously that and Top Chef, I think she's just incredible at what she does. So I was stoked when I saw her on here. But anyway, you got Kristen and who? Kristen and Johnny Weir, because Johnny Weir, because Johnny Weir, I love Johnny Weir. I also think if anybody has any possible shot,

not that I think it's even capable or anybody's capable of this, of potentially rivaling Allen's wardrobe, it might be Johnny Weir because he came in hot with that cape, and I loved it. He looks great. Wait until episode two. His fits are top notch, yeah, I'm sure. Top notch.

Yeah, they're really great. His breakfast fit in episode two, I really want. It's so good. Anyway, I guess I just spoiled that he doesn't get killed. He wasn't on the short list. He wasn't on the short list. Yeah. So, oh, now we definitely can do this because you know it's a short list now.

So it's not like you have no idea. Yeah. We shut up. Yeah, shut up. Leave us low. Really serious. We just want to watch the fucking show. Yeah, just shut up.

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The nine on the short list or the coffin list have to stay and fill in their grave before they can go back. I'm glad they had dinner for them when they returned this time. That was a big sticky point for Dorinda last year and the rest of the crew. But on the ride back to the castle, I tend to think post-mission car rides are where you get some of the best information just as far as body language. Who's saying and doing too much? So I always pay very close attention when we're riding back. Candice is talking to Porsche. Candice brings up to Porsche that Rappaport said, let's do the Housewives.

Now, I do believe somebody said that. I thought I heard that during the game. And then I had to do like a double triple take as they break it down later because he definitely said something about the Housewives the day before when they got to the castle. I thought I heard someone get off the boat and yell, let's do the housewives. Am I mistaken? I think you're mistaken, yeah. When they got off the boat, I'm pretty sure they just said, find an empty grave up front. Find an empty grave up front.

And then somebody yelled out Portia. So it was just, I think, a reaction like, who's empty? Oh, Porsche's empty. And then you yell Porsche. But it could be, yeah, I mean, like in the grand scheme of things, when things are going on. I mean, a lot of them were still out on the boat. There was still another boat out there.

They were coming back in. So you can make things up and just say you heard this or heard that. The way that Candace then spins it. And we'll just kind of go right into that too, because that's the first thing that we talk about when we get home is, well, do you think that any of the traders are actually there? Did you guys think that any of you nine that had to stay behind or any of the traders? Did you get any vibes?

No one caught any vibes because the only trader that was left there was Rob. and he was like completely stoic the whole time probably helping everybody himself that's why it's so big yeah he's really good at this so he's very unassuming at least at this juncture but they immediately go into what what was talked about on the ride home and Porsche has an issue with it I heard that Rappaport was going after all the housewives and he came after me so I've got a problem with that Candice sitting in the kitchen because Rappaport immediately vehemently denies that which he was he's not wrong he didn't say that He just yelled.

He is so emotional about it. He is very emotional about it. He's like, let's go fucking talk to that person right now. Portia doesn't throw Candace under the bus immediately. She just says, someone said it. And he's like, let's go talk to everybody. We have this whole thing in the kitchen, which I love when things go down in the kitchen, just seems so much better for some reason.

I don't know why. I agree. And you're going after it. They're serving. Yeah. That's why. There we go. I like that.

I know. That was really good. But, yeah, Rappapaport takes offense to it, has to find out who said that so that he can deny it to their face, not so he can then say, you're lying, why are you lying? Which, you know, if you watch as much traitors as Rappaport apparently does, that's what you should do. You should point out inconsistencies. This is weird.

I didn't say that. Why would you be telling Portia that I did say this when I clearly didn't say it? And you've got, I think it was Ron that was standing behind them like, yeah, that didn't happen. So you've got somebody who has your back. You're in a position of power right now, Michael. You've watched this show a million times. you should understand how this works, call out Candace.

That's very weird and inconsistent. Candace spins it in a pretty good way. Now it makes Porsche look crazy because all she said was, I said that Michael said something about going after the housewives, which he did and enough people were around that they can comment on that. But now it makes Porschea look a little crazy. I know. I don't think to the level of, oh, she's a traitor and she's lying about things

because I think it was just a moment of panic for everybody. But it was enough that it at least got the heat off of Candice's back almost immediately. She played it so cool. She played it really well. And I was actually surprised that people didn't double down a bit more on it. Yeah. I kind of question, especially Rappaport to fold like a wet blanket was very funny. But with Portia, I feel like I think this through her.

I think this changed up how she was going to approach the game because she was caught so off guard. And I think that this probably was something. than to, I don't know, just throw her off track of what she was trying to accomplish in this game, which is a good move on Candace's part, especially because she's not shying away from the sisterhood thing, the housewives sisterhood. So by leaning into it still and being like shit, like not throwing Porsche under the bus, being like, whoa, whoa, why are you bringing me into it? But not co-signing entirely.

She somehow takes herself out of it. I would have personally, I think, I like to think that this is how I would play if I was on the show. I probably am going to apply for the normal one at NBC. So, yeah, why not? Stay tuned. We both need to apply and that would be fucking sick if we got on there. But anyway, I think that I was expecting more backlash for Candy Girl. Did not get it.

So that gives me a lot of confidence in our traders so far. when you look around the castle as a whole, Rob with the coffins is doing a great job. You've got Candace, who is getting more involved, but has yet to overstep and kind of lead people back to her, which we've seen in episode one last year. We see it all the time.

So I'm glad that she's able to get involved, but not do too much. And then you've got Rina being Rina. And that's why she is such a good traitor, because she has changed up nothing. This is just who she is and how she acts. So no one's going to look at her. and be like, why are you being so extra?

Why are you being so this? Why are you being so that? That's a weird comment to make out of nowhere. But if you know Rina, it's not. She comes up with random shit out of nowhere all the time. So I'm looking at our traders right now because I'm team trader for the most part that may shift. I'm liking what I'm seeing. And then we've got somebody floating around here that we don't know.

This is like going to be a tough job for these faithfuls to try to pick these guys apart. Yeah, I'm definitely team trader right now just because I feel like the traders dictate the way the game's going. And right now I like where the game's going. So I'm going to give them the credit for it. And yeah, I mean, you can probably just give Alan and the rest of the team that decides who the traders are the credit. But I don't know who those people are.

I'm not going to give them credit. I'm going to give it to the traders. So right now, yes. And that's where I want to live. That's where I want to be when I'm watching the show. Especially early on. I don't really want to pick sides that early on. Yeah.

I'm going to have favorites, of course. I'm going to root for one or two people that I really enjoy and who's really putting on a good show. I don't know where the chips are going to fall. But right now it's just a matter. of enjoying the show. And that's kind of where we want to live. And I think that is what you were alluding to early on with the first episode jitters, if you will. It's not what you called it, but just people coming in and doing too much, playing the game and overthinking it too hard

early on especially. Yeah. Because I think that's when you draw attention because you think you need to come out and make a statement or do everything you can to not make a statement. And in doing that, you end up making a statement. So overall, and this, This is what I'm looking at from the faithful side. I'm like, all right, well, who's playing the game casually, just trying to figure things out? You've got people like Monet Exchange doing a good job. Jam Jam's doing a great job. You've got Mara, who I'm kind of on the fence about.

I think she puts herself in precarious spots sometimes. Ron, I think, is, did I mention Ron as the secret trader? No, you didn't. I said Mara, I'm suspicious of Ron is my other big. of Secret Trader because, and I think he'd be a great selection. Ron Funches is in his career the funny, unassuming comedian, right? He plays those roles like he was on ballers. He played the role of like the best friend and like just kind of he's there.

Ron Funch is a very, very, very smart guy. And you know that from his comedy routines, his subject matter. But he comes off as just, you know, this gentle, nice, quiet. Dude, I think that he has the makings to be a phenomenal trader because he's very trustworthy. People gravitate towards this guy because of his tone and how he speaks. I think that he would be my top selection now that I'm going to run it back. I think Ron Fung just makes one of the best secret traders you could have because of his overall demeanor, how he carries himself.

And nobody suspects him of anything. Yeah, yeah, you definitely could be on to something there. Now, the way that this episode ends, we don't know who gets killed, but we do get our shortlist. And I did not write down the short list, nor do I want to look it up because I know that's going to tell me a spoiler. And I don't want to see a spoiler. So why don't you go off on the fun, on the little fun short list. Yeah, I got you, Doug. We got in the Traders Tower on the short list, Rob R, which sucks, because now we don't get to, you know, have four people to pick from.

But you got Rob R. Ian, Mark, and Eric. Noticably missing is Rappaport. And here's why that one surprised me. Even if you think he's a faithful, he's a bad faithful. He's throwing too much out there. He's confusing people. He's stirring the pot too much.

There's two games going on here. You need to find the traders, but you also have to get rid of liabilities because they're going to drag your team down. So I was shocked that he wasn't on the list the first time, through. Who were you surprised to see on there or omitted from? So I was actually excited that Rappaport wasn't on there because what that does, now I know that they can get murdered, but Rappaport can still get sent home after they're murdered because now all of a sudden it's why is Rappaport still here when he's doing so much? And that's what we saw a lot of and

that's what we see a lot of on traders is the person who is definitely a faithful, but trying too hard and being a bad faithful, when they don't go home, it's like, okay, Why didn't you go home? And then the traders can even look and be like, well, that's kind of weird that they didn't put Rappaport on there. So I think it's actually good gameplay by the secret trader, by whoever it might be. I'm actually going to have to hold out my opinion on whether or not the secret trader is actually putting these names in or production is. Because I don't really know which way it's going to go. And I'm okay with that for now.

But I'll wait and see who the secret trader is and then decide, okay, no, this was actually the person who is definitely putting in those shortlist names. But surprising to not be on it. Mama Kelsey, I think. I think so too. It just seems like there was a target on her back and then all of a sudden it just kind of evaporated. But it could have just been a little smoke and mirror. It could have just been a little misdirection where we did see Jam Jam and Monet Exchange talking about Mama Kelsey, but that was pretty much it.

I do think it is more going to be, one, I think a lot of people want to spend time with her because then they can be like, wow, I rub shoulders with Taylor Swift's mother. That's really cool. two, they're probably scared about the backlash. So I do think that she's going to last a little while. I don't because of all of that. Yeah.

Which is interesting. We did get that report in the off season or while they were filming that supposedly her and Derinda butted heads because she thinks that Durinda drinks too much. So I'm going to wait and see how Derinda drinks. Although I don't think they drink a whole lot on the show. They might have a glass of wine or two.

I don't think that they keep, no. From what I've gotten, trust me, I watch the booze. From what I've gathered from this show, there is no limits. People tend to drink. Some people don't drink. But I've gathered because any alcoholic out there knows this. We know. I didn't even notice any booze.

I know. I haven't noticed any booze in the show. I know. It's like, it's this like weird sixth sense where you're always, like I tell you all the time when we leave a restaurant or if we go to a bar or something and we get up and I'm like, that guy didn't finish his drink.

Like you always see things like that. So I'm always paying attention to the alcohol. that's what I've noticed is some people have a couple some people don't drink at all but I don't think there's any limits which would be really funny if you did have a like a drunk moment on this show could be fascinating to watch it would be unbelievable because like what happens if you get a Dorinda slurring her words and accusing everybody like that would be very funny that that brings the housewives world into this that's exactly uh yeah I don't know I've been watching like older seasons of Rooney and they get drunk all the time and they do some stupid shit.

That doesn't happen in Housewives anymore. They're too meticulous. They've got too much shit going on. They've got their own personal brands. Let's get rid of Housewives personal brands. That's my new agenda. I know it's a long show do this on, but yeah, none of that. But anyway, here, let's do this.

Let's do this. I've seen episode two. I will do the questions just in case so you don't. That's fair. Have to spoil. Does that work? Got you, Doug. Thank you, Daddy.

Thanks, Daddy. All right. Here we go. I will start with this, since we're Bravo-centric here. K. Looker Woods, which Bravo player are you most excited to watch and think will go the furthest? Rina. Yeah. I think I'm most excited to watch Rina.

I think Candice is going to go the furthest. Okay. I think that's fair. Let's see. Oh, here you go. Erica Marty, not Traders-related. Can you watch heated rivalry? Shooter's already done.

I got it on my docket. We are going to review it. So buckle up, everybody. We've got some potential time to do that. Yep. Throw that out there. Let's see. From Ryan Stone Man 83,

do you think Lisa is playing it smarter than Candice? I don't think smarter is the right word there. They're playing different games. Candace is being a little bit more boisterous, which goes in line with her personality, although I would say Renna's also boisterous, but Rina seems to be just kind of having a good time and slip it into the background,

which that'll change. After one episode, I think they're kind of playing their own game right now. I agree. I think that you can't really compare the two, but I think they complement each other well, especially when you got Rob R over here as the strong silent type. Yeah.

They're meshing well thus far. It'll get messy at some point. It always does. Yeah. Let's see. That's funny from J. Veda Hut 713. Mara got that selective memory like Jen from OC.

Yeah, I fucking loved that. That was so funny. The way, and like those moments happen in this show where you'll be so steadfast and I'm watching at home and I'm like, yeah, no, that didn't happen. But someone else in the car just flat out doesn't remember. And instead of being like, I don't, I don't really know. I'm not really sure. They're just like very much the other side.

Like, nah, I didn't hear that. I have no idea what you're talking about. Even if we saw it on. So you're like, I don't remember what team I was on to begin with. I don't even know what the hell is going on here. It's like, why don't you say that? I don't know. From Vanessa Tori 11, do you think Renan will be too obvious as a traitor given her overall villainous persona?

I think if anybody were to call it out, it would be Rapapur. But I don't think that the rest of them really know Renna to be a traitor too much, at least from what we've seen. There hasn't been a whole lot of fanfare for Renna from the rest of the cast. Yeah, and I think when you're on a show like this in particular, it's risky to play that game. Well, you're a known villain. It's like a lot of these people have been quote unquote villains in their respective shows at some point or another. That's why they got here to this point because you could also replace the word villain with winner. Who's the most vindictive and you can use a lot of adjectives.

So I don't think it's, I think it's a stupid way to play the game based on people's past and history. That's why I think that Donna Kelsey approach that everybody's taking is so dumb to me because they're like, oh, well, just because she's so sweet and loving and this nice, innocent mother of America, like that, of course they would pick her. You don't think the fucking producers have thought of that? Like, what would happen if they put her on the show and what the overall sentiment from the audience and the cast would be? We're all thinking that. So it would be really dumb to force that in there because we're all expecting that.

So for everybody to look around this room, you've got winners of Survivor, you've got winners of Big Brother, you've got a lot of conniving smart people here. And you're spending so much time on Donna Kelsey, who is no more likely to be a traitor than anybody else there. But you're wasting a lot of conversations on her. Right. That's what I think, at least. I agree. Plug it in, plug it in. Let's see.

I do a couple more here. Oh, from Sav Suza. who would you murder first if you were a traitor and why is it Michael Rappaport? That wasn't the question I added that for it. It is Michael Rappaport. I know. If we're going to leave him aside, I just because I feel like, and I appreciated this, but because of the strong showing that we saw, I would probably say Natalie because she just,

and again, it changes every year. She was the only one who really showed like a good. knows for the game and showed up into that like hey i've been a gamer for a while i understand how these things work i'm going to take charge right away her and rob rob was more and you can convince others that he was just good on a boat and he's like i'm going to tell you guys what to do because i know how to fucking row a boat but natalie was more let's grab this one let's put this one here like she was a little bit more showy so i think that that would probably be my number one i think i would go for and dev always gets frustrated when they go for the gamers first

because it's like you need those people on the show they're good at this, which I agree with. But from a traitor standpoint, if I'm a traitor, I'm going after the robs, the Ian's, anyone that has won Tiffany, anybody that has a good background on their show of a gaming show,

get them out of here. I don't want to compete because they also play differently than you're probably going to play. As we saw last season, and I would like to see, the whole dynamic shifts. Not, and like I don't hate gamers by any sense.

I mean neither. The fans kind of know of the shit out of me, But if you're going to play a game, if you're a smart individual, you get rid of the ones who are going to read really deep into things. Get rid of them. So then you have to deal with, and this is not a knock on housewives, but you have to deal with the ditty housewives. And that's not that hard to do.

No, depending on who you're up against and like everyone else as well, like, you know, Ron Funches, comedian. No background in reality TV, at least to this degree. So like, I'm just playing odds. And maybe you have it in them. We don't know. And like that's also part of the charm of this show is, You could get a comedian.

You can get somebody who hasn't been on a game show before who just somehow has the sense that they need to win this game. But that's a surprise. And it's also great to watch when you're in the audience over here. But you don't really expect that. So you kind of have to take that risk. But the risk that you don't have to take is leaving the gamers in there. We, I guess, for the show to work, yeah, you need the gamers. But if I'm trying to win the show, I'm getting rid of the gamers immediately.

Yeah. And that's, you know, not a knock. because you said we don't hate the gamers. No, the gamers are fine. I mean, Danielle is just, you're playing odds,

right? Like their whole thing has been on shows that your job is to eliminate people. So I'm just playing the best odds I have is get the people that are accustomed to it off of the show. So that would be my approach. Do one more. Oh, interesting. From the mellow knee.

That's your name, Melanie? The mellow knee. Lisa and Candace brought a knife to a gunfight in episode one. It's like they did. did zero prep, really. You think that too? No, I don't think so.

I don't either. I thought they played it well. I think Candice runs the risk of almost doing too much, but I think that she reeled it in well enough that people aren't suspicious of her. I think that you're watching three very different personalities in traitors playing the game a little bit differently than each other. We need the trader that's going to be a little risky. You need that person that's going to push the narrative a little bit, and that's Candace. You know, it could bite her in the ass for sure.

Like, I could definitely do. much very quickly and she could out herself as a traitor, but you need to have that person. Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. And honestly, the way this show is going to work and how it should work, within the couple of first episodes, they're going to get a traitor out. I mean, last year was an anomaly. It was bizarre. We had the traders infighting and somehow none of the traders went home until a trader sent another

trader home. So, yeah. So that's not really how that's going to work. Usually they're going to have some sort of done luck or a trader's just going to shoot themselves in the foot, which, you know, that's just gameplay. That's just how it's going to play. But I didn't think that Rina and Candace did too much necessarily. It's still early on.

And I don't think anybody was reading into it. Yeah. And like I said, if you're going to stumble, stumble now. Correct. Because in two episodes, some of, I agree with you in that regard. In two episodes, some of the things they did early on would probably be more suspicious than it was originally. Definitely.

But I think we're in a good place. I really do. I think that, you know, we'll find out, obviously, I'm sure we'll probably have that episode out Monday. um episode two but you know we'll find out who gets killed and if you know all these things like don't spoil it you can spoil episode one but don't spoil it for everybody else and uh i don't know i think that we have a really really good cast i think we're in a really good place uh coming into the first couple episodes of this season so i'm i'm stoked i'm with you absolutely well

that's all i got uh we will be back like i said with episode two and probably three honestly on monday stay ahead of everything. So we'll be all caught up on traitors. And yeah, I'm excited for this one because we get to interact with you guys more too. It's just like a lot of back and forth of what we're all thinking. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, Robbros are out of here. God, that feels good. There are names that echo in the world of true crime, names that carry unanswered questions. Oakley Carlson, a five-year-old girl who deserved safety, protection, in love. Yet this The system built to protect her failed and Oakley disappeared. Her community still calls her name.

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