Bros & Shows - Will Dodges the Southern Hospitality Reunion (SoHo Reunion Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

What's up Bros? The SoHo reunion was solid although not a lot of questions were answered on the Will and Emmy front. The bombshell that was teased in the finale is dropped, and it turns out that Trevor never cheated on Maddi the second time. Apparently some of the others in the group knew during last season but werent sure how to broach the topic. Brad takes accountability and it seems like Maddi is cool with everyone but just upset that she was made to look and feel crazy. Joe and Maddi are still on the right track, but Joe clearly would prefer if things were sped up a little bit. Michols shares that his mom has still not reached out positively, but has found a lot of support in other family members which is incredible. TJ and Joe are back on the outs after Joe watched the season and saw some of the things TJ was saying about him behind his back. G Lily and Maddi hash things out but seemingly are still ok. Will obviously doesn't show up to the reunion for his 'mental health' and no regard for Emmy's mental health either. Emmy places blame on the entire group without acknowledging her and Will's part. The only time she takes acocuntability for Will is in regards to him talking smack around town. Hopefully next season they get upgraded to a real reunion but the cast is doing well and we are excited for next season! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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as promised i'm starting this episode the same exact way as i started the finale episode will reached out to us to come on to our podcast and an attempt to clear his name or something i'm not really sure we have responded and said yes we will have you on so just a quick reminder to everybody the ball is in his court we'll see what he does with it and yes we will have him on so i don't know if he's going to but he's welcome the disclaimer disclaimer so funny imagine being will and like all right let me just see like you know before i agree to come on let me see what they're saying about me and you start off both episodes with just the just heads up guys balls in his court and he's like oh god too much pressure no if he thought it was too much pressure

to get on the reunion for a show that you get paid for what kind of pressure to are we putting on here no pressure i don't know balls in your court dude come on over no pressure we'll talk to you Yeah, like, well, we'll see what he does. I know he's going to hear this. So come on, bro. And he won't have, I'll say it right now before we get this episode started. He will not have the pleasure of dealing with us three episodes in when we are tired, exhausted. We're going to be on our game.

Oh, we will be well rested for that one. But yeah, dude, come on over. We're ready. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Bros and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good.

Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by one of my favorite goots, reunion Goots. What's up, dude? Sun's still out, brother. No evening. Well, it's technically the evening because it's after five.

But my whole point was I was going to actually bring that back and say, very confused today. I felt a little more sleepy than usual. And I was making coffee earlier. And I noticed that my oven clock was different than my Alexa clock. And then it took me. I knew that spring like we talked about it that spring four was this weekend and I forgot shocker yeah you know me and I stood there for a good amount of time looking at both clocks

like huh that's weird I had I had such a like chill weekend didn't really go out at all like went to the mall Friday when it went to Red Robin Friday night who yeah dude one of the best burgers not gonna lie look I have a secret like love for Red Robin and like It's a cheese sauce that you can go get as much cheese sauce as you want. The fries are not great, but with enough cheese, they're good. But the burgers are good. Here's the thing. Do you like sweet potato fries?

If they're good, yeah, if they're bad. Their sweet potato fries are really good. They're really good. So they do their steak fries, the big fat fries, which they never end up panning out. Nope. They never pan out because they're never crispy enough in the middle. It's just like inconsistent all the way through. Sweet potato fries are shoestring and crispy.

Oh. So they are very good. But anyway, anyway, I picked a great weekend. I'm starving. Yeah, I'm so hungry. That's why we're doing it. This is our third episode in a row. I picked a great weekend to have a daylight savings weekend because I didn't go out and I didn't have that issue of like you go out.

And even if you stay out to like midnight, 1230, you get home, you lose that hour of sleep. You need that hour of sleep. I didn't. I was in bed by 12, fell asleep, woke up at like 9.30, which is like actually 8.30. and I'm like, fuck, 9.30, like late start to the day. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I didn't really even lose that hour. It doesn't put that hour in my back pocket. You skipped daylight saving times, you son of a bitch.

Nicely done, sir. You don't hear that very often. Usually it's, oh, that hour, lost my hour. It is one of the worst things, too, because if you're up late and that 2 o'clock turns into 3 o'clock, you have that panic. Last year, I did that. I was at a friend's house until about like 1.45, getting ready, getting to an Uber. I'm on my way back.

three o'clock dead just immediate dread that sunday scurries just starting up oh god dude not this year not going to get me this year father time not this time you son of a bitch but anyway we're here to talk soho reunion which is that what we're doing that's what we're doing i know we've done a lot of these today but that's what we're doing now and as we said a lot of people have said that they got the shaft myself included yep but we must keep this cast humble for as long as we can because this show is on its way to superstardom we need them humbled for at least one more season and then they will inevitably grow and grow and become too big for the show we'll have another BPR on our hands but enjoy like

next reunion season four reunion is probably going to be in the actual studio they were doing over a million an episode on some of them I know so there's no way that they don't they've done so well you're going to see the boom where there's a lot of people watching in the off season when brava tends to slow down on the summer there's not a lot of housewife shows on you know southern charm is done summer house is done everybody's going to be looking for something and they're going to get talked into soho and that's when next year is going to be the huge boom we're going to see i think we're going to start to start to see a couple of these people think that like they're a little too big for their britches oh yeah act a little different but you'll have the rest of the cast which will

knock them down because they're not doing quite as well and it'll be it'll be it'll be great I think season four is going to be unbelievable. It's going to be great ratings-wise. And they're going to have maybe even a two-part reunion. Maybe we can put that out there. At least for the love of God, don't do the finale and the reunion on the same night ever again. Just stop it. One for our sake is hard.

I'm being selfish for us. It's often. It's hard because we have to do this. Traders, we're not complaining. We're just saying it was a lot. Shooter is. But, you know, what's new? But let's get to the reunion.

And he leads it off with what we already knew. Will came. He's in New York City. He's backstage right now. But he's not coming out here tonight. He can't face the news. He's forced his ass out there. There was,

there's a fucking rule. And I hope they. To this rule. If he can't show. Oh, William? Security guard. Yeah.

Get William. William. William's got me there. Yeah. From Potomac. Yeah. Get him out there. How are you going to show up and sit in the dressing room,

you punk? It's so stupid. But, and then it's so sad to hear Emmy say he's here to support me, but he can't engage in this group anymore. It's like, dude, he's not supporting you at all. He just sent you out for slaughter. You're out there solo to answer for him. He's not supporting you right now. How is this any different from what he did all season?

It's the same exact thing. At the bar with a high noon while you were having a breakdown over girls calling you out saying that you were using your discount and pocketing their money. And then he was sitting out of the bar. did it or not any question if you did it or not that's probably what he's going to do when you walk back in if there's any stink on what they were talking about he's going to ask you if he did anything he's probably sitting back there watching he's probably sitting on his phone he's not paying attention like he's doing law school stuff quote unquote dude like I would have more respect if he just straight up didn't show up and they started it off by saying so he doesn't want

to be on the show anymore and they're like yeah not really cool it's great sitting backstage the softest shit I've ever yeah too like come on and face the music dude it's unbelievable but Andy's response is great he's like oh so he's putting the show then. And she's like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Andy going, uh, king of all of Bravo. He didn't say that. Please don't fire my boyfriend. We need the money. But his question to her is great. And I thought he was pretty on this episode. And he was like, how's it fair that you defended him all season and now you have to do it again? Yep. Like that's the biggest question mark. Like, why are you doing this again on his behalf? He can

answer for himself. He's a big boy. He's a quote, unquote, lawyer or going to be he can he can handle this if you can't handle this the fuck you're going to do in court like that is that is the burning question for the reunion if you can't handle this you can't handle being on a reality tv reunion answering for your own shitty crimes crimes i use lately but crimes because we had to deal with it how are you going to stand up for anybody else yeah how are you going to be a defense attorney what are you going to do a contract lawyer sounds like to me avoid avoid litigation at all costs but We bring up the night before.

Like we talked about in last episode, we were left on this half-ass cliffhanger. It's like, we have this atom bomb to drop. And it's this text chain that proves that Trevor didn't cheat on Maddie with that girl, Sammy, who claimed that she made out with them. And it was this whole thing. They talked about it in the group chat. Yes, it was slimy. It was backdoor shit. It sucks for Maddie.

She's clearly upset about this whole thing. not, and I'm glad she clarified, not because of the Trevor of it all, but because she was gaslit, people were talking shit online, why could you stay with this dude? Why would be given another chance? You moved in with them, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, she has every right to be upset. And the fact, again, again, dude, we come down to what? The timing. It's the timing of it. The night before the reunion, you go to their room and you drop this bombshell on her. Why? Why? We know why. We know what you're trying to do here. what do you think you're going to like it's just it's so ill advised i understand as an idiot you think

this is going to help you because it's going to get people off of your case we're going to spend more time talking about this lie that people were perpetuating that Trevor cheated on mattie he did treat on mattie just not that time so yeah i guess so whatever but it's not going to take anything off of you you and emmy will are still going to have to deal with this it is the main point of the season and he is still going to go after you guys for for what you did, what happened, and try to get to the truth of it all. This is a minor delay, and all you're doing is hurting Maddie, for what? For your own game.

This is the thought process behind it. This is what they were trying to do by dropping this bomb. They were trying to say this group lies about cheating. So they're lying about Will. We have the girl on camera lying about cheating. It's her fault. Correct. This is on Sammy.

This is not randoms. at law school texting the group saying there's some shit going on this is not people saying he was in the bathroom with some chick but they were quote unquote having a hard time because they both lost a friend get the fuck out of here so this is not the same you're trying to point at everyone be like they are known liars when it comes to infidelity so why can we believe him on this it's like because there are two very different scenarios and we've been watching your boyfriend all season and he clearly doesn't like you and yet here we sit you trying to defend him alone while he sits backstage like a little bitch so think what it completely missed the mark all

it was upset mattie it did give brad a chance to take accountability which i appreciated especially because you carry on top of going i'll do what will can't take accountability i went into that season with this knowledge from my client two weeks into filming she lets me know it's not true at that point i didn't know what to do i reached out to the group wasn't sure to move forward decided not to say anything. I'm sorry for my role in it. There isn't, and logically speaking, there isn't a whole lot that you can do at that point because everything is already set in motion. Maddie and Trevor are already fighting about all of this and Maddie's already talking about leaving him. And you guys all, and you're human, you all want Maddie to leave this guy because he's a piece of shit. He doesn't

change that. He's still a piece of shit. And he did a terrible job even explaining the fact that he didn't hook up with this girl. Yeah, it didn't make sense. He probably did something else. So it didn't really matter. But yeah, you probably feel bad about it because you find out that it's false. You didn't falsify it yourself. So, you know, you're not on the chopping block at this point. And you can't just stop the train that's in motion with Maddie getting out because it's going to better her life and you get it. You're still friends with her. And she's probably already basically breaking up with him. What are you going to do? By the way, Maddie, hold on before you break up with Trevor, it's not. Because then that's just going to put her in another year of nonsense with

Trevor that she probably wouldn't want to deal with and she's better off without him. So it is a tough, it's a tough situation to be it i mean the only proof you need is the minute she got away from the guy her career is taking off yeah clearly he's not that good for you if you're not being your best self with him yeah that's the reason why so god dude he'd be living in paradise he'd be telling that he's the opposite of joe he'd be like yeah go on all those gigs when i go on tour later i can stay here and just hook up with all these girls i pick up my bike taxi yeah dude pick him up and then hit on him that's my move all the time but mea brings it up why is this coming out now and the fact that will is calculated in his timing and he's like how's it will i'm saying it because he's not here to defend himself and we've watched him

plant stories with you all season yep do you think when you two are solo talking about something and then you regurgitate what you guys talked about we're not privy to that like what you say and you like the funniest thing she contradicts herself later when she's speaking on his behalf and says well it's my relationship so it's we it's we it's okay well then how now like you can't like it's unbelievable and again points to her mental space right now which i have sympathy for we'll always have sympathy for she's been manipulated by this dude and it really sucks and she tries to say it's the same thing as calling allie's brother or whatever it's like no it's not it's not it's like it just doesn't or no sorry but the one thing i'm very happy about is the fact that joe had

no involvement with this thing because this that could have fucked up everything because it's like oh you want me to break up with him so you had a chance so you lied to me like that yep i was like holding my breath like oh god please please don't i was worried i wasn't really initially worried i hadn't even thought about that until i saw him like put his hand on hers and she didn't pull away and i'm like all right so at least joe's not going to throw another bus because then i could see it then i started spiral in my own head i'm like oh fuck that would be such a bad look for joey the prom king and queen are broken up no yeah no we can't do that We knew they were still together, though.

Yes. So, yeah, thankfully, it had nothing to do with Joe because that would have been a terrible look. And I do think that, like, in the grand scheme of things, everybody kind of took accountability. Like, if you're going to be able to take a note, Will, if you're going to be able to sit up on a reunion stage and take accountability, that's honestly the best thing you can do on a show like this. Sandoval had a borderline redemption arc on the traders. Yeah. If he can climb out of it, he's not really redeemed at all. But if he can have an enjoyable season.

easy pal if he can have a you're going to catch a lot of shit but if he can have an enjoyable season like we've watched absolute mayhem at reunions for things that people have done much worse than this and they sat there and took their beating it's part of the contract this is part of your job if you can't do it don't send your girlfriend out there to take the fucking brunt for you that makes no sense to me that's why i keep coming back to the that he must want Emmy to just break up with him because if you wanted to and you just cheated on your girlfriend but you still want to be with her or at least you're like diluted into thinking you still want to be with her and you still have a chance you would take the accountability because everything that I've seen from Emmy this year and last year is that she's going to stand by you no matter what no matter literally no matter what if you admitted to the cheating or maybe like a we'll go the opposite of what Austin said you go and say it was a soft cheat not a hard cheat not a hard cheat maybe you kissed her in the bathroom and then you're like

oh my god what have i done you admit to that the rumors start to go away your friends might start to accept you back in and emmy's not going anywhere she's going to stand right by you if you think she's going to put herself through all of this this season and a little soft cheat's going to push her away no so i just don't think that he wants to be with her he's hoping that this just results in her breaking up with him and then he can be like look the rumors were false but she still broke up with me it was too much i wish her the best that's what he wants that 100 percent Brad's been saying it all season. You and I have been saying it all season.

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record come on i mean look she likes to have fun jo's a fun attractive young man shit happens you know what but the fact that he was you know took accountability said i didn't mean to uh put daniel on a weird spot like the whole thing whatever at least he took accountability once again the theme of the show is people taking accountability how about for the one person that really needs to take accountability but we talk about the one year plan Joe still feels the same says the timing worked in our favor I'm not really sure what that means yeah but you know just just listen to Brad everything's great just fucking leave it until it blossoms just let it ride it's so good it's just it's such a weird thing to say it

and like I'm trying my hardest to figure out what he meant and I maybe they have an event they're six months in according to him so maybe there's a wedding or something I don't know Oh, man. Yeah, they're a way. They're already married. Look, if and when they get married, married, the biggest misstep they could possibly take is not having Elvis be their actual officiant.

That's a good point, yeah. They need to have that guy make a comeback. He's around somewhere. He never died. He's, oh, the Elvis, Elvis Elvis? Real Elvis, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's probably with Biggie and Pock down in the Bahamas somewhere.

No, they're dead. Just all right, fine. Elvis, who's much older than them is alive, but they're, okay, cool. Anyway, T.J. and Joe, we talk about that whole situation. And as we did, as many people did, Andy gives both of them props for doing it on camera. It was a powerful scene. It obviously is a sensitive subject, especially being in Joe's shoes, where he's admitting that this actually happened, which I was proud of him as well, because it did happen.

And also, that scene was so important for you and I as we were watching it, because up until that point, We were like, dude, TJ, this is kind of fucked up. We didn't recognize, you know, he has thoughts, feelings, and emotions about this night that he's not allowed to talk about, which doesn't seem fair. So him holding on to that must have been really difficult, the fact that he was able to talk about it with Joe, Joe was able to be open enough to have this conversation with TJ. They were able to air it out a little bit to come back and be friends again, which is important because I do like their friendship, which we'll get you in a second. but I did think that was a cool scene. I am proud of both of them for their part in these scenes.

But as we find out, things took a turn after the season aired. And you can kind of see why TJ said a lot of mean shit and confessionals. Joe didn't really. Joe didn't talk a whole lot of shit on TJ. He talked a lot

about how he misses their friendship and wishes that things could go back. But he wasn't taking a lot of he wasn't really looking for what the actual issue was he thought for whatever reason in his mind it was all about the luan thing and then he had the conversation with tj and it's like all right maybe you could self reflect on that but instead he just watched tj go through this whole season talking shit on him which he did he did and tj had feelings about it but i think that andy you said that andy had a great job

or did a great job during this reunion i think he did too he mediated the hell out of this going back and forth and i think this is such an important thing for the group to have because you could tell off the rip Joe was emotional, missed. Like he said fuck every two words. And he was going at TJ. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck happened here? Like, he's talking shit on you in confessionals. You guys weren't cool.

Now you're cool. You have to let that shit slide at something. Got to let it go. I know it probably stings to hear and like to bring up the rumors that you clearly had to deal with for a long time in town. The funniest part of this whole thing is the fact that JT. he j t of southern charm is the one that got back to joe that people t j was talking shit calling him gay that is unreal remarkable that that idiot has invaded this show once again doing what he's in trouble for on southern charm for doing a picture that they showed to oh yeah it wasn't his headshot like it's

not him like candid it's a headshot from his lincoln no i wasn't even thinking that I was like his mom took him to like Macy's to get headshots done. Oh my God, Sears. That's exactly what I'm like, oh, smile, Jared. Jared, I paid $50 for these.

Hey, this is, I mean, look, it's Charleston. We always say this, but we do need to modernize Charleston at some point. If you are over the age of 35,

stay out of the 20 year old's business. Just stop talking about them. I know that you guys think you want to be friends and like the older guys are hanging out with the younger guys thinking they're all the same age

you're not you look like a fucking loser stop doing this if you hear a rumor about somebody who's 27 28 years old shut up you just shut up you don't you shouldn't care

you just shouldn't care because it's not involving you you should care about thinning hair and you know maybe getting fat or something maybe like you're leading a wonderful woman on and saying that you don't really have a relationship but you do a relationship like yeah

JT stay out of of this. Yeah, maybe just shut up. I don't know. Like shut up and do grown-up things like a grown-up thing. He's got to be done with Bravo. He's got to be done with Bravo. God, I hope so.

I don't need him back on our screens. He's not even entertaining in any way, shape, or form. But TJ's denying that he told everybody. I don't think he was going around telling everybody. I think that if we've learned anything from Charleston's got out of hand. You tell one person in Charleston, you're arguably telling everybody. And it appears that the food and web industry in Charleston knows, they all know each other. They all know each other.

he made the mistake too of he should have just copped to telling Maddie to he's like we know that you told Maddie we talked about it in the pool and all you said was yeah no I just I basically just told Brad it's like no Maddie calls you out immediately and then once you stay that it speaks to your credibility

and then it's like okay I heard this from TJ directly it just gets so messy like you don't have to say that yeah I was up on a soapbox talking about how Joe is probably gay because of the moment we had together you just have to say look it got away from me i was really emotional about it i talked to a couple of people about it i tried to keep it close to the chest but it really fucked me up and i think that people would have sympathy for you and let it go but instead if you lie and say you didn't tell a bunch of people

then it's like yeah no it didn't look great on them and and he asks you know if you thought you're in love with them like wouldn't this push him further away and joe's under the impression that he was trying to sabotage his other relationships and hopes that maybe he would have a chance or something like that i i again pivot back to what we said last episode tj's a very emotional dude sure it appears when he gets activated that's his his defense mechanism is to get messy i don't think he's ill-intentioned i think that's just his defense he's like i never thought that i always thought that he was acting out of pure emotion and i look i think that the biggest takeaway from all of this is what andy said like you guys both have emotions you guys both have feelings on this and different perspectives

Yep. Joe, have you ever thought about what TJ's going through with that moment and how conflicted he was? No. T.J. Have you ever thought about how Joe might be affected by you telling other people that he might be gay? No. Okay. Get together and talk about it. That's really all it is and that's what we were seeing kind of play out in real life is two people with very different perspectives on life, very different lives overall going through something, a moment that happens that affected both of them directly. And it's just tough to watch. But I thought that they had a good breakdown of the whole thing. I did too. And, you know, Leva jumping in, reiterating the same thing.

It's like, both feelings are valid. You guys are just missing each other on this one. And Brad, who was like the voice of reason, Brad had a great reunion. Yeah, credible reason. He's like, he points out that, you know, there's a lot of, but, you know, oh, really? I didn't mind it. He didn't earn his pinstripes.

You know, you got to earn your pinstripes. Yeah, it's a Yankees reference. Yeah, it's a Yankees reference. That sucks. I don't want to talk about them. I don't want to talk about them at all. But, like, I had to do it. If I'm going to call out of the pinstripes, then it has to go there.

Season four. Season four, you got pinstrives. Get out of the friends there and you get some pinstrives. Well, yeah, there you go, pal. But he points out that there's a lot of straight seeming guys that push that shit down. He says in the South, I'm glad Andy goes everywhere, by the way. And they deflect. And I think that the biggest issue here was the fact that they were close friends, whereas in other situations, it might be an acquaintance or might be somebody run into

at a bar you don't know them that well but they have such a big history together so that when they had this moment it spoke to a lot more and you know when they ask like how's it going like where you guys stand now tj starts to cry and he's like the friendship is weird again after he watched this season and this is the the part of it that you know this is such a weirdly nuanced situation because of the emotions that go into it right he's like you don't know what it's like for me and it's like no joe doesn't we don't we will never understand that so yeah that has to be really hard that you had this moment with somebody you love that you've been a friend with for a long time is confusing is he giving you signals is it is it just a one-off like what just happened

but you can't talk about it because you can't out him potentially so you have to sit on those feelings meanwhile joe can wipe his hands and walk away because he's expecting tj not to say anything and at the same time he doesn't have to address it now so it is like was tj wrong for the way he went about it yeah absolutely was joe wrong for not being able to understand like oh shit he has feelings on this too yeah yeah so that's where like like you said earlier go ahead go ahead i was going to say like you said earlier joe you got to watch those scenes man and yeah understand that you guys are cool now like you got past that you knew he was doing this it's just watching it clearly stung a little bit more right but it's not anything you didn't know he was doing you know what i

No. And I think that you can even go further than that because what I was just going to say is, and I don't think this is like premeditated at all. I think it's just circumstantial or coincidental or whatever it may have been. TJ opens up about his experience when he's sitting with Michael in the nail salon earlier in the season talking about his experiences with straight seemingly straight men who do this where they cross over and they think that they might want to be gay or whatever they might want to be. And they're not really sure. and then TJ has to sit with that and figure it out afterwards when they ghost him when they don't talk to him anymore when they act like it doesn't happen for that to happen then to one of his best friends somebody who he has to sit with every day somebody who he has to see every day who he's friends with that's a lot tougher so i feel like for joe to be able to go back and watch that season like yeah you can look at the confessionals and say like yeah i can't believe that he said those things about me what the fuck like that's fair that's valid whatever but also go back and watch that scene

and see how tj how those things affect tj and then amplify it by fucking 50 because you're his best friend like it's insane so you need to understand where he's coming from so i feel like once they do gain that perspective for both of them i'm not saying that you know it's just joe that needs to gain it tj does too he needs to realize it should just be a wash it should it'll eventually be a wash but you know it's probably healthier for them to work through the emotions than just wash it out look they'll be fine the fact that joe even said i think i'm really proud of this conversation it's just complicated like there's definitely a path forward it's just raw emotion after watching everything he's probably fuck you dude it's like i get it but at the same time like this is

not new information and you guys buried the hatchet it's time to move forward you don't need to hang on to this one for another season but we get to mattie and g lily and what's g lilly up to we get the the scene of her you know of mattie saying that doesn't do much anymore and she is starting a just this sentence is tough for me she's starting OGL original Grace Lily

fashion line it is a burning man fashion line which is a dream she's had she was a little girl as every little girl dreams as my eight year old daughter tells me daddy I can't wait to go to burning man yep

don't we all we all have that phase just seems that grace Lily never graduated for that phase she said shot don't child has a dream of burning man they don't know what it is like i don't know if no i've never even remotely wanted to go to a music festival like burning man or anything like it sounds like i would just be miserable even when i drank one where everybody got stranded yeah because

it rained oh cochella didn't it rain and then like the getting out was a nightmare burning man they burn the big man or whatever i don't know i have no interest in doing any of that not that's insight that you can only get at bros and shell they burn that big wooden man i don't fucking know i don't really care but like i don't know if a burning man fashion line would be successful or not it's just the fact that she was like sure i'm sure she could make a quick buck while she's at burning man but like yeah then only happen once a year i don't know i burning men do they have burning men in other burning men plural it's burning man how to do you know i have no idea but like my childhood

dream of being a burning man fashionista is finally coming true i don't fucking know but she's defending her singing because mollie makes a joke and she's like i can sing like amy winehouse i was just talking sexy like i always do and i'm telling you it's wearing thin on me it's wearing thin i'm not into it i think it's annoying i'm like i'm not i'm not in full circle for anybody who's listening to this that has watched us and listened to us since the beginning when we started soho two years ago it's like two and a half years ago i guess at this point we both actually no it was mostly me that hated Grace Lily. And then I came around to her and I really haven't looked back.

You are now getting to the point. You're getting close. I'm over it. The stick is old. The stick is old. Being a bad friend. The stick doesn't bother me again. Look, we actually did this earlier in the season.

When Grace Lily would pop her head in, people would ask us questions. We need more Grace Lily. She needs to be a main stay on the show. And I said, no. Keep her where she is. Let her pop in and out and just be fun. And then she goes away. See, she got too involved.

She got too involved. I'm out. You got to involve him out. That's a good point. It's a really good point. But apparently Joe says, you know, she's been really great recently and that's why I was so upset is, you know, I see all this potential in you and what a good friend you can be. So just step it up.

That's why I came at you at Vegas. Maybe not see the potential in the Burning Man line. I guess not. Maybe he's investing. You don't know. Maybe that's why he can't buy a car. He's all of his money. He's all of his money.

OGL. I'm not very liquid right now. I've got a lot of assets in Burning Man clothing. I've got my car fund tied up in Burning Man. clothes. Let me tell you, it's burning a hole through my wallet. Whoa. But, uh, hey now. But anyway, Grace apparently left Republic because of the whole Eva situation.

It got that bad where she had to leave. Leva said that there's a conversation that needs to be had. If she comes back, something tells me we'll see her back in Republic next season. That makes the most sense. No, she's just Maddie's roommate as far as I know. Yeah. So we don't know about that. But I would imagine she'll be back in some capacity.

There's no way. you know i know level likes to do like the the cliff hang like we'll see and it's like i think she'll be back back i think so too but i'm glad that she at least had the foresight to be like or i guess the hindsight hindsight i episode three episode three pal my brain is a mush i'm trying the fact that she can say that boing o'sheen was really stupid if she could take it back she would definitely take it back that that whole thing just kind of messed her up she lost her public she lost friends whatever so good finally it took you a year and a half to get so wait you lost your public you lost your friends and you still brought on the prom that's why i don't like her yes

yeah bro like what what's wrong with you that doesn't make any sense it does she's had time to think about it it just takes her a little while she's buffers takes her a year and a half yeah good we got There's a lot going on. Sheesh, but the Oshin and Maddie rumor comes up about the, you know, the stuff that happened in Tulum, if you will, okay? The moment. And the moment, if you, the, the, how fun. One shining moment.

Yeah. Sure. Whatever you want to say about it. Do you want to go? You done yet? Can I keep going? I was going to sing one shining moment, but yeah. Good now.

Grace us with that, please. It's March. Yeah, just wait a baby. maybe but uh she says that or she maintains that yes that did happen which is crazy especially given the following minute that happens right after this i love joe's retort he's like am i going to believe somebody or am i going to believe my best friend and confidant or someone that said they saw bob marley and jesus two weeks ago i'm like that's really all you need to say great point you can drop you don't even respond to anything else you just completely

completely won it over and you know she's still like i still believe it and then she goes well something happened it's like yeah we know because she said that in a confessional last season that they had a moment in toulomb moment in toulom does not equate to fallatio necessarily it could be a number of things such as a spooch which is what i do believe happened i don't think she has seen if you go to the other charleston show we've got sally that says that she sucked the guy's dick in the parking lot a little bit just a little bit just a little like we've got that going for us now we've got a moment that's lower on the scale so we've got a scale where we've got the workings of a scale of a charleston scale the charleston scale we'll get there we'll continue

to build we'll keep building this up so we always know where we stand as far as uh weird moments uh but they are still friends somehow somehow she just accused you again she just accused you again you're like we're right what it's just it's what i said in in the finale episode she's just so like getting to a point where mattie's like whatever i think that mattie mattie's a good person she probably realizes if i'm not friends with her anymore she's she's got nobody so at least i can just be her friend that's a tough the answers every like 10th text message yeah it's a tough spot to be in answers whatever just the important things and then caesar every once in a while that's probably where they

are and they're still friends and it's enough for grace lately because she's diluted so it doesn't really matter that's i don't know but we get to michael's and like both of whom had a great great first season amazing addition to this cast both of them obviously i cried during the scene. I think if you, like, how could you not? He immediately, immediately, when, when Andy sets up the scene, starts crying. And he lets us know, he's like, I really thought sharing my story would help my relationship with my mom.

And she hasn't reached out once. And he's barely hanging on right now. And I was like, holy shit, this is like the saddest thing I've ever seen. I thought Andy once again was outstanding in this moment. Perfect. Yeah. Highlighting, like, the positive. of things because he's like, well, who else reached out?

And he's like, well, my aunt reached out. My sister reached out. Who else did he say? His uncle reached out. He's having dinner with his brother the following night with Preston, which is awesome. So highlighting that stuff I thought was really cool. And I just, I can't imagine. And I obviously we'll never have to go through this.

But he's sitting in bed with Preston watching screeners of the show and gets to a scene where he's speaking on his story and just Paul. it and broke down sobbing like oh my god what did i just do like this is out there now it's real like just the fact that he was this raw with us the entire season i thought was really impressive like the fact that these fucking 22 now is banana land to me because he's so goddamn mature i thought it was i actually forgot about this from the finale when preston and him were talking and like they're talking about exclusivity and preston brings up the fact like yeah i wasn't really sure if there's like an issue with the age gap and they showed 26 to 22

And I'm like a lot of age gap conversations, but TJ's older. So yeah, there wasn't a problem there because Michael's is very mature. But this was I wasn't and yeah, I mean, obviously you can be very sad during the scene. I was pissed off because his mom sounds like a fucking loser. Like yeah, I was unbelievable asshole. His whole life and the fact that he's able to like grow up into the person that he is and be this mature, this open. And like, yeah, it sounds like he wasn't really sure that he knew the ramifications of talking about it national TV of the fact that everybody's going to know about it and there's people going to be

texting his mom when he gets into it a second it sounds like he didn't know about all of that but he was still willing to share which is a lot yeah just willing to share in front of a camera is insane so the fact that he's able to grow up into this person that we watched on this show this year is crazy given the circumstances of how he was raised with that mom with somebody who just didn't let him shine didn't let him do what he wanted to do didn't let him become the person that he wanted to be he was able to become this person through all of that adversity like that's insane it's it's a it's completely commendable it's extremely commendable and on top of that you know when you look at what he did this season the pros massively outweigh the cons and i know that's probably hard for him to to understand in

the moment just because of the feeling of loss from his mother the fact that he reached out to her and her response was why are people calling me about you being gay and he texted her like i did a tv show and I didn't do it straight like you would have wanted me to. And he said, like, I'm never going to be good enough for you. And her response was, you kissed a man on TV. Like, it's so shitty and it's such a short, fucking narrow-minded way to think. And it's just really sad to hear. But the pros, like I said, the pros massively outweigh the cons.

Because what he was probably able to do for so many people watching this show, for people that are going through similar life events, for people that are unsure, The strength that he showed, the maturity that he showed, the openness and the willingness to discuss it was so fucking impressive that I'm sure that he helped countless, countless, countless people. He even talks about the response was so incredible. So I can't imagine what that's like to lose your mother pretty much. You know, and it's still alive.

And the fact that he was able to stay strong and still push through and be true to himself. Like, I will say this now that the season's over. he is the newcomer of the year oh by far yeah we can't shake that anymore no he's the best addition to bravo in recent years like the what he was able to do with his first season is fucking super start him like he has it right with your head and i'm just it was it's so impressive that this kid was able to come on this show and do what he did so yeah that's up the night summer's here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with uber eats what do we mean by almost when you can't get a well-groom lawn delivery

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Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. But let's get to Lake, who also had a great season. And when you put these two side by side, I also think it's interesting when you see where she is. Because it's a different path. It's a similar journey, but she's taking a different approach to this whole, thing and she also has a really good statement she's like look my dad and i talk every day no father wants to hear about their child sex life like obviously and straight people don't have to come out

so why do i fair absolutely that's the way that you want to do it that's your life it's your prerogative you know we watch michael's try to press her a little bit he quickly realized like not ready okay back off but watching her go through her own battle with it and watch your own journey with this whole thing also be able to mix up with people i love when she gets a little bit and just like, we're not going to talk about this? Fuck that. Yeah. And just throws it out there.

Like, she had a great season. So I think with these two newcomers, I think that they have a right future. I'm excited for what they're going to do next. And we get to the Brad stuff. This is just a funny little back. It is a funny little quip. Who friend zoned who is really what this comes down to? Because Brad's like, I love his take.

He's like, look, man, I just realized that it wasn't going to be much of a thing. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to back off. and we'll just be friends friends on look i think lake lost this one i think that it could have been a draw could have just been wherever it was i think lake lost this one because she threw out the girlfriend allegation that i know i know i don't throw that out there brad brad was prepped for that too he was like what he was he was no idea oh you mean the one that we weren't exclusive and she was hooked up with other people too i was like oh it was good it was like she's here he's like she's

going out to dinner with us tonight we're dating now and then mad he's like when you start dating august boom so yeah like i love that she's like a little butt hurt when i kissed that dude, uh, took that guy back to my room in Vegas. And, uh, yeah, I got pure pressure into kissing you. Because she walked up to that guy and she's like, I really like your style. That guy's style sucked. That was, yeah, I didn't, I didn't care for it. Yeah, it was like a modern day affliction shirt, like come on. Yeah, that's, oh, God, we're that old. There's modern day affliction. Oh, yeah, I just dated us. Yeah, nice job, dude. Nice job. But let's get to the main course. Will and Emmy. Don't worry, guys. You're not going to

get a whole lot of answers here. It's a lot of placating inside. stepping but watching the montage back of the whole season if you don't feel for Emmy a little bit I don't think you have a heart like yeah and also knowing that she watched the same shit

and still has this outlook on the relationship is wild to me and again Will is here but won't come out I can't this is the craziest line it's so fucking nuts Will is here but can't come out

because mentally he can't take it but you're thriving through this you are hanging on by an invisible thread right now maintaining any kind of composure how does that conversation go like we're in the dressing room emmy's getting ready to go out she's been doing this the whole season standing up for you nothing that emmy did was wrong except if you're on the believing side of you know she's wrong to stay with will which you know she is but she nothing she's doing for herself is wrong you're sitting in that dressing room talking about it she's going out there as she always does to go defend you to go defend all of her actions for the season to go defend all of your actions and you sit there and say i don't think i can handle it i've just had too much too much what nine to five too much of what

too much nine to five he's still tired is he sitting in an at arondack chair again he just wants to sit down at the prom yeah they have adirondack chairs from the salt lake reunion so he's popped up in one of fucking insane that like you can actually sit there get there in new york get there into the studio sit there get ready and you're not going to go out there no again you're going to go watch dude it's just go support just sit and shut up don't even say anything just i want to play loser marchion lynch pull a marshawn lynch pull a marsha i'm here so don't get fined i'm here to support her he is the type of person that deserves to get bullied like i hope he goes back to law school and gets even more bullied now he's bravo boy because he deserves it the fact that you let her go

No, he doesn't even deserve Bravo Boy. Bravo Boy is a good thing. This is not. Yeah, bitch boy works. Okay, fine. Joe speaks up and says, well, what about your mental health? Because he's been through some hard shit on this show. We've watched him go through it.

We watched him show up. So this is no different. And the fact that he can't come out here is pretty nuts. And he says it's heartbreaking that he didn't show up. And now you have to do this again on your own. And I don't know why she can't see that part of it. Somebody speaks up, I think it's Mia, but the sentiment is, maybe it was Leva. I don't know.

It could have even been Andy, but they say, I don't remember because I was looking down. I just heard and I just wrote it down. But everyone just wants transparency. And you always act like everything's cool when they bring things up. You guys act like you're unbothered. Everything's wonderful. And you never respond calmly. You always just freak out and accuse other people of lying or stirring up shit instead of

hearing your friends talk about it to the point that we got to bring up the shit talking around town and and he's like why is it wrong for friends to sit you down and say hey we're concerned about this and she's like well i'm not denying that like will hurt me but what hurt me more what hurt me more than the man you want to marry talking all about you body shaming you saying you're anorexic all of these things what bothered you more is that they waited three months to tell you at a dinner table and that they did it at the dinner table it's like nabra michael's tried to talk to you on the side and also they weren't going to bring it up because nobody wants to tell you that your boyfriend's talking smack but he keeps doing stupid shit and he's forcing

their hand once again your issue is not with this group that tried to have your back your issue is with that little bitch sitting in the back room right now because he's too afraid to come out and face the mess that he caused and you get left out on an island having to defend his actions in a crazy way that's what's how that's what's moving you to spiral and the fact that she's still sitting here doing the same thing and this has been months and months later and you're now at the reunion and you've been online on message boards on Twitter on Instagram posting him constantly defending him and you're still doing it you still have the energy to sit here and stand up for him and nobody's coming at you directly they're going at your relationship that's

some phantom thing out there that's not an attack on your character it's trying to warn you they're not doing it for the TV show they're not doing it for their own interests they're yeah they don't want to do it that's the biggest takeaway is they are so dumb with it they don't want to deal with it anymore if andy says yeah you didn't come out to the reunion you can't be on the show anymore everybody would be ecstatic just absolutely ecstatic because maybe it's not the best thing for you and if you want to go away you and will can go away you can see everybody you know you still work there whatever but not be on the show I think everybody else would be happy because they can finally just focus on the other the fun things that are going on not this shit because

every time they talk about it she spirals and freaks out nobody wants to deal with that nobody wants to send you in a spiral either like nobody wants to cause you to emotionally break down that's not the goal of a friend but you keep putting them in spots not you but your boyfriend keeps putting them in spots where they they literally feel like they have no other recourse than to bring it up because they're trying to do the right thing it's believe it or not it's not for the show it doesn't feel like it's for the show. It feels like it's for your health and well-being, and you keep turning a blind eye to it. T.J. has an issue, which I'm 50-50 on this one. He's like, I'm hurt that we were so close. He didn't tell me about this. It's like, well, you know, at the end of the day,

it's her prerogative if she wants to get you involved or not, even if you are some of those friends. I get what he's saying, but I'm not going to, like, fault her for not bringing him into it because maybe she was trying to keep a lid on. Like, who knows? I don't know what the thought process there is. Well, it was about the brunette girl, because they're were talking about it but like that's where it goes 50-50 for me because tj dug up that information like went out of his way to find the information if any already knew about it she probably just didn't want to add more fuel to the fire and talk about this and already have an answer prepared for something that they didn't bring up yet so they probably already talked about it and just left it like

hey let's not bring this up because i don't want people talking about this even more but tj brought it up so like you can't also be upset that she didn't tell you in the first place when you were behind everybody's back digging up the information like no that's that's another wash just whatever yeah i agree with that but the whole thing that she's maintaining this entire time is that she would have at some point been cool with the conversation with somebody no you wouldn't when we saw you time and time again you weren't going to have this conversation you were going to blindly defend yep get super super emotional about it which i'm not faulting you for but like you had a break down every time the conversation came people try to do it one-on-one people try to do it in a group

when you say they don't have the right to do in a group they do because everyone at that table has heard something about your boyfriend so everybody at that table is involved and they're involved because of your boyfriend therefore they get to have a say in this whole thing because they're in an uncomfortable spot that will put them in that's that's the root of all of those it's it's frustrating that you can't see it she's like if tj came to me in Vegas i would have been receptive no you fucking wouldn't you guys were like running and trying to get away from everybody will went to that breakfast and said that he was getting bullied it's the stupidest shit and then mea she's like i didn't you know me and i weren't best friends so like i didn't trust her it's like what like

if if there's an even more of a reason it's like she why would she bring this up to you if she's like a third party like i would trust her more than somebody closer to it what does she have to gain from getting involved, especially Mia, who doesn't like to get involved, unless it gets to a point that she's irritated with it and has to force the issue. That's all it is. It makes sense. No, but I mean, again, and this is pretty much par for the course for the entire season, anytime that Emmy is just making zero sense, it just goes to speak to where she is mentally.

This is where she's gotten to. She's at her wit's end, and instead of taking it out on Will and breaking up with him to better herself, she's deciding to align herself with Will because he's the only one who, who's got her best interest in mind everybody else they're evil they're going after me for their own game they're not at all they're trying to get you away from the root cause of your issues think about it this way and obviously it's impossible to talk to somebody like this but think about it this way if you weren't with will and you were just doing your own thing how much happier would you be did you talk about anything else that like what's going on with emmy nothing

i'm asking you generally what is going on in emmy's life will will that's it will there is nothing else Wouldn't it be nice to just talk about all season? Like, yeah, a couple of confessionals. You know, I just decided to stop drinking. You know, I've been feeling a lot better, go to the gym a lot more, doing this and that. And I feel like I'm not getting bogged down by everybody else's shit because I'm able to just, like, go out and have fun, do my own thing, still get home and feel rested. Cool. That's great.

You can still bring some fun. You can be part of the group. Great. That's awesome. Instead, you're the main focal point. In a year where you gave up drinking, where you bettered yourself, your mental capacity is to shit. because of somebody else because you're answering for somebody else like it's just it's always insane and this doesn't just go for tv shows but it's always insane to me with like people just

cannot see that and just won't address it or figure it out like yeah it's frustrating it's extremely extremely frustrating that's us as podcasters imagine being friends with that i know that would be really really irritating to be friends with that but what was interesting it's like who believes the rumor and not that many people held up their hands. I was like, oh, interesting. So either they just don't want to get involved, which I think is probably more of it, because Brad didn't raise his hand, but then Brad goes over it.

Yeah, because Brad didn't raise his hand, but goes on to say, like, oh, so text about a brunette from law school, from peeps at law school is all just bullshit. Like, you believe that? I'm like, oh, so you do believe the rumor. Did he say, raise a hand? No, I said peeps. Okay. I write down. That's a steelism. Yeah, because it's

easier and faster to write than people. And I took a billion notes today. I feel like a stenographer sometimes. I have like my own handwriting now almost. But Emmy breaks down in that moment. And Lake, Lake's like, girl,

and she's like, shut the fuck up. But like, honestly, dude. But that is where everybody is. And Lake, once again,

Lake has been some weird voice of reason, probably for like the cast and pretty much generally how everybody else is feeling. Everybody's just like, God. Again, like, come on Emmy.

Honestly. And here's where I'll give grace some credits. Like, maybe this career is not for you. And it's like, yeah, maybe it's not. You know, and like, yeah, it's a weird dig, but it was fucking great. It was great timing. It's like, yeah, you know what? Maybe you can't handle this.

You know, like, that's the whole thing. But Emmy saying nobody's relationship could survive this unless it was super strong. It's like, or if somebody is super manipulated and delusional and believing their boyfriend over literally everyone else in your life, including your goddamn sister, who was like making every face in the world when you were trying to rationalize with her. And then you drop that when you get older, it's like, no, when you, when you wise up maybe, I don't know. But the whole

thing was so freaking frustrating. And I had to take notes. I ran out of pages. So my daughter drew me this, which is really sweet. That's nice. I had to take notes on them. It says boves because we love the movie home. The movie home, if you haven't watched it, is a phenomenal

movie. It doesn't say boobs, you idiot. You boob? You boob. You're being a boob. Oh, God. Dead Boves, because we all like the movie Home, which is about aliens on Earth called Boves. And that's what we call ourselves. We're the Boove family. So Poppy drew that for me.

So I had to take a couple of notes on the back. But you guys are aliens? Yeah. We're the Boves. I'm Big Daddy Boof. I didn't know I knew any. Poppy is Poove and Devin is Dove. And then Louie is Louvre and Scotty is Scoove.

Scoove, I like. Yeah, we actually say. Yeah. yeah it's we our group chat is called the boves but anyway let's get back to finish this up emmy advocates for will again and leva steps in and says dude you got to stop carrying will's feelings and will's pain what about you we're talking that she did it under the guise of like hey stop doing this if you want your relationship to continue because this will put a strain on your relationship that will end it now all of us have have been saying end the relationship for your

own mental well-being but i like that leva's still kind of staying out of it by like tip showing in a little bit, like, hey, you guys want to be strong together forever and, you know, get into a marriage, you got to stop worrying about what he's going through. 100%. 100%. And, you know, that wraps up with Molly saying, like, I see so much potential in you, pretty much saying you're being held back by this dude. So stop being held back by this dude.

And move on. Thanks for checking in Molly. Yeah, Molly at the end with one line, you know, but it was a good reunion. And like I said, we got no answers as far as Emmy and Will go. Yeah. We got answers for a lot of other things, which I'm glad about. They did do a nice job of wrapping up the season. But I thought, like, the main thing we were focused on, we are in the same exact spot as we were before.

It just seems like people are fed up with it now and they don't want to get involved. That's where it feels we're at. So I'll have to see where they go from here. But let's get to some questions. And then our three episode day is over. First off, shout out JT. Inc. You bros got this. Oh, it was dicey.

It was dicey there for a little sketchy there for a minute, but we got through it. All right. Let's see. Am I on the right one even? Oh, well, that's why I didn't. Oh, here we go. Yeah, I found it. I found it now from Calder McGriff.

Why wasn't it two parts? Seems so rush. Humble. Stay humble. Keep humble. Keep him humble. Humble. For the love of God.

uh from k nfg do you think will didn't show because he couldn't keep his lies straight yes yeah i think he cracks under pressure which you know this is not good for his lawyer resume which goes right into y y c underscore chick how is will going to be anyone's lawyer if he can't even defend himself we don't know correct like i said he's going into contract law hell yeah from marcy chris senti go birds damn right go birds super bowl champs greatest team in the world right uh from nicky mono 23 will you buy anything from ogl original grace lily festival clothing line no uh i'll invest yeah yeah we already did we're we're both out we already dead yep yep from grasp out mattie overreacting question mark i i think it was such an emotionally charged issue for so long to find out that you weren't

crazy is probably it's probably a whole mix of emotions that's going on there that i don't know i don't think she overreacted yeah uh from brian j mcg emmy and will's little reunion stunt at mattie scumbag move or justified self-defense scumbag move what self-defense was that it didn't all timing that is it's all timing if it popped up honestly if it popped up at any point this season it's scumbag move they're just trying to get the heat off of them but i don't know if it came out last year, like the two weeks afterwards when Brad texted everybody and they outed them, that's fine. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. And two more from Chandler-Randler. Who won the season, MVP and LVP? MVP for me is Michaels. Michaels. LVP is Will. That's obvious. That's an easy one.

And the last one, just because it points to the whole season, their whole relationship, from Max June, why isn't Emmy mad at will for not being with her at the reunion? And that is the question to sum it all up in a nutshell. Once again, you're left out on an island and you have no anger for him who's leaving you out here, but all of your anger is at the group of people that tried to help out when they heard some shitty rumors. Yeah. Just because we're like Bravo experts, doesn't mean.

According to Ryan Bailey. It doesn't mean that we, I'm so happy we brought that back. it doesn't mean that we understand crazy because I don't get it and we'll just go crazy if we try to understand crazy you know what I'm saying? It's just you know I feel I'll say it is

why you so close you want to kiss? Because the episodes no shut up I don't even have the energy for you right now I'm just saying I will reiterate once more like I do feel bad for I do I think that she

she's in a fucking disastrous relationship and she's blinded by this dude and it sucks And I'm not saying that at a certain point, you don't have to figure it out. Yeah, exactly. Cougar. It is what it is. It sucks.

But the status part is one day, it could be one year, it could be 20 years. Like, she'll figure it out at some point. And hopefully it's not. Yeah, hopefully it's sooner or other than later. Agreed. Before it gets legal, then you're married and kids. Before you get the government involved. Yeah, dude.

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