Bros & Shows - Whatever's Coming for WestManda Isn't Nearly Enough (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

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And remember, no one knows this is happening as we're watching everything happen. It is awful. It just worse, week in and week out, West is more of a dickhead than I imagined. Yeah, there's not a whole lot more to say about it. It's just, it's so tough. And it's funny, too, because Andy keeps saying pretty much every episode, look with one eye open you gotta keep an eye out for all the things

that are going on and he said that about the Kyle Cook episode and you know after watching and like all right we've definitely seen Kyle do worse this one kind of lived up to that height but honestly I don't even fault Andy because he could say that for every episode till the end of the season also let me clarify Amanda is turning out to be a bigger and bigger

asshole each week as well it's not just west yeah yeah yeah but this is very west century because Amanda couldn't even show up this week as she's just going through it apparently oh I have theories Oh, do I have theories. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock.

And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros.

Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the sleuth himself. Sherlock Goots. What's up, dude? Yeah, we didn't really have to put our investigation hats on this week. It's all just there. You could have closed your eyes and you still have fallen into something. I think I would have preferred to close my eyes.

I think I would have preferred to not see this at all. This was just brutal. I mean, this was absolutely brutal. On the heels of him acting like an absolute jackass, him being West, this is the follow-up, which, you know, hindsight is a bitch, Garma's a bitch, but also we know what the fuck's going on here. This episode was just so, as clear as day to see what's going on and what he's doing in response to it.

It's upsetting. It's upsetting to watch what's transpiring because Sierra has been Sierra since she's come on this show, since she's made her 10. you're on TV. Like, this is who she is. She's a good person. She has walls up for a great reason, apparently. But she's like a solid individual. Like, she's always been a good, nice person at her core. We are led to believe that Amanda and West are both good people. Little did we know that they're huge assholes. And before we get into everything, you guys know we do our little update what's been going on.

We had our first speak out from West. He went on a stupid podcast, which is going to get listens now because nobody knew he had a podcast. Now everyone's going to listen to a stupid podcast. Please don't give him your patronage. Please. Like, he doesn't deserve to get more listeners

for it being a huge piece of shit. He inevitably will because that's how the stupid world works, but whatever. He is trying to do the hurt puppy dog thing. I knew this was going to be, the route where it's like we didn't expect this, this, that, like, I'm worried about Amanda more than anything. And he had the balls to say, and this is the funniest shit, because he's been able to get away

with this nice guy stick for so long because he's able to, like, throw on the charm and people fall for it. But your problem is you're a liar. And other people aren't scared of, of you to check you. So KJ, who is fucking awesome, by the way, KJ, in response to West saying, you know, I reached out, I texted KJ, I texted so and so. KJ goes on Twitter or something or threads and goes, still waiting on that text message. I'm going to stop commenting, though, so I don't get accused of cyberbullying because that's the route that West and Amanda are taking is, oh, please leave us alone.

You're being. I was so mean to us. KJ is quite arguably the nicest person on Bravo, like collectively. If KJ is clapping back at you, you really need to look in the mirror because you have seriously fucked up your life. yeah i he said a couple of weeks ago west said a couple of weeks ago amanda said it you know whatever at they were reaching out like yes they they had texted the people involved i'm imagining when they said that at first they were thinking like kyle lindsay carl sierra i mean mea said i'll watch what happens live sierra i'm sure she got a bunch of text messages that she

hasn't responded to seara's the only one who really hasn't spoken out yet you know linds on all the comments and obviously KJ is now in all the comments, Dara, Sabrina, everybody else has kind of spoken up in. So I imagine when he said, yeah, I texted everybody involved. He didn't also text KJ, which is fine. And obviously it's fine that KJ can take fucking shots. But I don't know. It's just, it's crazy.

And it's exactly what you expect. I mean, going on your podcast and talking about it like, yeah, I'm really, I'm doing better. I've done better. And, you know, I'm just really going through it. And, you know, my biggest concern is everybody online talking about the timeline, the timeline, the timeline. It started like late February, and that's what we're sticking to.

So that's what they're going to stick to, which just, it doesn't track. And I'm going to ignore the summer house, what we're watching right now. I'm going to say just the rest of the facts, like just the rest of everything else going on, because now we have a timeline of other events that have happened. You were in February, Valentine's Day, on a date with a girl. St. Patty's Day, you were out there hooking up with a girl. There's a girl online that's saying that you guys were almost exclusive or exclusive, whatever you want to read into there.

But you're saying that you and Amanda, got serious at the end of February. Things got a little too serious at the end of February and they had to be addressed, which they wouldn't have been addressed if it didn't come out, of course. But now what you're saying, which just confirms everything, is that the end of February things got serious, which means it started before the end of February. Before the end of February, you were also still dating other girls and mid-March. You were still dating other girls.

So things got serious with Amanda, but you were still dating other girls. So what is serious for you? That's what I really want to know is what is serious. And I think there's been other indications that things were going on. And Jesse was on Watch what happened's live last night. Everybody had their inklings. Everybody had their theories about what was going on. Jesse said February, but you know, you're going to have to subtract a month from that.

I mean, I think that most people were probably on to them hanging out more and more. As we saw the snow day, which we remember, it's very fresh in our minds. It was in January. Steel was in California. Still didn't even know that there was snow over here. We were all buried in snow. West and Amanda were snuggling up. Steel was in California.

So it's really Steele's fault is what I'm getting. bad guys. You know, if he was still here on the East Coast, you probably could have stopped it. He's sort of bad of bad relationships. But, uh, but yeah, again,

the timeline's not timelining. And if you, if you're going to do this and the PR is so fucking bad, because I know what they're doing with the PR. Look at the Yankees game. They're openly making out and it was uncomfortable. I thought that like, yeah,

we were talking about it for so long that it was going to be not that crazy. When you see the two of them together, it's still going to be a little crazy. Watching them make out on the yes, network was uncomfortable. It was wild to watch all of that happen. I didn't expect me to feel that exact type of way. But you're openly making out.

She's sitting down the whole game. She's trying to get you to sit down. You guys are not good. Just fucking end it. Just literally end it. Don't do this whole bullshit. They absolutely should and they absolutely have to. I think they absolutely fucking have to because this is awful.

And it's just going to end up awful for Amanda again. And then what? We're supposed to have a pity party for Amanda because he's going to leave you for another girl. He's going to go to a different city. Because by the way, this is Bravo. He can go to a different city, and there's still going to be girls throwing themselves at him

because he's West and he's on Bravo. None of that's going to fucking matter. He's still going to be able to move on. That's what dudes do on Bravo all the time. Amanda's going to get left in the dust again, except this time you have no friends because you burned all those bridges by going along with West.

So the whole situation is just going to end up messy. This PR is some of the worst PR I've ever seen. Like, act like you guys are in a good relationship. and just stand as a united front like, hey, we didn't expect all these feelings, but we've got feelings for each other. Don't do that because we're watching in real time. West is talking to Sierra,

who he had real feelings for, and we'll get more into this in this episode. But he burned her too. And there was way more between Sierra and West than there was between Amanda and West. And also, Jesse last night talking on Montreubbins Live, like, yeah, I was a little upset, but it's now a lot more upsetting because he was upset

that I was going to try to make a move on a girl that he dated for three weeks, two years ago, and here he is with our friend's ex-wife, less than a couple months later. So you make those comparisons. It's just, it's an absolute dumpster fire. I wish, and I actually had the thought that maybe I should go into like reality TV, PR, because I would have told them right away. You'd be better than we've seen for sure.

I agree with everything you said. I don't see a way forward in any way, shape, or form. What I don't want to see any more of. is people going to bat for West and Amanda because it's such an easy thing to like lay out the cop out of, well, don't bully them like cyberbullying this and that. Okay, fine. I agree. Nobody should be bullied relentlessly to the point that they're having a mental breakdown. But at the same time, if you are an asshole and you do asshole things, you're going to hear about it. And so all of these middle-aged hyphenated white women in the comments are like,

a man is a person too. Shut up for a while. They just shut up. We're still fresh on this thing. We're watching in real time how disrespectful West is being. We're watching in real time him completely disregard everything Mia, KJ, and Sierra said to him about being black on reality TV. That is such a big factor in this whole thing.

That's getting glossed over as we get further into this. but West is deliberately ignoring all of that for his own well-being, for his own selfish reasons. So there's no world in which that you're going to put this up and say, you know, love happens. Weird shit happens sometimes. You can't control it. It's like you need to control it when it's laid out on a platter like this of why it's such a horrible idea. There's so many factors as to why they should have been adults and walked away from this thing. there is nothing you can say to me that will defend them being together.

There's just too much. It's too layered. It's too disrespectful. It's taking people's feelings and literally just wiping your ass with them and saying, I don't actually give a fuck. But when I'm on camera, I'm going to play like the nice guy and make you feel for me what I want you to think I feel for you. But at the same time, I'm sitting here having this very emotional conversation,

finally getting coffee with Sierra. He's opening up and having this dialogue with her that she's been holding in for years. Meanwhile, you're trying to fuck Amanda. Like, what? No, there is nothing you can say to me that I'm going to be like, we'll lighten up. No, we're not there.

We're not there yet. No. And look, if you want to play devil's advocate and say, what if we found out later that they had hooked up in February and all of this thing was going on, like it would be a lot. less for sure i think that the fact that now you're trying to run the narrative that you guys

just kind of found love in a very weird place it's the weirdest possible place that you could have found it but continuing it is crazy and to go back to rhode island the ongoing is the ongoing i mean let's let's talk about the ongoings i mean nobody wants anything that has to do with an ongoing relationship with the two of them so i just don't understand why they're carrying it out when you know it's got a fucking time limit and look i mean if you want to be in it just to prove a point you guys want to end up getting engaged and married, go for it. Just don't do it on reality TV. You guys have lost that spot.

Yeah, they need to. If they're like, that's where I'm at with it. If I get where you're coming from, any sensible person would be like, oh, yeah, end it now. End it immediately and walk away, especially Amanda. Look at the track record. Look at when you guys were apparently serious and what he was doing. Like, for your own well-being, fucking run. But for the both of them, like, this is a terrible.

idea. There's no way in hell this goes the distance unless you force it to to prove a point, like you said, which would arguably be the funniest outcome for me is if they're like, we have to take this to distance and they're both just fucking miserable, but they're stuck together to prove a point. Like, that's kind of ideal in this in this world we're now living in. Yeah, honestly. And look, it's only going to get worse. The question that I have is, I mean, they definitely pushed off the reunion a little bit further to try to get all the, their ducks in a row. They even said in this episode,

like it's the second to last weekend. You only have probably three episodes left. You're not really living yourself a whole lot of room here to get that reunion edited in time. But, you know, if anybody can do it, it's the Bravo producers. It's the Bravo editing room.

We know that they're editing these episodes in real time. One thing I will address before we even get into the episode, you watched it live last night, right? Doug, the fucking technical difficulties. Yeah, what happened? Because I watched Peacock this morning and it was completely fine.

But I saw the TikTok last night saying there were technical difficulties in the first conversation between West and Sierra that just kind of like blacked out and then popped over. And it was scenes from the next commercial break where you've got Amanda in West, which I think arguably is fucking hilarious. But for everybody who didn't get to see that and then didn't watch Peacock this morning, we'll get into that conversation. The little bits and pieces towards the end of the West Sierra conversation that you missed because I'm sure you probably went back and rewatch just to make sure you're in this thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a lot. It's more of the same argument. But yeah, but it was, it was very funny. Very suspect. It's like, wait a minute. What's going on here? I was nervous the second combo was going to be like that. I'm like, all right, this is collusion. God damn it. We can't trust anybody.

But yeah, let's let's dive in. And we start out with Amanda West and Sierra or sorry, Amanda Sierra and Mia. And this stuff, I guess the little things now that are. really, really getting under my skin where it's like, obviously Sierra is reeling from West being an asshole with that random chick. And I can't stand Amanda's little one-offs like, West is so fucking stupid. I'm like, are you saying because of Sierra or because of yourself? Like, I don't know who you're speaking for right now. This episode makes it pretty clear to me that she's speaking from her own perspective. Yeah. But like even if she isn't, even if she's speaking for Sierra, it makes what she does a few months later even worse.

So now you saw in real time what West can do to somebody that he claims to have loved, that he still has a ton of feelings for. And you're taking, it looks for face value, you're taking Sierra side and saying, wow, I can't believe that West did that. Like,

why would he do that to you? And then you still carried on with your own emotional, well, he would never do that to be with him later. Like, what the fuck? Now, yeah,

I'm way more in the camp of your side where I think, and we're starting to see that too. And Kyle even says in this episode, like, I've got a real problem. because I finally feel like myself and Amanda's not here. I think Amanda probably feels that sort of way in probably

a much different scenario. But yeah, I mean, she's probably sitting there like, hey, this marriage is over and looking at all the other guys who are being nice to her and flirting with her. And I bet you West, probably in the, I guess the course of the summer, was flirting a little bit and being a nice guy to her. And she's like, wow, I could be with somebody like West.

I don't have, which is fucking hilarious, by the way, because West is a younger version of Kyle. But I could be with somebody like West and he's showing me all this attention that Kyle wasn't really showing me. Wow, maybe I should do something like that. So she probably is having that sort of emotional and physical affair in her own brain, even if it's not actually happening right there. Yeah, but ludicrous.

I mean, just outrageous to even have those thoughts. Like she's literally sitting there. And I do believe she's speaking from her own experience, not talking about Sierra. I think she's saying, like, he's such a fucking idiot. Why would he do this to me, Amanda? Yep. But this goes back to like just the weird logic that comes along with fuckboys. We watched it in Southern Hospitality recently with Jordan and Justin.

You get you get these people that they're like, I'll be the one to change him. He wouldn't do that to me. It's like based on what, based on everything we've seen, he's definitely going to do that to you because he has a track record. He's got patterns. Well, one very, very shining bright spot in this season has been Mia. I think that she is one of the realest, most authentic and nicest people that we've had on reality TV in a very long time. And she's talking about, because we're in the next morning, they obviously went to Kyle's set at Common Ground, but not a whole lot happens. We just get the videos, which is still like, and I'm looking into everything.

So like seeing Amanda front and center bopping around while Kyle's doing a DJ thing. I'm like, you're fucking full of shit. Like everything you do is fake. But we get to Mia waking up in the morning and she's having these recurring dreams about her parents. This is important because a lot of her storyline has been, she's kind of stuck. And I think that we do, at least we all, I think, have seen why it seems like the Scott thing is kind of a sticking point. But it looks like it kind of took this episode for her to get there, which is kind of interesting to watch. But her big sentiment is my mom wanted me to live.

Like she wants me to enjoy and live my life. And I'm not doing that right now. And I feel stuck. And I think that these dreams are a reminder from my mom to say, like, hey, let's get moving, lady. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, yeah, they absolutely are. And again, Mia actually kind of breaks the fourth wall in this episode in one of her confessionals. She's like, hey, I know you guys didn't sign up for this.

I love that. You didn't sign up for this kind of conversation. We've actually had that conversation before. We're like, yeah, sometimes we don't really need to be privy to those things, not talking about what Mia is talking about. Like, Mia is talking about something that is very raw, very real and some actual emotions that she's going through, which is what we want. We actually want to know where your psyche is. We want to know how you're feeling about certain things.

So she is wrong about that. We do want to know those things. But I love that she has that kind of wear with all that sort of self-awareness. Like, hey, I know that I'm getting a little deep right now, but I'm going through it. And what am I supposed to do? I'm going to a confessional.

I'm living my life. Like the timing doesn't work out great because this is my first season and I just want to have fun. But I'm going through a lot of things. So I'm going to share it with you guys. Like that is actually what we want, especially from people that we like like, like me yeah sometimes we get people that we absolutely don't like and uh you get somebody like west for example who's going to be introspective in a confessioner and we're like fuck you you're

full of shit that's not going to happen with you me don't worry about that we actually appreciate what you're going through here and sharing that story is great because that that is a there's nothing you can do it's an organic storyline like you're actually going through this right now we get to meet scott for the first time this next weekend so we're really kind of piecing everything together for what you're going through and trying to understand where you are in your life right now so sharing as much as possible, even if it's dreams that you have going on right now with your parents. That's great. We want to know that.

Yeah. Obviously, we saw Scott at that one party, but you're right. This is the first time you really can kind of get a feel for their dynamic, how he fits into her life or I would say doesn't fit into her life is becoming a little bit more apparent. But I agree. I think that we enjoy diving deeper with people we care about. So like if you have authenticity, then we want to listen to you at a confessional talk about your feelings. If you are inauthentic, like West, we don't care because you're blowing smoke up our ass, and we don't appreciate that.

I don't like smoking my butt. Don't know how you feel, but anyway. It's not the worst. Boofing a sick. Hell yeah, brother. Okay. Oh, boofing a hookah. God.

Anyway, Carl and Bailey, I will always point out, are just, they're so fucking cute because it's such like, what's the word it's so innocent the flirting is so innocent it's like i'm a great fly killer well that's a great quality in a man i'm like you guys are great keep this up you guys are absolutely perfect for each other i don't need to see anymore just get buried please courthouse marriage is and show us show it we need to see it that date will live forever in my head court house marriage and the courthouse marriage with the only witness being lindsay perfect yes i have no notes on that no lindsay officiates. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There we go. Well, he would probably, I wonder if he would ask Kyle to officiate instead of being the flower boy. Oh, probably. He is the witness. Lindsay's the flower girl. Now we're, now we're really getting in this. We're figuring this whole thing out.

But do that, just do that. And have a whole episode dedicated to it. Please, we would love that. Put in their own show while you're at it. We still haven't seen the first. That's what I'm saying. I need that footage. You guys robbed us. Oh, you know, it's funny.

So I got a email today from Peacock and it said unlock your exclusive Bravo and it has nothing to do with us having a podcast. It's just because I watch so much Bravo and Peacock. So I'm like an exclusive fan or whatever. And it said that you can insert comments. So I signed up for it in the first comment. Show me Lindsay or show me Bailey and Carl State right now. I need a full thing on that. Hell yeah.

All right. We're getting into the good stuff. Yeah. All right. Cool. Because I've just been doing what we usually do and, you know, tagging random people and emails like, at Peacock, producer at Peacock.com. I have yet to get a response.

So I'll keep you posted. But Dara has worked herself into this group in a very good way as well. I told you early on I was skeptical of Dara. She has 100% grown on me. I think she's a great addition to this cast. And I think it's hard for new people in this group to work their way into the group.

Dara has done it exceptionally well because she was outgoing, but not over the top. She seemed genuine. She's had some tough convoes that could have really went south. Her entire standing in the house could have been fucked by that Bailey conversation at Lindsay's. But it didn't go that way. That's actually the moment. I was like, okay, she seems like a genuine person. Like I ride with Dara.

That's cool. So her and KJ are obviously getting more serious. We know they're still together now. So it's also been really. in a house where we've seen so much toxicity and bad relationships and all of that to watch a good relationship kind of blossom. But seeing the conversations that are necessary in those relationships, like acknowledging that it's fast, but having the real heart to hearts to make sure they're both in the same

page, listening to other people, talking to your friends about it, and taking what they're saying into consideration to make yours. Like, this is a very mature relationship. seems like a nice relationship and I'm rooting for Karen Kara and DeJ Wow I like that

I'm going to nitpick a little bit though I think that they're perfect I think they're great I think they are doing everything that you just kind of laid out the reactions from everybody else when we find out that their boyfriend and girlfriend I don't need that

I agree I feel especially Mia and I love Mia I think you are kind of dumping your own personal I think you're projecting a little bit. Are you sure? You're a lot younger than she is. Are you sure that you guys are aligned? Whoa.

What do you mean aligned? Are you and Scott aligned? Is that what we're getting into right now? We don't have to do that. Leave them alone. It seems like they're in love. They're still together. They still love each other very much.

So I'm completely fine with that. I don't need the peanut gallery getting involved. If it works out, it works out great. But I don't want to see the overseers of relationship. I know you're being protective. And I know that me and Sierra do see themselves as his older sisters. so I understand where that's coming from, but let them live.

Let them live in love. That's what I want to say. I agree with you. It's different than other times that we've seen that. Not in the sentiment, which I totally get where you're coming from, like let him live. But you can tell that both Mia and Sierra,

like it genuinely is like, hey, we love you and want to make sure you're good, like the big sister mentality. So that part of it, like, is genuine and it was nice. I totally agree with you, though, where it's like, yeah, that it feels ever so slightly a little projectee. Yeah, it was just a little bit specifically just what Mia said aligned. Make sure your interests and your goals and your futures are aligned.

I'm like, uh, you're talking to yourself. You're talking to yourself right now, not KJ. Which is okay. There's actually, if she needs that to work it out. Some people have actually slipped through the cracks and, uh, aren't talking about West and Amanda are actually focused on KJ's comments and saying, hey, man, you've got nothing to do with this, why would you get a text? They're not even defending West.

Maybe you should stop worrying about text messages or apologies that you should be getting from West and start focusing on what Darrow was doing in Ben's room for that long. I'm like, we're still on this. I thought we all agreed to just move on. I thought we all agreed who gives a fuck. They weren't dating. It doesn't matter. It's not like she cheated on.

Who gives a shit? They've moved on. We should move on. Let's not do that right now. So to see some people slip through the cracks of not just talking about Amanda and West. and throwing in a little bit of Sierra and whatever my Kyle I guess what might be going on. No, we should have nobody should have any smoke left after those to go after KJ. What are we doing here?

Yeah, not to mention West brought KJ on the show. They were very close and he's finding out in real time that his good friends are big piece of shit. He's allowed to have an opinion. So whoever's saying that, we don't care if her men could have banged. I don't care. They weren't dating. My only big problem with all of this is that everybody's doing shit on threads. Like KJ and Kyle are having comments on.

Yeah, big threads. What the fuck's going on? Go to Twitter. Threads isn't a thing. I guess Twitter is not really a thing either. No, Twitter is either. Maybe Summerhouse is maybe threads paid the cast of Summerhouse. Like, hey, we really need threads to do better than it's doing.

Like, can you guys just take all the drama over there? It could be that. I wouldn't be surprised. But paid by mail to have beef on threads. I think we have the threads. I've never once used it. It auto post over there. Oh, does it?

Okay. Yeah, that's useful to know. Didn't realize that. But yeah, I'm not, I'm not downloading that shit. I'm good on social media. I've got enough. Yeah, agreed. Agreed.

But as they're discussing Karen DeJ, I'm going to keep calling that forever. This is where you're starting to see some of the editing that they went back. Because it's like there's a very specific line. Darrow's like, yeah, you know, it was so nice. they said to be like, thanks for forging a relationship and not making it everyone else's problem. I'm like, thank you producing for putting that back in. That would be much.

See, I appreciate that even more than just the production value of talking about Amanda and West. Also, we talked about it before. I mean, there were certain seasons of Summerhouse that are just purely unwatched. Maybe they're a little bit more watchable now, but they were unwatchable at the time because of exactly that. So to see a cast, which also sucks because Amanda and West did this

and kind of ruined everything. To see a cast finally come together and say, thank you for having, not that it's in her house because Dara's not even in the house yet, but she probably will be moving forward. I think she will be. To see them have that sort of awareness as a cast, like, hey, we've had a lot of messy relationships

ruined the flow of the house. Thanks for not doing that. I appreciate that. It was almost talking directly to me. Yeah, that's where my head went immediately, actually, which is kind of funny. I was like, shooters probably loving this moment right now. I really appreciate it.

Thank you. That's the funny part of watching Bravo when you have a Bravo podcast with your best friend is like I'm constantly watching also thinking of your perspective on everything. You and Dev. I'm like you, what are we getting into? For you, all I really think about is did steal cry?

The answer is if I even ask the question, usually yes. Yeah, I know. I used to never cry. Now I'm a big puddle. Thanks. Are we about to get to a scene in which you cried?

because there's a seat in this episode where you probably cried. We'll not confirm nor deny until we get there. But anyway, Dera, Mia, Sierra, and KJ briefly are sitting in their room talking about West and the remainder of the evening. And he proceeded to get blackout drunk. And Dara's like, all he could talk about was you. Like everything he said was Sierra-centric. And we get a great confessional from Sierra where she's like, she really opened up this episode. And I really appreciated that.

And I don't know if production went back and put some of the stuff in. I would imagine it was in there originally. But she's talking about like, I wish I could go and just dive head first into this thing. Like I don't hate the guy. But I'm scared to put myself out there. I fucking breaks my heart watching these now. She literally says, I don't want to put myself out there and get bamboozled again. It's like, oh, God damn it.

But you know what I do love? I love the fact that Dara, who is also brought in by West, goes, oh, I agree. Fuck him. He needs to tighten it up. like hell yeah yeah i i really appreciate his interjection on that but the one thing and i'm still trying my hardest to just watch this for the season it is and not think about current events i would have loved it if they in this moment and at the end of the episode because i think it's going to be a real problem moving forward to the end of the season which is going to be very uncomfortable

with us define boundaries do that please for the love of god sierra protect yourself like that's all I was thinking in this moment when she's talking about it in her confessional. I'm like, I know when you say you want to dive head first, my first instinct is to what? What do you want to dive head first into? You need to figure that out because it's going to be a problem. And it looks like scenes from next week and probably until the end of the season, that is going to be a problem for the rest of the house. They're like, what's going on?

Like I, you guys weren't cool. You were cool. Like, is this one of those situations where you guys had a huge hiccup that forced you to talk, which is probably good. again, I got to wonder what we'd be watching if we didn't know what was going on currently, if we would still feel the same way. But you got to figure out what does that mean? Are you guys diving head first into friendship or diving head first into seeing if something works out

because there's still some unresolved feelings there? Mostly, I just want Sierra to protect yourself if I'm watching it again, trying to go back in time to watch it in real time versus what I'm watching right now. Yeah, and I think that's fair. I think how I look at it is a little different. different because there's a lot of discussion on socials, on, you know, podcasts, whatever, about that exact thing. Like, you know, defining what she misses, defining what she wants to get back into. To me, it's implied. I think that we know what the friendship would potentially lead to.

And I think that it's an easy cop out for West in confessionals to be like, well, she didn't define. I don't know. Like, yeah, you do. You know, I think we all kind of do. Like we know the trajectory it would probably take. Is it 100% confirmed? No. And I agree with you.

It would do Sierra a lot of favors to be able to define those boundaries just to protect herself a bit more. But at the same time, I think it's naive and kind of ignorant for us to sit here and go, but we don't really know where they were. Yeah, we do. It was going to get back to probably a romantic place. And I think that it's easy now in hindsight for West to be like, well, she never let, like, what, do you want to be friends?

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So, yeah, that's kind of where I see it. Let's get to Brecky, a little breakfast with everybody, and, you know, I love Kyle fishing for compliments. He's like, God, I've won my best. And I guess he fucked up some transitions from song to song. I looked at a man every time I was like, oops, which is kind of fun. Yeah, that is pretty funny. I mean, look, kudos to him. He was able to go to a whole long-ass day party that they had.

It was the Vegas party, right? I always get confused when they overlap. I think it was the Vegas party, the Jesse throw. He was able to sit in an all-day party and then still go to Common Grounds, which probably, you know, based on what we know earlier in the season, didn't start until 11 p.m. So if he didn't make any mistakes, he might be the best DJ ever. If he made a couple of mistakes, nobody ever really notices. Everybody's drunk for those crowds anyway.

Yeah, exactly. So you're probably good, dude. But we get our first convo with West and Sierra. And he immediately goes, I apologize for being a shitty friend. I don't feel good at all. I'm personally bummed. I feel like on a friendship level, things were okay. I hope I didn't fuck up whatever was built.

Oh, blah, blah, da, da, da, da. Sierra's response breaks by heart again because we know where we end up after all of this. And she goes, this is why I didn't want to. be friends to begin with. I want you to live your life and do whatever. It's best if we're just not friends. So she does in this moment try. I didn't have a lot of faith in it, but she tried to draw a boundary. There's just too much there. And, you know, I think West manipulates the situation, clearly not because he cared about Sierra. He doesn't like when people don't like him. Correct. So that's why we get the second conversation later because he needs her to be okay.

with him not for their future, but because he doesn't like that feeling. So he's being selfish in that as well. I would love clarification on what he was talking about when he was hammered at the club because we do find out later that he was like blackout. He was belligerent. He was all over the place. He had to be helped around. And all he was doing was talking about Sierra.

In what context was he talking about Sierra? Was it a continuance of what bullshit he was spewing during the day, which that was his frustration boiling over. I don't have an opinion on it one way or another. his frustration boiled over and he essentially pushed the issue. He was drunk, said, fuck it. I don't care. I need to live my life.

That is where he wants to be. He doesn't really care if he gets back with Sierra. He wants freedom again. So he wanted to push the boundaries to see what happens. Everybody freaked out at him. We saw what he really feels in that moment when he says, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to just like not show up? Am I supposed to do this?

We saw two seasons ago. He was not going. He was going to someone else's house so we could hook up with people. and then come back the next morning because he was afraid of doing it in the summer house. And he says, I spent two seasons doing that where I don't really know what's going on. So this apology is just, oh, fuck, I tried to push the boundaries. I tried to tell people how I really feel. They reacted so negatively.

I can't let that happen. I need to protect my image. So let me go hat in hand, go to Sierra, apologize, say that I feel shitty about it. I don't even think he feels shitty about it. I don't either. That's the worst part. He doesn't feel shitty for what he did to Sierra. he feels shitty because people reacted so negatively to him living his life, quote, living his life.

Again, you could have done it a little more discreetly. If he went elsewhere and yeah, he was leading Sierra on once again with all the feelings. But in his brain, maybe he wasn't. If you tried to be a little discreet, if you tried to do what Jesse did the weekend prior and going upstairs to the bedroom, going into the bathroom, maybe get a little smooch here and there and then coming back down and somebody found out and told Sierra, you could be like, what the fuck I tried to be discreet about it why are you guys ratting on me that would have been incredibly fine I would have been fine with that but instead you did it right next to her and then when people wigged out you came over and you're like oh I'm really sorry I feel really shitty

you feel shitty because people are upset at you once again for doing that that's the only reason you feel shitty you tried you failed miserably you crashed and burned and now you want to try to get back to even growl yep exactly like it's not rocket science it's selfish and it's it's disrespectful again to Sierra who's opened up again to you like she shouldn't have and you know that's a Sierra thing but at the same time like there's clearly more between these two or Sierra has more feelings for him than she said this is not Austin and their little fling right like it's not the dudes that she's been with in the past like this had a lot more weight and clearly affected her a lot more so West took advantage of that because he knew he could he knew he could weasel his way back in there

and get her to be okay with them. And if you need proof of that, if you're like really not buying into it, I don't know why you wouldn't be, he was going to her apartment two weeks before the news dropped. Why? Because you didn't tell her what was going on. She had inklings already in that moment,

by the way. She had been thinking the same thing since February because her and Jesse would talk about it. But you went over there again. Why? To try to clear the air, probably to put more shit into her head, to try to make yourself feel better.

That you didn't like you're trying to make yourself not feel like you're a piece of shit. This is all self-indulgent bullshit. I want to, and we'll probably find out, again, Sierra has not spoken on the topic whatsoever. If we find out at the reunion that we find out from Jesse, because we talked to Jesse last night and watch Robin's Live, he said, you know,

Sierra and I kind of had some indication that this was going on. That was in February. So if that early March, or late March, rather, was when he was talking to Sierra, was he going over to her apartment to tell her, hey, there's nothing going on with me and Amanda? Probably. I'm sure that's exactly what happened. So we'll find out at the reunion. And it's just, it's killing me to get to, like, we have to go through hell to get to this reunion.

And even then, it's not going to be enough. Like, we're going to need long, long episodes and they're just going to have to dig into everything. And even then we won't know anything because they're probably still lying about shit. So I have no faith that the timeline is going to get disrupted. I'm sure people are going to go off and get all their feelings out. Aside from that, we're not going to get any more confirmation. Agreed, which is frustrating. But I mean, I am curious to see how they try to do the reunion.

It's going to be chaos. But moving on, we get Sierra, Mia, and Nick. Nick is Mia's brother. And they're obviously very close. He lives like three blocks away. She's tried to convince him to move into her building with his girlfriend. thingies crossed. We'll see what happens.

But with everything going on with these recurring dreams, Sierra asked if she wanted to talk to a medium. I guess Sierra went to a medium down in Costa Rica after her grandmother passed away. And Mia agree. She's like, I've got a bunch of unresolved issues. And we're going to have a good convo about medium here a sec. But I have no interest in talking about my feelings on mediums. No, we're going to do it.

And that's why. That's exactly why we're going to do it. Well, I don't want to take away from how Mia feels. So I'm not going to be doing it. my opinion. I don't either, but that's where I get curious about things. But before we get in there, what makes you so curious what makes you so curious in me. But anyway, we find out what happened to her mom and she got pneumonia, but she also had an autoimmune disease that amplified everything. And unfortunately, she passed away from complications. It was very sudden. And there's a lot of unresolved

feelings that Mia has. So she goes to talk to this medium. and the media makes contact with her grandmother originally, and then it seems like she's talking to her mom. And she says a lot of very personal things. You know, like, you need to know, I'm okay. I keep coming to you in your dreams. I don't know if you have a snippet of that, or you're going to see her in your dream soon.

She's talking about, like, that she can breathe, and she feels great, everything, blah, blah, blah. It's a nice scene. And it gives, like, the most important takeaway, always when we do mediums on these shows, for me is what the person going through it, takes away from it. That's the important thing. This seemed like closure for Mia. It seemed like she got the answer that she wanted. And if you look at what was said, like, yeah, it's very specific.

So maybe, like in my head, you know, obviously I go, did Sierra tell her that, that Mia was dreaming about her parents? Like, did she use that? I don't know. And like you said, out of respect for Mia, like we're not going to dive deep into it if the medium was legit or not. Because at the end of the day, Mia got what she needed. It was a nice scene. She seems to get some closure. Nick seems to get some closure and that's all we can ask for. Correct. That's all we can ask for is that Mia feels better. And I think that's what she needed, honestly. She needed a little bit more confirmation.

And a lot of times I feel like people go to mediums because they're having those situations going on. Like she's dreaming about her mom. Is my mom coming to me in my dreams? Like let me go try to figure out through like somebody who's supernatural to try to explain some of this. So try to make some sense out of why this is going on is probably the best way to put it.

And she got that. She got that clarity. She got that sort of confidence that what's going on is exactly what it is. And a lot of times that's really what you want. You just want somebody else to kind of put it into words, give some validity to what you're going through, whether that's a psychiatrist, whether that's a medium, whatever it could be, a life coach. Life coach. Yeah.

Whatever I knew we were going there. Whatever it might be, whatever or whoever gives you that sort of confidence that you're looking for it. And then you can kind of take that to the next level. Good. Go for it. That's incredible. that's all I'm going to say about Yep, that's all we need to say, you're right

So let's go to the dog adoption thing West volunteers for this This thing because he has dogs at home He doesn't want a dog in New York, whatever, I don't care Kyle and Amanda arrived Bullshit by the way I know I'm nitpicking but that's fucking bullshit I got a what you can I've got an apartment in New York

That's not a good place for a dog you can get an apartment dog Like they're okay they go look at fucking Kyle and Amanda They walk their dogs all the time they have shared custody of their damn dogs. Go over to L.A. We got Schwartz and Katie who still have shared custody of their dogs. And they live in small apartments. So enough of that.

But whatever. Yep, agreed. But, oh, dude, the hug. Just the fucking hug. And the zoom in with the camera from Amanda and West. And they're talking like, how is your week? And, you know, Kyle's getting everybody a drink. And that feels slimy that he's going to get the drinks while they're doing their weird shit.

But this conversation is 1,000 million percent, Amanda talking about how she felt about West doing his shenanigans. This has nothing to do with Sierra because when she starts off, do you remember me getting upset? I figured your next line was going to be like, oh, yeah, I felt really bad for Sierra. No, what upset me the most is that you've been such. a good friend to me for so long and you defended me against Kyle to watch you disrespect Sierra in that way puts this weird dynamic in place. The weird dynamic that she is referring to is if you're going to do that to Sierra, are you going to do that to me?

Because you kind of did do that to me too. Ew. Ew. Ew. And then the rumors that you guys are super flirty when you go out at night, I'm like, you're fucking jealous and you're saying it on screen, you psycho. Yeah, this was bizarre. I mean, I don't even know how this is such a very clear-cut issue.

If you're just a friend of Cierras and you're a friend of West, we've seen this conversation. You're kind of treating her friendship like shit. You're kind of treating her like shit. I need to just put you in your place, tell you how everybody feels. Amanda made it about herself. And that's wild. To even use the word I in this conversation. Or we even.

We, me. any of those words make no sense. This isn't about you. This has nothing to do with you. You could say, we had to go upstairs and console Sierra afterwards because of your actions. That would be fine. That would be totally fine as a friend and as somebody who's in the house.

We've seen Lindsay masterfully handle this type of conversation before. And it's always you fucked up. I'm friends with you, but right now I fucking hate you. That's where it goes. That's exactly where the conversation should go and it should always be like that. once you start making it about yourself and you're like now i'm wondering what's going on like what else you're like no what does this have to do with you lady this has nothing to do with you i

don't get it and the we're weirder fact again you know we're still putting our detective hats on the fact that amanda is saying all of this and west is still responding in a way of like you know i just i got to get my head around these feelings like no you should be talking about sierra you shouldn't be talking about how it makes anybody else feel it should just only be about Sierra. Why are you worried about how everybody else in the house feels? Again, two parts. One, Amanda, two, you're still worried about your own public image with the rest of the house. That's all you're really ever concerned about. Yep, exactly. I mean, that's it. The whole scene felt slimy. Kyle comes back out, hands in a beer. And then he goes back in. I'm like,

oh, no, please stay. Like, break up whatever's happening here. We need a chaperone for whatever's happening here. They're about to kiss, like on the street. I don't give a fuck. Like, oh. They're probably holding hands while talking to and they just didn't have footage of it gross gross gross gross well let's go back to the hamptons scott makes his first debut into the summer house we don't really get a lot out of him you know i don't really have an opinion one way or the other but in the dude's car they got a little you know a bit of a boo-boo last week the whole thing i just everything takes a different like angle now because like what he's talking about in the car you know it adds a layer to everything and i think that's partly why kj is probably so upset is because of conversations like this

it's like you had the balls and the nerve to like sit down and have a heart to heart with me about certain things or like sit there and allow me to give you advice on what i think about the situation and meanwhile you're steamrolling everything in the house because you don't actually care like it's so disrespectful and I think that's a underlying part of all of this with the friendships in the house. It's not just, I mean, it's mainly about Sierra. Do not get

me wrong, like Team Sierra all the way. But the residual trickle down effect is the complete utter disrespect for everybody in the house. You're friends. You're just shitting on trust, on friendship, you name it.

Like this whole thing, I think that's where I get heated when I'm talking. about is because there's so much more to just two people that weren't supposed to fall in love, hell in love. Like that's not what happened. You guys burned down an entire house full of people so that you could get your rocks off is all I think is happening.

But I just yucky, dude. I feel yucky watching the show. I mean, even Ben, like when you see the clip over and over and over again, Ben's first instinct is like, dude, are you fucking rookie? Like, have some class. You have like, act like this isn't your first time going through something like this, you know, I don't think a lot of people have gone through it. But Ben is new there.

Ben doesn't know what the hell is going on. And he's still like, dude, what are you doing? You're going to disrupt the whole house with all of this, much like you did before. And it's going to be an absolute nightmare. And he's a dud and he knows that. Things through. Yeah, I know. At least think things through.

Like, what are we doing here? Well, we got acknowledgement that Kara and DeJ, my two faves, are dating, officially, boyfriend and girlfriend. And I think Dara actually says it the best. because they're like, don't you, and this should have been the end of this conversation. I'd get them checking in with KJ, and it's not really that big of a deal, guys. We're not like,

they should have done that. It's just, in retrospect, that's all because Dara's like, you know, we kind of both know what we want, feels right to full send it. I hope it don't eat my words.

It's like, good enough for me. Cool. Like, good for me. You're adults. That's fine. But we get to the house.

Ah, man is not there. She's not coming. Why? Ah, she's on the struggle bus a little bit. No, no. Do you know what I think it is? Me and Deb talked about it last night.

I think this is payback. I think this is her giving it to West. Like, yeah, you're going to fuck around. I'm not coming to the house this weekend. I think it's more like I'm uncomfortable because I don't want to be around while you're apologizing to Sierra. You should go apologize to Sierra. So it's almost like Amanda's conflicted.

She wants to be a good friend to Sierra. So she's telling West, hey, go make things right with her. But also, I don't want to be around for that because it's too emotional. and I've got conflicted feelings about that because I want to help you out. But also, I can't be seen helping you out. That's a good one. And it's all under the guise of me and Kyle are falling apart. So it's almost like this situation has, yeah, I know.

It's almost like Amanda, this whole situation has just convinced her like, wow, I mean, I can't really make a move for West. I can't be seen comforting him unless we're dating. And I can't be dating him unless Kyle and I are done. Let me accelerate this timeline. I'm not coming to the house this weekend. I'm going to let Kyle know that we are. really in trouble. We need to get separated and divorce. They're already separated. Don't

fuck with me. But yeah, it's whatever. I was happy that she wasn't there because I don't want any more in any key scenes with Amanda. But at the same time when she's explaining this and when Kyle's explaining it, I'm like, nah, no, no. That's not. No, because if you said this three weeks ago, four weeks, sure. Yeah. Kyle's a wreck. Kyle's, Kyle's a mess, whatever. Not now. You guys have been good. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like you've been, She goes with the, you know, I've been joyful, happy Amanda. I'm like, I've had to grit and bear and put on a face all summer. I'm like, you haven't had to put on a face the last couple of weeks.

You guys have been cool. And the only reason I know that is because Kyle's telling us in the confessionals. And for better or worse, Kyle tells us where you guys are at. Like, he doesn't lie. He'll tell us flat out. Like, yeah, really bad place right now, probably not going to make it through. Don't know what the fuck I'm doing. So when he says, things have been pretty good.

I'm like, I bet they have. They probably have been pretty good. They have been pretty good. The other part is like, we heard you guys agree to couples therapy and no one has said anything about going to couples. No. So you guys haven't gone yet. And my best guess is you're still separated and have not been together this week. And Kyle is saying, hey, we've been a lot better.

Maybe you come over and stay over this week. And Amanda's just thinking about West, thinking about being single, whatever she might be thinking about. She's like, nah, I can't give in now. I'm all in on getting out of this fucking marriage, which again, good. I don't think the marriage works. I don't want that to get lost in all the sauce. You guys should not be married. I agree with that.

But the conflicting feelings about what's going on with West and Sierra and you're not wanting to be there. Of course, we're going to ask questions about that. Yeah, no shit. But this is where we get the scene of KJ, Sierra and Mia talking about their relationship, they're in KJ's relationship. And again, it's not that serious. You know, they're just being big sisters. It's actually very touching that they care so much for KJ.

and you can actually feel that through the screen. But you can't sit there and tell me there wasn't a little projection. A little bit, a little bit. Yeah. Amanda calls Sierra. Sorry, Sierra calls Amanda. Like, hey, you're really not coming this weekend. I'm in a house full of dudes.

Like, where are you at? This is where you get the Kyle's been a lot this summer. I'm overwhelmed and tired of putting on a face. To which I asked, putting on a face for who? Is it getting exhausting putting on a face for Kyle? Or is it getting exhausting putting on a face for Sierra? and West because that, especially what you said a couple minutes ago, that I bet that is exhausting, pretending that you care about Sierra, pretending that you don't want to bang West, pretending

that you are trying to fix your marriage. I just thought about this now. What if she's trying to play both sides and thinking, ah, what if the conversation between West and Sierra goes sideways? And she says pretty much what she said to him last week, where we just need to be not friends and we just can't associate with each other. and then that causes West to go on a rampage and now he's out of the bar

and he doesn't give a fuck anymore and he's flirt with other girls and hook it up with other girls she can't be subject to that again I just can't see it or else I'm going to have to show my ass again that's a good point too there's too many layers

there's a lot of things and it gets look I know Amanda keeps talking about her mental health and everything I imagine that she is a bit of an overthinker so she probably did think about all those situations that could have arisen yeah I agree And the only thing that can make it worse is West coming into the room while they're FaceTiming.

Yeah. And being like, hey, I don't feel better. Whole week and I'm still bummed. Good. Fuck you. Get away. Like, this is what I was talking about earlier. This is him being like, I feel bad still.

I don't like feeling bad. Make me feel not bad anymore. Not because I care about you. I don't like feeling bad. That's all this is. Number one goal from all of these, the shitty apology from the week before, this shitty apology. Number one goal, even the last apology that we see at the end of the end of the end of the end of end of the episode is to try and hope that she agrees to not be pissed at him,

to not make things weird, to just be friends and he can move on with his life and just be free. That's all he wants. That's all he's ever wanted since day one. He has those weird things. And every time that he gets hammered, he's flirting with her. When Jesse steps in and he's like, hey, maybe I, Sierra and I might make out this weekend. How do you feel about that? Not good.

Because that's still, he's got that, like, atypical. I still want the option to be able to go back to Sierra. If I want to. He wants the feeling of quote unquote ownership. That's how people like that. And also I want to be able to do my own thing. Like I need to have my cake and I need to eat it too. Like that's exactly what I want at all times.

You can't infringe on any of that. That's his perfect world. His perfect world is being able to use Sierra as an option when he wants to, when he's feeling that way and also have the option to go hook up with girls in Chicago when he's at St. Patty's Day parade to go hook up with girls and take them out on Valentine's dates. Maybe some Bravo Leopardy pops up and he can go on out on the date. with her. Sorry, Mia.

But those are the types of things that pop up. Yes. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Sally's always an option. It doesn't matter where you are. But if you put the list together, like, it tells you who this guy is. Like, it's not, it's not even that hard to figure it out.

It just sucks that Sierra had to catch a stray because of it. But this is when you get the setup for the more emotional scene because Sierra's like, I don't hate him, but it's really hard to keep up the front that I do. and she's very logical in her approach. She's like, I've built up stories in my head about who he is or what he's done, and I'm sure he's done the same. It's time. We need to sit down and talk and just put it all out there, which in normal life,

yes, you're right. Like this would have been the correct move. Unfortunately, you're talking to a scumbag. So it's not going to go very well. But she's like, hey, can we get coffee tomorrow? West, like, yeah, let's do it. And before we get to that scene, the last little bit from, Scott and Mia as Mia's sitting there in bed with them she goes to confessional and I think she's

putting the pieces together she's like I think all of this is happening right now because I'm stagnant because I'm stale mom wants me to keep moving if I look at my life what's the biggest hold up and it's Scott and I don't know they're really they could be really happy now it just doesn't work yeah this just strikes me as very very unfortunate timing because I do I honestly based on what we've seen the small little glimpses that we've seen at them together and the way me it talks about Scott they're in love they're they're perfectly in love it's just the hold up and look i don't blame scott like it sounds like he's building a fucking empire like he has new restaurants opening and and when he said and i know a lot of people are going to

really key in on that but when he said he can't wait to get back to miami he's in love with his career he's in love with his job and he's in love with me it both can be true yes maybe he takes a step back but it sounds like timing wise he's involved in so much shit to set himself up later If they find each other later, if they end up breaking up and we might find out, you know, I don't think that Mia really even got to touch on that. I don't watch off his live last week. But if we find out that, you know, they're taking a step back from their relationship, you know, maybe they find each other later.

That might be for the best because I do think that Scott, what he's doing right now is setting himself up for the future. And if he gets to that point where he has a lot more freedom and he has a lot more free time to have kids to do all those things that him and Mia want to do, that would be great if they still find each other back. But Mia's kind of stuck in that little situation where it's like, yeah, I love him, but I want to start these things now, and he can't start those things. So I don't know, for all intents of purposes, Scott strikes me as a great guy, but he is

a career-driven guy right now. And until that changes, this isn't really going to work. Yeah, I didn't see any red flags or anything. It just seems like not compatible in this current timeline. Although saying in a car, saying in a car that you're a real guy's guy is not the best way to do anything. That's fair. You're going to get food.

You are going to get food. And I knew what he met right away. he said he wanted to throw around the pigskin. It was sort of a guy's weekend. There were seven guys, the three girls, which, you know, I feel bad for the girls. But he's fine. I see no problem with him. I didn't have any issues either.

But let's get to the coffee date between these two. Oh, boy. And Sierra leads it off. She's like, you know, it's been two years of nothing being said, which is true. And she's like, I'm just afraid to be myself around you. I'm afraid to be nice to you because I'm afraid to be embarrassed. And last weekend, Kaysen, point dickhead like that's why it's exactly why you sat right next to me and you didn't even

see me and as we've heard from sierra her biggest issue with west is feeling unseen and you literally like the most literal possible way you could have made her feel unseen you did by making out with a chick right next door yep he goes on his apology to or he's like you know subject to you that is fucked up and if she brings up the the media and the press being the nail in the coffin because it kind of confirmed her biggest fears where it's like you're saying to everybody that you didn't feel the way that you felt about me and that we weren't as close as we were and she's like that was the closest i've ever felt to anybody in my whole life and hearing her talk about for the first time really like really opening up about how she felt about that relationship all of her thoughts and feelings

that went into it just fucking breaks your heart and like west is even like yeah well hearing you say that makes me feel very sad. It's like, what you fucking expect, dude? Like, you guys are clearly sharing these pleasantries back and forth while you're dating. And then you fucking threw a Molotov cocktail at it on a press tour that you didn't need to do. And I bet you were going to see something similar in the months after the reunion of him

trying to do damage control and saying things like he said in last week's episode where it's like, what am I supposed to do? Like taking that whole stance. It's like the more we learn about the nuances of their relationship, a couple of years ago, the more shitty he looks, not just now, but back then. It puts a whole different layer to this entire thing of like, wow, dude, you just don't care about other people at all. Now, and again, the fact, like, this was a conversation where you as West, you can actually

say how you feel and set your boundaries so that this doesn't happen again. But instead, you just set it up so that you can clatter again. And that's exactly what we talked about. And I hate the fact that he, when he's talking about all of it, like, Sierra's response was not ideal when he's talking about. She apologizes. I know. I broke my heart, but she's such a good person that she's like, I wasn't there for you when

you needed me. I was like, wow, wow. But like, just because you're not responding to his text messages doesn't mean that you go on a fucking press store and just burn her. Like, you shouldn't be back in this position. You shouldn't even have any, any ability to get back into her life. after what you did to her. She's nice enough to let you back in and you're going to do it the whole thing over again.

And when he said, you know, I guess as a result of all of this, like I do. I see you more. I see you now. What? Like you made out with the girl next to her and then felt bad about it because you got caught and people didn't like what you were doing. So now you see her again? No, you don't see her.

You're just saying you see her because that's, it's sort of like you're pressing somebody's only like she just opened up and showed like, hey, this is my trigger. Yep. And now you're using the trigger against her to get your own thing and to use it for self purposes. So that's fucked up. So this was less than ideal of a situation. I mean,

I don't know. I think both parties for Sierra, I think you need to make it clear. There's no moving forward. There's friends and that's it. And there's no romantic connection. But I think that she has such strong feelings towards them that it's tough to do that. It's possible.

And I like the conversation because obviously, yeah, things get exacerbated. when there's a TV show and they've got fans and you've got all these people. I don't care that West has like, you know, every time I look at my phone, I just see people talking about me and you and like it makes me make you know, a little bit like, yeah, stop doing shitty stuff. Like, yeah, you've been better like, but you've gotten all these opportunities now. Like you have all of this shit going on at your own job at Complex. You've got all this shit going on through Bravo, through NBC, where they're sending you out to the fucking Super Bowl to go do these things.

Like, just be happy with what's going on. we have a podcast and we get shit people commenting on us. Do we care? No. So why do you care so much? It's not that big of a fucking deal. You should be much deeper down. You should probably not been on the show anymore because Sarah is a bigger star than you are.

And you should be thankful for the fact that you still get to do these things. And yet here you are still feeling bad for yourself. So it was a less than ideal conversation that led to a hug and then her making a joke like, what about like Jesse? Like, why didn't you tell me not to do that? I felt so bad for this whole thing. I did too, bro. It was so gross to watch him.

He knows what he's doing. Like you said, that trigger word of scene, like I see you. He knows if he uses that because that's all she wants. So he says, I do see you now. You don't because you had your tongue down in other chick's throat right next to her. So you didn't see her. But you know if you're able to get that one in, and it lands,

she's going to move on finally. And he did, and she does. And like her saying, because I thought she was joking, but then the camera pans over, and she's, like, sobbing.

It's like, can we just be best friends again? I was like, oh, fuck you in the face, West, like, two times.

Like, Jesus. After this, you still did what you did after this? Like, fuck you, bro. Yeah.

You have ruined or you would try to ruin. I think she's going to rise like a motherfuckinx from the ashes. We're going to see an Ariana situation, which I love for her. But she didn't deserve to go through this for you. Like, who the fuck are you, dude? I hate it. I hate it. I think it's slimy.

I hope Sierra gets the full Ariana treatment. I hope that she is on Broadway or whatever the fuck she wants to do. I hope she's able to kill it. Host Love Island, whatever, just like she just, deserves everything. This was the not like I needed more reasons to not like West, but to do what you did after this shows me exactly who the fuck you are. Because you got this, it's the same cycle. He got back in the good graces. He gets false confidence. He does some fuck boy shit. That's what he did last year. That's what he did this

year. That's what he did multiple times this year because he's gotten away with it before. And now he's on camera and he's not getting away with this shit. And now we got him. We got a peg for who he actually is. So spare me the leave them alone. No. No, don't do this shit to other people. And then you can't act like, you know, a hurt puppy dog when you get the backlash.

Yep. Stuff. I'm sure we've got a million questions in here. So let's start tackling these bad boys. First one up here from Tina Scal. Do you think that Amanda and West are settling bribery? by proximity. I think Amanda definitely is. I think West already

knows what's going on and he's been through this before and girls are still throwing themselves at him. So I think he'll move on pretty quickly and that's going to be very messy but also funny and we don't really care. Why is Will Kulp always like the second person that looks at our shit? I don't know, man. That's Will

from Southern hospitality guys. He's always like the second person that I could give a shit about outing him. Let's see. We got a lot of comments about this, but from Leah Hall 90 is Jesse the number one guy in the group. Watch what happens live appearance was fantastic. I do think that Jesse had a really good appearance.

I didn't think he was going to say as much as he did, so I'm happy he did. He's not the number one guy. Carl is still the number one guy. A lot of people are like, he's not the number one guy. He's still a shitty. Most reality TV stars are shitty people.

It just is what it is, especially on the guy side. But no, it's okay. It's, you don't have to freak out about it. Yeah, no. It's all good. Yeah. Oh, wait a minute.

I love this. From Philangela, do you think West STD is, West TD? West TD, did this intentionally because he literally said he resents her. No, I actually don't think he did this intentionally.

I think he's just a fuck boy. And he did it again because he can get away with shit like this. And he knows he can't. Or no, he can't get away. He thinks he can get away. with it. Yeah. He's still going to be

dudes on Bravo always get through this shit. Oh, bingo right here. Jade Brianna, great, great point. Notice how every apology West makes is centered around his feelings and comfortability. Bingo. Yeah, it's all self-serving. Yep, absolutely.

From M. Woodward, can we skip to the reunion? I feel yucky watching. No, we cannot because we still need to see Carl and Kyle fight. Yeah, that's true. I guess with the Amanda West stuff, yes, every time that you see more, it's deeply unsettling,

but unfortunately, we do still have to check it out. Alex Coital gave us three questions. I'll do two of them. First one, the preview for next week, Amanda being jealous of them rekindling a friendship. Yeah, it's going to be really gross. And the second

one she wrote is a statement, is just what the actual fuck was that? We don't know. We have no idea. from Rage Goodrich. Anyone check in on Kyle? LOL, very focused on everybody but him.

That was his wife. Kyle seems to be doing great. He's got a whole supposed to blow up going on. He's making out with Megan King. He's doing fine. Yeah, I mean, I gave him some of my money

that Carl is a mess sweatshirt should be coming in at some point soon, I would imagine. Yeah, we're both supporting him in that way. I think Dev ordered a couple. Yeah. Let's see.

This is a great point. Zen Jabila. I hope I said that right. Why can't West look Sierra in the eye? This little boy act is so tired. Yeah, dude, it drives me crazy. This little, like, woe is me. Like, I'm just a nice little guy.

Like, yeah, like, totally. Sunglasses on the whole time while he's talking about the end. And a fucking scarf on his head half the time. Yeah, no, no, not falling for it anymore. Uh, from Chappie's 0907, do you think that Sierra wanted to tell West in that sit down scene that she actually had feelings for him? Yeah.

Uh, yeah, probably. Yeah, I'm glad she didn't. Yeah, I'm happy she didn't. That would have been even tougher of a pill to swallow. This is a great question. I could probably end on that one if you find another one. Yeah, from Krista Leanne. Do you think that we'll actually see the Carl Kyle fighter?

Did it get cut with the new edits? We're still going to see it. It's still going to boil over. Look, they're still moving on with the content that they have because that is a storyline. Carl Kyle is a storyline in spite of what else is going on with everything else. we're still going to see that kind of come to a head. Yep.

Oh, this is a good one actually before we finish up. Hotcakes 1987. From the male POV, does he actually like Sierra or is he doing this for the viewers? Neither.

No, he doesn't like Sierra. And he's not doing it for us. He's doing it for himself. Yeah. Yeah. It has nothing to do with the viewers. He's not concocting

some storyline, some plan in his head that he knows is going to get. Like, if anything, if he was, doing that if he was doing something for the viewers he would steer clear he would have set boundaries with sierra and said hey i think we're better as friends i don't want to muddy the waters

do you agree and then there would have been a tough transition period and they would have been okay that would have been the best possible thing for him to do if he was going for the viewers if he was going for a storyline to be because he was already kind of ascending like let's not forget beginning of this season and all the shit that was going on with amanda and kyle the stances that he was taking before we knew that him and amanda were hooking up were great and he was putting himself in a great position to be the middle of this show as everybody else kind of moves into the sunset within the city, he could have taken over the reins of this show. He was in that position and he fucked everything up.

So no, he's not doing anything for the viewers. Nope. It's all self-serving. Man, I keep finding good ones. This is actually, we might actually want to do this. Mike O or Mitch OCT, you should live stream commentary during the reunion. we should do a live watch together. Yeah, for one of them.

I was thinking that like for the reunion specifically after we watch, we might record and then just have that ready to roll so that you guys get our live recording afterwards. A public live recording. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. That could. Well, we'll work out.

Yeah, we'll figure all that out. All right. Last one here. We might take a sec to break it down. Let me find it. Let me find it. Oh, yeah, there's one. Go Flyers.

Not that one. Shout out. Ah, here we go. Yeah, go Flyers. Fuck the pens. Bree Bird says, this is a good one. How can production keep Summerhouse season 11 from becoming Vanderpump rules season 11? Man, a West Campi on the show.

Do you see a world in which they tried and not put them back on the show, honestly? I see a world where what ends up happening is Amanda's mental situation doesn't allow her to go back on the show so she just takes a step away. Kyle's still on the show. West comes back but just gets berated and that's not going to work out or he goes to that weird Ozark thing. Are they going to do the Ozarks thing? I don't know. I haven't heard anything specific from like Bravo or anybody like that. But if he goes and does that, he's not on the show in New York, but they're still going to be fallout.

There's still going to be a whole issue and it's going to take up the whole season. And yeah, we're going to watch it. We're going to watch the shit out of it. But it's not going to be fun. Like, it's not going to be a good time. They're still going to go out and have fun, but we're still going to be stopping in every step of the way to talk to Sierra, to talk to Mia, to talk to Kyle, whatever it might be. So it's still going to be such a dark presence that it won't really matter. I think if they want to set themselves up for the future, yeah, I mean, you're just going to

going to have to deal with it. You're going to have to live a summer where, yeah, they're going out and having fun, but they're still talking about all of this. And then hopefully season 12 is much better. But no matter what you do, every step of the way, it's still going to be a nightmare. Yeah, next season is going to be tough to navigate. Any way you look at it. We don't really know. But they don't have Jeremiah and they don't have Alex Baskin. So I'm hoping that this is a better producing crew that can help out with that to try to not make a VPR season 11. Yeah, I, look, they're going to have to figure it out. I don't know what the right move is.

The fact that Jermaine doesn't have his hands on it or Baskin gives us hope. But, I mean, we said when this popped off, this very well may end the show. And I stand by that still. I don't know. There are ways forward and there's good ways forward that would work. But there are plenty of ways that it just, especially within the city coming out, where they just wrap it because they don't know how to figure it out. I don't think they'll do that.

They're going to try to do something season 11 just to build off of this momentum. But they got to be careful with how they roll it out. It's going to flounder. Yeah, I mean, we're going to get a lot more of a temperature reading after the reunion to see where everybody is. I mean, based on what we've seen on socials from everybody else affected, they could be okay with no West and Amanda there. Sierra is going to be the big one. Is she even going to come back? That might actually be the answer right there is have everybody else,

including Kyle come back, because this is Kyle's show. Whether you guys like it or not, it's going to be Kyle Schell. If he comes back completely fine with that, there might be a world where that's, you know, Bravo, Sierra,

Ariana, like everybody kind of learns from their mistakes where Sierra just doesn't come back and Sierra goes on to bigger or better things. Maybe she's on in the city and Amanda's getting fucking booted for next season. Maybe that's what she does. They start filming for that and she ends up doing her own thing all summer.

Maybe she shows up on Love Island and she's sitting with Ariana Maddox for a couple episodes down there. I can see it. world where that makes a little tone of sense. But maybe you see Mia stay Sierra go, not come back. And then we kind of just move on with that and see what we have. Yeah, I can see that. I don't know. It's going to be interesting. We'll keep you guys updated, whatever we hear. I'm sure we'll get some inklings. Once the reunion's over, shit's going to start

coming out. So we'll keep you guys posted. But yeah, absolutely gut-wrenching episode. Fuck West. Fuck Amanda. And, uh, Jeff. is for Sierra. But it's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Brow Bros. are out of here.

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