Bros & Shows - Wine 'em and Dine 'em, Don't 'em Curse and Shrine 'em (Southern Charm Full Recap, RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

Whats up Bro's! We just got back from LA and we had ourselves a weekend and an amazing live show. But we are back to recap Southern Charm first. It's the annual gentleman's dinner at Patricia's. Tensions are still running high between Shep and Austen but he refuses to acknowledge it. Taylor shares who initiated it between her and Austen. Things get tense at the Dude's dinner (which is Royal Family themed) and this group seems to be a powder keg waiting for that spark. Then we're in Potomac. Ashley comes clean about being the one to initiate the Osu conversation, not Nneka, but Wendy doesn't seem thrilled about it. Robyn continues to defend her and Juan's relationship. Karen and Robyn agree to attempt to move forward. Candiace and Ashley agree to be cordial, but will it last? Nneka makes some strong statements about Wendy and her mom... and we have potential curses being put on people in Potomac. This episode is brought to you by Bubly. Enjoy a carbonated beverage without the guilt. No sugar, No artificial flavors and NO CALORIES. With countless flavors to choose from, Bubly is our go to drink. Go to Bubly.com to purchase or to find a store near you. Crack a smile with Bubly! Time Stamps: Southern Charm (12:32) RHOP (42:21) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everyone, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined us. always by the one and only shooter maguter what's up shoots what do you want we can tell everybody

that i just it took me three tries to get our intro right because i forgot the words because i'm still a little brain dead yeah very brain dead usually these cold openings just kind of come to me yeah i got fucking nothing dude oh you're dead your ice cold ice oh yeah well i will let everybody know i lit a fire so we're in my back room that's the studio and it's an awesome room got like a nice brick wall to it. It was an addition later on when they built the house. It's also got this beautiful wood fire fireplace, like a stove in the back. But due to poor insulation, it gets a little chilly back here.

So the bros are cozied up by a fire right now. I might fall asleep. I'm not going to lie. You can't do that because we got things that we need to discuss on here. Does anybody ever fall in asleep on a podcast? Just like, that's nothing to do with the content or anything that we're doing. It's just me. Yeah, actually.

You know what? Part of my take, Billy Football fell asleep on one. Oh, that was on a Zoom. the doghouse for a while. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. There's one. There's one.

All right. There we go. I'll cold open you. So we got back from L.A. It was an amazing weekend. The boys balled out, out and, uh... Hold on. Before we move forward, what do you mean, you'll cold open me?

I'll cold open you. That sounds hot. Yeah, you like that? Yeah. I'm in, though. I'm back. I'm back. That's all I needed to do.

I need to get you riled up a little bit. A little riled up a little riled. I'm ready to roll. Okay, cool. Let me cold open you again. So we spent the weekend in L.A. That my brother's house in, how do you say it? Los Felix.

Los Felix, as Shooter calls it, either Los Feliz or Los Felix were his two beginning options. We got it down to Los Felis. That's how the locals say it. Yeah, I'm not really worried about what the locals say. I just start reading signs. Well, I didn't get myself into too much trouble, which is good, because I did say, I think, on our Uber from L.A.X.

to his house, about five or six different things, completely incorrect. Yes. So I just kind of kept my mouth shut. Well, I want to do this because for the longest time, you've had some preconceived notions about L.A. You seem to have some negativity towards L.A., if you will. So after spending the weekend there, because I like L.A. I love visiting L.A.

I'm definitely not a Westcoaster where I could live out there, but I love visiting, like three, four, five days, and then get me back out of there. Perfect. What are your thoughts? I think my thoughts, the positive takeaways. Let me go. Yeah, let's do that. Probably have nothing to do with the city itself.

Okay. The positive takeaways are the weather. Yeah. Great weather, which we looked like clowns, Saturday or Sunday morning walking around because we had shorts and t-shirts on. I guess it's winter for them. So there's people walking around with like their hoodies and vests and they're all puffed up and it's freezing to them.

I was having a great time. Yeah. So we clearly did not look like locals. However, great weather. I also love the time difference. The idea that I can watch football at 10 a.m. And then the Sunday night games at 5, which we didn't get to catch anyway, which wasn't a good game. But I love the idea of that.

Yeah. As far as the city itself. Not the city. Maybe not the city, but the area. Like, I liked where we stayed. That was a cool. Brooks's spots are really good. Like that lowest-feilis area, like right near Silver Lake.

Silver Lake, yeah. Those places were really cool. I like that, which, you know, I don't know if that goes. to show you what L.A. is, but the city itself, still not impressed. Well, we went downtown and had, like, an L.A. brunch at Perch, which was great. You want to tell a story after? That we were walking around the jewelry district and saw a big pile of human shit on the sidewalk that somebody had unfortunately stepped in and did, like, a cartoon slip on.

You could clearly see the heel where they landed in the poop. Hey, we're back to poop. See, things are normal again. We're home. Yeah, things are back. We're home. Back to the poop. Yeah, we slipped on the poop. We fell for the trap that pretty much every traveler to every city ever falls for. Yeah. Hey, let's go grab some brunch.

I had a few drinks. Oh, there's a dispensary nearby. Let's just walk and not figure out where we are. Just bop around. And, you know, we got to see some of the city. It wasn't, like, the coolest area ever. We did see a pile of poop. But the brunch spot was great.

Perch. Perch was dope. Perch was really good. Just, you know, downtown alley. And, like, look, we're from Philly. So I'm not putting my nose up in the air to anybody. at all. Our city is gross in some areas.

But we love it. We do love it. I will say. I was just under-impressed with how much there was. There wasn't like a lot to do. Not in the downtown area. That's again the surrounding. I don't know that much about it.

There were no restaurants. There's no bars. It was just like jewelry stores, cash for gold, which, come to think of it now that we're saying it out loud, we probably should have realized where we were before. But you know what? What are you going to do? But this show was amazing. We had an absolute blast with everybody there.

It was a giant on- ensemble of Bravo content creators. Reza was there, Gigi was there, Doty was there, all of them were great. Reza was hysterical. Doty let some shit slip on stage, which was funny. Yep, always good. We hung out with Luke or boyfriend for a while.

Pleasure as always, but we had a really nice time out in L.A. At a great show. We're really happy to be back in our comfort zones. We were talking about that pre-show. These seats in here, like this room, like brings us back to neutral. It does. It honestly does. And I just found out, which is great for.

Bravo content. I don't have to go to the office for like a month. Let's go. We just get to do whatever the hell we want. Yeah, no rules. No rules. Just kidding. I still have to work at home. But there's one rule. We did, in true fashion, true bro fashion, make sure that we got the flight so that we could get home in time for the birds last night. And the funny thing is everybody that I've talked to, including your wife when I came over last night, they're like, are you guys not tired of each other yet? I think we spend so much time together now that it just doesn't

matter. No, it doesn't. Like, obviously, today, you know, I don't have to see it for a couple of days. Thank God. Fine. Fine by both of us. However, no, every person I talked to, I called my mom today, let her know how the trip was.

She's like, where'd you watch the game last night? Oh, Steeles. Why? You guys aren't tired of each other? We come attached. Yeah, you gave me a cold open and now we're just join somewhere. Now we're just attached at the tip. Hip.

Is that a new human centipede? Yeah. Surgically attached at the tip. I don't like this at all. I don't like this at all. I don't like this. Let's get back to, let's get to Bravo stuff. Enough of your nonsense.

We're delirious. Yeah, we are. This is going to be a fun episode for everybody listening. Yeah, good luck. But we need to talk about some power rankings because it's that time of the week. So I'm going to go first this week. And I've got five being Potomac. Okay.

I've got four Beverly Hills. I've got three. Miami. to Salt Lake, one Southern Charm still. Okay. I think that's pretty good. I've got Miami of five. Okay.

Still need to see more. I know that we didn't really get a whole lot last week. Obviously, the Larsa of it all. While it's good TV, I didn't really enjoy it. So, you know, it's not enough for them to bump up anywhere. But again, it's not a bad five. It's not an O.C.5, if you will. It's just...

O.C. was never five. O. C was like 50. Yeah. That number just kind of. growing it was great so yeah i've got miami at five i'm going to put potomac at four beverly hills three salt lake two southern charm one okay i like that yeah yeah and i'm i'm with you that's why these are tougher power rankings than we've had so there's no like standout bad shows right now it's a problem to have yeah we actually have to think for sure but uh

i think southern charm is just above and beyond the other shows though which is interesting because like everyone's having a good season southern charm this could be one of their best seasons ever and I might get some shit for that but it is so good I feel like this is their best season ever like you can tell every episode and while there's still overlaying issues and there's a storyline if you will there's new evidence there's new conversations that come into play pretty much every week so it doesn't seem like it's getting stale even though they're not coming up with new information they're not coming up with like a new aspect or a fight or whatever you want to say it's just getting deeper and deeper

and they're answering the questions that we kind of want the answers to. I think that a big part of it is like we're used to scandals obviously relationship scandals, cheating scandals, all that shit, but it seems more played up I guess like where they're

oh they were hiding this but it's a big reveal and all they were hiding this but it's a big reveal this seems like they're genuinely trying to hide shit and they genuinely just keep unearthing things and they're like fuck like stop digging And it just all seems so organic. And you've got Craig on the other side of it and having the dynamic of a best friend still be supportive of Austin. But the whole time saying, no, you keep fucking this up.

You're fucked up. This whole situation sucks. I don't stand by you there. But I stand by as a friend. Like you have so many dynamics. You have the scorned X and Shep who's trying his best to stay amicable because he's a gentleman, which is hysterical. That is really funny. I'm just genuinely a happy guy.

Yeah. Like what a response? Like, you're allowed to be upset, man. Like, I would say that, like, genuinely, I'm a pretty happy guy. But if I don't like somebody, I'm not going to hang out with them. Like, if somebody did something to me, I'm just going to cut them off. Yeah, it's not going to affect me being happy still. It's almost more damning if you, you know, bite your tongue and just hang out with people that score you because then you kind of look like a bitch.

Yeah, and then you're not going to be happy anymore. No, not at all because now you're a bitch. No, I agree. And I think that the good thing about Southern Charm has been, obviously, you know, watching for a couple of years, they have all kind of grown within themselves. Except Austin. Even Austin has... He's more self-aware of...

Exactly, but that's a huge, huge jump from where he was a couple years ago. But if you were to compare pretty much everybody on the show, who they are today and where they were five, six years ago, it's vastly different. I know, you know, they're still Peter Pan... Peter Panman. Peter Panman?

Oh, fuck. I think Whitney said something. Peter Pan? Peter Pan. Now we're just stuck. I don't know what you're trying to say. Peter Pan syndrome? Maybe.

Peter. Are you trying to say the plural of Peter Pan? Yep. Oh. I wanted to say Peter Penn. Peter Penn. Yeah. What do you call a lot of pens?

Penns. Wow. Not pans. Peter. Peter. Pants. Let's just go with Pants. That's not that much fun.

It's not fun. Peter Potts. Pods? Fots and pans. Oh, I like that. All right. It makes no sense to anybody but us. Anyway, you can see the difference between where they were a couple years ago and where they are.

Now, I don't think that this storyline looks even remotely the same as it would if it were to be the same thing five, six years ago. Because you wouldn't have a mature Craig. Okay. You wouldn't have a self-aware Austin. You wouldn't have Shep. I don't think that Shep would have been as amicable with Austin, say, four or five years ago as he is now. I think he would be taking, so I think you'd try to be as amicable. as he is, I think he'd be taking more shots without even knowing it.

Yeah, probably. I think that we would just get like one or two more really drunk blowups from Shep. Okay. Because he's just internalizing everything. Yeah, we definitely still could get. But I just feel like the way that it works and to kind of like touch with your dynamics, the dynamics of the whole group, it works really well for the storyline. Yeah.

Because we get to know them even more and how they actually think, how, you know, a crazy situation like this can cause them to completely implode or how they're going to be able to handle it. And I feel like it's working really well this year. And like I said, even though there's not new things that are dropping every episode, the conversations are just captivating. They're so captivating. And with that, let's just jump right into Southern Charm. But we start out at Patricia's House and it is their annual gentleman's dinner. I call it the dude's dinner. That makes more sense to me. Yes.

But they're having the dudes dinner, and they're having a meeting beforehand, and it's Whitney and Shep and Patricia, and they're recapping what happened in the mountains. And Taylor comes up, and he mentions that they kissed. What we didn't really get, and we got more of it today, was the fact that there was a kiss. Then he went to bed. Then she entered the room and tried to wake him up. So from what it sounds like, she wanted more out of this. Yes.

and Shep was the one that turned her away and in his confessional he says I don't want this to happen again I really don't think Shep wants to push it to that place. I do think that he just wants a friendship with her. Yeah. Which is interesting because I would imagine that he would jump at any chance he had to hook up. So that was actually

surprising for me and he might have been too drunk to even wake up but it's a possibility. I mean he was really drunk and obviously emotions were all over the place so I honestly wouldn't have even faulted him if anything more did happen. But I For whatever reason, weirdly enough, I believed him when he said that. He said that he doesn't want to backslide. And I think it really is that he knows now he does not want a relationship at all.

Right. He knows that nothing good is going to come from hooking up with Taylor. Now, obviously, she's the one who perpetrated it and came in and kissed him so he could hold that over her head, which he might do. He will. Which he definitely will do. But for him to have the awareness of, okay, yeah, no, if anything more happens, then it would just get messier and messier, and then I'll never be her friend. Right.

Because that's really, that's the only thing that can come out of that. You're not going to get into another relationship with her. It's not good for either of you. You hook up and go a little bit further than that. She's going to regret it.

She's going to keep her distance. So I think he understands that as much. I don't, you know, again, you have to sit down with Whitney and Patricia and talk about it. I don't understand why you're talking to them about it.

But I think that- They seem to be his confidant. Yeah, they probably are. It's funny because I was, I was waiting to see what Whitney's reaction was. just because I want to see how Whitney feels about Taylor

because I want to know if there's more to that like if he got a nude he might be thinking all right maybe I will hook up with Taylor maybe that could happen and he didn't at all like no his reaction was just like shit what are you doing chef I don't think that he I don't know

he like the way that he operates and his feelings he's just on a different level like I don't know what he's thinking and personally we know nothing about it going to because he's a producer on the show So he's going to make sure that he shows what he wants you to see at Whitney to a certain extent. Like he's not going to dive into the closets of his relationships and stuff like that because he doesn't want that shit getting out there.

I'm sure I'm almost positive that if we were able to successfully dig into Whitney's drama, there's probably a laundry list. Oh, I'm sure there's, it's probably really good TV too. It's probably fantastic TV. He's such a strange dude. But he's got enough going on with the people on the show that he doesn't have to worry about that aspect of it. but they do say that they're going to have, like, a royal theme to this. And I have to ask you, because I have my thoughts and feelings on the royal family. The stupidest fucking thing in the world.

People who are obsessed with the royal family, one, not our country, get over it. Like, seriously, I guess I would understand it a little bit more if the people in England were obsessed with them because they're monarchs and it's, like, cool for them and classic, I don't care. But to be in America and be obsessed with the royal family is weird. I don't understand it, I guess. And, like, I'm not saying that if you, you're saying that if you're into it, you're weird. I'm not saying that. I just simply don't understand.

Like, what's the allure? They don't do anything. They're just born. They run charities. They live in the biggest, most expensive place in the country. And they lost the taxpayers millions of millions of dollars. Yeah. So I just, I guess I don't understand it.

Yeah. It doesn't click. I don't vibe with it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, there's a reason why the world doesn't have monarchs really anymore. And it's because just because, just because, you're born, doesn't make you special. I think that's what I'm getting at, yeah.

But anyway, now that we've taken a dig with the world family. You're not even attractive. Let's just keep going. They're not even hot. Like, at least if they were hot, you'd be like, all right, like beautiful people. That's cool. Beautiful people in a position of power. Love that.

You see like a prime minister or something pop up and you're like, all right. That's a sexy prime minister. Like a sexy dude, sexy girl, prime minister, all in on that. I'll be obsessed with that and then I'll start listening to politics. I don't give a shit about the royal family. No, I don't either. All right. I'm glad we cleared that up.

Yep, there we go. Moving on, we get to Paige and Craig, and they're talking about, what else would they be talking about? They're talking about the future, and they're trying to figure out their plans moving forward. It's the same conversation that we've heard, time in, timeout, with no real resolution. And it almost sounds like Paige is surprised. She's like, oh, you're trying to marry me? It's like, you know he is. You've had this talk.

We've talked about this. We talked about it on Summer House. We're talking about it on Southern Charm. I'm sure he talked about it on Winterhouse at some point. It comes up all the time. I don't see any leeway, any budging. I don't, like, she comes up with the same kind of arguments and stuff like that. And look, this is not me talking smack on their relationship.

They seem great. Like, they seem like they're cool. They seem like they love each other. All that good stuff, all the things you want in a good relationship. For me, though, at what point are we going to get that next conversation where it moves forward? I mean, we got to talk about, well, she needs friends. She likes Madison. Okay, great.

but there's a lot more to this in like moving this relationship forward and she says you know I feel like we're still young like yeah sure you are Craig's older so he wants things different sooner and I guess are we reaching a point where there's going to be a breaking point I know you talked about it last week or two weeks ago that at some point you wouldn't be surprised if there was kind of a blow up moment whereas I said I could see this kind of continuing how it is but I think that you're naive to think that there's not some very serious sit-down and relatively soon where it's like, look, what the fuck are we doing?

Yeah, I think you're right. I'm trying to figure out where the angle is on all of this because Bravo teased it last week in the scenes from this week, and they made it seem like Paige was kind of an asshole during the conversation and kind of downplayed. And I didn't think she was at all. Even the comment about, like, what are you trying to marry me?

Like, that's just playful flirting. No, no, I know you're good with it. I'll stop mansplaining to you. No, it's okay. You can mansplain to me. But no, I think that the way that Bravo is trying to paint it is, okay, there's more drama here. And there's really not because we're kind of stagnant at this point. And again, as long as the two of them are okay with the fact that they're stagnant, which, you know, we don't think that Craig really is.

But what's he going to do? He's not going to break up with her. It's the love of his life. So he wants to continue. And he knows that eventually something's going to give and they're going to be able to figure the whole thing out. I think we're just kind of seeing baby steps, which baby steps don't really apply to reality TV. We want everything now. And instead we're getting, okay, well, I need to have a home base down here.

So Craig re-does his entire house, buys a house, re-does the entire thing. She really likes the house. Okay, cool. Now what's next? Okay, I need friends. I like Madison. Hang out with Madison. I think based on the conversations that we get, whether it's with Craig and Page or later,

when Shep says, I don't even know Paige, like she doesn't come out, I think what they're leading into is we're going to have to have at some point a scene or an entire episode where Craig and Page go out. and all the boys down there are just complete assholes probably. And there could be a blow up from that where Paige says, I don't want to hang out with people like Shep and Austin because they're annoying and they need to grow the fuck up and they're not mature. As we've seen Greg, or Craig, Greg, as we've seen Craig grow up over the last couple of years, the rest of them haven't. So I don't blame Paige in the sense that she wants to go to Madison.

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Oh, no, they can successfully have a long distance to the marriage. In the beginning, I was going to say she could see how happy Madison is with like a wife, with a husband and a kid, but her husband's gone a lot. So that actually might hurt Craig's argument. She'd be like, see, he's out and about in California. all the time and they're fine so we're fine today I didn't think about that part

so it's a double-edged sword who knows I mean at the bottom line you just do the Malibu voice I did do the Malibu voice couple of brews cold beach what is it cold brews cold brews beautiful babes beautiful babe cold brew and I'm fine

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Aha, I'm going to bleep that. Beep. But moving on, we get Rod and Leva. I don't think it's really important. They're trying to keep some life in this Rod Olivia thing. I don't think it's going to pan out. But we get to J.T. and Taylor's picnic. Fucking hell.

And I was actually bummed. I didn't get to watch this scene with you because I would love to hear your commentary during it. Dude is fucking delusional. The Lulu, if you will. He's Delulu A.F. Because, look, however you want to look at that weekend or, that night away in the mountains. He was like, I had your back, Taylor.

It's like, Taylor doesn't really deserve to have support in that moment. I mean, well, neither does Shep, to be clear. Neither did Shep, to be clear. Yeah, absolutely not. But like, she poked the bear. Sheep responded with a really, really asshole thing to say. They both sucked in that moment. Then, you know, she's not helping herself because then she makes out with Shep and then she gets

in bed with Shep. And I'm not placing blame. I understand there's a lot going on here. but it's like if you want to clean up your image, if you want to start going down a better path here and not give people ammo against you when you're trying to get back in the good graces of people, you have to make better decisions,

especially when the people around you are trying to help you do so, even Austin. When he has that scene where it's like, it was pathetic, and he clearly took it personally. Yeah. That's what that was. He was just lashing out because he was bummed out that she got in bed with Shep,

but had nothing to do with the fact that she was backsliding. I genuinely believe that. But at the same time, if he was being nice, there and trying to say like I'm trying to support her and she's not accepting the help all of these people are in your ear Olivia has even sat down and given you the time of day they're trying to help you you are a disaster right now and you're not helping yourself at all not only that but JT did not have her back no he did he do he made a face yeah he just stood there sick super supportive face that you made there that really helped her out you didn't say she didn't do anything

you came in and try to break up the tension and make a joke when everybody's freaking the fuck out like you're not even part of it you're just not part of this crew you have no leg to stand on you shouldn't be talking about anything that you don't understand and it's so fucking weird like of course the dude has his own little picnic set i know right what a dork if you're a single guy out all the single guys out there you're a single guy out there and you've got single talk with shoots single talk with shoots if you're a single guy and you've got a picnic set grow up i disagree and i know i'm married so maybe my you have a picnic set i don't have a picnic set but I think that if you do it the right way

and you have the picnic set and you can play it off like, oh, it's so cute, if it's not serious. But I feel like his was serious. His was serious, and it got to the point where I, I'm actually going to give him credit

first time all season, when Taylor started saying, oh, yeah, I kissed him. It was sort of like an apology kiss. And J.T. said, do you usually kiss people after or as an apology? That was a good line. I thought he was going to immediately say,

well, I don't know I just like piss you off or something right now and then we can kiss as an apology. That would have been funny too. That wouldn't have been funny. That would have been exactly what I expected. Oh, you think that that would be his move. That would absolutely be a move. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Yeah. Well, the big bombshell that was dropped is that she initiated with Austin. Yes. And I was actually surprised that she was the one that pushed it to that level. And it's confirmed later by Austin and we'll get there. But J.T. even says, he goes, that's a pretty big bombshell. I was like, yeah, it is. And that's going to piss a lot of people off.

Because I think that if it was either mutual or Austin-centric, this is where they should have had a meeting, Austin and Taylor and been like, all right, can we just say that you did it because you're not going to catch as much shit? Or just, hey, we don't really know how it happened. I don't know, though, because I feel like, and, you know, this is just a logical person speaking, none of the people on the show are logical. No. If it's Taylor that initiated, I'm going to give her a little more grace because of where her life is currently.

versus Austin doing it, that's bad. I agree with that. If Austin initiated, then it's like, oh, you're an absolute scumbag. You've been planning on this forever, and you're the one who started this and pushed a vulnerable girl over the edge. It made out with her. That's fucked up, dude. Taylor doing it, it's all of a sudden, okay, Taylor's spiraling. She doesn't know where her head is.

You guys were drunk. She initiated. That's what happened. And you guys truly didn't do anything more than that. That's not as bad. That's logical. Yes. I'm speaking from a place of who's going to catch the.

most shit for this because you know that on Austin's side. Oh, you're right. Yeah. The dudes are going to sweep it under the rug. For sure. That's all I'm saying. I'm not, I think that again, logically, your way makes way more sense. But from the mind of these people. I think J.T. was hoping it was Austin that initiated

so that he could continue to rip him apart. Watching him get crushed when she talks about other guys is honestly not my favorite thing. Dude, they went on a European trip. He feels like he's known her for 20 years. He's got to me. You know, Just instantly clicked, you know?

The more we talk about him and the more he does, the more I start to feel bad for him. I don't. And even Dev said that other thing, I feel bad for him. I was like, I don't. And as I'm sitting here talking to you, I'll be damned if I do feel a little bit bad for him. I think the problem is that you, you didn't, but now you've met the boss of hating J.T. And now you're like, all right, maybe I'm not as bad as you. Yeah.

So you're looking at me and you're like, I'm not as bad as you. CEO. I do actually kind of feel bad. Well, regardless, let's move on, and we get Craig and Austin, and they are sitting at the bar. And this is my issue with Austin once again, because Olivia texts him twice. He's like, look, two texts, two texts from Olivia. It's really convenient that you can sit there now in front of a camera with your buddy and act like you're not playing into this. Open the text.

Let's go through the last like 12 hours and see the responses replies and how much you're texting back. You're making it seem as though she won't leave you alone and that there's something more here. That's just not a good look. Do you think that noise that his phone made when he got the text messages was actually his phone? Or do you think production was production? So that those, because my thought is those texts probably came through 10, 15 minutes ago, like on the way over. And he just left them on his home screen so that he could show Craig. I 1,000% agree.

All of that was calculated. Yeah. That's my point. Why is production helping him out then? I think because it plays further into a good season where they're like, ooh, let's keep stirring up the drama these two. But that was a move.

He planned that. He's like, now I can show that I'm being the good friend and I'm doing the best. And he's saying, you know, I'm really trying not to jumble it up. I just, I'm starting to not believe that. I think that his intentions are pure. I think that he wants to be the good friend.

I think that he wants to be able to stand by her and help without getting overly involved and without pushing it to a different level. I think that's what he, in his heart of hearts, once. I don't think he's capable of pulling that off. And I say that because of his reaction to Taylor getting in bed with Shep, when it's personal, when it's somebody that's close to him, somebody that he's been intimate with, he has this weird,

it's not even protecting thing. He just has this weird. It's almost ownership where he's like, no, no, like that's fucked because you're now laying with Shep, but you told me one thing. And we kissed, like you're not supposed to be with Shep again. That's fucked. And then with Olivia, I think that he wants to play the role of the help friend, but I think that he is physically incapable of doing that without muddying the waters.

You might be right. I have a different take on it. I think that Taylor waking up with Shep that day was officially the end of Austin Taylor, their like deep friendship and all that shit that was going on. Oh, that was like the final thing. Yeah. I think he finally realized like, well, this is very messy, very toxic. I obviously imparted to a lot of this.

I can remove myself from this and kind of stay away. He's in two situations right now that are both terrible. Yeah. Like that's got to be tough. And him even... Or him. He put himself there. Well, of course. Yeah, I know. No, I'm not saying like, I feel bad for him. I'm just saying that's got to be tough to navigate. Oh, yeah, sure.

That's crazy. I can't even figure that. However, I kind of took him for face value on this one. I think that he, him saying it to Craig of all people, I think he's taking a little bit ownership. And I think he's saying, I do want to be friends with her. I'm trying to keep her at, like, a friend's length. However, there are, you know, stepping stones in there where it's going to be a very confusing time. And he might find himself in another situation with Olivia. She's taking off her bra. They're watching a movie. And it doesn't end the same way that it did two weeks ago. I think he knows that that could be coming and he wants to try to get

ahead of it. I hope. But again, like him, it goes back to the texts because him having those ready to go like look she won't leave me alone yeah again open the screen because i don't think that it's that one's you're making it seem like it's one-sided and you're this holier than now austin that's not playing into it she won't stop texting me open it show us how much you've been responding and how much like you've been sending text to her don't just be like that is a shame you won't leave it alone it's like this to me is a setup and you're trying to show the one guy that will believe in you that you can have some kind of come to jesus moment right and i it just the texts make the whole scene fishy and for me everything he says after that moment i take with a

grain of salt now i think i just want so bad for them to not hook up i don't want to see it i really don't want them i understand tv wise that would be you know a good turn for the season but i don't want to see it i don't want to get involved in any of that so i'm hoping that what he's saying is true what's interesting is that if he wasn't a fuck boy if he could control himself and be faithful they make a whole lot of sense to me yeah but i don't think he can now hopefully the austin of the future can with whoever he ends up with awesome of the future austin of the future my new album pretty good uh oh okay you can say it sounds like a disney channel original movie oh remember those yeah man those are the days but we get to the dudes dinner and everybody arrives they got their smoking jackets on if you

owned a smoking jacket what color would it be and why Hmm I don't know I do like the dark red ones I think they look pretty good Okay I'd probably go with a dark green though Oh interesting why

It brings out my eyes a little bit better Interesting From what I understand I was gonna go with like a hunter green Okay Since you pick green I think I would You don't want to wear green with me

No no I would But just for the sake of You know Adding more to the conversation Same Same All right let's move on Yeah I would also

be happy with like a classic like black velvet black suede kind of yeah that is that is you know with like some white uh what do you call accoutrement if you will where a dude's dinner let's fancy salute but uh i thought it was weird that and this shows me that there's a lot more animosity than chef's leading on because no one asked him and he just like hey austin taylor's dogs at my house and so is her car out of left field and I was flummoxed. I'm like, do you want to start the evening off this way? Yes, he does.

Why? No idea. I don't even think Shep knows why. It just comes out of his mouth. He can't help himself, but it was weird. And then it goes into what happened at the mountains. We find out that they made out, then she went to the room. That's when she tried to wake him up.

But why bring that up immediately? I have no idea. Honestly, I think that Shep has never acted on any sort of animosity. he's always just tried to keep things chill. I think it's boiling over to the point where he can't control it. Yeah, I think he doesn't know how to have a beef. Like, he's just shouting random things out. I think that Craig pegs it perfectly, this whole scene.

I think that he calls Shep out because those two are kind of going out and not really. And Craig finally is like, you can just say that you really fucked me over and I don't know how to be friends with you anymore. Yeah. Because if this was me and he hooked up with Paige, I would have no idea how to to move forward with him. And Craig gets into his brocode, which he's the only one that can go on this rant. The only brocode that made sense. Yeah. And I'm like, that is brocode. All this brocode nonsense we've gotten out of JT and all of this shit during the season. All of that is

farce. It is a fallacy. Incorrect. Craig explains it perfectly. This is what brocode is. He didn't adhere to it. You're supposed to be mad. You bottling all of this shit up is only going to result in you being an angry person. And you like to gallivant around and claim that you're not an angry person that you're always cool, calm, and collected, there are moments and instances where you can lash out and say, hey, Austin, you probably shouldn't have hooked up with my ex because we're best friends and you're fucking gross. And at this time and place, I don't think we can be friends. Hopefully there's a way forward in the future. But until I'm cool with you, because I'm not right now, we're not good. But he's holding so strongly onto this gentleman narrative. I'm a gentleman.

I'm happy all the time. First and foremost, sir, you are far from a gentleman. You are far from a gentleman. Just because you grew up rich and you have nice things and you speak a certain way doesn't make you a gentleman. You can have a black tie and be a douchebag. Guess what? Look in the mirror, Shep. You're not vindicated in my eyes because you got fucked over this season. And for him to play this role of, this would be the one time he could garner sympathy correctly. This is what's crazy. He's not playing the game the right way. Which I guess to his credit, at least he's being authentic? He is definitely being authentic, but it's not helping anyone. I mean, even Austin's sitting there like, dude, just fucking yell at me. Yeah, he wants it. He wants it because he knows he deserves

it. Like, that's the one thing. Like, Austin is being pretty real about this whole thing. Yeah, dude, it's a fucked up situation. I'm sorry that I'm even involved in it. Yell at me. Get mad at me. Show me that you're angry at me. Hit me, daddy. Hit me, daddy. Give me a little spank on the bottom. But showing me that you're, you know, trying to play it cool and all this. Like, we sat here weeks ago and said, why is he trying to play it so cool? He must have an ulterior motive. He must be playing the game. He's going to hold it against Taylor and basically, like, kidnap her into friendship, using

this information, using this situation. Instead, it's just some weird thing that Shep's doing where he doesn't feel like getting into a fight with somebody. I think, honestly, I always forget, and when Shep said he's 43 years old, I think Shep is worried that he's going to lose friends. I think that's, like, a big thing for him. We actually see it all over. in the beginning of the season with Austin, where he said

Shep was gone, Craig was up in New York, all my friends were gone, I had nothing to do for the weekend. These dudes are old. They are old men, and they are trying to go out every weekend. If they lose one friend, that's half their social life easily. I don't think Shep is in a position right now where he already said, I don't want to get into a relationship

so he doesn't have somebody close to him. He doesn't want to lose a friend because if he loses a friend, he's going to lose a drinking buddy. He's going to lose somebody to go out with on a Friday night and hit on chicks that are half their age. Perfectly said. I think you just gave me an aha like light bold moment she was afraid to be alone i think that's true the rest of it honestly i have to like force the analytics because i have no fucking idea and i don't think chef

the rest of it's a question mark and i don't know like you'd have to be able to step into the psyche of a ship like person very difficult really hard to do especially if you don't have that kind of money but i think that's that's the nail on the head i think he's afraid to be alone he's getting older and he wants his drinking buddies agreed well put but The end of the night is the boy smoking Stogie's outside, and I will say right before the scene, Shep's leaving. Like, he just gets up and, like, bounces. And when he's talking to Craig, this goes to show you that Shep doesn't know how to function right now. Yep.

Because he's like, I said everything I wanted to say. Did I? Did I say everything? And Craig, I don't know. Probably not. Well, yeah, I doubt it. You've got more in there. You guys still seem, quote, unquote, cool in your own eyes.

even though, like, this is what's crazy. They both will sit there and bury shit, even when it's, like, right in front of their face. It's right there. Just talk about it now. Go in the other room and talk about it. Stop trying to bury shit, but even Shep's questioning what he just said.

Craig's like, are you cool? No, no, he's not. Like, get it out. One way or the other, fucking fight. I don't care. But have it out, because this will not end well. This will end with a massive blowout with those two probably not talking again,

except they will because they're Austin and Shep, and they'll probably smooth it over the next day just so they don't lose a friend. But again, we get back to the end of the evening and we get some prop bets. Love a good prop bet. We get some prop bets on what actually happened between Austin and Taylor

and Craig asks Whitney, like, what do you think? He's like, I'm assuming they fucked. And he's like, well, you have to give me your whole house because no, we didn't. The timeline now, and this is where we keep getting those nuggets of knowledge that keep this show great, now the timeline's skewed.

Because we have thought, or it's been implied, that something may have happened in New York. Yeah. I don't think it was flat out said New York. No. And even the cutscenes don't make it, like, apparent that it was New York. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. Well, big news to share it, right?

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becoming famous has truly impacted their lives and what their vision is for their future. This is the real reality. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcast. But the timeline begins in New York, and allegedly that's where they had kissed. We don't know that for sure, but fast forward, regardless, they had made out and made the decision to not continue forward, and then they had the sleepovers. So you're telling me that after you canoodle with Taylor. But I always thought that.

Yeah, because they were having sleepovers as early or as recently. as, like, the first episode. I guess I never broke it down. And they supposedly hooked up before that. Okay, fair. I had never broken it down. It's definitely super weird, but it's not new information. Like, none of this is really new.

I think that everybody thought this was going to be a huge bombshell. I don't think this is a bombshell at all. I don't think that they ever said, we made out in New York. We sat down in New York and figured it out. Go back to the tapes. Taylor said it was after New York. This was three weeks later. Timelines, obviously, on this show make no sense to us ever.

Timelines never make sense to us. Timelines just never make sense in general. It is time. I don't know, dude. Flat sir. You want to know? I have no idea because we flew back yesterday and Bosley, three hours ago in L.A. hours ago, I don't know what's going on.

However, when they're going through all of this, I'm like, okay, that's not like a huge thing. They, yeah, I guess the rest of the crew now found out, oh, you had the sleepovers after you made out. That's really weird, which it is, objectively speaking, very fucking strange. You're having platonic sleepovers with somebody you made out when you're both single. This isn't like a, at least in my eyes, this isn't a, oh shit, Taylor and Austin did not get their story straight and now Austin just outed Taylor and there's a whole new thing because once you start lying about something and somebody finds out that you lied about it, everybody's just going to peek into the specifics of the situation and say, oh, there's definitely more here.

You guys definitely hooked on more than once. You guys definitely fucked. You guys did this and that and whatever. I don't think that much new has been shared here, at least with the audience. I think that regardless of how big this bombshell is, I think it's enough to rattle the cages of Austin where he's going to get frustrated. Right. And Taylor's going to get frustrated. when he relays the information to her, neither of them are very good at like maintaining control and not kind of taking it to the next level. Or what's really funny,

considering he's done stupid shit so often, they're not good at hiding things. So I think that this might be enough to rattle the cages to get more out. I don't know. I think that they, I'm starting to think that this was timed up, actually. What are the odds that Taylor sits down with JT

and says, I initiated? And then that night, Austin is open about. about it and says she initiated. You think it was weird. Man. Yeah. Let's get our story straight. I'm going to go sit with J.T.

I can tell J.T. this instead of everybody else because I don't want Olivia to know right now. I can't talk to Olivia about it. She'll fucking kill me. So I'll sit down with J.T. And talk about it and spill the beans and say, I initiated it. Whether that's true or not, we'll find out, I'm sure. But they did it within the same episode.

So it's got to be at least a day or two apart. Maybe even the same goddamn day. Who knows? Interesting. But it's just weird to me. This calls it in a question. question pre-planning. Yes.

So Taylor's sitting down with J.T. While that didn't seem super out of character for Taylor and J.T. Austin's spilling that much information on camera when they're asking him point-blank questions is pretty odd to me. Interesting.

Because he didn't do that stammering thing. He didn't like it was kind of like walk through a sentence and then like change his mind and then put his head up in the air and like look around when he lies. Like he did that in the first episode. He went straight at it. So either one.

One, it's pre-planned, or two, he's telling the truth. Yeah, those are the only things. Both seem. Both could be true. Eh. Eh. But that takes us to Potomac, and we are still at Ashley's housewarming party, and we get the ending of that Osu conversation with Wendy and Ashley, which kind of sets you up for the rest of the episode. But the big story here is Robbins talking to the ladies, and...

it's really frustrating to watch her defend herself against them when if you rewatch that scene of like the intervention, the want intervention, if you will, none of them were coming from a place of anger or trying to like poke a hole in her or anything like that. All they were trying to do is show like, hey, we have all been through the same thing. Is it opportunistic for the camera? Sure. Guess what? You're on a reality TV show. All right. So just grin and bear it. Shit happens. As far as those three go, we've seen what these women can do to each other. We've seen how they can talk to each other. This was one of the more vulnerable, open, honest conversations out of Cherise, out of Ashley, out of Giselle.

And if you can look at that conversation and not get some kind of support from it, I think it shows you what kind of headspace that she's in. And that, to me, I'm done with the arrangement shit. I don't think it's an arrangement. I think that she is just stuck. And I think that she knows that she's stuck. and she's not happy, and if she, like, leans into what they're doing with this whole thing and gives it more life, I don't think she sees a way out. I don't think she wants to get out because she's that downtrodden to where if I affirm what you ladies are saying, if I get on

your team here, I have to make a move, I have to take action to rectify the situation, and I don't have it in me, girls. Yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of back on board with the arrangement thing. I'm not at all anymore. I just, it is tough to watch, though, because, I think we both looked at the scene the same way from last week or the week before. It looked like a vulnerable moment where people were opening up in hopes that Robin would open up, but she didn't. And she had another chance today where she's sitting down with all the women, and she's defensive and defensive and defensive. I am done, I don't want to even, like, support her. I don't even want to insist that, okay, no, you know what?

She's just going through a really hard time. She doesn't know what to do. And she's just not really sure how her emotions are displayed when she's talking to these women. She doesn't really care about the collateral damage of saying. that they weren't being sincere and they were just trying to dig up information on her. I'm tired of it. I'm done with it. I'm done with it. Yeah, you're being a dick to people now openly

who are just trying to help you. I'm done with it. I actually, I think full on, it's just an arrangement. I think she's pissed off that it came out. And I think that she doesn't feel like answering the questions and she's just going to keep deflecting. Well, my whole thing is she keeps referencing the block is hot. Like, to me, that implies that you know their shit happening.

Yeah. Like you can't keep saying. Well, they did the same thing last year when she brought up the whole Karen in Vegas thing. I know. So it's, the block's always taught. But I, and I'm with you, like, I am not going to keep getting amped up about this situation because they're not getting amped up about the situation. It's a shitty situation. But Robin and Karen have a conversation that they are going to be able to move forward, no more rumors. I like the addendum that was in there from Karen where she's like, I will say facts implying like, I'm still going to talk shit. I do think when Karen says something

like that, though, I think that when she hears rumors, she believes them to be fact. So I think she's still going to spill rumors. I don't know, man. If it's coming from Karen, it's a fact. But is she wrong in this one? Probably not. No, so that's where, like... It's just that she didn't have hard evidence to back it up.

She's not one that just starts talking shit, though. We even see, like, the flashback of that one scene when they were having the picnic in the park at the beginning of last season. Yeah. Where they're talking shit about Mia, then she's like, I'm not going to perpetuate this. Until we hear from her, I'm not saying anything. So, like, at the... I'm not saying she hasn't started some room. But at the very least, when it comes to Karen, like, we have video evidence of her not throwing

somebody out of the bus. We don't have that for a lot of the other women. No. That's all I'm saying. I feel like Karen's the type that wouldn't share the rumor unless she thought it was true, though. I think she's smarter than that. Yeah. I think she needs to have a little bit more.

So she kind of just protected herself. So she can still do exactly what she's been doing. Right. But she had this conversation. So now when it comes back on her and she says something about Robin, she can say, hey, I think it's true. I think it's a fact. Yeah.

Robin's playing checkers. The Grand Dom's playing chess. But Wendy and Mia are still not cool. I don't know if they'll ever be cool. And to Wendy's credit, like, if you threw a drink at me, like, or if I threw a drink at you, would you be cool with me? Probably not. It's okay for her to not be cool. They don't have to, and I think this is something that gets under your skin, you don't have to be cool just because you're on the same show.

Exactly. You are allowed to not like each other. That's okay. However, I do think that if it was a different, or if the roles were reversed and Wendy threw the drink at Mia, I do think that mea could get over that because that's kind of what me it does like she's they live completely different lives and Mia has been super open about this I you know I talk shit I get into these types of altercations you know this is what happens but I can be okay with it at the end of the day Wendy is not so I feel like if it was the other way around yeah mea would be pissed off for a couple of weeks and it would be a storyline for a while but I think she could smooth it over at some point because she doesn't see it as that big of a deal Wendy sees it as like a huge flight yeah and you know Wendy does take things very personally and And, you know, getting a drink thrown at her is personal and it almost got physicals. Like, that I get. Yeah.

She has a much harder time sweeping things under the rug and moving on, especially compared to Mia. But we get one comment out of Wendy where Mia is questioning whether or not Wendy like uplifts women and the support of other women. And she says that she can't lift her up because she's slow. And then she says you're too low. And then she says you're slow again. Now, sensitive subject, obviously. However, is Mia actually upset because her son is a speech impediment, or is she using this like Ashley said, oh, she found an angle and she's going to, she's going to exploit it? The latter, for sure.

I think so. I don't think that Mia really, I think that Mia felt super disrespected by that and did not know what to say. I can go with that. Yeah, which is very rare for Mia because she usually has a comeback, and whether the comeback lands or not is. Not really her. Yeah. It doesn't really matter for her. She's still going to say it.

But she had nothing to say in that moment. And she was being absolutely ripped apart by Wendy. And Wendy had, there was no emotion there either. I think that's the biggest part is if they were in some sort of like screaming match back and forth, it wouldn't really matter as much because then they can just get anything over as much as she wants. In this sense, it was a very calm, cool, and collected me, or Wendy telling me, I don't want anything to do with you because of what you did. And completely threw her under the bus by calling her low.

and she was absolutely ripping her apart about the whole political views and saying that some of this is a little highbrow and other people might not understand this talking about me directly. That wasn't political views. That was your intelligence level. Yeah.

Well, no, no, she was talking about her political show. Oh, that's what the conversation was. She was saying highbrow as in you're not smart enough to understand what I'm talking about, so don't even try. Which the two should be the same thing just because you follow politics. It doesn't make you smart.

Again, I don't think this is a political thing. I know it wasn't a political dig I was just talking about the content Okay It's an intelligence dig Now I mean I I made a political dick But you're dumb

You're low You're low But this is interesting To me when you get Robin Nekha together Because Neck hasn't been around Right

So she doesn't know The ins and outs Of Robin and Juan Dixon She didn't watch the film She didn't check tape Nope She did not check tape But she comes in

And says it's weird Like I'm sorry the people are telling you how to live your life. And Robin's like, oh, it's just social media and rumors and it's being perpetuated by these people. It's like, no, it's being perpetuated by your dumb husband. And does Neka know about all of that stuff? Because if she did, she might not be rallying behind Robin of all people.

And I, like, this is the last person that I wanted her to hit your wagon to. For sure. I don't need her with Robin. I don't need Robin. I definitely don't need the newbie being besties of Robin. And she also needs to understand who Robin is cool with and who she isn't. And obviously right now, she's not really cool with anybody outside of Giselle. The rest of them tried to get through to her, didn't get through to her.

They're just going to leave her alone. NECA trying to hit her wagon to Robin means that NECA is going to, at least initially, probably have the same type of relationship as Robin has with the other women, specifically Wendy. Yeah. And I don't know. I don't like it. But I do like when Wendy takes open digs and she's like inviting Ashley to the community in front of multiple people that are not invited to the communion. Like to take the time to do that.

Everything she does is intentional. She has intent behind nearly every single thing she does and says. And there is a part of me that gets a little irritated with it sometimes. But there's a big part of me that's like at least you're consistent. And it does push the show forward. We're back with Wendy and Eddie. And I need Eddie's sweatshirt. Oh, dude, right?

Eddie, first of all, it was a dope sweatshirt. Like, that was a cool design. Second, it was hysterical. That Happy Eddie March is there's very few things I see on. Bravo across the board where I'm like oh I would wear that especially when it's like it came from the show like the inception of a clothing line came from the show shout out Lala there you go nice but this one I would wear a happy Eddie sweatshirt that thing was really cool yeah but um they're talking about NECA and that whole situation and we get it laid out again where Wendy's like all right isn't

this weird Eddie I don't really know this chick and she's out here talking shit about me and it's really strange because you would have thought that she would have given me a chance to show who I am first. Now, I predicted this last week. I said, they've definitely met. Wendy's giving me the vibe that she's trying to act like they haven't, but I think that they have met. We get confirmation of that from NECA.

She says, like, we've had some interactions. We met at a concert. We met at a birthday party, I think, maybe a wedding. Dinner or something. Maybe it was a wedding. And so she was confused by the fact that when they got to meet this time, She treated it as like, oh, it's nice to meet you instead of a nice to see you moment. Right.

And we're kind of jumping around here, which is fine. But NECA starts to jump into a crazy story about Wendy's mom. And this is while they're at the community, you get that. The side-by-side scene here is so good because... You could say juxtapose there. I can't. Juxtaposition. See, we can't go an episode without saying it.

But that's a good word. I was trying so hard to not say juxtaposed, and there it is. That's fine. That scene juxtaposed to this scene was amazing Because you got Wendy's mom saying a prayer And she's getting animated with it She's getting deep with it And on the flip side you have NECA saying

Her mom called my in-law And said that she put a curse on her She had a shrine She said that she had a shrine And that she prays for bad things about people And to ask around the DMV You ask around about the people that I've put curses on essentially and see how they're doing newsflash not great not great so i did not see

when these mom becoming a huge like this isn't like a bravo reality tv villain this is like a mc uvangers level threat you know how excited i got when i realized that this is what we're going to be focused on for a little while i hope so so you do believe neka yeah i do yeah i do too i do too I think it's because it's funny I'm giving NECA of the benefit of the doubt because she's new

We don't have a track record with her We don't have I tend to do that too Yeah we don't have like The game film if you will On how You know what her personality is If she makes shit up or not

Sure We do have it for Wendy I can easily see Wendy Turning the other cheek Or giving what did she say Giving us like weird eyebrows From across the room So she knows exactly who she is

And we've said that We know that she knows who she is Like there's no maybe you haven't cordially met and talked. But when Nekka starts talking about it, and there's photographical evidence of her cousin and Wendy's sister-in-law, being friends,

being in a wedding picture together, that's like one degree of separation. I thought Ivy was her sister. Was it sister or sister-in-law? Oh, I thought it was Eddie's sister. Oh, okay. They talked to the in-laws. Okay.

That's my point. Yeah. So then it's even closer. That's what I mean. Yeah, it's definitely know this person. It's like one degree of separation. So you absolutely. Absolutely know who this person is.

So to act like you have no idea, that furthers my belief in NECA what she's saying because now I'm like, all right, well, if you're refusing to acknowledge that there was some, even if it's not a relationship, but an acquaintance with this person, you're refusing to acknowledge it happened. But all this shit's happening behind the scenes and you have no idea who this woman is, there's no shot. Why do you think that she would do that, though? Why would you try to downplay it if you know that this is the information that could come

out? Because I think it paints her mom in a bad light. Well, it definitely does. It's not, you're not going to jump on board. Her mom's cursing people. It absolutely paints her. Dude, is that not like... It's sick.

It's so sick. It's fucking cool. I am so on board for this narrative. We got a little bit of the voodoo stuff in Miami last year, if you remember that. That was fun. What did they call? It was, uh, fuck. Oh, I'm thinking of New Jersey.

No, it started with a bee. It was, uh, boo, fuck. Bruharia. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think that was it. Yeah, I think you're right. Um, but yeah, if this is where they go with it, like, hell yeah.

But backtracking ever so slightly, we do get a scene with Karen and Mia and the kids. And, like, this is when we find out about her son having a disability, which I'm not saying he does not have a speech impediment by any means. I was just curious whether or not she was using that to her advantage and whether this actually upset her. Yeah. And I think Karen, Karen's reaction to that was genuine. Yeah, totally. Well, it's not like Wendy knew what was going on. Like, I don't think that she was using it against you.

So you can't be mad at her for saying that. You can be mad at her because she calls you slow. Yeah, and you can also, like, educate her where you're like, hey, my son has this. Like, please don't you. And you don't have to be, you guys aren't know, though, because if Mia did that in the moment, everybody at that table would be like, all right, that's a cop out. Yeah, that's true. Just because of Mia's track record.

And that's the worst part is like, it's the boy who called, or what is the boy who called wolf? Boy who cried wolf. Boy, oh, my God, what a bad day this is for us. The boy who cried wolf. And I think that's kind of where it is. Like, Mia has set up herself for years. now of that type of behavior. So she really can't say something that's true

and have everybody believe it. Yeah, that's a good point. But we get Ashley with Karen, and Karen gets bit by a bug walking. It's so funny. It was funny. The Michael lawsuit comes up, and this is going to be frustrating

because I will not sit here and listen to Ashley say time and time again, I don't know what's going on. You should ask Candace. She knows more what's going on. We know you know. know what's going on. So either stop referencing it, start talking about it, or move on.

Yep. I'm sick of it. Or it can just talk about it. Somebody talk about it. But I also understand if it's a lawsuit, like, you can't talk about it. And I guess Ashley's still technically, oh, she's still technically married. Is that why? No.

Dun, dun, dun, do. No, she's absolutely just like trying to not get involved. However, when it comes to Ashley, any time that she actively tries to not get involved with something, my flags go off. I don't know what's going on. She's also behind the scenes trying to get involved. She doesn't like being out of the drama. She will insert herself into.

So her wanting to be out of something like that makes me question why. Why is she not talking about this? Why is she not talking shit on Candace? Fair. She afraid of Candice? Michael going to lose the lawsuit? She's definitely afraid of Candice. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, because Candice, she cuts the deepest. Oh, which makes me laugh, by the way, when NECA and Robin were sitting at the bar when they were still at Ashley's party. and Debra walked behind them. Did you hear the music that Bravo played? No. Oh, dude, it was like this little like evil like cartoon music in the background. I didn't even notice.

I was so funny. That's hysterical. But even Karen acknowledges it. Like we've all heard this rumor like that Candace is getting sued over. Yeah. It's just Candice talks the best shit. So she caught the stray. We've all been talking about it.

Yep. She's the way she says things. She's so good at vocalizing shit talking that she caught a case because of it. Yeah. But it's like going to the hall. Fame. I know. She is in the Hall of Fame of shit talking. There's no denying that. But we get clarification from Ashley that she is the one that said the article or brought up the article about Wendy being Osu and her family being Osu. It was not NECA, as we know. But Karen is

even like, like what the fuck, man? Like you cannot help yourself. You simply cannot help yourself. And then this is what drives me crazy with Ashley. And she did it earlier in the episode with the Michael Darby stuff. The playing dumb. Like it's fooling. anybody. So it goes to the confessional. She's like, I misremembered it. I think, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. You tried to start some shit. It worked. And now you're backpedaling. Because that's what you do.

You plant the seed. You want, like there's a difference between her and some of the like Meredith Marks. She'll plant the seed and walk away. But why did she realize? She waters it ever so slightly. Why did she realize that? And why did she go to Wendy and say, hey, you know, I misremembered that. It was

actually me that brought that up, not her. Why would she do that? why wouldn't she just leave it go? Because that's what Ashley does best is says shit like that, then the fights start to happen, and she just kind of moves herself out of the way. There's an ulterior motive here. I know, but what is it? It's driving me crazy. We'll get to

the bottom of it before it shows. We're pretty good. It's driving me crazy. Do this, man. But we get to the first communion and Ashley arrives and decides to sit directly next to Candace, which was a wild move to me. But this is what separates Candace from

I think a lot of the rest of the women. I genuinely believe her when she says to Ashley, I can be in the same room as you. This can be fine. The problem is, I think Candace can definitely be in the same room, be cordial, all that stuff.

Ashley cannot help herself to say something. The other women in the group can't help but say certain things. If you leave Candace B, I don't think she's going to start shit. No, she definitely won't. But she have to poke the bear. Like, they cannot. They do, but also, I mean, Candace did start it off with a,

well, my bag's sitting there. Can I get another chair for my bag? So that you still don't sit right next to me. Yeah, I know they're not cool. I think it's a dig from Ashley initially. I think I'm going to sit here. I think this is still going to take shots. Oh, yeah, of course.

At least for now. And once things die down, she won't. But to know that they can be cordial, I believe that they can. I don't think Ashley's going to let it lie. I think she's going to poke the bear. I think Canada's going to snap back a little bit, and shit's going to escalate.

But even in that moment, for me, when you break it down, and sorry for doing this, but you break it down logically, use your brain. I would never speak to you again. We wouldn't be in the same room together because of the shit that you started last year. You tried to ruin our marriage.

And the way that Ashley goes about this, she acts like it's just some other drama that got started on a TV show. It's like, no, if you really break down the ins and outs of what you were attempting to do with your friends, with your skeevy gross friends, that you connive behind the scenes to break up the marriage for good TV,

like that's when you enter the level again of this is not fun. You don't go for people. people's marriages. You don't go for real life shit because there's real life ramifications. So yeah, it's very understandable that you guys cannot reconnect. And I love that Ashley in her side scenes without Candace plays the role of like a victim almost where it's like, oh, we just can't reconcile. Like she said she wants nothing to do with me. It's like, why, dude? Because you are deplorable. The shit that you pulled last year is awful. It's reprehensible. You shouldn't be in the

same room as her. Yeah, I think those are like the two ways of thinking about being on a TV show like this too, where Ashley realizes, oh yeah, like, I can do anything that I want and spark up any rumor that I want and everybody knows that it came from me. And I expect them to just be okay with that when everything gets squashed at some point in time. And then we can just move on and be friends again. That's not how it works. Candice is a better person than I am, better person than both of us are probably. She can sit there on the TV show and say, yeah, I can still be cordial with you, but I'm not going to be fucking friends with you. We're done after what you did. Like, that's a logical way to speak about it and also still be on the same TV show with them.

Yeah, but that's when they start getting back into the conversation about what was said about the Osu article and all of that. And Ashley admits at least that, you know, I misremembered. I misrepresented the situation is what she says. Yes. Rather than say, yeah, I started some shit and that's my bad. I misrepresented the situation. Nekka didn't say that stuff. My bad.

And Wendy, thank God Wendy is Wendy. because this isn't a moment where she's like, oh, it's fine, we're cool. Thanks for being honest. It's a moment where she's like, I'm going to log that in the back of my brain because you're shady as fuck, goes to the cut of Candace

doing what Candice does best. And she's like, see, I don't even have to say anything. I just let her do her thing. And she buries herself. She's so full of lies. That's why her forehead is so big. But that's even what Candice said

when we got the scene earlier with Candice and Wendy out to lunch talking about Ashley, Candace said exactly what we've said for the last three weeks. Ashley has been in the show long enough and she started enough shit that you know exactly what she's going to do. She's got the same playbook that she's always had. So as soon as she says something,

you know it's probably not true. And there's always some sort of another end of the story or from a different perspective that shows that Ashley's the one who perpetrated all of this. I think Wendy is slowly starting to realize that too because you have that conversation with Candace and then the very next day, Ashley comes in and says, Oh, you know what?

Nekka didn't say that. I said it. Yeah, of course he did. Yeah, no shit. And for, I think that you're right, I think Wendy had like that aha moment which is like, oh, this is how you operate on. Because I've seen it a little bit last year.

We need everybody to fucking know that. I just want everybody on the show to know how Ashley and Giselle operate and Robin to an extent. But Robin's got her own shit going on right now. So she's not going to be part of the old green eye bandits thing. I think Ashley's kind of subbing in right now. I think that's true. And I think that it's hysterical.

We already talked about them discussing Wendy. and Wendy's mom, but it's so funny to me that Rob was like, I have so much shit going on in my life right now. Maybe she put a curse on me. It's like, no, your husband did, dude. Your husband put that curse on. Your husband or whatever weird-ass situation you guys have going on over there. That's the culprit. It is not Wendy's mom. Wendy's mom may have cursed Nekka and her family. Did not curse you. Wondid. Look in the family picture. That man standing next to you, he's the problem. I'm a little scared of Wendy's mom. We didn't say anything bad about Wendy's mom. No, no, I know. But I'm just,

I don't want to. No, I don't either. I don't want to get cursed. All right. I don't want to end up on the shrine. Nope. We got too many things cooking right now. The bros are on fire.

We do not need a hex right now. Okay. I can't say it enough. You guys can make a shrine for us if you want. Anybody wants to put together like a brav bro shrine? Well, I don't like that either, actually. A little creepy? Maybe a shooter shrine.

But not I don't think of that shrine. It's a highest form of a compliment. It's not surprising at all that you would actually enjoy that. But I'm cool. But that takes us to the question portion of the show. So let's jump right in. Up first from Marley W. Cahoon? Kohoon.

Who do you think is a bigger narcissist? Shep or Linda? Yeah, I mean. Because Linda has kids and she abandoned her kids to go for her dream job in New York. Yeah, Linda. It was waitressing, I think. And Shep is at the very least, self. aware at times linda has shown zero self-awareness so linda

from rsc gen 28 if ralph is the biggest asshole on bravo and ryan is the biggest douchebag what's juan dixon hmm he could be the biggest cheater he's the biggest dickhead yeah that's what he is we're bringing that word back yeah scumbag maybe scumbag the biggest The biggest A piece of shit Nah He's the Fuck stick

Biggest loser Nice Now airing on ABC I don't know Free plug No I think that show is gone It's biggest loser time

It's daddy's favorite show Oh he's no no We can't do that He blew up a car He did a lot of things Apparently we can't reference him From Maduro 29 I'm fine. Ashley is so messy. Good for the show or bringing down the vibes?

Bringing down the vibes. She's definitely bringing down the vibes. She's not... You can be messy as long as you use facts. We see it frequently. Lots of people on a lot of these shows are messy as hell. The biggest stars on these shows. You know what? It's not even... It's not even bring facts. It's be more creative. She does the same thing. I don't want her to be... I don't want her to be more creative. No, I'm just telling you what would be better. She might successfully bring down marriage. You're putting more in my mouth. I didn't say that. From Cal Minton. Not a question.

The only time I've ever liked Wendy was seeing her with her kids for their communication. Oh, that wasn't a question, which you prefaced, I guess. So it's my fault for reading it all the way through. But I'm not on the like or hate train on Wendy. I never really have been. There's moments that I really enjoy her on screen. There's moments that I don't. I think that she's good for the show.

I think that her issue lies in she gets stuck on certain things that aren't good for the show. Like the bar last year, that whole thing. Like, I don't really care. I think that with Wendy, unfortunately, like, for me, there's too many goddamn housewives on Potomac. So I don't really have an opinion of her because she doesn't get a ton of screen time. She's gotten more this year. Yeah. Well, and she will.

I'll hold my opinion on Wendy until, you know, a couple more weeks. Let's see how this season goes. She's taking center stage of what could be, this is going to go one of two ways. It's going to be awesome and great to watch if we get into, like, the supernatural religious side of things. things is it disrespectful to say supernatural and religious not to me okay cool or it's going to get so ridiculous and far-fetched or like okay we need to reel it in uh i mean time will tell it's like 75% the latter probably time will tell though what is time what is time baby don't hurt me this this is where we're at in our lives okay we are shells of today

Next episode, we'll be back on point. I don't know. I kind of like this vibe. I feel high. I got my bubbly hoodie on. This thing is cozy as shit. That's not even an ad. I just am a big fan of these bubbly hoodies.

Yeah. Good hoodie weather. What? Good hoodie weather. It's great hoodie weather. And other than that, you got anything else? Uh, no. You got it.

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