Bros & Shows - Welcome to the RHOD Pod- RHOBH S12E04

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

We got a new franchise! We touch on Dubai before diving into the Crystal drama after she throws around some Sutton allegations… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures. And see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, Lisa 2026 X-E-90 plug-in hybrid from $599 bi-weekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event.

Conditions apply. Visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. D.C. high volume, Batman. The Dark Knight's definitive DC comic stories adapted directly for audio for the very first time. Fear, I have to make them afraid.

He's got a motorcycle. Get after him or have you shot. What do you mean blow up the building? From this moment on, none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a home run. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Brav Bros. The podcast from the dudes for everybody, for whoever.

wants to give us a listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Shooter. Shooter, how are you tonight? Well, Steele, it is Wednesday, June 1st, and I am officially tired of Doreet's shit. Hey, welcome to the club. Yep. I knew I'd get here, but it took a little bit longer. I wanted to give it as much room as possible, but I'm definitely here. Yeah, no, I'm, honestly, I'm surprised it took you this long to get here but you're welcome well welcome with open arms come on in pal everybody knows i'm a umphatic creature empathetic creature you're an emphatic creature yeah i'm an empathetic creature just like my girl sutton um wanted to give her as much uh time as possible to work through what she had to work through but yeah no fully tired of her shit and leading every episode with

it is it's exhausting yeah it's draining yeah it's draining already and you know we'll dive into all this shit later but i'm it's refreshing to hear you say that because as i watch her more and more it's getting a little bit tougher and a little bit tougher and a little bit tougher each time i think i was honestly it was like because there's always the surrounding questions the conspiracy theories and everything but now all that's gone and i'm just i don't care yeah it's i've i'll be honest i've lost interest in like really diving into their shit because now it just seems like I'm rewatching the same scenes every week. Yeah.

And again, we'll, we'll get to that stuff. There's, there's some things I want to touch on before we reach the housewives of Beverly Hills, but we will definitely talk about that more because I'm psyched that we're on the same page about it because it's been driving me fucking crazy. Yeah, I finally got here. I wanted to, I wanted that to be the first thing out of my mouth. I appreciate that. Yeah.

Starting off with a bang. Absolutely. Thank you for that. I was going to start off of something much different so I'm glad that you took that route. Well, we can get into this now.

Well, no, I just I would need to make a confession. Okay. After I do the intro every time. So I don't know if this is a thing with other people. I have a difficult time saying my name.

That's the host, co-host of a podcast having to announce it every time. And it's, It's something I need to address because if I say, like, I'm stealing something or, like, any other version, like a steel beam, it comes out, like, very easily. But saying steel Russell, it forgot how to say your own name. No, no, it's like getting the words out of my mouth is a difficult task for me. I get that.

That's fine. steel russell yeah all right but steel steel beam it's fine do you have a hard time saying Sean no no not at all but if anyone else has this issue when it comes to their own name please like reach out and give me some support because I feel like a total moron but I just wanted to let you know that if you ever hear me struggle with the intro in the future guys I'm trying my best well thanks for letting us in to your thoughts Yeah, no, I'm glad to have shared that. That was going to be what I was leading with.

So I'm glad that you stepped in with something much more interesting. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I'm here for. Well, as usual, we're going to dive into just kind of what's hot. What's hot this week? And the first thing I need to talk about is Ramona Singer 100% blowing the lid off Teresa's wedding with the invitation. and do you know what happened? Do you see all this shit?

No. So Ramona is invited to Teresa's wedding for whatever reason. And I guess Jersey, New York, you know, they're close, right? But Ramona goes on Instagram and posts a video sharing all of the info on the invitation, showing the invitation like a picture of it. So on the invitation is a password to get into Teresa. and Louie's website of like their invite so you can RSVP online you can see what else is going so people have been going on there like constantly to the point that the whole site crashed

because they would go in there and type the password and say oh I'm Joe Gorga or I'm Melissa Gorga they like get in there so like people are starting to find out I'm Joe Judeyce yeah yeah Joe Judice oh fuck no he wouldn't be on the list oh but that would be funny that would be really You can write one in. Oh, I don't think he can do that. I don't know how it works. Maybe you get a plus one, you have to write his name in? Yeah, why not?

You think everyone just started writing Joju Dice? Yeah, Joe Dice times 30. Should we try it? Yeah, we can do it at the end. Okay. All right, we'll save that for the end. Stay tuned as we try to get onto the hacked website. Ooh, I like this.

I like this, but anyway, Melissa is not one of Teresa's bridesmaids. officially, according to that website. It's not that surprising, I don't think. Really? Yeah. Not even a little bit? I feel like she probably doesn't have that many. Maybe it's a smaller wedding.

There's no way it's a small wedding. I just mean like bridesmaids-wise, maybe she only has two or three. You know why? Why? Because Louis has no friends. That's probably true. All of his friends were alienated when he got removed from his company. Yes.

So that probably tracks. Yep. So that's why if there's a small number of bridesmaids, It's because Louis has no friends. Yep. I believe that. So as usual, just Ramona fucking everything up. But, you know, nothing crazy.

It was just kind of a funny little moment there. And then another moment, Renna is blowing up Instagram. She posted some newties on Instagram that I heard about, allegedly. I didn't. But. Brow pros. Brow pros. Staying true to our name.

Gentlemen. Yeah, we're a gentleman first and foremost. But there was actually something legitimately interesting about that that I wanted to talk about. And that is that, the picture set that she posted is from a book called Room 23 by Diana Jenkins. Interesting. And it's pictures of Renner from like a while ago, like at least 20 years. Is it like a portrait book or is it? That I should have probably looked into a little bit more.

That's fine. But I think what it's about is the Chateau Marmont in Beverly Hills, famous hotel. Yeah. I think it's about the stories that took place in Room 23. Oh, it's short stories from that room. Yeah. Accompanied with pictures. And I think that Rina has her own stories about the Chateau Marmont that she did.

You know, we all do. Who doesn't have a good Chateau story? Absolutely. You know what shit happens in the chateau. You haven't lived. You don't have a good story from the chateau. Guys, if you have not been to the Chateau, Marmont, do yourselves a favor. Room 23.

Also read my excerpt in Diana Jackis in book, Room 23. No free ads. Anyway, what that kind of got my mind going a little bit. How far back are Diana and Renna? Like, what? Is there more there? Because when I saw them at the dinner originally on the first episode, I didn't think, I thought that Reno was reaching.

I thought she was trying too hard. I was like, oh, like she doesn't know her that. Well, she wants to get in with Diana. Come to find out, she's known her for an extended period of time and his, his, wow, and is in her book. Yeah, but I feel like that could be a couple, a number of things. I mean, if we were to actually look at the book, maybe there's 50, 60 different short stories from different people. I can't imagine somebody like Diana keeps close with 50 to 60 people. She probably keeps close to like less than 10 people in my imagination.

Yeah. So I don't think that she's talking to Renna. Maybe she talked to Renna 10 years ago, got the book going, whatever, published it, did it, and it's over with. Or there's a chance that, you know, we're a year removed from the filming of this that they worked over the past year if the book just released. Maybe she worked Renna in as one of the stories. this is an easy fix where's my phone you can look this up

room 23 let's see when it came out but that's that's essentially what I'm thinking is there could be a lot of people that are just completely disconnected from Diana Jenkins who wrote this or

maybe she didn't even really write it maybe she just was the backing behind it March 2015 oh so a while ago okay a while ago this is before there would have been any discussion of Diana on housewives. Yeah.

Again, I'm still sticking to my theory that Diana's probably not that close to a lot of people. So it could just be, like, who knows who else was in there. Maybe there's a Pamela Anderson story. Maybe there's, I don't know, a number of athletes or actors or actresses or something that came forward and said, I stayed in room 23. It's a famous room. And Diana wrote about it or put it in a book rather and had them write about it. I don't really think that they're like that secret best friends because that would that would show in a number of ways during filming.

That's fair. I don't think that I'm saying they're secret besties. I think I'm more saying like is there more of a connection? Like are they is that going to, I'm waiting for Diana to team up with somebody. Like it's going to happen. Yeah. She's grooming people. And I told you last week she's not oblivious.

she knows exactly what the fuck she's doing and she's planting seas left and right you can see her working and I think she's going to pick somebody soon and Erica wants it to be her so bad and I don't think it's going to be but is it going to be Rina? Does Rina

have a leg up on the competition? You know everybody wants to be Dian's best friend so I'm just waiting to see where the shoe falls. You could be on to something. I think I'm on to something. Hot take. As long as there's secret meetings with Dan, it don't take place in a store because she's allergic to the dust.

Deathly allergic. Definitely allergic. And her assistant is just very, very, to take your word, emphatic about her being serious. This is not a joke. It's not a joke. Like, okay. Yeah, we get it. Nobody in this room is going to act like it is a joke.

Trust me, because they'll probably die. It was also very funny when she was doing the, she was getting makeup before Sutton's store. They were like, oh, yeah, like, do you go to many stores? again we just did this last episode yeah with the Kyle store yeah but Diana still said no I haven't been to a store in forever it's almost scripted she was at a store three or four days ago oh that's a really good point so like yeah yeah she even remember does she even that she probably doesn't even classify Kyle's as a store she probably was just like oh yeah there's clothing around is this what a store is maybe oh in her mind she was just like oh

this is a fun party with clothing around with clothes and signs yeah she probably doesn't understand like the idea of like commercial small business right now this is just a party with clothes and crooked signs yep let's get into something really exciting we got a new franchise and that means we have a new acronym no that means we have a new acronym that this one actually kind of works if you make rod yeah rod welcome to the rod pod holding on to that for a fucking week. Is this why you've been doing this? No.

All right. But you could argue, I wish that was the reason that this has just been like a bit the whole time leading up to the rod pod. We might change the name. But yeah, we got a good glimpse of what the story is going to be for Dubai moving forward. We got, I don't know, a very, very brief intro to each of these new housewives or one of older ladies of London, but I don't know where it's going to go. I think you and I both kind of see eye to eye on the fact that it seems like it's very edited, super like the cut scenes seem like kind of a low budget TV show, but very high budget for a housewife show where they

have those like, they're getting dressed and ready and they're like walking in different directions with different colors and stuff and like the cuts are going on. There's a lot of different things going on that you don't see in other housewife shows no they're clearly making an effort and this is where i'm curious if it's going to continue like throughout the whole series like they're making an effort to play up that it's Dubai yeah like this magical incredible like wonderful city where it's just glamour and fucking all the bells and whistles all the time and i want to say it's a city where anything can happen but as we know there are a lot of things that happen there that get you arrested Yeah, you can get arrested for a lot of stuff.

I was actually really curious about how that was going to play out. Like, how were they going to film all this stuff and not end up with, like, problems with the law? Like, if you remember back, I think it was either Jersey or New York, the housewives went over to Dubai. It was Beverly Hills. Was it Beverly Hills? Yeah, I think so. Oh, okay. Well, anyway, they argued.

It was like 2016. All right. you got dates wow come with receipts fuck yeah um but they got into a public argument and it almost became a legal issue and i think somebody stepped in or they got out of it somehow but like that's like number one on housewife shows is public arguing like that's one of the reasons that we all watch is to watch public outburst yeah i feel like it's going to be a lot different than like Jersey Housewives going to Nashville and having tables flipped over and things like that when you can actually see other people.

I think as we can see like with Caroline Stanberry's hen night that, or hen party rather. Hen part, not a hen night. Head night. Oh, same thing. But they were out on a boat completely away from everybody else. There was staff there. Maybe below deck staff. I think we got a below deck cameo.

Not enough to like even throw a name out there, but they were probably in there. One of those stewards has been on one of the below decks. Yeah, not many degrees of separation. I don't even know how many below decks. How many boats are there? Like 16? I don't know anymore. Two?

But I do think that what we're going to see a lot in Dubai is less of the public outbursts, way more of the private dinner parties, away from other people. Because they can't get away with more. If somebody has an outburst like that in the middle of, you know, a party at the Burr's Caliphah, someone else who has way more money than all of them combined is going to say, nope, and they'll probably get completely excommunicated from Dubai. So I just don't think that we're going to get any public outburst like that. It'll be all private.

Yeah. And I think you kind of saw that with the dinner, like the setup at the end of the episode. And I will say, the ladies are interesting. Like there's a couple of them that, you know, again, it seems. It all seems really played up. It seems like they're very self-aware of being the Dubai Housewives. Like, everyone wants to be that, that main bitch, you know, like that head, HBIC. And like to the point where Ayan is saying in four different languages, I'm a badass bitch.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, like any Housewife show, you can also read a lot into the intro. I'm not even talking about the introductions to the, to the, to the, to the, the women the intro to the actual show in the middle you get stamberry and ion and then it kind of pans out from there every show is like that you get the two in the middle yep or the one in the middle for some of them that are the hbic and then you get you know kind of the standout like along the sides the new wives that come in or whatever might be on the edges but the two in the middle are stanberry

and ion ion is i don't even want to call her polarizing but it seems like she just doesn't care and she just makes everything about her. She doesn't give up. I mean, to the point where she doesn't want to hear stories told unless she was there. Yeah. Unless I'm a part of it. I don't give a shit.

Yeah. Like to an extent I kind of like I get it like so I you can kind of see it like playing out and it was prefaced with Ion and Lisa at lunch and Caroline Brooks called Lisa. Which Lisa then immediately put her on speakerphone. I know what a move. Just a bold move anywhere. and unless you announce like hey you're on speaker yeah that's how you intro a speaker call not only that but she also said to caroline brooks oh yeah i'm meeting up with ion later ion was sitting right across the table ion being ion from what we understand i'm already talking about her like i know her she immediately doesn't take shit and she looks at her and she goes we're at lunch hang up like and then caroline brooks could probably hear her say that but we found out later that she didn't even know that happens but no everything got convoluting there, but you can tell that there's already so much built-up drama before the first

episode with some of these women just really not liking each other, mostly Ion, whether she doesn't like somebody else or they just don't like her. It's a lot of the same. I could see her being, I very well may like Ion. Like she seems to be really intriguing, but she does seem like a difficult person to get along with. Yes. Well, you got to talk about her the whole time. I mean, who sits down at dinner and the first thing you say is like I looked at myself and I love myself. Like, I'm hot as fuck.

Like, what? Yeah. Doesn't say a word to any of the other way. No. Just hugs to a couple. She gave like a half ass like you look beautiful. Yep. And then immediately he was talking about how beautiful she looked.

Absolutely. but to the extent that she got pissed off about who likes to sit at a dinner party when and she didn't know that Sarah didn't go but who likes to sit at a dinner party and have everybody around them talking about an event that you weren't at most of us just kind of sit there and like smile and nod maybe if you really want to get involved you ask a question if you're really not hurt that you weren't invited to this but she was just like I don't want to hear about this I wasn't there I wasn't invited I understand like sure that you would get a little aggravated at some point like hey like all right move it along but when it's still in the intro phase

like you just sat down I think I mean obviously they could have cut it to where this has been but if they just sat down they're like they're just running through their most recent interactions like that's the basic intro to conversations like hey man I haven't seen you since this like you go over like your last run in so I think you've let that play out before you step in Well, we're talking about level-headed normal people. Right, that's true. I don't think that she's one of those. But to your point, I agree.

You kind of let that pan out and see where it goes and then jump into the conversation when you can and direct it wherever you want. She took more of a spearheaded approach, a very blunt approach. Very blunt. I think she's going to continue to be very blunt. I think she's going to be fun. She's going to be fun to watch. Yeah. Good TV.

Good TV. Yeah. No, I guess since I'm not emotionally invested. in any of them yet, I'm on the same page as like, I want to see some shit blow up. Yeah. Like, I want to see stuff pop off. That's exciting to me. I think as I start to pick my favorites, I'm going to lean more towards, like, my normal

point of view where I'm like, all right, she's a nightmare. Like, I don't like her. Like, I see that happening eventually. But for now, I'll take the freakouts. I'll take the blunt approach to everything. I'm cool with that. So, like, we'll see where it goes. But I will say, like, the overall just experience of seeing Dubai and people that live in Dubai and, like, the luxury that comes with it and how they live there.

Like, that shit was so interesting to me. Like, just the day-to-day stuff and, like, the buildings and the houses they live in. And, like, they, the one guy was it, I think it was Lisa. Yeah, Lisa and her three boys. she spent $1,200 to have them drop ice in her pool. Yeah. It's 103 degrees. It gets up to 130 there.

But you've got to still have a pool outside. Yeah, in that sense. I mean, if you're dropping that kind of money, why wouldn't you just, you know, make the pool in like a temperature-controlled room, put a roof over? You're not outside. I don't like indoor pools. Yeah, you do like the Florida thing.

You put like the screen doors up. up and the everything is that going to do i don't know but it doesn't control the it's a screen it'll block the sunlight marginally well i don't know but i'm just saying there are other ways to get around it except for dropping off huge blocks of ice yeah that's outrageous especially because she's like you can have anything just as a phone call away that was the like even if i knew that anything was a phone call away I still wouldn't think like oh let me call my ice guy

to drop some fucking ice in my pool go inside turn the AC on and then go jump back in the earth go inside and turn it like 110 degrees so that the 103 degree outside and there's no way the pool is 103 degrees it's probably like a 72 degree pool no I think it's definitely hotter

there's no way it's not hot enough to justify spending $1,200 to have people put water inside of water. Well, I think it's also just kind of what they're creating with this show is we have fuck you money. Right. What do you do with that? Like you said yourself, I would have never even thought to do something like that.

No. They already did. They've done it before. So we're going to see a lot of that, I think. my issue that we could see moving forward with this show is if the housewives and their dynamic isn't interesting enough once the Dubai stuff goes away once we get used to it we've seen a lot of the big buildings we've seen a lot of the money being thrown

around we're going to get a little bored I think so I just hope that the housewives can give us some good stories otherwise this is going to get old pretty quick. I think where we are going to rely on some stability in that department, like pointing it in the right direction, is Stanberry. And I love that everyone in the show refers to her Stanberry because I will from here on out only call her Stanberry. Yeah. And she has already corrected two or three people. Yeah. No, that's my surname. Yes. That's my surname. Not my last name, my surname. Because she's a lady of London. Well, we'll see where the show goes overall, but But a couple things to keep an eye on what's going on with Stanberry's husband.

Oh, Sergio. I mean, it's just her toy boy. Her toy boy. Love that. Yeah, toy boy. By the way, not once, not twice, but thrice. Toy boy. Toy boy.

Toy boy. And I think he's going to be a toy boy in a lot of different ways. It seems like he's always out with the girls. He wants to be a housewife of his own. Just a heads up. any brav bros listening right now don't go to the bachelorette party no let let let let your soon-to-be wife go to her bachelorette party alone i mean he learned pretty quickly they were trying to do the the the hot dog in the bottle and she was like eris stanberry goes who who made these

hot dogs bigger than you sergio yeah and they were like reasonably large hot dogs but still that's very kind of you to give sergio that one yeah but i i don't think of you think that he even realized that it was like a dig at him or but then she goes this is like us every night or did he say whatever no she said it what what are you doing yeah well i think she was making it very clear i didn't want you here but you're here anyway oh you think that's what it was yeah for sure but she kept saying like the whole night like oh like he wouldn't have missed this for the world well anything that i've heard about stanbury from ladies of london is she was a cold bitch.

Yeah, but did you hear her, in her own words, she's now softer? I could care less. That's like Erica Jane saying she's softer. It's not true. I mean, I'm excited. I am excited to see the, the Sergio Stanberry shit because... It seems like he's there all the time. Yeah, and I think Lisa said that it's like a contract relationship or something like that,

which I made a comment before I even heard any of that, before I knew. like the age difference and like the whole situation when they were in bed together in the morning like the first time you meet Sergio they kissed and it was that what's that what's up is that what you want to call that a kiss that's what I'm saying yeah like that was awkward yeah watching that was uncomfortable it was like a mom kissing her son and the time frame was super interesting she was going through her story about her in Dubai and she said she's been in Dubai for six years she came here with her ex-husband and then who knew that I'd get divorced five and a half years later right so that means she's been oh no seven years it was seven years it was seven

all right so my math was off because I was thinking that in that six month period she met surgery and got married it was a one but the difference is six months so it's like a one year it's still a quick turnaround yeah I will say I'm not going to comment as much on like the age thing just for the sole purpose that like yeah whatever yeah it gives a shit like dudes do it all the time yeah if you want to get that that young sweet ass you go right ahead absolutely go ahead stanberry with your bad self go off go off queen but yeah it'll be funny to see how it goes and like i said hopefully once the uh the dubai factor runs its course we're not bored uh hopefully ion can keep our attention longer and create some fights yeah

and stanberry will be that that salty vet to hold it all together love that Let's get into what we all came here for. Roba. We're actually in Laquinta. It is the morning after that blowout at Kyle's house. Like the aftermath, the girls are sitting around. They order some bloodies. They order some limosa's delivered.

Dropped on the front doorstep. And they're shooting the shit trying to get to the bottom of what happen with Crystal and Crystal's at brunch with Sutton and Diana. She was supposed to be. Allegedly, but she wasn't because Garcel finally just says let's call her up and like let's try to get her over here. By the way, well that

that's all happening, fucking Bambi is eating off of somebody's played again. Oh yeah. Like, come on. I love it. I thought there was a... Oh, by the way, to jump back to fucking Dubai? Stanberry's dog is Pissing on her bed Like get a hold of these fucking animals Yeah there's a real trend here

Going on with bad dog moms Yeah and it's it's not fair to the dog All right train your dogs Housewives of Dubai and Beverly Hills Like I'm tired of seeing it But anyway She gets Crystal on the phone It was not a brunch

She is Well I thought one thing before we get into this That I It was a weird passing moment But when Garcell called Crystal She said Hey, Crystal, it's Garcel. Yeah.

Do we not have contacts and call our ID and things like that? Or like, what is this? Is this radio? Like, do we need to know who's talking? I don't really get it. And I'm like, maybe they have like four phones. They have a housewife phone. They have a personal phone.

Oh, you got like a burner phone? No, I honestly, I think that it was a weird moment that I couldn't quite understand. Okay. But, you know, that's just how my brain works. Okay. Well, maybe we'll see if tech plays into anything. I don't think it will, but yeah. No, probably not.

I'll keep an eye on it, though. Yeah, you let me know. Yep. But anyway, gets Crystal on the phone, not a brunch, clearly. She's in a robe, convinced her to come over and talk. That conversation goes horribly. Absolutely. I mean, it could not have gone worse.

They kind of get to some sort of resolution, at least to the point where, like, we're going to move on from this. and Garcel just fucking drops a bomb. Yep. And I think that Garcell is kind of calculated and she's getting this edge to her where she's been the voice of reason for, I want to say like a year and a half now, people kind of look to her to uncover the details of things

and get people to actually talk in the same room, which is awesome. We need that. She's taking it a step further. Yeah, now she's figuring out a way that she can, be like controlling of the issue and like uh you know what let me let me check you here i think she's found her angle to become like a bigger presence in the housewives world like for sure i will watch that i will watch somebody that's going to call everybody out and be like bam

what about this bam what because i get really tired of like the unanswered questions that drives me fucking crazy like somebody call her out like well there's there is something to say about like the scenes where the women are talking amongst themselves and they're editing back and forth, like cutting back and forth. So you can see these two are talking in this house, these two are talking to this house about the same situation. That's kind of fun. Yeah.

But I really enjoy when they're all together and they get called out. Like that, that's the bread and butter of what makes this show fun. I completely agree. But just to comment on like the back and forth, it jumps back to Diana and Sutton having brunch. Yeah. your girl who is a vegetarian, allegedly, just goes, oh, I haven't had meat in so long, but I need bacon? Yeah, she got a taste of the...

Who hasn't gotten the taste of the bacon? I mean, like, I need this. If you're a vegetarian, I think the last thing you're eating is a pork product. I didn't hear her say she was a vegetarian. Diana said she was. Yeah, but does Diana know? I don't disagree. I imagine Diana knows everything about everybody.

I don't... It's not that I'm disregarding the fact that Sutton is probably... probably said, I'm a vegetarian in the past and has vegetarian tendencies. But at the end of the day, I really don't care. If she's not writing books on being a vegetarian and eating bacon behind the scenes, I could give a show. Because of who she is, I care. Well, yeah.

I think it's just, no, it's not nitpicking. It just furthers my belief that she's not a good person. Like she just says things that she thinks makes her look good. Because then she counters it with something that makes her look terrible. So, like, in her good moments, which is when she's one-on-one with the camera, she sings her own praises. I'm a vegetarian. Like, she's probably on some bullshit about how she is doing that to save animals. Well, I feel like that's what the one-on-one camera situations are all for, so that they can sing their own praises.

They don't have somebody to check them there. That's fair. I mean, valid point. Yeah. But I had to comment on that. That was just another Sutton moment. That's fair. Sutton being Sutton.

because Sutton's always going to Sutton. I thought it was nice that she had a full brunch spread. Oh, my God. Did you see that spread? Yeah, little cupcakes everywhere. For two people? Three. No, Crystal wasn't there.

Crystal dodged out. Like, that was, was that Diana? Was that Sutton? It was Sutton. That was Sutton spread? Yeah, I only remember that because I was thinking to myself, when do you think the last time Diana was knocking on a door? Because she looked super awkward walking up to Sutton's door.

Yeah, that's fair. Like, how do I do this? That's, I will, I'll give Sutton one prop. When she was telling Diana, you have to give these ladies multiple chances. She said, because we mess up a lot. Yeah, she includes herself. So that was, that is my only moment where I've been like, okay. This is the year of Sutton.

No, no, no, no, no. No, no. You saw it later in the episode, too. Kyle even said that too. Who is this woman? And this time last year, she was so emotional, one of my favorite scenes of all time when she has the face roller and she's just rolling and get forth on her face. And she goes, I'm sorry, but this is how I can feel safe right now. That was so funny.

No, she said, I do this because I'm very uncomfortable. Yeah. It's just she's gone from that to being, trying not to be emotional all the time. And it works. But you're saying that as though Kyle was giving her a compliment. Kyle was asking if she was taking drugs. She said, is she on happy pills? That wasn't a compliment.

You keep confusing their relationship, I think. No, not. I don't think that they're friendly. No, I don't think they are. I think that they're friendly on like face value alone. Of course. And even then it's like snide and kind of like passive aggressive. Yeah, but a lot of people are like that.

And you can kind of see that even with going back to the couch sit down right before Crystal. Well, actually while Crystal was there. when she's going through her whole thing, and Kyle's just talking about how she's a fixer, and Garcel goes, well, actually, you're about 50-50. You fix some things, but then you also stir the pot. And then she got a cutscene to her. Well, Rina also agreed.

So then you get a little bit of a cool dynamic where you get Garcell and Rina against Kyle now, just not obviously nothing mean, but talking out against. Kyle kind of being, you know, a little 50-50, a little shady there. Renna does that, though. She jumps on people's sides frequently. Like, I don't, it's not, I agree, but it doesn't seem like she has a real loyalty to people. It's like one scenario, I guess, because it's like intoxicated or not, but you're telling somebody what their presence of mind was in a certain moment, and you're also discrediting

what they're saying because of that. Yeah, and there was a moment where, even in the last episode, where I think, You and I were both defending Crystal thinking she's not talking, she's not comparing her situation with Sutton from last year to Doreet's situation. Right. But then she goes into this episode and she's talking and then she has the one on one time with the camera and she goes, it's like if I was a murderer, like why did you have to jump to that comparison?

You know what's calling you a murderer? No. But now that makes me think maybe she was comparing her situation. No, God, no. Maybe she was comparing her situation. I mean, they were all, I came out of last week's episode thinking, all right, the girls need to chill. Like, they were jumping down Crystal's throat, like, parading around like they were just trying to understand her. But they literally had her cornered in the couch standing up above her,

telling her that we need to understand you, Crystal, we need to understand you, which is unfair to Crystal. I agree. I completely agree. I thought that the last episode left me, thinking like oh I'm I think that she's a little too sensitive but see where she's coming from yeah totally flipped completely flipped complete 180 after seeing I was like oh she is very calculated what she's doing she tries to be she tries to be yeah it's a little sloppy but in her own mind she's very calculated she is spinning things to try to I don't know if she wants the sympathy vote

I don't know if she wants the control of like I don't know A little spotlight she's feeling a little left out I think that's like the main focus of it Yeah I think that she wants to be a bigger presence I think that she thinks this is her way to do that But I'll be honest with you It's not working because it's

It's just frustrating to watch Like She said that a lot of very dark things were said or a very dark thing was said. Well, it was on the heels of Garcell's jab at Crystal. Right, right, right. We didn't actually say it. She asked Crystal if she was setting Sutton up when she said,

are you that girl that doesn't see color? Like, are you, there was nothing that Sutton could have said in that moment where it would have been a good answer. like she was so really implying like what were your intentions with that question like were you just trying to start some shit or was that like a real moment and that leads to everything blowing up with crystal immediately just jumping forward instead of kind of backing off and saying that was a completely different situation she doubles down hard on that yeah very hard and says well garcel you don't know but Sutton said some very dark things that was it that's exactly yeah Sutton said some very dark things and that's when Kyle jumps in and says whoa like I was there what was said that like what else was said and she that's when she goes you were very drunk yeah like you were really drunk like whoa whoa whoa like don't do that yeah standing right there yeah remembers everything in the conversation

except for conveniently the dark things that were said well I don't know because Sutton's behavior after the fact does not lead me to believe that I think it's more that Sutton was she's worried that she said something that could be maybe mistaken for bad intentions or something that she didn't mean to say and she really doesn't remember she could have been drunk who knows but she's I think she was I think everybody was at that point and she's just very keen on moving forward not talking about the not rehashing. We're all Crystal's doing is throwing Sutton under the bus

because everybody's not believing her about her. Yeah, she emotionally. Safe, safe, safe place. And we finally got the answer to who Garcel was referring to last week. I'm like, be careful with your new friend. Yeah. She was talking about Crystal. Yeah.

And it seems like the girls are kind of taking Sutton's side already. In a sense, maybe not. They probably are thinking, well, she definitely. could have said something but they all agree and I think it's because they thought the crystal was full of shit the night before so they're immediately ready to just be like all right we thought you were full of shit the night before now you're doing this we know you're full of shit now yeah it was almost like you know we tried to give you the courtesy of coming over and explaining yourself yeah like putting this to bed and instead you immediately throw somebody that you're supposed to be

close to now under the bus like with no hesitation whatsoever now we have some real questions like who are you what are your intentions like what are you trying to do what's your end game and it was really frustrating to watch this shit play out because she keeps throwing around these accusations like Sutton said this and whether she said it or not like if you're going to keep saying that stop sidestepping it with these bizarre adjectives like that she loves fucking adjectives like it damaging it was dark it was like she picks those words intentionally because they carry weight like you hear that and you're like oh fuck like what did she say like what's happening but then she's the one who says it and then when other

people say the same words that she said she gets mad about it i know you can't say that don't say And then, but she also prefuses the whole thing with don't get mad at me about using the word dark. Yeah. Don't get mad at me about that. You're the one who used it. You're using that word. And then she's like, I thought this was the most, like, tone deaf thing I've heard in so long. She was like, what's the big deal?

It's just a word. It's a four-letter word. Like, are you fucking kidding me? One vowel. Like, whoa, dude. It doesn't make any sense. No, that's such a stupid, stupid. thing to say.

Yeah. Like, words carry weight. Like, you yourself have put emphasis on, like, word choice. So clearly, it matters to you. You can't then turn around in your confession and be like, it's just a word. Yeah, it's incredibly hypocritical. And I think that's kind of what she's showing. That's the behavior that she's putting out there.

And it's only going to end up bad for her, whether she completely makes something up and says this is what Sutton says and then Sutton has to go on the defense of the whole time but what it comes down there I especially with this group and you kind of have to do that going into it it's defamation and every single person in this group is like now we don't we don't do that here deal with that shit no we've been through enough especially as a whole that when there's defamation against one of them all of them have to deal with it all of their names are in the articles yeah so it's it's really tough on them so if you're really going to throw this out there it better be real and if it's not then you're

fucked yeah and they're gonna get to the bottom of it like that i do know like at the end of the season we'll i don't know if we will because all the one-on-ones i think happen at the at the end of the season and they're all still like kyle still said i i don't know what she said but she says that i'm confused i think crystal's the one who's confused so i don't know if we'll ever actually maybe the reunion andy can get i hope so oh god andy might I'm going to have to take another sabbatical. And he's going to have another panic attack. But let's rewind just a touch, just so I can comment.

We're at Sutton's, literally, the store Sutton. Yep. Is it Sutton or Sutton? Sutton. She used, like, Comic Sans font for her fucking sign. I thought it was fine. I didn't. It was straight.

Didn't care. She's wearing a backwards dress. It wasn't crooked. It was. No, it was crooked, but by choice. No, fuck you. It was. It was crooked by choice.

It was like, that one. was an artistic choice to make it like a little edgy like oh a sudden but they used comic stands font she's wearing a backwards dress but thank the fucking lord the French designer made it

he is there in the flesh baby I was so happy I was I actually was thrilled I was like thank God he got through immigration without a gun to his head and the first thought is what the hell's going on with that dress like I thought it was cool at first and then

the more that she turned around and I saw the back, I'm like, no. And she says it's Couture. And I don't know what Couture mean. I thought it was a company. So that goes to show you. But I guess it means like chic. Yeah. That's like it's Couture.

It's just like a French style of fashion. Are you positive about that? Yeah. Okay. But he also, her French designer is the one who made it. And he's like a pretty big deal. French designer. He's not like you're on the mill.

Yeah, but like if you told me any French designer's name, I would just assume that he was a big deal. I'm like, oh, cool. Like, who the fuck knows? But they, oh, I love this part when they're talking to him and he was like, oh, if I didn't do this, I was going to be an interior designer. And then it goes to Diana and who her interior designers were for her places. And one was Giorgio Armani and the other one was Fendi. Well, Georgie Omani just did her London house. Yep.

Her last London house was done by Fendi. And then in between she goes, you know, Ralph Lauren. Oh, yeah. We're like, oh, yeah, casually just drop him in there too. So pretty much, like, pick a famous designer, probably designed one of her, or decorated one of her homes. And it was actually kind of funny because you got to see Diana kind of like laugh it off. She wasn't serious about something. When the producer says laughing, which is what I was doing in that moment, laughing to Diana.

So how much does it cost to have Giorgio Armani come and design your whole house? And she started laughing and she goes, quite a bit of money. Yeah, quite a bit. A lot. That's got to be a shit ton. Like more money than we'll ever see in our lifetime. Yeah. To decorate a house that she was probably in.

Well, we have to go, though. That's the other thing. We have to have the girls go to London because we got to see the house. We have to see one of Diana's houses. Absolutely have to see one of those houses. Yeah, for sure. Like, that needs to happen. I don't know if it'll happen this season.

She's still newish to the scene But she takes on a different role Like I don't think that we've had a housewife Like again like So far even when she says certain things Like there's no repercussions When she called Sutton out in front of the whole group last week Like it was allowed

Like they let her finish her sentence Without jumping in I think she's a different standard I think they're just Some of them are just trying to feel her out too Like if you want to know who somebody is let them talk I agree

And then judge Biting their tongues Is not any of their strong suits Well I don't think anybody was coming to Sondon's defense there No no no no In any way, shape or form I'm just saying

I think that there's a clear Difference in Like name another housewife that's come in And hasn't had to like earn their like fight for their spot I mean we saw it last year with Crystal coming in And you know I mean she's had her moments with her leather pants which she wore them tonight she wore leather she didn't wear

she wore leather pants but in homage they did go back to the leather pants from last year they weren't cool leather pants I don't I've seen better leather pants I wouldn't wear those leather pants yeah I tell you that right now not I'm assless enough what what but I mean it is you are right like there is a different dynamic with with Diana coming in she's a little more free freely moving around and talking about people. Yeah, which I like to see it because it's new. Yeah, and sometimes she's comedic relief. Again, we're at Sutton's. Sorry, we're jumping all over the place tonight, but we have a lot to say. But Kyle and Dorit are on their way to Sutton's.

Sorry, they're on the way to Sutton. I think it's still Sutton's, but yeah, sure. Sutton, Sutton. Um, and a paparazzi is caught outside of Kyle's house, I guess, taking pictures over the fence. Yep. And that sends Dorid into another panic because she assumes that they're casing the place. And I don't want to be insensitive to the fact that she might actually believe that, but I, like, I feel like everything's so played up now. The way she talks, just, it's, and again, like, is it insensitive that I'm saying it's dragging on? sure. No, I don't think it is anymore because in TV world, we've let this run its course

and she's still like everything comes back to that. And the way that the show's edited, like we still have to start off the episode with Doreet and P.K. talking about it. And yeah, we got like a little bit of P.K. having diabetes. Oh yeah. Well, crushing Diet Coke, which I guess there's no sugar, but like, dude. Even him having diabetes. still feeds back to, we need Doreet to feel like she's safe. Yeah. So it's like, all right. P.K.K. has a disease.

He's like eight Diet Coke's away from losing his toes. And we have to then go back to Doreet again. And it's just like, it's very tiresome. And she's in the car talking about it. And even Kyle's like, Doreet, it was just paparazzi. Like, it was some guy taking a picture. It's fine. And then Doreet apologizes, or sorry, Kyle apologizes.

us to Doreet. Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And then when they get to Sutton, Sutton, Sutton, Dorit is, like, furious that she has pressed there. Like, of course she has pressed there. She said it was selfish of Sutton to not tell her that press were going to be there. What? First off, Sutton last week or two weeks ago said, I'm sorry that I didn't have a gun to my head.

Yeah. But you expect Sutton to text you and be like, hey, just a heads up. But Sutton doesn't owe her a text at that point. You should, one, you should assume that there's going to be pressed there. And two, like, that's not a phone call she has to make. Well, it is funny because I actually thought, like, pulling up, you saw, like, an ABC live at the red carpet type of thing. And I was like, this is kind of a big deal. But they were just taking pictures.

So I'm like, oh, my God, Doreet. Like, nobody's going to ask you about this going in. Because I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm not going to ask you because I'm tired of it. But again, TV World, this is like a week. two weeks later probably so like somebody's probably going to ask and I'm like there's no way so Dorete goes in the front door

completely backends the way around the red carpet Kyle gets on the red carpet first question about the right I'm like ah shit she was right no I yeah I would assume that they would ask her about it sure but I also don't think that

it's outrageous to assume there's going to be press at an event like that where clearly it's a big deal if Sutton's comparing her French designer getting held up by immigration to getting held up at gunpoint. Yeah. Zing.

But what I thought was really interesting is that with, you know, Sutton getting all bent out of shape about like, oh, I'm not comfortable on guns and the burglary when I was 14 and blah, blah, blah, blah. Rina comes out of left field. Her mom was with like a serial killer. Yeah, it was somebody that she worked with, like assaulted her before he'd, became a serial killer. I guess this is like a chicken and the egg thing.

He was probably always a serial killer. Yeah. And Lois, her mom was like, yeah, like I almost wasn't here. Like so non-ish, like you almost weren't here.

Yeah. Like, Renna's got that in her back pocket. She's not bringing that up. Nope. Like, that's extremely. But I do feel like that's like

Renna waited the appropriate amount of time to be like, you should talk to my mom. Yeah. Nobody, I'm sure like anybody going through trauma doesn't want to hear like the day after. Oh, no,

that's not what I'm saying like Sutton's like oh like when I was 14 my house got robbed yeah like Rinna's mom almost got killed by a serial killer like she could have brought that up and been like yeah it's a traumatizing for me too like I almost wasn't born because my mom was almost killed by a serial killer but she didn't do that because you're not supposed to do that like common decency I just thought that was interesting then we get inside again we're back at Sutton and um Kyle's talking to Sutton and just like telling her trying to get the load down what actually happened like hey just FYI like crystal saying some shit and like what was said like what happened and Sutton just doesn't want any part of it now now she's like I'm ready

to move on I want to move forward and you think that's because I think she's tired of it I mean I feel like every and we're seeing it with three every storyline just gets dragged out super long and there was a lot last year but like move on from it and be done with it and I kind of agree with Sutton, just be like, all right, but she also doesn't know what Crystal's even talking about. She probably doesn't even understand what Kyle's saying. I don't, I don't know. The more that we watched it and the more that Kyle was kind of questioning, like, oh, maybe Sutton did say something. She's very quick to be like, oh, let's just move on, let's move on, let's move on. But Kyle was also there. Kyle was drunk. Yeah, but not in her own words.

Kyle even said, like, I was there. I know she didn't say anything. But, you know, Sutton, Sutton Gunn Sutton. Sutton going to Sutton. So maybe she did say something at a different time. So like she's leaving the door kind of half cracked, but that door wouldn't be open at all if Crystal didn't completely throw her under the bus to get away from Crystal's safe place.

Oh my God. And that's another thing. And I, again, I'm not, I know that the dory thing, like we've touched on it, but I will say for her to continually say, like, this is not a safe space. that wasn't a safe space like the word again word choice crystal word choice you're sitting next to a person that was held at gunpoint like you're not in a safe space dorrit said it best

you're not in a safe space because you don't get along with some women like this is a vacation yeah like get over it like and i i now after seeing this episode i don't think that she was actually that upset the last episode. I think that she worked that room. She was like trying to cry. I think that that was all fucking planned. I think that...

But she doesn't like to show emotion, she said. Oh, dude, what? I know. Like, I can't everything she says is contradictory. She's such a hypocrite. I don't think that's fun. And there's one last piece and that's the missing

piece. Erica Jane, not being cordially invited. Oh, right. Yeah, Erica. She said she was invited in a group text, in a group format, and she's not going to go. No, she has a date with a vibrator. Yeah. Well, I have a theory on this, too.

On the hat? Not on the vibrator, no. I have a theory on Erica Jane with Sutton specifically. I think when Erica said, you know, I wasn't invited, she doesn't want me there anyway, blah, blah, blah. I think Erica may be, maybe a little hurt by Sutton. Oh, I think in that moment, yeah, I thought that that was actually her being a little upset. I don't, I, now hear me out. I don't think Sutton, maybe she talked to Garcel individually or Crystal.

That's who she talks to the most, like at least one-on-one. I think she did send out a group chat, group invite, group email, whatever. The editing going back to the dinner where Sutton just said, because I don't like you. to Erica and Erica immediately lashed out with well fuck you no go fuck yourself go fuck yourself I think that was Erica maybe a little hurt I do think that Erica like feels things I don't think that she's nearly as tough as she puts on but but that's the first like you don't get a housewife telling another housewife like I just plain don't like you no like they always kind of beat it on the bush and play a game and whatever something's just like I don't like you go fuck

yourself. Yeah, go fuck yourself as her response. Yeah. So I think that between that, she doesn't feel like she wants to, she's not belonging to, you know, Sutton's friend group enough to go to the thing. You know, she's sitting at home with her dog after two hours of Muay. Two hours of Muay. That's a long time. But yeah, I think she's a little hurt. And maybe there's a chance for a Sutton apology to Erica. No shot. We're on it. We're on an apology train this season for Sutton she's doing a great job i think that train's left the station it could have i don't think that's happening i'd like to say i think i even saw watch what happens live episode like in the past month or so where like more or less erika says like fuck you sutton yeah all right well so i don't

think we're going to get that i don't leave that door open now i don't i don't care to i'll i'll have them at odds forever i think that it's it's good for television i think that sutton sucks so go fuck yourself there we go but I mean that pretty much ties up Rob

Beverly Hills all right we'll take a quick we do know what the name of the website is it's Teresa and louis dot com let's just take a quick peek let's see if it

there's no fucking way it's still up no I'm looking right now I don't see anything no it's down yeah all right well that was a good idea on paper but that about wraps it

up we don't have any questions this week but hey if you're listening get those questions in we want to answer some questions you know what it was anything anything at all it doesn't oh i was going to say it doesn't have to be bravo related i've been preferably brava related if it's interesting enough we'll we'll still do it on yeah that's fair so if you think it's an interesting question send it our way and if it's not interesting i'll still read your question and tell you it's a stupid question absolutely so it's a win-win thank you guys for coming out Thank you guys for staying in, actually, and listening to this podcast. Yeah.

We appreciate it. You guys are fucking awesome. We've got like over 200 listens already. So, again, you keep listening and we'll keep doing this, but. There's a lot to look forward to. Yeah. The future is bright for Simprof Bros. It's going to be a good summer.

Fuck yeah. But that is it. That's the Brof Bros. out. We are done. Later, guys. Bye. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the L.A. Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director.

You might know me from The League, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role in Twisters. We love movies, and we come at them from different perspectives. Yeah, like Amy thinks that, you know, Joe Pesci was miscast in Goodfellas, and I don't. He's too old. Let's not forget that Paul thinks that dude too is overrated. It is. Anyway, despite this, we come together to host Unspooled, a podcast where we talk about good movies, critical hits. Fan favorites, must-season, and case you miss them.

We're talking Parasite the Home Alone. From Greece to the Dark Night. We've done deep dives on popcorn flicks. We've talked about why Independence Day deserves a second look. And we've talked about horror movies, some that you've never even heard of like Ganges and Hess. So if you love movies like we do, come along on our cinematic adventure. Listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcasts. And don't forget to hit the follow button.

American history is full of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences decades or even hundreds of years after they happened. On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials and the escape attempts from Alcatraz, of bank robbers like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd. of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper, and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, killers of the flower moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer. Join me as we crisscross the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the south,

to mobsters in Chicago and New York, to arsonists, kidnappers, and killers in California, to unsolved mysteries in the heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find Infamous America, wherever you get your podcasts.