Bros & Shows - WWJSD (What Would Jesse Soloman Do?) (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

What Would Jesse Soloman Do, Bros?!? We are coming close to the end of summer and things are heating up. Ciara and West are still undecided as to what their future is after the awkward conversation at the horse riding date. Jesse Soloman celebrates 5 years cancer free (hell yeah Jesse). Carl and Kyle have a sit down about what his role at Loverboy would be. When he discusses it with Lindsay, her questions about the topic leads to frustrations... These two cannot communicate with one another... West throws a Doomsday party for the end of the summer bash. Meanwhile, Danielle launches the Donne app after years of development. Cameras pick back up in a week to see the conclusion of Lindsay and Carl... Was she blindsided? Do you have a side? Or is this a couple that simply never should have been together...? Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Gooder McShooter. What's up, dude? Memorial Day weekend. Happy start of the summer. Yeah, it's the official start of the summer. How was your Memorial Day weekend? It was great. I decided a couple of years ago that I'm not a shore guy during Memorial Day weekend because it's too crowded, the traffic sucks, and also the city's really nice because there's not that many people there.

And I just saw somebody is still sitting in traffic. They are taking about four and a half, five hours to get home from Wildwood. So, yeah, no. We did not miss out on any of that, so feeling good. And a nice long weekend. Lois doesn't sound great. It sounded worse. Yeah.

It's definitely sounded worse. Yeah. But I would take Raspi shooter over nasally allergy shooter. Oh, true. Yeah, my allergies are done. Oh, you should have said that. They're gone. Is that like a normal thing every year?

Yeah, no, it is a normal thing. Once it actually starts, like, moving into summer and being hot, it's gone. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Not everyone has that luxury. Nope. Well, the good thing is when you do have allergies is you. have your ass to bro i certainly do but i had a lovely weekend as well i got back from

texas saturday dev and i just stayed in the city as well or in the area and uh went downtown tried a new coffee spot almost home a little shout out there great spot if you haven't been there yet in old city and then did a bunch of stuff to the garden garden is alive and thriving we're starting to get some uh blossoming fruits in there if you will yeah some tomatoes i thought you were just doing some oh yeah tomatoes oh no it's Dude, I got tomatoes, I got raspberries, I got strawberries. We actually made dinner last night, ate out on the patio, lovely evening. I got fresh bib lettuce and romaine lettuce and spinach from my garden tomato salad.

Yeah, I'm just a homesteader. Wow. Just call me a home steely. That is lovely. I know, it was. It was a light food. That's very nice. I'm going to have to steal some fruit.

Now, that's pesticide free, right? Oh, absolutely. Everything in steals gardens, pesticide free. Hell yeah. Wait, what does that mean? Nothing. I thought you're making a job. joke. No, that genuinely I haven't put

anything in there other than dirt. You did it in like a joky voice. You're like everything. It steals garden his pesticides. No, it was more of a matter fact voice. You're damn right. Damn right. Yeah. All right. But speaking of summer, we are here to discuss Summer House and I saw somebody post about Summerhouse

specifically and why it was so good this season compared especially to some of the recent Housewife franchises that have not been exceptional and some other shows because they are genuinely friends in trying to navigate friendships and relationships. It's not a bunch of co-workers trying to drum up drama. And I was like, that's kind of the nail on the head. You're seeing

genuine friendship with Jesse and West. You're seeing crazy relationship issues across the house. You're seeing people that actually hang out with each other versus a cast of people that are doing it for a paycheck. Yeah. And obviously, you know, you have the unfortunate timing of Carl and Lindsay's relationship crumbling and what's going on with Jesse. and then you get, obviously, the organic moments between West and Sierra and everybody talking about that. Everything's just hitting at the right time. And honestly, we saw that happen with Southern Charm, too. Oh, yeah, good time.

Everything's just hitting at the right time. Now, obviously, there's a lot of unfortunate things happening there. But you're starting to see these other shows, whether it's VPR, now VPR is kind of falling apart. But the reunions have been really good. They have. You're starting to see these other shows, non-housewife-centric shows sort of take over. Those are, like, the real ratings getters, if you will, for Bravo right now. where everybody's tuning in for these shows,

not the Housewives because people are getting really tired of that. So Bravo does, you know, they're doing a good job of making sure they're cultivating those shows, but they have to figure out the Housewives because those are the real moneymakers. Yeah, I mean, that's the staple, right? That's what built Bravo and made it into what it is. Salt Lake was good, but...

Salt Lake was amazing, but that was also lightning in a bottle because of Monica. You're not going to get that across the board. So I'm curious. And I know, you know, some of our haters like to say, you guys always say cancel the show, this and that. It's like not really. We just say they need to shake it up, and they are approving that because they're recasting,

rebooting, they're doing a lot of crazy things across the board in the Housewives world. So I agree. I'm curious where the non-housewives shows rank as far as ratings go. Are they doing better? People are still, they're not, I don't know. I know this season of Summer House is their highest rated of all time. Yeah, I know that. But I still don't think it's doing the numbers that, like, Beverly Hills or Jersey is doing.

I don't think so. I think Jersey is outshining a lot. lot of the other housewife shows but as far as jersey like the real mainstays jersey oc beverly hills they're still untouchable well it's crazy to me that a show like miami which was great it is great that does not do as well then a beverly hills or a jersey just because it's beverly hills and yeah and miami is so much better significantly better so that's a bummer i hope more people start watching Miami. That, to me, if Salt Lake can pick up where it left off and continue to be that entertaining, which I, given the season before, I don't know. I was talking about Salt Lake

this weekend for some reason. I don't remember why. But I don't really understand why you're not bringing Monica back. That's, I don't need, I think. You get rid of her, I guess, because everybody's refusing to film with her, but that's going to make good TV if you're going to force them to hang out with her. But that's the thing. I think that they were all immovable in saying, we're not Which is dumb by them, yeah. It's dumb, and it makes no sense. You guys were fine to kick it with fucking Jen who was defrauding the elderly out of money. That wasn't a problem because it was alleged, but this woman spreading rumors and also some truths across the internet, that's the problem?

Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And I don't understand how you can be somebody like Heather or Meredith or Lisa and say, yeah, no, we don't even want to film with her. You have to realize if this is your main paycheck, if this is what you're, obviously some of them, it's not. But if this is what your main thing is going to be, don't you want it to be the best that it could be and just live for like three months a little uncomfortable and then not have to deal with Monica in the off season? Like that that makes sense to me. And also understanding that Monica was what you needed. Yeah. It was like that was one of the best housewife seasons ever.

It was incredible with the biggest payoff that we've ever had at the end where you're like, holy shit, they put it all together. That doesn't happen often. No, that never happens, actually. They did it. And then you want to get rid of it. the person that made that possible. But you want to still be friends with Jen Shaw throughout the season previously. Right.

Why? Are you afraid of Jen Shaw? I'm not afraid of Monica? Is that what it is? I think that is the answer. Yeah. I don't know how we got into Salt Lake, but yeah. Yeah, let's get back to Summer House.

Let's get back to Summer House. And let's jump right into this episode. And once again, great episode, not as much going on this episode. It's a lot of picked up storylines where we left off from before. But that's the thing that has setting this season apart from other shows, I think, is that even with the continued discussions of the same topic, there's new levels to it, new nuances that we're reading into. So it's never boring. We actually want them to continue talking so we can figure out what the fuck's going on. But we start out at the Don launch party.

Danielle finally launched her app. It's called Don. She explains what Don means. This app sounds pretty sick. going to like. If it works, I was actually talking about this. If it works, it sounds really cool. It does. I just don't know how it works. I don't need. We need to download it definitely and figure it out. But like, put all my clothes in there and then it'll tell me what's the wearer. Put together your outfits. Like, that's sick. I guess you probably have to pay some sort of

consultancy fee maybe. Like maybe it's a membership, like a $5 a month thing. And you have people in real time will look and be like, uh, this will go with this. This will go with this. Here's your week. Yeah. And that would be great. That makes sense. Yeah. Like if they can do that successfully and it looks good, like, that would save me. I don't spend like countless hours on outfits, but I definitely take the time to make sure, like, I'm cohesive. I feel like you would get a warning. Maybe like too many cutoff t-shirts. Knock it off. Too many self-tailored items. Cut off pants, cut off shirts. What's the matter with you? Starts giving you, like, recommendations of things to buy and you're like, that's not what this is for. Buy this. That's got

sleeves on it. We know. But we get a Chris citing. I wish they bring Chris back. I think he's just so funny to me. Chris Anna Sam citing, which again, still not sure why Sam's not on the show. It had to be because she was with Corey and they didn't want another relationship in the house. Maybe. That's the only thing I can think of because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I thought. That's what I thought. Yeah, I don't know. Who knows. But Jesse and West arrived and we get kind of an anticlimactic moment in finding out that Jesse is cancer free, which fuck yeah, it's amazing.

But I felt so bad for him. This poor guy, could you imagine? We talked about this last week, and I'm like, wait, an app just tells you? No, the portal, that's legit. That's real. I get that. I understand that. But if you're going to send test results and you don't know what it means,

you want to be able to talk to a doctor right away. And it's the thing. The doctor calls you the next day to go over the results. My man was left on red. He had to call them. And they were like, oh, yeah, you're good. Just a calcium deposit. Oh, my God.

That would be awful. I would be so, I mean, obviously. Obviously, with the news, you're not going to be that mad, but I agree. It would be a little frustrating. But the bottom line, Jesse's cancer-free, fuck yeah, dude, that's really exciting. But Carl and Lindsay arrive, and they are still in the same place they were. Lindsay's walking around on eggshells. We find out later that Carl's been sleeping in a different room.

Things are not good at all. So it begins. This is the doubtfall. I know obviously we've been talking about looking out for the signs. This is the official beginning of the downfall. Correct. Correct. And we get a page and Craig check-in that I'm not going to waste my time with

because we're just going to move on from it because we know where they stand. But we get to West and Jesse and Gabby, and they're talking about West and Sierra's relationship. Gabby just asks West, are you afraid to commit? And you get crickets from them. Now, before we move forward from this, from a dude standpoint, what do you think West wants? I think the best that I can come up with,

he realizes he really likes Sierra but and this is a big butt he's now on a reality TV show and there's going to be a lot of opportunities for him so I think he's like I don't know what this is going to look like do I really want to settle down right now with a girl that I just met this summer

okay fair enough but I will counter with this I don't disagree with you but just to keep the conversation going he worked for Bleacher Report is that right yeah which is a fairly it's not like he's not having exposures there to the party scene and opportunities and things like that because that was kind of

a pseudo cross between sports and celebrity where it's like you kind of get both similar to complex I think complex is a little bit more yeah but you're still in like a pretty cool scene so it's not like he's brand new to this no it's not I just I'm trying to wrap my head around it because I mean we get so many weird answers from him where he doesn't know actually okay I take that back immediately because he just had a feature in the New York Times about being the number one guy in the group. So he never at that level and bleak. Okay, all right, yeah, yeah.

You could totally be right. That would actually make a lot of sense. But I think he's not going to say that. That's my problem, I guess. I think that's what he's thinking, but maybe he doesn't even realize that's what he's thinking. He's probably just a little hesitant to do it. Yeah, he doesn't want to come off the wrong way.

Yeah, and like his definition of what happened is I tried to have a conversation with her to define it and ended up just fumbling completely, which is exactly what he did. I don't think that conversation was a let's define this as you're my girlfriend. It was a, things are going really well.

I would have you meet my parents tomorrow if it came down to it. But we're not having sex. So I think until they have sex, I think then maybe you would think differently about it. But I think his reservation right now is we're not having sex,

so do I need to define it? I think that's pretty clear what his, where he stands with it. I don't know. It's confusing, honestly. But moving on from there,

Kyle and Amanda head to Kyle's dad's 80th birthday party and they're still talking about lover boy and the fact that Amanda's full time and then we get a cut to Amanda in the confessional where she did not necessarily sign up for the entrepreneur lifestyle and it was actually interesting to hear or say like this is not what I envisioned married life to be and I don't know you know I just saw a post with them for they're doing something for Walmart and lover boy so they're still doing fine for whatever the goldfish ads what the fuck's up with that oh the old ones? Yeah. Where they're all together? Yeah. I don't know. I saw 50 different reels and videos and pictures of like Carl, Kyle, Amanda, just eating

goldfish. And I'm like, what is going on? Yeah, I don't know. Why are we doing this? Because they're sponsored by goldfish. Yeah, I understand that part of it. That's it. Yeah.

That's the extent of it. It's not much deeper than that. I just thought that there was way too many posts. Okay. Well, if goldfish paid us X amount of money to post a thousand times, we would post a thousand and one to keep them happy. Correct. We absolutely would.

And I'd be happy for us. I'm not happy for them. Oh, okay. That's weird. Also, it was mostly just because there was weird pictures of Carl. It looks like you got some sort of teeth put in or something. I don't know what the fuck's going on. He's had his new veneers all season.

I know, but like they look different now. Extra. It's like they got really white. Yeah. Everyone's doing the veneer thing. That's like the first step in, I feel like when you become a reality TV stuff now is, all right, well, we got to get veneers. And then you move on from there. I wish the people would talk, like people should be more.

more like Jen Fessler and talk about it. Just be like, yeah, I'm on a housewife show. Like, of course I'm going to get all this shit done. Just be open about it. Yeah, when she got all that work done after the last season at the reunion, right? I'm excited. Yeah. Like, yeah, of course I got this shit done.

I'm on TV. It's like, thank you. At least open and honest about it. Yeah, that's all I really want. Yeah, we don't care. We understand that a lot of people do it. That's what the funniest thing to me with like plastic surgery and like facial augmentation surgeries and things like that.

I love when people call people out for like, oh, her nose job. This and that's like, everybody does this. Yeah. So why do we point fingers? Like, yeah, obviously there's some extenuating circumstances where it's like an unfortunate one. Sometimes the nose job's not good. Yeah. But the fact that people are like, oh, she got a nose job, it's like so did millions of other people.

So why are we hooked on that? But that's a different podcast for a different day. But we move on and we get to the summer house itself and we get a quick cut to page. And she says, Craig wants me to need him. And I don't. So sometimes I. just kind of play along like I need him now I don't have an issue with that because I appreciate that page a strong independent she doesn't need no man fuck yeah she does her own thing paves her own way

that's an incredible thing from a relationship standpoint it makes it seem sometimes not because she wants to be independent that has nothing to do with it but just her overall demeanor when it comes to talking about Craig specifically and what Craig wants a needs it comes off as she doesn't really need him, not like to function, but like in a relationship where it's like if he was to go, it's like, me, whatever. Sometimes she completely contradicts herself too. Like last week when she's going through the astrological thing and she's talking about, will I get engaged this year?

Will my boyfriend move to New York? She really wants those things and then she has other confessionals or conversations with Amanda or whoever where it just seems like she's disinterested in it. Like she just doesn't care what Craig's going to do. She only cares about what she's going to do. And if Craig can fall in line with that, great. If not, I don't need them. Like, it's just a really weird, like, watching her battle between these two things,

because I don't know what she wants. It could just be an interpersonal struggle where she's trying to find a way forward for them, which might be them ending up in Connecticut or Long Island or New Jersey or whatever she said. It's not for anybody to say where they should move. Yeah. Who should move for who. It's such a difficult discussion that they still can't figure out the right move to make. Yeah.

I just don't think that she, she's putting a lot of pressure. pressure on this. Yeah, obviously, I would love him to move in New York, which in a normal relationship, sure, I get that. You can live in New York for a little while. Then once you have kids, you move to the suburbs. That makes sense. Kyle and Amanda, maybe start listening to this, but when it comes down to what Craig's doing, Craig's doing the sewing down south thing, and he's on Southern Charm. Both are in Charleston. He has to be down there. He just bought a house. I get that. Maybe you run out. You do whatever after renovations, sure. But you have to be in Charleston. So, like, he can't live in New York, so stop talking about that.

It's very confused. I don't know what they're going to do. I really don't. I never had doubts about them until this season. Yeah. It's the first time I'm like, I don't know if they're able to find it. I just come to a head with her. Like, yeah, I don't know. And I think it would be an amical break.

I would be sad to see it, though, because I like them together. I think they're great together. I just want them to be okay. Yeah. And I don't know if they can. And then we'll be okay. Yeah.

But moving on, we get to Jesse's cancer-free party. Five years cancer-free. Again, fuck yeah, that's amazing. And he regales us with a song. Great song. What would Jesse Solomon do? And I forgot that he's got those.

pipes he's got those pipes and honestly and i i'd already seen the clip before i watched the episode so i knew that it wasn't that bad but if i had watched this and didn't know it was coming i would have not liked it in the beginning and then i probably would have warmed up to it you would have gotten i get uncomfortable with people like when we talk about like martha's vineyard and we've got like alex singing to people he has a really great voice and everything for sure i would get uncomfortable let's dive into this a little bit no why does it make you uncomfortable it also anybody that rap, sings, performs pretty much.

No, you know what I could do, actually, which is weird. If somebody's really good at playing piano, I would listen to them play piano. That's different. Why is it different? Because it's not vocal. Yeah, no, the vocal I can't deal with it. It makes me uncomfortable. I want to know why. It makes me uncomfortable. That's great.

Why? I feel like you're not respecting my feelings, man. Oh, don't even gas at me right now. I'm just asking you. Give me a specific reason. I don't know. I have no idea why. It just makes me uncomfortable. Are you jealous? Nope. Because you can't do that? No, I'm like, shut up. Let's go back to our conversation.

You don't want to be like... I think it's just a big look at me moment. Like, if I'm going somewhere and I know that it's happening, okay, great. If somebody just starts busting out into song and they make me listen to it in the middle of a party that I did not sign up for, then yeah, go away. What if it's a five-year cancer-free party in the person that just found out their cancer-free decides to sing a song to rest of the party? I'm talking about the guy who stands up at the middle of a party that's not theirs. And they're like, just good of singing a song for you guys. How many of those have you been to?

A couple. Wait, really? Yeah. Have you never been at, like, a high school party when someone whips out a guitar and starts singing? No. No. It's awful. We're at the same parties.

Well, I was at different parties. We would have... Oh, you're so sick, bro. You're so fucking... I had a lot of friends, all right? Oh, you're the coolest guy. I would, I would find the tomatoes. I would go out into your garden, I'd find tomatoes, and I'd throw them in the first of

those are for. Those are not for throwing at people. They can be. Yeah, if you want to get banned from the garden. If you have any tomatoes that spoil, give them to me so I can throw them at people. Okay, fine. All right? But you have to throw it at somebody then.

Fine. Or else you're being wasteful. Fine. All right, cool. Good. Great. Great. Awesome.

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See the Tim's app for details at participating in restaurants in Canada for a limited time. We get a somewhat split conversation. We get Jesse West and Kyle versus Paige, Sierra, and Amanda, and they're going through the Sierra west date and to west credit he does recognize yeah i fumbled the combo yeah like badly because he went to say where do we stand where is this going this is what i'm feeling and it came out i'm really into you but and there's a lot of butts a lot of butts yeah so that was his issue on the other side of things this is the not problem because it's not a problem but this is what sierra does and what her guard is up for and i think it is a lot of residuals from the austin thing because she was so embarrassed

and rightfully so you should feel that way that's totally also the weirdos calling her out on the street yeah shit like that so fucking dumb but she's now getting nervous and like she's saying in the moment when she talked to west and he said yeah i'm still texting girls she didn't seem to have a problem with it right now she does she's thinking about it yeah about it more understandable And then she says, you know, he's just a big jokester. He doesn't take anything seriously. Amanda throwing in there. And the biggest joke of all is you.

But I'm funny? She took it 100% serious. Now she's like really second-guessing. What am I doing here? Is this going anywhere? And I think between these two, one of the bigger problems is even though they had that conversation, what did they actually say? Nothing.

Nothing. They just, I think that they establish the fact that they don't know what they want. Right. That's what they established. Instead of saying, here's what I want. Yeah. And, like, that's really funny, too, because that's what I think West's intention was. And he's told us that a couple different times.

Jesus, my voice is cracking. He's told us that a couple different times. What's going on with you? I don't know. Puberty number two. 32. Yeah. What if I start growing?

Like, what if I, like, I'm 6'5 next week? Go play basketball or something. I know. I should. You have eligibility in college, right? I do still have eligibility in college. Let's get you into an NIA school and see what happens. Yeah.

True. Shooter by name, shoot her by nature. That's what I'm talking about. But no, I think the West has told us a bunch of different times. This is what my plan was to try to establish some sort of footing here to figure out what we want to do moving forward. And he didn't. No, he didn't at all. He's acknowledging the fact that he didn't because he just couldn't.

I have a problem with the facts that, like, he is exhibiting fuckboy behavior. Like, at the end of the day, that is what he's doing. He is one. He definitely is one. He's just a nice fuck boy. Look, I think there needs to be a distinction. between like a mean fuck boys like Austin yes is a bad fuck boy jesse and west are not yes although i think jesse might be a better fuck boy than than west is definitely is because he's up front about it and

talking about it that's my point that's where west is kind not losing me at all but dev said something interesting earlier where it's like i wonder if west will continue to just be you know on the top where he's not going to have one of those seasons where people are like oh fuck this guy yeah i don't think he he will but he has the chance to if he is exhibiting fuck yeah i don't think he's doing it intentionally is i don't either it's not trying to be really like sierra and i do think that if they were having sex i think this would be a completely different story but they're not and that's where the fuck boy behavior comes in because i don't understand the guy who can on weekends every single weekend go in and sleep with sierra

and not have like hello talking shit and then still be texting other girls like that that that doesn't make much sense to me same mentality like early on when they brought it up that he was still texting girls I was like all right well they're not they haven't labeled it they're not having sex like there's certain things where all right it's not official but he's doing boyfriend stuff

the more they're in bed cuddling and like having pillow talk and meeting all of his friends like really excited to meet all my and like saying that you want to like introduce her to your family at Thanksgiving but then you're still texting other girls like that is fuck boy behavior it gets a little muddy yeah it's a little muddy

and I love West we love West a lot I just want him to not do that yeah i just think pick a lane you know if look here's the thing if you flat out in that conversation went into sierra and said look i'm nervous i'm not sure where i want this to go but i want to take an official step forward in some way shape or form what does that look like to you what would be the next steps and say hey i'm not talking to other girls yep let's see what happens i think sierra would have that conversation i do too she doesn't want to start the conversation but if west starts it that way she'll have that conversation with them it's just tough because at some point something's got to give and if this continues and Sierra starts

you know to feel more and more for him or like do other things if he's still not committing and he's still texting other girls and he's still not doing anything with you then you just have to move on like you can't do this forever no it's just I don't know I guess we'll see at the reunion more or less where they stand where they went what they did all that stuff but but the end of the summer party is West's party and I love Yeah, a little Mad Max. Doomsday party, Mad Max, post-apocalyptic. Hell yeah.

That's right up by alley. That shit was awesome. Yep. And he put his neck, his back, his pussy, and his crack into this party. Love a good neck reference there. That was funny. But before we get to the party, we get a quick conversation between Kyle and Carl. As we know, Kyle has extended an offer for Carl to rejoin lover boy in more of like a 1099 consulting fashion.

Yep. And he lays out what that means. exactly. And for me, when I'm hearing this, I'm like, that's not a bad offer to get your foot back in the door. Obviously, it's not sustainable for a $14,000 apartment. For sure, yeah. But for a foot in the door to see if this is what you want to do, like $3,000 a month, $2,000 per appearance plus 10% of non-alcoholic sales once you get started. For a foot in the door, like, consultant guy, fine. I figured it out the best that I could. I'm like, you could be because I don't know what the NA stuff does really. like as far as sales go. I don't know if they're doing it for net income or total revenue or whatever they're figuring out right now. It's like you said, it's not sustainable.

It's not your number one job. But it at least gets you to start doing that. And you're still doing the like Instagram ads and stuff on the side. Like you can still do that because that takes no time at all. So that's not a bad place to start and at least have that conversation. Is it something to get overtly excited about? Probably not. But you can still figure out a way to navigate your friendship and still do.

this at the same time and it gives you a foothold somewhere with equity that you can move forward with so it's not a bad play no i thought it made sense to me and you know there was a conversation earlier where they were driving up and lindsay was like make sure you ask about the specifics and make sure like x y and z is mapped out whatever but i thought for an initial conversation hey this is what i'm thinking there's nothing on paper it's also they're taking a break from setting up a party where i don't know how much of that conversation we actually saw That too. Because the weird thing for me watching it was Carl's sitting there taking notes on his laptop.

That seems to be a pretty serious conversation. Like when Kyle brings up 10% of sales, first question should be, okay, like monthly, what are we looking at? Like, how much does that do? And like, I know that you haven't launched it, but you have to have projections for something like this. Anytime that you're going to expand a business or do whatever as far as like a product line goes, you have some sort of projections. But for me, in this moment is not the time to go over projections. It's like, hey, this is the run of the mill what we're doing. And then let's meet in the city this week and we'll break it down more.

Yeah. That's what I figured. I think so I agree with you. I don't think this is the time to do it because you're setting up a party and you're only going to have a quick conversation. But Kyle went into it with actual numbers. He did. So if you're going to give me numbers, I'm going to ask more questions. And I think that when we see Kyle or Carl and Lindsay talk, that's where I understand where Lindsay's coming from where it's like, okay, Kyle just sat down and he gave you this number, this number, this number, and you didn't ask follow up questions.

that's the problem. Yeah, and I can agree with that. We'll talk about it in a sec, because there's a quick cut to Jesse and West, and I just want to keep shouting out Jesse for his moments this episode because I can't imagine how amazing it feels to beat cancer again. So he's just saying, you know, I'm finally out of this circuit of,

and like worried about falling back into where I feel like shit every day and you're constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop. And now, like, nothing can stop me. Like, I'm fucking living and I'm ready to go. It's a cool moment, and their friendship, Jesse and West's friendship, is like my favorite thing. It's so nice. Yeah, it's like me and you, really, but it just, it was a cool scene to watch. But this is where we get to Lindsay and Carl about the lover boy update as to what was said.

And I'm more down the middle of this one because I get 100% why Lindsay's asking the question she's asking, every right to do so. you want to know more you also told him beforehand hey make sure you get all this info I was but while she's asking questions I think there could have been one moment where she's like oh that's great and then continue to ask questions yeah the continuous line of questioning with no reprieve is where I could see Carl getting frustrated about it I don't think that she was being malicious I also understand this has been a year long plus process of this same conversation. I'm sure like, oh, that's cool.

Like, what's happening next? What's happening next? How are you going to make this work? So if you factor in the frustration levels at this point in this career search, totally get where she's coming from. Yeah. Wow, not at one point. Have you said, like, oh, great, there's some movement.

That would be a little frustrating. Yeah. So, like, I can see both sides of this one. I'm not picking a team here. What are your thoughts? I mean, I get it. It's, it boiled over and it got to a point where I, I just think that any conversation that they're having about anything turns into a fight

because that's where their relationship is and that's where it's gotten to. I kind of already showed my hand a little bit as to where I'm leaning because they did have the conversation on the way up. Like, okay, if he's going to give you this, then you need to make sure that you try to clarify as much as possible. And I think that Carl wasn't doing a good job. And look, maybe he was just frustrated in trying not to get into a fight with her. But Carl did not do a good job of prefacing the conversation by saying, look, we just

went over a couple of things. I asked a couple of questions. I'm not really sure, but I do have an idea of where I stand and what I can do. And then this week, we're going to sit down and have a much more in-depth conversation about it. And I'd love to pick your brain about it. That's how you do that. That would have been very nice. That's how you do that. I'd love to sit down with you. Obviously, not right now because we're about to go party. We're setting up for a party. But I took notes. I want to sit down with you and go through everything and see where we stand. And then I can go into the next meeting with a better idea of what I want to attack. Okay. That's how you do that. You don't do what Carl did. Carl seemed very matter of fact. Very matter of fact. And not like, he just never said once, like, look, this was just a quick conversation about where we stand. I think he was like, here, this is what Kyle said. And obviously, Lindsay's going to be like, okay, did you ask a follow-up question?

And the fact that he didn't on any of those is frustrating. And I think that it would be less frustrating if this probably wasn't how their entire year is gone, where he gets some kind of prospect. she questions things he doesn't have all the answers fast forward nothing comes from it so i'm sure she's stuck in this endless loop of here we go again yep where you're right had he prefaced it with hey this was like an early convo just to give me the basics i have more questions for him we're going to talk about this week in new york you're right that avoids and you and again like the i think the biggest thing with the two of them is they don't include each other in those conversations because I think, one, Carl's afraid to include Lindsay on it because she'll just steamroll it.

And that's Lindsay's personality. And, like, I keep going back to that where Carl's, like, I want you to change and I want you to do this and that. And, like, I thought you could be softer. Like, Lindsay's never been like that. You've known her for how long. That's not who she is. This is who she is. And this is how you try to get into that.

And this is how you try to bridge that gap. You ask her questions. What do you think about this? How would you go about this? Try to break it down for me in a non, like, toxic or, like, a terrible way. just say, look, this is where I'm thinking. What are you thinking about it? And then you include her in the conversation.

I think that's really all she wants is to be included in the conversation. Obviously, there's a level of frustration because you've gone this entire year, not knowing what you're going to do for your career, which is very frustrating for a partner who's looking towards the future saying, where are we going to make money? If you're not going to do anything and this is going to take you this long to figure something out and I get it and I'm trying to be supportive, but I can't be, to a certain extent. So I don't know. I think he should have just included her and tried to get her in on the conversation.

instead of just saying it's not that big of a deal. We're not going to do any of this. I don't know. I think that's a very pragmatic way to look at it. But we get to the party itself. We get a Joey Loon sighting. Balloon Guy Joe is back. Back and better than ever.

Back? I don't know about better than ever. But at least he came somewhat on theme, I think. He's wearing a T-shirt and a hat. Yeah, but he had like there was a cut in this shirt. It looked like he tried something. No, no. I don't know.

He wears that shirt out on Saturday nights. Yeah, I think so. It is not a dude. Definitely the same pair of jeans, too. Yeah, he didn't try. That's just, that's one of those shirts that you pay like $200 for because it looks used. You're right. It's like a Belizeaga, like stupid fucking shoe that they make where they look like they've been through a garbage disposal.

Yeah, it's $2,000. Yeah, thrown in the lawnmower, yeah. No, thanks. But this is where it's confusing. Once again, you get Sierra and West. West invited a bunch of his buddies from Raleigh, I believe. Missouri and New York and. Charlotte, I thought.

I thought the one do was from Raleigh. Oh, maybe he was, yeah. From the Carolinas. Yeah. So he invites his friends. This is a grown-up approach. I want to see how she mixes with my life.

Because we've been sequestered to this house pretty much as our, quote-unquote, dating zone. A little bit in the city, but that's still summer house-centric. Like, here's some of my peeps. How do you vibe with them? And can you sit down and watch football for eight to ten hours? Yes. And, like, grind through it, which is important. That's very important to us, guys.

It is. And you know what? Dev loves Eagles football. She'll sit there and watch sports with me, and I love her for it. I watch Bravo with her. This is what I'm saying to all the dudes out there. They watch sports with us. A little give and take. Yeah. And watch what happens. You're going to start watching Bravo to be, you're going to start watching Bravo to be supportive. Next thing you know, you're going to fall down the rabbit hole and start a podcast. Start listening to our podcast. Or start your, I'm still waiting for the next installment of who's going to, if there's going to be a copycat. podcast of the podcast. Yeah, I think there was a copycat podcast at one point in time, but they didn't do that well. Did they? Yeah. What was it? I don't remember. I remember like early on, like a couple of months into us doing it. There was another one that popped up. And they were from New York or something, maybe too. And it just, it wasn't good. And I wasn't just saying that because they copied us. It just

wasn't good. Really? I didn't know that. Why didn't you tell me that? I definitely told you that. You just don't remember. No, I don't remember anything ever. That's true. Yeah, it's a problem. But, uh, anywho, Lindsay has a quick talk with Sierra in the kitchen. And this is what I do enjoy about this season. You've seen a lot of bridges mended between people. Yeah. So where we wouldn't have had this moment. And we've had this across the board throughout the season with Lindsay able to talk to the ladies in the house about her situation.

In the past, she really has had like one ally. Yeah. Like a Danielle or some of the guys. She hasn't been ingrained in the group. with the women in the house. So it's nice to see her have an outlet to talk about this stuff. It's also good because this whole cast

has been a party to both sides. And all of them are playing fairly neutral. I think they lean more towards Lindsay's side because they're starting to empathize with her and be like, yeah, we're seeing what's happening. It's not great. They also saw the shit in the beginning of the summer. It's not great.

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Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty. Paige flat out says that with Amanda, like, in a little bit. She's like, they shouldn't get married. I'm supportive of both of them. If I had to make a decision on whether they should get married, I don't think they should. They should. And that's why I said that this is the official. And obviously, you know, we're talking about Lindsay and Carl, but we're talking about the rest of the house.

I think this is the official start of it. I do too. Where, yes, again, we've talked about all of the things that have gone into it because we've known this entire time that they don't get married. But this is when the rest of the house, instead of looking to solve problems, and even with, uh, Carl and Lindsay talking to each other, they're not looking to solve anything. They're just trying to individually be their own person and stand on their ground. It's nice. It's, yeah, but the rest of the crew, the rest of the house is looking at it like,

uh, yeah, I don't think this is going to work for two months from now. They're getting married, no chance. Oh, that's, I meant it was nice that everyone else is like standing it. No, yeah, you are right. They were letting a play out. And again, this is what Page and Amanda were talking about where, and Sierra to an extent. I'm watching all of this happen. Like, we're seeing it happen.

We're trying to figure out what's going on. You're actually seeing Lindsay get closer to the girls because she's confiding in them, which is way different than what we've seen in the past from Lindsay. She feels comfortable talking to them because she needs to talk to somebody. There's a lot going on. So we're starting to see the rest of the house, see it for what it is. Like, this is not a good relationship? No.

And Lindsay asked Sierra, you know, what I can't ask about his career? Like, what am I supposed to do? And Sierra says, is Carl ready to get married? She goes, yes, but he's not ready to be an adult. Then he's not ready to get married. Right. like I would say that's the most adult thing you're going to do is you're almost 40 and or you are 40 you're not an adult yet yeah so that sentence alone should put up a red flag and Lindsay said we're too I see the disconnect here but she lays it out where she's like look I'm not going to be a mute that's not who I am and that plays into the conversation that happens right after this and we'll just jump right into that because Lindsay sits down with Carl says I don't want to do what we always do let's just hash this out all I'm doing is asking questions so I can help you figure out out what you want to do his response sometimes i need less strong arm and more sensitivity i need you

to be more soft and tender yep she gets offended by the softer word which after hearing it so many times i can understand why you're asking her to be somebody she's not and the the biggest thing i can take away from this you talked about it earlier i wanted to save it for this moment these two are not meant to be together you want her to do something she is incapable of doing and you know that You guys were friends before you dated. You dated, became friends again, dated again, got engaged. You know who she is. She is going to be the one that's kicking you in the ass and saying, what the fuck's going on?

Are you getting your shit done, especially when you've been dragging your feet for here? That's who she is. On the flip side, Carl needs a partner that is going to cuddle him a little bit and be like, hey, it's all good. We're figuring it out. I love you. Here's a hug. Neither are incorrect. Neither's wrong.

They're just different people. They're different people. And that's the thing that you figure. out when you're dating. Like you try to give dating a shot and say, okay, it's almost like they have this packed. You know how people talk about packs like when you're friends? If we're still single when we're 35, we get married.

Yeah. Like that's pretty much what happens here. Carl went through a lot of different shit. He got sober. Lindsay was going through a different boyfriend every, pretty much every summer we saw a different guy. None of it really worked out. We saw Lindsay last year.

She was a bit of a mess before or maybe it was two years ago when she hooked up with Austin. I don't even remember anymore. Oh, God. That was like that was, she was a bit of a mess. and she had her own summer. Lindsay Summer, yeah. It was a summer of hubs, and now they tried to date, they tried to figure it out,

and they instead of realizing, oh, shit, like, she's not going to change for me. She's not going to be the person that I needed her to be. Same with Lindsay. You can look at it that way and say, Carl's not going to be the person that I want. I want somebody with drive. That's what turns me on. Carl's never had that. We've seen him go through so many different jobs career-wise,

and he never really figures it out. He's still trying to figure his way through life. That's who Carl is. And I think both of them should have figured that out. while dating instead they're like well maybe it'll change when we get engaged maybe it'll change when we get married and it's not going to yeah they're doing that formula of big life decisions make things different yeah no it's just now it's legal yep and you still have the same problems and then you have a kid oh the kid'll fix it kid makes it worse it makes it worse and it's a whole

mess and that's all i can surmise from this and obviously in the past i don't know four four or five weeks you've definitely seen Lindsay getting dragged more by Carl, vice versa, and the beginning of the season, you saw the opposite. So for me, I'm still trying to ride the neutral line here. It simply comes down to

does Carl treat Lindsay great? No, we're watching it happen. It's not okay. Yeah. He talks to her is not great, not great. Period. Beginning of the season, fucking awful. Yep. Not great. They just do not belong together. You can hate Carl if you want, you can hate Lindsay if you want. the end of the day, these two should never have gotten this far into a relationship.

And I think that what it comes down to when you really break it down, on one side you have Lindsay, who all she wants is to get married, have a family, move forward with her life. She's made that clear for a while. She had a timeline before where I need to X, Y, and Z by this date. Yep. On the other side, you have Carl who is trying to find his footing as a grownup. And I think that for him, maybe this was a step forward in his mind where it's like, oh, grownups get married, I'm going to force this marriage, we're going to get married so I can

take another step forward without really discussing the actual details and personalities of the two people involved. It's like, let's force this shit to make it happen for our both, our individual wants and needs that do not coincide with one another. Which is actually kind of funny because that would work with certain people and certain personalities. The way that both of them are and their individual personalities, that doesn't work for either of them. No. It's you cannot force something like this on somebody like Lindsay or on somebody like Carl. And they're both trying to force something to make it work and it just doesn't work. So we're seeing, again, this is the official of the down, this is the official start of the downfall.

And we're starting to see the rest of the house kind of take notice. So, I mean, we find out next week, that's when they pick cameras back up. So we'll figure it out. Oh, shit, that's right. Yeah, because that was the last episode, quote unquote, because it's the last party of the summer. And then we'll get a three-part reunion, probably. We definitely will. And, yeah, I mean, it's going to be interesting to see a check out.

Like I said, I totally understand Lindsay's frustrations. I think they're founded. Yeah. So, look, I think we're going to get, and this is one of those reunions that I'm actually really looking forward to because we're going to get a lot of questions answered because there's so much time in between because they just, like, they just dropped the reunion looks what last week. Yep. So, you know, they filmed the reunion a couple of weeks ago. We've had some time to think about it. The next summer is almost upon us right now.

It's Memorial Day weekend. So we've had a lot of time to figure out what the hell's going on. we get answers about West and Sierra, we get answers about Kyle and Amanda, probably, even though they don't really give us answers ever. And then obviously we have the Carl and Lindsay of it all. So I'm looking forward to that reunion, but let's see how this next episode plays out, because this entire season has been very funny in the sense that we kept saying there's no blindsiding happening. There's no blindsiding happening.

It's starting to look like a potential blindside. So, yeah, I think I think. For Lindsay, yeah, I think Carl's mind's been made up. Like, what is what is going on right now? He's sleeping in a different room. He's sleeping in a different room, but I do think that in her mind it's a blind side because of all the things that we just talked about,

she's going through the motions trying to just force it to happen and the fact that Carl was trying to force it to happen and now all of a sudden he's not, I think she's going to be like, what the fuck happened? I agreed with the blindside thing when you see Carl having conversations

with other people that are very different than the ones he has with her. And that's been his issue, honestly, the entire season is for the most part, when Lindsay relays a conversation, Convo, it's fairly close to what actually happened. It is heightened a little bit.

When you see Carl do the same, it is night and day as to what actually happened. Yeah. And that's fucked. But I'm still, if that's the case and that's why she's blindsided because he's telling her one thing and telling other people a different thing, okay, fine. But I just can't wrap my head around it when it's like, he's sleeping in a different, where you get married in two months, he's sleeping in the room. And I'm not saying that we wouldn't be blind, like we would be able to read the things that are going on here. Okay. Lindsay's not.

I see what you. Lindsay is looking at this like, oh, yeah, we've argued about this a million different times. You need to figure it out and get it right. Because we're about to get married. You don't think that. And Carl's on the other end, like, okay, no, this isn't going to work. Like, I need to try to figure a way out of this before I essentially break it all. And then a blind side.

Yeah. Lindsay's like, we're working through this, right? We need to figure this out, right? We're getting married. Okay. And then this happens. So in her mind, there is no scenario in which they don't get married. Yes.

Okay. Okay, okay, all right. That's what I'm saying. But anyway, let's get some questions. Question Masters back. Me. I'm not acknowledging. Just read the question.

From Miranda E. 412, do you think some of the cash should get a spin-off in the city and they revamp the show? I don't think, ooh, don't revamp it. Yeah, no, I don't think you revamp it at all. We've talked about doing more things in the city so that we can get like a more all-encompassing show instead of just weekends. And they're starting to do that. We see some New York stuff. We see some other things during the week. But no, no.

revamping needed. I think more content is good. More content. If you had another show, if let's say West is single and you do Jesse and West in the city dating, I'm in. But no, don't touch the show. Yeah. Don't add anybody. Don't take anybody away. Run it back. I love this one. From Kelsey Lou Who, if Steele was forced to name him and Dev's baby after a Bravo celebrity, who would it be and why? Yeah, Dev. Dev. If we were going to name our baby after a Bravo Leve, who would you want to name her?

Luann? Is that your vote? We're live on the air right now. We're waiting until you respond. Yeah. What do you got? Ramona? What about Sierra?

Nope. I don't know. I can't name our baby. I don't know. Rina? Vinita? Vanita. I like that.

Oh, I like that. that good answer dev says vanita i'm gonna go with why don't you sit on it for a little bit i'll ask another question i'm gonna sit here and think about that one uh from c b mc one two four do you think carl was done with lindsay after she made the year on drugs comment is that the beginning of it that's definitely the beginning of it yeah i don't think that was the end all deal i think that i think it could be yeah it could have been i think that like this is in you know thinking about it from a logical standpoint. I think it's so hard

next to impossible to honestly and correctly infer as to what exactly happened by watching these two on the weekends alone. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Like, we don't hear anything. They don't talk about their week. No, at all. This is the first time that they've talked about their week with Carl sleeping in a different room. Yeah.

Like, there's got to be more of that going on during the week when they're alone. Especially with no cameras on, like what they're saying to one another. Like, it's just impossible. So we're basing this off of three days in the Hampton's when they might have had a good week a bad week and like, who the fuck knows? I do think that that was probably where it began,

like the downfall. Yep. From Dream Chasing B, why hasn't Carl just dumped Lindsay? She clearly can do nothing right, according to him. I think he's afraid. Yeah, I think he's afraid. I think that what happened was,

obviously, all of those comments in the beginning of the summer, I think he was at some point trying to just make it work and push and force it like we talked about. Then obviously there was a chance. where he's been doing this weird thing where he's almost trying to gaslight her and get her into a situation where she can blow up so that he can say,

look, we can't do this, we can't get married. And she's, for the most part, she hasn't really been taking the bait. I still don't think she's taking the bait right now. She hasn't taken the bait. She's just trying to talk about your career and it's not that big of an issue. You're making it a bigger issue

because you want to be coddled. I don't know. It's just, he should have dumped her as soon as he realized that or broke it off or had a real conversation with her and I think he's afraid. It needed to be a real conversation. and come from that what may

but that was the biggest flaw and that's where we've watched time in and time out and that's where he felt very short and that's where Lindsay got fucked in this whole thing is like yeah dude if you're able to have this convo time and time again with other people you need to have it with your fiance because you're about to get married

yep I agree we'll do one more here because we do need to talk about this from Kia L. Butler what do you guys think about the Kyle versus Craig Spritz issue oh that my whole thing thing with that. One, for a company you don't like, you sure gave them a lot of free advertising, Kyle. That was dumb. Two, you don't take investors. That's the whole thing. That's the issue with me

is Craig, so I read on the story, Craig wanted to invest. And he wants to put his money somewhere and he wants to help out. And Kyle said, look, we don't take private investors. Okay, I'm going to go invest with this other company because I do want to get involved with a spritz company, with a wine company, whatever, I'm going to go invest with this other company. And Kyle said, please don't do that. You have no control over someone else's money. He came to you first. Yeah. You don't take private investors. You wish them luck. You don't say, okay, like, yeah, we're going to have like a huge beef and I'm going to be upset about it. You just let him go do it. It's not that big of a deal. And for Kyle to do that, he's comments on watch about him live. Like, he's a big

baby about it. It's crazy. And especially if you're under the belief that this company is not one of your competitors, then what's the problem? There shouldn't be a problem. Non-compete, so there should be no issue there. And for Andy to set it up because he's a little shady sometimes. Of course. And say, well, people say Craig's a liar. Do you think Craig's a liar?

And Kyle's like, I mean, more or less, like if the shoe fits. But that's the thing is he said Craig came to me. Yeah, so what's the fucking problem? So he's not lying about anything. Yeah, and you just told you he's going to go somewhere else. That's very strange to me. I thought Kyle had it like shit. And again, if you don't like Spritz, you gave him.

them a lot of free time. Yep. A lot. People are talking about that way more than lover boy right now because of you. Yep. So not great. Unless he's a private investor of Spritz as well and just, hey, he's doing that. Yeah, playing both sides.

But that's all I got. You got any baby names for us? I like Benita. I think that's cool. That's a cool name. It is a cool name. Benita Russell. Ooh.

I like that. Yeah, it's got a good ring to it. Good call, Dev. She didn't hear me. She didn't hear you. But, uh, Yeah, other than that, I don't have anything else. You got anything else?

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