Bros & Shows - Will's Just Not That Into You... (Southern Hospitality Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

What's up Bros? Southern Hospitality is awesome. In this episode we're back at Lake Wylie. Maddi lets Joe know that TJ seems open to talking. Lake and Brad are heating up a little bit but Lake isn't chasing after him, and we love that move. Steel has a theory that Molly is going to try to slide in and steal Brad but that remains to be seen... Michols attempts to have calm conversation with Emmy addressing the comments made by Will. Once again she dismisses it all and points blame elsewhere leaving Michols dejected. The topic comes up again at the dinner table and Emmy loses it. She sticks up for Will and defends him. She questions everyones loyalty, despite the fact that it is Will's fault for dragging the group into this by bad-mouthing Emmy all across Charleston to whoever is willing to listen. Emmy ends up leaving early, leaving everyone still concerned about her. The root of it all being, nobody wants them to break up, they just recognize that a conversation NEEDS to be had. Joe Bradley gets a concussion by swimming headfirst into the pool wall and he and TJ finally sit down to hash things out. All things. From Luann to that infamous night in TJ's bed 3 years ago... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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than after a big birds win, to which I have to question you, sir, how you feeling? Not great. I have seen way better days. Look, I gave it my all yesterday. I just left it all out there on the field. They will be hanging my jersey in the rafters next week in the interim between the now in the Super Bowl. So that's going to be really cool for me.

Wasn't sure if I was going to make it through the day. But here we are. You know, here we are. Fans and shows, pros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Those and shows. I got to have me my brothers and shows.

Good evening, everybody. And welcome back to another episode. Soda Bros and Shows. I am your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Fly Gooder Fly. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot.

Now, look, if you heard me in the intro, I'm not feeling great. But what better way to spend the day than just sitting on the couch ordering three meals in because you don't want to cook anything and just watch them Bravo all day? What did I have? I kind of just skipped breakfast. I had a chicken parm sandwich at some point during the day. I got some go puff, like snacks, candy, Oreos, of course. Now I've got some Chipotle on the way.

So I went three for three today. That's a solid day. Solid day. I am the closest I can get to hungover. Obviously, I don't drink anymore, so I'm not hungover, hungover, but I decided that it would be a good idea when I got home after watching the Bills and Chiefs game. So the game was over. I should have gone to bed.

I made a oven deep dish pizza. like a frozen pizza yeah and i ate all of it so i did the math um i had at about 1130 p.m i had 2300 calories jesus i feel horrible yeah and i woke up eating all day too during the game you were probably sitting at exfinity eating a bunch of stuff there so that was the good food day shout out to xfinity it was an absolute blast um we actually i want to want to tell everybody about a little uh shindig happening there with one i actually want to tell everybody about a little shindig happening there with somebody you know well kyle cook is actually playing at expinity on valentine's day he's doing a set that evening i believe it starts at 10 and it

goes through midnight so yeah make sure you check that out if you're in the philly area expinity is obviously one of our favorite places to go they always take care of us when we go watch the games there it was a blast dude the atmosphere was fucking electric and the food was solid But because it was such a madhouse, I didn't eat that much there. I had a decent spread, but I didn't get that far into it. So that was also part of my problem because when I got home, I'm like, I haven't eaten shit today. I'll eat this. I'll just have like a fourth of it.

And then I was like, I'll just have a half of it. And then I was like, well, fuck it. I've gotten this far. I might as well eat the whole thing. And I woke up this morning and I thought I was dying. Yeah. So that's me. That's how I feel.

Yeah. That was pretty much me during the game yesterday. I went in a full liquid diet because nobody's waiting in those lines to get a cheese steak or get chickies fries or whatever. Just keep feeding me beers. And that's where I was yesterday. And then I got home and I'm like, same thing. Didn't really eat all day. Let's get a bunch of stuff.

Got a couple sandwiches, some wings, some fries, put it all together. Tried to get Taco Bell. Now that was the funny thing. Well, we tried to get Taco Bell. The problem was you couldn't cross broad. And there is no Taco Bell on the west side abroad. So they couldn't get across to me. So that was fun.

Oh, that's such a bummer. But we're not here to talk about food or hangovers or food hangovers. We're here to talk about Southern Hospitality, which is climbing the ranks as one of the best shows on Bravo, and I don't want to hear otherwise. If you like a Vanderpump type show, I am no longer calling this early VPR. If you like a show with that setup, and if you're listening to us talk about it right now, which means you've listened to us talk about it before, which means that you know that we love this show and you're not watching it, it's time. This is a great show. The cast knows what they're doing. They've gotten their feet wet.

It's no longer watching them awkwardly move around trying to figure out how the game works. They're all locked in. This show is fantastic. Yeah, yeah, it really is. The Thursday nights are quickly becoming one of my favorite nights for TV

with Soho, Southern Charm, and Traders all coming at the same time. It gives you such a nice weekend. If you're hanging out during the weekend and you want to throw something on, put some Soho on. You can run through that pretty quick. So it's such an easy watch.

And if you need to get caught up, it's so bingeable. We've had so many people reach out to us this season because I think people are finally catching on because way more people are watching now than they were. We've had multiple, multiple, multiple people reach out in the DMs like, oh, my God, I finally listened to you guys. I finally watched it. I got through season one in like three days. Yep.

So do yourself as a favor. No, we do not get paid by anybody, despite how much this sounds like an advertisement. I wish we did. I know. We're not above it. We say it all the time. We've yet to be approached by anybody that's willing to bribe us. Then you won't know when it happens, but there will certainly be signs.

Everything will look way nicer. Everything will look way nicer. And we will be talking nicely about something that we previously did not talk nice about. Yeah. It'll be pretty obvious, actually. So actually, maybe we'll throw some fake ones out there and see if you guys catch on just to see if you guys are paying attention. Why not? Let's not dilly dally.

any further let's jump into soho and we start out we're still at the lake lake wiley at lakes house we're at lake's house on lake wiley okay everybody everybody caught up nobody nobody gets stuck on that this time no okay great so we got joe tj emmy and mattie are the remaining crew we got the boat crew out and about on the actual lake itself joe's talking to mattie and they're doing a little recap of the tj conversation that she had and she lets him know like hey he did seem apologetic and it feels like he's ready to talk Obviously, we know that Joe is ready to talk. So it sets up for what we're assuming is going to be a conversation between these two some point later in the day.

We've obviously seen the cutscene of them sitting at the bar talking about things. But I need to say something. Go on and say it, deal. Don't want to say it. Okay. The first thing, because people call it out, like Austin is so hot. His personality, though. It's like, what the fuck?

Because he's building a sandcastle because he doesn't want to get involved with your bullshit. shit he's over here just being peaceful by himself it was a that was a mean they did him dirty he's over there's like scooping up sand i what's wrong with that the second thing is we had the question the other day of uh like what your type would be what my type would be if we were dating dudes austin's my type i think that's the kind of dude i would probably go for yeah i think it's the uh probably breaking down wood in the uh in the woods and that's like for me yeah yeah i think that gets you going. I think him and I would have a really lovely to like date just like lifting logs in the woods. Yeah, that sounds like a good time to me.

I would say, you know, you know Logan in the movie for Wolverine when he's out of the woods? Are you calling me Logan? No, I'm saying that is your type. That is me. I'm Wolverine. No. You finally did it. We finally put it together. Thank you for that. I do feel like I, I embody a lot of the things that Logan embodies as well. So I actually, I see where you're coming an asshole yes that too where was i lake i love lake the person and the lake i thank you for clarifying no i felt like a a brick moment i love lamp no i do i think lake is awesome because they're going through the the brad and lake scenario right now and she's standing there with chavon and molly and they're like she doesn't want to make the first move on brad brad's waiting for her to make a move

And Molly's like, he already made a move. He took you to dinner. I'm like, hmm. And it goes to a cut scene with Blake talking to the confession. She's like, no, no, no, no. That's not a move. He took me to one dinner. My dad takes me to dinner.

My last guy that I dated, I woke up in like Paris with with pastries and flowers. It's like, step it up, Brad. I'm like, fuck, yeah. Don't just fall for his nonsense. I love Brad. Bradley Carter's one of my favorite people. I love Brad, too. I just, I found it very weird that she was talking about Brad making move and then immediately said,

I go out to dinner with my dad. I'm like, oh, well, I don't like the comparison. I think you understand what you was saying. Like, that's not a first, yeah, I just didn't like it. He's not making the first move. But I love that she's standing by that, especially because, again, love Bradley. But we know our, we know our guy. Like, he gets out there, he plays the field a little bit.

He doesn't want anything serious. So Lake's taking her time. Lake should take her time. Don't, don't dive right in. Make him, make him chase you. So I'm all, I'm on board for that. Molly and Chavon are on like the other side of where they're like, uh,

move, jump on in. So here's what I, what I've gathered. So last week, there was a quick moment when they get to the pool where Molly tried to show Brad her tattoo. Say,

Brad, you like my tattoo? He didn't look. It's located on her butt and he did not look. He said, yeah, it's all right. And went straight to Lake.

I'm like, all right, solid move, Brad, nice job there. Now, while Molly's saying this to Lake, well,

made the move already. It's your turn. I think Molly likes Brad. And I think that's Molly setting up the scene for, well, you had your shot. You needed to make a move. You didn't make a move. And then when she slides in, then she's like, well, I told you to make a move. You waited too long. That's the vibe I got. I love that you're breaking this down too because like I don't even think about that stuff. No, I know. It's just like such a nice little thing. It's like, oh, they're young. They're going to go fool around they're going to have like a bunch of fun with each other you know they're single bopping around great time for them i'm not going to break down the sexual chemistry or the uh i guess situation ships that they're going to be getting into i'm like oh this is fine it's fun you're

like oh this is a move by molly because molly wants brad and it's like oh yes look yeah probably appreciate it my brain doesn't work that way no no that's what i'm here for you do other things with your brain that i don't do i do things with my brain that you don't do we compliment each other well together we have one brain yeah which is good because yeah we're stupid without each other we're dumb with each other but we're stupid without each yeah we are but anyway big fan of lake like how she's moving with brad keep it up lake we get to emmy and michael's it's getting harder and harder for me to cover these scenes like genuinely because michael sits down by the way with everything that happens later this makes the scene even more

infuriating because Michael sits down. He's like, listen. And he knows how volatile the situation is. He knows how reactive she gets. He's like, look, I just want you to be open-minded and receptive. I love you. I care. There's no other way to be any softer or handle her with like white gloves than this. Like he's being so gentle and trying to just have a conversation. He's like, look, it's taking me a few days to collect my thoughts. Are you okay? Things with Will your relationship and the laugh quote unquote laugh that Emmy tries to put out

there was so uncomfortable and so force and she goes on to list this bizarre list like you haven't even listened to what Michaels has to say yet you just laugh and then you say I'm laughing because it's like you don't have to do that if it's a genuine laugh you would laugh and explain but instead you're explaining

this is this is why I'm laughing because will's my person will's my rock will's my safe space was my everything will's the love of my life. It's like, how many more do you have saved up in there to explain what Will is to you? By the way, ask Will what he thinks about you. None of these things would come up. It's a pretty simple exercise. Actually, it probably gets you to a different place than you're currently at. This is one of your, if not your actual best friend coming to talk to you. You've yet to listen to him and then you just list off all the reasons that he's wrong.

And it makes no fucking sense to me. And Michael starts to get a little heated in his response is like, look, my first interaction with him sucked. He just ran. stumbled on that you guys are in a different place, that you're anorexic, that you work out too much. You only think about yourself. That's the quote unquote love of your life. That's your quote unquote safe place is somebody's going to say that about you two strangers. And you're not going to sit there and listen to Michaels. No, not at all. And the vibe that I get to, obviously Michael's going into this, this is not a let's sit down and have a moment because of the TV show. We're going to expose this. We're going to be dramatic and this is going to play really well.

and I have to do this because I am a character on a TV show. This was an actually distraught friend not sure how to do this, tried to go in with the lightest touch and got completely blown off because I'm getting the vibe now. What Will wants is to, we've always talked about

like he wants her to break up with him or whatever's going to happen. I'm actually changing my tune on that. I think he wants to have Emmy but completely alienate her from all of these people so that he can continue to go out and talk shit on her and it's not going to get back to her because at some point, they're going to look and say, why are we even trying with Emmy anymore? Like, Will's going to go around town.

Exactly. He's going to go around town. He's going to talk shit on her. We've already brought this up to her before. She makes excuses. She blows up. Why are we even doing this anymore? I think that's what Will wants.

Will wants to alienate her and keep her to himself and then he can just go away to college and take whoever he wants the law problem. He definitely took somebody else to law problem. There's no way that he didn't take somebody. Listen to us right now. This is our prediction. is going to come up in an episode, bet me that he took somebody else to fucking law prom. And you guys are going to come back here and remember this moment.

Be like, oh, my God, the bros were right. I want to go to law. You think it would actually make sense for me to go to law school at this point? Like, I'll quit my job. I'll go to law school so that we can have like a lawyer on the show. So that way we don't have to keep saying allegedly. No, then you have to work a nine to five. Oh, fuck.

I forgot about that. Yeah, dude. Nine to five is no draining. Yeah. Will can't even go to nine to five. dinner because it was 9 to 5. He can't go to a lake trip because it was 9 to 5. He can't jump in the ocean. He can't do anything. No, how the fuck are you going to wake up and go jump in the ocean in Charleston and then go to work at 9? That's a lot. He's got to sleep. He's a CB

boy. He's reading things all day in his daddy's office. He's reading like this much. It's like this much. This much. You're not watching YouTube. You're missed nuts. This is this much. This is a lot. This is huge, by the way. Unless it's way up average. If it's construction paper, or maybe it's right over my head. Yeah, you got it eventually. Took me a minute. Took me a minute. Well played, sir.

But it's almost, not almost. It is just genuinely sad as she tries to rationalize this whole scenario. She's like, Will told me what he said. It's like, I bet he did. I bet he told you everything that he said. And I bet he tried to spin it. Oh, yes, he did because she's like, he's deflecting his own sadness on law school on to me. What?

Are you nuts? what do you like and i i'm trying to not bash emmy through this whole process because clearly she's in a place where she's being manipulated by an asshole yeah but that's tough to watch it's really hard to watch because then like i'm not going to pull any punches for how she's alienating her friends who are trying to help her right because i understand if you want to get defensive i understand that's your man i understand all of that but the way you're treating your friends that are all trying to help you is really shitty and you're actually trying to make them look like the bad guy when the bad guy's your boyfriend. He's being just a straight-up asshole. And she's like, well, I forgave

Will. That's like, all right, dude, well, the worst thing you can say to somebody is if something was toxic, I would tell you. It's like if something was toxic, you probably wouldn't recognize it. You'd probably need an outside source, somebody that knows you really well to pull you aside and try to wake you up and say, hey, things seem kind of shitty. What's up, dude? And she flips it to the girls yeah flipping it to the girls is insanity too just like putting it out there projecting and she even talks about projecting and it's right up there with will saying that he's projecting on her because he feels like he's failing her as a boyfriend that's the craziest gas lighting ever you are but you that's incredibly dumb that doesn't make any sense you're putting her down because you feel

like you're a bad boyfriend like what i don't understand that and the fact that emmy believes it is even crazier it just shows you where she's at yeah it just shows her it shows you where she's at will has put her in a place and she's you know not really doing much help for herself there either because they she is in a place mentally right now with will and their relationship where nothing is going to work like he could cheat on her right in front of her face and she would probably still spin out of it honestly like he would spin zone and she'd be like oh that was his cousin he was doing he was practicing CPR we all know kissing cousins right yeah uh i'm gonna nope we're gonna keep moving she just says like love you hug me

and like squashes the whole thing and moves on it was very dismissive i felt bad for michael's clearly he's not this isn't like a fun conversation for him he's not looking forward to it he tried like the weight doesn't get lifted off of him either because like he was worried about obviously he's staying with tj he was going to stay with emmy but he's too uncomfortable because of what he knows and what he wants to talk to her about this was an opportunity for michael's to get it all off and just talk to emmy and finally like stop bearing all that weight and instead he's got even more questions and he feels worse so that sucks for him yeah it really sucks but brad jt damn it t j there's too many t j t jt's on these shows brad t j and michael's are in the pool and then they're

just doing a little quick recap of emmy and he just lets him know like yeah not well received and what this does is opens this whole thing back up to the whole house and i'll save it until we get there later but yeah with amex platinum access to exclusive amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot track side So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race. Turns and conditions apply. Learn more at amex.ca.com.

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plug-in hybrid from $599 byweekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Conditions supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. Right after this, this scene made me so sad for Emmy, genuinely sad for Emmy. And again, I'm trying to not be mean about her in this thing because she's clearly caught up in the whole will nonsense. They're FaceTiming in the bathroom. she's got her outfit on she's very proud of her outfit and she's trying to do anything

to get Will's attention and he is so unbothered by this he's barely looking at her he's not he's probably honestly either watching TV or he's on a different app while they're FaceTiming because he's so disconnected she's like what do you think about the gold he's like yeah gold gold it's always gold you're gold

you definitely used to do silver at some point I saw some silver on but it's gold different metal gold is you and she's like gold right she's like i miss you crickets how's the lake miss you crickets how's the lake that's his response to her like he's so fucking checked out he doesn't even have like the time for faith and this is what should let anybody know how full of shit this dude is he knows he's on fucking camera he knows he's on camera and he's still being a shitty boyfriend that's just so disconnected

from this relationship and I genuinely not actually because I when I say genuinely almost cried people know I actually almost do I didn't actually almost cry but I felt so bad for her here because she leaves that conversation and goes he likes my outfit I'm like he didn't look at your fucking outfit how do you take that away from that conversation I feel bad for you I do but fuck me this guy's not even looking at you he just repeated what you said to him and then didn't hear you say I miss you and ask you and ask you how the lake was because it's the most generic easiest question to ask because he lost his train of thought because he's not looking at you yep and you left that with he likes my outfit's like no he doesn't you don't care about your outfit it's like he got off that face time and just went right back to what he was doing and doesn't remember a thing that was said or what you looked like or what you were wearing you were wearing a completely different outfit and he would probably not notice you could call back naked and he wouldn't fucking notice genuinely like full frontal same position he'd be like how's the lake lake lake He doesn't fucking care. Like, he, it sucks. It really sucks. But you say,

I mean, I told us very funny. I just meant, I was trying to paint a picture of the scene. I wasn't trying to be gross. I was just emphasizing how little he pays attention to her. Yeah. They literally go right over his head.

But Lake's father makes a quick appearance. And their son's name, the dad and stepmom, I believe, this is a half, half sibling is. king, which is dope. So you got king, like, I need to know the names of all of the, uh, the children in this family. Yep. Because I'm, I'm into it. But he's spying on, uh, on what's going on,

making sure the house is still in order. Sounds like a bunch of ruffians are staying here for the weekends. I'm just like coming by to make sure everything's okay. And he, I think he's also scouting for dudes because he's got his eyes. He's looks at Joe. He's like, what's your deal? And Joe is so uncomfortable. I love Joe. I love Joe so much. she was like uh she's like my sister's age i'm like oh that's a weird thing to say he's like we're like brother and sister i'm like that's better i guess we're like uh work siblings or uh you know whatever doesn't get me killed sir yeah and he's like he's like so you're going to look out for right he's like yeah yes sir absolutely he goes okay i'll hold you to that

and do you like they dap up it was a clean dab i'll give him that but it was that was a really funny scene to watch him stutter through that whole thing and thank god he's not even dating Lake. No, there's not even anything intimate there. There's nothing there at all. She is actually probably considered his work sister. And he just, he came off so weird. It's so funny. He came off way. Yeah, it didn't come. I think he cleaned it up at the end. The initial was not great, but very nervous. At least Bradley stayed upstairs with his shirt on and didn't. I got, I was just waiting for him to walk down shirtless. I was like, no, don't do it. So I'm glad that he missed that one. Good timing by Brad. Yeah, good timing. But we get to dinner. And,

And the wings are raw because they said, bake for 65 minutes on the bag. And you thought five minutes on the grill would take care of it? Like, what are we doing here? It's so funny. The timing. Like, when that happens to it, like, no, it'll cook so much faster on the grill. Okay. Are you actually going to cook them?

Are you going to char them? What are you guys going to do to these fucking wings? Because they're not going to come out, right? No, you're correct. On open flame, they will cook faster. But will the internal get to the. temperature you needed to get to? Do you have a thermometer? Maybe that would

probably help. Or just a novel idea, a novel approach to this whole thing. Maybe pull a wing. Just pull one and cut into it. How's it looking? It's still pretty raw. Maybe we shouldn't serve these. Nah. You know what? It's all good because Lake likes a little salmonella, you know, and it's a pretty name. Much like Chlamydia is a pretty name if it didn't mean something gross. Yep. Just keep going. Let's hear it.

Yeah, let's just taking a weird turn at the dinner table. But hey, whatever, we find out that Mia placed fifth. So the competition is over. Yeah, she's got to be coming back. So she's coming back into the fold. It makes more sense why we're getting the FaceTime's now. And now, honestly, that the show is set up this way, it makes sense that she's going to be there because not everybody works there.

But I will say this, G. Lilly's presence is noticeably missed for me. I would have liked her here at this lake trip. Yeah. If we're going to do a cast trip, she has to. go in the i agree yeah i don't understand that there's no other way around that but yeah i mean we said that for me uh obviously we had some questions in the beginning because it just seemed like every time that we talked to her she was just on face time we're like all right is this what we're going to get from mea i don't think they would have wasted their time with the face times

if she wasn't actually physically going to be on the show by the end now you never know they do weird shit sometimes i agree with you that was my assumption as well i just didn't know but while they all sit down at the dinner table, TJ and Joe do share a couple of words. So obviously it's getting a little less tense there. So leading to that conversation later, but Molly of all people brings up, hey, where's Will?

And you know exactly what she's doing. She's baiting the table, which I appreciate. I thought it was actually a solid move by her. And he's like, oh, he's working, you know, and I don't even know who said, I was writing it down.

I just heard, how was your talk with Michaels? And she's like, oh, it was good. And, like, her eyes are darting everywhere.

You can tell she's like, oh, fuck, here we go. And I love Michaels, dude. He's, he's fucking great for this show.

And he seems like a solid dude on top of that. And he's like, well, no, you actually gave me the run around. I'm like, oh,

yeah, hold her to the fire real quick. And Emmy's response is what Emmy's response always is, is I don't feel comfortable having this conversation at the table. And the, best thing that was said and i want to talk about this for a little bit because i think it's

important mattie goes it involves all of us you just don't realize that yet and that's like the best point here and that further points to how fucked up this is by will none of these people at the table emmy not one person sitting around this table wants to have this conversation with you nobody's invested in your relationship nobody likes will they don't want to have to be put in a position to have this awkward conversation, your boyfriend pulled everybody here into this drama because he can't keep his mouth shut when he drinks because he doesn't like you. And that sucks to hear, but like there's no other way to put it. Yeah, and look, Will has put all of them in this position.

I'm not going to put it on Emmy. I'm not going to say that she's going around talking to everybody. She's trying to avoid it as much as possible because she's the one who actually has to face it head on. They're trying to talk to Will. He's giving them a run around with Brad, with T. and that's pretty much what you're going to get. They don't care anymore.

Everybody else has been subject to Will bashing his girlfriend to them. He has brought them all into this, and it's very unfair for him. They just want to clear the air. This isn't even like a takedown. This isn't, oh, my God, Emmy's a monster. We need to go after her. She's doing this and that and whatever. Like, yeah, you can point to a couple episodes ago with the dresses.

Maybe they're still upset about that. I don't think so. This is just an uncomfortable situation to be put in because of what Will did. So they don't want to deal with this. But now that you're going to rip the mandate off, and you're going to sit there and talk to Michael's who is very close to you, who's just trying to help you. And you're going to give him the runaround. No, absolutely not. We're all going to weigh in on this.

We're all going to tell you because we're now all involved. It's not just somebody talking about a relationship that has nothing to do with them. They're all involved now. So what do you want them to do? This isn't somebody like going after you. You're not being targeted. They're trying to help you. They're trying to talk you through your shitty relationship so that you can end it and go back to being happy.

Because right now you're not happy. The thing is, I don't think that at least the dudes that are friends with Will, they don't want them to break up. And I do think that they still think Will's a good dude. And maybe he's a guy's guy. Maybe when you hang out one on one with him, you have a blast. That's fine. But you can't sit there and tell me he's a solid guy when he's treating quote unquote

the love of his life this way. That doesn't, those two things don't track. You can be a good dude and still be an asshole. And that's what I get from him because he's treating Emmy like absolute. shit and putting her in horrible horrible places like this she now has to defend you to everybody and her response every single time is i'm okay will is not he's not here to defend himself and he's coming from a like everybody there's coming from a good place everyone's trying to talk so calmly and she goes back to will is my safe person will is my safe person and mattie points out

like we've heard this shit on multiple occasions and she's like well he told me what he said and i'm glad Joe spoke up. He's like, well, what did he tell you? He said that he can't make me happy in our relationship and that I work out too much. Nah, bro, he said that he doesn't want to be in this relationship. You're not his forever person and that you're anorexic. Those are three paraphrasing. Yeah, you can't paraphrase the terrible things that he said. You can't just skip over the words that he used that you heard. Like, you should have a visceral reaction to finding out that your boyfriend is saying those things. The fact that he said anorexic is. insane to other people, to other people that like you.

To strangers, to fucking strangers. Yeah, that's insane. So the fact that that's what's going on and you're just going to gloss over it because what? Like, you don't want to bad mouth him because he's not there to protect himself? He wouldn't protect himself even if he was there. You weren't there to protect yourself when he was talking shit about you.

You say later that he's your safe place. He doesn't give a fuck about you. He's not trying to protect you. He's not looking after your well-being. He's being selfish and trying to find a way out of this hole that he dug for himself and it's working because you believe everything that he's saying meanwhile all the people closest to you know that this is risking alienating you and your friendship and yet every single person there is trying to speak up and do it very calmly to just try to get through to you hey this seems

like a fucked up scenario and we're concerned we want to make sure that you're okay that's the root of everything no one's saying break up with will half the people aren't calling will an asshole, which makes no sense to me, but they're still trying to be delicate and get through this and just get it through your head so that you see what they're seeing. But the fact that she's like, everyone here claims, this should highlight it for Emmy. This should be the thing that wakes her up and snaps her out of it. Everyone here claims to be his friend. And yet you're going to talk all this shit when he's not here.

It's like, yeah, dude, everyone here is his friend. And they're still telling you what he said. And they're not talking shit, by the way. They're repeating the shit that he talked. this is not that hard i get it if you're caught up in it and i understand we've all been in weird relationships we've all been in these spots it is what it is sometimes you have to get through the woods to see the forest that's not the word but it is it's not the word but it is i like that one i know get through the woods to see the forest uh yeah it plays it plays sure it's good

enough i get that and i i get through the woods to see the lake yeah you get there you go sure yeah i like that but i i'm afraid she's going to to come back to these episodes in three, four, five years and be like, fuck, that sucks. I don't look great. And I'm defending a guy that goes around town badmouting me to whoever has an ear. Like, that's a shitty spot to be in. And she ends it with what infuriated me the most. And it's going to piss me off again later.

Talk to me privately about this. He did. Michael's tried. Michael's tried. It didn't work. You completely ignored him. You acted like nothing was wrong, which is. crazy. You're into Lululand. That's all that we can say about you right now. And you're acting

like everybody's attacking you and they're just trying to bring you guys down. No. Will is actively trying to bring you guys down. You need to look at him. He is the problem right now. And look, if you if you guys can figure it out and get past it, fine. What the hell do I care? Just stop bashing. Just stop letting them bash you because it looks really bad for you. So I don't know where the hell they go from here. I could see us getting very tired of this in a couple of episodes. Like, are we still doing this? Like, at some point, they just have to stop because you're not going to get anywhere. She's proven at this point.

You're not going to be able to get through to her. So there's nothing you can do. Try again, maybe in a better setting, you know, Michaels or T.J. or whoever. What's a better setting than sitting by a beautiful lake with your friends on a fucking, like, porch swing? Where's it going to be calmer than that? Maybe, because there's no answer. Yeah. Like, you're not going to get back.

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I can't believe they would say this shit about me. It's like, what the fuck? You know what you said and you're on TV. We know what you said. There's cameras, my guy. Like, what a strange approach to this entire fucking thing. Yeah, and they're not saying anything that you didn't say yourself. That's what it comes down to.

They're not shit talking you. They're just pointing out your shitty actions. So you can't be upset about that. You can be upset that you did it and blame yourself and then say, you know what? They need to talk to me in about. better way. They tried. They tried a couple of days ago. You gave them the runaround, as Evie's been doing to Michaels. You guys

are going to do the same thing over and over again. So you can't get mad about this now because of something that you did that they're calling you out for. Yep. 100%. And as they're having this whole, he's like, don't engage with the bullshit. It's like you don't want to talk to them because you don't want her to find out other stuff that you said. You're trying to now isolate and

separate so that you don't get in deeper shit. That's all that's happening. And she's like, it was one night. We find out it's i don't know if it's coming up soon but this is multiple occasions this was different restaurants it was different nights this is not a one-off by any means and i would argue that charleston being such a small town the majority of the nightlife scene probably has heard will bad-mouthing emmy which is just embarrassing for her that's not nice so you know who you get a is whitney yeah honestly him and whitney are probably besties they they make a lot of sense together

they should date but mattie goes in and she's like like we just want this whole thing to be addressed. She's a great person to talk to because of the Trevor stuff, because of how blinded she was by everything, because of how much of a trance Trevor seemed to have her under. It's a similar situation in that regard. I'm not going to go ahead and say that Will's as bad as Trevor, but I will say that he was in the bathroom last year with another woman at a party drinking. So you can do the math there.

The more I talk about it, the more, I'm like, oh, no, there's a lot of fucking parallels to that fucking idiot. But everybody joins, but not before Lake, she voices her opinion on the whole thing. She said, this is disrespectful as fuck. This is my trip. Now, it's all about this shit. I'm like, yeah, it's your birthday. I shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense. But Brad, Michael's, TJ, they enter the room.

So now they're talking to her. And Brad's like, look, we care about you. this is so so fucking blatant to me we care about you but strangers are coming up to us and telling us all about this stuff and she's like well i talked to him about it and i told him i was upset and that he cut me out from under the knees and this that and the other thing one tell people that you addressed it because you're acting nothing wrong and two that's not what happened that's that's not what you did there's no way that's what happened that's just something that she's doing in a panic right now to make it seem like she held him accountable for it that it didn't happen you did not address

it to him you probably got to a fight about it and then you got afraid that he's going to leave you and then you guys made up that's probably what happens yes 100% and as she's leaving she's like i'm livid if you were good friends you would have come to me we watched michael's do it we watched the whole table do it we watched all of your friends leave the people that don't know you that well at the dinner table and come to your room calmly Brad has reiterated. We don't want you guys to break up, but you guys need to have a conversation about this stuff.

There's no, like at some point, I'm going to go to Southern Charm right now from what Craig says, you can tell somebody once that they're heading into a car crash. Like if someone's headed straight for a car crash, what do you let him get crushed coming from TJ?

Craig goes, you tell them once. Like, yes, that's fine at this juncture. You guys have tried. You've tried, you've tried, you've tried, you've tried clearly you're still trying because she's going on social media she just did it for this last episode once again to give a will timeline do you think anybody reads that driving nobody gave a shit i read that whole thing i'm like this is all the moves that she's doing is making her look crazy and she is not the crazy one in this situation will no she's not yeah you're crazy

to stay with them but you are making yourself look crazy you're not doing yourself any favors and all she's doing and it's painful to watch now because we keep watching these episodes everything she does on social media. It's like a day in the life of Will. Nobody asks for that. Nobody wants to see it. Nobody likes to see any of that. And then you go into this whole crazy timeline about how Will had to drive three hours to go get you from his brother.

And you guys met at midnight at some fucking exit off the term pike or whatever it was. We don't care. Oh my God. Your boyfriend of three years drove to pick you up from somewhere. Call the fucking press. What a great guy. Yeah. What did he stop doing to come get you?

Who was he hanging out with? Like, I have so many questions now. Like, who was he on the phone with during those three hours? He was probably shit talking you. Like, yeah. Like, she'd make me drive fucking three hours because she can't stay at the lake for her night. Like, that's probably what happened.

It's supposed to be my weekend to just chill. Yep. Nope. And the best part about this as the scene ends, that she's pulling away with, with his brother is there's a montage of everybody trying to go to her one-on-one as a group, as a friend, and have this conversation. It shows the montage.

of the boys going to lunch with will and very very blatantly addressing they didn't sugarcoat it at all they're like all we heard you had some frustrations and you voice some things to strangers what's up dude and he goes did that happen y'all i get hurts my fucking brain i get so frustrated by this shit but let's talk about some other stuff because we get to the morning after we find out that lake didn't kiss brad they were flirting we saw we saw some clips of some heavy flirtation but didn't pull the trigger once again all the respect in the world for lake you keep that shit up you make him work for it that's awesome i love the move they might miss each other because in their confessional they're talking about how they will not be the one to make

the first move you've got to come to me yeah well if you both say that it's not going to happen and that's when molly slides in that's what i'm telling you that's what i am onto something bet but michael's text emmy to check in hey make sure you got home okay are you feel feeling okay good friend even after yesterday he gets crickets find out austin's left outside love that move and again seemingly get shit for it people don't understand just let this guy live yeah no i said that was classic as soon as they said that he slept outside like classic that's awesome great move you're at the lakehouse fuck that sleep outside i mean you might get like eaten alive by bugs but you know yeah getting ready for a game means

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But it appears that they need a lifeguard for their next trip to keep Joey bottles off the fucking pool wall. This dude. So here's what I imagined happened. They were like joking around. like all right like maddie probably said like i bet i could beat you in a race ha ha jo's like fucking bet let's do it that he took a way too seriously yeah and went full throttle and then went hell the first into the end of the wall so he's got a concussion he's got cuts on his head and he fucked up his nose but he does say that he's got a big nose so the nose probably broke the impact which is well great time for a joke yeah yeah well played but at breakfast obviously the topic of conversation is still emmy and will

And that whole disaster last night, Brad's in a tough spot. So he's like, look, Will's my boy. I got loyalty to Will. But, you know, watching this whole thing transpire, like, I can't keep my mouth show, which I respect. And that again, I wish Emmy could see that side of it between TJ, Brad, Joe, like all these people that are friends with Will, you know that they're friends. You know they're tight.

You know they're close. If these guys are telling you this, you would think there would be a really good reason for it. They're probably not going to try to start shit with you guys based on nothing. And the more frustrating part, this isn't the first time that these conversations have been had, flashback to last season. There's a pattern here. And it's, it's not the people next to you trying to help you out. At some point, they're going to tap out and leave you to your own. And what's going to end up happening? What this sounds like to me, and this is probably really mean, but I don't really give a fuck. Go off, King. I'm going to go off. What this sounds like

to me is Will is going to keep stringing her along through law school. The minute he lands a decent job, he's going to get rid of her and move on to the next thing and that's going to be the woman that he marries and that's that's fucked up to say but that's what this looks like to me it looks like a clear blueprint of a stuck up trust fund nepo baby that's going to go work for his dad take over his dad's firm he's going to find the next great thing in some chick that he meets once he graduates law school he clearly has an air about him that he's better than the people in this group because he's going to law school they're still working at the bar he walks around with his nose up he goes at dinner and gives them just face value responses the entire time.

It's the clear blueprint of a guy that thinks he's more important than he is, gets into fucking law school where he's in the top 10%, which means he's just fairly eeked into the 10%. And he wants to live this lavish lifestyle and he wants somebody to mirror that. And that somebody, according to him, is not Emmy. So for now it's great. I can string her along. I can do my own thing at college.

Like you said, I can come home. She's there when I need her. But when I don't want to do shit with her, I've got work too long. I've got a nine to five and I'm really sleeping. I've got to read a stack of papers this big. I don't have time for you. I mean, I'm not going to the fucking lake with you either. That's what's happening.

And bet me in five years, he's with somebody else. And they're very serious and move very fast. I will not take that bet because I agree. That's probably what's going to happen. However, I would love to see in five years we don't give a shit about Will and we don't get an update on his life. that's fine with me too yeah that's totally fine with me as well yeah i'm cool with that that's a good call but will and emmy let's get this one out of the way because they're doing a recap of everything and i hate this i hate when people do this what the fuck do they know about a three-year relationship

it's like okay guys what do you know about a three-year relationship this is not going well you guys are not the epitome of a healthy relationship right now and you can literally watch the whole thing spin. She's like, well, Michael's reached out. Bradley called me and left the message. Joe reached out. Maddie reached out. It's like, oh, sounds like people are concerned about you.

And then Will's like, nobody reached out to me. Why the fuck would they? You put all of your quote unquote friends in this horrible spot. So why on earth would they reach out to you? They should be pissed off at you because you made them get involved. They don't want to be involved in your relationship. But also after the interaction that they had with you when you went out with Brad and T.J. Why would they

reach out to you? They're not going to expect to hear anything new. That just happened within the last week. Like, yeah, because there was a big blow up at the lake. You think that maybe people are going to reach out to you to make sure you're okay because you drove for three hours. Is that what you want? Like, no. They're not going to reach out to you because they brought it up to you as friends asked you. You cop to it, said that you did it, blamed it on yourself from not being a good boyfriend or whatever the hell that was. Why would they reach out to you?

They're not expecting to hear anything new. They're trying to get through to Emmy. because she is clearly distraught you look fine what do you mean that people are he looks upset the people or he's yeah he's upset that people are digging into his life that's otherwise he's living life he's what do you mean dude he says if anyone wants to talk to me they can reach out motherfucker they did you lied you placated you played it down you said the same thing clearly you and emmy had a powwow about this said we'll just blame it on law school like that's a lot going on babe i just i'm really stressed out not the first fucking person to go to law school guy like that that shut the

uh i fucking hate it yeah it's really fucking annoying yeah i was that was tough to watch that was that's the meme of uh it's always two dumb bitches just telling each other right exactly like that's what that was like honestly and he's like it's two people we love and trust and they didn't protect us you didn't protect your girlfriend that's all they're not there to protect

you in your relationship that's your job to take care of each other and you fucked that up and continue to fuck that up. To put it on your friends is so juvenile. You're going to law school to be this big grown-up lawyer and you still point fingers when you fuck things up, you dickhead. Grow up. Grow up or break up, but shut up more than anything. Yeah, it's actually, it's just annoying to watch now. It was tough to watch. It's so irritating. Just Emmy by yourself, it is very tough to watch. It's sad. And then when it's the two of them, it's really annoying to watch. It's fucking brutal. Like you, I think that Emmy is genuinely just.

like caught in this weird syndrome where she just doesn't know what to do and she's convinced that she's right but you're not and it's really sad you they just get really annoying like I don't want to watch these scenes where you guys are just rationalizing Will's shitty behavior and blaming it on loss like you guys are right and blaming it on the other people for reaching out to try to help you like now you can literally see that he's completely isolated her from the group like you were calling earlier because she's like I don't trust anyone I don't want to talk to anyone, it's like, fuck, he's got you right where he wants you then. And then he leads it up

with, well, just don't engage with it. It's like, yeah, once again, you keep saying that because you're afraid she's going to keep digging and one day she's going to wake up. Don't worry. Instagram has shown us not four days ago. She's still under your trance, pal, so something's working. But we're, not

anybody watching this show is falling for this shit. So it's really fucking frustrating. But I'll tell you what's not. And I'll tell you what is. Betty and Joe is so nice that I texted Joey bottles and said you guys are so cute oh yeah it's so funny like watching like a terrible terrible relationship it's like a god i cannot wait until they break up and then you see mattie and jo and it's like if they ever broke up i would consider doing terrible things i can't i

would be more upset than craig and page breaking up at this oh yeah because we also saw that one coming but they're just so genuine and like i i trust that joey's going to do the right and then watching her cry because he got a concussion he was a fine. He's back at the house. He's good. And she's like, I don't know what I'd do. If I didn't have him. I just love him so much. And I'm like, oh, so now you're getting to the place that he's at. And you guys are going to be in love. And it's all going to work out. It's so nice. Yeah, I texted him. I was like, yeah, it's so cute. And he said, uh, he said, go birds, more or less. So bad a boy. Thanks, Joe. But TJ agrees to meet with Joe. And this is something

that's going to happen for a long time. We do get to know more about their relationship, of how it started. They were both newer in Charleston are on the scene and became really good friends really quickly. Joe recognizes TJ as his first real best friend from Charleston. So Joe was kind of lost by the whole thing. And this makes more sense as to the messages that came out. And, you know, when Joe drunk texted TJ, like you're a rat and all that other shit,

it makes a little more sense at the visceral reaction when he's like, yeah, I love that he's just flat out saying it because I woke up at Loua. And so I was like, all right. There we go. The week you made out with her. Finally. Yeah. I'm going to take that as, yeah, I woke up after we banged.

Boynt. Excuse me. Point. Boynt. Yeah, point. We're gentlemen here. We are gentlemen. And you were the only person I told.

I'm like, ooh, that's fucking snakey then. If he called you, you knew that this was, yeah, that was a weird move. But to T.J's credit takes full accountability. Says it was a week. I appreciate it not. Right. I was like, all right. That's, that's a way to move forward.

for sure takes full accountability says i had a weak moment i wish you didn't bring it up one more time i was like i wanted to give you a chance to talk about it i was like again not a chance just not a chance you don't say that part that's okay for and for what reason like to what end i don't know well i do know because tj yeah he explains why like where this all comes from because it's nothing to do with Luann. It has everything to do with Joe and T.J.'s relationship, which is still, we're not entirely sure the goings-on

of this evening. And, you know, it's none of our fucking business. But TJ reiterates, I wanted you to feel like you had lost something. And he's like, well, I did, dude. I fucking felt it. I'm like, Joe, he's not talking about your friendship right now.

He's talking about more. And I know that you know that. And you're trying to avoid it. He goes, but it's all good. He's like, no, no, I want to finish this. I was like, yeah. he tried to end it and give him a hug yeah he did yeah he sure did funny classic move and like two friends arguing you're like all good uh i said everything that i needed to say uh i feel okay do you want to hug it out and then we're good right yeah we're cool now right oh you have more to say fuck all right um shit god this concussion is really kick him again oh god yeah oh fuck my bleeding i gotta go he goes before he goes we have a complex that's what it was we have a complex

friendship i'm glad we do come here he's like no no we're going to finish this. I'm like, yeah, just get it all out there now, guys. Just fucking figure this out now. Let's move on from it. And it goes back to the night three years ago. And Joe's like, look, I remember I was with my best friend, starts it off with that with my best friend, and we

slept the same bed and I touched you. And then it led to rumors. Now, this painted the whole thing a little bit in a different light for me. Because last week, obviously we're like, dude, that's kind of fucked up that he's calling this out on TV. now when tj says i still don't love that he did that last week i'm not saying that's okay but when he says why am i not allowed to talk about my experience i was like fair okay that's a fair

yeah that's fair do i agree with what he did last week i still don't no no but yes you're right tj you you are allowed to talk about your experiences and clearly this this left the lasting mark on you to where you felt something and Joe goes it was nothing and T.J. ends it with, it was something to me. So this is obviously a very nuanced situation and I would imagine we're going to get some more out of it. Hopefully next week. I would like for them to, and not in a, let's just move on from this thing. I would like them to get to a genuine place where T.J. feels seen and heard. Joe feels seen and heard. Nothing crazy gets thrown out there that's going to damage anybody or any relationships or anything like that. but they can come to some kind of place and be friends again.

Because the TIFs everywhere, I like a good Tiff. You know, you can call me Tiffy. Yeah, but this one got very real. Did you say you can call me Tiffany? I was hoping you would catch it. Call me Tiffity because I love a good Tiff. But, yeah, I want there to be more friends in the group as well, though. I need some key, key moments.

I need some fun, you know, Emmy and Will. We know for a fact just based on their. current standing with a lot of people in the group the emmy and will shit is going to drag on the entirety of the season to combat that yeah so to combat that we're going to need some like funny friendships along the way and i need less contention amongst the rest of the group so it's a united front against will and emmy yeah let's get some questions let's get to some questions here first one up uh from destiny mitchell if emmy wants a husband there's a newly single lawyer in charleston who's ready.

Hey. How about what would that relationship be like? Well, no, now people are spreading rumors

that Craig is dating Sutton. So that's funny. No, so they met up in L.A. when he was out there for something with the fires.

I saw that post on Sutton's page. That would, hey, talk about a power couple though. You know? They know. They know.

Let's see. From Melanie Leigh, Melanie Lege. I'm stuck on the wrong thing. Is this Emmy off her rocker? Her outsized reactions are too much. So, look, I agree. The reactions are a little wacky.

I think that points further to the current place she's in mentally. Yeah. And emotionally, then who she is actually. So I actually don't think this is who she is actually. I think she's in a really bad. spot that Will has put her in and she feels like she's defending the relationship constantly and that's got to be exhausting mentally and physically and at the same time it doesn't seem like will's really defending the relationship he's just defending himself so that kind of puts it into

perspective for you yep agreed from jess brum anyone wish michael's would have asked the group to chill out on emmy since he had already spoken to her privately and clearly she wasn't going to receive the info well no no no because the whole group is involved because of of her boyfriend, okay? It is what it is. They were dragged into this bullshit. And also, Michaels did not get an actual answer from her. Correct. She just played it off. So this is a better setting. You know what? I went to you one on one. You basically called me dumb and just ignored me and just tried to run around. No, not going to do that. Let's bring it up in a group setting because now we can hold you accountable and you'll actually listen to us or you'll freak out

and run away. One of the two. Yep. Yeah. I'll end with that one. oh this is funny from julia harp 73 erika 2.0 mascara yeah i clocked oh yeah she was she didn't wear waterproof mascara either nope was it a moose somebody somebody asked which uh waterproof mascara we'd recommend for emmy i don't know oh shit yeah i'm not our department no i can poppy's big into makeup now i'll ask her there you go sure this is a good public service and we'll do two more so this a good PSA from Rockstar 0521. Can you reiterate that if you smack your head into a pool,

go to the hospital ASAP. Don't go to bed. Good concussion protocol there. If you feel like you're concussed, don't go to sleep. Go to the hospital. Thank you, Rockstar 0521. And everybody knows now. The last one, don't you for president. What will it take for Emmy

to leave will? We don't know, but I wanted to end it with this. Also, hashtag Chiefs Kingdom. See y'all at the Super Bowl. You sure will because we're bringing the fucking thunder this time. And Patrick Mahomes, Kermit the fucking frog is going to leave crying.

Travis Kelsey's going to retire and move in with Taylor Swift in in fucking wherever she lives. Goodbye. We're there to kick teeth in all directions, right? Yeah. Their teeth are going to be kicked all about the field. You're going to find teeth from the bayou to the fucking. super dumb because

fuck the chiefs love you we love you don't you for president but we hate the chiefs with a fiery fiery fashion we've been waiting for this for three fucking years and everybody hates the Super Bowl which makes it even funnier it's so good you think that we care that you guys don't want to watch these two teams play it makes it better

we love it but yeah got anything else nope no go birds that's our show and the bro's got to go Robbros are out of here? Yeah.

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