Bros & Shows - West Wilson Full Interview (Summer House)

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

What's up Bros?! We have fellow BravBro West Wilson on today's pod to discuss all things Summer House. We chat about his career as a sports broadcaster, his relationship with Ciara. Some Mustache talk between Shooter and West. We get into the bromance that has sprouted between him and Jesse and of course we touch on being in the house with Lindsay and Carl during this tumultuous season. Even though he's a bandwagon Chief's fan, we had a blast chatting with West an we think youse will love this interview! Time Stamps: Jesse (9:40) Mustache Talk (11:35) Ciara (14:05) Bravo Recs for West (30:50) Lindsay and Carl (40:00) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to a special episode of Brav Bros. I'm here with your favorite co-host, Shooter Magoutur, and we have a special... Oh, I'm Steele. I always forget to do myself when we're doing these.

But we have a special guest today with us, and that is West Wilson joining us. West, what's up, East? What up, Beast? How are you guys? What's up, East? Are you guys in the same building or different? Different buildings. We actually live right across the street from each other.

So his house is in the same neighborhood is where my apartment building is. What part of Philly? Just outside, like near Concha Hockham. Okay. Matt Fiat Hill, Plymouth Meeting area. I also, I also, obviously, I'm going to ask, what's your go-to cheese steak? Oh, I mean, it's, Angelo's is the move, but it's so hard to get. But then, I mean, our, like, grow-up spot where I went when I was growing up is Delisondros.

And I, that's still one of my favorite. My roommates is Delisondros. Have you all ever been to Maxes in North Philly? It's like above Temple, dude, I, someone told me to go there on Twitter one time, and I pulled up and I'll never go anywhere else. Yeah, dude, that's the place from a creed when they go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good spot. I mean, the thing about what's up? Don't they give you like a full, if you want.

Don't they give you like a box of like shrimp to go to? And like they just have all this like random food on top of it. They didn't hook me up, but they do they do mayonnaise on theirs unless you say no mayo, which I do like a mayo. Philly people probably don't love that. Well, they're not like it's lost in the cheese and stuff anyway. So I feel like, but that's the thing like Philly cheese steak wise. you can get a decent cheese steak in most pizza shops like the best place is to stand out but

most cheese steaks are solid around here they get a bad one every once in a while but uh but yeah i would say angelo's is definitely the current best but there's always new ones popping up had a good one in um oh shit the redding terminal market the other day i forget what that place is called campos love campos they have at the uh at the ballpark they have it down at citizens bank oh is this cheese steak talk with the boys or what yeah yeah now Yeah, now we're just talking about that. We'll probably segue directly in the sports and just never talk about Bravo, you know, how that goes.

Well, yeah, dude, you're a sports writer. That's awesome. Yeah. So I worked for Bleacher Report for, like, from, like, 2019 to the end of 2022. Bleacher Report got acquired. I got laid off. But it was, like, the sick. It was, like, sickest job ever, like, did the most random, coolest shit with, like, good access.

And then now we're for Complex, which. more pop culture base, but we have a little sports sector, small team like three. But also, I mean, we get fun people in the studio all the time, so it's great. That's awesome. And how did that kind of lead you into reality TV?

Like, how did you make the transition from sports writer to Summerhouse? Dude, so the also, when will this come out? Tomorrow. Okay. So. We can push it, though, if you need to. No, no, no.

So I announce that I got laid off in the episode, in this upcoming episode. So how it actually happened, I, Bleach report layoff happened, got a call. And they were like, yo, we like calling from a TV show, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I had no reason to, like, not entertain it at the time because I was literally not employed. He needed something, needed a little, just needed something to do. And I was like, all right, let's see what happens. And did the show. Second till, so a part of like, you'll see at this upcoming episode, I'm like, oh, I'm like looking for work, which is if anyone's been laid off, it's like a very humbling experience.

It just kind of, you know, it like, it messes with your self-confidence a little bit. It's embarrassing to tell everyone, you know, when you're at a bar or anything. So, weirdly enough. I am employed now, so that's not a spoiler, but that the complex job happened while we were in the house. So, like, there's a very wholesome moment on the way. That's awesome. Yeah, it was great. And it also, like, everyone passed crew, everyone was, like, genuinely happy for me, just kind of, because they had to, like, be a part of that whole job search journey, which everyone, again, is just, like, getting kicked in the nuts, like, day after day.

and so that was a one of my favorite parts of like the summer yeah to answer your question getting laid off actually it's what like to this there you go we're kind of glad you got fired then no me too it's great yeah it opens so many different doors but i feel like and i want to ask how you feel about this because we get to see in the first couple episodes you are like you're opening up to the rest of the house and you're accepted it seems like almost immediately and obviously you know you knew lindsay and carl beforehand but you just see seemed like you went in completely genuine, completely yourself, just wanted to have a good time, which we always value on this show because the last couple seasons get a little boring.

We just want people to have fun and enjoy themselves. That's what the show's all about. You came in with the right energy. How was that, you know, the first couple of weekends that you were there with everybody just accepting you immediately and just feeling like this is our guy. This is who we want to be with. I mean, it was great. Like, once you get to know everyone, you're like, oh, I don't know why I thought these people,

like, wouldn't be nice. Like, everyone is, are good people. everyone's obviously extroverted so it's yeah not that hard but i mean i just kind of stuck to like i mean like you said genuine i tried to be as authentic as possible and i think kind of it was just the right mix of not trying too hard to be anyone or anything or fit in but also like you know get it send a couple chirps i made dinner like just kind of you know earning your spot but you can't do that by being you know like a walking in and being afraid of everything so i kind of just i whatever happened it just is the right little mixture but yeah there's the perfect fit and like that we've seen

you know we are late to the game bravo dudes that's how this started for us is i was in a relationship my now wife was a big bravo fan and she was watching during quarantine like from episode one of bpr she was rewatching and i got like sucked into it dude one of those boyfriends man who just it happens by accident it's like that yeah and so like i got into it really quick i was like binging while she was asleep i watched like seven i knocked out seven seasons of vanderpump in like a week and a half like it was my goodness yeah i got like locked in so that's how i started shooter's first show that he liked was summer house so i was late to summer house but i've watched the last few years and it's like when you see new people come into the house usually there's that

weird period in the beginning some people come in way too comfortable too quick some people come in really awkward this is the first time that we've seen two people you and your boy jesse which we want to talk about a little bit but yeah you guys both came in and just kind of you fell right into the mix and it was awesome to see and it was really good to see and like we talk about this on the podcast we were so excited to have you on because it's like one of the dudes got on it's just like one of the guys and like we fucking love that yeah exactly like oh yeah it's it's just it's refreshing to see especially because you didn't come in like guns blazing you weren't being a douchebag to people you're being polite to everybody but funny you're taking jabs like

I guess my question for you is were you nervous about it or were you just like you know what I'm going to be myself um well I've done I mean obviously I've done Airbnbs with like groups of friends forever and like I've been doing Montauk for three summers before this so like even just you know that driving route or like taking the train out there like knowing those bars like it was kind of what i was going to be doing that summer anyways so like why not kind of make the get paid to do it yeah um that was dope but i i do think having jesse with me allowed like us to like be our own relationship and then karl and kyle could kind of do what they needed to do and it wasn't one of us like chasing them around like they were like our you know like our older brothers

kind of thing so we got to like do what we needed to do like like you see in the morning we'd wake up and put on goggles and like jump like just dumb shit like that like it was cool to have someone yeah like it was comforting almost it's also a new experience for him too yeah i mean anything in life that we do like i don't know jv football or like a reality show for the first time whatever anytime you go through something new or something like kind of uncomfortable the people you're going through it with you you're by nature just going to bond with him a little bit um that being said jesse is like also he is a bro so at work he also came in a little a little hotter than me um yeah a little bit way hotter which i kind of subconsciously was like if he's going to be

this duchy i can kind of like get away with murder at this point and just kind of like kind of like just chill like behind him because he's already kind of lit some fires so i used him i used him like for my benefit for the first two weekends but then obviously we were like we're boys like pretty quick so once you make that trip up from the city over to him i feel like it's you got a lot of bonding material there but i think you played it perfectly i think you know he walked in the house your immediate reaction was fuck this dude's like six five he's gorgeous i'm already kind of vibing a little bit of sierra i'm having a great time with everybody else he's going to in he doesn't have to do much except for smile and i'm just kicked to the fucking curb

and i think you use that to your advantage but that that's how boys become boys at that point you got you get to ride up to the hampton together and then before you know it you're pissing in the woods and just sword fighting you know you know what's so crazy dude is i got a dm from this guy who was uh self-proclaimed overweight and he was like dude i've never felt more seen in my life by you when the like tall handsome guy with abs walked in and i was like what are we doing what a back-handed compliment yeah but that was funny and just you're going through his pictures and you're like ah dude that's not me dude it was tough but um that also on that note too it's just like funny that all a lot of the comments i'm getting are like this proves that like looks don't

matter like if you're cool and funny oh no it everyone means well it's just it's funny to my personality somehow like shit on my looks by like that's self-demority property yeah i think that you're a handsome fella i don't get that you're welcome dude i appreciate that more people you know there's more to me than jokes they've got a great mustache which i could always appreciate yeah we always appreciate yours is better than mine it's just because it's dark you you you have the blonde so you got to have to grow it out as much as you can it's just do you always keep um do you go thick here with like a one two here yeah usually yeah if i honestly i do it like i i'm actually i'm going to a bachelor party this weekend the march man is in pitts

and i'm probably going to shave all the way down which i do for like special events but gross yeah i know i said that at all she can't say like that special events yeah yeah Yeah, it does sound like I'm doing a little man-scaping. But no, I usually do shave it down a little bit. The thing is, it just, it looks a little questionable, you know? No, it does. When it's part, like, yeah. Yeah.

You got to make sure, like, what you're wearing is, like, appropriate with the mustache. So, like, a tight t-shirt tucked in the jeans, probably not a good call. Yeah, or just like, don't, yeah, don't, like, drive around cars in cars alone. Like, just you have to be conscious. Stay out of school zones, you know, the actual type of thing. He wears a lot of turtlenecks. He goes for that. I wear a Ron Burgundy look.

Dude, I'm in on a turtleneck. It's a good look. Yeah. I do. It's a little hot. It's a good look. I've gone into like a white turtleneck under like a big sweater. Yeah.

It looks very like 80s, 90s. I think it's a sick look. And it complements the mustache really well. Yeah. There is something about a turtleneck with a mustache that just weirdly makes it. I don't know why. That's interesting. That's really,

I wonder if you need to shave and wear a turtleneck without a stash and see if it has the same effect. Nah, that's, that's what I'm talking about there. That's, that's when I have to start, like, being aware of where I am around people. I have always thought, though, that like a must, like, at least for me, I thought when I started rocking a mustache, it opened up a lot of doors, like, but you could kind of get away with, like, more hipster shit, you know? Yeah, I think, yeah, that actually makes sense. Not only that, like, I'm talking to a girl right now, and she came up right away, and she's like, I love the mustache. I'm like, there we go. I probably wouldn't You know, you compliment my mustache more than anyone is drunk dudes at bars.

But not like, not dudes hitting on me, but just like a guy who's like, yo, bro, sick mustache. That happens way more than any girl has ever common. That's always. It's the best. And honestly, it feels genuine coming from that. No, it does. It actually makes me feel pretty good about it. Totally does.

Yeah. This is what I wanted. This is all I really want to talk about, you guys mustaches. Yeah, this is, this is a great combo. I do want to get to, speaking of people liking your mustache, we saw, we saw some, some sparks between you and Sierra, and look, she doesn't, she doesn't warm up to people very quickly in past season. So the first question that we all need to know, and I don't know if you can answer it or not,

but I'm going to ask anyway, are you guys still, you know, seeing where things are going, or is that a summer loving kind of deal? No, we're trying to figure stuff out, for sure. Oh, nice. But, like, we'll see. but i think watching it play out will be fun for everyone like i think it's a good wholesome progression it i mean what i've seen so far it's just cute as shit like when you guys are doing your shit like even from day one when you guys are cooking together i was like i haven't

seen her vibe with anybody like this before and the way you played it because again when we see dudes come on this show we get much more of the jesse vibe and i will say from out of the gate when he said that statement about i only go after taking chicks because they must be good that's why they're in relationships we both said i completely yeah yeah what a dumb ass but we both talked about after seeing him on like the first episode he was on i was like i don't think that he's this dushy i think that he no dude i think he i've said this a couple times he like he portrays duchier than like he actually is because the page thing he like he like talked about it worse than he actually acted on it if that makes sense it's like i was never like

oh this guy's hitting on her that hard he just like said the little shit where you were like what are you do what are you doing the borderline like uh you know yeah so he's he's like actually a softy um he just you know he's got he like comes in with a little chip on his shoulder i guess but but why he's like six nine and like a good looking if i was that tall i would never have a chip on my shoulder ever you think that but like not everyone can be teddy bear vibes you know that's a good point yeah you know they reserve that for you apparently according to the commenters but uh wait i i do want to i do want to ask so in the last episode you said something to sierra that really opened my eyes and if you know what i mean it literally opened my eyes

i now think that when i make out my eyes are wide open oh dude dude do you still do it or are you like now correctively okay here this is what i think you know how if you or like if you're doing a concussion test you stand on one leg and then you like i don't know 10 seconds then they go close your eyes you fall right over yep i like with my eyes closed i don't feel like i have my bearings and like i'm like as athletic as normal so i think you have to be athletic in the bedroom you have to be athletic in the bedroom you yeah i keep my eyes open so i just like know what's going on i can see what's happening no your eyes usually closed no no no shooter did this the other day when we were talking about another episode yeah when we were making out yeah

was staring at me we made out really quick i had to show him we agreed we wouldn't look at each other no when we were talking about this episode on our podcast like last week he was like i think i do that and i was like that's fucking weird why do you do that and he's like i don't know like what it's for athleticism that's your that's both of your excuses no no i i didn't say that i didn't say that i'm just here west out here but i mean there's my theory like hold any ground the concussion test. Yeah. I think you're, like, I think it's more, I need to know where I am. Because like, you know, you stop, you start. It's pretty much what Sierra said last week. You stop, you start, you go in and out and do that. I can't keep my eyes closed the whole time. I'll end up kissing

like a cheekbone. Literally. I know that like you've got to keep them close and movies. Eyes are closed. But I just have been. That's where we all learned how to kiss. Spatial awareness, fellas. Like, what are we talking about? That's actually a good word. Spatial awareness. Yeah. yeah you have spatial awareness i i have i have never kept my eyes open while kissing i will say i one time i was making out and i i i did open my eyes or i think we like and hers were yeah and i hate it i was like what the fuck i was like why it's scary for the other person if they open for a second and you're just like right here both eyes so it's that's why you've got to

you got to say it from the beginning so they keep their eyes closed and then you're saying it you're good at i will say you're good at pointing out some like some things about yourself ahead of time so that nobody's surprised it's it's a very admirable trait i think that you both need to practice like in a mirror not opening your eyes like just make out with a mirror and like don't look at yourself just because wait first off that's the most like selfish thing ever you're making out with yourself in a mirror just because we didn't grow up making out with our pillow and practicing doesn't mean that we're any less than you steal that feels like a steel move yeah steals absolutely make it out pillows look guys the relationship i had with my body pillow in my teens is none of your

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other Thursday. Get it wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, even there. But back to Sierra. And we'll move on from that. But as you said, we're going to see it kind of progress. throughout this season now did you go into this summer like all right i'm going to try to make something happen in the house we do see that a lot where guys come in and they pretty much make it their goal like who am i hooking up with or were you just coming into the house and like you know what i'm going to see what the vibe is i'm just going to do me well i'll always like i mean i'm always like in for a hookup like i think yeah i mean hot chicks you're sharing a house like that's kind of what the like most of the drop your drive socially comes from is like yeah mix being around um but

certainly i did not go into it and plan on like like cuddling up this quick um but like and i'm not like putting it on her but the kitchen thing was like i obviously read into it because i had nothing else to read into it's the first hour of me being in this house and we did honestly like the gesture meant a lot but we did talk for you know an hour and a half um so i like got to know her super well like right out of the gate um and it just kind of like what felt natural from there you know um so i you know and i'm obviously not going to like you it does move slow it It's just like, when you're in that house, it feels like things can, like, go fast, but it actually, it was fine. Yeah, I feel you guys are doing a good job at, like, and not moving too fast because we've seen that before.

And, like, Steele and I, like we said, you see dudes come into the house, people try to hook up within the first, second, third episode, third weekend, whatever. And then all of a sudden, they're moving fast. And then by the end of the summer, it just completely falls apart. So it ends up ruining the vibe of the entire house. But you guys are doing such a great job at keeping everybody else at bay. everybody else is happy because they both support and love you and you're having a great time and that's a really good balance i do have to ask how fucking hot was it in that restaurant in new york when you went on that first day yeah okay well first starters i'm a percentage between like like nervous

sweat and real sweat okay here's the thing um i'm a sweaty guy all the time so if it's not like I need a room to be freezing cold. I need a fan, whatever. So if it's not like a chilly temperature, I'm going to be damp. Are you sweating right now? Yeah, especially when I talked to you, I just like, get going. But the second, dude, the second I dab the bar napkin on my head, I was like, well, I'm going to look like a nervous fucking nightmare right now.

With your nipples out. Yeah. It was crazy. The second I did it, I was. it oh my god i look horrified to be on the state um but whatever i honestly the the reaction to it like some people thought it was cute that i was yeah it was it was it was it played really well okay that's good but um if if if if us three if one of us ever going to date i will be there's a good chance i'll be dabbing my head off so like three of us on a little

three-way date yeah whatever you guys want to you we'll go get a cheese steak I'm down in a yingling I'll be a meat sweats that yeah I can drink I I don't drink anymore I didn't mind jingling it's never like it was never my go to uh it's fine but I don't love it's a really bad hangover do people and is that just like a like a old tail like do people not chuggingling in Philly they don't shug it no honestly like I've I've tried to shotgun yingling before like a yingling light or a can like an out of birds game like at a tailgate it is awful it's so tough it's like it's like eating an entire roll of bread in like 30 seconds they're doing like a salty challenge it's really tough to do it's very yeah and what's a

good philly like what's a good philly beverage with your cheese steak uh right now the best philly beverage that ever the state side is the big one yeah which actually my my brother-in-law's like good friends started this company and they're massive now it's state side vodka they got surfside those it's like a seltzer drink okay they're starting to get more sort of directly competes lover boy yeah actually oh no one drink it's horrible yeah it's kind of the counterpart and also we went to high school with like the worst human being i've ever met in my life genuinely and he drank exclusively yingling he would bring his own case to every party it was the duchiest he was probably drinking in like seventh grade yeah and he would drink an entire 24 rack of

this stuff he would say the most outlandish terrible things and i hate him to this day so then he would smoke a backwood cigar yeah yeah he was gross at like 17 years old yeah just a bad yeah his name was pick this is what we call to me he was shooting about you can't yeah fuck like that why not i hate he deserves it he's terrible he still is by the way plannerie p i c c c p i c i don't like that yeah no you shouldn't you shouldn't because he stinks and my one friend still communicates with him and he's just as bad now as he was in high school so yeah i have no issue calling him out and he doesn't listen so we're using our platform for evil yeah yeah it's fine but uh getting back to

a little bit of reality tv what was it like and what's it like now i mean i'm sure you get recognized when you go out sometimes things like that what's it like being especially because you have such a a good reputation immediately so like what's it been like to be kind of the new kid on the block with some recognition um it's like weird because i didn't I don't feel like, it's not like I won the Super Bowl, like, did something. Like, it's not like I earned anything. So that part's weird, almost, like, a little imposter syndrome. But at the same time, like, I literally was just being myself.

And if people, like, appreciate that, like, I should be nothing but, like, accepting and, like, happy that this is a thing, too. It's been cool. I have also, though, like, with the career path I've been on. Um, I've been like in relatively like cool, cooler, like cool situations, I guess, so to speak, or like with, you know, rappers, athletes, whatever, all that kind of stuff. So it's felt like probably a gradual, like, build up more so than maybe if I was, you know, working at like a bank or in finance, you know. You've been around that world a little bit.

Yeah, I've just, yeah. yeah so in a way i feel like it was kind of it's just a another like step up but um no it's cool it's like it's the biggest thing for me is learning how many people love bravo like i had no clue that the world is i kind of learned when when they found out jesse and i were gonna be on the show and like that came out i was like oh people are like people pay attention they're in the weeds but then now i just seem like so surprised how many people like how big this world is um so that's been but it's been good for me thus far so like i'll probably hate how big it is at you know at some point but there'll be times i think but that that's what when we started this

uh you know we were first nervous about our reception because we're two straight dudes in a space that's predominantly female and gay, which is, you know, it was a little nerve-wracking just to see how people were going to respond to us doing this podcast. And the reception was amazing and they were like super accepting. We had a lot of content creators in this space like really help us along early on, which was awesome. But we quickly found out and like I'm sure you're finding out it's a massive, massive cult following on that is like this Bravo verse, which is really cool in a lot of ways. So like I can't have. imagine being on the show and like i've actually i talked we both talked to joe bradley about this a

little bit like because he's newer to the bravo universe and just the the attention and everything must be so weird like just to step out in the streets of new york and people be like yo west what's up or yeah it's like it's still is like it's not and it like i have been recognized a few times but it's still early like i'm not like getting mobbed when i walk into like a bar outside or so it's very like yeah it's it's chill but um yeah it's it's just weird because like it's it's from it's like from memories i have you know what i'm saying like it's it's not a challenge or whatever it was just existing and now people like care um i will say like my relationship with sierra i'm sure people care a lot more right now because they want to see like that story

line um right so it's like if i'm out at a bar you know like with my boys i feel like people are kind of like over analyzing like every step i take you know um have a drink too close to another girl are they're going to assume that you're going home with her yep so that's like been interesting but i was just in cabo this past weekend and like i don't know like there were like four bridesmaids parties and like one of the chicks recognized me and then the other bridesmaid party kind of new um and that like it feels it like it's all good right now so it feels good but we'll see it no back to you talking about being like like too niche or like a niche podcast in a sense of like who you guys are have you guys found like a target audience or is it

just anyone everyone like are you looking for i mean you said at first like straight dude straight guys who are like watching bravo shows or is it more just, you know, your angle is unique. So whoever consumes Bravo, like, would find your fake interesting. Yeah, it definitely started off as us being like, you know, we're going to be the straight guy coordinates or whatever you want to look at it. Like just, you know, watching all the Bravo shows. And we kind of went with the route of, you know,

we can convince your boyfriend, your husband, whoever that doesn't watch Bravo that sits in the corner with his arms folded, yelling at the TV because somebody on, you know, Real Housewives of New Jersey is yelling too loud while he's watching best. basketball on his phone you know get in there and watch it with your girlfriend you can listen to the podcast we kind of break it down from a sports like we started off talking about contracts and off seasons like trying to make it as sports oriented as possible to the point where we even it is it's it's very it's very similar to the sports season as it is but we used to start our episodes and we would go on a rant about you know like the eagles losing to the chiefs in the super bowl like we we would start it off very sad and then we would just break it down and then yeah you can't you

You're not allowed to learn that, but we would start it off like that and then it kind of evolved. And yeah, I mean, we're always trying to convince boyfriends and husbands to get in on it and then listen to us. But the demographic is the demographic. I mean, a lot of people appreciate our point of view because of the way that maybe we break it down. We recap the episodes a little differently than existing podcasts, too. So we did kind of find our niche, but I feel like it's more through how we, you know, take in the content and how we kind of regurgitate it back out in our own way. so yeah it's kind of cool the way that it's evolved no i think it's dope i'm like obviously starting to get asked about other bravo shows now um so like from my very bravo virgin

lens like i get why summerhouse would be relatable it's like youngerish people like share house whatever i'm curious like how would you guys pitch you can choose a random one but like what's a housewife show that like you guys think is like gold TV and what is the draw for like two straight filly bros that's a really good question uh so this recent year of housewife show has been very up and down we had salt lake was an incredible season and they were coming

off a shitty season last year so it was like this big redemption series with uh with monica garcia who was like a fan of the show started a burner account like five years ago oh spoiler one of the hell it's why actually i've i have caught wind of i think i know what this is yeah yeah so there was some room for seats that thing yeah exactly yeah that we were actually on watch what happens live with heather the last night of the reunion um which was really cool yeah it was that was an awesome moment but i would say if i was going to try to get one of my boys into a housewife show right now i would go for miami and i would say that you know a lot of one larsa pippins in it and she's i just said jordan so that's a big

pull right there because you got more pip and jordan nonsense that we haven't seen in a very long time and then michael and scott you're not like they're never like on camera right that would be no no god i wish that would be incredible but no marcus and larsa are and they are oof larza is tough to watch because she's evil and then they're they had a podcast called separation anxiety and you had to watch some of the scenes of them talking to each other that was uncomfortable as well but i would say Miami because one it's a good show like all the housewives show up to work every day and they put in the effort like you're getting some of the shows aren't doing that right now so you're going to get the effort you got the sports crossover with larsa and marcus then you get

you know people buying yachts you get these massive houses on the water like it's captivating tv because you're like oh shit this is like the elite version of miami which is who doesn't like going to South Beach at least at least back in the day and partying a little bit you get to see the elite side of things and you know Martina Navratilova she's in it with her wife Julia so like that's another sports crossover right there so that would be myself from Miami you know it's really interesting that you said about like I'm a I'm a geography dude like I love just maps and like the aesthetics of different cities or whatever I love the born movies because they're always like bouncing to like random city in Europe you know yeah I wonder if I could hook myself

self with like the geo angle because like I'm sure aesthetically each housewife city like represents the city well yeah yeah but that's cool I like that yeah they I mean they definitely do because you do have like the Spanish influence in Miami you get you know the rich you somewhat you know film adjacent people out in Beverly Hills Salt Lake City you have the Mormonism of it all and they're wearing huge jackets all the time are some are some of the housewives Mormon? It's so interesting, dude. It's the one. So there's a bunch of Mormon ones. And then there's one who is the leader of her own church, which is straight up a cult. And she's married to her grandfather in law. Step grandfather. She's married to her step grandfather to keep the continuity of the church line going. That's one of the housewives in Salt Lake. There's a lot of Mormonism. They talk about Mormonism, which Mormonism to me is like the most interesting religion in the world. watch documentaries for hours on that shit so a lot of them are scary but terrified yeah especially when you talk about like fundamentalist Mormons like the old old school ones so that's also i would say

if you're going to dive into one i would go with salt lake or miami right now don't watch season three of salt lake it stinks but this most recent season if you watch that you'll probably be hooked on it because it was just i mean it's great tv like it was a really good tv so you can also you can also just take the route that we took i mean the root that i took was starting off with summer house because who doesn't enjoy that yeah and then of course i went from that to southern charm because those are you know you met craig over the summer so you know you know that's where he comes from and then obviously there's a lot more going on there and i feel like that kind of speaks to us more as straight guys you know you watch them straight guys like go through relationships cheat on people

just get fucking destroyed by other people in the reunions like things like that are kind of funny and then you kind of build into the Housewives as you go in there. So it's sort of like a stepping letter. Were you as Vanderpump got? Oh, you steal. Yeah. So you need a lead off show that's not a Housewife show. You can't start with Housewives because it's overwhelming.

You don't understand like the Bravo setup, I guess. If you watch a Vanderpump or a Summer House or a Southern Charm, there's enough other stuff going on to get you sucked into it. And that's what happened? So I got done Vanderpump and I asked my wife, I was like, well, what's next? Like, I need more of this shit. So we went from that to a real housewives of New York. You're like a junkie. Oh, yeah.

Well, now it's our job. Yeah, now we have to watch everything for better or worse because there. And like our listeners will get excited when we hate something. And then like, because we'll stop watching shit like halfway through the season. If it's not, if people aren't listening watching, then we'll be like, all right, we're, we're going to move on to something else because we have too much to cover. We hate Orange County. and our listeners know that and a lot of them like Orange County

so like halfway through the season we're like do we have to keep watching this and we got a resounding oh yeah absolutely so they were hate we were hate watching and they were our fans they were some of our highest listened episodes were Orange County because you guys were just shitting on it the whole time yeah yeah we couldn't stand what was going

yeah we should like give real opinions that's what that's all it matters yeah we gave our real opinion but they they liked that we were miserable through it up But that's the other thing, like we show up for what they want us to listen or watch. We will watch what they want us to watch and talk about it. So they wanted O.C. We gave them O.C.

We hated it. But we gave it to them. But yeah, if you start off with it, if you haven't watched Southern Charm since you're on Summerhouse, maybe start with like Southern Charm or Vanderpump, like early on. Early on VPR is gold. It is nobody can watch season one and two of VPR and be like, this isn't good TV. It's just entertaining as shit because the stuff that they're saying to each other, you're like that's how I got sucked in I was like on my phone and my wife was watching like episode three or something and jacks and stasi were going back and forth and one of them said something the other one I was like oh my god like you can't talk to people like that like what the fuck and I looked up and then it was just game over after that wow yeah that's pretty beautiful it is right and then my wife and I get to share this together and like it's a special thing and and at the same time when we're watching sports they can care about the sports and it's a good balance back and forth What do you do in October when it's like mid-season NFL, playoff baseball?

How do you? We watch football. Yeah. We go to the games. Like, we go to Philly's games because we're always in the playoffs and then we, I don't want to talk about it. Dude, Philly's, Philly's Astros was my favorite sporting event I've ever been doing. It was incredible. Wait, was it in Houston or in Philly?

I went to all, did you, did, they went in six? Yeah, Houston won in six. I think I went in one through five. Okay. Oh, you saw, you did get to see the first game, the first home game in Philly where we hit, what, six home runs? I was in Miles Teller's box for that. I was, I was five rows away from you. Yeah, right behind you.

It was. We could have met. It could have been, you know, missed opportunity. If you had a mustache, maybe steals. That's it. If I had a mustache, you would have found me. Uh-huh. I think I was wearing my own rolls.

Do you wear baby blue or you wear red? Uh, we got lucky. Well, the first thing I wear, like my ghost. two outfit. My dad actually played for the Phillies back in the 80s. Then I have his pullover from batting practice that I still wear. It even has a cigarette burn in it because they used to smoke cigs in the clubhouse. It's pretty sick. You can't not wear anything but that. Until that FOCO company, did you see all the overalls people were wearing? Yeah. So the owner of that company was a listener of our show. And she reached out and sent us a box of

shit. So now I've got like three different pairs of Phillies overall. So I usually wear those. with no shirt. That's my go to recently. But you can't do that in like July. He does it in July and he does it in October when it's about 40 degrees. I got really sick in October because I did it. It's been like a regular Tuesday night baseball game. But I mean, that's more power to you. We show up for our teams in Philly.

No, I know you do. I know you do. 81 times here, baby. But to bring it back to Bravo because we're running out of time, I do want to ask you. And I know that you, were friends with Lindsay and Carl coming into the house, or you were friends with Lindsay. We're watching this season play out. And I myself am five years sober from alcohol. So watching

this is, uh, I really, I don't enjoy those scenes at all. And I made a TikTok about it yesterday actually, but from your perspective coming into this house, watching this whole thing kind of transpiring, I'm sure there's some stuff you can't say as we're watching the season play out. But being in the house as this was going on, like what, what was the atmosphere like with those two specifically because we're seeing two very different vibes like when you guys are there and they're not a part of it it's just it's light it's fun it's easy and then they seem to bring in this this energy where everything kind of shifts so what was that like this summer um i well honestly for starters i'm just as excited i'm excited is not the right

word but like i guess anxious to watch the season play out because a lot of their shit was when we were in different cars or still out and they were home. So I've, I mostly, like, talked with Carl throughout the summer just because there were moments with, like, the guys. I wasn't really, you know, in girl gossip groups with, like, Lindsay and everyone. So I heard Carl's side of the story, but I didn't see a lot of it in real time. So, like, what happens this season? like I'll see at the same time as you guys but my take like I just think not to say it couldn't work but like I do think a sober person and then someone who drinks objectively if there's a fight or whatever by nature the drunker person probably says things they don't mean as much

things they don't remember just kind of it's a lot of a looser conversation and that if i'm ever sober in an argument i internalize things more i remember every single word you said um and then when you wake up i would imagine the sober person still remembers everything perfectly it still hurts just as much as it did last night when as you're the person who is drunk fighting and you wake up hungover you don't really care you want to move on from it whatever and And so I just think from a conflict resolution standpoint, I think that part I always wondered, or just how do you come to a middle ground when like one person is clearly going to internalize everything and the other person is going to be like so removed from what happened.

But yeah, that being said, I mean, I disagree clearly with like what Lindsay said, obviously and it it is also and i think anyone who maybe knows someone who's sober um for me it was knowing carl and like watching him take steps to like you know obviously he's sober so he's avoiding drinking um and he's very good at reflecting on it as well and so i think to hear something he's proud of and like something that clearly would be so hard to accomplish be um attacked is objectively sad um and so hearing him say it i obviously was like i you know that's kind of a shitty thing to have unfold but watching it back um was a lot darker than i thought it would be for sure the new bemo v i porter mastercard is your ticket to more more perks more points more flights

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It's not an easy thing. So, like, for me, it drove me nuts. And then I was also getting kind of pissed because I'm like, why is no one else talking about it? Like, why has nobody else addressed this and said to him? Lindsay, like, yo, what the fuck are you doing? Like, that's pretty, pretty off color for you to say anything in regards to a sobriety. It makes more sense because I didn't even register the fact that, yeah, obviously you guys

aren't seeing this shit unfold because we're watching those two alone at home. Right. And you guys are getting the he said, she said of it. And it's two very different stories, right? Like we're getting, Lindsay's talking about how he's being aggressive and attacking and blah, blah, blah. And then you watch the actual scene. You're like, no, bro, it was the other way around. Yeah.

So that actually makes me feel better because I was getting frustrated at the rest of the cast because I was confused. I'm like, why is everyone just allowing this to continue? No one's stepping up or saying anything. That makes me feel better. Jesse, though, I was proud of Jesse. I wasn't in that car, but I mean, Jesse was the first. person to like really you know call it for what it was and um i think that was a good moment for him um massive for him yeah that showed you who he really was because like we both said we're like

there's no way this dude because he seemed like too nice of a guy because we see douchebags on these shows all the time we can peg him pretty quick and when he came in i was like i i think he had a plan when he came into the house and like he went to his first confessional was like i'm the guy that hooks up with the with the girls in relationships yeah but i i think i think the huge difference there was i mean first he had to follow up your fun fact of visiting every 50 50 states with what was going on with him which that's a tough thing to follow up of course but i think that was that was our first indicator like all right you know jesse is different than what he is he's different than what he's portraying himself and that's why steel it opened up steel in my eyes looking forward to that but

we don't you know we don't get to see a lot of the times that you guys are out because a lot of those bars in the Hamptons. They don't want the cameras in there. They don't want the audio stuff going through. So we don't really get to see how you guys are handling it. And I feel like at least in the last couple of seasons, when something's going on, whether it's Kyle and Amanda or Lindsey and Carl in the last two years, everybody in the house seems affected. And it kind of brings everybody down. But for some reason this year, and I want to say that it's probably just like you and Jesse getting in there as well as maybe the rest of the crew has just kind of gotten to the point where, you know, Lindsay and Carl are going to do what they're going to do. What's the vibe of

the crew while you guys are still out like you know that they left you obviously heard about it you know the weekend before you know they left again you're like are you wondering what's going on are you just like you know what they're going to figure it out they're going to do what they're going to do let's just keep moving forward well i think maybe it's because i was like new into all these relationships and the history is all like so short lived in my eyes that like it's not i don't even have that strong of opinions because it's all just like it's it all it has existed for like a week or to um but and this is another thing jesse said too where he was like he asked carl you know is this how lindsay's always been carl goes yeah jesse's like that's kind of what you signed up for

um i'm not going to speak for everyone in the house but i mean they have been there have been massive fights the two weekends they've been here like it it would be exhausting i think if i wanted to let that bring me down every single weekend, you know? And so who's to say this isn't going to happen the next six weekends in a row? So I think I'm also not like confrontational person by nature kind of. So like I, we can all agree objectively what she said to Carl was wrong. Again, we didn't like see it in real time. So it was just kind of this like myth. But like for me at least, I think avoidance is like the only way to really stay sane and not let stuff like that just absolutely like shit on your

parade every single weekend. I think that that's what you guys have done well, which is making this season much more enjoyable, is that, you know, because obviously Kyle and Amanda get into it, and we've seen them get into in the past. They're better at moving forward than we're seeing with Lindsay and Carl, obviously, and they have more practice with it. But I will say, like, I feel like this is a better season because of the fact that, and Shooter alluded to it earlier, you're not getting dragged down by those two, Lindsay and Carl,

going at their shit. like you guys are still going about your business having a fun summer we're just getting this weird juxtaposition where on one end like everyone's parting we finally have a summer house where summer's fun again and we've been wanting that for a couple years now and on the other side it's like watching this tragic tragic relationship play out in real time and it's it's tough to watch and it's like it's great tv i'll say that like it was a great fucking season and we're enjoying it definitely but i appreciate the fact that you guys are able to do your thing while they're trying to figure out their shit on the side because if you weren't and that's what we saw last

year it's not nearly as fun well yeah so i think because jesse and i kind of again we're new so we can kind of like just naturally steer clear of stuff like this because and again i give everyone credit for like people's drama in this house they don't make you don't have to be a part of it like Jesse and I kind of, you know, had our own fun. And so I think from like a viewing experience I've heard, it felt like this. But then even for people like Gabby, Danielle, Kyle at sometimes, if Jesse and I are going to go have fun, stay out, do whatever, it did give people in the house an option to like stick with us. Like stay out longer. You don't have to go home and be a part of this chaos or come out to the pool where Jesse and are like making TikTok.

It's just like dumb little shit like that. I think looking back at it, like we might have given everyone that like... An outlet. Yeah, just an outlet to like not be consumed by whatever the like dark shit was inside. Well, thank God for you guys because you guys probably saved the season, honestly. We would have had the same thing we had last year. I hope. I won't ever claim it, but like if that's what we...

No, we'll claim it. We'll claim it for you. We'll claim it for you. Yeah, we got you. We got you. We'll wrap it up here. but I do have one more question, that's, or a couple more, but are you excited for next season? Like, are you assuming you get the call to come back next season?

Like, are you pumped to be a part of the summer house, hopefully for an extended period of time? Yeah. Well, it's so, like, I won't know, like, it's hard to know how this all shakes out. So, like, I might be back, might not. Hypothetically, if I do, I think being able to, have been myself all last summer and one at like landing well with everyone in the house but two if it lands well to the bravo audience i don't know what like what what is there to like run from in that situation because yeah obviously there will be drama whatever now that i've known

everyone for so much longer it's a lot more you feel a lot more comfortable to like insert yourself and like give opinions because you actually have relationships that have taken time with these people but um i it's i had fun i hope like that's what everyone's saying like we're making fun like jesse and i could go to that house by ourselves and like we'd have a fun you know yeah definitely days um so yeah i mean i'm sure things might get a little like stickier for me just because i like have known everyone longer and like we'll need to contribute my two cents to other people's problems and share my own problems more but i'm like i want to have to have fun at the end of the day um and that's like why i did it i wanted to make friends i feel

like these are my friends now i hope you and say the same thing so um yeah i'd be out on long island in the sharehouse anyways you know what i mean so i'll stick around the last question i have yeah is what's what's the uh for those you that don't know because we talked about it before we started recording um west is a bandwagon kansas city chiefs fan of So we, he jumped on the Patrick Mahomes train real quick. You're sick. So we need to have a bet. Okay.

Because if the, I don't know, if the schedule come out yet, are we playing the Chiefs here? We're not playing the Chiefs. We don't play, we don't play the AFC West. Okay. So we need to, Super Bowl. Let's assume we make it to the Super Bowl against you. And we can revisit this as the season's playing out because the Eagles just made all these, like, amazing moves. So we're definitely going back to the Super Bowl this year.

Or we'll miss them. Seriani guys he's a fucking dork to me i don't know if you guys love him but i don't i wouldn't put my marbles no he's a dork he's a huge when he did that shit after the when we beat the chiefs i was there were you there were you on the field or were you in the stands no i was that i do one boy trip where we all fly home do a game whatever uh that was our game of choice oh was that like pouring rain the entire time too it was misty and like if i have a couple beers and it's like misting i'm fine yeah it's not you know the beers aren't freezing like they were in that Dolphins play it mattered in vs though apparently yes a little little too slick for

nvs he got he got lacked they caught him yeah smell yeah he went out he went out of tony yeah yeah he scored a touchdown in the super bowl he's fine yeah after dropping 16 balls all season whatever doesn't matter now the point was after you look out of the tunnel and said like you like that chiefs fans or whatever he said that's when i was like all right that we don't need a head coach doing that like i like i like i don't need a head coach doing that like i like the fact that he's a players coach i appreciate that but i don't need him reacting like a player i need him reacting like a coach that bug me now onto the bet let's assume we make it to the super bowl okay what's the terms we need to come up with some solid terms here on a bet um well

Vegas would give me great odds because like no teams ever won three in a row boys that's a good good point you we are i will say and i hate to give the chiefs props you have pat Patrick Mahomes, who is Patrick Mahomes. So, and you might actually have some receivers this year, so that will help as well. So we might have to ponder on this way. Why don't we just do some record? When we do, when we do a head-to-head record, see if the other team is at the end of the year. Do you know what divisions you have?

Yeah, we're playing, I think, the AFC North and, I think the AFC South, probably. AFC North and AFC South, I think I think cheese might be AFC South? I know I think we're playing we're playing in L.A. again.

I think that's one of the away games. But yeah, I think that's kind of in that mix. I know we play the Bengals and the Steelers again this year, but then we can just do, okay, we'll just do best record. And then we'll throw some cheese steaks or something in there. We'll figure it out.

Yeah, I can sing to, like maybe i'll do like a kc like barbecue care package they can they can freeze it and like overnight it okay and then we'll do that with uh like uh jerseys i guess is the easy we'll have to wear jerseys on a podcast yeah we'll have to wear it oh i fucking got it yours you have to wear an eagle's jersey on an episode of summer house oh wow they'll blur it though i because you can't show can't do that now damn i haven't i have an old alec singleton jersey though because i went to you have an alec singleton jersey that's my boy oh right duh i'm an idiot i love dallas singleton why don't we just we just do this every year we'll have you back we'll have you back on at the end

of the season whoever loses the bet has to wear the other team's jersey okay yeah and we'll figure out the stakes yeah we'll figure out they have to do it yeah that's cool yeah all right cool i'm down yeah but thank you so much for coming on we were excited to have you because like i said it was like having one of the boys on so this was this was awesome we appreciate it hell yeah we'll stay in touch for yeah yeah absolutely all right man well do you have anything to plug anything coming up anything you want to talk about you not really i don't know if you guys are complex sports guys which tap yeah i am i follow them on twitter um i'm going i'm doing mcdonald's all american game not that stoked about it but um yeah we'll get some baseball stuff going soon

hell yeah eight days happy opening day soon it's eight days south korea opening day oh that's right oh tani broke the roof this morning at 630 and no one watched it because it was on at 630 a hundred 19 miles an hour off the bat up the roof yep they'll still lose in the in the c s yeah yeah they'll yeah they'll lose in the ds to somebody they'll lose to like the cubs or some shit this year it's gonna be great as long as we don't have the

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