Bros & Shows - Would you like a Pumptini with your Pizza Gate? (VPRs10ep08, RHUGT3, RHOMReu.pt3, SumHouses07ep08, RHONJs13ep08)

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

Sup Bro's? We had a full week of Bravo and we're ready to jump in. Up first we get into Vanderpump and James' drinking is taking center stage. Raquel and Schwartz get comfortable at an after party, and we head to Mexico for Scheana and Brocks wedding where lots of drama could be (is) on the horizon. Then we quickly touch on Ultimate Girls Trip, we plan on going all in next week with episode 4. We have our last episode of Miami with part 3 of the reunion. Adriana, Marysol and Alexia may have a path back to friendship and Guerdy's journey this season was admirable. In Summer House, Danielle has a projecting problem and we see where her insecurities stem from when Robert visits... Lindsay tries to cut loose but it seems like she can't do anything right in the other girls eyes. Finally we go to Jersey where we're talking all about Pizza Gate and Louie's pajamas. Also, Rachel Fuda and Danielle are at odds when Fuda takes Marge's side... Time Stamps: VPR (17:30) RHUGT(38:01) RHOM(43:29) Summer House (48:50) RHONJ(1:04:29) --This episode is brought to you by Nutrafol. You don't have to live with thinning hair or hair loss, Nutrafol is here to help. Go to Nutrafol.com and use promo code BRAVBROS to get $15.00 off your first order plus free shipping! This is their best offer available and only available in the U.S. for a limited time! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. Listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter Magouter.

Shoot's, what's up, dude? Spring has sprung, and so have the allergies. That's what I want to talk about today, because this fucking sucks. Now, I did go to Charleston this last weekend. How was that? Beautiful. Great town. It was very interesting.

It was like walking around in New England, but there were palm trees, so it was weird. Did not see bourbon and bubbles or whatever the fucking other place is. Republic? Republic. There's like two other ones. Yeah, no, it was a lot bigger of a town than I anticipated. But I did, however, and this was one thing to Colleen and I did when we were walking around. We walked 10

miles on Saturday to see the whole city. Nope. Yeah. Well, I know you can't with your hips. Nope. But we did it. And towards the end, I was starting to rain. We got a little food. We got a little reinvigorated. And Colleen's like, we got to go see Patricia's house. Like, where does Patricia live? I sent you a picture. It is

huge. These houses down there are colonial houses. They're small they're built for smaller people her house is built for a thousand people it is unbelievable like it the pictures and the video on uh southern charm do not do it justice now it does seem kind of quaint like it seems like a really nice like oh it's nice see yeah it doesn't seem like extra large it's almost an entire city block so it's like an estate would you call it an estate i would yes and it's got these huge stone walls you can barely see in so we went across the street and we were looking in trying to see the whole front of the house just looks like it's for dinner

parties like it's untouched it probably is there are no lights on or anything and then like further back you can look and there's a couple of lights on i tried to see people walking by i didn't see anybody but um yeah now the the estate that she has down there is mass can we just also comment on how creepy it would be if this was not a person on tv it's still kind of creepy yeah it is still like you're really getting in depth right now i didn't i didn't feel creepy at the time because i was like oh you're on tv like you're asking for this recathing i was able to look up where she lived very easily. You could do that for most people.

I know. Which is scary. That is also scary. Well, allergies are kicking your ass. I'm still sick. I've been sick for like a week. I'm not a good sick person. I do too much during my days and like I'm miserable right now.

And I don't like sitting around and doing nothing. So I'm just going to go nuts. But I'm going to not focus on that. I'm going to try to pull myself out of this fuck. I'm going to use this as therapy for the next hour and a half or so. Yeah, even though it's going to pain you to talk this much, probably. But you know what? I usually feel better after these.

I'm always in a good mood. So we got our Ariana candle lit for our YouTubers. You can see it. We got a Ariana candle. It says, cooler than you, which is probably true. But in solidarity, strength and solidarity with Ariana, we stand for you. So we lit your candle. We let your candle.

We set a prayer. We set a prayer. Amen. But before we get into everything, I do want to plug our show coming up. It's in less than a month. And the tickets are going really fast, which is actually really cool. to see, except I keep checking, you remember when we started the podcast and I would check numbers like every 10 minutes to see how many listeners we had. I'm doing that with our seats now.

Well, you've gotten better because when we first started the podcast, you used to text me screenshots and it would be like up, you know, like 13 people and you're like, we're here. And I was like, all right, yeah, whatever. But this is different. You're keeping to yourself. You let me know important things. And like, you know me, I will, I'm just assuming that we're going to sell out because why the fuck not? Why wouldn't we sell out? You know, who doesn't want to come watch us? I love that attitude. So, yeah, so I fully anticipated selling out. It's going to be a great time.

April 27th, 7 p.m. City Winery. Yep. Come a little early, hang out with us if you get a VIP ticket, which are now sold out. They're sold out. You can't come hang out with us at this point. But you can get a regular ticket and come watch the show. I'm sure we'll be hanging out afterwards a little while. Yeah, it's not that big of a place too, so you can also just hang out with us afterwards.

Yeah, come on down to the city winery, get your tickets, hang out with the bros. Also, my flight got moved from. 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. Oh, and that means I don't have to go home early. Let's go. It's going to be a fun night. And the last thing, we're trying to get better at plugs, as we talk about frequently. The last thing, we have hats now, and they're actually legit. I didn't know how legit they were until Eddie sent us a thirst trap story with him posted up with his brawbrose.

Hey, look great, Eddie. Nice job, dude. Yeah, great job, Eddie. And his response was funny because he's texting me back. He said, hey, man, sex sells. I was like, damn right, it does. Boy, Eddie. Always does. Thanks for the support. But check out the hats on our shop.

Yeah, the hats are sick. They're nice. They're simple. They're good dad hats just to, you know, walk around the park in. You actually can golfing. You can show who you support more because there's a dad hat. Shooter's a big dad hat guy. Huge a hat.

I'm a big trucker hat guy. So show us who you like more by buying a dad hat for shooter or a trucker for steel. Something for everybody. Yeah, baby. Now let's get into the Bravo news. Up first. And I want to do our rose and thorn leading into everything because it's going to, you know, get me in a good mood. Good moods only, good vibes.

Or a bad mood, depending on the thorn. But in the Bravo news, up first, we got a potential new franchise out of Nalans. Nalens. Nalens, that's how you say, Nalens. So out of Nola, we might have a new franchise altogether. How do you feel about that? I feel good about that. I like New Orleans.

I think it's different than anything else that we already have. And we've talked about it. And we kind of saw the early work towards Bravo potentially putting a new Houseway franchise somewhere. Because all these random Bravo polls, I never trust them. I always think that it's like Bravo execs and Bravo people putting these things out here on like unverified sources. And it's like, which city would you like to see next? And obviously, I'm common in Cleveland. That's what I want to see.

I actually am sad that you did not get that. I know. If we could have gotten a real housework. But here's the thing, Bravo. I'm talking directly to you. you've never tried it with a city like Cleveland. No. Beverly Hills, New York City, New Orleans, like big name cities.

Fuck that. Let's go somewhere in the sticks. I'm for Cleveland. Let's go to like a bumfuck Texas town. Hell yeah. Or like the northeast Philly or Delco. Delco. Like let's just try it.

Maybe it'll work. Why not? Sarasota, Florida. Ooh, that would be a good one. You know what? No, no, no. Bradenton, Florida would matter. Because you get trickle in from Sarasota, which is like a little nicer. Bradenton's a little edgier.

Yeah, I feel like somewhere like Boca would be boring because it's all retired people. Boca is also too big name. I want small name. I want to see the working class. I want to see these people that own like rice mills and landscaping businesses. Yeah, like those are the people that really mean a lot to me.

Me too. That's my people. So let's get those guys on the show, those girls on the show. Either way, I'm still excited for New Orleans. I think that it's a cool aspect. You know, they've tried other things in the past that haven't really worked. So just keep throwing shit of the wall

And see what sticks Yeah, I'm down I'm down for But I'm excited for the New Orleans aspect I think that would be a fun show I think it's a fun setting So I all in all if that does happen I'm here for it

Yeah same We got another potential new show In our other news for today And that's a new summer house In Martha's Vineyard It's not potential it's definite Oh that's for sure Oh yeah

Oh I need to do Okay I need to do I didn't see that Oh okay You just texted me that there's another summer house Coming in Martha's Vineyard That's all I got Yes, so then I'll take this away. You take it away.

It's not a reboot, so it's not like the new, the old summer house is going to go anywhere. It doesn't seem like that anyway. And they've already filmed the season. So we were on the lookout because Bravo tweeted out and put things on their socials yesterday, saying that they're going to have two pieces of information tomorrow. Make sure you check in. The first of which was this new summer house. It's going to be in Martha's Vineyard.

It's a whole new cast. There's not anyone that we've ever met before. they're not picking like Luke up or throwing Andrea in there as much as that would be fun whole new cast so whole new people that we get to look forward to meeting they're all younger people younger professionals so it's going to really get to the roots of summerhouse which we liked to begin with so i think that's a good move and then you can still keep you know we want to call it like summer house legacy or whatever the fuck you want to do keep them there because right now it's not working if we listen to carl carl says that it gets better so we'll see what it does by the end of the season but right now it's not working working. So this is a smart move, I think, by them. But we're not getting any information on those other shows that we kind of really enjoyed like Girlfriends in Paris or Southern Hospitality. They're still waiting on those. So I'm interested to see what their budget is for those kind of like one-off shows. I will say, based on them airing the first episode of Soho immediately after Vanderpump last night, I would say Soho's coming back. Yeah. From talking to the cast members, they seem confident. So I think they did enough.

They had a really good second half of the season. They did. They actually had a lot of viewers towards the end. I think that season finale out did Salt Lake City. So they would be crazy not to bring it back. And I think it makes a lot of sense. So especially with all the ship things that are going on. I know.

And now you can have a crossover show. And I think they were actually, yeah, I saw a post. They were filming with the Southern Charm cast for one of the Southern Charm episode. So they're coming back. we are going to Charleston again in May at some point we get to go there the cast is going to show us around I got a workout scheduled with Brad and potentially Joe definitely TJ maybe some golfing you know we'll see golfing with Joe definitely and then you know a little clubbing with the pros nothing like it nothing like it we'll be posting all about it yeah you can come

along for the ride the last bit of news we got Atlanta coming back finally we get to in, y'all have been asking about it. Ooh, I just hit my mic. Smack it as mic. I'm so excited. You guys have been asking, we want to watch it. We're excited for it. We missed the boat last year.

So we're diving in episode one. We got to do some homework because neither of us have watched it really. I've seen like clips. I've seen some like random episodes. I've never watched it through. I've seen more more than you. I've seen more than I probably even realized because Colleen does watch it pretty, not religiously, but like I've come home before and watch like the talent of episodes.

here and there. So I've definitely watched a lot more than I thought I did. Either way, still excited because we both agreed that last year we jumped into Beverly Hills thinking it was going to be great. Now, we've been blessed with really good seasons of other shows. We have. We got lucky. Especially this year, we definitely got lucky because this could have been a down year for everybody. Instead, it wasn't. But it was definitely a down year for Beverly Hills. So we were kind of kicking ourselves in the ass saying we should have watched Atlanta instead of Beverly Hills, but whatever. So jumping into Atlanta, everybody's been asking for it. And we're excited to get to it. It's May 7th, I think it starts.

Seventh, mark your calendars. That'll fill our Sunday night schedule, I believe. I'm not wrong. All right. And that'll get us, we're almost, or are we done with Miami now? Yeah, Miami's the last year of Miami. So now we can really sit down and figure out the two-episode schedule. Yep.

Because all these random reunions and shit, we're throwing us off trying to figure it out. So now we can buckle down. We're bringing you two soon. I know we keep saying that, but it's coming, baby. But that takes us to our rose and our thorn. I'm going to let you kick it off because I want to end it with a rose, so I can be in good spirits. Okay.

Well, I'm going to start with a thorny rose. Oh, I like those. Yeah. This one comes from front page news. I totally agree with you about the Sheena thing

with Katie and the room situation. She says, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, their take is very manlike. Ah, well, whatever. Sheena is, and always will be the worst.

So I don't really get it, actually, because she wasn't commenting on somebody else. Now that I'm reading it back, I'm like, wait, we agreed with Sheena. So Sheena's the worst, but you agree with us. But I'm really confused by it because I guess when she says manlike,

it's just like us approaching it the way that we are. And we always get hate for that, I guess. We are dudes. We are dudes. We are cis het bros. That's our label. Where we are. So yeah, I guess it was manlike.

But yeah, so I don't know. She agreed with us. So that's a good rose for me. My thorn, and there were a lot of them out there, I'm going to do a generalized one instead of just kind of picking the random ones. we got ratioed. Do you know what ratioed is? I do not.

Ratiode is when your comments or quote tweets outweigh your likes. And on that Sheena post where we were agreeing with Sheena over Katie, we had like 500 comments on Twitter and like 400 likes. And a lot of people, they were commenting to agree with us. But from an optics perspective, when you look at that, that's being called ratioed. Because people aren't liking everything that you're saying. They feel the need to comment and tell you that you're wrong. Oh, interesting. We got ratioed.

We did get ratioed. You know what? It feels really good to be binged. It feels pretty good to be ratioed because it's kind of fun. Oh, my God. It was a blast reading all the stuff. I had no idea the shitstorm that we started by posting that. That's the thing is we didn't do it ironically.

We didn't do it to like stir up some shit. Like we genuinely agreed with the fact that Sheena was correct. She didn't want Katie there. And people were saying like, oh, it's a show. And like, we get this shit all the time. Yeah. We get this from like other people that actually listen to a lot of different podcast and like, well, my problem with the bros is they look at it like there's not a show to be done.

Like, no, these are real people. Yeah, we're having these discussions. We're looking at them like a group of friends. And if she doesn't want her there because, yes, Katie is going to be up in a balcony making fun of your wedding, then she doesn't want her there. And she's just trying to solve the problem for her bridesmaid who, look, we get that she didn't get a room on time. So here's the loss. She did. She did.

The credit card either got canceled or it didn't go through. Something got messed up in transition. There's definitely some murkiness, too, because she had then said when everybody showed up and Katie realized that her room was very far away from Lala's. She moved her room. She moved her room. So you were able to move her room, but there's no rooms? Yeah, make that make sense.

It doesn't make sense. So, you know, and I'm starting to think that this was all for the show, and this actually didn't really exist. And now I'm a little fucked up, so I'm going to let you take it away. Well, I mean, look, it was a wild week with the thorns. It just, they kept on coming, kept on coming. People were heated. They were really heated.

And they kept saying the same thing. Katie doesn't owe Sheena anything. You misunderstand where we're coming from. Yeah. She doesn't owe her shit. Agreed. This is simply being the bigger person and coming out looking better. If you do this, if you give up the room, you come out looking like the hero.

That's all. It has nothing to do with Sheena. It could be an irrelevant third party. Give up the room. It makes you look good. That's all. It had nothing to do with Sheena versus Katie, and that's what people didn't even realize. But whatever, I'll just let you guys roast us because it's funny.

But I'm going to start out with my thorn, and it's similar to yours, but it's not rosy. So I'm not reading the name. This person said, do we really need to have grown arse men air here and dissect the behavior and personalities of women? Seriously. I commented back, you must be new here. One, two, I don't know what this means. air here. I guess like air out

our grievances. Air out, I guess our grievances. Okay, fine. It's a podcast. That's my point. Bravo shows. And we are two men.

You're just stating facts. You literally just said what we do. We get paid to do this. So we're going to continue to do this. This is like that thing on, I think Instagram started it and Twitter did it as well, where there's a picture up there and they have like context underneath where it's like, if you can't see this picture, this is what it is.

Oh, I love that. It's probably just a picture of us. And it's like, And talking about the girls on Vanderpump, that's it. Period. Period. Thank you for explaining what we're doing. But I do like somebody commented on our behalf.

Not to mention last time I checked, you guys dissect both sexes. We do. We go after everybody all the time, anytime, anywhere. We're here for it. I think the ironic thing is, it sounds like that commenter is mansplaining. Boom, roasted. My rose, we had a lot of really, really nice reviews on iTunes this week. if you looked, but there was a ton, and they were all really sweet. But this one embodies

what we do here. This is what we aim for, and the title was magnificent, what Bravo was meant to be from at Page Zell. This is one of the few Bravo podcasts that says what everyone else is thinking and doesn't tiptoe around Bravo Lebrities. So many other podcasts are scared to call out the bad behavior of their favorites for fear of not getting them on their show. These guys unapologetically go there and normalize changing your opinion when presented with new information. Chef's kiss, well done. Wow. It's literally, like, that should be the description for our podcast. It should be. And we've talked about that, like, at length about how we do not care what Bravo Lebrides think about this. And honestly, if we didn't do that, Carl probably wouldn't

have been on her show last week. But that takes us to Vanderpump. All hail the Ariana candle. We are deep into the season now. We're like, we've, kind of hit our stride and I would imagine we've got to be getting close to like some of the Scandival shit starting. I imagine it already started right? Oh, totally. I think it's behind the scenes. I'm saying... Oh, you mean like we're going to see

it unfold like actual things. Yeah. We need a flowchart. This is when we need the flowcharts. Somebody did offer to give us a flowchart at some point. So whoever that was, if you're listening, send us a flowchart. Yeah, no, we want it. I don't care if you have to get chat GPT to make it for you, just send it over. Yeah, it could be AI generated. Just send us a

Send us a damn flowchard. I might actually ask chat to GPT to explain the Ariana situation to me. Ooh, that's actually a fun little. Somebody may have already done that. I may have just stolen somebody else's idea. I do think that the Tom and Raquel thing is going on at this point. And I think the Bravo is probably scrambling to try to find footage that shows that it's going on already. And maybe there's nothing there.

Maybe they cover their tracks bell or whatever. But yeah, to your point, I do think that we've got to be getting close to it being out in the open. or at least like inklings or people starting to like stir about it like i know that they got stuff on camera but i also i'm confused because they had to fire the cameras back up they actually pulled the camera crew from beverly hills oh to film the vanderpump crew two weeks more yeah because they were done filming they wrapped camera crew went to beverly hills to do that thing they stopped filming there just to get the vanderpump so that's going to be interesting because when they order shows they order a certain amount of episode

So does that mean they're going to cut or mash together a couple episodes like here in the middle? I would imagine. Where it's like instead of having two or three episodes, we've only got one of that content, which I'm fine with because I do want to get to that point. But I don't want other things to be lost over because I kind of want to enjoy the ride, you know? I do too. And I also am kind of into some of the storylines this season. So I don't want to, I definitely don't want to leapfrog it. But I do want to get there.

Yeah, no. It's a conundrum. We're all kind of desperate to just get there, especially now because when we called it, you see, See Lala out there, like, I had inklings that this was going on. Like, no, you didn't. You had no idea in the world. You're just going to sit there and be the hindsight queen and be like, oh, I knew it was going on. Like, you didn't.

You had no idea. Nobody had any idea, and I told you it was going to happen. We talked about it last week. The hindsight party is going to, that Lala kicked it off. It's only going to get worse. Yeah, this will continue. People are going to come out of the woodworks. I knew it was the whole time.

Like, this one time I saw them doing this and canoodling here and blah, blah, blah. none of that is true nobody knew if they did know and you didn't say anything you're an asshole that's the other part like you want to keep claiming that you saw this shit behind the scenes oh you had like a feeling you had a gut feeling about it you didn't say anything you didn't say a goddamn word no so girl code violated by not calling out sand of all and helping your girl out if you actually did know because you didn't not only that you're on a tv show so if you did think that something was going on and you didn't call to it in the footage that we're seeing currently unfold and there's no camera footage of anything going on, then nobody had any idea

it was going on. Period. Maybe the only person that I could see maybe had an idea was going on is Ariana. Yeah, she might have had some skepticism. She was involved, not involved, but she was home when things were going on or she sent them in a car together or whatever. So maybe she did deep down think that it was going on. None of the rest of you had any idea.

So don't do this bullshit. The only one that may have is Ali apparently saw those two dancing at a cleft. club. And again, but again, we run the risk of hindsight. We don't know. And I knew this was going to happen. It will continue to happen. We're going to have to like grin and bear it and just get through this shit because I know it's going to bug me to know. Yeah, it is. Let's get into the episode. We start out. James and his dad are chit chatting. His dad was a long time music industry man. I'm not exactly sure what he did. I think it was something around DJing. Makes sense. They're having a conversation and it's this season seems to be about

James is drinking for him. That's his storyline as well as the Allie, Raquel, that whole situation. But I don't know what, I could not understand the dad was like, everyone goes through their faces of binge drinking. And I can't imagine doing a DJ set without drinking. It's like, hey, bud, maybe not. Yeah, maybe not the time. But you can see because it's almost like he's got the devil and angel on his shoulders

with the angel being his mom. who's like, I don't really know if you should be doing this. It's probably not that smart. And then you get his dad like, well, you know, you went through it and you tried to figure it out. And like, here he are. And I can see where James gets a lot of his mannerisms from because this guy's talking and he's doing the, I was doing it for Colleen last night. He's doing the like head up and like looking down while smiling at you. And it's like, that's what James does.

Yeah. So that makes a lot of sense. But you do get that kind of dichotomy of his mom and his dad who are trying to push him in a different direction. And his dad's telling him like, yeah, it's okay. Like, you're fine. And he's also telling him like, I never saw you. marrying Raquel like it never really made any sense to me can you see me marrying Ali like absolutely I said I could see it oh well all right well there you go I'll see it of course you're gonna say that

now and you know a year ago you would have said the same thing about Raquel so whatever did we really need this no but I guess we're kind of just going through the journey that is James is drinking yeah I think that's what they're they're aiming to do but moving on from that we get a lunch with Sheena Ali Lala Ariana and I like Ali yeah I like But she's not talking about, like, her star projections, astrology, not an actual star projecting in her room. You do have to clarify. It sucks that we have to clarify. But, yes, we have to.

Especially now there's two people. Jesus. I don't want to do it. But when she's not talking about astrology and her moon signs and all this bullshit, she seems pretty real. She seems like nice. And she's self-aware. Very self-aware, which is more than you can say about a lot of the people on this show. Even when the twin flame thing gets brought up once again.

Because Lala's like, it's not necessarily a good thing. And Allie's like, no, that's what I was saying. Like, it could be toxic. And that was, I think, Lala trying to poke at Alley. Like, oh, yeah, you're not running with this twin flame thing just because, you know, Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox are doing it, right? Like, no, it could be a bad thing. Like, I'm very open about that.

Okay, cool. Points to you. Points to her, 10 points from Lala. Take those away because it is such a bad look to sit there and shit on Raquel's looks at the party. objectively speaking, not a human being on the planet could look at Raquel at that party and be like, she looked like shit. No.

Because it's just not true. It's simply isn't. She was saying that she looked like a whore and it's like, she didn't. She was dressed for a fucking pool party. Because guess what? It was a fucking pool party. So for you to sit there and then try to drag her

for what she was wearing, like Lala, let's go through your fucking wardrobe. Are you shitting me? Like, it just comes off as insecure. It comes off as weak and it just comes off as like a pick me girl like it's just annoying as shit like don't if you want to take an approach against rakel if you want to like be anti rakel she's going about it all the wrong ways yeah the one thing though i did take away getting away from la la and another point for alley she could give two shits

about going to the wedding oh yeah at least in that moment she might want to just look good for the camera because she did see it's also a little more awkward because she's on her own she's not you know friends with these girls and you're kind of faced right with sheena and you have an opportunity and like I don't know a lot of people that would take that opportunity in that situation to be like yeah you know would it be okay if I came to your wedding in Mexico James really wants to bring me like that takes a lot of balls to do that take a lot of balls especially with you know a woman that's planning a wedding and we see her going over a seating chart like that is very stressful to try to piece things together and you've been going over it for weeks and weeks

and how many times have you gone over like it you understand and I give her credit for not doing that because that is kind of it's it's rough to do that and it's not like You just said she's very self-aware. You would have to have no self-awareness like somebody like James. Yeah. To be like, you know what? Like I really want to come to your wedding. Can you fit me in?

No. She understands how hard it is to do that. So she's not going to do that. And she has no back up there because you know what? Across the table, Lala will turn on a dime and be like that is terrible to do. I know. Or she may not say it to your face. No, she'll talk.

She might say it to your face, but she might not. She'll talk shit on you behind your back. Exactly. She'll talk shit about you behind your back. Talk a huge game that she, I almost did this. I almost did that, but you did none of it. I was going to leap across the table and punch her in the face. Like, no, you were.

You were not, but you're going to sit there and say that you were because that's what you do. But no, points for Allie there. I thought that was good. But public service announcement. If you do not get a plus one to a wedding, do not ask for one. No. There's a reason you didn't. Sorry, your significant other can't come to the wedding.

Either you've only been dating for a short amount of time or they simply didn't have room. Planning weddings is hard. Seating charts are a fucking disaster. Don't ask for a plus one if you don't have a plus one. Yeah. Let's move on. The next scene is, one, I never thought that I would see and something I have to admit because I have never been a Brock fan.

In this scene with Lala, Sheener, and Brock, one was astounded points for Lala. See, I'll give points where points are due. She apologizes for how she approached the things with Brock's kids. And the whole Brock's kids scenario also baffles me a little bit and I want, I need, I need closure on it because it drives me insane because I want to like him. He seems like a good dad. He does seem like a caring partner, but I can't get over the fact that you bounce from Australia and you have two kids there.

No, I mean, that is tough to get over. And look, I mean, who knows what the situation is because he's not giving a whole lot of information on it. And it's sort of like kind of what we see in Jersey where like you're giving a little bit of information. People can find some stuff out. But it's going to be a lot of speculation. And that's kind of where it was in 2021 when this all went down, where Lala was

kind of just airing it out like you left your kids over there like what else are we supposed to think you're not telling us anymore and there's a domestic charge against them yeah so there's a lot there and like maybe you don't want to talk about it but people will still speculate especially with you being on a show like this that's where the storyline is going to come from like now you're you know you're dating sheena at that point this is what people are going to do so props to la la for now turning around after what she went through yeah and i do love that quote from 2021 where she says you know my fiance never he's such a nice guy he's a stand up man like whoa whoa no absolutely like that must hurt to watch that back and lala actually said sorry yeah she was wrong maybe she's not entirely wrong

maybe you know brock does deserve to get some shit because of what's going on and absolutely kids in australia but at the end of the day if you're going to be big enough to apologize for that because now you realize like whoa i just went through some shit that's pretty big of you i think it was a big moment for her i like to see those three connect i like to see those three connect i like to see Brock admit like, you know what? I kind of needed it. Like, I needed the check. So thank you for that. I actually did reach out to my kids or my ex-wife at least, whatever the situation is. I hope he can bridge that gap. And I hope that we can see a side of him that is a good dude because now I want to like him. I really do want to like him. I want to know

what happened though. I need closure. I can't move on, Brock. I don't know if we're ever going to know. Brock, we can't, we cannot be unless we get closure or you and I cannot be. Okay. Okay. Twin flames. Twin flames. Twin flames. Twin flames. Now we're at Sheena's surprise tea party slash bridal shower that she was only half surprised

because she saw her sister's car. Yeah. Which is funny. I love that. I did too, especially right after Ariang's like, it's so hard to surprise her and I got it. I'd nailed it. And she's like, nah, you didn't. You were so close.

I do at least appreciate that Sheena didn't tell everybody at the party. Like, oh, I knew this is what this was going to be because I saw my sister's car. She tells the confessional, which is fair because confessionals is supposed to be just be like your thoughts, which is fair. But she didn't ruin everybody else's time by being like, I don't know, I knew what you guys were up to. Yeah, no, she played it off well. But the main topic here is once again,

we're with James and his drinking because he gets in there and starts crushing Pumptini. A little Pumptini. My man gets lit in a hurry. Oh, yeah. And if you ever have to say, if I was drunk, could I do X, Y, or Z? Yes, you are drunk.

Stop doing what you're doing. It's astounding that you're able to hold onto that plate It was dropping it. I know. And God knows how expensive the plate is at Villarosa. So this is where me as a recovering alcoholic, I get a little uneasy when I see these scenes. And I actually, again, I resonated with Lala when she was talking about it. There's a lot of people that go through this and they seem to think that they get a handle on it.

Yeah. And look, part of the journey fortunately or unfortunately is that you have to do it on your own. It is about you and what you think, what you feel. You have to figure it out for yourself or doesn't stick. So it's not for anybody to say, James, do not drink again. Like, he needs to figure it out. Yeah. But watching the downfall is never fun.

I'm not rooting for it. I want him to figure it out because clearly it's still an issue. If you can't control it in a scenario in which you need to, right? Like, these are all people that are hesitant to let you drink. They're hesitant about the journey you're going on. This is a moment we need to show up and prove if that's the way you want to go, that you can handle your shit and you're not doing that and then you snowball it because you throw out to la la what if i got married to alley what if i asked you to marry me which was funny

because of the timing yes because of the brock and sheena proposing at his engagement party so that was actually funny but he was dead serious i think he would have done that and that's the thing like it gets exacerbated because he's drunk and he has those issues i think he would have done that sober like i still he would have he would have still said like i want to marry her even though he's been dating her for like what four months five months whatever like i want to marry her i want to put kids in her like all these things that he was saying he would have said sober like it's tough because he's drunk and maybe he wouldn't have said the brock thing which again it was funny it was very funny but yeah i don't know it's tough with things like this because like the show is better maybe when

he's not like raging alcoholic but when he's a little drunk and making very funny comments it does get a little bit better. So it is tough because you're watching this. Let's not say better. Let's not say better for my sake. It's entertaining. Yes. All right.

It's fine. It's entertaining. But I still do think that he would have said all of those things dead sober. I definitely would. And I think that Lala's reaction may have been a little bit different because she is a little hesitant when he is drinking and she's very hyper focused on it as she's showed in her confessional. But he's still sitting there with like LVP and Lala.

So that's kind of like a safe space for him essentially. It is tough when you're there and you're always around Grex. fiance like most people don't have to go through that you don't like yeah maybe you have intermingled friends and whatever but you don't have to film with them you don't have to be around them all the time and especially you do not have to be there while somebody who you would call a friend is hitting on her out in the open that's got to be tough it does have to be tough and i respect that however he's handling it horribly he's doing the worst job ever he's using alley as a pawn like there's so many moments between that and then when they get to schwartz and

sandies and we can kind of just roll into that. But there's so many moments where it's like, dude, stop it. You're putting her in the weirdest spot right now because you, like, when they get to Mexico and he's like, I want to make out with you right now, I want to make out with you. And she's like,

immediately after he went after Raquel about the swim up pool, which again was a terrible look. Yeah, that was weird. And then you want to stick your tongue down Alley's throat in front of her. Like, you're doing the worst job. If you love this girl that you're currently with enough to marry and put babies in her as you so eloquently said

shut the fuck up about Raquel even if you're still hung up on her which you clearly are stop talking about her and again points to Allie because even during that discussion and when we are jumping around a little bit but when Ali's sitting in between Ariana and James and James is going

after this whole scene that we didn't get on film Allie's able to tell him like no you need to calm down being ridiculous like no stop just stop talking and she gets him and walks away we never saw Rachel do that No, we didn't. Rachel was never able to do that. She would always just look at him like, what do now. Like, tell me what to do. Like, that's kind of who Rachel is. And that's how that

relationship went. And that's why ultimately it didn't work. But you see, Allie, Allie has her own voice. When she sits down with all the girls, she has her own voice. She's her own person. When she sits down with him, like, yes, is he annoying? And he's like a four-year-old trying to like grasp for your attention and just trying to make out with you in public. No, that's not right. And Ali will tell him like, no, that's not right. So points to Allie for all of that. Yeah, no, Ali's, I like Ali. I think Ali's got a bright future if she can stop talking about astrology. Yes, please.

And while we're at Schwartz and Sandys, we'll just touch on this quickly before we go to Mexico. What is Schwartz doing? I have no idea. What are you doing? Like, you're still around a whole group of friends that know Katie very well, that are friends with Katie. You're openly now flirting with Raquel because Katie's not there. You can't have it both way. You can't have Katie at this.

tasting menu event, which we didn't really need to talk about, but unless you want to talk about the food. No, because I'm going to have to talk about a fucking lobster corn dog and like the fact that the first upscale item you walk out is a goddamn lobster corn dog. Which probably tastes pretty good, but honestly, that's not an

upscale thing. Don't put corn breading around fucking lobster. Keep it clean. Keep it precise. Lobster needs to be eaten with fucking butter. Okay? Period. Don't start the shit. If you want to do something like that, make a goddamn lobster roll, not a fucking corn dog

because you think you're cool and edgy, and my name's Greg and I'm a douchebag. Yep, well, there you go. But you can't be Schwartz and have Katie over there because I still respect her and I want her to know that I value her opinion. Have her over for that tasting menu, which is very important, I guess. Maybe, who the fuck knows.

And then also go and flirt with Raquel the entire day, walk away and say, oh, you want to do the sound bath thing? Like, it's really cool. Go into the men's bathroom with her? Go into the men's bathroom with her. tell her I'll wait outside while you quote unquote take a piss and then sit outside and talk about the fact that you both have a star projector you're both weirdos they are both both weirdos

that was the thing before scandevall came out is I was like you know what rachel and tom kind of makes sense to me not tom sandinvol tom schwartz yeah they're just both kind of airy and like ditsy and they make sense together that's what I always thought and then look where we are now Raise B. Ariana's candle. But that takes us to Mexico, finally. And there's not a ton to talk about here. I mean, we already touched on, like, the dinner, and that was the big blow-up.

But I do want to get back to the Sheena Katie thing. All right? So Sheena says, because Lala and Katie are comparing their room, she's like, you're so far away. Oh, my God. And Sheena gets a confession. She's like, I moved her room and took her off of the club member list. I do believe the latter.

I do believe the latter as well, yes. That's plausible. But if the whole place is sold out to the point that you can't get your bridesmaid a room, how were you able to finagle moving Katie? Seems unlikely because I think Lala is in the wedding. I'm not positive on that. So it would make sense that Lala would be in that building, if you will, closest to where Sheena is.

Now Katie is just another attendee. So it would make sense that maybe she wouldn't get priority. So she would be in, you know, the third building or whatever. but we were led to believe. So I do not think maybe Sheena called and she thinks that she did this, but I really don't think that she was able to do that unless she was lying about the first part, which is there are no rooms because it's booked solid. You're not able to move one person to another room unless she swapped.

That's, yeah. She could have swapped somebody? It could be a swap scenario where she moved her to a different room and moved that person to the main. Okay. All right. Then let's run with that because people are going to hate this either way because, again, we're siding with Sheena.

Yeah, let's run with that just for my. own psyche because I start I we talked about it earlier and I'm starting to think that this is all just for the show and I don't like the way that that sounds so we're not going to run with that and we're just going to touch very very briefly on ultimate girls trip because they drop they always do the three episode drop which is tough for us to recap because there's too much there but we want to catch up to the most recent episode so we're going to give you a brief synopsis of how we feel about the show thus far so Me personally, I like it.

And I thought that you even might like it for some reasons. But before I get to my reasons why, because you're grimacing and shaking your head at me, let me hear why you don't like Ultimate Girls Trip 3. So the reason I don't like Ultimate Girls Trip 3 is because they paired people up. And it's the weirdest pairings of people. We get Whitney and Heather who are not, they're not on the same page at the end of Salt Lake City, but they will still cling to each other because they know each other. and they're not, you know, maybe they're both like outgoing and whatever, but it's just weird that

it's just a weird group of women. And it's always just a weird group of women for me. Candice and Giselle do not get along, but they both said that they do not plan on hashing out things from the season here. We're going to not talk about it. We're just going to squash it. Whatever. Porsche, I enjoy Porsche because we didn't get to watch a lot of Atlanta. So I'm actually kind of happy because I do remember her from watching Atlanta. So I'm happy that she's there. Pepsi is the star of everything, which you will agree with. But that's back-to-back butlers that have taken us by

storm. I don't really know. I think that Ultimate Girl Strip 2 sucks so bad that the butler looked good. Marco. But looking back on Marco, he just looked lost. But he was funny. He was funny. He did, all right, fine. He brought like a comedic element. Hepsey's a gem. That man is a gem. Awesome. Because he's

talking shit and he's also the best butler that's there. I will wait. When you wake up every morning, I will be here. You go to bed every night? I will still be here he's great what do you do how do you sleep do you sleep probably not but he's great he's the star of the show and then we just get giselle just doing the shit that we hated from potomac and she doesn't know any of these women i thought immediately when she starts talking about lee is drinking and she's like yeah i thought that maybe like hether said that maybe we can get you a drink

and it would be fun immediately throwing heather under the bus you just met this woman she should have for that i know but like i don't heather again problem she goes i read your book well if you read the book, then you know that she has a huge problem with drinking, and she will relapse. She introed with, how are you going to stay sober? I feel like I'm obligated to support you. And then she says, let's get her drunk. But she's sober. Isn't she? That's the challenge. But this is the problem that I have with Ultimate Girl's Trip is the selection. While Portia, I think, will be good because she, even though she said like, oh, Bravo's trying to like win me back with this nice thing. Like, no, it's on Peacock, lady. No. She's just trying to win back a role. Okay, noted, whatever.

and Heather, I do not care about, I would almost rather have, like, Meredith there. At least Lisa Barlow, send Lisa over there with Heather. I would have liked Lisa there. Or Lisa and Whitney, because I actually kind of liked Whitney towards the end of the season. Like, that would be better. Giselle, I can't stand because she does this shit. But Candice is not going to do much except for probably have a good time. And we kind of get that role where somebody fills that void where it's like, oh, yeah,

I'm just going to have a good time here. Okay, whatever. That's fine. It's not going to be good for the show. it's just I don't like the mix of people and Leah again like I don't know she was kind of a dud on Roney and there was so much drama with Rony at all times that I felt like Lisa just kind of like stepped in there or Leah just stepped in there rather I just don't really know what

this show's going to be and maybe it'll get better look I'll hold out hope for it I said last week that I wasn't going to watch it but obviously I'm going to watch it all right so I do you like I disagree with everything he said I really enjoyed it don't care about Heather's fucking black eye please i don't either but here's what i like and this is what we didn't get and what we will never get from like salt lake i like that the women in the group are like that doesn't make any fucking sense that's ridiculous what do you mean you don't remember you're not telling us the whole story every like half truth we've gotten out of all the other women from every franchise

the women from the other franchises are like no bullshit tell us like they're not they're not tiptoeing around it because they're not afraid of jenshaw they're not afraid of of the ladies of Potomac. They're not afraid of like anybody because they don't know them so they're asking the questions that we want to ask. I like that.

That's fun to me. I love the setting. It's a beautiful place. Pepsi is the shit. And I'm a Coke man, but Pepsi is the shit. And I think that there's a lot of potential. I think it's going to be a fun ride.

That's why all of our listeners like it just because you're a fucking curmudgeon. I think once again, we're going to get too many episodes. That might be a thing. Six is perfect for these weird shows. And I get like, you probably spent a ton of money on this beautiful mansion compound, whatever you want to call it, in Thailand. It looks incredible.

And obviously you have to pay Pepsi whatever the fuck he wants because he is going to run the show. But I feel like they're just going to try to milk it for way too long. And then we're just going to get tired of it because that's what happens with these one-off shows. Well, time will tell. But as it always does. I'm excited. I like it so far, but next week we'll dive in to episode four. We'll do like an actual recap of it and hopefully shoot her turns.

We'll see. I know you're listening, Lowe's. Shut up. But that takes us one last time to Miami. I don't think that you might hit the wrong button on that too. Well, people don't know that we can't hear it until the episode air. I probably started talking while the horn was still blaring. You might have.

I always think that maybe you're going to slip up and hit the wrong button and it's like some somber song. I could do this one like that. Yay, it's applause. You can't hear it either. We don't have headphones on, so I'm just clicking buttons.

We have no idea what's going on. Anyway, let's get back to business. We're just going to touch on this one quickly as well. We're trying to get to Jersey, but we've got to touch on everything. It was a big week, lots of shows. What did you think about episode three of the reunion? I thought it stunk.

Too long. I think they could have done with one episode. episode one episode like it doesn't make sense to have again a peacock exclusive having three episodes for a reunion for a season that like yeah it had things going on and there were issues but you can hash them all out in one episode just I would actually be happier if they just did like an hour and a half long one episode like if you feel like it's one of these shows oh yeah that's a good touch on a lot like I will watch an hour and a half straight through or you know I'll watch the first hour half an hour later whatever there were things that needed to be addressed I feel like they didn't really address anything. It was mostly just women shouting at each other and then coming back together and then shouting each other again. And we never really got anywhere.

There was no closure to be had. I just need for a show like this an update on where they are now. Tell me where Lisa and Lenny are. How'd that Halloween party go? What are we doing now? Okay, great. Nicole and Larsa, are you guys friends?

Are you not friends? Why? Okay, cool, done. Adriana and Alexia. Are you guys friends? Marisol, shut the fuck up. You do have a drinking problem. like Adriana is wild and all of the things that she did with like the rehab thing like whatever it just went on for too long like we didn't need the three episodes i will not let

that take away from a pretty enjoyable season oh no i won't either i won't either and i think the first episode was decent of the reunion i think that's all they needed i think the season overall was good we both thoroughly enjoyed it it was our first foray into miami i think that the only thing we need to say about this episode was it appears that there are is at least an olive branch for Adriana. Like they seem to somewhat come to terms towards the end. And like, I think the recap of like the bridesmaid thing seem to kind of drum up some emotion finally out of Marisol and Alexia to where they were like, could see past all the

stupid shit Adriana's doing it. Just because Alexia and Marisol are a nightmare half the time, it doesn't gloss over that Adriana says really, really mean dumb stuff. Yeah. Like she doesn't have a filter and just. kind of comes out and then she tries to backpedal and act like it wasn't supposed to be mean, which doesn't work. But I don't think it's from a place of like hate.

I think it's just desperation at this point. I don't even know if it's desperation. I honestly, I feel like Adriana's hurt, but she just can't really vocalize why she's hurt and how she's hurt and do it in a constructive way. Because, I mean, let's face it, the other women that she's having issues with don't do that. They don't filter their emotions. but they have people backing them, especially when it's Alexia and Marisol,

they can say whatever the fuck they want because they know that they have each other's backs. They never turn on each other. Larsa, for the most part, will also not turn on Alexia or Marisol, and she says ridiculous things too. So none of them really have filters. Like I think Nicole and Gertie and even Lisa to an extent,

I feel like they all have pretty good filters and they have good heads on their shoulders and they will always come to a point where like, all right, yeah, like maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong, whatever. In most cases, they're not really wrong. Like, we tend to agree with Nicole and Gertie and Lisa Moore. I love Gertie.

Gertie's great because she actually shows real change. Like, she realized she had a discussion with her husband about, like, not being present and not doing this and maybe working too much. She cut her work time back. She spends more time with her family. Like, that's what we like to see. It was amazing. That whole interaction between her and Andy and her explaining, like, how she felt when she heard it and, like, how much it hurt. And, like, what she was able to do since then is.

incredible and like I wish there was more emphasis on that kind of change out of these women and not like just how much drama and shit can we start like watching gertie figure that out was beautiful it was yeah and I don't know like what you expect from the show I think they do need to trim a couple from the show just to keep it on point because there's just too many moving parts and too many annoyances for me but I do think that overall they have a good thing going Yeah, they do. And we did get one last shot at the lingerie party from 2011. We did.

We got one more ass slap, one more creepy guy, like lingering in the background of the shot. I hate that to clip. I hate it. But as soon as they said it, as soon as I said Halloween party, I was like, they're going to show the clip. And sure enough. It showed it in a couple weeks, but I'm happy that we got one last. At least, yeah, they kind of send us off. And with that, Miami's done.

Z-horn. But now we're back at Summer House, and I want to call this the Daniel episode, the bad Danielle episode because I had a hard time watching it, and it honestly made a lot of stuff make sense. Yeah, I mean, you've been talking about Danielle kind of like meddling where she doesn't belong

and having opinions on things that she shouldn't have opinions on, and kind of just being wrong. honestly and it came to fruition during this episode but here i want to start with lindsay and amanda's lunch okay this has been a long time coming it's two friends that have been friends and they weren't friends they've been trying to find their way back to friendship i guess yeah i think so not really though because like they both just talk shit about each other behind there i will say when it comes like the smack talk i haven't really heard a lot out of lindsay regarding amanda no not really at all honestly i mean she even when amanda had her meltdown

the other night. Like, Lindsay didn't do a whole lot. She just, I mean, yeah, she smiled and she smirked. She had obviously issues with Kyle and she was talking to Carl about it. But like, when you look back at it, she really didn't say anything bad about Amanda. Like Danielle started that whole thing. Yeah. Shocker, Danielle started it. But they seem to end on good terms or at least like under the agreement, like we're going to be cordial. Let's enjoy the summer. Like this foreson that we have should be more fun. Like, we're in business together. Like, everyone loves each other.

Like, we should be getting along. I do think, at first when I watched it, I was like, holy shit, like Lindsay's breaking down and actually showing vulnerability and showing her emotion. And you can tell that Amanda did not expect that at all. I think that she went into this lunch with a completely different mindset, thinking that Lindsay was going to kind of stand her ground and be a tough girl. And, like, Lindsay did stand on that and say, like, I portray myself as this tough girl

that has no emotions, but really, deep down like I don't know what to think and like I'm pretty upset about this whole thing but when you're looking back on this season like Lindsay even says during that lunch like I thought that we were going to go into the summer like excited because you know I'm dating Carl now and Kyle and Carl are best friends and they work together and I was excited to like hang out with you guys and it should be fun but Lindsay hasn't done anything aside from that to indicate that she was looking forward to this like when she came in it seems like she was kind of dreading it And she was just so obsessed with her relationship with Carl that she didn't really spend any time with Amanda.

Like she says that she was excited to spend time with her and this foursome is going to be so much fun. But she wasn't nice to Amanda at all. So it completely contradicts all the things that she said during this. So when I first watched it, I was like, holy shit. Like she's actually being real and breaking down and I actually believed it. But I think she was full of shit maybe in just that moment. I don't disagree with the fact that she was probably upset and she would probably hurt by the things that Amanda said. And she was hoping that maybe they'd be able to squash it, whatever.

but she wasn't doing anything to show that she was excited to maybe mend this relationship with Amanda so I do disagree with her there but I do think that she was at least being a little more real than Amanda I think so too Amanda seemed like really guarded

with the conversation like she didn't really want to dive into it or maybe she was just hyper skeptical and that's how it was coming off possibly she just she didn't seem to give as much as Lindsay did and that bugged me because if you're going to agree to do

this like if you're going to agree to go sit down then you should go sit down with an open mind ready to mend it she does kind of get there eventually but it seemed more so to me like it was all right like yeah let's just be friends we'll figure this whole thing out instead of like a genuine yeah you know what we got off on the wrong foot this summer this is ridiculous let's figure this shit out and let's just move on that's pretty much how carl and kyle also ended their discussion valid point like let's let the girls just figure it out and we should be fine like they both kind just pushed it off on the other yeah on the other person it was like you know what like Amanda and Lindsay were like you know what Carl and Kyle have things to figure out

they work together clearly something's not right but they're trying to push past it so why don't we just try to push past it too like neither comes to an actual resolution and it is funny but like I feel like I agree with you right with Amanda she should have shown more emotion she should have shown maybe a little bit of vulnerability because nothing bothers me more than when someone on one side of the table and you have an issue that you need to shows emotion and is actually real and the other person just kind of stands pat like yeah i get maybe you were caught off guard by lindsay doing this but you're also the aggressor in a lot of ways yeah you made the comments that were on camera either to her face or behind her back about how you feel

about lindsay as a person and they're not nice things so you should be remorseful unless you really don't want this to get better and we don't like lindsay then at least be real and just be like you know what like i don't think that we can ever get to a point where we're going to be friends but at least we can be cordial around like say that out loud if that's how you feel like I hate when people guard their feelings like that and she keeps what she does is like lean on that text she said I apologized already it's like that's different when you're face to face it's different than a text like if you send an apology text the first conversation should have the next time you see them is hey I am really sorry yeah that just like it solidifies it you're

hiding behind the wall of your phone which is childish that is childish well done well said moving right along we get a great spread for Robert. Robert is there with Danielle for the weekend. And as I said already, you see where all of Daniel's problems come from. And it's not necessarily because of Robert. It's just their relationship. Everything that she is saying and projecting and complaining about with Lindsay and Carl are all things that she's not getting from Robert due to his job. Period. That's all it is. Literally everything. Why can't you come within Montauk? But fast forward, after they all get home from dinner, she goes directly upstairs to bed and starts texting Robert,

come upstairs, come upstairs, come upstairs. One, really bad look. Two, you can't say in a confessional, look, Robert works like 90 hours a week. This is also his opportunity to blow off steam. I'd love to spend some time with him, but hey, he's got to party and have some fun. The first thing you do when he starts to party

is try to reel him in. So you're contradicting yourself once again, and all she does is project. And before we get to the after party, I do want to talk about Club Ultra. Oh, yeah. And I even drew like a rock on in my notebook because we get to see them party. They get to see him out of club.

We see him clubbing. I enjoyed them clubbing. Did you? I did. You enjoyed that scene. I thought it was a glimpse into something we haven't seen in a while other than like, you know, Lindsay and Carl. That's what I'm talking about.

That overshadowed everything, though. But here's my thing, okay? And this is what annoys me with the rest of the cast regarding Lindsay and Carl. And I'm not going to sit here and say that it didn't irk me a little bit. but they all want to see and even Carl commented on he wants to see the newbies like mix it up with some chicks

like you know hook up a little bit caution mischief or whatever they're just hooking up at the bar which is like what we want the other people to do is it just because they're together so we're like ugh like maybe I think the fault lies with Bravo with their production team

because I think that they are leaning heavily into the fact that they truly don't want us to like Lindsay and Carl together honestly Like that probably sucks for Lindsay and Carl But there could have been other things going on And this is one of those rare moments And we talked to Carl about this Where there is not really any red tape around this

Like Bravo's production crew is allowed to come into this bar They're allowed to film And there's probably hours of footage Because they were there for a few hours Yeah Like they were there I think they didn't get home Until like after one And they got there at like 10.30 maybe

So there's a couple hours of footage There is probably a lot of stuff that happened there But instead Bravo chose to show us Lindsay and Carl making out a lot of PDA and then their reactions to it. Instead of letting us just kind of like focus on what this show should be about, which is having fun on the Hamptons at the bar. Like we need to know more about Sam and Chris and Gabby. Not Lindsay and Carl making out.

Like leave them alone. Like at this point, I don't care. Just stop showing them. That's a good way to put it. Just leave them out of it. Leave them alone because you know what they're doing. We don't need to see it. And you're making it worse for them.

You're making us not like them. And like you said, I want to get to know everybody else because I really like Sam. Chris cracks me up. And Gabby is great for TV. Whether you like her or not, like she is good for the show. Yeah, I agree with that. So give us more of them. I'm with you here. I didn't even think of it that way. I am going to blame production for pointing us in the wrong direction. And you know what production overall? They've had a shot a year. With everything. With everything. Because they think that we care more about these stupid things that just drag on forever. Like we don't care. And I think if you're asking me honestly, like looking back, it's been a couple of years of this.

They focused, even on Summerhouse last year, they focused on the Austin and Sierra thing. I got over that so quick. Like, I just didn't care anymore. It was dragging on so long. And there was definitely other things going on. Like, they're there for what, 18 hours a day filming. Like, there's got to be more information out there. There's got to be more scenes out there that you can use. Instead, you just decide to pile on with the same bullshit over and over. Let it go. Let it brought its course for a couple episodes. And we're done. Like, at this point, Lindsay and Amanda have squashed it. Carl and Kyle have squashed it.

Stop focusing on it. We're done. I agree. Move on. I 100% agree. But we get to the vineyard and it's a lovely day. They're just sipping wine talking about how easy it used to be to come as Kyle so eloquently put. And Sam out of left field, it's like, oh, yeah, this one time, you know, a guy spit in my mouth and I loved it. I thought that was a huge plus for Sam not because of the comment that like the specifics of the comment, but just the fact that she's like, blah, here, it like throws that out

on the table. It's like word vomit. Like, here, I throw this out. Like, that was funny. But like, I feel like that's where we're missing these things. Like, these are new people. Yeah. We need to get to know them.

So let those things kind of flourish and stop focusing on the dumb shit. I 100% agree. The biggest thing that happened this episode was. we get to see Lindsay go out like she got she's like I want to go out with the ladies tonight and Carl told us that was coming sure enough she's like I'm going to go cut loose tonight and I hated hated how this scene played out it really bummed me out because Lindsay can't do anything right and like for those that have listened for a while you know I'm not like a Lindsay fan right like that's not where I stand but you can't play both sides against her last year she had a

problem all of you were like she's going off the rail she's doing too much blah blah blah she's not going to mon talk last week she finally goes out and it's like getting after it which is clearly what you all have wanted yep and now we all question her about it yeah no i i hated that i hated the conversation about like her curving her drinking around carl like that like we we've had a discussion about like not allowing lindsay to weaponize the fact that she got sober for carl or got sober around Carl or whatever. But you can't throw that back in her face because she's not drinking as much as she used to. Like one, generally speaking, you're getting older. You can't be doing that as much. Two, she's happy in her relationship, unlike Danielle is. So she's not going to go up to Montauk.

She's not going to do this. Like, don't put her under a microscope because she's happy in her relationship and not doing the things that she did when she was single or even with other ex-boyfriends who, let's face it. Like, she didn't really like that relationship with Stavi or, is that his name? Stopi. Nice. Yeah, whatever. With the sandwich guy or like whoever else. Like she is happy now and she's getting older and she's slowing down and she's enjoying

her life a little bit more just because it doesn't align with your interests or you feel like I miss the old Lindsay. Like it doesn't mean that she's not still there. She even said, I wanted to have a girl's night tonight because I feel like I've been spending too much time with Carl and around the guys. Like I wanted to have a girl's night to let loose. You're not letting me let loose. Instead you're just telling me that everything I'm doing is wrong.

Like that sucks. It does. And for you to sit there and then. challenge her cutting back on drinking was banana land it was crazy it's like yeah i hated that daniel's big statement is i loved you the way that you were like shut up a relationship your friends you're a friend one two you're advocating for heavy drinking versus cleaning up your act and getting a little like getting sober like who the fuck takes that stance what a weird hill to die on it's just such a weird hill yeah you were a mess last year when you were drinking too much you've

you've gotten a boyfriend now who is sober and you're trying to support him and drink less, don't change for anybody. Like, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not. If you're trying to better yourself for one, yourself, and to your relationship, that's a wonderful thing. Continue to do that. Don't let these weird comments, like, derail you because these girls are idiots.

Mainly Danielle, the fact that she's sitting there making faces the whole time to the point where everybody in the group's like, what are you doing? Like, stop with the faces. Stop with the nonsense. And she takes, I take serious offense. Like, there's no reason for me to go to Montauk. Danielle, there is no reason for her to go to Montau. Carl's not there.

And if she, that's how their relationship is, then that's how it is. That's to mention, it was 1130 and it's an hour to Montauk. She didn't feel like dealing with it. Just because you feel like dealing with it and you've got the energy to go do that, then go do it. Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. The whole conversation made no sense. And I much rather watch Lindsay do this with Carl and like kind of have like little squabbles about like actual relationships and have an issue with Danielle. Then I would rather her watch or then I'd rather watch her last year being drunk.

shit every weekend and hooking with Austin and coming home with some random guy and it's just it was like terrible it was cringy to watch last year she's cleaned up her act she's much better she's a better person she's a better girlfriend she's happier she's happier let her be fucking happy if you're actually her friends no you're going to be selfish as shit because you really don't like your relationship with robert and now you're just projecting it on lindsay because lindsay's not there for you to cut loose and have fun because she's actually having a good life yeah quit projecting your shit Shooter here to talk to you guys about Nutraful. Look, when we watch these shows, a lot of the times I just want to rip my hair out.

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I'll give a seven. Okay. Okay. Not an eight. Eight implies it was a great episode. Seven means it was good. I think I gave it an eight only because so much happens, but I was also so confused. Like I never really get the urge to really rewatch episodes like it really across really

anything that I'm watching, honestly. But this I felt like I needed to rewatch because I was confused. There were so many moving parts, so much new information, so many things going on. so many beefs with everybody, it was just hard to keep track of. Well, let's do it. Let's bullet point at that. All right. Bullet point number one, Pizza Gate.

Yeah. Okay. That's probably the most confusing of it all. It's extremely confusing. So allegedly, Louis invested 250K with Joe Gorga's pizza business idea. I'm still confused at the premise of the idea. They were buying pizza ovens and then they got boxes. Were they going brick and mortar?

I think so if you have pizza ovens, unless they're going to cook out of Louie's house. Well, no, because, like, people do have trailers that they pull up for plays and stuff that are pizza businesses. Like, I've worked with some of those. I think the plan was to have brick and mortar. Yeah, I think their plan was to have an actual restaurant or store, at least to pick it up.

Well, regardless, they were planning on going to business together, which I'm shocked that we haven't. I had heard zero about this until the whole of the episode. Yeah. But apparently it fell through because Joe wanted 50% even though he fronted zero dollars. Just for his intellectual idea. For his intellectual property. Louis, who invested $250k, said, I'll give you 5%.

Which we broke it down with Zach. That's what you get normally when you invest with a company. Like, for example, Schwartz and Sandy put in $50,000 a piece to Tom Tom, right? And they each got 5% of the business. Like that's a standard number for a low investment, even more so if you're not invested at all. Joe's defense was, I could have front of the $250. Like, I would have done that. He never asked me for the money.

He never asked me for the money. but when push comes to shove you can't blame it on the pizza boxes and skinny girl pizza whatever the fuck was supposed to be called via teresa yeah and that's that's where it like that's where i get completely lost because somebody's not neither of them are probably telling the truth but how does it go from joey going to louis and saying i've got this idea for a pizza thing i'd love for you to invest with me i've got zero dollars on my own like that's you're already fucked and then it goes through this whole thing where louis's like yeah yeah i'll agree to it if you do percent. Here's 250K, whatever. And then out of nowhere, all of a sudden, we've got skinny

girl pizza. Yeah. Like, something happens there, and they're not telling us. There's a big piece missing here. Sure. But from an objective standpoint, looking at this as a business plan, Joe, if you wanted a higher percentage, you should have approached him as an investor, not a brother-in-law. And then like, here's my business plan. This is what I want out of it. This is what I'm investing. Zero. Here's what I want from you for X amount. And then, And Louis could come back and be like, okay, well, if you want this percentage, I need this out of you. If that doesn't work, we shouldn't do this. But instead, they just jump right in.

Here's $250,000 that he then apparently just ate, like he didn't get anything back. I guess Joe bought ovens and pizza boxes or something, but where are the ovens? And there's no ovens. So I, here's where all the speculation comes in because we know Joe as a business man. We know how many issues he has right now, how many lawsuits he's in right now for his contracted business. I saw something the other week that he was putting things up on his Instagram saying another makeover

by Joey Gorga is this beautiful and it was some woman's house that she built from scratch no he had nothing to do with it and then when she confronted him about it he said oh I'm so sorry like I had somebody else go out and take a picture of the house they must have taken a picture of the wrong house that was recognized the house

he had no idea what an idiot he's the worst businessman probably ever and he's probably in crippling debt and this is speculation. I have no idea, but this is what I'm just thinking. I think what happened is Louis came with the 250K, told him buzz off. You're not getting 50%. Joe got mad about it. He said, fine, I'll give you 5% for the intellectual property. And then you can buy in later or whatever. Joe disagreed again. And Louis said, you know what, fuck it. Like, I'm not dealing with you. This is not how people

do business. We're not doing this. I will go do this with Teresa. Joe got pissed off. But Joe doesn't want to seem like, oh, no, I said no to putting money in. I said that my idea was better than anything else, I didn't want to. So now he's going to look at the tough guy and be like, Louis never asked me for any money. Like, it was your idea. Louis shouldn't ask you for money for your own idea when you approach him for a subject for a new business and you have zero dollars.

Right. If you're approaching him as an investor. You're like, hey, I'm putting up 250K. Do you want to match it and we'll go 50-50? That's what makes sense. You don't walk up and be like, here's a great idea. I'm asking for it. Like, if this was on Shark Tank, they would have laughed.

They'd be out. They would all be out. I'm out. You want what for, you want zero. dollars from you, $250. For your mind. Yeah. Get the fuck out of you.

It just doesn't make any sense. The whole thing didn't track at all. No, it was, I was so lost, but now that I'm able to, like, think about it and put pieces together, that's what makes the most sense. I think the first mistake, why the fuck would you get into business with each other to begin with? You guys are not on good terms. This is only going to muddy the waters, even if it goes well.

Even if it goes well. You know how difficult it is to be in business with a friend or family member? If you disagree on anything, that's. The whole thing can implode. Yes. So that was their first mistake. I'm not shocking that this is what ended up happening. But the funny thing is, you could argue that this is the root of their issues now?

Is this what called the irreparable damage to their family? I guess. Is this fucking pizza business? I guess. Get over it. Get over it. Joe has such a big ego that this makes sense that that's probably why. It does.

It really does. And he's acting like a hurt puppy dog because I'm going to start doing that. Anytime I get a new idea for like a new venture, I'm going to go to people and be like, look, I want 50%, I need $300,000 out of you with no other stipulations, no other kickbacks, just this is how it's going to be if you want to be in business with this guy. Most of the action takes place at Futa's shorehouse. We're still in Seaside Heights, I guess that I need to know what John Fuda does for a living. I think it's like a tile business or something, but like. Yeah, I think he rolled, he sold his ironically pizza business and made a good amount off of. that and then I think he rolled it into yeah no I'm sorry Rachel so Rachel Fuda did

you know this Rachel Fuda that is her name that is not her married name it is not John Fuda his last name is like Diatry wait she her last name is Fuda but they call him John Fuda his last name is also Fuda he took her name which is fine oh but the reasoning behind that is because her come her dad owns a tile company that's pretty big and she She wanted to continue that name so that when they get the business, they can be the Fudas. Okay. So that makes sense. So John Fuda, I don't really know what he does for work at this point.

I know that he did have a pretty successful business with pizza. Sold that, made a good amount of money. The tile money is coming from her side of the family. When I heard family business, I thought John Fuda. I did not know that either. I saw that on Twitter. I think yesterday the day before, and I was like, whoa. That's actually pretty good information.

It's great information. Did you hear the rumor that apparently, to. try to get him on the show, Joe traded Fuda. He gave Joe Tile for his house. Okay. For free. Yeah.

And in return, Joe got him on the show. Oh. That's a rumor that's out there. Yeah. I mean, that would track. I like the rumor. That dead 100, especially with Joe, Joey Corners. Yeah.

Joey Corners, because he cuts corners. Yeah. I like that. Joey Corners goes to him. Hey, I got a deal. I got a little deal, a little business deal for you. I love that. love that. I don't have that in a while. Bring it back. Bring it back. But we're at

Futa's party and that house is swanky as shit for the Jersey Shore. Like, you know how expensive that place would be? Absolutely. Two million dollar house. Yeah. But they're kicking it there and so much happens. So much happens. We're going to start out. We're doing bullet points. So let's go Marge and Danielle. All right. Marge Danielle and Rachel Fuda. I have a habit of calling both Fudas Fudas. That's fine. So Lady Fuda is she's brought into this conversation because marge and daniel start discussing what daniel said okay and if we go back to that cutscene one daniel didn't say anything like inflammatory what she was saying was i heard this about marge it's a statement of fact there was no stank in her voice

there was no maliciousness it was just this is what i heard about march fuda echoes it lady fuda says yeah she has an arsenal whatever she says the same exact sentence that Danielle said. But when shit's hitting the fan, Marge is calling out Danielle. Marge's like, I don't like that. That's high school shit. And I graduated and she escalates it to a level that you didn't

need to go. Yeah, I'm coming from Marge this week. She loses her shit. It's unbecoming. It doesn't, it's not a good look. She starts going in on Danielle who's utterly confused and looks to Futa for help. Fuda draws a line in the sand immediately. I am team Marge because I'm an idiot. And she backs up Marge. She's like,

I didn't say anything. What did I say? What did I say? Tell me what I said. And nothing makes me angrier. I hate when I see like an argument or people are going back and forth and you call them on like, well, yeah, what's your evidence? Yeah. And like, is there are times where that's necessary for sure where you need to be like, all right, we'll back it up?

But there's other times where you know what happened. You're just trying to catch them off guard and get them to freeze. She does it. Danielle freezes and she's like, look, yeah, I know I said that. But the way that you're portraying it is different. than how I said it. I didn't say it that way. Marge doesn't care.

The fact that she said it is enough for March to have a fucking tantrum and storm off like a brat because that's what she is. She goes off and Fuda is like, are we good? No. Not even remotely. That was great in harmony. But no. And I do really think that Fuda just learned how to play the game quicker than

Danielle did. And we did not expect this at all. Honestly, if I was looking back at the first, second episode, whatever, I would have pegged Danielle to be this person. the antagonizer and figuring out the game quicker. Food to figure it out quick. And she, what? Who cares which team she chose?

She drew her line in the sand. She latched onto a veteran. She's feeding her information and she's playing the game. And Danielle is caught off guard. She has no idea what to do. Everybody's coming for her and her brother and all these other things. And she's playing directly into Marge's hands. And Marge now knows, obviously she knows how to play the damn game.

But she gets away with lines like, oh, you're going to say, have an arsenal well maybe i'll just reach out to your sister-in-law maybe i'll reach out to your brother and find out what happens and that's actually what marge ruined what she does absolutely what she does and she's playing it off like it's a joke but it's not because you've done this in the past with other people and we've seen it and we know how you play this game we know what you do so when somebody says you do have an arsenal like you do have an arsenal and then you just proved our you just how you do it in a playful way and look i mean it it sucks because we really like daniel but she is not having a good showing because

anytime the shit hits the fan, she leaves. She leaves and it's tough. And she does and I like Danielle, I will stick up for Danielle. I'm still on her team here for the time being like I think that I will because she's real but she can do a lot for this show. She just has to learn how to play the game and maybe she needed

this check to be like shit like don't trust anybody out here. No, yeah. But she needs to stop running from the argument. You're correct. And she needs to not give them information in which they can run with it. especially when you got Jackie up your ass, trying to get you off the show

so she can get back to a full time. She's doing the absolute most, and it's the absolute worst, bro. I'm so sick of Jackie on the screen. She has this different air about it this year. Like last year, she was going through some stuff. There was some moments where people connected with her. Like, wasn't her best season ever?

No, but she was also dealing with a lot of shit. We resonated with that. We're like, oh, man, like she's going through. We appreciate the honesty, the openness. Like, Jackie, we're rooting for you. Yeah. She came back with a fucking vengeance and not in a good way. You were allegedly taking a step back for your own personal health.

And now you're coming on stronger than ever throwing grenades at Danielle nonstop, the way she dresses, the shit with her brother. Let's not forget, Jackie. You don't talk to your sibling either. You've yet to discuss it with us. We don't really know the ins and outs of it. But you're going to throw Danielle into the bus because she offered some information, assuming she was in a safe space only to then be berated by every woman there.

Everyone jumps on that train. What's going on with your brother? that can't be it there's no way that's it but there's also hold on there's also a way to go about it there's a way to go about it that they don't do and this is what pisses me off because you took the stance like no it's good like they're playing the game she gave the information blah blah blah yeah okay fine ask her in a non-combative way don't do it in front of everybody in that way i want to know what happened but you're only going to shut her off and why are they trying to pigeonhole her right now like they don't know her that well yet why are we anti-daniel i know why jacky is but

Why does everyone else jump on board? I don't understand why people are jumping on board. I don't understand why they're not like, I just think it's easier to put this together that there's got to be more information. And I truly do agree with that. I do think that there is way more to this story. There's no chance in hell that your brother blocked you on Instagram

just because you were being annoying and doing weird TikToks and whatever during the pandemic. There's got to be more to the story. I agree with that. I do think that she was just a little wrong to leave this information out there, knowing that these women will see some blood in the water. She shouldn't have left it open ended.

Never leave it open ended. But at this point, I do disagree. Like, people have come after her. She's had every opportunity to end it. Tell us what happens. You could make up anything. Who the fuck cares? If you don't talk to your brother anymore and it's an irreparable relationship at this point,

you could just lie. You could just honestly just be like, he was a dick to my husband. He was this. He was that. Whatever. Just shut them up. Because you leaving. you not saying anything and you're not giving them any answers is making it worse for you.

They sit there and they speculate. Yes. So you have to give them an answer at this point. You're not going to be able to just move away and just be like, I'm not going to talk about it anymore and this is just going to be an issue because they will keep coming after you. They will keep digging and she needs to figure out what her defense is going to be. But maybe now she knows that because she was kind of caught off guard. She's like, oh, shit.

I hope she does because I still think she's a star. I think she's going to be great. But it just cracks me up that, you know, Marge takes such a firm stuff. dance. Marge doesn't even, did you know this? Marge doesn't talk to her stepkids or step kids refuse to talk to her. Yeah, Jen yelled that out. Yeah, Jen yelled that out last week.

We don't talk about that. Well, no, Marge won't let you. Marge will just start screaming. I know. Nobody wants that. It's a direct hit to like my nerves. I know. Like as soon as she starts going, I'm like, oh, God.

Oh, God, mute, mute, mute. I think we're going to get a lot of that this season. Yeah, it seems to be going that way. So last bullet point. Yep. Possibly the biggest bullet point. Teresa, Louis, Joe, Melissa, pajamas. Which got glossed over.

I know. I didn't get anything from that. You got a dumbfounded look on Joey's face. Joey corners are sitting there like, what? And then it doesn't go back. Nobody knew, and we just never get any resolution to it. And I hope it comes back because we need to know what the fuck's going on. Maybe.

Just maybe. That is actually what happened. Joe was just like, what? And just had no response. It was just sat. Maybe that clip was actually five minutes of Joe just staring off into the harbor. It really could have been. And I wish that they had played the entirety of it.

If that is what happened, just Joe just staring blankly off into space, like, what did he just say to me? That would have been really funny. I mean, we knew that Louie was a weird guy, and we've talked about this because we saw it on last week's, I guess, coming up, whatever, and we're like, we got to get more. We got nothing because Teresa then comes over and starts talking, and Melissa's there and starts talking, and then it becomes all about them. I really do think that Joe had no fucking idea what to say.

He had no response. And neither do we. It's just so weird and it's just so out there. And we knew that Louis was so weird. But this is a different level of weirdness. And look, as weird as it is, the rest of it was even weirder. It was. The whole conversation was bizarre.

So he pulls Melissa to the side and, like, holds her hand through this, like, preamble that he goes through. Which we don't really get to see. No, which, again, get us over there. I don't want to see Teresa yelling at Jackie. Like, I'm good. I want to hear what's going on so we can hopefully get to the bottom of it. Do I think that the approach was bizarre? Yeah.

Did we see a lot of holes in Louis' game this week? Yeah. And I told you guys, our listeners, that I would always own up to moments. And I never once said I'm rooting for Theresa and Louis. I said, let's give them enough space to fuck it up. Let's watch what happens. Maybe they did change, but let's see who these people are instead of jumping down their throat. Let's let them show us.

And this is a prime example of that. see Louis, he's clearly trying to be that person. He's trying to be that guy. I am the peacekeeper. I am Zen. I'm in control of my emotions so much to the point that I can fix anything. Melissa, come sit with me, hear me, feel what I'm saying. Let's connect. Not the right time, dude. And also a weird approach. When Teresa comes over, your soon-to-be wife, don't try to get on Melissa's good side to manipulate the conversation by driving your future wife away from you. By being like, dude, get out of here. Get out of here. What are you doing? What are you doing? What you doing and you see like the anger boom he kind of sparks a little bit and it's like oh shit that

was weird he brings it down a little bit later on sparks again you see him get mad when he slams his fist at teresa like he's trying to emphasize a point that was an actual like angry hit on the hand that was loud so you see some flaws in the game that he's trying to play the weird video that he makes with dumb and dumber behind him who had no business and he's like i want to talk about forgiveness we're sitting here we're talking about forgiveness forgiving people is is the biggest thing that we need to do. That's what the world needs right. We need forgiveness.

Like, I need Louis to continue doing what he's doing. As a viewer, I need him to continue this crazy war path he's on to allow me to be like, all right, he is fucking manipulative. He is weird. Do I think he's there yet? No. I think that we saw holes in his armor. I think we're going to continue to see it.

And I also appreciate that we saw a glimpse of Teresa again. Yeah, no, the real Teresa came back out. And I do think that if this continues and, Louis continues down this path where he is alienating Teresa and he is making her out to be the bad guy when she's just coming over. And like, do I agree that she does talk over people? Yes, absolutely. Did she stop when Louis kept going? Yes, she actually did stop.

So there is something there. But the way that he goes about it is definitely manipulative. And we talked about it last week in depth. He always just wants to be the good guy. He wants to be the guy that men's relationships. That's why he makes that fucking video. That was an absolute call out to Joe and Teresa. And when he sits down and he's sitting with Melissa and,

And again, I don't understand why we didn't get the first half of this conversation. We just get to jump in with them sitting very closely talking about something. We don't get to see all of that. And I do want to get a little bit more context on it. But honestly, he goes and invites Melissa's mom because he wants to be the good guy. He wants to squash this. But he needs to realize that Joe and Melissa do not want this to be squashed at all. They need this to continue.

And they are very egotistical when it comes to this show. Their only role on this show currently is their beef with Teresa. And Teresa is obviously the HBIC in this show. So as long as they have beef with her, they will continue to be there. We're fucking tired of it. So they will not let it go. So as soon as you give them an out,

as soon as Teresa starts carrying on, they will stop the conversation, they will leave. As soon as Louis starts losing his mind, they will stop the conversation, they will leave because they're realizing in their own head, wow, we look pretty good right now because you know what?

Louis just lost his fucking cool. Teresa is showing her head again and actually coming after us. we're winning this and in their own mind and to the viewers too it's tough for us to watch louis do that it's tough for us as much as we want the real teresa to come back it's tough for us to watch that happen because we're so fucking tired of the storyline but joe and melissa will perpetuate this over and over and over again because it's the only thing they have going on because as soon as that spotlight shines on their actual lives they're fucked they are what are going to talk about his businesses are terrible he's getting sued there's so many issues with all of that Melissa has absolutely nothing going for. So if this goes away, if you mend it and Louie helps that, Louis and Teresa stay or they get another show. Joe and Melissa don't get shit.

No. Because they contribute absolutely nothing to the show aside from having a house near Rachel, a house near everybody else where they can all come over and party. Otherwise, see you later. Teresa is tenured. She's not going anywhere. She would have to set somebody on fire

or punch them in the face and then set them on fire. You kicked off this show. Or scamming a bunch of old people out of money. Or scam out. Yeah. But even Teresa can go to jail and come back on the show. Like, she's not going anywhere. And Joe and Melissa either need to find a storyline.

They need to be the comic relief. They need to do something to stand off, to stand out, away from Teresa. But it's not going to happen. We're going to keep watching the same shit that we've been watching since season four. It's not going to stop. So anybody that thinks it's going to stop, get over yourself. It's a pipe dream. But that takes us to the question portion of the show.

And up first from Garrett Bauer, rank the Vanderpump cast. Let me make this easier. Let's rank. There's a lot of people on that cast. Rank the dudes, the main dudes. Hmm. Sannevall's last. Sandoval's last.

Schwartz is just above them, especially after this episode. James is surprisingly first. I guess we'll throw Brock in there right now. Is that what we're going to do? Yeah. Let's throw Brock in there and then Greg. You didn't rank him. You just said their names and said what you felt about it.

But I'll go to James Brock, Tom's. Okay. Let me listen to anybody right now. It's been a long day. James Brock, Peter. Oh, we're going to put Peter in there. Yeah. Peter.

The mini horses at Villarosa. They're first. Love the mini horses. And Tom's. Yeah. Yeah, but I just, they're down on the list because they're not people. I'm ranking people. Yeah, it makes them even better.

All right, fine. Mini horses first. From Cam Wine. Ultimate Girl Strip 3. Have your opinions on Marisol and Alexia changed after watching the first few episodes? No, because I know who they really are, but they are a little more tolerable, I guess, right now than we're on Miami. Opinion, no. Enjoying them more, yes.

Yeah, there you go. From K. Sparklic. K. Sparkle. Sparkle. Sparkle. Oh, God, damn it. K. Sparkle, K. I don't try to do this. How long do you think James Kennedy and Allie will last?

Are they still together? I believe so. I haven't seen anything otherwise. I know much longer. I don't know. He gets this, he gets women getting tranced by this guy. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't understand it. It seems like Allie actually has a head on her shoulders. Yeah, but dude, Lala. She's on for Clout and she wants to be on the show. Maybe she's. Maybe, maybe. But even Lala still has a little bit of the bug for James.

That's true. Yeah. I don't know. I give him six more months. Six, I like that. Over under six months, I'll take the slight over. Slate under. All right.

Okay. We'll see. From Kate Sharif, please stop the Rose and Thorne. It's so self-indulgent and insufferable. Guess what? Kate R. Sharif, you are now a Thorne, and we're never going to stop now. Yeah, what?

We will never stop just because we're going to rename this after you. Yeah, we're going to call this our Kate Sharif. Our Kate R. Sharif and Thorne. Or in Rose. So you just became enthrined, enshrined. enshrined in brav-brose lore you'll be here forever well done you lose all right two more questions from alison clune new jersey that's nj at the end but i didn't want to try to pronounce

nj what was the point of removing alex and replacing him with chris on summer house alex was boring still liked alex he thought he was a nice guy but it didn't bring anything to show chris is better than alice chris is better than alex chris is better than alice christ brings more to the show. I do understand they, you know, they kind of look alike. Chris isn't like outstanding, but he's better than Alex. Last question, this is a good one. I like this.

From Mandy, Mandy, MC, if any Bravo Lab were to join the Live Golf Tour, who would it be? Wow, that's good. Hmm. Like, P.K. Oh, wow. Okay, I didn't think of that. Or Mo, probably. I was thinking no, and then I went to P-Kai.

You know what I'm going to go? Where? Madison. So, yeah. That actually makes sense. She's got a good swing. We've seen an Instagram clip. She's got the personality.

Yeah, she's not really good to show about human rights. Jesus Christ. And with that, that's all we got this evening. Remember to follow us on Instagram at brav underscore bros. Follow us on Twitter at brav underscore pros. Follow us on TikTok at brav pros. And follow us on YouTube. Subscribe.

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