Bros & Shows - Who Got Chin Checked? (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

What's up Bros? Potomac is off and running and we are enjoying this season so far. In this episode, Angel tries to get to the bottom of the chin check debacle. Kierna doubles down that she didn't say it but Gizelle knows that she did. Kie and Wendy continue to butt heads but given the recent events, it's hard to take Wendy's side. Kierna's message isn't wrong, but the way she is presenting it is lacking some evidence in our opinion. The Stacey gang up continues and while she deserves some questioning, the personal insults and stuff are getting old in a hurry. The ladies head to some Preakness parties, K plans a pregame while Wendy and the First Lady of Maryland plan a party for the event itself. Things escalate at Kierna's as we try to unravel the chin check comment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, off and running. I was not. No pun intended. I love the preakness. I do too. I'm excited for the preakness episodes. Same. Yeah.

Yeah. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter, pot gooder. Pot Potomac. Oh, okay. God, I don't know.

Potoma Guder. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, I think I've used that one either. Remember it for next year, next week, wow. Next year. Episode two, off and running. Yeah, the cold intro there was a little weird. I try to bury the lead.

I'm concerned. Are you? This episode has me concerned. I'm not concerned. This episode was not on par with the first. What is this four? This is three. Three.

now a couple of things happened in this episode that have me paused for concern but the big thing at the end where everybody's kind of battling back and forth and the way that people are talking I'm not a huge fan of GNA going forward I think GNA can burn this whole show down if they wanted to I think that that I saw some things I think I know what you're referencing towards the end when they're at Giana's house and then on the sprinter van as well. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I actually made note of a couple of things back there.

I don't think that it's cause for, like, oh, shit. It's not oh, shit. It's just, it's concern. It's more these were actually, because last season was pretty good, honestly. And we praised Giselle for being able to step into that role. A lot of people online. And, you know, you and I had a discussion about whether or not, she'd be able to do it, and she showed that she could do it.

But the, I guess, the things that people were pointing out kind of came to a head this episode where I'm like, yeah, I understand why we want to pump the brakes on Giselle being the main person here, because she had a lot of her normal Giselleisms, but it started to spill over to, okay, you need to be more of what you were last year to make this show work. There was some forced Giselle's. Yeah, and also, Ashley's got an air about her that I'm like, ah, this is what I was worried about now look they can clean it up very quickly oh yeah immediately can clean that up i just feel like what we're doing in this show right now is leaning towards potential isolation of people on the show

which never works yeah and i think that where they can solve that is by not isolating if they continue down the path that we're currently seeing yeah which you know if there's some force stuff here and there but we're still forcing everyone together we'll make our way through it it's still not the best route to go. Yeah. What I'm hoping, and then I'll give you my reasons to be concerned, what I'm hoping is that we're just getting the early season jitters out of the way. There's some newbies in the group.

We're trying to, you know, set the tone of like who, who's HBIC, who's not going to take shit, who, this, that, the other. So I'm hoping that we're in that place. Where I saw reasons to be like, eh, okay. Ashley's gotten a lot more power in Ashley's. He's incredibly confident. The beginning of this episode starts off with that. Yes, it does.

And I thought that we could equate that to, okay, she just got the bag from Gollum, so she's feeling pretty good. I was hoping it was just more of a like, I'm rich now, fuck it, kind of vibe. I was hoping that's what it was going to be, but we should have known better. We should have. And I don't think, I just think that over the first couple of episodes in this episode, the The way they're treating Stacey is how the Salt Lake City women treat Brittany. Yeah.

Brittany and Stacey are not the same person. No. Their delusions might be very similar. But I think that there is a level of Stacey's putting on a bit of an act and she knows what she's doing. And I think that she's going to turn into something else pretty quickly. I think what we're seeing is they're dismissing her immediately. And as soon as she brings up something that is identical to what they were just complaining about, they just dismiss her. Yes.

And that's not how it's supposed to work. She's a full-time housewife. She is, by the way, if you're watching this from the outside looking in, I know it's probably a lot different while you're filming. You probably look at Stacey, like, all right, Stacey, enough, enough, enough. We're watching Stacey saying we want more Stacey. Yeah. We want Stacey to be involved more because it's funnier when she's involved.

And you're not allowing her to be involved. You're actually doing yourself a disservice. So I'm hoping because Giselle's been on the show for so long, she knows how these things work. I don't really have any hope for Ashley. But Giselle is somebody that I feel like can realize what's going on and be able to open up a little bit more. I just want it to simmer down a little bit when it comes to the Stacey stuff.

Like, I get it. And I also understand that we're not that far removed from the reunion at this point. So people still feel a certain way. They're still upset. They're still trying to understand. I think that's the biggest thing is the confusion. I think people are trying to understand who Stacey actually is behind this QVC mask that she puts on. What the fuck happened with this divorce?

And I think that why they're dismissing her so quick, the majority of these ladies are like, oh, everything you say is bullshit, so I'm not going to give you the time of day. Yeah. And I think that's the wrong approach. I think the approach should be let her talk more, ask her more questions to see what's going on. And I feel like from our perspective, and maybe a lot happened in the off season, maybe they're just fed up and they realize, like, we don't want to do this. Like you said, everything that comes out of your mouth is bullshit. We're done. That's not a good recipe for a good show. For us, watching at home. We want to see you ask more questions. We want to see you try to get to the bottom of the divorce and not just immediately dismiss it and say, oh, she probably typed that up on a PDF export or whatever. She probably did this. It didn't have a seal. Let's just move on. We don't want to talk about it anymore. We need you to engage with Stacey because she will help the show, not whatever you think is going on right now. I agree. I agree. I think that you need to let her fly. She's a peacock. You got to let her fly. She's a peacock. You got to let her fly. And I think

She's a phoenix. Let her rise. Let her rise. Damn right. And I think that by questioning you get one of two outcomes, both of which would be good. On one hand, she kind of snaps out of it, and she's like, oh, okay. And then she's no longer spewing bullshit. On the other hand, maybe everything she's saying is true. And you guys should support her a little bit. Just because it sounds wacky and she's kind of a wacky, quirky person, that's what it is.

I feel like we're writing her off. They're writing her off the cast because she's quite. I don't think that's right. I think that we all love her at home, so love her on the show or try to at the very least. Yeah. And we start out with Ashley working out, you know, big Ashley working out scene. And I think this just goes to your point of a lot of confidence. And I don't mind confidence, right? That's not the problem. She should feel this way. We just wanted it to go a different route. Yes. Like you have been on the show for a while. You can get involved. You know when to stop. I do. No. No.

You should know when to stop. All right, I'll rephrase it. What I personally want is I want to see an Ashley beef. I want somebody to go after Ashley because I feel like she's been on this pedestal for so long, for whatever reason, she's untouchable. And I don't get it. Oh, interesting. No one's been going after. No one's ever gone after Stacey.

Ashley, sorry. With the Michael stuff for a while. For the Michael stuff for a while, but then they gave her a pass for a while. Yeah. And she's just kind of been floating around being able to say and do whatever she wants. and when she has a problem with somebody, she airs it out, and usually she has backup. And she always goes after the low person on the totem pole, too, and she's going after Stacey now. Stacey's got no support.

I want to see Stacey build some support and go after Ashley. That would be cool. She's now, she's at a position of power for whatever reason. She's got all this stuff going on. She's done with the divorce. Go after her. I think so. I think that it's time to do that.

I just want to see what Ashley does when she gets pushed. I agree. I agree. I think that would make for interesting TV. And then we get to Stacey and AJ. And Arabella is doing a model walk for Miss 3rd grade. I was confused. I thought it was like a beauty pageant for, because her sash said Miss District of Columbia.

Miss D.C., which might have been, was that Stacey's sash? Could be? I don't know if she was Miss D.C. or not. I have no idea. But I didn't know what it was for. They kept saying Miss 3rd grade. She did great. This is not a knock on Arabella.

No, we were just confused. Yeah, just trying to figure out what's going on. In Stacey fashion, she's like, I'll show you and gets up and does it. I love that we have A.J. back. I'm glad A.J. is going to be a friend of Stacey's because we like... I just don't want him to get involved too much. No, we need that middle ground of like he is very entertaining in these one-off scenes. Like we saw last season when they sat down to discuss T.J.

We loved AJ. Yes. So if I get that AJ all season, that's great. And it gives Stacey an outlet. Just don't overstep and talk. to any of the other housewives. Just be a friend for the one-on-one scenes. You can be at the parties, but be in the background.

Yeah, I think that we don't ever like when any friends just bop into an argument. Like, yeah, you're supporting, you know? And we saw that. Again, we saw that with Ashley's friends. They got involved in fucking everything. And no one made Ashley pay for that. It almost ruined the show. It almost ruined the show.

Like, it almost didn't come back from that. And we haven't ever gotten it. Yeah, that's crazy. She never had to answer for that. Deborah, aka Sesame Street, coming in, caused physical harm to the. this show. Yep. And we really haven't. Nope. Not Ashley's fault, apparently. Interesting. That's a good point. It's a really

good point. But her and Timu are still doing their thing and they haven't told Arabella yet, so they're trying to figure out a way to do that. It's reasonable. Yeah, which makes total sense. I think that they're actually doing that the right way. Why don't we figure it out first and then we'll let her know. That's good parenting. Completely fine. Nice job.

Both of you. So let's get to Kiarna and Wendy. And it's two parts here, two-fold. because... Confused the shit out of me. This was bizarre. This was a very strange scene.

But when it comes to Wendy, this would have aggravated me regardless. But now knowing what I know, it just makes... It's not even aggravation now. Now it's like, oh, everything makes sense now. Yeah. I was watching you through a totally incorrect lens.

And now that I'm seeing you through the correct lens, it's like, oh, you've always been full of shit. And oh, you... And it's not a secret that she always thinks. that she's better than everybody. But now watching her try to be holier than now and talk down to people is so much more entertaining for me because it's like you're shitting on Kiarna

and acting like you're so much better than her, your party that you're having for the lady, what is it, black eyed pee? Black eyed Susan. Black eyed Susan, thank you. Yeah. You're acting like yours is so much more important. It's so much this, so much that.

You have this air of arrogance about you. But meanwhile, you're, committing tax fraud with luggage. Yeah. Or insurance fraud. Sorry. Insurance fraud. I feel like this was the true first scene where you can over, it's not even over-analyzing. It's just analyzing. Yeah. I thought that

all of the last week's episode, people were over-analyzing, putting things online, this and that, whatever. I don't think she necessarily did anything out of the ordinary. No. This was the first one where I agree with you. She has that error about her where she's so much better than everybody else. Well, I'm going to hang out with the first lady.

It's like, okay. Like, what? The First Lady of Maryland. Yeah, the First Lady of Maryland. I don't even know who that is. Nobody knows who that. I don't know who the governor of Maryland is. Where the hell would I care? I'm not in that state.

Anyway, that's not a big thing. It's not a big thing at all. And this is one of those, you're full of shit. This is fraud behavior is what this is. And that's what you're doing. So that makes sense to me. That's the best way to put it. Everything just seems fraudulent at this point.

And the tone of voice in which she speaks to Kiana, even when she's not saying anything condescending, is so condescending. And Kiana's problem, what she's trying to get at, you're correct. Yeah. How you're trying to relay it

and the examples being used don't make any sense. She is the content of what she's getting to is worthless. Yes. But the overall, the bigger picture that she's getting to is absolutely correct.

It's like getting a math problem right. And it's funny, but it's so funny because after the first episode, I took a step back and I'm like, what fuck are you doing? You're trying to push a narrative to go after Wendy. I mean, like, fine, whatever. I don't care.

But nothing you're saying is making any sense. You're still not really making any sense. But here I am supporting you fully because of the way that Wendy's talking to you. Yeah. That's pretty much what we got from this. She's treating like a petulant child. And it was. It was kind of a bummer to watch because I felt bad for Kiana.

And her big thing, again, totally, totally true. And you can say this about a lot of Wendy's friendships, probably. On screen, we're great friends. You always show up for the cameras. Off camera, you don't have time for me. I'm like, that's it. Yep. That's all you got to say.

I don't even give examples if these are your examples. No. Just say that. All you have to do is say that because I'm sure that rings true for every other person on this cast. Yes. And they've said it in so many different ways. I mean, you can go back and watch different instances where somebody had beef with Wendy. They kind of say the same thing.

over and over that she's fake, she only shows up for the cameras, and obviously I'm paraphrasing, but that's pretty much the general consensus of what Wendy is on this show and what she is when she's off the screen. So it makes a ton of sense. And again, I don't agree with what Kearn is saying overall, but when she uses that and doesn't use weird examples from like the NAACP thing or the other thing that was going on in LA with the makeup, like all of it was a bit of a stretch. But if this is what you're getting to, yes, absolutely. Yeah, and we're on board with it, especially when we end this scene with this bizarre, I didn't get it. Creepy laugh.

Extended laugh, where you're just literally laughing in her face, but it's clearly a fake laugh. She calls you raggedy, gives you the finger, you flip her off back, and then you leave with her while laughing at her. Yeah, I didn't, I couldn't figure, I thought that they weren't good. I honestly thought Kearna was getting up and she's like, I'm not getting anything out of this. We're not going far. I'm leaving. That's what I thought was going to happen.

Same. And then they pan the camera over to the two of them walking away with Wendy's arm around her. It was bizarre. What just happened? I don't know. A whiplash. I didn't think they were good at that point. No, neither did I.

Confused. I was like... Look, maybe they weren't, because I did start thinking about it. I think Kiarna just gave up. That's what, yeah. This is what happened. And she said, whatever. I don't fucking care.

Like, I'm going to go home. I'm going to tell Greg about this. I'm going to tell Greg about this. I'm going to tell my mom about this. and maybe I'll talk to Angel, but I don't know where I am with Angel right now either. Kiarna is in a very weird place, and I think she just kind of gave up and walked away.

Because even the arm around, while she's still laughing at her, she was like pushing her away. So I think she's kind of just fed up with the whole thing, and she's not going to deal with it anymore. I agree with you. Let's get to Angel and Bobby and Bobby's mom, Angel's dad.

And I guess Angel's mom passed away like 10 years ago, but we get an event recap. This is important. Mm-hmm. Because we were curious what the actual definition of a chin check was. Yep. It's literally punching someone in the chin. Yeah.

Okay? No one knew what that meant. No. By the way, I think a choice few of the cast members knew exactly what that meant. Bobby just said it right away. He's like, oh, that's like a right to the chin, but physical. I was like, okay, thanks. Finally, I still was under the impression that it was just sort of like a look that you give, like a glare, like a what the fuck are you doing type of glare.

That's what I thought it was where you put your chin down. and that's where the chin check comes from, maybe? I don't know, no. Oh, it's a punch in the chin. Okay. Okay, all right, thank you. Makes a lot of sense. And she didn't take this well.

Nope. You know, and I think that, like, I get it, but I think you can probably look at the situation similar to how we did and be like, clearly she didn't mean that she punched you in the face. I, so that goes into me saying that nobody understands. I don't think you aren't understood what it meant. No, I agree.

If you aren't said it, she did not know. I think it's one of those, like, phrases. that maybe she heard, thought she understood what it meant, probably more in line with what I was thinking it was. Giselle knew what it meant and was taken aback. And that's why Giselle is on this tear about this whole thing because that's what she said. That's what Kiarna said, double down, pulled it back,

double down, pulled it back. Now finding out, Angel's like, what the fuck? Like, no, I didn't, that's my friend of 20 years. That's not what happened. I don't really understand that. I think Kiorna is just not going to admit that she doesn't know what I mean. That's what I'm getting It would do her a lot of favors

All of this It would do her so many favors And she's just unwilling to admit I didn't know what that meant And I just said it That's fair And that would clear up everything By the way

Everybody would be fine Everybody would take a step back And be like oh that makes so much fucking sense Probably laugh a little bit At your expense And then we would move on Instead it's like Well

I made this bed I got a lie I gotta lay in this This is what I have to do I want to punch my friend In the face bed that I made Yeah that's a good point And I guess it

Yeah I guess it's not up to Angel to just automatically be like, oh, she probably didn't mean it like that. So she, yeah, what a weird situation. It's a very weird situation from a, you know, prior unknown phrase. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. But at least we got the definition.

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A lot of football players on the show. I'm okay with that. I'm fine with that. Something about the DMV area, football. Yeah, a lot of excellent. We get another mention of one coming up soon. But she apologizes to Jazzy saying like, oh, I haven't been a good friend to you.

There's a lot going on. there has, you've been dealing with a lot of shit, so that's fair. I haven't seen Stacey be a bad friend, so this was news to me. Maybe she just meant like I haven't been calling you or something like that. I don't really know. And bear with me, maybe this is just a normal person in Stacey who feels like, oh, I haven't been a good friend, I haven't been in contact too much. I've got a lawsuit.

I'm getting back with my husband, but I'm kind of keeping it secret. I'm filming this show. I'm kind of all over the place. And I feel bad like I haven't been there for you. And it could just be as simple as that. I think it's more, I think it is that, but I think it's also she's trying to portray that she's a good friend. You think she's going that far? I see, I'm taking it as genuine.

I think that she's more calculated than we've said. I definitely think that she's way more calculated than she's letting on and everybody else. I think that the level of calculation that the group thinks that she is is she's just going to lie and spew bullshit. Yeah. But I think she's even way more calculated than that. Oh, yeah. I think she's messy. think she understands things and I think she knows people.

I think she's playing kind of, and I don't think she's dumb at all. I think she's kind of playing dumb and playing into the quirky character or the KVC voice. I think that there's a whole facade going on right now. I think she's stacking evidence. Yeah, whereas I think Giselle and Ashley look at it like we're going to unveil and it's just a lot of bullshit. Yeah, no. I think you're going to unveil and there's ticking time bombs for everybody.

I agree. That's where I'm kind of aiming where Stacey's going and I hope that I'm right because that would be highly entertaining it would be great it would be great to watch and i've i've had the same inkling now it could still go either way you know this could be wishful thinking on our part but that's because she's not dumb like she's a very intelligent person and the more that she's leaning into this quirkiness and just brushing things all like she hasn't gotten stuck on really anything in the moment no breath jokes like people being mean to her she'll acknowledge it but it's not what we usually see, even in the end of this episode where she's bringing things up, but it's not the

end of the world. It's just bringing up something that's irritating. She's bringing up things that are designated to be irritating to a certain person. Yes. Even her little quips, when she is getting shit on, she'll come back with a quip that'll attack, not even attack, but just ruffle some feathers. Right. And it's every single time that it happens, she'll have something to say where she'll be able to just completely pivot and go to Kiarna and be like, Kiarna, every time that we hang out, you're very disingenuous and you're just kind of aggressive and mean to me. It's like, where did that come from?

But it pissed Kiarna off, and now Kiarna's going to get active. And Stacey kind of walks away. I think Stacey walks away. And they just gets chalked up to, well, it's Stacey. Of course, she's going to do something like that. And it's like, okay, but she's skated away free. Again. Yeah.

Interesting. Good work. Yeah, we got to keep our eye on that. But we get the plans for the preakness, which are still, I didn't understand what was happening until we got there and watched it happen. So the pre-game is at Kiarna's, the pre-ness, if you will. Then they're going to, I already got it, what is it? Black-Eyed Susan.

Black-Eyed Susan. Like, he wanted to say Lady. Like, lady in the Black-Eyed P is for whatever reason. Do you want to just, like, start singing Black-Eyed P song? Boom, boom, boom. Gotta get get get get. Let's get it. What?

that was the name of this song I know I understand that's crazy this scene ends with an update on the group which again I don't know if this is adding to our theory but she's like you know I've been getting ganged up on they wanted me to bring out these divorce papers so like what we don't see until this scene she's just going along with what they're saying she brings up the divorce papers but we don't see a scene she's just going along with what they're saying she brings up the divorce papers but we don't see a scene of her saying this is ridiculous. Why do I have to prove that I got divorced? We don't really see that. This is that. So this tells me she acknowledges like this is nuts. They're making me pull out paperwork. But she doesn't make it a huge deal to the other ladies. No, she's intentionally only bringing it up to somebody else who, I don't know if Jazzy is going to be a friend of this year or whatever might happen. She's doing it with Jazzy. She's having that normal conversation with Jazzy. And I think a lot of people are probably more focused on Jazzy in this conversation, but we should be focused on Stacey.

I was focused on Stacey in time. Yeah, I mean, I was focused on Stacey, but I do think that usually what happens when you get somebody who was on the show, isn't on the show, might be a friend of, whatever it might be, you're going to kind of focus on that person to see like, oh, what are they bringing up the table? Are they trying to ruffle some feathers? Are they trying to throw some shit out there and create a storyline for themselves? Who cares what Jazzy's doing? I don't care. I'm more focused on what and how Stacey is talking. Because we don't see that. at goofy side in this scene. No. We don't see her throwing things out there and just kind of

laughing it off and being quirky and all of those things that we've seen her do with Giselle, with Ashley, where there wasn't really an answer as to why she didn't just show the document at the party. She waited until the next time to show the document. It's almost like she's just not even like laying out pieces. She's just being a different person around them as she is around her friends. Yeah. And she says like, you know, they were not happy for me when I told them, which is a great point. I'm so stuck on the fact that they think your divorce is fake. I didn't even put together.

Like, oh, no one said congrats that you guys are trying to figure it out. Like, oh, good for you guys. Like anything. It's more like,

why do we have to put up with this bullshit last year if you guys are just getting divorced now? It's like, you guys had to put up with Ashley and Michael's shit for a decade. Yeah. And yet you didn't have the smoke for her. And I think that if Ashley had told the rest of the group that her and Michael were trying to figure it out, it would have been met with less visceral than this.

I agree. And that's kind of weird to say. It is. But it's also just interesting to watch how she's doing her thing because, like you said, this is a totally different Stacey than we got in these other scenes. So we are either more duped than we've ever been or she's actually onto something because she even has examples. Because Jazzy's like, oh, like my grandparents got divorced for six months and they ended up

getting married for like 60 years or something. Stacey's got one in the back pocket. Giselle and Jamal It's like, whoa, where'd you pull that from? That's good shit. And why didn't you pull that out when Giselle was questioning your divorce?

Or a reason, I'm hoping. She's saving that for something. But this shows you she's more calculated and the fact that she has that demeanor in front of the ladies, this wacky, goofy, like, whoa. But then you see her break it down to Jazz, and you're like, it is 100% a character, but it's not a character in,

I'm trying to put this out to the audience. It's a character, and I'm going to let these ladies think something about me, and the time comes, boom. And look, maybe we're completely over-analyzing this scene, but what I saw is foundation step. I'm getting ganged up on by these women. Oh, yeah, you're right. Jazeel and Jamal did go back and forth for a little while and try to figure it out. That's kind of weird that they're not giving me the same grace. By the way, since we're talking about Jizel, bam, she set this whole thing up perfectly.

It didn't seem like a rehearsed conversation. It seems like this is how Stacey thought the conversation was going to go, and this is what we get. So I don't know. You can call me crazy. You can call steal crazy. I think it's calculated. I think she has this whole thing laid out, and she's just gathering information, and she's going to start dropping bombs. I mean, she drops a little bit here.

I just don't know how it really ties in because it's like, why are you talking about who I'm dating? Because it's not like Giselle's out there saying, oh, yeah, I'm not dating anybody. I would never date anybody. Yeah, this one just doesn't correlate to anything. She's allowed to date. She's single and she's an empty nester. Yeah. So to say like, oh, you're not telling people what's going on your life.

Why are you digging into mine? That's one thing. That might be what it is. But that's not enough. And if you go to Giselle with this, she's going to bury you. Unless it's maybe this will get back to Giselle. And then when it blows up, I've got more. Oh, maybe.

That could be. And maybe I'm giving her way too much credit. We could totally be giving her too much credit. We could be giving her way too much credit. She could be just a bumbling idiot. Well, that would be the funniest situation, though. Because this makes me think about it because she tells Jazzy, because Jazzy's like, oh, wow, like, how'd you know that?

She's like, oh, I've got people out there that I know. But the picture she shows us from Instagram. Yeah. That's not an inside scoop. That's Instagram. Yeah, but it was like bloggers, I guess, probably taking pictures of Giselle out on the date. I understand that. Like anybody has access to that.

It's not like you dug this up. No, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, that might be a pause for concern here. Right. For everything that we just said. It could have negated everything. Yeah.

It could just be that she's... Or... Or it's a plan. And she knew that we were going to say this. And she took that into account. It's a possibility. No. Yeah, maybe not.

I don't know. 50, no. Yeah. And who cares? Obviously, it's actually kind of cool if she's dating Sean Springs because he rocks. Oh, is that? that who the guy is? Oh, interesting.

It's funny, too, because he came up at the last NFL draft because he was previously the highest drafted cornerback before Travis Hunter was drafted this year. No shit. Well, that should be an asterisk anyway because Travis Hunter got drafted as a two-year. Yeah, he doesn't count. No. He's not a one-way cornerback.

No. That, by the way, firmly believe that that is the most difficult position to play in all of sports. Yeah, for sure. Anyway, back to... the business we get tia with her family and i thought this was so funny dude when she's referencing her kids because they're talking back a little bit they're trying to get to the bottom of this friend situation which is so funny because it doesn't seem like the parents care they're just saying

no you can only have one friend and the daughter doesn't care she's like i didn't say five she's yeah you did it's like yeah but i'm not saying it like what's the problem very funny scene i thought it was even more funny that she's like you know i was raised nigerian where we're taught to respect your elders, respect your parents. But in America, it's like, oh, the American thing is like, oh, fuck your parents. Say whatever you want. I'm like, oh, that's a tough look for us. Yeah, it's a very tough look for us watching all of this.

Just play out. I thought it was a nice scene. I think these are the important scenes for newbies, especially if you're a full-time housewife. Let us get to know your family. Totally. Have us sit down with your husbands, talk about your differences, be open about things. That's what we need. I totally agree.

I'm confused, though, with a lot of. lot of it a lot of it not a lot of it her and rob okay and not in a bad way i think that they they love each other clearly it's just it just the dynamic of their marriage is fascinating to me because on the one hand she's like yeah you know i was a stay-at-home mom when the kids were young that was important to me and then when they got into like preschool and school and they weren't at the house anymore then i went back to work and since then rob has kind of taken on those responsibilities in a lot of ways and then she goes to the next thing and she's like I got home from dinner.

Like, it was literally, why is dinner not on the table? Yeah. I was like, that's really funny. But Rob's still working too. And then she also said in the previous episode, like, oh, he's kind of the nanny. So it's just this dynamic that they have is fascinating because that at the same time where he's like the nannies in charge of the kids, he's this, that, whatever, which is fine. I don't have an issue with any of it. But at the same time, she's like, yeah, and the kids don't respect him at all.

Like, what's going on? Yeah. I don't know exactly what's going on, and even to the point where she starts talking about how his parenting is screaming and yelling at the kids when they don't do something, right? Whereas I will go scorched earth. Yeah, I go crazy. I will put dirty plates on your fucking bed if you don't do that after I told you to clean those dishes.

I know that I'm capable. It's like, okay, I think it's actually kind of similar. You're making it seem like you guys have way different parenting styles. You're just a tiny bit crazier than him. Right. That's really all it is. But it was still fun and nice and whatever. Like, I'm not trying to...

You get to know them, and that's really all you need. need, I don't need a whole lot more from that. You've got to get a good foundation with these newbies. Yeah, and I'm not, I didn't take anything negative from it. It was just more funny because it was a little contradictory as we walked through that whole thing. That just made me laugh more than anything because they do seem to genuinely love each other. So I have no issues here.

Let's get to G&T, as I wrote down, Giselle and Tia. Nackard is such a great word. Yeah. I'm just feeling a bit knackard today. A bit seepy, you know. Yeah, Nackard. seems like you've been, like people have been bothering you all day and I'm tired of it. Yeah, and then you're just sleepy and kind of grumpy. Good word. We could be wrong on that too,

but I know it does mean tired. An angel arrives, and before Angel arrives, I do have to say one thing because we know that Giselle is not known for her fashion. No. I love that Tia calls her out about her fashion because she makes a comment about Angel and what she's wearing. And then we get Tia knocking her down a peg being like, okay, I guess, I know you're not commenting on my fashion, which is great. It's all you got to say. And we get the most confirmation we've ever gotten. Giselle's fit at the end may be her worst yet.

Yeah. That was a tough fit. Especially coming off the heels of this, you'd think, like, you know. Yeah, step it up. She just referenced it. Like, do something different. And things kind of fall apart after Wendy arrives because they start getting into this whole Kiana thing.

And they're trying to understand, like, were you being shady towards her? I think that the sentence, did you do your own makeup, speaks for itself. Maybe I'm nuts. I don't know. But they're trying to understand, like, who was in the right, who was in the wrong, who said what, who did what. The only thing you really need to take away is that at some point, he aren't a double, double down, triple down. I think it's a double down and a repeal on a triple down. It's a double repeal triple down.

Yeah. So we got a double repeal triple down of I actually didn't say chin check. which is so funny because you were good. Yeah. This was over. This is where it got very confusing for me. And I think Wendy got out of this pretty quickly, and I don't think she should have.

But this just goes to show me that the conversation we saw between Kiarna and Wendy was what it was. Kiarna's just done. I don't feel like dealing with this anymore, which I think from a show standpoint is perfect. I do think she's going to do a bit of a victory lap. Like, I knew something was going on with Wendy. The timing of the whole thing works out really well for Kiana.

And again, if she moves on from this, I'm happy because it is kind of stupid. But she was able to just pass the buck. Wendy is not involved in this anymore. We start off talking about the makeup comment. Wendy can say whatever the fuck she wants. We all know it was shady. The question is shady to begin with.

You knew what you were doing at the time. Even if it slipped out, it was still shady. You still had a shady thought. So whatever. Just own it. And she's not going to own it. We know one thing about Wendy. She's never going to own it.

She's never going to take responsibility for that. But the fact that it flips so quickly to Angel, who is, this is one of my best friends. I've noted it for a long time. And we're doing this on the basis of what chin-checked means. Yes. Is beyond me. Yes.

And Angel didn't see it coming. Angel is completely confused by the whole thing. Wait, she did say it, but she repealed it and told me she didn't say it. And I believed her because she's my friend. But then she came back and said, no, that is exactly what I said. You had time to research what chin-checked means. And then you came back and said that you meant it. that's where I, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

No, that's where I get, that's where I'm drawing from. Kiarna has no idea what it means, but she doesn't want to look stupid, so she's just going to sit in it. Yeah. That's, that's what I'm getting from this. And I think Angel is very confused because now Angel knows what Chinchek means. We just saw the scene with her husband talking about it and what it means. So the fact that her friend is telling other people, no, that's exactly what I meant, probably hurt. But she didn't tell other people that's what she said.

She meant. She did until she took it back. She took it back at Angel's party. Right. But then she doubled down again and said, no, I did mean that. That's how it went. That's why Angel's so fucking confused. No, she said she did at Angel's party.

She said she said it. Yeah. And then she took it back again after that. And that's where we're at now. Because Giselle is telling her, no, she definitely said it. Yes. But again, this is all based on Kearnah actually knowing what Chinch checked means. Which she does not.

I don't think she does. No, she clearly doesn't. And Angel's response to it, after finding out that she did in fact say it, is that's pretty crazy considering what happened before referencing last season when Kiarna got bopped. Yep. Which is a bold statement

just because we know how long that went on for. We know the trauma that that caused. You know, Kiarna still got the scar. So that was potentially a misstep. But we'll get to the fallout or lack thereof in a little bit. But let's get to Kiarna and Greg for the pregame at the prequeness. Greg is trying to do so much damage control.

It is insane. I actually kind of respect it. I commend it. I commend the hell out of it. You need to. And they do obviously show Andy saying at the reunion last year. I guess he just doesn't like being filmed. No, he doesn't like being filmed.

We actually thought we weren't going to see Greg at all this year because he doesn't like being filmed. instead he is being filmed and he's doing so much the most to try to make it look like he's okay I don't know what happened in the interim I don't know what happened to the off season we get a little bit of Kearna talking to her mom in a couple episodes ago about what happened there was a fallout she ended up getting a condo then he started coming back and trying to get back with me that seems to be what we're watching right now he's still doing that but he's also putting it on for the cameras yeah very funny it is it's entertaining to watch it's just you can see right through it. It's pretty funny.

Yeah. And when Stacey arrives, it's even funnier because she's like, oh, are you here together? Greg takes that as, are you living together? Yeah. She genuinely means, are you at this party with Kearna? Yeah. Are you just here? Yeah. That's hysterical. Yeah. And he's like, oh, we, um, I live at my house. She's like, oh, okay. And then she, the way that Greg started it off was, well, we spend a lot of time. We kind of split between the house. Yeah. And here. She's like, oh, this is your house? And then she's like, wait, you own this condo? You guys own this together?

No, this is just hers alone. I just spent a lot of, you know, 50-50. I spent a lot of time here. And it sounds like a clumsy line of questioning. Or is she? I do think that Stacy knows a lot more. She's trying to not put his feet to the fire, but like make him look stupid. I think so, too.

Yeah. And then Giselle arrives in. got to be top three worst fits that she's worn. Gotta be top three worst fits that I've seen on Housewives. This was insane. It was really bad. And we just watched the Amsterdam trip. Yeah, we just watched the Amsterdam trip.

We've seen a lot of cat sweaters from Sutton. This is still top five easily. Yeah, it was tough. It was a tough look. I love Mom grilling Greg out on the deck. That made me very happy. She's like, oh, she looks so beautiful. He's like, oh, she is beautiful.

She's like, that's why you love her. He's like, that's why I love her. She's like, that's why you love her? Well, that and a lot and more. She brings so much to the table. Watching her walk him down that path was incredible. Yeah, he's like, ha-ha. She is, she needs to be a friend of, I think.

And I loved watching her reactions standing there. He aren't his mom and cookie, friend of. Yes. I would like to watch the two of them. Go to a party, not do anything or say anything. Be on the side. And then go meet up at Karen's place to sit down and talk. And just debrief.

I would watch that after show. There's your after show. There's your after show, guys. Come on. Tell them to start a podcast. That would be incredible. Anyway, Wendy arrives and Angel arrives. We got the whole crew.

And we start asking questions about how did we end up here? Why are we here? And then we're going to another party later. Black-eyed Susan? Yep, there you go. Hey, then we're going to Black-Eyed Susan's later. But that's the better party, according to Wendy. Susan's a person?

Is it a horse? Yeah. There you go. I'm not that dumb. We're not going to Black Eyed Susan's house. Whatever. It's okay. You just got it. I'm not going to.

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Yep. Yes. Correct. We need evidence. We need you to come with some receipts to follow that up because you say that. And yes, it's applicable. And all the ladies sitting at this table go, yeah, okay, I get that. But why?

Mm-hmm. We need a better why. This constant desire to have an issue, as Wendy says, because that's what you do. you leave the door open for that response where it's like you're always coming after me. It's like if you follow up first, better best with a really good example, now Wendy has to talk away out of that. Instead, she just gets to say, why do you always pick on me? By the way, all you really have to do is just use the party that we're at as an example.

Right. It's right in front of you. Well, she was, but she didn't. She was referencing it, but she didn't reference it. She didn't specifically reference it. Yes. And all you have to say is it feels like you're a first, better best kind of person. Right now, I told you.

you, we had a conversation about doing this and you said, well, you know, the first lady of Maryland invited me to go do that. What did you want me to do? Just stop doing this. I had already started planning this party. So it does feel like, yeah, the answer should be, absolutely. Let's just pregame at your house and then we can get in the limo and go over to that. That would be fun. Instead, it's, well, I've already got this going on, so I've already got this plan. This is really my party. This isn't your party. It's like Kearnas apartment. Yeah. Fuck are we talking about. That's all you have to do. And it's a bizarre situation, but it's Wendy. and everybody at the table understands Wendy,

that's all you have to say. Then everybody can look at her and be like, yeah, that's what Wendy's going to do. And that's all she has to do. Yeah, yeah. She's so close. She's so close. And especially lean further into the professor thing

because, yes, she's talking to you as though you're a dumb student. Yep. And she's doing the professor thing. And that professor thing pisses off the rest of the ladies too. Hammer that stuff home. You've really got, you've really got like multiple legs to stand on with that.

But this whole thing took such a weird turn. This whole episode went places I didn't think we were going. Because Chinchek comes back up. And obviously Angel took offense to it. And she's trying to get to the bottom of it. And she gives the whole spiel that we've already heard. And Kearna takes responsibility and says, look, I'm really sorry. I shouldn't have said that.

If I hurt your feelings, I apologize. Angel says, thank you. Great. We can move on. Don't worry. and I know, and she apologizes for her thing the other day where she didn't have her back. She's like, look, I always have your back. Don't worry about it.

Wendy takes this and goes, hmm, your energy is a lot different than it was. In my head, before we even get Angel's explanation. Yeah. Like, that was a couple days ago. Like, I don't think it's that serious. Yeah, this was, I think, a good example of Angel not understanding what shows she's on. Yeah. I think that anybody could have seen this coming a mile away.

Wendy was just on the hot seat. She's immediately going to deflect the first opportunity that she gets. Throw it right at right at angel. You guys have been friends for a long time. What do you mean? This is how you were talking the other day. You shouldn't have talked like that the other day. And then your explanation for, what are you talking about?

I felt some type of way. I slept on it. Like you just did a really long version of explaining what slept on it means. And it doesn't really land. No, but you've got Giselle chime. This is where I have a problem with Giselle. Just let Wendy do it. I know.

Because, Giselle, you don't have to get involved in this. You do not have to dirty your hands at all. This is a non-issue. Let them battle it out. Let Wendy get involved. And you can take a step back. You don't need to then step in and say, well, I said it too. Okay.

And then Ashley jumping in there and saying, like, oh, like in this group, like you got to be authentic. Like Ashley jumping in as well, that's where it seems like this cast for the most part is ensemble. I think Giselle took the lead last season to. kind of point us in the right direction, but we don't have a clear cut. Even when Karen was on the show, like, Karen believes she's the HBIC. Correct. But that was some of the charm. That was

fun. That was the fun, campy thing about it. So, when this happens, and you have Ashley trying to jump, and you have Giselle trying to jump in, it's not necessary, especially because we want to see how the newcomer is going to respond. Yeah. It's very much gang-up.

Yeah. And this is not a situation that calls for it. No. None of the situations that Stacey's been in, except for the first episode when we want answers about what the fuck happened in the reunion, tell us about T.J. Fine, you can gang up there because you do want answers. The divorce thing doesn't need a gang up. You don't have to gang up on Stacey every single time. And you definitely don't need to gang up on Angel right now. Just let her have it out with her friend. Kiarna is now sitting over there at the other end of the table smiling and trying to work through it because she realizes now she's in a position of power. But over Angel?

Yeah. What's the point in that? The whole thing was very confusing to me. And it'll also started when Giselle jumped in. Yeah. Because then everybody got the power and they're like, oh, let's all jump in on this. Why? It's just the situation doesn't call for it. Yeah.

And Wendy pulls out the fact that Angel had referenced Kearna getting bopped last season. That comes out. So now Kiana's like, oh shit. So now she gets upset at Angel for bringing that up to go that low. And she's like, look, I was hurt. Everything kind of works itself out. There's a lot of talking going on.

But at the end of it, I was going to say, Kearnas says, well, I hope that convo is the last one you have. Do I miss something else? The reason why it all ended so nicely. Greg came over with a stack. Oh, yeah, Greg came over with a stack.

That's right. Greg's handed out 20s. Make sure you just, you know, bring some of this home. Don't spend it on shoes. Yeah, just bring the winnings home. He's getting the money to go gamble. Uh-huh. Nice job, Greg.

Thanks, Greg. Yeah, well done. I appreciate that. The problem that I have now is now that we've opened the door of what happened to Kiarna a couple years ago. One, I know it was traumatic, and I know you're still reeling from it, but it did happen on the show.

People are going to reference it. She still has the same energy she had last year. And what happened last year? Who did she get into a big issue with because they brought it up and they wanted to talk about it? Whose fault was it? Ashley, who's the one now sitting in this sprinter van

saying, oh, we can't talk about that? Why are we talking about that? That's, I want to bop you right now. No. Like, what the fuck are we doing? I don't, yeah, it just, yeah, go into the sprinter van with Stacy. This whole thing just kind of piss me off. The sprinter van is where this took a turn for me.

Yeah. I'm in the same boat. There was a couple of little moments, as we've talked about, where I was kind of like, ooh, okay, that could be cause for concern, but it's overall a pretty good start to the season. So I'm not going to read too far into it. When we get here, I was like, all right, this could be a problem because there is absolutely no reason. We did it. We hashed it out. It was it was kind of convoluted and weird, but we hashed it out. Let's go have fun. Talk about something else. What we don't need to do

is go, can I do a toast to Angel? She looks upset. Why? So forced, not fun. We did this already. It also doesn't make any sense. And Giselle, if you did this without jumping in, fine. That's okay, because you know what that is? That's the HBIC. That's the, I'm going to get the group back together. let's give a toast to Angel. She looks a little upset. Not really sure what's going on. Angel, say whatever you went back. I don't give a shit.

But, Giselle, you're the one who started the group up. You don't then get to sit there. And it's not like a fun, like, shady comment where you're going to toast to Angel. You started it. Well, especially you double down because she's like, I'm mad. I'm not upset. She's like, at Wendy. It's like, stop.

Yeah. Like, it's just too much. It's forcing. It's forcing. You know what it feels like? What? It feels very green-eyed bandits-esque. It does.

We got away from that. Uh-huh. We don't need that back. No. That wasn't fun. We need that back. Please keep robbing away. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Because I saw the same thing. This was like, this was the, like, what are we doing here? Yeah. This cause for concern for sure. And Kian is trying to clear the air. And she's also advocating for herself a little bit.

She's saying, you're like, I don't come at people a certain way. And then Stacey's like, well, you came at me. And she's like, well, that's a different story. And right then and there, I wanted someone to be like, why? Yeah. Why is Stacey a different story? Yeah. Like, what am I missing?

And Kiarna, again, worst examples in the world. Well, who knows what's going on with you with your QVC voice? Well, no, but it's not wrong to say, like, you have this QVC voice mask going on or something like that. But that's not the answer as to why it's different. Right. Yeah. That's just how she throws you off the scent, so to speak. Yeah.

But it doesn't really do a whole lot. And then Stacey brings up, well, I don't want to get chin checked. Like, this is the one part I did laugh at. I'm like, ooh, that's a little spicy, but I like it. She's like, I don't get chin-checked because she'd be the one to show me, which I know is alluding directly to what happened last season, even though she's not the one. I think if she had just left it, I don't want to get chin-checked, it would have been fine.

The implication we get it. Then what we could see play out is, does everybody then turn immediately and look at Stacey and go, no, we're not doing that. You guys just did this for 45 minutes. Maybe it was longer, maybe it was shorter. Who knows? But you guys just did this for a long period of time. Now Stacey gets to chime in.

With a pretty good line, I don't want to get chin-checked, and it's very applicable to the situation. She did take it a little too far, because you're the one who would show me. I know what you're doing? I'm okay with it, by the way. I was, too. It's fine. Like, you know what?

That's what I just said. Like, it's going to get brought up. It happened on the show. It's going to get brought up. You're going to have to be able to deal with it. The fact that everybody took offense to it. Ashley, clutching her pearls, like, oh, God. We can't go there.

Ashley last year was like, let me see your scar. I heard you're talking about your scar. and you got chin-checked by Kiarna for asking to see the scar. And now this year you're like, oh, I'm so offended by that. I want to chin-check Stacey. Shut up. Yeah, isn't it crazy how one scene can kind of shift and make you a little bit nervous about what's to come? Because I felt the same thing.

I stand by what I said in the intro. Like, I am enjoying the season. I enjoyed a lot of this episode. Those are reasons to kind of raise a flag and be like, okay, we don't need to keep doing that specific stuff. We're okay. We were apprehensive to believe that Chiselle was. going to step into the role she did a good job last year i don't want ashley anywhere near it no i went actually nowhere near the top no you're so much better as just kind of floating around doing

whatever gna bullshit that you're going to be doing and talking about whatever you've got money now that doesn't mean that you're a good housewife the money thing is where you're seeing this shift in personality somewhat not personality but shift in confidence level she's always been confident there's just an an air about her now where it's like ooh this could go south and to hurry. Yeah. But let's see what the audience has to say. From Makeup, L.A.B.

Is Chinchek a term or a physical act still have no clue what it means? Yes. Yeah. Correct. Yep, you're right. I think so. Coupy Poopy. Kearna is doing way too much.

I can't stand her. I'm sure I'll hear her in the episode, but what do you think? I think she is doing too much, but I think that she, with Wendy in particular, she's on the right track. It's there. This one's an interesting one to analyze simply because, yes, you're right. right, but she's not wrong. She just doesn't know how to get there.

And it's fascinating, obviously. It runs the risk of being too much sooner than later. But as of now, because I get where she's coming from, where she's trying to lead us, like I'm cool for the time being. Yeah. From, hey, WMS, why do you think that Kiarna took a different approach this season? I don't really know, to be honest. I think she's just trying to make more of an aim for a slash.

I'll do more, trying to be more of a contributing factor. And, like, that's the funny thing is, again, she's going the right direction, but she's doing it the wrong way. Yeah, exactly. And it's funny, too, because, like, the first or second episode, I thought she was doing way too much and there was nothing there. She was grasping at straws. Obviously, current events change things.

now we're looking at things a little differently. I do think in a nutshell, if we hadn't gotten the Wendy news, this episode still would have been like, all right, I think you're on to something here, but you're just doing it the wrong way. Yeah. So I don't really know, honestly.

We'll see how it shakes out. Yeah. From Dr. Cards, do you think Wendy doesn't talk to these people outside of filming? Yes. Absolutely. They do not see her in the off season. Nope.

I don't know, but from Leah Hall 90, do you think K chin-checked angel at the table? I don't fucking know. I have no idea. I can tell you right now, I don't think the Kiarna punched angel in the face. Well, that's where it gets confusing. Is it a verbal chin-check?

Because that's different. You shouldn't get that upset about it if it's implying a verbal, like, checking. Yeah. But if it implies that I punched her, like, are you upset because she implied that she punched you? You're upset that she's threatening violence? Are you upset that you got chin-checked?

I have no idea. The lines are very blurry. Yeah, I don't know. And last one here. hear from Maginia Halla 18. Who's made a better impact on y'all, Tia or Angel? They're kind of in the same boat right now. Yeah, it's still way too early to tell.

I think they're both doing some, I think they're both totally fine right now. Yeah, I have no issue with either of them right now. They're doing what newcomers should do. Angel's getting thrown into the fire earlier. She's handling it pretty well. I think she's handling it pretty well. I just, I do think that she was a little. whiplashy

when that was all going down she got caught off guard and that my point is that could have went much further south than it yeah definitely could have and she handled it it wasn't great but she handled it fine and also I mean her big misstep was assuming that she could say that originally

and it not be used against her later she'll learn I think she I think this moment right now is all she needed to be like okay well not doing that again and now I know who you are Wendy so yeah I honestly think that this season, I'm still optimistic about this season, not even cautious. I'm just optimistic. No, yeah, I think I'm optimistic, though. But I think a lot of it hinges on Angel

and Tia, honestly. I think more so than other newcomers. Yeah, I think right now what we need is the focus to kind of shift to other people in the group being under fire. Yeah. Like, we need something to happen where now Giselle has to answer for something, Ashley has to answer for something. Other than that, we need to get away from Stacey. Kiana and Angel. Correct. Yeah. Right now.

That's not going to be able to carry the season. It can't carry another episode. No. It's run its course. There's nothing there, especially because it's so concluding. I think Stacey in the middle of something can carry a season, can carry an episode. I just don't think the way that they're handling it right now is going to be able to carry. No.

What they came at Stacey with does not have the legs to go the entire season. Exactly. It's done now. Yep. So let's hopefully, especially in real time, TMZ proved that she's divorced. Yep. So if we continue to hear about the divorce thing, I'm going to lose my mind. It'll be really stupid.

Yeah, so hopefully they shift focus. So we will see. But, yeah, I'm still enjoying it. Still optimistic for the future of this season. But there are some things to be on the lookout for. So you at home, make sure you're keeping a lookout too. And you let us know if you see anything. Yeah.

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