Bros & Shows - You Broke Our Hearts, West... (Part 1) (Summer House Reunion Recap Pt. 1)

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

What's up Bros? It is part one of the Summer House reunion and part 1 of our recap! In this episode we dive deeper into the break up with Lindsay and Carl. What is also important to note is it seems like a lot of the people in the house have somewhat changed their tune with Lindsay since the last episode... The day of the break up is rehashed and we find out that Carl called the cameras and they had a fight 45 minutes before they started filming that scene. We also discuss Kyle and Carl's relationship and how they were able to come back together over the summer as well as their current status at Loverboy. Andy asks about Kyle's involvement in Lindsay and Carl's relationship and from what we saw, he did a fairly good job of staying out of it for the most part. On a brighter note, the house was pretty solid all summer. The ladies were getting along with one another and we saw the dudes get along as well. They certainly made Summer fun again. Come on back for part 2 of our recap where we dive into the West and Ciara of it all, as well as the tension between Lindsay, Paige and Danielle. Introducing BravBros Members! Offering exclusive access, bonus episodes, monthly Q&A zoom and more! Use the link below to join! https://thebros.memberful.com/join Time Stamps: Intro (0-9:30) Summer House (9:30) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host. Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Summer House Magoutes. What's up, dude? This is a, let's just say this was much look forward to for the reunion and a hell of a season. And this reunion delivered, and boy am I a happy boy. Yeah, it sure did. It sure did.

It was an emotional reunion. There was a lot going on. We have a whole lot to discuss. We have quite arguably the biggest fall from grace that we have seen on Bravo. And I have a lot to say about that. The funniest is I saw some comments like, oh, like, I bet the bros are going to be like getting West back because they're tight with him. That's what they do. It's like, think again.

We have a lot to say on the topic. We've discussed it a little bit. But since I was in Texas for the last four days, we haven't had our usual, like we usually talk about things a little bit more leading. up to the podcast like we'll debrief a little bit but we haven't had a chance to do that so this is pretty raw yeah no we usually get ourselves a little powwow in there but you've been away uh i will say just as a little tidbit and by the way this is what we're going to do for finales and big reunions things like that we want to make sure we spend as much time as possible on these so we're splitting this one up as well we're going to cover everything from the beginning of the episode and

we're going to save the west and sierra talk for the end i know there's a little bit in the beginning. But we're going to save the majority of the West and Sierra talk for the end, as well as the page and Lindsay feud that we didn't even know about. So that stuff's going to be coming up in another episode. But this episode, we want to make sure that we get everything and make sure that we touch on everything. Because unlike a lot of reunions, this one was structured really well. You know how much we love a good structured reunion. What are you mean? What? See, this is the disconnect. You don't have to write it down. This was not. This was I thought it was structured.

I thought this was more structured than most. They kept the main thing, the main thing, and left it towards the end as far as like West and Sierra goes, did you see that? I just quoted Jalen Hertz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they kept like some of the bulk for the end, but in the beginning, I felt like every time Andy asked a question and got an answer, he was very quick to move on to somebody else. Like, oh, well, and what do you guys have been up to?

I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, I had a lot of pause and play moments. So this is the difference. This is what happens because I have to write it down. I tend to, well, you know what? I tend to disagree a little bit, but let's save that. And then we'll talk about it in a bit. I have one important thing to talk about because we need a little preamble here.

I need to stop getting non-athletic adult injuries because I don't know what the fuck's going on with me. But it seems like last weekend, my feet burned and I had swollen feet. That sucked. Two weeks ago, I had new shoes. And you know how you get like new shoes in the summer? And you don't like, I know Gen Z loves their tube socks or their crew socks or whatever, but we still wear ankle socks. We still wear no show socks.

When you get new shoes in the summer, they tend to just rub up against the back, right where your Achilles is. I had some injuries from that. And then on fucking Saturday, I went out to the bar to watch the Phillies game in London at like one o'clock. I was walking into the bar. The door swung behind me because Augusta Wynn picked up and captured my foot in the door, like in the crease and it cut open my Achilles just all it apart I have thoughts so let's hear when you refer to them as injuries it's as though you're equating them to a sports injury these are not injuries you have a bliss I said non athletic adult injuries I know no I understand that I get

that I'm saying you make it sound more unathletic than it is by saying it's an injury versus hey I got a little blistie on my tutsies because I got some new shoes. Like, that's what she had. And that's also, I hate to be this guy. But I am just getting off of a delayed frontier flight, which is my own fault for buying into it yet again and yet again being disappointed by Frontier. But that's another story for another day.

That's a you problem. The fact that you didn't break your shoes in beforehand and wear them a little bit to get ready for the summer. And especially you're not equating into, You got the humidity in the summer. So that means you got more moisture down there, which means that you're going to get extra blister. What do you want to do?

Pre-order shoes three months in advance and break them in with socks on before. No, you're going to sit here and complain about it. Yeah. I'm complaining to my bro. Look, oh, don't pull that card. Play it into my bro here. And then you whacked it in a door and you're blaming it on the wind.

That wasn't my phone. That was the wind. That was the wind. Be more aware of what? The wind. apparently the environment whatever i just need to i need to stop doing it because guess what we've got a live show this week up in boston it's live it might not really feel like it because you're doing a lot of traveling but we'll be up in boston this week and i'm going to have to walk a lot so i got

i got to make sure i'm in good shape you know yeah i this one it didn't sneak up because we've been ready for boston for a while but yeah my schedule's been a little wacky i was in texas poppy had her all-star tournament we made regionals we came in second but we made regional's uh she played amazing it was it's so much fun just to watch her and like seeing the jersey it says russell and she took number 13 which is my number uh when i opened up the jersey me being me of course i teared up couldn't help it but she is a rock star and then she wanted a guitar and wants to get guitar lessons and she's going to be taylor swift so very proud of her awesome weekend and yeah with all of that happening it's hard to believe boston is

four days away. Yep. I'm so excited for this show. I love Boston. That's actually where I got drafted. I was in Fenway Park when I got the call to go to the Orioles. So a lot of memories there, lots of history. What did you say?

Nothing. Whoa. Different type of draft. Yeah, no, no. But the point being, we're stoked for Boston. For those of you that are going that are listening to this, we will be recapping Summer House Reunion Part 2. We'll touch on some of part one.

The majority is going to be a full-blown recap similar to an episode of our second part of the reunion. So watch that on Thursday nights that you are ready and prepped and you will not be lost when we're talking about certain things. Other than that, just be ready to have a good time because we haven't been on stage in like a little over a month and we're both fiend in a little bit. We got to get back up there, get our fix, so to speak. Get the fix. But before we get into everything, the last thing I want to say is fuck Frontier. and the second to last thing I want to say is, dude, we get there. They had three flights going out of the same gate.

How does that happen? I show up and it says Atlanta. My flight's supposed to board in five minutes and it says I'm going to Atlanta. I thought we were doing this another time. I thought we were doing this another time. We were. And then, you know what? The frontier came back on my brain.

Atlanta's supposed to fly out of it. They're like, oh, if you're going to Atlanta, just sit over there for like two seconds. Philadelphia, get ready to board. By the way, Chicago Midway, you're moving. from E21 to E20, which was my gate. Three flights, one gate. There was 600 people there. We got delayed.

Then we get to Philly. We get to Philly. I spent $62 so I could sit in the very front of the plane to get off the plane quickly. Yeah. They didn't have the jetway ready. I sat at the gate for 30 minutes. And you know how much the Uber was from the Philadelphia International Airport to my home, which is a 25-minute drive? $125.25.

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I'm assuming so, yeah. I thought that was him just being like, you know, ha ha, like a playoff. on West. I guess. I don't know. Your name's Steele. So like is it that's it. It's not stealing.

Stealing. Even though everyone comes up with a different name for me. It's never Steve? No, Steel. Steve. Sure. And then I just say, okay, eventually because I get sick of arguing.

But I want to start it out. When Sierra walks in, West is locked in on her as she crosses the room. Like this man is still smitten. This is going to go down as the. great white buffalo and if you haven't seen the hot tub time machine you don't know what that is but it's the one that got away and i think that he's going to look back on this and be like oops really fumbled the bag but we'll go ahead i didn't i didn't really take it as a uh i miss sierra or maybe i fumbled the bag i took it as a oh man if she like smiles at me maybe i'll be okay i think

that he was worried that he was going to get skewered and he did and he will continue to but i think that's what he was doing i think he was worried and he was trying to see what kind of look she was going to shoot him so that he could gauge what kind of shit he was he was nervous dude he was sweating he was like he was hunched over like this like looking over just trying to figure out what was going on yeah no i think he was nervous you could tell from body language he didn't prep he he wasn't ready for this he walked into the tunnel and he was like feels like this is just like a tunnel for a big game later it's like yeah yeah do not yeah maybe not but let's start out and the first thing that we get into, I was actually surprised, and now I understand why they got into it early.

I didn't know that the West Sierra thing was going to be so polarizing. And another PSA for other Bravo shows out there once again, Sierra and West kept a lid on this whole fucking thing, which means when it finally landed, everybody's talking about it. This was a great way to do it by saving to the end of the episode. We had no idea as to what was going on. Why did you roll your eyes? I don't think they were doing it to, like, save it for the viewers. I think that Sierra didn't want to get embarrassed in front of the public again. I think it was, but no, I think it was both.

I don't want to take away from the fact that they didn't go out there and, like, say stuff online and they kept it quiet. I'm just saying, this makes for so much better reunions when we don't know what's going on. And we actually get to learn in real time. So that's all I'm pointing out. I do agree with that. Yeah. We jump immediately into Carl and Lindsay. And I was like, whoa, shit.

Like, great start. And they're talking about rewatching everything. And Lindsay's like, you know, I was reliving my breakup once again. Everything that I saw is exactly what happened. Carl spins it a little bit differently. He goes, you know, I got to see it through a little bit of a different lens. Now, at any point during that conversation when you saw it, did you think that he went into that conversation not breaking up with her? No, not even remotely.

It just doesn't sound like that. I just hate that he was sitting there like, yeah, you know, I thought it was really important for us to rewatch that because now we can begin to heal. What the, like, what are you talking about? That's just, it's just, this is another one of those issues where we watched him fumble through the end of that season. We knew what he wanted to do. He had this whole, I don't even want to say it was planned out.

He knew what he wanted to do. He didn't know how to go about it. And now he's sitting here and he even said, I've been thinking about this for the last eight months to finally get through all of this. because I've been worried about it, you would think he would have a slightly better game plan. And I think that all he's really trying to do is just kind of force it down everybody's throat, which Andy's helping by saying, yeah, we're happy that you guys didn't get married. We can, everybody can put their hand up, but the rest of America agrees.

And he's still sitting there like, yeah, you know what, Andy's right. We shouldn't have gotten married. Lindsay's happier this way. So, like, that's the approach that he's going with. And I just don't think that's the approach at all if you want to come out of this looking clean. I know that, you know, a couple of years from now, we'll look back and say, thank God they didn't get met we are saying it already but a couple years from now we'll be like oh yeah thank god they didn't get married and we're not going to look at either as the villain

but carl could go about this a completely different way he could play a little bit of the victim and he's not doing that which i'm surprised about at least yet and we'll just have to see how it pans out yeah i actually appreciate that he's not going full victim mentality i didn't hate his approach to this i think that yeah it's calculated and yeah he's trying to he clearly thought about it going into the reunion how he's going to approach this whole thing i will say the Captain Lee podcast coming out where Captain Lee went on and said, you know, I got this very bizarre phone call that he agreed to do this.

And then he's acting like I'm trying to defame his character or something like that. Yeah. That he's clearly got a lot going on. And there's clearly a lot to be said about the different stories that we're getting as far as his psyche goes and how he's looking at this whole thing. So yes, I do believe that he came into this with a very direct plan. I don't think Lindsay did herself any favors this reunion either. I think that what you're seeing is they're both trying to take an approach that neither are doing a great job.

That's why for me, I was like, actually, you know what? I appreciate that. It's just like, thank God they didn't get married because Jesus Christ. But again, to the blindsiding thing, they talk about, Lindsay brings it up, when she finds out about the cameras coming in, she goes, and she slipped. And she goes, I went into his bedroom. And I was like, uh-huh, I heard that too. Excuse me?

He's got his own bedroom. And Dev was like, oh, maybe that's where he keeps his clothes and stuff. I was like, no, no, no, his bedroom. He's been staying in there for an extensive amount of time. And then as they're fighting before they start filming, he's said so many times, I'm this close to calling the wedding off. So if you're having that conversation, 45 minutes beforehand, and then the cameras come in, and then he does it on camera, how is that a blindsiding?

I just don't under I do agree with the sentiment that at no point do I think it resonated in her brain that this would not like yeah it will work out no matter what was her mindset so I do I don't want to take that away from I do think that she was blindsided because she never saw that coming whether she thought he was too scared to do it whether her idea of this is how relationships are they're hard work whether that played into it but as far as the writing on the wall like it's you can't make it more apparent he was telling you 45 minutes before to actually happen like i'm this i'm this close and then he doesn't you're like what the fuck i think that i think that again goes to say like for what we were talking about last week that lindsay had no idea that he was even capable of doing this that he and i said it last week she thinks that he's too much of a pussy to actually go through with it so if he's sitting there 45 minutes before saying that if i'm lindsay i'm thinking well he's just trying to get me into a more like like frantic frame of mind where i need to defend the relationship to try to stay into it and he has no intention of actually doing that, let

alone doing it on camera. And it's interesting because usually I'm not a fan of something like this. But Gabby being the spokesperson in this moment and saying, usually I'm not a fan of this, but I don't know what Lindsay would have said. We wouldn't have really gotten much of a coherent like thought or a string of thoughts rather as to what was going on through her minds beforehand. And why would we? I mean, she just got broken up with right before her wedding. So I don't expect her to not be emotional about this. Gabby came in with a completely different perspective, a little bit more cold, calculated, going into what Lindsay's psyche was prior to that. And it does, look, that all checks out. Everything that Gabby was saying, I know that I kind of

disagreed with what she was doing last week, just going balls to the wall, just fuck Carl. I fucking hate him. Amanda, don't even bring it up. Don't even talk about this. But now Gabby's sitting down being the spokesperson for Lindsay and I actually appreciate her insight because she gave a little bit of insight into what Lindsay was actually thinking rather than what Lindsay would have been saying, I think. That's fair. That's fair. I still don't love that she's jumping in because she keeps inserting herself over and over again into this conversation throughout them going back and forth. I agree with that moment where she breaks down what, and you and I had discussed, that's your, wow, words are hard after a frontier flight. After you had said the blind

inciting occurred because she was so dead set on it at no point did she think otherwise and then for gabby to voice that as well it's like all right so that is exactly what happened she went into this with a totally different mindset than carl had going into this so that's where it all kind of broke down so yes i i agree in that one specific moment okay fine didn't mind let me ask you this let me ask you this who would you rather because lindsay's not going to talk about this it's going to be one of her friends. Who would you rather? Gabby or Danielle? I'm going to choose Gabby. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. But when your investors, customers, and workers demand more from your business, make it happen with SAP. The AI-powered capabilities of SAP can help you streamline

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And she says, look how defensive you're getting. I'm like, don't do that. Of course he's defensive. You're arguing. I'm not saying he's correct in this moment, but yes, he's defensive. You're going back and forth. You have to defend yourself. Like the verbiage that's used between the two of them, just thank God they didn't get married.

But we move on from there, which is shocking, by the way. That's the beginning. And it's Lindsay and Carl. And I don't know if we're going to come back to it. I imagine we will. Yeah. Like we have to, right, for the second part? No, we are going to come back to it for sure.

Okay. I'm just making sure because you imagine but that's what you honestly there's not that much more to talk about I mean there is obviously there's a lot more we can discuss but it's more of the same so I'm just no no no it'll get way more into the specific fights that they had it'll get into Carl going to his family of the scene with his parents it'll probably get into the fight that they got into where Carl ran away to his parents before we even started filming there's a lot more to uncover there and we need to figure out where either person was at that time. So no, they're absolutely going to end the reunion on that. I think this was just a little appetizer. Just let's say, look, are they or is it going to be more Carl and Amanda? Carl and Amanda? Kyle and Amanda, no, I think next episode, and I don't want to jump ahead too much, but it seems like we're getting a bit of, I guess some, you know, some downtime, some late time with Jesse talking about him getting into the house and hitting on page a little bit more. There's more there because I saw that from the clip. And then I imagine we'll go Kyle and

Amanda and then right into Carl and let's see that ended off well I really hope they're picking up cameras right about now if they had I mean I guess they start filming after what memorial day no it's right after July 4th or right before July 4th oh well I really hope the cameras are up right now considering that word on the street is that Kyle and Amanda are splitsville and you did some due diligence yeah she scrubbed all the pictures of them off her Instagram supposedly so that could have just been someone and I never saw before and after picture and why would we that's one of those things that i just don't i would never understand if you have a before and after picture of there somebody's grid on instagram and like what it was before

they scrubbed it and after like how would you know how would you even know to take that screenshot so no obviously we're never going to get that but i'm going to start going and screenshot every bravo relationship that's like a little rocky i'm going to start screenshoting everyone's pre just in case something happens i'm like oh i've got it i got it uh that's a good call no it was it was one Twitter account. I can't remember the name, but it was one Twitter account that put it out there saying, oh my God, this is great. And then 50 different Twitter accounts just started running with it. And when I looked, I mean, yeah, there's still posts with Kyle there. A lot of them were promoted posts. So it's like the goldfish thing that they're doing and whatever else,

lover boy that they're doing. But when you go back a little further, they still have, you know, like their anniversary, their dating anniversary, their wedding anniversary, stuff like that's still up there. So look, she may have gotten rid of a couple of pictures. Maybe Kyle pissed her off and she just decided to archive a couple. I'm not really sure, but neither side is talking. It looks like everybody's over for Andrea's wedding, actually, in Italy. Yeah, in Italy. I know Corona looks like, I love Italy. I don't know if Amanda's there. Amanda might not be there, which would be weird. No, there's no way she wouldn't show up for Andrea. She hasn't posted. That's what I said, but there's no posts. There's no stories of her over in Italy and all the things that I've seen from

Carl and Kyle and whoever else is over there. I don't see Amanda anywhere. So who knows? Interesting. Yeah, but she's such a team. team player. I think that she would feel bad letting Andrea down. I don't know. I agree. You have done your due diligence. Nice work, sir. But let's move on to a little bit of a lighter topic. And that's the bros of summer. And we love a good bro summer. And we've been missing that on this show for the past couple of years. And we finally got it. Say what you want about West now. Obviously, there's a different sentiment after this episode. But throughout the summer, we finally got that camaraderie back in the house where the dudes

are having fun with each other, they like each other, they're partying, they're hanging out. And a huge testament to that was the arrival of Jesse and West. Little did we know in the beginning of the season, we're like, this dude Jesse's such a douchebag. Fast forward to the end of summer,

Jesse's the fucking man. Yep. Beginning of summer, West is the shit. Fast forward to the end of the summer, West is a douchebag. What a flip-flop. Who did that? Who did it? It's an incredible flip-flop. up. I actually really like imagining. You know the graph, I guess this is going to be a little sports coded, but anybody can really understand this. You know the graph that it's two line graphs

going up and down and then they intersect at some point. Usually for sports, they'll do it like your winning percentage the whole time. And at some point it just intersects and it's like, oh, this team's going to win. Jesse and West is so funny because you imagine West is way up top, Jesse's way at the bottom. Jesse kind of claws his way back up, but West is pretty consistent. and then he just falls off of a cliff and Jesse goes right back up. Like Jesse was a consistent grade back up. West is across and then straight down. So it's really funny to imagine that for me anyway.

Yeah, no, I know I'm literally picturing the one where we beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. And it was like winning percentage was ours was like all the way down. And after that I was like, like shot up to 100%. So yeah, that's a really funny one. But we get a little insight into why Jesse came in the way he did. which makes a lot of sense. He comes into the house late, so he already felt a certain way.

He's nervous. The minute he gets there, he starts crushing booze. And he, I think, saved himself a little bit. I think he showed up drunk. And I think he said that.

And Andy was like, you showed up to the house hammer. He's like, no, no. When I got there, I started drinking, I was like, nah,

you were drunk when you got to the house. Yeah, you had a couple of drinks in the car ride out there. Definitely did. But he even says, you know, I was not concerned,

but curious how real is this? like is this actually real life he said it was super real so for what it's worth i take jesse at his word he's been honest all season long and i think that's where west shot himself in the foot by playing the role of and we called it i think you called it about halfway through the season because you know we were all everyone was fanboying over over west and i think it midway through you're like, I think he's still a fuck boy. And lo and behold, he is and he was playing a different card. But for Jesse, if you want to even call him a fuck boy, like fuck boy behavior to me is not a dude that's like, I'm not looking for anything.

If the right one shows up, great. But I'm out here in these streets doing what I want to do because I am single. Like he was never playing like the gross guy. No, no, he never was. And I think that the appropriate term for Jesse would be a lovable douche. We'll go with lovable douche for Jesse. because that's what he is. Do you think he would like that?

I think he would like that. I think that he would be okay with that. So a lusch? A lusch. Yeah, we're mixing words again. We'll call him a lusch. I like that. That sounds nice. Lusch sounds better than lovable douche.

I have a good comparison that you may or may not like for West, but I'll save that for the second episode. That's fair. Foreshadowing. Give our list of something to come back for. I like that. But let's move on. We talk about Carl and Kyle reconnecting this.

summer because if we remember last year they were on the rocks after the whole lover boy thing kyle inserting himself into lindsay and carl's relationship things got really messy last year so it was nice to see these two reconnect this year just because it's such an old friendship and i think also the fact that they are legitimately best friends even if you don't like carl and kyle i just appreciate when friends become friends again after a shitty summer so that was nice to see with these two, but they start to ask Kyle about his involvement this summer with the relationship as far as Lindsay and Carl go. And I agree, like he did do a fairly decent job at keeping his mouth shut. And Kyle from the past, we would have definitely seen more of those scenes where, you know,

last year where he's like, you know, when people are actual bitches and stuff like that, where he says things that you can't really come back from. And he even acknowledges that last summer he put Carl in a really tough spot and he did like he did by trying to defend carl last year he did carl no favors he put him in an impossible spot to the point where that had to put a strain on the lover boy thing it's just their friendship is arguably one of the more toxic ones just like up down up down shit so hopefully they can at least get through that nonsense now but even his response to the flower boy thing like he's very self-aware in this moment where he's like look I didn't think that I was going to have a pivotal role in this wedding.

I didn't go into this assuming that I would be a groomsman or the best man or anything like that, but the flower boy thing did sting a little bit. And the breakdown of this was very confusing to me. Yeah, it was very confusing to me too. And obviously there's a lot of important takeaways just based on how Carl was answering, how Lindsay was answering, the questions that Andy was kind of pointing in different directions. It was really, really tough to figure out exactly what happened. And I think we just have to kind of read through all of it where, yeah, obviously we want to know how Kyle feels about

getting demoted to a flower boy for one of his best friend's weddings, the best friend who was, you know, the, who married you and your wife. So that's, of course, going to be a little complicated. But I don't even really care about how Kyle feels. Like that doesn't fucking matter to me. I want to know why this came about. And we get somewhere and it really comes down to Lindsay did not explicitly tell Carl no Kyle in the wedding. That's what I get from it because Carl never even denied that. He had so many other different excuses and reasons as to what was going on. My big takeaway from all of this was one, he did explicitly say, if somebody were to drop out,

Andrea would replace them, which is very telling. It's very telling because that tells me immediately, yes, Lindsay had a lot of conversations about the groomsmen and the bridesmaids and nine and nine and whatever. but she never said no Kyle and Carl understood from Lindsay that it would be better if I don't have Kyle in there at least that's what he thought he was picking up so Carl did this on his own Carl was trying to save himself from a potential fight with Lindsay or some sort of argument or some sort of issue that she might arise he's just left it there and just said you know what I'm going to leave Kyle out I've got nine other best friends I can put them in there

that'll work out fine and then you know we'll find another place for Kyle I think that was Lindsay's doing coming about saying let's get these summer house guys included and we'll do the flower boy thing and Carl jumped on board with that but having Kyle as a groomsman for whatever reason Carl felt like Lindsay would get pissed off about that and that brings me back to my main point Carl was too much of a pussy to put his best friend his groomsman so yeah Lindsay's sitting across the room saying well of course he's not going to break up with me he won't even have his best friend in the grooms him because he's afraid that I'm going to get pissed off about it I agree with all of it as far as

like what they're both saying I do believe that Lindsay said do what you want to do I do I do think that Carl was like I would imagine she doesn't want Kyle in this wedding yeah I think that at least from like my standpoint I would be more insulted

to be a flower boy than to just not be involved correct like I think that if Kyle had if Carl sat him down and said look dude there's a lot of history here I love you to pieces you're not going to be in the wedding, but just know that you're really important to me.

I think Kyle would have accepted that better than, hey, how about being a flower boy with two other dudes? One of them being Luke of all people. That, I think, was a bigger knock at anything than just having the conversation. And that comes back to, yeah, you're right. Like, he was a pussy. Like, he or whatever word you want to use.

He was a wimp about the whole thing because he should have just talked to Kyle, one, two, if you wanted Kyle in the wedding, tell Lindsay that but I do think that he was in his own mind like there's no way that Lindsay wants him in here the biggest part though is again they're both saying two very different things I believe that they both believe that what they're saying is the truth I think they I yeah but I think it is the truth I think it's as simple as that that it is the truth and we talk about their communication or lack thereof they were getting married you can't even have a simple conversation about

having Kyle be a groomsman like so what if Lindsay's going to get pissed off about it you can still have the conversation and then you go to Kyle and say look like you don't you don't do that without talking to Lindsay you don't go to Kyle and say look there's a ton of history here let's do this you know because then yeah Kyle's going to read through the lines and say oh well Lindsay doesn't want me in the wedding you can just tell me that and in reality that's not what happens so Carl needs to buck up and have that conversation with his fiance who you're getting married to who you're going to have to spend the rest of your life with hey my best friend is somebody that I would the wedding. Is that going to be a problem with you? He lied. He just flat out lied and said

Lindsay said no. And that's like, look, you can't just throw it under the bus for no reason. Like there's things that you can bring up and be like, obviously she's not going to want you in this dude, but you can't flat out say this is Lindsay's doing when Lindsay did not say that. Like that's just simply unfair in painting a picture of she doesn't need any extra or you don't need extra ammo against her and just fabricating stuff. Like that's where this is getting confusing because, and I don't know if we're ever going to have a pivotal moment where it points to one side or the other, and I don't think you need it, really. I think that, again, the breakdown of this is these two are on two different planets. Yeah.

There was no chance that this was going to go well. But we've seen this question in a lot of the lead up to the reunion, was Carl afraid of Lindsay by a show of hands? And everybody in the room, including Lindsay yourself and Carl himself, both raised their hands. And Lindsay says that he's afraid of the tough conversations. Yes. Yes, he is. And I don't know, I don't know if that is only reserved for Lindsay either.

I think that's across the board. I think you look at his relationship. Yeah, with Kyle and Loverboy, with other people in the house when he's gotten into drama in the past. Like he tends to take the path of least resistance face to face off camera with somebody else or in a different conversation on camera. It's a very different story. And it's almost like, and I think this is a big part of it this season was had he not been pressured by Amanda in that moment to have the tough conversation, which still wasn't the full-blown tough conversation, I'm not so sure it would have happened.

Like, I don't know. I think that he got to, for lack of a better term, got caught with his pants down. I was like, oh, fuck, like this is all going to be on camera, which is how would you not know that? there's yeah you're in a bedroom with five cameras around you with three producers and three characters from the show and you're not aware that oh fuck i should probably get it all out there on the table she's going to see everything but i don't know if amanda hadn't been in his ear that he would have done that and i think that that's such a major major factor in this whole thing and that's kind of a glimpse into the psyche of karl overall throughout the years he is a people

blazer he's going to try to keep everybody happy or try to come out of it looking the best that he can and in this instance i think as you pointed out in the beginning of the episode if he had taken the approach of here's where i fucked up boom boom boom boom this is where i went wrong i apologize for that and stop speaking on lindsay's part of things let her do that because i don't think she's doing a very good job right now as far as articulating her side of the street because She's still full-blown 100% victim. And I don't think that either of them can fully claim victim card or villain card. I think that it's too mixed for them to take such a firm stance.

So had he come in there with a much better approach of, yeah, I dropped the ball. This was brutal. I'm an idiot. I handled this like shit. It'd be a very different look. And on the flip side, if Lindsay didn't come in trying to put all of the blame on him, 100% of it, that's where they're both kind of falling short in my eyes, at least. Yeah, no, that totally makes sense. And I do agree, especially because if you're looking at this like team Carl, team Lindsay, which pretty much everybody is anyway. I know. It's just really tough to do, obviously, because you want to support people and whatever. And I get that. But sitting here now, it's really tough to look at Carl and say, okay, no, I get where you're coming from. Even though everything is still out there, there's so much footage of her berating you. And like, there's no footage of you berating her. Even though she's

saying that's what you do. So you can lean on that a little bit. The only thing that we're learning now is based off of what you said during the season and what you're saying at the reunion is you've gotten caught in a bunch of lies now. Like you keep getting caught in these lies that you're telling Kyle or you're telling your parents or whoever the fuck you're telling. People are finding out, no, that's not what happened. You're embellishing. You're completely changing things around. So now he's sitting there on this couch like, okay, I've gotten caught in a bunch of lies. Lindsay, for all that she is, she's not lying. lying about anything. She's highly emotional. Well, not the page thing. I don't care about that

right now. But I'm talking about just with the Carl stuff. We're not, we can't prove that she's lying about him berating her 45 minutes before. Oh, that camera showed up. Like we have no fucking idea. She can say whatever she wants because there were no cameras there. We've caught Laurel or Carl, Laurel. We've caught Carl on lies at this point. So now at least you can look at and be like, all right, he's lying to his friends about what's going on. And we've said it before. He He wasn't downright lying to his friends, but he was manipulating a little bit to try to get the right answer out of them so that he would feel better about what he was about to do with Lindsay. Yeah, but counterpoint, she was doing that all season as well. Like that's where I'm like they're both doing to each other, but no, not sort of like the way her retelling of certain things.

And this has been echoed by multiple people on the cast, even when they were all like not at each other's throats because obviously the relationships have fallen apart since everything has happened. but she her retelling of things as page points out earlier on like i'm therefore even amanda says it like how i experience a certain moment versus how lindsay retells the story are two different things they're slightly embellished which is what carl does do's as well do so again i can't point the finger at either side especially with the aftermath of everything and look she was the woman scorned in her mind at that moment when he called everything off we get the oh boy from her dad all that shit which she says i don't talk to my parents about anything but your dad responds with oh boy which means dad knows everything going on so that's a lie

as well and then after the fact kyle points out you know it just so happens that paparazzi's hanging out outside of your apartment obviously we can't prove whether or not she was the one behind that but you start looking at the tabloids everything picking up on the fact that the day after everything happens everybody knows about it and then all of those different rumors come out about Carl. I'm not saying he didn't do the same exact thing during the season. I'm just saying if you look at it, they both have their own truths to this whole thing. And they both stand by those truths. And I think that as we always say with all of these Bravo shows, there's two sides to every story and the third is the truth. Like we won't know because we're getting two different

sides from these two. And I don't know. This is why I'm glad that there's, supposed to be more, according to you? I'm still nervous that we're not going to really dig. There's no way that they wouldn't dig into it, but I do have a question for you. If it's not Carl or Lindsay who called the paparazzi, who's the most likely on the cast that would have called the paparazzi and potentially leaked stories. Danielle. Uh-huh.

Danielle. And which totally, by the way, I think that makes the most sense because she even said it last week. When they all go over to her apartment, she's the first one who found out. She found out right away. Lindsay told her right away. She's the only other person aside from their parents, which I don't expect the parents to call the paparazzi. And Danielle now has a track history with the page and Craig shit from the wedding.

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things so shortly after paparazzi was in certain places it just it stinks it stinks to high haven't let me tell you but sure does we start talking about Kyle bringing Carl back into lover boy and things are going well I did appreciate that they bring up you know would he be there if you were still with Lindsay and was she the reason that you were gone before at least in this moment Carl's able to say no that was my decision 100% she was my soundboard like I would go to her and vent about everything but at the end of the day that was my decision I made it not on her at all, which is great. And I appreciate that he took it upon himself to at least admit that. And it does get confusing because I guess Carl, sorry, Kyle and Amanda, Jesus, Kyle and Lindsay were playing

pickleball or tennis or something earlier in the summer. And they had the conversation, which is bizarre to me that we didn't know that. The fact that she had talked to Kyle already, that should have came up before, but whatever. And I guess in that conversation, Lindsay was like, great, do it. Like, I hope he does it. That's awesome. It's a career opportunity. Great.

Go get him. That changes things a little bit as far as the conversations we saw after the fact. But even then, I think everybody can agree when we watch those conversations back between Lindsay and Carl, Lindsay was inquisitive as a partner. She wasn't being overbearing. She wasn't trying to strike him down at every turn. She was just like, well, what about X, Y, have you covered those yet? Are you sure about this? All of that's very fair. But before we

move on any further, let's dive into, we got the girls in the house fiving. And we had a very vibey house this summer, which is awesome. And that's, that's all we want on this show specifically is if we're going to watch a summer house themed show where they're in the Hamptons, we need to see people getting along, partying, having fun, drama mixed in, but make sure it's still fun they finally got back to making summer fun again i know that you personally were you were a little beat down by this show because i was beside myself last year yeah i know you're really upset and i was upset because i i take on your feelings yeah because i love you i know you're an empath and i am an empath too much but regardless they touch on lindsay and daniel was that genuine like you guys getting back

together and becoming friends again i guess they it's then again this is this is annoying to me that they spoke before the summer, but during the filming of it, it's like they reconnected in the house. It's like, but you guys had already had this conversation going in. It's not the end of the world. It's just a little bit frustrating.

But I do think that it's, it's important to note that Kyle keeps bringing it back to Lindsay. He's the one that keeps going back to, because we have moved on from that at this point. Yep. And Kyle goes, it's odd that she got along with everybody, including Danielle,

for Carl and is this is this because they have found out more I don't know what the direct split was between Lindsay and the cast during the offseason between this and the reunion like I don't know what happened because the the final scene that we see with everybody hugging all the girls are supporting Lindsay Kyle and Lindsay they had their ups and downs to the summer but for the most part they were pretty cool and now Kyle's taking it upon himself to be Carl's defender almost. I think he's just being Carl's defender because no one else will be. Is that what it is?

Anybody else defending him. But it's Kyle. So he's doing it in like this loud and aggressive way to try to take away from the rest of it where he knows that Carl's not going to just interject himself and go after Lindsay while she's talking about something completely unrelated. But Kyle will do that. And Kyle always does that. I think that's what it is.

You did make an important point though, because I noticed it too. you can tell like facial expressions when people are going after lindsay or lindsay's in a bit of hot water you don't see obviously you know the page stuff comes out a little bit later but amanda's not exactly jumping to defend lindsay and look they've had they've had their past as well but it seems like they were okay and they were like in a better space towards the end of the summer obviously with the carl breakup thing but amanda is making faces next to kyle while he's talking that shows me that she agrees with what he's saying. Yeah.

And I'm not surprised that Amanda's quote unquote team Carl, but I think she's just trying to like have somebody's back. But no one else is stepping up really. Nobody else is really defending. So there's got to be something else there. I know that there's something else there. And there's something else that's going to pop out in the second episode. I would hope to try to answer some of this because they're not in the same place that

we saw them at the end of the season. They were in a great place. And they took that picture, which we talk about in a little while as well. they took that picture at dinner saying you know girls rule boys drool but it looks like all the girls are together so something must have happened in the what six or seven months from when filming wrapped that that we don't know about yeah and like stuff like that that's where i get flustered as well because linds he's like that had nothing to do with carl the caption it's like it's okay and it's okay and that's why kyle even said like own it just own it like this is so

stupid that you're not. I actually agreed with Kyle on this one because that is really stupid to not just own that. You just got someone to break off a wedding with you and you didn't have any intention of breaking up with him. So you were quote unquote blindsided. So yeah, of course you're going to post a caption and say girls, roll boys drool. There's nothing wrong with that. No, that's fine. You could just say, yeah, that was. You know what? That was in direct response. I felt happy because all the girls came to my side. I took them, you know, we all went out to dinner or whatever and we just started talking about good times and having a great time so yeah of course i put that up there just yeah own that one own that and own like after everything went down

you did you you you went on the offensive to try to pad yourself going into the season that's okay this is reality tv people make moves you put yourself in a better spot this goes back to what we talked about with carl earlier as well if you came into this reunion and said here's all of the ways that I fucked this whole thing up. This is where I'm at fault by dropping the ball on all these different things. Would have done you a lot of favors. On the flip side, if Lindsay's like, yeah, I was fucking mad. I was really upset.

I was sad. I was feeling this whole range of emotions where the man that I thought was going to spend the rest of my life with blindsided me. So yes, I said some things. I posted a caption. The caption is not even bad. Again, as you said, makes total sense. Of course you're going to post that in that moment.

you're mad at your ex-fiance that makes sense to Kyle's point just own the shit own it speak on it and like if you really that's I guess my frustration with the both of them is pick a fucking lane and stand by it don't

play the card of it's their fault like that's not it because we watched this whole thing break down over the summer and both of you fucked it up both of you dropped the ball at multiple points take ownership of it and that would be a much smoother reunion going into next season rather than pointing fingers

and having your team go to bat for you. I like when people get involved. I don't like when they are the primary voice. Like, speak for yourself. Yeah, but I do think that it is odd to see Carl going middle of the road just saying, you know, this was best for us. Because I think you do see a bit of his true colors a little bit later. And I forget it was Carl or Kyle who said it while Lindsay was going on and on

about how messed up she was. what was going on in her life and how sad she was. I think it was right around this moment when they were talking about the picture. One of them said, you've been with some guy for the last month. Like, you're doing fine. Right. And I'm pretty sure that was Carl.

So, like, that's how you feel, Carl. Just say that with your chest. If you're pissed off about that too and you're saying we moved on really quickly, then be pissed off about that. You can still stand on one leg behind you, just talking about how the wedding wasn't supposed to happen because you guys weren't meant for each other and still be upset that she moved on.

and she's playing the victim still. You can do all of those things. Just be your true self. And at least we'll know where you stands. Like all of this like gray area, middle of the fucking road bullshit, where you're just trying to save face so that the Bravo community doesn't go after you

is pissing me off. Yeah, I want to see, I want to see some feuds get settled. I don't need to see question marks. I think you know what. I think that's the difference between and look, I know the state of the housewives isn't very strong right now. But we're hopeful.

We are hopeful. But that's the difference between housewives and these shows. These shows, you see people kind of protecting their image and their brand. Housewives, they go fucking off on each other. And they have no regrets afterwards. They come in ready to murder people. Here it's like, you know, I'm afraid I'm going to hurt somebody's feelings or, God forbid, people on Twitter are going to be mean to be for the next six, seven months.

I'm going to live in the comments. We see it with Vanderpump. We see it with Southern Charm. That's the difference between these reunions. And I wish that they would go in with a different mentality. of fuck everybody else if you're not with me this is how i feel i'm going to let everybody know how i feel like just do some of that and look it was really entertaining it's a great episode it's a great oh it's fantastic and i do hope that the second one delivers of course but i really wish we got

more of that instead of this protective bullshit yeah i agree especially seeing west floundering you should have been like oh everyone's going to be talking about him let's go all out yeah like they should have been like oh west is fucked so we're going to go ahead and there was nothing west could have said and we'll get into that but there's nothing west could have done himself way more favors than what he did the way he handled it could not have been worse it couldn't have been worse but there was no way he was just going to come out of that clean at all look he wasn't going to come out unscathed yeah he fucking buried himself and we're going to get into that in this next episode as we said we like to do two partners for these now because we like to talk a lot and we didn't

want to give you an hour and a half episode. We want to break it down. Be concise because when we drag on for too long, we tend to get a little, woo. So this way, this next episode you're about to listen to. Don't worry. They drop at the same time. So you just can go right into the next one. That's all about the West and Sierra stuff, the Lindsay and Page drama that we didn't know about. And hopefuls for next week, what we're looking forward to. So we'll see you in a minute. And your questions. And your questions. So we'll see you shortly. I'm not going to to drag this out anymore bra bros are out of here seen a sec here here the most popular fiction podcast of all time which the new york times described as what might occur if david lynch was a producer at

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