Bros & Shows - What are YOU on, Lindsay? (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

What's up Bros? We watched Summer House and we are all caught up. If you want to hear our recap of episode 1, go give our episode with Ryan Bailey a listen on his podcast! But this is episode 2 and it looks like the cast came to play this season. Tensions are high between Amanda and Kyle as they're looking to take the next steps in their marriage (kids, suburbs etc.) but poor communication is leading to arguments amongst them. It boils over this episode and are we going to see these two at odds this season? Jesse Soloman shares a very personal fact about himself being a 2x cancer survivor (way to go Jesse). He also shares that he is a killer and he gets with girls... and it appears Paige is on his radar. West continues to impress as he and Ciara are still vibing. Lindsay and Carl are back in the house this week and it takes less than one day for shit to hit the fan. Lindsay goes in on Carl and says one of the most damning and hurtful things that you can say to someone that is sober. It appears that we are going to watch this relationship fall apart throughout this season. But overall, Summer House is off to a hot start. Time Stamps: Intro (0-8:10) Summer House (8:11) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros.

For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only Goots Magoo. What's up, dude? Well, one, I guess you know, it's live show week. It is live show week. That's a really good thing. But there are forces

in nature that are trying to make us sad. Is it nature or is it, you know, in the city? Nature versus nurture. No, that's a different conversation. We can save that one for a later date. I have one thing that's making me sad. Are we doing that today?

Should we talk about sad stock? Talk about stuff that's making it sad. Jason Kelsey retired. I am not over it yet. That was, yeah, that was 50%. The other 50% is the Phillies took away Dollar Dog Night. Yeah. All in the same week.

I'm not sad about that one. I'm mad about that one. I'm very sad, accepting, but sad of Jason Kelsey. Yeah. The fact that his statue is not already built and on top of the Art Museum steps is upsetting. They should have had that ready to go just in case you decided to retire. but this is our homage to Jason. Thank you.

We love you so much. You don't retire. You already retire. Come back. No, no. If he's done, he's done. You know. But yeah, so forces our work to try to make a sad during live show week.

Our live show is tomorrow, if you're listening to this right now. Oh, that's right. Jesus Christ, that came up quickly. This one got here in a hurry. It did, but it didn't. But it did. Yeah. No, it did. I couldn't decide, honestly. I just went back and forth in my own mind.

Yeah, so look, what we're going to do today, because this is going to be a pretty chaotic week for us, we are going to go over Summer House. Yep. Episode two. We actually already did episode one's breakdown with Ryan Bailey. If you didn't listen to that, go listen to Ryan's show. That was a lot of fun with us two weeks ago. Yeah, I think so. Time doesn't matter anymore. And so we're going to go through Summerhouse today, and we're going to make sure that we get everybody caught up with our feelings. And I know Steele's got some concerns. Oh, I have a lot of feelings. I was appalled. Were you a hot little potato? I was... Hot big potato? I was a burnt potato. I was so hot. I... We'll get to it. I don't want to do it right now. Let me just say that kind of behavior from any human being in regards to somebody that is in active sobriety is fucking ridiculous. And it really, truly upset me. Not just from...

You can grind your gear. It didn't grind my gear. It was just flat out, like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. This is really, really, really, really, really, appalling. I was, I was taken aback. I even knew it was going to happen because I've seen clips on Instagram. And watching it actually happened was way different. And it did.

It hit me right in the stomach. I hated it. Yeah. It was tough to watch. And obviously, we'll break that down as best we can without trying to get too emotional. But I have a funny thing we could do before we get there. It kind of bring up the vibes a little. I feel like we're bumming pretty hard right now, but first and foremost, to reiterate, tomorrow is our live show.

I would imagine there's still a few tickets left, but if you go on City Winery's Instagram, we got a low ticket alert next to ours, and that's not a lie. So if you want to come to the show, this is your last chance to get tickets. There's only a few left. I think there's one table still of four. Yeah, and it's kind of scattered with ones and twos pretty much for the rest. There's really not a lot left. Yeah, so jump on those tickets. come out and hang out with the bros it's going to be a blast and then we have another show that

we need your support at i've looked at the venue today it's like a real theater it's like a legit venue not that city wineries not but this is more of like an actual stage actual seats is this where um who was i guess robin and joselle did their tour is this where they did it and they no no no i don't i don't think so because that if we get reasonably shaded at reasonably shady's I'll be really bummed out. But the point there being... I will personally pay people to go so that we don't have that vision. I will too.

Because here's the thing. It's a big room. I think it's like 200 seats, maybe a little bit more. Please, please, please get tickets to D.C. That is on May 3rd. It is a Friday night. So come out and support the bros. We need you to show up in droves.

I want to fill that room. That would be the coolest thing ever if we have a packed house. So if you're on the fence, you're teetering. You're not sure. Just do it. Just do it, man. Do it, man. Nike that, John. Just do it and get your tickets to D.C. at the union stage that is May 3rd. And the last one, this is a big, big notice. Yeah, I honestly wanted to shuffle it a little bit to say, hey, by the way, you might want to go look at the Boston tickets right now because let's be honest, we're almost sold out. We are almost sold out of Boston already. And that is not until June. So if you're like biding your time for that one, go get your tickets like immediately because we were taken aback. We got our ticket count today. And we were both. It was like, whoa.

It was the first update that we even got about the Boston thing. Like, we had announced that, what, two weeks ago, maybe three at this point. And we didn't really look at it because we have the Philly one coming up. We've got D.C. coming up. And we looked at the ticket count today. We were like, oh, shit. Yeah. So if you're in Boston, you're planning on going, do it now.

Do it now. Do it now. Right now, while you're listening to this, you can multitask, I believe in you. Anywho, I do have something funny to read. And this, it's kind of funny. It's also an answer that we needed. and somebody was nice enough to reach out in our DMs. They requested that they rename, rename, rename, mainless.

We rename them? Rename them. Yeah, sure. We can rename them. And this is from, I am not clever enough in the moment. But anyway. Jim Bob Cooter. And that is a football coach, if you don't know.

The offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. Yep. So, anywho, this comes to us on Instagram, and like I said, they prefer to be nameless, but This is a response when I asked what the beef is between CRNAs and anesthesiologists. We got an answer. Is it long-winded? It's a little long-winded, but I'll try to sum it up. But anyway, it says, the fight between CRNAs and anesthesiologist is real.

It all goes back to scope of practice. Anesthesiologists want limited scope from CRNAs and site quality concerns. Healthcare, professional shortages are very real. and CRNA provides a more affordable option at a comparable quality. It's similar to the idea of allowing a pharmacist to diagnose common ailments. So that's like to sum it up right there. Okay. All right.

So apparently this feud is a real thing. And I guess it comes from just cost effectiveness. It's cheaper to get a nurse anesthetist to do the same job as an anesthesiologist. However, it does say at the end of this message, they are not doctors. That is the root. Of all of this, that is what I got so open arms about, the fight was never, and we're not getting into it, but the fight was never about anyone disparaging Anna Marie's job.

It was simply saying, you are not a doctor. But I guess that the feud is actually real. Okay. So the takeaway is that the feud is definitely real. And nurse anesthetists are not doctors. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I'm not going to lie.

If you asked me to repeat the first two sentences, I would have nothing for you. You don't have to. I zoned out immediately. I don't know what happens. You started reading it and I was like, I don't, you know, I don't think I care about it anymore. I don't either.

I don't either. And also the subject, the content is so goddamn boring. Yes. So, yeah, no. I mean, we're in reality TV, so we try to keep it exciting. But you got an answer, anybody out there, there is an actual feud going on. I was curious about it, but that's not what we're here to talk about today.

We are here to talk Summer House. We are two episodes in, and let me tell you, Summer House came to play this season, And I am excited because last year was not awesome. I think that they have done a much better job in these first two episodes. I think that West is a fantastic addition. I have concerns about Jesse, but I do think that he brings a fun dynamic to the house. I'm liking this cast so far except for two people, which is interesting because it's the same two people had a problem with last year.

And one of them, I think, would be a lot of fun without the other one. Yep, I would agree. I mean, there's just no other way to get around it. And we, you know, I had my concerns, of course, going into the season once again, because after last year we saw not only just the Lindsay and Carl of it all, but they weren't having fun. No. And we talked about this so many different times to the point where Carl actually stood up and defended

the show and came on and talked to us. It was just so boring. They went to bed at 9.30. And there was a point in this episode where before Danielle brought out the fog machine, I thought the party was over. I just saw people kind of milling around. You know, they were eating things. Sierra was trying to find the microwave, and it was 930,

and I'm like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. We're doing this again? Nope, they brought it back. It is the 4th of July. It is the Saturday of the 4th of July weekend, and you guys are going to bed at 930 again. I can't do it. They didn't.

I know they didn't. So relax. Look, I'm nervous. This is like PTSD shooter. You're like, you're getting all amped up over it. It's not last year, bud. We're good. Are you sure?

Not yet. You can't guarantee that. Not yet. You're right. You're right. but we have, look, these two episodes, the first one especially, are better than any episode last season. And I will stand by that. Yeah, I think, I mean, I can't disagree because I think I blocked out most of last season in my brain. So that's fine. It's fine. Let's jump into this when we

pick back up where we left off last week, and that is with Amanda and Kyle feuding. And we saw a scene last week where Kyle was confiding in Page about just some issues that him and Amanda have been having. And the root of all of it seems to be communication. And Kyle wants certain things, Amanda wants certain things, but they can't seem to get on the same page about it. But Amanda's like fed up. She's done with it. And she has been pushed to a point. And I'm trying to see both sides of this as well as I possibly can. And I completely understand why Amanda got up in arms about it. He's telling her that she's not ready for a kid, which is a really dumb thing to say to your spouse that wants a child like that's probably not the way to go about it as we know

Kyle's not always the best with words but Amanda just says that he's projecting all of his shit onto me he's saying that because he's so stressed because he's a workaholic and this and that and this and that he expects this out of me and he's saying that we're not ready for a kid I mean I could kind of see that standpoint and this is really the only way that I can see this at least in Kyle's brain him and Amanda spend so much time together with work and home yeah to the point where they don't even know how to separate those boundaries so when it comes down to are we both quote unquote ready to raise a child i think what kyle's doing is he's seeing that their entire lives are just completely merged together at this point between the two facets

of you know a lot of times people have time to go to work and you kind of separate things and it's not always you know business all the time or whatever so i think what he's doing is he is projecting but in his brain he's not actually projecting he's looking at them as one organism at this point where it's just the two of us like we are stressed out with work and at home and we see each other all the time and it's not working whatever's going on and again they're not communicating but i think that what he's saying is if we throw a child into this i can't handle that so i'm imagining you can't handle that because the two of us can't handle this as it is he's speaking i think he's speaking as you as we yeah it's like they merged into one soul which is

fair i mean i could see where you're coming from but regardless how you articulate that is very important. He's not great at articulating. No, he didn't do a great job of it. I get why she's upset. I get why he stressed out. Like, that's what's interesting about this feud between the two of them. There's usually, like, a clear-cut winner. Like, it's usually Kyle being a fucking moron. Yep. In this instance, I think Kyle went about it the wrong way, a very wrong way. By talking to Page? No, not by talking to Page. But when Amanda lays it out later, when they're at lunch, and she's like, you know, I'm constantly hearing where I'm falling short, and you're going to our friends and saying like you're reiterating that to page i think it's a really good

idea for him to confide in page because page is so close to amanda but again how you articulate that across is very important had he said to her something along the lines of like we're struggling right now yeah i'm nervous about a kid and not make it so personal because i think that that's her big issue is she doesn't feel supported by him and she feels like he is projecting all of this like this is your fault that things are kind of haywire right now. I'm working my ass off. I need you to pick up the slack. Meanwhile, Amanda is trying to get through to Kyle in some way, shape, or form so they can

just kind of get on the same page, and they're just budding heads. They're not hearing each other. Yeah, they're not hearing each other at all. And I think that, look, at the end of the day, I think that it really does come down to Kyle in this one. Amanda's going to do what Amanda's going to do. It's her choice at this. Like, if she, that's the other thing about being in a partnership.

Amanda wants this. So Kyle can't just immediately say, no, we're not ready, and then shut it down completely. Like, you have to have the conversation about it, and they're not really having that conversation. He's also, again, projecting everything by saying Amanda's not really ready. Amanda doesn't know what she wants. She's stressed out with this and that and whatever.

It would go a long way, especially in the conversation with Paige, if he were to take ownership and say we or I. Not even just the we, just the I. I'm super stressed out. And I don't think that she's ready for it. He didn't really go about it that way. He went about it telling Paige what Amanda feels. Even then he's saying, I don't do that.

think she is. He should say, I don't know if I am because that's what it, like, what really is happening here is Kyle's not sure if he's ready. I think to an extent he's not sure if we're ready. I agree. The two of them are ready. Agreed, but I think a lot of it has to do with his own thing and then them as a couple right now. Then again, like you get in this weird middle ground when you are working with your partner because Kyle's a workaholic. He grinds his ass off to make lover boy as successful as possible. Amanda works for lover boy. He wants certain things out of it that she's not delivering on. And that, I, how the fuck do you have that conversation?

No idea. Like, you talk to your, you can't talk to your wife like she's an employee. So that's really awkward and uncomfortable. So there's a lot of dynamics here that I'm curious how they're going to play out. I will say it's always nice, though. I think they need to have a therapy session with HR on one side and a therapist on the other. No, that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I just want to see them film that really bad.

But let's keep going, because we're going to get back to them a little bit later. We do get to see more of West and Seattle. i like this couple a lot i'm a big west fan to begin with like west a lot too but i'm tired of every single season we have a is sierra gonna couple up with somebody new in the house like she's done with it i am she's great she's awesome no i agree but when it comes to like making a decision to like okay it's always like he's funny but that's not enough it's like i know i just don't want them to couple up i look i'm maybe i'm selfish maybe i'm selfish but i know that the way that this house operates when people are single they tend to go out and

and they tend to have a lot more fun. When they couple up, they stay inside, they go to bed early, they don't party as much, and I hate it. That's fair, but I don't know. You root for love in, like, all of these shows, especially when you like,

when you like really like one person, I do, yeah. I really like West, and I can tell, you want what's best for him and you think that it's with Sierra. Because he also likes Sierra, which is great, and that's awesome,

on a personal level. From an entertainment standpoint, I don't give a shit. Do you know why I like West, though? Why? Because it's like one of us got on. TV. It's like one of the guys. Like, he's a dude. We are on TV, pal.

Shut the fuck up. I just mean, like, it's that kind of vibe where I'm like, we would hang out with this guy. Yeah. No, I get that. I fully understand where you're coming from. I just know how this show operates. Why do you hate them? I know how this show operates. Do you want to watch? Why do you want them to go to Barry's boot camp at 8 o'clock in the morning? Get some

little coffee date and all this stuff. Like, that's real food. Why are you talking to me? A baby talking to you because that's what you want. You want a baby show. I want a fun show. I want a fun show. A baby show. You want a fun show. You want a fun show you want? Oh, I think it's something else. I said, I want a fuck show. I was like, that's disgusting. That is disgusting. That's like Love Island. We don't go into that. I was very thrown off. Yeah, no, no. That brings us to our other

newbie. What's your thoughts and feelings, your T's and F's on Jesse Solomon? First off, tease and Fs to everybody out there. Yeah, thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and feelings. I really like that. Jesse, I'm hard. It's, it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's hard to get a read on him. When he first, he comes in with douchebag energy. Yeah, big time. Big time. Like, huge douchebag.

The way that he's talking about. God, that one fucking confessional, actually, no. I think he is just a full-old dude. Look, I'm a killer. I get with chicks. Like, oh, God, dude. Fucking, come on, man. And he's hitting on page out of the gate.

I didn't like that. Part of me thinks that it's a bit of a front. I think that that's interesting. I think he's actually kind of a sweet guy deep down, and maybe we'll get to see that. I would like to see that. I want to see it both ends of that because that we could make for a good TV. It can make for a good castmate. And we can see a little bit more of that.

So when he starts off and he's talking about Page and, like, he's not concerned if any of the people in the houses have girlfriends or have boyfriends. He's not concerned if anyone in the world. Yeah. He just doesn't care. He's like, look, I'm not going to steal your girl, but like, I get chicks. It's like, yeah. Like, come on, man. Like, just fucking.

First off, you're not, you know, 24. Like, I could see a 24-year-old coming into this house On this show. He's, like, in his late 30s. What? Yeah. No. You don't think so?

Someone posted something earlier at the age time. He's friends with people. Oh, let's see. All right. So, Steele is right. He's not his late 30s, but he's 30. So that's still the, it's kind of the same thing. I agree.

A 30-year-old guy walks, like, once you hit your late 20s, you can't be. 28, I believe, is the number. I think that's okay. I think 28's the number where it's like, all right, don't say, like, dozy fuck-boy things anymore. Yeah, but you can't be 30 on TV on TV. saying i get chicks i'm not worried about yeah chicks no none of that but i do think that it's a bit of a front that's so funny you said that there is a part of me that had that same inkling and it was when he and i will get to it in a little while but obviously he reveals that he is a two-time

cancer survivor and that seemed like genuine jesse and obviously it's a very serious subject and obviously we're we're thrilled that he beat cancer twice it's amazing good for him regardless of how we feel about him saying that he's a lady killer. That's amazing that he was strong enough to be cancer, not once, but twice. So obviously flowers to him there. My only thing, like you were saying, that's so interesting. Because when I watched that scene when he was talking to them about surviving cancer, I did get a sense that I was like, I think that this is a softer guy than he's trying to portray.

I think that maybe he's getting on TV and he's like, all right, I got to mix it up at the summer house. I've got to be like, that guy, I'm going to go out and get chicks and I'm going to cause a scene and blah, blah, blah. I don't know if that's who he is. Look, I mean, he did say he got a lot of perspective from all of that, and you can go one or two ways from that. You can look inward and say, you know, I'm thankful for the people that are around me and I'm going to be a little softer. Or you could say, fuck it. I don't care about anything. I don't think that's him.

I don't know, dude. We're going to find out. I keep eye waffle on it, you know. You what? Waffle. Waffle. I've never heard that. No?

You flip waffles back and forth. Oh. You go, say pancake. I burger it. I burger it. But we get to the. the after party. And again, West is also, like, he's fitting in with everybody. Everyone's viving with West. Everybody fucks with West. You love to see that. I need to call out one thing

before we get to the following morning. Sierra calls it Abitha. Yep. That was upsetting. Sure does. I didn't, I didn't care. He wasn't even there. That was the best part. I know. I've never been there, but I'm going to call it. I'm going to call it Abitha. And I don't think, I think she was doing it completely unironically. It was unironic and it was upsetting to all of our listeners out there. We're sorry. We're sorry. T's and F's. And it's a Bisa.

It's a Bisa. We're in America. Yeah. This is America. It's a Bisa. If you say Ibita, you better be from there. I've spent at least a few college semesters there. Yes.

That's a good, yeah. If you have not studied abroad. You're still a douchebag, but, you know, at the end of the day. But you're like not as much of one. Yes. Yeah. Anyway, we get to the next morning with Kyle and Amanda, and she, this is where she's, like, hit her end of her rope. She's ready to go home.

And everyone's leaving the house, but she's trying to kind of rush out of there. I was confused. And I got clarified later when she said that my issue was you talking to Paige about me and blah, blah, blah. So I got it after that. In this moment, I was really confused because Kyle was confused. He's like, you know, this is reminiscent of back in the day when I stayed up way too late, got way too drunk, made an ass out of myself. We saw pretty standard Kyle the night before. Like, yeah, he was drunk and yeah, he was doing Kyle things.

but he was out of hand he was looking at the banana yeah he was hanging out with mon he was hanging out with mon and he said to him what he said i really like your vibe yeah i really like your vibe or like you're always like cheerful or something like you're always in a good mood yeah so i was confused because he truss wow trudge he tries to talk to amanda and she's having none of it and i was like damn i was like what did he do last night because i didn't see anything bad he doesn't seem to remember anything bad that he did but we do find out especially when page goes upstairs that's when we the full story it's like she's just done with him saying everything that he doesn't like about her pretty much and i think that we're doing a lot of psycho analysis of kyle today but to me what that is is one projecting as we already talked about but two i think that this is how kyle operates

and you can confirm this because you've watched a lot more somewhere else he's very very pragmatic to a fault he looks at this like a situation like almost like a a business business a situation where it's like, I need to do this, this, this, this, and this to figure this out. And it's not working and it's frustrating him. Meanwhile, Amanda on the other side is like, I need you to stop saying these things because it's hurting my feelings. But Kyle's just trying to name the problem so that they can figure them out. Yeah.

And I think that that lack of communication is coming into play major here because Kyle's not understanding what Amanda needs and Amanda's taking everything he's saying personally, which I think anybody would. I don't think Kyle means it maliciously. I think he's just trying to list off what. they need to fix, and that's how he operates. Yeah, and I think, I mean, I feel like with Kyle specifically, there's a hint of frustration in there because, I mean, they're married.

They spent a lot of time off camera together, obviously, and I think that this was a bit of a spillover from things that they've been discussing for weeks and weeks at this point. And that is a byproduct of them working together, too. I mean, that whole pragmatic approach to everything that they're doing in their relationship is because they probably have a ton of business discussions together, too. So it's really hard to kind of separate those two lives. and I do think, and we've talked to a crazy extent about the psychosis of getting into Kyle and everything like that.

I don't think psychosis is the right word. Psycho-analytics? The psychology of Kyle. All right, fine. Psychology of Kyle. Psychosis is like when you lose your mind. Well, I mean, we could go crazy by doing this. You could talk about the psychosis of Kyle too, yeah.

We could do the psychosis of the brav bros. I mean, I've lost my mind a long time ago. Yeah, I know. Same. But anyway, what I want to take away from this is I'd like to see more of Paige and Kyle being able to discuss things because Paige could be a really good go-between. She understands the emotional side of Amanda that it seems like Kyle is completely missing. And look, I think that he understands some of it. But at the end of the day, a best friend is probably going to be able to pick up on that.

And what I saw from this, at least with Paige and Amanda sitting down, Paige wasn't doing what she used to do. where if Kyle was being an asshole, she would kind of rev Amanda up. Kind of. She would get her. Yeah, I was being a little, you know, I was footing around there. But she kind of took Kyle's side of first because Amanda immediately said he was talking shit. She's like, no, he wasn't talking shit. He was just talking about what you guys were going through. I was like, whoa, weird.

I thought the same thing. Very odd. And that added to my confusion because I was confused as it was. But I do want to see more of that because I think that can help. And it brings a different element to this, especially with Paige being in a good relationship with Craig. She understands a little bit more. Maybe she can learn a bit from this and a little bit from that. A little mutual beneficial relationship. Yeah, I hope so. I'd like to see it. I think it would be great for Kyle. I genuinely think it'd be great for Kyle just because... This is what happens when we

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See, we're not always bashers. Yep. We're a lot of the time we are. I'm going to get to bashing later this episode. Don't you worry if that's true for it. If you read our reviews, we only bash the women on these shows. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Yeah.

Despite the fact that I think three of our most of our most. viral videos ever are about shit-talking the dudes on the show. But that's neither here nor there. We've moved past that. But everyone's packing up to leave, and Danielle points it out, this was a great weekend, guys. This might be the best weekend yet. And we have a very interesting moment with Gabby because she was apprehensive about coming back to the house.

Last summer was rough for everybody involved. The viewers, the people in the house, it didn't go well at all. And Gabby's friends with Lindsay and. Carl. Her having this realization in a confessional where she's like, this weekend was really great and I was apprehensive about coming back to the house. I came back. We had such a fantastic weekend.

Lindsay and Carl might be the issue. I mean, we've all seen it watching at home because as soon as they are presented back to the house, it's like oil and water. It doesn't mix well. But to see a friend of Lindsay's and somebody that's close with Carl be like, yeah, they're the problem.

That's a big moment. And I think that everybody in the house without saying it flat out, like in the house, and I'm sure they're saying it behind closed doors or whatever, that's the problem. I'm not saying that those two individually are the problem, but those two together are absolutely the problem. They bring all the vibes down. I think Lindsay's the problem, though. Yeah, I agree, especially after watching this fucking. Yeah. But yeah, no, I didn't really, I mean, I guess, look, it's reality TV, so Danielle's going to throw some shade a little bit there. I didn't like that she pointed it. it out right away like hey guys

fester on it yeah i wanted people to be like whoa this is really great and then the next weekend it'd be shit which it was and they're like oh there we go okay which they kind of did anyway but you know daniel was saying it because she knows what's coming and her saying that this was the best weekend ever it's like all right this is calm the fuck you've been on the show for a few years now like there have been better weekends let's relax well we'll push your agenda here

the next scene we get to check in with carl and lindsay and they're in the city and I just wrote down at the top, so I didn't forget to say it, vibes, question mark. Because did you feel like they were cohesive in this scene? The most unproduced scene I've ever seen in my entire life, dude. And like when they're talking about the wedding stuff, and this could be production doing Carl Dirty,

but he seemed very nervous about the conversation. He did not seem that excited about it. He seemed to be like feigning a smile. Like I think that a lot of the things that we're going to watch play out and when we had Craig on he told us this he said you're going to watch this whole entire thing play out over the season you're going to get to see pretty much

everything but there's already flags I'm already watching the scene between the two of them like this is awkward the start of the scene was and obviously we you know we ended fourth of July weekend in the Hamptons and that is normally summer house when we went back to New York

all of a sudden it seems like a shitty hallmark movie where it's like oh we've got like different camera angles of Lindsay walking up with water and she's chirping Carl while he's playing basketball. I hated it. And he's playing with his friends. It's like, all right, enough. Like, I get it. I hated it. Here's Carl with other friends. Okay, we get it. He has other friends. Great. He's playing basketball. He's playing basketball. He's playing basketball. He's playing basketball. He's playing basketball. Like, fuck off. Like, I fucking understand. You could have skipped most of that. Just did a little montage of her walking

and him playing basketball and then them sitting down immediately. You didn't have to do all of this to show us. Whoa, look at this. They're a supportive couple. Like, fuck off. Look at you with your productive eyes there. I hated that, dude. I hated that whole scene. And obviously because I know what happens at the end of the season, I'm looking at everything so, so in-depth, body language, how they're looking at each other, like literally any little sign I can get, I'm trying to find it. The babe conversation, to me, spoke way louder than it seemed,

because when he says, I'm not going to call you babe this summer, I'm going to call you dude. He was 100% serious. And I like to think that we had something to do with that because we made fun of them when he came on our podcast about it. But regardless, I mean, everybody made fun of the babe thing. But her reaction to it, she's like, oh, you're going to really let what other people think, like keep you from saying that, like, blah, blah, blah.

It's like, dude, it's not that fucking deep. It's a word. It's a word that is overused by the two of you. It's annoying. And him trying to make this statement lightly, just by calling you a different name, you already got pissed about that. And now you're already saying, oh, other people are going to dictate how we talk to each other. Like, that's bullshit.

You amped it up to a level that it. didn't need to go to, and for me, red flag. And I'm trying to count them all up. I'm trying to see where they're not vibing. And it was the same thing when she's talking about the wedding. And she's like, and maybe next summer I'll be pregnant. Who knows? It flashes to Carl's face.

He's trying to smile. But he looks nervous as shit. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot more things at work here, too. And that's the thing. If you're a fucking cringy couple and you're calling each other babe all the time, your friends should make fun of you and then you stop doing it.

Yes. Like, that is how that works. You shouldn't make a statement about. I'd be like, no, we're going to keep doing it. Yeah, no, that would be insane. That would make no sense. It's not worth it. No, it's not worth it at all.

And you can tell right away, and this is, it's just the idea of going back to that house, being on this show with all the people that did not support your relationship last year, is weighing very heavily on Lindsay. Clearly. To the point where even, like, leading up to that, and obviously, you know, we're talking about the engagement. We're talking about getting married. All of those things, Lindsay seems fine and light. And, yeah, obviously. You know, it's still Lindsay, so she's talking very matter of fact.

You can see Carl's things, but whatever. Lindsay completely changes when Carl brings up the summer. Yeah. And that's really all it is. As soon as he brings up going to that house, Lindsay changes. And she's worried about this. And it's got to be hanging over. And look, I get it.

Like, I fully understand. You are living in your own little love bubble in New York. You've got your very expensive apartment that people are wondering how you even afford it, all of those things. I don't know what's going on with your friendships in life. I don't know who you're hanging out with in the city. But it seems like you're at least okay. there. Once you go to this house, everything changes. So you have to be fucking worried about that. I get that to a point. And it's nice to at least see that Lindsay's worried about it, but not in this

way. Not to the point where now you have to take it out on Carl. Carl's your lifeline. If anything, you should be going up there knowing that you have each other's backs, not fucking whatever the hell that was. You're immediately against each other because Carl's saying, look, I don't want to get made fun of. So let's just drop it. It's not a big deal. Let's stop doing it. It's not that deep. yeah but see to me that spoke volumes that little little thing right there spoke volumes to me but moving on we get a quick scene with siar she's trying to get back into modeling and you know she's trying to crack into the new york fashion scene i'm pretty sure she is modeling now so i guess it worked but um that's when we get to the Kyle and the Amanda date and they're able to squash

things here you know Kyle says I'm overwhelmed by the day today because I feel like a lot of this shit falls on me whether that be our taxes, whether that be the business stuff. It just seems like the daily chores, like the adulting chores seem to be leaning on him. And meanwhile, he's also trying to work a lot. And she is there in confessional saying, I'm never going to be that person. I'm not going to work that hard. Now, that's okay on both sides. All right. The problem is they're unable to have this conversation where Kyle can understand because I thought she did a nice job of voicing it and saying, if these fights don't turn out the way they do,

if you're not listing off things that I'm not good at and making me feel insecure and sad, I don't crawl in bed and feel like shit for a few days and I'm unproductive. Meanwhile, Kyle's saying, I need you to be able to do more and help me out and support me because I don't feel like this is a partnership right now. Both things can be true.

There's a way that you can come to terms with that where Kyle understands her emotions. You can't list off the things you're not liking about her and expect her to rise to the occasion because you're her husband. And you pretty much told your wife, you're not ready to have a kid, which is ludicrous. Now, on the flip side, I hope that Amanda can see where Kyle's coming from in some ways where it's like, yeah, I've got a lot of my plate. I need some help.

I think that we saw them, at least in this moment, be able to smooth it over. And I think that that's something that's always good about these two is that they're always able to reach an agreement where they come back together. We see at the end of the episode, they're laying in bed talking shit about Lindsay and Carl and holding hands at the end of the night, which, you know, nothing brings a couple together, like watching another couple just fucking catch flame and just fizzle out. It really puts your problems into perspective. It sure does. And that's the thing is like this isn't a small issue. This is obviously something that is much bigger than, you know, and it'll get bigger.

They'll have to get through the communication. They'll have to get through pretty much everything. And it comes down to, do you want to have a family? This is what it comes down to. And that's a big question for a newly wedded couple. When do they get married? They had married last year or the year before? I think it was two years ago now.

So, yeah. So, I mean, you're two years into your marriage, so you're thinking about these things. You need to be able to discuss them, but at least you're thinking. Yeah. And if you need a terrible couple next door who is crashing and burning to put things into perspective for you, and then you start talking about this,

good. You're in the right house. There you go. You know what? I think, you know, now that we've talked about it more, this to me is screaming that Kyle's not ready period and I think that him lashing out is his insecurities and he's putting them on Amanda because there's a lot of things that he's I don't want to say not happy with but things that are frustrating him with her and I think

that it is showing in the form of he is very very nervous at the prospect of having a child which he does talk about later just say that just say that and then you can say these are the reasons why I'm nervous because I feel like a lot of the day-to-day falls on me and with my job, I won't be able to do all of that. That's a different way to put it. That's a communicative way to put it. I was going to say a communication way to put it. I think Kyle has a really hard time opening up and we haven't really seen him open up too much to any. Honestly, he's opened up more on TV to strangers and like new people in the house. Then he has to like a man within Carl. That's interesting. Unless it's forced. And then once it's forced, then he kind of like completely

breaks down. So I think that's probably like culprit number one for this is if he is feeling these things, he's not opening up enough. And again, I mean, what are we, therapists here? No. I feel like at this point, we're just getting there. I'm a personal trainer, so part of my job is an unlicensed therapy.

But, uh, I don't know, we'll see how it goes. But moving on, we get Jesse and West, they're driving there. I do like this duo. I think they're funny together in the clip of them at the game where he's feeding him a chicken nugget. I'm like, there's just two dudes. It's the bros. A couple of bros hanging out. but I didn't care for the way that once again,

he brought up Page. It's like, and maybe this is like Carl Bias, or maybe this is Craig bias because I'm like, don't fuck with her. That's like, she's with Craig. But at the same time,

like, to come into a house and just be like, I'm going to hook up with anybody, regardless of their situation, especially people that have been mainstays, which means you've seen the show. Yeah. You've seen Craig.

And you don't give a fuck. I don't like that. I don't think that's like a fun, corky thing. I think it's gross. Yeah, I don't like that at all. And it's weird because we've got two ends of the spectrum back-to-back seasons where we had Chris last year, who was unbelievably respectful of everybody.

Yeah, to the point where, you know, he didn't hook up with anybody pretty much the entire summer. I got that one chick at the end. He hooked up with one chick at the end of the summer. That's great. But he got, you know, shut down along the way a bunch of different times. Yeah. So we had that end of the spectrum. Now we've got Jesse who's like, I don't care if you're in a relationship or not.

Actually, I prefer if you're in a relationship because those are the best ones, important to him. Yeah. I guess he's not wrong in that regard. Like, you're in a relationship. They're taken for a reason, I guess. But no, that's also, like, that's belittling single people. He just might not have found your person yet.

It is. I did at least appreciate the fact that he didn't also say that he wanted to go after Sierra. Because I don't want them to have... They don't need to have a feud between West and Jesse. That's not fun. I don't care for that. I don't care for any of that. So that was good.

That was respectful boundaries. And I did like the conversation that they had driving up together. It was fun. Yeah, there was a couple of bros. but we get to the house and Lindsay and Carl arrive and the room selection's a problem because of course it is but don't worry she knows the house the fact that she had to say that in that tone I hated that

and like it flashes over to Carl's face and he kind of grimaces a little bit there's just a lot of red flags dude this is the thing they know West they're friends with West I know why is she treating him like shit I don't know that's another friend in the house that you have the house is it the house yeah is this like a polter situation? I don't fucking know. It's just weird. Like, what happens? She walks into the house and she just completely flips the switch. Now, I get it. Again,

as I already explained during the basketball scene, you're very uneasy going into all of this, but West is a friend. He is someone that you can use to feel better about the situation and talk to and confide in, and he might be able to come for you because he seems like a very nice guy. You can do all of those things. You don't burn a bridge right away over

a goddamn fan? No, not the hot room in the house. He didn't even care about the house. He was like, or the room. He was like, you know what, you can have the room, but can I take the fan yeah give him the goddamn fan he's giving you the room well she needed the room with the bathroom fine she gets the room at the bathroom she's pissed off about the room west is just trying to get his shit and leave he's like do do you you know what i'm in the middle i don't want to be in the middle i'm up which i love that he just bounces but she's already pissed off about the room and again

is this just the house is it the people in the house like it's just the people it's yeah i don't know man but we get a scene with daniel and kyle and they're talking about lindsay and car and like what's this like how's it feel for you because it's got to be a little bit awkward And I did appreciate that she has gotten to the point now where she, I don't think she'll ever be out on a friendship with Lindsay. And as we know, that they have reconnected since Lindsay and Carlos split. But she has the wherewithal in this scene to say,

I don't want the relationship we had. That's gone, which is true. That's gone. You're not getting that back. But maybe there's something there that, something new that we can pursue together as a friend. Like, I'm open to it. But she also declares that this is fun summer for Danielle.

So we'll see what that looks like. but I don't know it's going to be that fun. I don't know, but we get to the wedding invite part, and Danielle got invited to the wedding, has not replied yet, and of course, in that moment, Lindsay walks by the room,

because of course she does. That's not even production. That's just really bad. Maybe it is the house. It could be the house. Maybe it's just this fucking house. Who knows? But we get to dinner,

a little surf and turf, thanks to Carl. It looked great, but we do a fun game, and the game is, newbies, let's name something, an interesting fact about you. And West goes first, and he says, well, I've been to all 50 states. That is interesting.

That's a fun little, that's a good one. We get to Jesse, and that's when he shares with the group that he's beaten testicular cancer twice. It spread to his stomach. He went through chemo, the whole bit, and has survived, which is amazing. Once again, congratulations. That's awesome. And West hits it with the phenomenal one-liner. Could you imagine if I would go first?

you couldn't go and thankfully this game did gear up towards the newbies because at first it was for everybody yeah i know i did not like the way that was no no no what is it with these goddamn games i don't know but we stop this was a good this was fine because it was the newbies and we got to learn something new about jesse it allowed for the audience to connect to them in a different way not just the fuck boy coming in to bang all the women in relationships so that's good allows us to see a different side and again this is the scene in which i was like oh there's a different side to you and i don't know if you're actually this party boy that you're trying to be.

Maybe you are. Time will tell. But I agree with you in your original assessment that there's more to this than just a guy that's trying to get laid. So we will see how the summer goes. We will. But everyone's getting dressed to go out. They're all trying to decide.

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This is the real reality. Subscribe now, wherever you get your podcast. And as Lindsay stomping back into the house, Gabby's close behind her, and she is so pissed off about something. And I guess what had happened? They were in the car on the way there, and Lindsay got in the car with all of the boys. And I'm sure immediately she was feeling some type of way because that's her biggest faux pa in the group, according to the girls in the group. She only hangs out with the dudes. She doesn't take the time to get close with the women in the group.

So immediately she is insecure about being in that car. Carl tries to say it's not that deep. Let's just get to the bar, which in my brain, that's exactly how this went. Hey, it's not that big a deal. Let's just get there. And then she goes off on him and starts yelling at him. They get to the bar and it's this whole thing. But I guess in the car, she has the fucking nerve to lean in and ask him, what are you on?

What are you on? I'm not getting into it yet because we're going to keep going because there's way more. But she leaves immediately. They get there. She comes home. and the good thing is this is actually a great idea because when I saw the clip on Instagram

where Amanda took notes I was like that's kind of grimy it's not because she takes notes when she's really drunk so that she can read them the next day and know what they talked about I was like that's actually kind of genius a smart move

I actually might start doing it. I know it's really fucking smart right that's a great call but she reads off her notes and says one he's on something two can't do this three he's on something Yep.

So multiple times, she said that he's on something. And when we get back to the house and she's talking to Gabby, she's like, Lindsay, she's like, Carl was speaking tonight like he was cocaine Carl. This gets even worse as we go. She keeps implying that he has been on something. Carl texts her in this moment and it's a very, very, very reasonable text and says, I would like to have the, or I hope we can have the same conversation tomorrow and hopefully we can see each other's perspective

on the matter. It is so so reasonable. There wasn't even a hint of being an asshole. It was very forthcoming. Let's talk about this tomorrow. You're fucking wasted. This is going to go nowhere. I will listen to you tomorrow. I hope you listened to me.

Now, here's the thing that people might point out. He waited until after he had talked to Gabby to send that text message. He wasn't texting Lindsay beforehand. So what? She had said, I'm fine with it. I get it because the way that she left and whatever she accused him of doing. I wouldn't want to text her either.

I understand that. She looked at it as like almost like a manipulative situation where it's like, oh, now he cares about me. Now we're going to do this. Now he's going to text me and check in on me. No. Like that's just not, this is him saying this now because now Gabby's evolved. Yeah.

And you know what? He knew that Gabby had gone back with you. But now he probably knows. And I would suspect that Gabby probably texted Carl and said, hey, like, this is what's going on. She accused you of being on cocaine. Like this is fucking insane. saying something along those lines

and now he's reaching out he's like look like we'll do this tomorrow but we're certainly not going to do this tonight the way that you are and it got worse she texts him let me know when you're sober the next scene we got a confessional with Carl and it broke my fucking heart

and as the resident sober guy here this is something that you cannot fuck with this is something that you simply don't do because of the ramifications it goes so much further than just insulting your fiance by the way you're getting married to this man and you are proclaiming on TV that millions of people are going to see that a sober guy is back on drugs the implication there goes so much further beyond just trying

to be mean to somebody that you love because what you're saying to the world is that he fell off the wagon he doesn't even have the right to defend himself in this moment because because you're drunk at home with cameras everywhere and a fucking microphone and you're pissed off because you had a rough night by your own doing and you're going to claim that Carl is no longer sober and watching him have to talk to us, the audience, and say that I'm physically shaking right now.

It literally hit me in the stomach. I was like, I can't imagine how I would react what I would say if somebody genuinely accused me of being drunk. I would lose my mind. I would genuinely lose my mind. my mind and then I would be so sad and then I'd be so nervous that other people would hear this and assume anything about me and that's what she doesn't get the fact that other people in the

house are now talking about that regardless of whether they believe it or not they shouldn't be talking about it they should be proud of Carl for standing strong and being sober but instead you're calling into question his sobriety it is not something that you can just fuck with like that is such a fragile thing and it's also person to person and we had the opportunity to talk to Carl's sobriety I don't know where he's at now we haven't talked to him in a year a year ago it was very fragile and he's open about that he hasn't had the easiest road in sobriety but he stayed sober

that's really fucking hard to do even if you have a handle on it so for her to call it into question so willy-nilly because she decided to get fucking drunk and be an asshole about it really broke my heart well what the fuck did like she even said what Carl had said to her yeah even when she's explaining what he was doing and what he was saying that doesn't sound erratic. Not at all. It sounds like he didn't want to do this right now.

It sounds like you're in front of a bunch of people in the house which, by the way, we've probably talked about if I'm Lindsay and Carl, a million times before we went up to this house and on the car ride up there. And we're going to talk about it on the car ride back, obviously. So no, this is not one of those situations. This is just a, why are you letting them win

situations? Why are you letting them get to you? And they're not even doing anything to get to you. People are just nervous because you could melt down at a fucking pin drop and that's pretty much what happens like this is not they're doing at this point and I get it there are things that have happened in the last couple of years and you don't feel like they support your relationship whatever get over it you have Carl the two of you can figure it out together you're not doing that you're letting them win and they're not even trying to fucking win they did nothing they were nice to you when you walked in I don't even want to

put blame on them like I'm not putting blame on them at all Daniel gave you a hug that could be like public enemy number one and she's trying to just get through this weekend without it being a shitstorm nobody is doing anything No one is actively plotting against you. Maybe they were last year, but they're not right now. And you're letting it go completely wayward just because of your own doing. And you're blaming Carl, the only other person in the house that could potentially have your back. Now you're leaving this weekend like, oh, shit, this is Lindsay.

I feel bad for Carl. Yeah. You lost. Exactly. And the worst part about it all, you know, they slept in different rooms. And the next morning she comes back into the bedroom and gives him a water, which I would have done the same fucking thing, Carl, that I've been like, I don't need a water, not from you at least. Like, I would have thrown it, though.

He was very nice and, like, put it on the other side of the bed. This scene sucked so much because he's not being unreasonable at all. He's trying to discuss things. He's very frustrated, understandably so. He hasn't even broached the topic that you were walking around this house last night, telling everybody that I'm no longer sober. He hasn't even gotten to that point. He's just trying to talk to her.

He's trying to have a conversation. She is gaslighting the shit out of him. you treated me like shit last night why are you yelling why are you so mad i'll talk to when you're not mad he wasn't now he is because anybody's saying that it's like if you're a little bit cranky and somebody keeps calling you grumpy now you're in a terrible mood you're just poking the bear because now you realize how much you fucked up you're trying to spin this and put the blame back on carl because you had the nerve to go around the house and tell people that he's back on drugs and now you're in panic mode how can i flip this how can i spin this i'm going to blame it on

him. You shouldn't have treated me like that last night. You were out of line. Go fuck yourself instead of actually looking inward and being like, oh my God, Carl, I got too drunk last night. I'm really sorry. I can't believe that I would ever say one of the worst possible things I could say about you. And let's not even like get into the fact that he lost his brother from drugs, which was the big kick in the ass to get off of drugs himself. You're negating all of that with one fucking statement it's so sad it's so fucking sad and i like my heart broke for carl dude i can't say it enough i don't ever want to watch this episode again i don't ever want to see that again i hope they don't keep hammering at home because they well but you don't need to and this is where like

tv it transcends tv it's no longer reality tv this is a man's sobriety a man that's fragile in sobriety that has worked his ass off to stay sober and has turned his whole entire life around Let's not fuck with it. Lindsay, do not ever fuck with it again. It's so insane that you and I are sitting here having this conversation. It's wild to me. Like, this is a much bigger deal than it's getting attention. Not that I wanted to get attention.

Let it go away, but fuck me, man. Yeah, did you see her response? Her fucking half-assed Instagram response? Yeah, like take some fucking accountability. Come out and say, wow, I looked horrible. I am so sorry, Carl. I know we've had our shit. But wow.

It was more that she, and again, timing is everything when it comes to these things. I don't think that this was a problem of Bravo wasn't going to let her apologize on Instagram. Like, come on. No. It was timing is everything. This episode's about to air. Let me get this out there now. Yes.

A couple hours before it airs to say that I am really sorry for my behavior and I shouldn't have done that. You're way more concerned about how you look on TV than you are about what you may have done to Carl. Yeah. That's at the end of it. And that's really all it is. And in that moment, even during the scene itself, during when it was live, Lindsay was way more worried about her perception in the house than she was about her fiancé. Yep.

That is all it is. Well, Carl said it best. This is the person I'm marrying? Mm-hmm. I did say when we were talking to Ryan Bailey that we weren't going to get any of this until the very end or at least the breakup. It happened immediately. First weekend in the house. This is what Craig.

You can't handle this? Craig told us. He said, you're going to watch a play out all season. Yeah, but if it's like this, I don't want to watch this. No, I don't, but you know what? I did appreciate because we don't see it a lot between the two of them. Carl's very agreeable when it comes to their arguments. He tries to keep the level head.

And I'm not saying that that isn't correct. Like, in a relationship, you know, if somebody is a little bit more volatile when you fight, then you need the level-headed person so you kind of even each other out. You get through it. It's not saying it can't work. I'm not saying that by any means. But we've seen these two argue. And most of the time, Carl is the one to be a little bit more like,

all right, all right. Like, I'm not saying, yeah, but he deserved this one to be. Absolutely. And we should have lost it, yeah. We see him at the very end of the scene finally be like, no, like, this is fucking crazy. This is, he pretty much puts the blame on her finally and storms out of the room. And I was like, fucking thank God. Yeah.

Thank God we didn't have an awkward scene in which you're trying to figure this out because you don't owe her shit right now. I just didn't want to watch him roll over and then they come back to the house next weekend. And it's like, babe, babe, babe, babe, babe, babe, come on. No, this needs to be addressed. And look, I don't know, man. We'll see what happens next week. We'll see what happens, but it was just genuinely, genuinely tough to watch. But we got lots of questions, so why don't we jump in and up first from Carberry Vaca, just excited for the steel rant?

Well, you got one, so you're welcome. It wasn't as heated as some of the previous ones have been, but hopefully that, uh... He's got to keep his energy for Wednesday. Yeah, hopefully that was good enough. Oh, Carberry Vaca actually capitalized her name. I think that's making a point. Is that making it correctly? No E at the end.

From Ellie Rains, are you still believing that Lindsay was blindsided after this week's episode? Ellie, I never thought she was. Yeah, no. We never did. We took a stance a long time ago. It's becoming way more clear why Carl has kept quiet. Right. And like, we took this stance a year ago.

We said we are not jumping to any conclusions because we don't. know anything yet all we've heard is lindsay's side of things we've yet to hear from carl we're going to sit back and wait for everything to come out from charnick one was this hard to watch as a sober person has something like this ever happened to you i had one moment where somebody called into question my sobriety but it wasn't nearly as visceral it was it was more of just a question and the question itself kind of hurt my feelings because it this is something that i do want to say and I know we've talked about already, but when you question the sobriety of somebody, it makes us then in turn question things.

I don't think people understand that. You start looking at yourself and being like, oh, am I being a good enough sober person? Like, am I giving signs that maybe I'm leaning towards one direction? Like, that's what Lindsay doesn't understand by saying that you can force the person that's in sobriety to kind of question, maybe I'm not doing a good enough job at this. Am I leaning closer to that side of the street than I want to be? And you start questioning how much control you have over the situation. And that's why it's so fucking dangerous.

But no, nothing to this level or magnitude has ever happened like this. No. I'll do one more from Tom Whitwright. Is there a future of Summerhouse with Younger Blood? Oh, geez moved to a separate show. Yeah, it's called Summer House Martha's Vineyard. It comes out in a month. And it's a fantastic show.

It's all a younger show. cast yeah and oh man i didn't know that was coming out next month yeah i think april something you haven't watched that one yet that's a great show that is really really a good show and if you haven't dove into it yet with the new season coming out look we didn't steer you guys wrong on southern hospitality we're not steering you wrong here either go check out summer house martha's vineyard i promise you'll like it and the next season's coming up so you got some more shit to watch but i got one more here all right later i do want to address this zach melon asked do you think this is Lindsay's last season and Carl will return fun and single.

Yes. I am very worried. Oh, no, why? I'm so worried. No, they're not going to bring Lindsay back and not Carl. I am so worried that Carl's going to be like, you know what? I can't do this, which is fine if that's what he needs to do for sobriety and he just can't do it anymore. But if he's not there, fills the hole with Lindsay.

No, I don't. I think either both of them are gone or Carl comes back or they try to shoehorn in like a Lindsay redemption arc. And after tonight, I'm fucking. If I mean, I am so. If I'm Carl, this is what I'm worried about, they broke up. If they tried to bravo producers are like, hey, let's try to shoehorn this in. We'll do a little Lindsay.

Carl comes up a couple of times. Carl doesn't want to be anywhere near that. Doesn't go on the show. Lindsay's now on the show. That's what I'm worried about. I don't, I think that a lot. I don't think it, but I feel it. I think a lot of that will rely on how she is received this season.

And if this is what we are going to watch for the entire season, I can't imagine people are clamoring for Lindsay to come back. So, anyway, yeah, that was a great episode. That scene fucking sucked, but I feel better. Like I always say, this is cathartic for me. This is almost like therapy, so. It always is. Catharsism.

Cathercism. I'm bringing that. That's going to be a word. Yeah. I was bummed out when you texted it to me. I texted you back. I said, was there red squiggles under it? You said there sure were, and I was pretty upset.

But catharsism, it sounds like a real word. It doesn't sound nearly as good as something being cathartic. It actually sounds negative. Just keep saying it until it is a word. That's my goal. I said, this is going to be our word. You said, we need to get a word into the dictionary. I think catharsism is that.

Yeah, but I don't want it to be derivative. I want it to be a new one. Just like a totally made-up word. Okay, that's going to be tougher. To our listeners, if you hear us say some stupid shit, can you write it down because we forget things almost instantly. We do, yeah. So if you hear something silly, a brav-broism, if you will, send it our way.

That's a good word. That's a good word. Brov-brism? Yeah. It's a terrible word. Broism. A broism, that's already a word. I don't know.

I've heard people that say broism. See, stolen valor. Oh, fuck. We're better than that. We'll figure it out. But while we're figuring it out, you go buy those tickets to our live shows coming up. And our first one is tomorrow, while you're listening to this. Go buy a ticket.

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Blow off the doors on Wednesday night, you know? And then get your tickets to D.C., that is the Union Stage, May 3rd. Please, please, please bring all of your friends. Let's pack that bitch. I want that whole place filled. That would be incredible. And then the last one is Boston, City Winery, June 14th, also a Friday night. That's already almost sold out.

So if you don't have your Boston tickets and you're planning on going to Boston, go buy them now. Don't wait. If you wait, I don't think you're going to get them. It's a 75 person room. I've been wrong about the number. I keep saying 72. It's 75. Okay.

All right, it's 75 people. But that does not take away from the fact that there's not 75 tickets left. It's not. It's five more than we thought. But not. a lot of tickets. So go get your tickets and you got anything else? Nope. Well, Rob Bros. are out of here. See you tomorrow.

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