Brown Girls Do It Too - Stiff Upper Lips

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

Poppy and Rubina visit a labiaplasty surgeon for a very intimate examination

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If you didn't know already, and us naked in the thumbnail didn't give it away, this is a sex podcast. And if you can't tell from our voices, we're actually British Asian babes. We really are. I'm Poppy. I'm Robina. And this is Brown Girls Do It Too. Brown Girls Do it too. I'm Robina, and if I was a doctor, I'd be a cardiologist. Because that would make me the man of my mum's dreams. And I'm Poppy, and if I was a doctor, I'd be a brain surgeon, obviously, because they are bigger ballers and get the best pussy, I think. And today, we're taking a deep dive into our special place to those other lips that blow more than raspberries, the luscious labia.

What are some of the other words for labia? Jelly roll. Love box. Beef curtains. Hate that one. Flaps. Busted ravioli. Ravioli? Alright, freshie. Ravioli. Busted ravioli. Why a busted

ravioli? Okay, now I get it. Yeah, like a busted ravioli, yeah. Juicy. So the ravioli. Why a busted ravioli? I'm just... Uh... Okay, no, I get it. Yeah, like a busted ravioli, yeah. So the ravioli... Juicy, open... So the ravioli's the flaps and the bits... With the content coming out. Oh, God.

Right, okay. The banana basket. The notorious VAG. The sausage wallet. Jew flaps. I'm saying D-E-W, by the way. Yeah, let's clarify that. Puff pillows.

Puff pillows, I know. There's always... Have you noticed there are way more slang words for a woman's lady parts than a man's parts, private parts. Yeah, interesting. It's because everyone in the world's obsessed with this area for women. And it's often used in derogatory terms, isn't it? Like, check her beef curtains out.

Yeah, or the C word. Yeah. One of my favourite words to use. Yeah, I use that very liberally. We're not going to use that here,'t worry not safe for your ears um so you know how how would you describe yours how would i describe my vulva in one word or my flaps brown and ugly wow yeah it's true it's taken i've done. Well, we're in our third series of this podcast and I'm only just beginning to accept my vagina. In fact, this morning I was looking at it and I was like, don't like the way it looks.

It's too dark. There's discoloration. I need to get it waxed. I'm literally, I mean, I don't hate it, but I've never really thought it was pretty or something nice to look at. God. We've covered this. This is content you'll find in series one. This is something you'll know about me.

Yeah. How would you describe your vulva in one word? I mean, I used two, sorry. Magical. Oh. Because you can have a baby and you can come and it does all this like amazing stuff. Yeah.

It's self-cleaning. Yes. It grows. It changes shape. I'm saying magical. I love it. Not kind of like Paul stuff. Yeah. It's self-cleaning. Yes. It grows. It changes shape. I'm saying magical. I love it. Not kind of like Paul Daniels magical.

There's nothing Paul Daniels and Debbie McGee about my vulva. But there is a magic to it. It's a bit more David Blaine, less Paul Daniels. Oh my God, I hate David Blaine.

He's so annoying. But he's magical. I'm just going to be an award attempt. Yeah, actually you're right. I can't think of a cool magician. Paul Daniels is way cooler. Do you know magical. I'm just going to be an award attempt. Yeah, actually, you're right. I can't think of a cool magician. Paul Daniel is way cooler. Do you know what?

I need an actual female. Dynamo. Name me a female magician. I don't know. Where is all that brown girl magic then? I don't know. We're doing it right now.

Okay, fine. But I quite like your Paul Daniels reference. I used to have a Paul Daniels magic set when I was younger. Really, did you? Yeah, I have a wand.

I just love you. I love that I've said brown and ugly and you've said magical because I genuinely think throughout the entire recording of this podcast you have made me single-handedly love and accept my vagina more. And it's totally superficial, by the way. I obviously love my vagina. I get lots of pleasure from it. But it's totally cosmetic.

It doesn't look nice you know interesting that's it's that what do you what do you think it should look like um beautiful smooth tucked in like a poor vagina white yeah i mean right now i'm like you're not white so it's not gonna look pink and white um but like there's hair on it and i spent a year shaving it so like it was a thick right this was not attractive Do you think anyone goes to a surgeon and says I'd really like a white vagina and they're like brown Yeah people bleach their vaginas

people bleach their buttholes all the time If people bleach their fucking faces They're bleaching down there Which I I mean each to their own but I'm like no one can I suppose whatever I've never looked down at my vulva and thought, this needs to change. I just thought, this is me.

I love that about you. So I've looked at my vagina. Tiffany, you know about Tiffany, don't you? Season one, check it out on BBC Sounds. She's from the Bronx. Twacks like this. I'm not going to do that now, but I've always thought Tiffany could do with a bit of a redo.

A bit of a spruce up. A bit of a spruce up. A bit of a spruce up, a bit of work, a bit of a filler there, Botox here. Yeah? Poor Tiffany. Poor Tiffany. I mean, I haven't put her through it. It's because she's a smoker.

She's a smoker. She smokes, she talks like this. You want to get a coiffé or what? You know, she's a haggard. She's lived. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what?

The skin down there is obviously really sensitive, and it feels like... I was trying to think of another place on your body you can compare the skin of your labia lips to another part of your body, but it is like... Oh, it's unlike anything. Maybe your elbows.

Oh, my God. I was going to say the same thing. It's like the skin on your elbows, but not when your arm is... Yeah, extended. It's like the fluffy bit there. That's like touching myself down there. Yeah's like a little the fluffy bit there that's like touching myself down there.

Except you're not as sensitive in that bit of your elbows unless you fucking hit it. I feel nothing here. In fact you know that game where you just like pinch really really hard

and you still feel nothing. But that's the comparison and it's like a little bit wrinkly. Or your underarm hair so your underarm skin if you've sort of shaved it

and got enough razor bumps and you've really No but everyone's underarm skin is like that. The girls who have like baby soft underarm hair. I saw your underarm skin. Underarm skin. If you've shaved it and got enough razor bumps. No, but everyone's underarm skin is like that. The girls who have baby soft underarm skin. They're insane. I don't know who they are. They don't exist. No, they don't exist, yeah. So I know there's such a thing as designer vaginas.

And women are going to Harley Street. What does that mean, though? Is that like Coco Chanel? Yeah, I'm going to have a Gucci today. Can I get a Ralph Lauren... Little nip and tuck? I'm trying to think of a designer brand that begins with V.

Vivienne Vestwood-Wolver. Oh, my God. Really hard to say. When you're Indian and you mix up the Vs and Ws, like I do. Vivienne Vestwood-Wolver. Or, like, can I get a Valentino tuck?

Oh. Nip tuck. Can I get a Valentino tuck? Oh. Nip tuck. Can I get a Vivi? A Vivi. I don't know any other designers. Louis Vuitton. Can I get a Vuitton on this? An Adidas vagina.

Can you Elise this situation? Can you turn this into a Nike tick? A puma. Puma for my puma. I know I'm not going to be spouting out any statistics but we all know there's like women women need to go and you know you know like nose jobs women need to go and fix up their fannies clearly they feel the need to how do you feel about what's the name for it it's called a labia labia labia labia labiaia, labia, labiaplasty. Labiaplasty, yeah.

So it's a surgical procedure to change the shape and size of the labia minora. And that is the inner lips of the vulva. So the woman's external genitals, so what you can see. Right, okay. Your outside lips. Your outside lips. And it's to change their shape to make them more... Less flappy, less...

Tighter? Smaller, thinner? I think you can do all sorts, really. You can can go in and be like i don't know if you can get them bigger also i was gonna you went in you're like you know what my puff pillows just need a bit more puffing yeah has anyone gone and done surgery and said you know what make me bigger yeah everyone's getting stuff shaved off take this i think i think the desirable porn pussy is nothing it's like a short short lip quite a thin lip

thin tight lip we got our vulvas cast and the first thing we did is we compared our vulvas and we were like you're either prettier

you're either skinnier than mine what the fuck is wrong with us and we have quite medium labia lips I don't think

we've got skinny little labia lips I don't think we've got fat labia lips weirdly our labias were quite similar. And the woman did the vulva casting and was like, I've never seen two vulvas look so alike.

If this is like Goldilocks and the three bears, Goldilocks and the three labias, like ours is medium labia. Medium, yeah. Medium-sized porridge bowl. But then when we went to her design studio, it was fascinating when you think about labia diversity, right? It was fat lips, skinny lips, one lip bigger than the other.

You actually did have one lip bigger than the other, I think. Yeah, and also, my grooves were... Your grooves were thin. Yeah. But my grooves were big. Yeah. But our lips were the same size. Size, yeah.

They're actually very beautiful our vulvas but obviously people have some issues with them and have gone to go get surgery and then to see and to see and actually i think we were quite cynical of this weren't we because you and i think that plastic surgery of this kind yeah is a destructive it's a step too far i remember you saying well actually and you made me think about it differently why is that any different to someone getting a nose job or botox yeah it's yeah you can't see it but it's something that has you know they have issues and mental health because of it so why can't why can't they change it and i think yeah and i think the initial reaction

of most women is to be like you shouldn't have to change that because you're obviously changing it for someone else but what if you're obviously changing it for someone else. But what if you're just changing it for yourself? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know, because I think that about all plastic surgery. Like, if you are severely unhappy with something to do with yourself, yes, you can love yourself and, you know, you can be empowered by all sorts of things. But if your nose upsets you so much that you need to have plastic surgery to fix it and it'll make you happier. Then why not?

Go for it. I have no problem with people having that choice to do that. So we actually went to meet somebody who performs this procedure on a range of women. Yeah. And we went to meet her and she was wonderful. She was wonderful. But let's not lie. We went in there with our own sort of hang ups.

Hang ups. Yeah. How dare you tell me that, Matt. Let's not do that. And I went to, I mean, look, you were eight months pregnant. Yeah. I was almost like, yeah. In fact, your waters broke the next day. Yeah, exactly.

And in fact, I turned up very pregnant being like, oh God, we've got to record this podcast. I'm so tired. I remember having to tell you, babe, you might want to get a cab to the station. And you're like, oh no, no, no, no. I'll walk. I'll walk.

Yeah. Anyway, so you were pregnant. I was very pregnant. You you were heavily pregnant you were like my husband holding my hand yeah it was me because obviously you think you're you you believe your your vagina is magical whereas tiffany it was actually really surreal because you were lying on the bed with your legs wide open and i was at your head end kind of looking at you and talking to you and then literally the next night i was lying with my legs open and your actual partner was with you holding your hand so we went to sloane square we went to meet this doctor and we went to learn a bit more about this procedure called labiaplasty

back up back up you're too close to my vagina back the fuck up so i'll just explain the situation poppy is lying down on a very comfortable with a wonderful doctor are you a doctor can we call you yes i'm a surgeon i'm a doctor so officially a medical doctor but i'm obviously a surgeon i'm verla rothsaars i'm originally belgian uh but uh yeah i've been living and working in the UK for a good five or six years by now. And I've been living here for a good 10 years. I perform lots of breast surgeries, probably because I'm female. I also do quite a lot of labiaplasties, otherwise you wouldn't be here, clearly. Do quite a few liposuctions, some tummy tucks, and then facial surgery-wise, I do upper and lower eyelid lifts.

Wow, so it's like a full range of stuff that you can cover. And then on the side, I mean on the side. I can't perform surgery all the time, I always say, because it's exhausting. I also do, yeah, toxin injections and hyaluronic acid filler treatments so that's sort of my scope of practice i mean we're in a weird role reversal here yeah she's like lying on the bed and i'm sitting next to her but i'm on the head side up and our wonderful doctor is towards the end because today our doctor is going to take a look at poppy's vulva and discuss what amendments could potentially be made for poppy um dependent on what should i say

something yes i want to point out that that's actually not the way i work because i don't want to talk people into insecurities yeah okay imagine it's like literally one of the first lessons my plastic surgery professor ever told me like if people walk into your office with let's say a humongous like large nose they might be walking into your office with let's say a humongous like large nose they might be walking into your office for like a mole on their shoulder or something so if you then say i am i'm assuming you're walking in for your nose and they're like no hell no so i don't want to talk people into like insecurities they might not have at all what do you do when you have patients who come in who don't need a lip labia labiaplasty yeah so i think

i mean i've looked at my numbers prior to you guys you girls coming here um i think i turned down about half wow 50 of the women who inquire about labiaplasty um on what grounds are you turning them down just because they look normal they're absolutely normal and there is no excess labial skin that can be removed because sometimes i have to explain to them that if i remove their sort of labial skin the inner labia that that is that it's actually that i'm actually performing an amputation that's genital mutilation i don't mutilate and why do these patients come to you what are their reasons for getting a labiaplasty in the past may have made a comment about what a girl's labia or woman's labia actually look like and then I remember a patient not that long ago just before Christmas who told me that her previous partner had made nasty comments about her labia that he said like

oh they don't look normal so yeah can you imagine seeing that to i mean to a partner i can't so poppy that my labia was too big yeah or anything have they ever commented on your vagina in a way that made you feel no no isn't it yeah yeah so that in combination with sometimes yeah obviously in what sort of times do we live like i mean people have access to all sorts of pictures and like everything's all over the internet whereas in the past like how did you like let's say generation of my parents for example um it wasn't sort of i mean you had to go to the library go dive into a gynecology and obstetrics book to sort of figure out what labia actually looked like.

Whereas nowadays you can just Google and you can just sort of see lots of pictures that sometimes may look sort of completely different from what you actually have going on. What bothers you? Very good question. What bothers me about my... I think my lips are a bit wrinkly

and there's just too much lips. See, I don't actually know my vagina. I couldn't draw it in a diagram and tell you this is this and this is this. She doesn't actually know what her clitoris is. I don't actually know what my clitoris is either. So if you're down there and you could show me, that'd be amazing.

I'm actually more than that. Can I get the sex education that I never got in school? So last year, Poppy and I got vulva casts of our vagina. So somebody did like a casting of it. We can show you a picture of it. So we're looking at external genitalia. They dyed them blue. Just ignore that.

Ignore the colour. So we're obviously... I'm obviously touching mine. And Rubina is touching mine. Yeah, so let me take a pencil actually. So obviously, yeah, these are the inner labia. Yeah yeah these are the inner labia yeah these are the inner labia inner labia these are the outer labia inner labia inner labia great and then obviously the inner labia sort of converge into the commissure and then your this is sort of your clitoral hood that's covering your clitoris oh it's covering

the clitoris yes it's a hood yes it's a hood to protect the clitoris and uh some women will actually because obviously if you apparently in the porn industry some women um have their clitoral hoods actually removed so that the clitoris is actually visible so occasionally i will have a girl coming in for obviously labia plasty who is also bothered about yeah excess clitoral skin or clitoral hood she wants it to be consistently exposed yeah but then i mean that hood is there for a reason right it's like just as well your labia are there for a reason right because you don't want to not have any labia because then there's like i mean but also then you might be constantly aroused, right? Because then your clitoris is constantly being touched.

Sounds amazing. I'm going to sign up for that operation. I want my clitoris constantly accessible. I think the wrinkle, the wrinkliness bothers me. And they're probably, they're probably a bit on the long side, you know? Do you think, Doctor, you could just compare the photograph of the two of our vaginas there and let us know what kind of is the more desired look, which is such a ridiculous thing to say. But Poppy and I, when we got our vaginas done, we were like... This is where we were fishing for a compliment. The first thing you said, Doctor. I just really want a compliment on my vagina.

Oh, my God, your pussy's skinnier than my pussy. Yeah. Your pussy's prettier than my pussy, and it's ridiculous, but, like, that's what we're doing. You must know no because you see you see hundreds and that would you say you've seen at least a thousand you must have seen yeah yeah for sure oh yeah yeah for sure you must know what people are looking for yeah i mean obviously it depends right most people i mean the ones who walk into my office and inquire like about

alabiaplasty obviously i have to turn down quite a lot but the ones who then obviously progress and are good surgical candidates what most of them are what most of them sort of why they consult with me is because they've got aesthetic as well as functional concerns where it bothers them also from a functional point of view they're like in the way they have to tuck them in they can't wear the underwear they want to wear and these women with the big some are pretty big yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. And it really bothers them when they're wearing yoga pants, they're extremely self-conscious about... Oh, camel toe. Is sex better when you have had a labiaplasty? I mean...

Is it meant to be better? Well, I guess your confidence is better. Confidence is better. It's a combination, right, of obviously what makes sex good. First of all, it's a combination right of obviously what makes sex good like first of all it's a combination of obviously functional and like mental uh triggers uh i think if you feel more confident and comfortable and uh and happy about yourself that i mean arguably probably the sex you have will be better or more enjoyable um i always have this discussion with women obviously how sensitive

are your inner labia usually the answer is that they're not that sensitive at all so uh usually people don't get any sort of when i masturbate i don't touch my labia i don't think you don't get any sort i mean usually on that like i mean there's always exceptions but usually people don't get sort of aroused from their inner labia. And if anything, yeah, if they're in the way that, I mean, arguably then having them done will probably make, I don't know, a bit more enjoyable. But I mean, it's never a guarantee, right? Because you might as well, I mean, it's, I always say you're trading, obviously, inner labia that you're bothered about with like obviously a shorter version but there's obviously initially uh some scar they're scarring on on them like inner lining of your mouth if you bite on your

cheek really hard it heals super rapidly yeah it heals much more rapidly than any other body part. Oh, cool. But, yeah, obviously that's why it's so important to filter out the suitable candidates, right? If I've got concerns that women are like just, I mean, something's not right about their fixation with like inner labia, then sometimes touching them might make matters even worse. So it's a very fine line sometimes. So shall we get cracking cracking because i would love for you to look at my labia and uh so i i think um i think there's a there's a usually i take out a mirror but obviously you know what i thought i could do is i could face i could turn my chair this way i thought that might be good yeah and then i i have my back towards your labia because

so i can protect your privacy babe you know i look out for you and then I can just look at you straight in the eyes as well, which is much more creepy. I just think my pussy's so ugly. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. This was task one on series one, babe. Finally getting it done. I'm finally getting it done on series three. This was on series one of the podcast.

I had to look at my vagina like i do yeah in a mirror because i'd never done it before so what are you looking at it right now i'm looking at my vagina right now okay do you want to describe i'm looking at my vulva what do you see what do i see is like quite like see this is quite well like what is that that's if you could describe it as a fruit which fruit would you describe it as i mean right now i'm just like touching the flaps this is i mean i'm touching my inner labia um uh it's it's it's a fruit i don't know weirdly or is it more of a flower or is it a really a pineapple comes to mind what is this okay it's tissue i've just got some tissue of

my vagina by the way not just reality right there it's like a bit of tissue in your vagina yeah um i um sorry uh it's it's like i've had a bit of a wax but it's from this i'm going to point point and show the wonderful doctor exactly the bits that you like. Okay, so like, it's like this. Essentially the overhang. Oh God, I've got an overhang. Fucking hell. I'm sorry, I'm just going to touch it. This bothers you.

Yeah, that bothers me. This excess skin. This here, yeah. And it's a bit darker, so there's slight hyperpigmentation. It's completely normal, but there is some overhang. Okay, I've got an overhang okay i've got an overhang i've got an overhang but obviously sometimes obviously nothing's wrong with puppy nothing's right nothing is wrong with me i just have an overhang uh but as surgeries go though

labiaplasty would you argue is the still has the the most taboo the most stigmatized oh yeah for sure yeah yeah boob jobs feel like really acceptable now don't they like those jobs there was a time when like getting a boob job felt like a little bit like too much but now everyone can get a boob job and lip fillers now really normal yeah yeah and obviously it's all about are my patients first of all in the right headspace are they obviously fit and well like mentally and are they in a healthy like sort of relationship or no relationship are they just sort of yeah dude i mean are they it's just a big part of what i do is as i said right filter out the people who i think are unfit for surgery and sometimes immediately

don't turn off the boyfriends yeah we need to obviously uh sometimes educate women and just tell them that oh my goodness you're like just it's nice the way you are it's completely normal just embrace it and whoever ever makes a nasty comment about your like vulva again tell them to just uh fuck off yeah doctor it's been so educational seeing you honestly and i and i feel like i don't i i think i don't know if i've done a three complete 360 like rubina but i totally understand the need for surgeries like this and the very fact that you're saying to me look you're not just you know it's not just a profit for you you're literally turning away 50 of your patients

because they simply don't need it i suppose my worry is it's that 50 that i worry about but but but why but why is that any different to the 50 who don't you know necessarily need a nose job or a boob job but they're you know it's it's you can I guess also one of the one of the interesting things about cosmetic surgery that I've never really understood is like when does it end like you know so people can just want to kind of this pursuit of perfection is quite problematic but like it's just it's unattainable well I mean I've just had the best time i've learned so much thank you so much for having us here yeah i've decided doctor that i will not proceed with um this operation and i'm okay with my overhang and thank you for making me feel good about my

overhang pigmentation though i might have to come to you for a bit of lipo but we'll talk about that yeah i want to get my boobs done after i have a baby, so we'll be back for other things. Thank you. Thank you. Guess what I am? The amazing Cameron Diaz. I'm like wild. Michelle Visages.

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app. I've got to say, it was very brave of you to open your legs for Dr V. I was very impressed at the time. Really? Well, I was really worried that she might have to deliver my child, so I was also like, oh God. I was worried she'd have to deliver your child. Yeah. I actually, when we were waiting for you,

not that you were late, but you were just obviously heavily pregnant, I remember making a really bad joke to her, being like, my friend's pregnant pregnant and if she delivers will you be able to like help her you said to me you were like don't worry

she's a doctor she can deliver your baby and then she overheard and she went I'm not actually licensed for that but I'm Bengali so you're fine

you can be licensed for anything you're here now yeah I you know me I'm game for anything. Also, I opened up my legs to her and I said, what's wrong? And she was like, nothing.

But then she did say there was some discolouration, not discolouration, hyperpigmentation. Yeah. She said there was some hyperpigmentation. So one lip was particularly dark, like really dark. So she could even out the tone. So she could even out the tone. We went in there with hang-ups. And actually, Dr. V was great.

And she made us realise. She said that she turns away 50% of her clients. But to have someone say to you something you already know, secretly deep down, that you may be trying to deny. Like, I knew my lips were a bit darker. I knew it was a little bit longer. That's it. Those inner lips were a bit darker. I knew it was a little bit longer. That's it. Those inner lips were a bit longer than normal.

The normal. No, there is no normal. And there is no normal. And then she showed us a catalogue of all the other vaginas and how she fixed them. And sadly, I was like looking at the before and after and I was like, every time the after was looking great. Every time I was like, this is neater. So, I mean mean i don't know she hasn't given me um what's the word she hasn't given me any hang-ups are you are you going

to get your no absolutely not i i think if anything having seen her i realize i don't need to get anything done there is nothing wrong with my labia yeah there's nothing wrong with my vagina i'm happy with the way it is yeah so sometimes i think you need to see someone to get the validation that actually there's there's nothing wrong with you and you're fine um but how is it like for you sitting at the top of my head watching me get my i mean i was just i'm in general fascinated by cosmetic surgery because it plays to this idea that there is an ideal of anything yeah like people who get nose jobs or lip fillers or eyes that we're all playing to this idea that there is one perfect thing that we need to go to and the thing about the labia is like what she's saying is actually

there is this one labia that she she commonly commonly rule them all exactly there is this one idea of what it should look like and And people are coming in and being like, I want it to look like this. And I bet you the majority of these women are coming in saying, I want it to look like this. And they're all showing her the same porn pussy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just think, why would you want to all look the same?

Yeah, well... Also, I'm being a bit lazy and a bit kind of reductive, but I don't have to look at it all the time. Well, this is it. I'm also like... So I don't really care what it looks like. I don't care what it looks like. And I'm not looking at it all the time well this is it I'm also like I don't really care what it looks like I don't care what it looks like

and I'm not looking at it all the time this is the other thing out of sight out of mind is very much my thing I mean you sent me homework

in season one of Brown Girls Do It Too all I needed to do was look at my vulva and I was like I couldn't even be asked to do that and it's not there

whereas I get the face you see it every day everyone else sees it yeah yeah to be honest I've never in all of my sexual encounters ever had a man say to me you know what your left labia lip is a little bit bigger than your right labia lip never have I had that happen to me oh but my god do you remember Dr V said sometimes she gets clients coming in because their partners

have said your flaps are too big and you need to get work done. And I'm like, who are these men? I want to kill them. If you guys said that to me, I'd be like, this is over. Oh my god, yes. Why would you ever, why? No, you don't get to come to the pussy palace and tell me how to design the interiors. Damn fucking straight.

If I'm going to be honest, I still don't know how I feel about it. But like Dr. V said, supply and demand. What are you going to do? If people want to, if that's what people want, you're not going to turn them away, right? Yeah, and it's legal. Do it safely if that's what you want to do. I think she had a really wonderful kind of clinical space to do it

that felt really safe and she had a really nice attitude towards it. But I think for any plastic surgery, you need to go through the motions of really figuring out whether you really want that to happen and what that means for you. Yes. But yeah, my opinion is you don't see it that often, it's fine. And if the person looking at it is giving you any shit for it,

they do not need to be in your life. Yeah, you need to cancel them, you need to cut them out. Have you heard of this game that they do at kind of like women's wellness circles? It's really popular to have these like affirmations like, I'm a strong, powerful, beautiful woman, totally in control of my sexuality, totally in control of my finances. wellness circles it's really popular to have these like affirmations like i'm strong powerful beautiful woman totally in control of my sexuality totally in control of my finances as she's literally losing everything yeah exactly as her mind is like falling apart she's like i'm

fine i'm fine i'm fine but the whole thing like if you say an affirmation over and over again you just start to believe it so like we should do one that's like my vagina is okay okay so you want to go first no you go first uh okay so my vagina is very confident and forward that's two words i always use two words instead of one no i think i mean you don't you don't really understand maths or numbers in any way so two words i love it love it love it that was many words yeah my vagina is very confident I would say

your vagina actually I'm gonna do your vagina you do my vagina I'll give you your affirmation okay fine your vagina

is fierce okay you like that yeah I do and I think it's like a roaring tiger fierce vagina roaring beef curtains yeah roaring a roaring tiger, fierce vagina. Roaring beef curtains.

Yeah, roaring. A roaring puff pillow ready to take you at a moment's notice and eat you alive. No, I'm joking. I'm sort of borrowing your word back from you, but your vagina is actually magical. It's magical because it's you and it's magical. And it's magical because of the influence it's had on my vagina wow yeah wow maybe actually my vagina's like derren brown because i've psychotherapied you into enjoying your own vagina which is what he does you know like the power of

mind control i'm loving that by the end of this episode don't look directly into my vagina you have at the end at the end of the eye. I've got the eye of Lord Sauron, the eye of my father. You have, at the end of the only thing I've learned in this episode is you've finally found a magician that you like. So Derren Brown. Derren Brown is my vagina.

Okay, great. Good for you. Thanks. So we'll have to, we'll have to cut it there. Snip snip. Yes. Ouchip snip. Yes. Ouch.

Yeah. But yes, that's a wrap on today's Vulva chat. And if you have any thoughts, any comments on your labia minora. Or even tell us about your labia majora. Yeah. Fuck it. All lips are welcome. Yes.

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