Bros & Shows - Well At Least They Acknowledged We Can Never Move On (The Valley Full Recap S3E13)

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

What's up bros? Maybe this episode was a little lighter and better but once we start digging into it, it's not really that much better. This cast cannot seem to hold Danny accountable and even when it's confirmed that he was drinking, we're still giving him a pass. It's like groundhog's day with this topic. We keep bringing it up but it's not brought up in the right way and not focusing on the right things and here we are again just blaming Janet or whatever. Who cares Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm getting so tired of discussing it and so tired of the hypocrisy and the one-sided notes of this whole thing, the lack of accountability. But I'm not going to get revved up today. We're just going to have a conversation about it. But I will not allow myself to get revved up by that little bitch. I don't have the energy. I'm going on vacation next week. I'm happy. so I'm not going to let the valley ruin my mood. Maybe this is just the happiness of vacation speaking, but you could say that this was a slightly better episode. Yeah, actually, I agree.

Because they talk to more people talk. The big problem is, and it's becoming more and more apparent every episode, these people hate each other. Like, they don't even remotely like each other. I don't know how you make a show around these people. I don't either, but I'm on the same boat as you. You got vacation brain. I'm going to see Curisau play Ivory Coast at four and taking Poppy with me.

So I will not let today be dampered. Nope. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma.

And yes, I am a bitch. Brav Bros. Good morning, everybody. And welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Bros, your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Putaguta. No, that works. I like that a lot.

It makes me feel exotic. I love that on vacation. So it's like a double-up. Yeah. That definitely works. God. Yeah, that definitely works. I've been better lately.

I've got a little streak going. Yeah, you've been on it. I don't know what happened. You unlocked a part of your brain that was recently. completely locked up. But that's good. That's a good sign for us moving forward. But yeah, I look, I think we've said everything that we've ever needed to say about

this show. It does feel like it's getting a little crazy because it's just repetitive, especially from like, I imagine that people watching this show are like, all right, we're just doing the same thing. It's like changing locations and talking about the same shit. And like I said before, this was a little bit, I don't even know if I want to say better. It was just a little different because it was just a little different because it least people were talking about it in an open discussion, which is usually what you're going to get on cast trips.

But at the end of the day, did we really get anything accomplished? Like, I think we're more, we're actually more, we're accelerating the wrong way. Like, there's more people in the group that are defending Danny. There's more people that are blaming Janet for the things that she said. And while I agree that Janet has somehow fumbled this, like she's still doing everything wrong. She's not wrong at her core. It's just that everything that she's been doing this whole time and everything. everything that she's been doing on the Mexico trip has been wrong.

So it's just really, really difficult. Well, she finally says, you know, pretty clearly, like, yes, I was flippant with how I discussed it. That's all I've needed is just the acknowledgement that, like, yeah, the way that you went about it last year wasn't the best only because, again, for all the people that get mad at us for like, well, you say Janet was wrong. You don't believe Janet? No.

By saying what she said, it just completely stops the conversation. because Daddy and Nia just go immediately on the defensive where it's like you're going to call them that what the fuck so that's my issue with it it's not so much that she said it's more so like it's just a dead end like we can't get anywhere once you use that but for her to acknowledge that it was flipping I'm like okay because what that does is it puts the onus on other people where it's like she's taken accountability for where she overstepped but the message is the same like she stands by what she said we have evidence of what she said people have been talking about talking about that kind of stuff. So it's not like a came out of left field. But now that she has acknowledged her part, everyone else has to acknowledge theirs. And they refuse to. They absolutely refuse to.

And that's where we get hung up. That's exactly where we get hung up. And unfortunately for Janet, when she said that, everybody's going to break glass in case of emergency. Once things start to get a little hairy, once we actually start to get somewhere and people are looking at Danny,

looking at Nia, they can just point to Janet and be like, well, she said something wrong. She said something about him and it affected our lives. And then everybody stops. So it's just really fucking annoying. So that's a big problem for me.

I think she actually weirdly said it best when we're when we're discussing all of this, you know, in the beginning of the episode. She says we can't get anywhere because everybody just looks back at me and they hate me. Everybody looks back at me and the things that I've said. So we can't actually move forward. Everybody wants to move forward, but we won't move forward because then they look at me and they're like,

well, we can move forward with you. But it doesn't make any sense because we can move forward with Danny. in his actions, even just towards Jasmine and Melissa. It's like, okay, you guys are allowed to move forward with him after what he did, but no one's allowed to move forward with me because I pointed out what he did and used maybe a little bit of extreme terminology. Like, it doesn't make any sense.

And I'm happy she said that. But again, I feel like that's more for us for the audience. It's like, okay, so we're not going crazy. We are actually seeing what we're seeing and we're discussing what we're discussing. But at the end of the day, for the cast, no one's moving forward. So that is the big elephant in the room with this whole cast, with this whole show right now. We cannot move forward because no one wants to move forward.

And the only alternatives are like, you get rid of Danny and Nia, okay, I don't really know what more of a show that we have left. Like it could at least be a little bit more fun because more people will like each other. It'll be a little lighter for sure. But you get rid of Janet and you keep Danny and Nia.

The show's unwatchable. I'm sorry. It's already unwatchable for me. And I hate that we have. to talk about it every week, but I think that people really do understand that it's unwatchable. And then they listen to us and we talk about how it's unwatchable. And they're like, good. All right.

I don't have to keep watching. So it's just we're at a standstill. The show itself cannot move forward, but I think that was a microcosm for everything. I agree. And I think that, you know, if you get rid of Janet and retain Danny and Nia, I think that sends a message, too. It's like, okay, so she gets ousted because she called it out, but we're going to protect the dude that committed the offense. It's like that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So, yeah, I think the big thing that that's going on is just again, when we get into the nitty gritty of it all, people don't want to back Janet because of the word she used last year.

But it's like now that we're looking around the room, it's like, you know, you're disregarding Jasmine and what she went through. She has made it known. She's even speaking on it. Like, hey, don't love how no one supported me last year. and now she's watching it happen again, where they're all jumping to defend Danny. I don't think they realize that by doing all of this, by having these conversations,

by defending Danny, you are minimizing what Jasmine went through. And you can say that the terminology that Janet used was a little strong if you want to, but at the same time, Jasmine was genuinely affected by this. She was very uncomfortable. She was crying about it.

Like, this affected her. So for us to minimize, and sidestep accountability because Danny's Christian, which is really all it fucking is. Because they are, they're godly man and woman. We can't go, fuck that.

Fuck that because that's what they're doing. They're leaning on their fucking religion, which drives me nuts. The people defending them are leaning on it, which drives me nuts. Again, to all of my Christian people out there, no issues with you.

You believe what you like to believe. I have no qualms. It's when you use it as a defense that I'm going to rip my hair. out because it's so hypocritical and knowing. And at the same time, like, if I was a devout Christian and I lived that lifestyle, I'd be pissed watching this. Right. Because they are doing that.

Like, they're giving you a bad name. So that doesn't really make a ton of sense to me either. But going into what Jasmine's saying and when she said it while they were over at Schwartz's for the 007 party, she called it out. And it is very true. It's exactly what they're doing. But apparently that's the wrong way to go about it as well. Every time that we call out Danny, it's not necessarily that they're wrong.

It's not necessarily that the subject matter is wrong. It's the way they do it. And that's how they circumvent all of this. They can somehow skate by and they can just turn it back at you because you went about it the wrong way. And again, like I do think that for me anyway, obviously the way Janet is handling it now. Like again, she's not wrong. She's just not wrong. She's wrong about everything else after that.

Every time that she goes into it and tries to do it and tries to have a discussion, she does something wrong. And it ends it. There's a stop button. every time that Janet gets involved. Unfortunately, she's really the only one speaking on it. And actually now I'm starting to talk myself into the fact that this was more of a frustrating episode because all we really did was talk about Danny's drinking. And when we talked about Danny's drinking, it was, I don't care if you drink.

Just don't hide it. We can move past that. Why? Where are he there now? I don't know. That was a fucking pass. Like, yeah, now I'm actually pissed off. Now I'm actually pissed off about this episode.

I thought this was better. It's not because of the way that they handled it. We should be talking about his actions when he's drinking. not the fact that he's hiding like yeah you can talk about the fact that he's hiding drinking but brittley walks out she's like i don't care if he drinks i'll do a shot with him right now it's like wrong wrong not the way to do it if somebody's hiding drinking i understand if he wants to stand on i'm not drinking around this group i don't feel comfortable so i do have to sneak it just to have like one drink and feel better i'm like well you're kind of a pussy because you're not standing up and being like dude

like fuck off i'm having a drink leave me alone i'm having one drink and i'm going home with my wife that is what you want to do if you are going to continue to drink around these people or just drinking life. You have a drink and show everybody, hey, I had a drink. I'm leaving now. Hey, I had a white claw. I'm leaving now. I'm going back with my wife and I'm not causing any problems. That's the way to get over it. By hiding it, you're a pussy. That's all he is. So I hate Danny. I don't like Nia. I don't like half of this group. And I'm pissed off again. Yeah. And, you know, with the lying part of it again, that's a very big sign of problematic drinking. That's something that's talked about extensively when you go to rehab.

And the funniest shit is if you go to like an AA meeting or to a rehab facility and just listen to a meeting, we all did the same shit. We literally all hit it the same way, which is haphazardly. We think that it's like this great spot and it's like under a t-shirt in your drawer. Like it's something like so dumb. But the fact that they confronted them, we know you're lying. Just cop to it. Everyone's saying that they don't care if you drink, which again doesn't make a lot of sense to me because there's compounding the issue.

You're giving them an out. I don't know why we keep giving them outs. But when you sit there and go, okay, so you admit you drank at my party, thank you. What about the white claw in the gym? No. That's a huge problem. That's fucking, that's alarming because we have him on camera. And they gave him a chance to be like, look, clear the air.

Get it all out. We won't care. Just tell us the truth. He was 50-50. which tells me everything I need to know. And the biggest pile of dog shit is, as soon as that happens, I flash forward about a month at the reunion. We have to have a whole discussion about it.

We got to do it again. You would think that like, all right, cool, you're going to get caught in a lie. This is going to be great. I know how it's going to go. There's still going to be people defending him. There's still going to be. Kristen's going to be standing up there in the first chair. She's going to be like, hey, back off.

You want him to be able to drink in front of you guys. But he has to go high. That's a you problem. We all drink. Let's point in everybody else. It's like, Jesus, fucking Christ, dude. Like this show, the people on this show just can't get any worse every single time that you think like, wow, we're actually, we're going somewhere with this. We're talking something about this.

We're going to get somewhere. Maybe resolution is around the quarter. They do something else. I'm like, God, you're just horrible people. Like most of the people on this show are just horrible, horrible people. Pretty much. And we'll jump in. I mean, we're kind of already in that first scene anyway.

And, you know, Lala, and I know people are going to say, like, why is she inserting herself? She wasn't there, this, that the other. And there's some merit to that. But at the same time, nobody else is doing this, right? And we want to get resolution. And to get resolution, we have to address some of the shenanigans that have been afoot. The liking of the comments. No, I don't think it's that serious.

I think that liking comments doesn't need to be like a knockdown drag out by any means. But we could also acknowledge it. And like, that's where I get frustrated because he's just like, no. I would, what's cooking? It's like, okay, you know what that is. And also, just acknowledge that you liked some mean shit. Everybody there has. So, like, as we're going through that whole thing back and forth, I'm like, we don't

really need to do this over liking comments, but at the same time, can you just acknowledge that you did that? And it takes in like 30 minutes to say, like, yes, I'm sorry. And he only says sorry to Brittany, which was another weird one because he's going into the guys of like, oh, yeah, you and Jacks were in cahoots. I think that Brittany knew what was going on and she could be guilty by association, as they say, but I don't think that she's ever been like willingly a part of a Danny takedown. Like I don't think she was talking to Jack's like, yes, I'm in.

I think that she was probably trying to ignore it and be like, I'm not taking part in this. I would think the same thing, honestly. I mean, it's Jack's Taylor. He's going to go off and do whatever the fuck he wants. He actually, I could see the two of them getting into a fight because Brittany would question it and saying, like, why are you going after Danny? there's really no problem they go after Danny and Jacks has to just get pissed off and probably yell at Brittany. That's how I see it going. And then Britney probably just stopped engaging.

Like that realistically speaking, I'm sure that's what happened. I don't see Brittany sitting down and trying to get like we were so far past the Brittany needing Jacks's approval stage. Like, yeah, she was just kind of doing things to keep him at bay. But when it comes to something like this, like they're not mastermind sitting down. Jacks thinks he's a mastermind. He's sitting at the kitchen table probably drawing things up and drawing like little cartoons about what he He wants to do with Danny and the next, yeah, like it's all stick figures. Brittany's not engaging in that. Brittany's not sitting with him and going through the process or anything like that.

She's taking care of their child. Like, I know that I personally don't really like Brittany, but to throw her in and all of this and say that she's the same as Jacks is crazy, but every single time, that's the biggest problem with all of this is one, the first step is bring something up to Danny and Nia. They use some sort of cop out. They deny and then use some sort of weird cop out. And then when that doesn't work and people press again,

the other people in the group come to their defense and go after the person who's pressing them. It just doesn't make any fucking sense. And that's why I say I hate these people. And that's what we see in this moment because Zach gets heated. This was ridiculous by Zach too. It was insane. Like he blows his lid and he's yelling and screaming and all of this shit. It's like Jasmine said it perfectly.

You have all of this energy to check up. us right now. Danny lied to your face multiple times about drinking and you haven't said a goddamn word. You have all this energy for everyone else, all this energy to defend Danny. Doty, you're the same way. You have all this energy to go after people that go after Danny. But not once have you guys acknowledged like, you know what? You're right. That did happen objectively. He did do that last year. That is kind of fucked up. They don't have those conversations. They have conversations with everyone else, Zach included, which is a bummer. Like, I do like to think that Zach is fairly neutral and fairly level headed.

But for some reason, I think the reason is, and it goes back to Janet using that specific terminology, it is so very sensitive of a subject and they know the ramifications of it. So they're all afraid to feed into that. They're like, well, I'm not going to take part in a Danny take down that's going to ruin his life. So we need to defend him. But again, what you're telling Jasmine. is that her thoughts and feelings weren't as important as Danny and he is. And that's bullshit. I will say,

Melissa jumping up to defend. I was like, fuck yeah. That was awesome. Yeah, that's absolutely great. And the other thing is with Zach, he's like,

I hate what people put me in the middle of this. And like, yeah, you were kind of put in the middle of it, but also you can't really complain. Like you are in the middle of it. Do something about it. Don't just complain that you're in the middle of it.

Like that's very frustrating too. And when you blow your lid and go after everybody who's talking pretty much in the room, it doesn't make any sense. And when we see that too and we start talking about it and we talked about this, that Benji caught Danny while he was drinking at the party. Why the fuck didn't we see that? Like this should not just be a blip. There's a full sit down with Zach Benji and Jesse talking about Danny drinking,

talking about how Zach came back from shopping with Danny, asked him if he was drinking at the party. Benji says, hey, by the way, I saw him drinking at the party. We should see that. This is what the season's about. Why are we not seeing everything? I don't fucking get it. You can't convince me that there's so many more important scenes that we needed to see that this is just a blip on the radar just to confirm that we already knew that Benji saw Danny while he was drinking.

So it wasn't an editing trick or anything like that. And of course, we get nowhere with that. But I'll wait until that actually comes out. It's just so incredibly frustrating. And for Zach, who's usually somewhat of the voice of reason to just be bitching and complaining that he's in the middle of it, do something. You can exonerate yourself from the middle if you actually do something. You have to pick a side, unfortunately.

And for us watching it home, the side is incredibly clear. And you don't have to take Janet's side. You just have to tell Danny like, hey, dude, I don't know what the fuck you're going through, but stop lying to everybody. Stop lying to my face. Stop perpetuating because every time that we do this, you and your stupid-ass wife get up and you're like,

you guys are so mean to us. Like, shut up. You guys are such losers. That's where I need the accountability to come in. I need them to acknowledge. That's what Janet talks about later. Like just simply say. Yeah.

They're going to say like we did apologize. We did apologize. It's like, no, just acknowledge. They don't want to. They don't want to acknowledge because it admits that it admits the truth, honestly. And then it makes them look bad on camera.

I mean, we've been talking about it for three seasons now. That's what they do. That's what they want is to just look perfect on camera. And we're finally getting to it. We're finally acknowledging it from the rest of the group. They will never acknowledge that ever, ever, ever. It's so frustrating because it seems such like an easy thing to navigate and to like pick the right side.

And like with Zach, you don't even have to take sides, but have the same energy for both of them then. Yeah. If you're going to shut down Jasmine and Lala and them, have that same exact ump for Danny and call them out in front of everybody for being a liar. But you don't. You wait to have a nice civil conversation with Danny, but Jasmine doesn't get a. that same luxury. That doesn't make a lot of sense. By the way, that conversation that they have later,

that's just so Zach could have that conversation to move on. It's such a sweep. Like, hey, I talked about it. We're good. We can move on. I don't have to be in the middle anymore. That's all. I get it like in the real world.

But for reality TV, it's very frustrating. Yeah. And then Danny and Nia, like debriefing was just about now he's mad at Nia for not having his back. I was like, she did to a certain extent. She actually did.

I don't know, man. I can't stand them. I know. But Lala, Zach and the rest of them, after Danny and Nia leave, they're just kind of decompressing. And, you know, Zach admits, like, yes, that was a full meltdown and this and that. And the other thing. And I'm glad that people kind of call him out. Like, Jasmine's like, look, you're a good friend and you're being walked all over.

And that's the frustrating thing again. It's like he's disrespecting you guys to your face. And because you're so afraid to call him out. He's just getting away with it. Nothing's happening. There's no accountability or action for his actions. And like this all stems from that. And we'll talk about it more when we get to the lunch later.

But, you know, I'm glad that Brittany yells from the other room. She's like, Jasmine's right. And now we're starting to see kind of a coalition of people that are like, you know what, fuck this. We are going to stand up and say something. After last year, we saw a lot of people try to sweep it. I think that I feel like, we're going to continue to push until we get to the reunion.

I don't think there's ever going to be resolution because Danny and Nia refused to. They're just going to say you guys are being mean. You're trying to hurt our family. But seeing multiple people now going up against it. And the funny thing is, and again, I can't believe I'm getting her credit, it kind of all centers around Lala. And I know people are going to say that she's inserting herself in other people's business and she wasn't there and all that shit. But no one else is doing it. So we need somebody to do it.

I think that's the big thing with Lala too. We talked about it before she even joined as a full-time cast member. No one's really going to forgive her for the sins of the past. But I do think that because of the way this show is going, because of the way the season is going, when Lala does something, we both acknowledge it. Like, yeah, that's kind of important to do. Of course, it's Lala doing it.

She's the only one on this cast that's actually pressing those things and doing the things that you're supposed to do on reality TV to maybe work towards some sort of resolution. And I would even argue that she's doing it better than she did on VPR. She's not getting heated. She's not screaming at people. She's not, she's refraining from calling people dog a lot.

She did call Danny dog in the middle of that way. And then daddy responded with homie. I was like, yeah, which I really fucking hated that one. That really, really spent it to chill up my spine. But I feel like between this and then the conversation that they have on the beach,

like the way she's going about it, she doesn't really care that much. And I wonder like what, what's going on or if she knew this going into it. Like, hey, I'm not going to get revved up. I'm just going to do what I should. should be doing on a show, but I'm not really going to get emotionally invested.

Like there's no emotional investment from Lala necessarily. It's more just like good gamesmanship, if you will. So I appreciate what she's been bringing to the show, which is a crazy thing for us to say right now. But I just despise everybody else and what they're bringing to the show. So why not? I can't believe how many props we've given Lala this season. Never in a million years that I think I'd be saying that.

I'm just not going to go like full superlative and say like, you know, center the show around her. Lala's back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. But let's get to the following morning and you get a scene with Doty and Luke and Kaya and the night prior, Luke had tried to smooth things over.

He's like, I went to the room, ordered her room service, got her ginger ale. Oh, is she better? Nah, nah, she still hates me. Nah, she's trying to go to sleep now. Yeah, she's actually pissed over to room service because I woke her up. But here's the thing again. And like we talked about it last week. And I'm glad we got some comments of people saying that we approached it the right way, which I appreciate.

You know, we tried our best as two dudes to discuss that topic. Could have swore that we got that wrong. But yeah. No, we people say we did pretty good. So that that's a good feeling. But it is. Yeah. You know, this scene is another indicator of just like you don't get it, man.

Like you don't get it. Because they sit down. We're clearing the air. And he's like, you know, this is the time to have this conversation. and say your side of it. You know, not in an aggressive way, not in a,

I'm trying to get resolution way, just to like bring it up. Like, Doty's in a good mood. Kaya's in a good mood. And you can say, hey, you know, saying I like to get messed up,

like overhanging with Kaya, like that really hurts my feelings. That's fair. You can say that. But when she replies frustrated, and she says, like, I'm trying to express how I'm feeling

and you're taking it personally, that's where I wish you would understand. It's like her emotions and everything are so high right now. And there's nothing she can really do about it. So you can state how you're feeling. And hopefully it goes the right way. But if she starts to get irritated, this is my entire point last week. Nothing she's saying.

She's not trying to say this like personally. She's not trying to dig at you. It just comes out. So like in this moment where you then start to get like heated and you start to go back a little bit where it's like, you know, you just say like, I want to go out and like get fun. up like you're painting this picture of me like that's so much worse than I actually am it's like okay okay let's take that and now let's let's dissect why why is that happening right now and it's probably because she's a new mom there's a lot going on and like he wants this vindication moment and that's where he misses the point entirely it's like just be there shut up grin and bear it

have calm conversations when you can but don't expect the world. Don't expect her to be like, oh, you know what? You're right. I'm a monster. I'm so sorry, Luke. Like, that's not happening. No, it's never going to happen. And I always think it's kind of funny, too, when you see a guy and his wife just gave birth and she's going through postpartum. And he's like, I don't understand. Like, I feel like your feelings get so much more of a special treatment than mine do. I want to be on the same level. It's like that, no. It's just inherently wrong. You didn't just push a child out of your vagina, Luke. I think that's the funniest thing is, again, we harped on the fact that they shouldn't be filming this right now.

They should have waited all last week while we were going through a recap. This is what you get. I mean, you get a little bit of good, a little bit of bad. We're going to see a little bit of both. It's just important to not completely overreact. But I feel like for Luke anyway, it's just very funny to watch him navigate because he's like, my feelings don't matter. You can say whatever.

And like, we agree. Yeah, in the heat of the moment, she says some incredibly mean shit to you. And like, you're allowed to feel bad about that. But you do have to just remember that her emotions are very heightened. She's going through more. You just traveled with a fucking newborn on the plane to go to Mexico to work. And yeah, there's quote unquote babysitters there. But that doesn't really mean anything to a new mom when the baby's like three or four months old, whatever she is.

So like you just have to fucking relax. Like maybe just walk away. Learn to walk away a little bit and just say, you know what? I'm going to let you just have this. I'll be outside if you need me. Give me a call when you need me. just try to, you know, get through whatever. And then be there for when you can't.

Like, there's just, there's ways to go about it. But trying to put your feelings up on the same pedestal doesn't really make a ton of sense. And it's very easy for us to dissect from the outside looking in because it's like, all right, dude, like it should be very truth. It should be very obvious to you. And it's not. But in the moment, I understand why it's not. We're just telling you, hey, you're doing it wrong.

But they'll figure it out. And that's the whole thing. Yeah, they'll be fine. Is if we waited like three or four months after this, this wouldn't happen as often. It's going to happen pretty often because for whatever reason, Luke thinks that his feelings are as valid as hers. Yeah. And like the perfect example is she's like, you know, you get drunk, then you come home, you sleep on the couch, you don't sleep in bed, I get mad. He's like, that's only happened a couple times. That's the point. Yeah. Shouldn't let it happen. Yeah,

shouldn't happen at all. If you know that's going to be a point of contention, for the time being, don't do that. Just don't fucking do it. What if we find out that like he's just a drunk snorer. And what's really happening is he's coming home, sleeping in bed and she kicks him out of bed and he sleeps on the couch. And then she's like, you slept in the couch last night. I would be surprised. I would be surprised to be honest.

If he's just like, has no idea that that would be funny. But again, but he got he was blackout drunk so he doesn't remember. That's the problem. If you, if you don't get to that point, you're allowed like, we have seen, which is very funny, we have seen Kristen say like, hey, go out, have fun, just be responsible. If he did that and then she still gave him shit for going out and being responsible, that's one thing. But if she's telling you and giving you a pretty long leash to go out and do whatever as a new dad while she's taking care of a three-month-old baby, you should be happy, brother. Like that doesn't happen.

Most people, I would imagine, stay and don't do anything for about six months and get everything regulated. And then it's like, all right, let me start living my life a little bit again. She's allowing you to go out and get drunk with your friends. Like just you've got it made as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, just don't overdo it. Like it's simply. And he does. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's the entire point that that Doty's trying to make. I don't think she's saying that you're this like raging alcoholic that will not stop going out. I think she's saying when you do and I ask you for two things, don't sleep on the couch and help me with the baby in the morning. I don't care if you're so hungover you can't see straight. When you wake up, go get that fucking baby. And you take care of that baby. You know what's incredibly fun.

And we do this on our In the City recaps all the time. I'm now going to do it on the Valley. When you go and watch In the City and you've got like Georgina and Lindsay talking about raising a baby and being hung over and they laugh about it. They're like, oh, dude, there's nothing fucking worse than being hung over and taking care of kids. They're having a fun, light conversation about being hungover, taking care of kids. And then we go over to the Valley and we're watching this show. And it's like, I can't believe you did that. We're never going to get married.

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From human behavior, relationships, health, science, and everyday mysteries. So while you're already in your podcast app, just search for something you should know. And listen to an episode right now. Something You Should Know. Let's keep moving. And we did get a quick reminder that Aaron, the ex of Michelle, had left her because he wanted a quote-unquote fitness girl over Michelle. Yeah. Which, again, we have already clocked. What happened was he got a little bit of fame, like that 15 minutes of fame from the show, probably got a few follows from some athletic types.

And he was like, oh, well, I'm the man. I could have anybody. And then he ended things with Michelle, only to find out that. that you can't get anybody you want and you're not famous. You're a honey guy and you're weird. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine the way that's going to turn out is somebody's going to,

somebody's going to scam him. He's going to get scammed by like an AI fitness role on Instagram. Yeah. That would be really funny. Send me some money. Oh, you want some honey? No, I said money. Oh, okay.

I'll send you both. And then he goes broke doing that. That's what I hope happens. That guy was weird. I didn't like him at all. No, me neither. Let's get Neve from a catfish. Yeah. Is he still doing that?

That's got to be exhausting. I don't know. I'm not sure. That'll start with the movie, right? And he got the show on MTV. I believe so, yeah. Yeah, that's fun time. But anyway, that show really is great.

But anyway, we get to Danny and Luke and they're obviously decompressing from last night while Luke is trying to fish. And Lala joins. and she brings up the liking of the comments. What I will say is that at least Danny was able in this moment to acknowledge the comment side of things and be like, I probably shouldn't have liked those. But here's my issue with when we go into these conversations. And it happens when Nia's there.

It happens when Nia's not there. It doesn't really matter. It happens when Doty's there. And she's there to defend on his behalf, Luke, whatever. we are not acknowledging he did anything wrong at this point. No. When we have the conversation, it's 100% from the lens of Janet's a monster. She said horrible things about Danny.

She defamed his character. And that's terrible. But we're not adding into all of that. Why? We're not talking about what he did. It has now turned into a 100% Janet's wrong. everyone's attacking Danny. Danny is innocent entirely.

And that's where I get really irritated. Yeah, but dude, I mean, he's been going to his therapist to talk about this. He's been working through it. But not to say, like, that's my point. Like, he went to his therapist to work through it, but not work through his actions. He went to the therapist to work through the witch hunt. Yeah. Like, that's my whole point.

Like, you're not acknowledging your part. I'm actually really surprised that we haven't seen Danny and Nia with a therapist or a life coach or anything on the show. They don't, what do you mean? They don't like to share anything. That's a good point. It's also probably just a pastor at their church who's just like Danny's cousin. So it wouldn't really matter anyway. But I would still love to see that just to nitpick it.

I would love to hear what his point of view is because there's no way. He's not taking any responsibility within the group. You can't tell me that he's going to confession on Sundays and actually taking responsibility and, you know, trying to do penance for any of his sins. I'm sure he's just spinning it into, look, I mean, I had a couple of like just weird nights. I drank a little too much. I just, you know, I went a little overboard, but they're not letting me go. And it's really bothering me.

And it's affecting my life. And it's affecting my wife's life. And I don't know what to do. Like, that's how it's going. Yeah, I hadn't bumped into my friend's ass. Like, she was walking by it. I actually bumped into her. It's just crazy.

Can you imagine this like this cancel culture right now? It's just brutal. And like the only, the only canceling that I'm ever going to listen to is when Jesus cancels me. And he's never going to do that because he forgives. Like, that's how it goes. Honestly, that was probably verbatim how it went into congressional booth. But like, for example. Cancell culture doesn't mean anything to God.

God won't cancel me. But like in this moment, you know, again, he's like, my name was attached to words I would have never thought. And that's because of her, period. It's like, well, why is she saying those words? There's a reason. And it's not just because she's on a witch hunt, Danny. you did something. But again, we are not acknowledging that Danny did anything now.

They're using this as like, it's so bad what you've done that it negates everything Danny did. It's like, no, no. And that's why I get so frustrated. Like if you wanted to have a conversation back and forth where it's like, I fucked up. I apologize to Jasmine. She accepted my apology. We're trying to move forward. But attaching my name to Predator, I thought was overboard.

And it damaged my life. that's a conversation. That's a capability that we can get to. Yep. That's totally fine. He's never going to do that and he would never do that. But that is, I agree, a conversation that we can go through. And like the way when we're like, obviously Luke that never holds him accountable,

but the way Lala's going about it, like that's when I start questioning where I'm like, all right, maybe Lala's going about it and trying to get something out of him by being nice. Because we don't see Lala approach something like this to this severity very nicely. So I wonder if she is just kind of doing a trial and error thing like, hey, I sat down, I called him out at the right time about the comments on Instagram just to see what we were going to get. Denied, deny, deny, deny. And then he agrees like, yeah, I liked a couple of comments, but we were in a weird place.

Okay, we're getting somewhere. Let me be a little nicer and see if maybe we can get them to take some accountability for anything. That's where it stops. That's where it's always going to stop. He'll admit fault to the very smallest extent, just like social media, just like, hey, I got a little too drunk last night, but like, who doesn't get a little too drunk? There's always a butt at the end of things like that.

Always every time. Once we get anywhere even remotely close to what Janet said, because Janet's involved in this, because of the real world ramifications and all of those things, he's never going to admit that. He could just say a couple different things and skirt around it, but still somewhat admit some fault. And I think that would be a better situation than what he's been doing

because the denial is just brutal. And now we're actually getting to a point, and especially in this episode, we're not only him, but now Nia is like emboldened by it. And it's really just all the same. shit. And it's what we've been talking about for two seasons. You guys hate Janet so much for what she said that you will never move past it. And it's always going to be Janet's fault. It's always

going to be Janet's problem. They don't even revisit the actions that got us there. Correct. And Janet says as much later, she literally goes. If they took some semblance of accountability, I think I'd be able to move on. But they're denying that anything really happened at this juncture. And that's why we get stuck on this back and forth to nowhere. But we see Jasmine, Zach and Benji and Melissa, and they're hanging out. They're obviously talking after last night. And emotions are still a little high. And Zach does apologize.

And what ends up happening with stuff like this as well is you look at that situation. And now Danny and Nia and Doty can all say, we're not going after Zach for drinking. He was screaming up people's face last night. It's like they're not mutually exclusive. Like, yeah, I agree. That's completely inappropriate. He went way too far and he owes everybody an apology. And if this is frequent behavior, then he needs to address it.

Instead of saying, this is what is so funny to me, instead of saying like, I think everyone needs to have a look in the mirror when it comes to alcohol in this group, they go the other way where it's like everyone gets out of control and that's fine. So we're all going to get out of control and not think about it, not talk about it. instead of saying, oh, maybe we should all address our issues with drinking. Maybe we all go a little bit too hard.

Nah, we just need to treat everybody the same when they lose their shit. Yeah, which it's funny too, because I think, I forget if it was this show or something else that we started talking about,

like, hey, just pointed everybody to be like, hey, you've got a problem too, and then we can kind of get back to it. I don't think it was this show, though,

now I'm thinking about it. I just, it's just bizarre to me to watch. Like, yeah, I understand when there's an individual or a couple, and they look,

for that cop out and they just kind of go with that. Like, all right, but you do this. It's like, okay, that's deflection. I understand that. It's very bizarre to me to watch an entire group of people use a cop out to exonerate two people and throw themselves under the bus at the same time. It doesn't make any sense. Logically speaking, it makes no sense that they're trying to like raise up this guy who's

done bad things instead of holding him accountable. And like, it's one thing to just completely turn a blind eye. it's another thing to make excuses for somebody else. It doesn't really make any sense. And then when you involve yourself in that by saying, I have the same problems, do you realize what you're doing? Because one, I mean,

we know you don't have the same problems. But if another dude in that group of Jesse said that and he's like, yeah, you know, Danny just, he gets a little too drunk. He gets into dark Danny. He just goes overboard and he does weird shit, especially when women are around. I do the same thing.

That would be a crazy thing to say. That's sort of what you guys are saying right now, except for the word and the words and the actions that you're not expressly saying. Why is no one talking about the elephant in the room? We always stop at the drinking. And that's what it's turning into. And that's why I think it's just, it's incredibly frustrated because we've already known, we're never going to get anywhere with this drinking thing.

But that's not the big problem. The big problem is what happens after the drinking, which none of you are talking about. And as soon as we start talking about it, all hell breaks loose and we get nowhere. And we just do it time and time again. Yeah, and like we got a comment, I think two weeks ago on YouTube in defense of Danny and somebody was like, you know, I get drunk with my friends and like my male friends like grab my ass sometimes. It's just like funny and lighthearted. I was like, ugh. And also it's not for you to dictate how Jasmine received Danny making it advance like that.

Like that was the craziest defense I've seen thus far. It was like okaying grabbing somebody's ass without consent. It's like, that's a bad comment. But you liked it, didn't you, Dad? You liked it, didn't you, Jasmine? That's what it's giving. That's what I got from it. Yeah, like, what the fuck?

What do you mean? Danny's a good looking dude? Like, what's the problem? That's what I was getting from this. I'm like, Jesus Christ, how can this get any worse? Yeah, it's pretty fucking brutal. But the one thing that they do get out of this conversation is, you know, Zach says, you guys say I ride so hard for Danny, but I do check him.

And they're like, when, first of all. And then he's like, he's hiding and he's lying. And that's an issue. Tell Danny that. I have told Danny that you gently had a conversation with Danny in the bookstore from what I remember. And then when you brought up the lying to him, this was so soft. It was so gentle just to get through this. But you didn't actually hold him accountable.

It's like you lied to my face. And then when he says the white claw thing, like, you guys really just, okay. Yeah. Like he lied about hiding his drinking. And then you ask him point blank about the white call. He's so quick to deny. And you guys are quick to believe given that you just questioned him about lying.

You just, and like I know you saw this too. His face when they bring it up, he looked right at Benji. I was waiting for him to go after Benji and be like, why are you lying about me? That's what I was waiting for. But he looked at Benji. Or why are you so invested in what I'm doing? Like, why are you keeping tax on me? Anything could have happened there.

But I was looking at Danny's face and he immediately darts over to look at Benji. I'm waiting to see what he's going to do. He cops do it because he realizes he's caught. He doesn't realize he's caught about the white clothing. It's clear as day. Like he doesn't realize that anybody saw him. Nobody can confirm it. The cameras confirm it.

But, you know, we'll wait until a reunion for that. That's going to be a doozy. That's going to be so exciting to discuss and talk about. Whatever. It's that's what he's doing. He's just like the denial is another, it's another layer of it. It's one thing to do it and high. it's one thing to do it and to hide it from people.

Then when you get called out, if you cop to it, then it's like, okay, maybe we can get somewhere with this. Maybe we can do something with this stuff because clearly you know what you're doing. And if you just stay in the lane of, you know, I don't feel comfortable drinking in front of you guys, but I do want to have a drink. And I can't really get over that barrier. It's like, all right, I don't like that personally, but I understand where you're coming from. I get it. I fully understand it. If you were a normal dude and I actually kind of respected you, I would probably try.

try to discuss this in a normal matter that will actually contribute a little bit. But then you immediately lie about the white claw that we saw you with. So that's another layer on top of it. Now it's becoming more of a problem because not only are you hiding it, but now you're lying about it. So that's even worse. What's the next step? Like there's going to be more to this.

So it's just a big problem. Yep, exactly. And I don't see how it's resolved if we're not going to hold his feet to the fire, which apparently we're not going to do. We're just going to sidestep it so that we can sweep this uncomfortable conversation under the rug. And like, again, I don't want to sit here for 45 minutes to an hour discussing the same topic. Like, I don't enjoy doing this.

I know you don't enjoy doing this, but we have to pick apart every little thing to, because that's all we're getting. This is the only storyline of the season. And every scene revolves around this. So here we are, every single scene talking about the same thing. Again, now we're shopping. And we get a quick check in with Doity where it's like, how you think? She's like, I'm super anxious.

You know, Kyya's been screaming for two hours. I feel like a monster handing her off to my sister. Totally reasonable. That's got to be tough. Props to her for actually going with the crew without Kyah and like letting her sister take care of her. I'm sure that was really tough. But we get back to last night in the cut conversation. And Doty immediately just blind defense.

You get Jesse who's like, oh, it's still triggered and hurt. And then Janet, she's on this bus. as they're all talking about this whole thing, and her takeaway is, I'm not the one that brought this up necessarily, like go on Reddit, there's stuff floating around. Like this was going to come out eventually.

Yep. And Nia's defense wasn't, and I don't even know if she knows this, it wasn't saying that Danny didn't do things or that he had these indiscretions. Her defense was it wouldn't have been a headline without you. So it's like, okay,

So you're acknowledging that some shit went down, which you haven't done. And your problem is that Janet made it a headline, not that Danny did it. Got it. Okay. It's even more frustrating, too, because if he was never checked, if Janet never did it, like I said, we disagree with the way she went about it. But like, I don't care anymore. If Janet never did it, you can't tell me that the situation, the actions wouldn't continue. That's the problem.

So you can say all you want about it not being a headline. eventually push is going to come to shove. He's a reality TV star. Somebody's going to catch it. Somebody's going to talk about it. At some point, the Reddit thing's going to catch fire. Other people are going to comment on it. And then it'll be brought to light.

There's Bravo bloggers that routinely just go on Reddit and find shit and put it out there. Eventually, it's going to be a headline. Janet just accelerated the process at the end of the day. But we're never going to admit that. No. No. And that's the big thing. Like,

you think that when Dark Danny started to show his face that people weren't going to dig and try to find some shit, about who dark Danny is? Like your issue should not be that Janet blew it up. Your issue should be that it happened. And there's reason for that. That's the problem there. And she's like Janet,

you know, she apologized and clearly she was lying. It's like, actually, if you break down what she said, because even in this moment, she is sorry that she hurt Jasmine and Melissa and Nia.

If we go back to her apology, she says to you, I'm sorry that I hurt you. So no, her apology was actually real. She's sorry for you catching flack on behalf of Danny. And that you had to go through this as well. And I do believe her there. But we're now at a point.

And, you know, when Janet just gets up and leaves, like that's her MO, which is kind of frustrating. But at the same time, can you really expect her to sit there and try to get a point across? Because nobody defends her. Nobody backs her up. It becomes like four on one. And then you might get Jasmine speaking up to help out Jan. you might get Lala jumping in, but that's it. So like part of me is like, yeah, I would love if she sat there and went back and forth,

but she also knows how that's going to go. So can I really falter for being like, I'm not doing this again? I'm going to get dragged. I'm just going to get the fuck out of here. I think it's just, we talked about like the way she goes about it. Like I don't agree with the way she goes about it because she does get rattled and then she starts saying shit and then she gets mad at everybody in the group. But when you really break it down, she has no support.

there's not one person there that's going to say she's literally standing by herself and nia has people circling her yeah which is fucking ludicrous like your husband is a terrible guy and people are like i'm so sorry nia that she keeps doing this to you like come on give me a fucking break but at the same time jadet can try to you know conduct yourself a little bit better i guess i don't know maybe i'm splitting hairs it's just the fact that there's not one person there that's going to just go to Janet and be like, hey, like, I understand what you're saying. I get where you're coming from. It's pretty fucking frustrating.

And I agree with you. That's it. That's really all the Janet needs. And look, I don't know what kind of effect that's going to have, knowing Janet over for three years. That'll probably emboldened her to go harder, which I don't care about it anymore. Like all the people out there that say, like, I can't get behind Janet. She's a terrible person. She's turning into, especially with this Danny shit, a full time necessary evil.

if somebody, anybody in that cast can just go to Janet and say, look, I get what you're saying. I understand where you're coming from. And by the way, you're right. That will empower her so much where she will go off the defense. She will go after Danny directly. And that'll get messy. And the problem is we watch this. When people press Danny, all of a sudden at the end of it, it's like, oh, poor Danny.

It doesn't make any sense to me. If you push him far enough, and again, this is just, you know, it's the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That's kind of where we're getting. And that's kind of where Janet is probably, where she's like, there's no point. Everybody fucking hates me. I can't talk about this. I do like that she's standing in her truth when she's getting off the bus.

She's like, look, I apologize for what I said to you, how it affected you. I'm not apologizing for the truth. I spoke the truth. So what? And then she walks off and Dia's like, well, see, she didn't mean the apology. It's like, no. She just said she meant what she said to you, which was the apology that we saw. She doesn't apologize for the Danny aspect, nor should she.

That's where we are. And you guys won't go. And that's just an impasse that we're never going to get over. Yep. And while that's going on, we get the pool crew. And that's where Zach finally calls out Danny for his lying. It's funny, you talked about Danny making a face. I didn't even realize I wrote in my notes, look at Danny's face.

So his reaction to all of this tells a whole different story to the whole thing. And again, the lying is the main issue. And see, that's what's frustrating. Everyone is chalking it up to the lying is the biggest problem. Is it or is it him grabbing ass when he's drunk? Like which one's the biggest problem? Why are we acting like it didn't happen? Janet literally said, and I'm repeating myself so many times,

she literally said if there was any semblance of accountability, there would probably be a way forward. But they're now just, it didn't happen, apparently. and everyone's blowing it out of proportion. And now we're minimizing and now we're just avoiding. And like the inability of anybody in this group to grow a pair of balls and just like sit there and push and press until you get resolution or things fall apart. I don't really care which one happens at this juncture. But just the allowing of him to just skirt by and the issue has now become people are calling him.

an alcoholic and he's lying versus what he did and why this whole thing started. I know we've said it a million times, but like that's crazy to me that we've just glossed over the initial infraction, the initial issue that started this whole thing. So the big problem is lying, not him doing an appropriate shit when he's drunk. Got it. Just yeah, thanks.

Fully understand. I also think one of the funnier things is Danny in his confessionals in his fucking stupid ass leather pants. He looks like a fucking loser. And he's like complaining that people are going after him. And we're sitting here like, you just skirt by no matter what you do. We never get to the real shit. And yet he can still sit there and he genuinely is upset that he's being pressed about drinking. He's pressed about lying about drinking. And he's like, I just can't believe it's every time. Every time that I'm hanging out with these people, they have to press me about. There are so much worse, worse things that you've done that we could be pressing.

over and over and over again, and that would be their prerogative. They don't want to touch it. You're actually getting off scot-free as far as I'm concerned, and you're still crying in your confessionals in your stupid-ass leather pants. No, it's a great point. Like, this is not the worst thing that you've done, as we know. Like, that's objective fact because of what you did to Jasmine. So the fact that, like you said, that you're sitting there,

woe is me because they're calling me a liar while you're lying. Are you kidding? Like it's just stupid. It's so stupid. I have to go and see the, the Doty crew at lunch and the minute it's brought up, like Michelle brings it up, which I was proud of Michelle for bringing up.

She just says everyone's had a good season. She had a great season, great season. I don't want that to go under the radar too much. That's the funny thing is Lala and Michelle are probably having the best season. Schwartz is shorts. Everybody else I don't care about. But those two are actually doing their jobs and they're doing a pretty good job. Yep, exactly.

You got Michelle. away from Jesse and now she's thriving. But she says, and I think this is a great way to start the conversation. She didn't say it with any animosity. It was just a statement. Everyone in this group feels uncomfortable when Danny drinks. Well, last night, did you feel uncomfortable? That's not the point.

It doesn't have to be every single time for it to be a problem. That pissed me off. But they're like, everyone wants him to be this terrible person. And then Doty projects onto Zach, Brittany, and Jasmine. and we've talked about this before. I don't think that argument exonerates at all. I think it calls more attention to it because, yeah, they get out of hand sometimes. Yeah, Zach last night was fucking insane.

He should have gotten that or should not have gotten to that level. But none of them did anything sexually inappropriate with anybody else. Nope. So like the only one you can compare it to, and this would be valid, And we talked about it a little bit, like two years ago, when Jesse pinched Doty's nipple. And we were like, oh, like, that was fun. And like that one could have been made into a much bigger deal because that was wildly inappropriate. It's so funny you bring that up.

How long did we talk about the fact that Jesse pants Danny? That too. Like, oh my God, I even think about that. Pantsing Danny was the end of the fucking world. That was sexual assault. Like, she said that. did she not I think so

wait how do we forget that that just every that makes everything Nolan void everything is now Nolan void it already was but even more so now like are you kidding we gotta go back and find that clip of her yeah think she said that oh wow yeah that's that's incredible

I forgot all about that I think we just lost over it because it was such a stupid as story of whatever he fucking pants them Danny wear underwear next time or wear some fucking board shorts or whatever. I don't care what you do. Jesus, yeah, that was such a big deal. And we talked about it for like three episodes.

It was probably the same day that Jesse pinched Doty's nipple, which was incredibly wrong. Yes. Not the good thing to do. Jesse had to apologize like 50 times for that, did apologize, did take accountability, said he was sorry. Michelle actually ended up sitting down with Jesse. And those two had a big discussion about it.

And he apologized to Michelle. And we were like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how we feel about Jesse. And now we're talking about Danny doing worse shit when he gets drunk. And it gets swept under the rug. And now we're just talking about his drinking. God, I hate the show so much. I can't believe we forgot that.

And like the way that Mia reacted to that whole entire thing. And now in this instance, like talk about a hypocrite. That's wild. How did we forget that? I totally changed everything. I forgot all about that. Yeah. Oh, God.

These people. these people. So frustrating. Let's get to some questions. First one up, not a question. Well, kind of a question. This was heartbreaking from Amelia K-15.06. I'm over this.

They were new shows like this and Beverly Hills, but then they put Ladies of London on pause. That was like the worst news possible. And pause, honestly. Pause for a one-off ensemble show on Bravo is never a good sign. It's probably over. And I also saw Kimmy commenting on a lot of different things and it was just like heartbreak heartbreak it's very sad that was such a good show

it was yeah no they're gonna run this fucking dumbass show into the ground uh make it makes sense pretty ricky 22 none of these people like each other and want to hang out i'm tired of it we are two yeah we are too uh from pineapple bex if jasmine invited danny to her wedding should we slash janet in the butt grab combo no because danny hasn't taken accountability for it like he did it with Jasmine but there was more than just Jasmine and that's the thing that Janet is she's not articulating well but I don't think anybody's going to listen to her anyway there were other things that happens like we talked about a fan being uncomfortable because Danny was like trying to kiss her on the cheek and shit like it there's more shit that happens

like yes he did acknowledge it with Jasmine but he was forced to do that anyone else he doesn't have to take accountability and that's all we're talking about. Mm-hmm. Marissa and Palma what is it about? What is it about? about Lala that triggers Danny compared to the rest of the cast calling him out. She doesn't let him skirt by. Like the ho-hum answers where he's trying to just deviate and change the subject. Like she keeps pressing. And I think that irritates him.

And I think you could take it a step further and say he doesn't think that a woman should be talking to him like that. Yeah. I genuinely believe he's like, who are you? Like know your place kind of shit. And I think that's a big part. From Liv Bender, I wish that we had flashed over to Jason on the couch with his leg up, taking all of Janet's calls. That would have been funny.

Just leave one camera person, like hanging out with Jason. I assume that like one of their parents is helping out with Janet's mom is there. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think Jason could do a whole lot right now. No. Oh, boy.

Especially him because an ACL is apparently life altering surgery. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I am unbelievable. Jacqueline Michelle Cress. Help me understand what this show is doing. I can't. We try. We've been tried since it aired this season. We are still running around in circles.

Yeah. Robert writer of stuff. I'm giving up and going fully to recaps. I just can't anymore. And that's a good response too. We get at least one person every episode that's like, then don't cover it. You don't have to watch it.

We do. We do because you beautiful people, listen to it so we do have to watch it so that we can talk to you about it so it is what it is yeah i'm going to put it in terms that danny can understand this is our cross to bear just like go nicely done well done uh from hannah parsin melissa could put an end to all of this madness if she said janet was right or wrong i'm not going to put that on melissa that is not on melissa or jasmine necessarily to do that um i think that to be honest where we were at the end of last season,

Jasmine and Melissa had their own problems with Danny. They felt comfortable moving forward. That's all that really matters for them. We don't need to reinsert them. And again, like I said before, the thing that Janet is trying to pursue is not just about Jasmine and Melissa.

It's about other things. It's about the other shit that Danny has done when he's drunk. Yep. Like one or two more. From Shoshi Davis, Bravo keeps this misery, but puts Ladies of London on pause. Big mistake.

Yeah, I'm going to be hiding those. It's Holly, Why is Lady London put on pause? And we were forced to watch this dark, non-funn show. I don't know. Don't know. Don't really know.

Let's do one more if we have a good one in here. From B hit, this is still airing, but ladies, the London gets paused thoughts on this. I don't know. You guys are on the right track right now. This is, it is ridiculous. We all, all of us enjoyed ladies of London.

None of us enjoy the valley. Not even kind of. Ladies of London was lovely. That's such a shame. uh we can end on this one from lake and joy 11 hated danny's quote unquote this is my first rodeo excuse is he forgetting it's his third season he was being sarcastic but yeah yeah i don't know man i i have no fucking clue what whatever's going on just put us out of our misery the ends this show early i i call for it pretty much every season uh i i think steel and i

both got scrutinized in the first or early second season. Both of us at different times have both said, this show is going to crash and burn if they don't fix something, and they never fixed anything. And we are currently in the crash phase. The burn phase will probably be next season. And we're going to hate it even more. So there's no end in sight.

Hopefully they pick cameras up right away. Maybe they'll pick cameras up right away and we'll only get like a two month break. Yeah, but I hate to be this guy. Not really. We told you so. Yep. We called this two years ago. Yeah.

And yet here we are still having to watch this every week. It is literally the bane of our existence every week. And then when this ends, OC comes back. That'll be, again, I still think that's going to be okay for two weeks. It'll be an okay reprieve. You are. They'll start off okay. I'm being optimistic.

It's just the Vicki Gundleson effect. But I don't think that she has anything in her to really write that ship. Yeah, you're a way more optimistic than I am. But we'll be back next week to talk about this show. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be on vacation. So I'm really not going to.

I might even just get hammered before we do that recap. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah. It would be a good time. Yeah. And then, but no, I'll, I'll be hammered slurring my words. And I'll try to tell everybody that I'm not really drunk. I didn't.

And I'll ask questions. Yeah. I'll dig. Like, did you hide it? Are you drinking behind? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm going full back at after. We'll do role play. That's fine. But yeah, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Rapros are out of here.

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