BTC Sessions - Bitcoin About To Be FORCED Way Higher — HUGE Short Squeeze INCOMING

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

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Bitcoin just smashed through a new all-time high. But here's the crazy part. If history is any guide, this may just be a warm-up. There are two charts we're going to show today that seem to be suggesting we go much higher. First, we have a chart of the global M2 money supply that has tracked Bitcoin's long-term trajectory almost eerily well. Right now, we're lagging slightly behind. But if we catch up to the trend line, we're talked. about a move that would obliterate billions in short positions and rip straight through a key

psychological level everyone's been whispering about. Today we'll not only show you those charts and break down the liquidation target, but we're also going to break down to heavyweight opinions that dropped this week. We have Dylan Leclair, of course, a lot of people familiar with him, a macro strategist and on-chain analysts. He remains, of course, bullish on it not only Bitcoin, but he's massively bullish on Bitcoin Treasury Company, something we discussed last night on the show. Meanwhile, Jim Chanos, he's a famed shortseller. He actually called out Enron before it collapsed.

He just came out himself as also long Bitcoin, but he's betting against many of the same firms that Dylan is excited about. Both are betting on Bitcoin, but they're on opposite sides regarding how this next chapter unfolds. With everything we've got lined up today, you may come away wondering, is Bitcoin about to rocket higher yet again? Stick around, smash that like button. You're not going to want to miss this one. I am Ben with the BTC sessions.

This is your weekly session. All right. And I want to welcome friend and co-host of the show actually stepping in for Nathan this week. The lovely Gary. Gary, how you doing, buddy? As long as you call me lovely, I'll be here as long as you want, baby. Awesome, awesome. Dude, I'm glad to have you.

Anybody that's watching that's unfamiliar with Gary, he co-hosts Mentor Session with Nathan, where they get to do awesome interviews with a variety of different guests. If you haven't checked it out, they've got already a pretty solid catalog. How many interviews have you guys done so far? I don't know, 15, something like that. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, they've been great, too. So if you haven't checked out the show, please do.

But Gary, we got to chat about what is going on with the price today. It's, you know, do you feel something again? I feel my orange all-time high feather boa on my neck. Got to rock that. Yes. And I do want to everybody that's tuning in that saw the tweet saying that I would cheers the plebs to the new all-time high. I have poured myself a little whiskey here.

I'm not a, you know, I'm not a big midweek drinker, but I'll allow myself a little sip. So, cheers to Gary, cheers to the rest of the session steam, and cheers to everybody viewing to an all-time high. We're sitting at $116,200 and some odd dollars. It's been peeking around. We peaked out so far at 168-ish.

But like we saw this wild spike, Just to put it in a perspective, okay, in a five-minute candle, we went from 113-7 to 164. So basically just shy of $3,000, a $3,000 candle in five minutes. The perspective being that that is 3x the entire 2013 cycle. So people back then would have been celebrating one third of what happened in five minutes for an entire full bull market, which is wild. But now that equates to what, a four and a half percent move in a single day. Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's pretty wild.

And just to, for my Canadian brethren out there, you know, our Canadian. moose shekel. We did indeed also break all-time high. We're sitting at 158, almost 159,000 Canadian moose shekels. So congrats to all my hockey fans up here. It would appear that we've made it. Now, with this being an all-time high show, Gary, I think it's, I think it's important that, you know, it's very important to stay humble, but also, you know, some light ribbing, a little bit of like mild dunking, is perhaps, I don't know, are you, are you keen? You know what?

You've earned it, baby. You can't help yourself so much like you have at it. Well, okay, so I'm going to show Lynn, she had a much more measured approach to me than me, but finance a lot here. This tweet, this tweet, it seems like it would have been written ages ago, but this was June 26th. He said, I've warned you guys again and again and again. 112,000 was Bitcoin's top. It will never go any higher ever. And Lynn very politely said, there's a lot to be gained from thinking in terms of probability and always reflecting on a

thesis and little to be gained from thinking in terms of certainty. So, you know, very reasonable, you know, even-handed approach. I just went with the Bart, at least you tried cake. So, yeah, I mean, you got to take your chance. Take it when you can get it, right? And there's something to be said for both approaches.

You know, Lynn is always level-headed and always gracious. And sometimes it's fun just to dunk a little bit. So enjoy. Yeah. Hey, it's not like big corners don't get it wrong. Remember the rainbow chart? And then we went outside of the bottom. range of the last color of the rainbow chart so we just added a new color yeah yeah yeah oh no this other

color was here the whole time everything's fine we just couldn't see it it was it was ultraviolet yeah nonetheless i think maybe let's chat about off the top of the show i mentioned the m2 money supply and there's this chart uh with bitcoin price tracking it so i'll show that here so basically this was just the other day, actually earlier today. So 112,200, kind of this resistance zone. And it's looking at

basically looking at the global M2 money supply and Bitcoin basically more or less tracking it very, very closely. And when we were down at $11,000 per coin, you know there's a 20% gap a 20% price move rather between here and catching up with the m2 so that we're kind of in line with that again and that seems to be you know closing pretty quickly here so you know it says this would put us well above 120,000 per coin you know if we continue to track this and this is tracked for you know a good solid few years now at least so are we going to keep up with that you know I'm not going to

going to say for sure, but maybe, maybe. And that $120,000 price point is more important than just keeping up with this chart that tracks the two of them. The other interesting thing that happens at $120,000 is that there are $1.5 billion worth of Bitcoin shorts that will be liquidated at that $120K price point. So, you know, if you bust through those, you know, if you bust through those, you're not, you then that's just, you know, added fuel to the fire to rocket higher. I mean, this is why this is why you don't gamble and use leverage when it come and short Bitcoin. Like, Gary, could you think of a more stupid thing to do? I told my accountant, he asked me six months ago.

It's like, I'm thinking of shorting Bitcoin. I immediately, and I'm not going to get financial advice. Like I'll tell people like, hey, I couldn't predict Bitcoin in the next six months, 12 months, whatever. I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about. But the one thing I said is do not short Bitcoin. That is dumb. Do not do this.

Trust me on this. And thankfully, he did not. So good for him. Yeah. And on the other side of it too, like there's a lot of dumb things that you can do in Bitcoin. Shorting it is one. Not owning it is another. But going like multiple X leverage long is also not a good idea.

Not a good idea. Bitcoin's going to do what it's going to do. And even looking at that chart you showed before, but the M2 money supply, sure, we can generally say it could track it and probably will from a general sense. But are you going to tell me because on, you know, September 14th, they expect to be at this number. Therefore, Bitcoin's going to be at that number on that date. If you think that you have that figured out, you do not. And if this is some piece of information that anybody can clearly see and everybody thinks they haven't figured out, they do not. Bitcoin is going to do what it's going to do.

Save him Bitcoin. Hold on for the ride. You'll be sitting pretty long term. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. And, you know, it's the safest thing you can do, again, buy self-custody, hold for the long term, step away from time to time. If you're getting too emotional about the price, and I know we all do it, you first get into Bitcoin, you're watching it like a hawk. I've luckily not been on that train for a while. Obviously, I've got to look at it because we're doing the show and everything like that. But, you know, if Bitcoin tanks, I've really, I feel nothing anymore. Like it's just kind of, you know, it'll be back. It's not never a question for that. Now, do you ever keep up on any of the betting markets as to like Cal She? What is that how it's Cal She?

I think. I mean, I listened briefly, I think last winter, maybe beginning of 2024, late 2024, whatever it was. People are saying, oh, yeah, by the end of 2025, it's going to be like a 40% chance. It's over 150 or something. and if you want to bet on it. And I thought about doing that. But I'm like, Gary, you know, don't get too cute here.

Just stack, stay humble, hodle, and be done with it. So I don't pay attention to them. I'm sorry to say. Yeah, I wouldn't advise anybody to go make bets on this. But it's also interesting to watch kind of market sentiment as it gradually shifts. And so apparently on Calshy, one of these online betting markets, where you actually have to have, you know, skin in the game to make a bet. It looks like 125 or above by the end of 2025 is like a 74%.

150 is at 37%. And if you go up to 200k, it's like a 10% chance that they're giving it right now that the betting odds are. Yeah, it's funny, though, because like as we blow through these, obviously these odds completely change. So what do we do the rest this year? I don't know. but over longer periods of time, I think it's a little bit easier to speculate. Now, we talked about, or I mentioned Dylan LeClair off the top of the show. And I just want to show this quick clip of him.

And he was chatting with Natalie Brunel on Coin Stories. Now, I'll play this. Just Gary gives me a thumbs up if the audio comes through nice and clear for you. But here we go. Take a list to what Dylan had to say in regards to Bitcoin over the next day. decade. The 10 years from now, I think, I mean, I think Bitcoin is, you know, repriced in order of magnitude or two or is magnitude higher, you know, 10x or 100x higher in fiat terms.

I think the Bitcoiners are right on there on the right side of history. And I think Bitcoin Treasury companies are going to be the most valuable companies in the world, you know, whether that's because the most valuable companies adopt Bitcoin or because the companies that adopted Bitcoin, you know, thrust up to be the most valuable, probably both of those in tandem. We're going to be accounting fiat in the quadrillions at that point. Yeah. It's like we're getting close to that way.

Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm with him on the Bitcoin price there. I do have some healthy skepticism on the Bitcoin treasury companies. Just we talked about this on the show with everybody last night with Matt Cratter and Neil Patel and Larry Lepard. It was an interesting conversation.

We'll show a little bit of that momentarily. about some of the other stuff that was covered. But like, yeah, the 10x to 100x. But the thing that stood out to me was what Natalie said, where she's like, and then we'll be accounting Fiat in the quadrillions. And so to me, you know, if when we get to, because it's not if, it's when, like they can't, as Lynn says, nothing stops us train.

Nothing does. But like, yeah, that's a mix of increased purchasing power with Bitcoin. But it's also a huge degris. in the purchasing power of the dollar, right? Like it's, yeah. Yeah, without question. I just loved how he said it like, yeah, we could go up like an order of magnitude or two, just like casually as if there's, you know, like a dollar or two,

as if there's not much of a difference between an order of magnitude or two. Yeah, like only like a nine million dollar difference per coin, but okay. Cool. Yeah. Way to really hone in on the prediction there. I mean, he gave himself a pretty wide birth there. He definitely did. It's almost certain to be accurate.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But yeah, we're talking quadrillions of dollars. Let me just take out my Zimbabwe, one million dollar reserve note. Hold that up again, Gary. I pulled you. There we go. Nice. Yeah.

That's pretty. So, you know, let me be the wet blanket here and kind of rain on my fellow Bikorner's parade in the very short term. We're talking about an all-time high today, and it's great. But we're talking about it in dollar term. and dollars have gone down 10% I think over the past like six or seven months or something like that. So we're still thinking and measuring in fiat terms. And when the day comes and it will come that we're measuring and thinking in terms of Bitcoin in terms of stats, then we can really start

talking about where we are in terms of value as it relates to buying goods and services and storing for the future. So yeah, it's up against the dollar, but the dollar, it's not a hard thing you're measuring against. That fluctuates. That goes down. It's, um, it's nice to have. We get the feather bow all time high, but this is a long term savings vehicle. Enjoy the, enjoy the highs, but be in it for the long ride. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. And, and again, um, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering almost, because I mean, it's been a lot of, it's been a little while since I feel like there was some mild celebration over price. And like, again, it's, it's nice to see today. a 4.5%

5% bump in a day. Nominally, it's a big chunk. But I can't help but wonder if some of the Treasury company stuff has taken some of the wind out of Bitcoin's sales. We're chatting about that last night as well. And even I've been seeing some stuff on Twitter where there's people like, well, why would I own Bitcoin

if I can get like a 2x leverage on Bitcoin via something like, like micro strategy or some of these some of these stocks and like i mean again so this is this is uh jim chanos and he's he's long bitcoin and he's literally going long bitcoin whilst shorting micro strategy and some of these other uh uh bitcoin treasury companies and i think he's just banking on on the fact that now i i don't know if uh shorting micro strategy is is the right move. I think sailors probably got his ducks in a row pretty well. And who knows, like, again, the market can also remain irrational much longer than you can remain solvent. But I do question,

like, what the quality of Bitcoin treasury companies begins to look like as everybody realizes, hey, I can just say, I love Bitcoin and buy my stock, and it'll pump my stock. I think that's where we get into some of this scary, bubbly territory. And again, a great tweet from Katie from Plan B passports and Citizen X. She said, I had zero problems with strategy borrowing from suits to buy Bitcoin. I did not expect an entire generation of Bitcoiners to unlearn not your keys, not your coins. And this kind of harkens back to what we were talking about on the show last night, which was, you know, people are welcome to speculate on these things all they, all they want. on, but for the love of God, please have a decent Bitcoin stack before you start dabbling in some

of this other stuff and treat it as way more speculative. Bitcoin is like your long-term savings mechanism. All this other stuff, it's like it's you're trusting, number one, you're trusting somebody else's promises, right? You're trusting that the company will continue to accumulate Bitcoin, that the dilution will not be outpaced by the amount of Bitcoin per share, that they won't sell their Bitcoin at a future, at a certain point in time. Like, there's all these different things that they actually have the Bitcoin. Like, there's a lot of things that involve a lot of trust there. And so if you're a speculative type, please keep that as like this small speculative

portion of what you're doing and, you know, self-custody Bitcoin. I think that's the way. Yeah, I think it's definitely the way. I mean, obviously, we're saying things that we repeat ad nauseum. I'm sure, we definitely want you to exchange in the marketplace and ideally have a strong Bitcoin circular community. So sure, keep some stats on a wallet that you can go around and buy and hopefully we'll get at least maybe beginning de minimis exemptions from the IRS. You don't need to calculate your stupid taxes every time you buy a cup of coffee. That would be nice.

But in the long run, yeah, this is a savings vehicle. It's not a get rich quick scheme. It's an avoid going for slowly scheme. I'm not the one to coin that, but that's what it is. And if you're doing it for long-term savings, you need to always try your best to self-custy, understand the technology, know what you're doing because this is probably going to be ultimately a lot of money for you. We talk about treat the Bitcoin that you have as if it's going to be 10x what it is in a few years. That's what you're actually holding.

So learn the technology. Don't rely on a third party. We've seen even recently in Iran when their Bitcoin exchange got hacked. Who knows who did that? But, people, all the people who had their Bitcoin on that exchange, it got sent to a burner address, done, they're gone because they didn't self-custody. Now, conveniently enough, BTC Sessions and I are part of Bitcoin mentor where we teach self-custody. But there are other companies out there that do that. And so even if you prefer the way another company does it or another person does, you know somebody that can teach you, great. I don't care. Just learn it. Learn what you're doing because this is for your retirement someday. This is for future generations. This is going to be for

your kids and grandkids understand what you're doing with this great amount of wealth that you have. Yeah, 100%. And treat the wealth that you have now as if it's 10x what it is, right? Like you don't want to be fumbling around trying to figure it out because you're panicking because it's suddenly worth so much more. You want to be, you know, you want to know you want to know you're secure and your setup well before that point. And again, we've got a we've got a fair amount of tailwinds. It seems like money printer go burr is name of the game. for this American administration, as with all ones before it and all ones that will come henceforth. But again, having Larry Lippard on last night talking about the big print and the inevitability of it,

I'm just going to play a short clip of that because he had some great things to say. But let's just take a quick listen. You know, Powell's not willing to play along. And so, you know, you've seen this incredible, you know, verbal attack from the president, on Powell, I mean, coming out and sending him a note and saying the rates are wrong and implying that we should take rates down to, you know, 100 basis points, to drop them by 300 basis points, taking down a one and a quarter or something. And, you know, very, very aggressively calling on him to resign, etc.

And, of course, the more he does this, the more Powell will dig in because Paul wants to be remembered as Volker and he doesn't want to have the whole thing blow up on his watch. And maybe he can get out until next May. But then they came in with another strategy, which I find fascinating, which is they said, okay, well, you're not going to leave. You're not going to cut rates for us. That's simple. We're going to create a shadow fed president. You know, we might even appoint somebody now to be the next head of the Federal Reserve.

And by the way, we'll probably pick somebody who's extremely doveish. And then hopefully what the market will do is they'll look through, you know, the next nine months or 10 months from between now and next May. knowing that when that guy gets in or gal gets in at that time, we're going back to Zerp and QE. And so, you know, that'll juice the markets. And then I guess there's one more piece of the whole plank. Somewhere along the line in here, percent and Trump and others kind of threw up their arms and admitted,

well, this is when the big, beautiful bill came down, right? And they were going to cut expenses. And of course, the whole Freedom Caucus has disappeared. And there are only two people left in that, you know, Rand Paul and Thomas Massey, and of course, Trump had backed them a great them aggressively. And, you know, they ended up increasing the deficit, increasing the spending, increasing the debt limit. But Trump came around the other side and said, but don't worry, we're

going to outgrow it. And so, you know, what that implies to me, and I watched the stock market recover, and I thought the stock market cracking on the terrorist was a serious crack that wouldn't be recovered from. And anyways, I'll stop it there. But what he goes on to say is that, again, the big beautiful bill, you know, $5 trillion in additional deficit spending over the next decade, I think. Like, it's just seeing numbers with a T has been normalized. It's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. I'll cut by 300 basis point. Sure, why not 400? Why not 500? Why not 500? Why stop there? I'm reminded of that funny scene in coming to America where R.C. Hany Hall goes to wire the ask his, Eddie Murphy's parents in Zamunda, his king and queen for more money, is like 200,000, 300,000.

The woman's like, while you're at it, why I ask for a cool mill? You don't think that would be too much? Nah. It's so true. It's, again, with the amount of loose monetary policy that we're about to see, with the amount of the amount that they're going to need to print just to pay off the, the, the, the outstanding, you know, the debt, well, they're never going to pay off the debt, but even just like the debt payments, like just covering the interest is, is exorbitant. And so, if anything, like you need to protect your wealth at all times. And again, I would be stacking sats.

I am stacking sats aggressively and have a plan in place for your family and, you know, get that Bitcoin, that Bitcoin retirement plan and inheritance plan in place. Speaking of which, have you done, have you done your Bitcoin retirement calculator, Gary? Yeah, Dale's new Bitcoin Retirement calculator. Dale with Bitcoin Mender has a new Bitcoin retirement calculator. We've seen a few of those. I've played around with it. It's a fun little thing to play with.

Sure. Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to, we'll take a peek at that on the other side. So he's done, again, Dale, Dale Warburton, the Y Bitcoin Show, part of Bitcoin mentor. He put together this website that will show in a second. Really cool on the other side of the break. And it allows you to calculate and change all of these metrics based on your yearly expenditures,

the anticipated annual growth rate in five-year segments, all of this different stuff. and then it'll tell you exactly how much Bitcoin you need to retire. So stick around because we're going to chat about that on the other side of the hop. If you're enjoying the convo, please do smash that like button and give this a share wherever you may be watching. And also on the other side of the break, we're going to give away some sats. So pull out those lightning wallets and we will see you guys in just a moment. We'll be right back.

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And to our good friend Dale over a Bitcoin mentor, we've, oh, am just a sec. Give me a thumbs up, everybody that's watching if you can hear me, just so I know that my, or give me a little, yo, I can hear you. you in the chat just so I know that my microphone is working well. But if not, I'm back in. Okay, you're good. All right, we're good. Okay. So anyways, Gary's a professional. Oh, professional something. You got a shirt that says don't worry on the hilarious. So you're forgiven. Thank you. I appreciate it. Awesome. Well, let's go ahead. Let's take a look at this retirement calculator. So basically, again, it takes Bitcoin's current price. It shows you a bunch of

different parameters. What are your annual expenses in U.S. dollars? So right now, we've got it rounded to 100,000. Again, annual expense inflation. So like, what do you anticipate the inflation rate in terms of what those expenses are going up? So, you know, stated inflation is always a some cooked BS number. Seven might be. I think you're looking up at 10, especially all the printing they're going to have to do over the next 10 to 20 years. I raise that, baby.

Let's go and even 10. We're going to, you know, we might even be generous there. Retirement year. I don't know. Let's, should we do a,

let's do a legit calculation here. Let's say that, you know, somebody, somebody just wanted to stack super hard for the next 10 years. and finish in 2035 and how many years of spending that, you know, maybe you're getting close to retirement age and you want, you intend on living 30 years, let's say, with those expenses plus inflation. And then it allows you to adjust the projected rate of return in

dollar terms for Bitcoin over five years segments. So in this case, it says, 35, you know, a cagger of 35% for the next five years, dropping to 30% for the following five. And again, you can adjust those down. This is kind of, if I'm not mistaken, Gary, you were saying that this is kind of in line with like Sailor's projections. Yeah, that's right what Sailor is saying. And he says when it gets to around 20,

it'll probably level off there for a few decades and sort of stay that way. For whatever you think that's worth. Okay. All right. Well, you know, let's, let's do that. And let's just calculate the Bitcoin needed. So you hit that. And let's see.

For $100,000 worth of expenses anticipated yearly 10% inflation, retiring in 10 years with a 30-year retirement with 35% returns over the next five years and 30% over the following five years, you would need. Holy shit. It seems ridiculous. It is a little bit. ridiculous. But like, again, with those metrics, you know, 0.6 Bitcoin, I mean, it makes me feel not bad. No, no, not bad at all. And, you know, like I said earlier, I was kind of the wet blanket like, yeah, we're at an all-time high in nominal terms. What's the dollar actually worth? What are you comparing it to? So, you know, enjoy the moment, but, you know, keep a level ahead.

I'll go the other way on this one. What we're looking at is, you know, diminishing returns over the course of, you know, multiple five-year periods there, which is what Sailor, believes will probably happen. But you could look at it in an S-curve way. You know, there are people that talked about comparing Bitcoin to the internet, internet adoption. And imagine where the internet was in the early 2000s when adoption was in the low single-digit percentages and where it is today. And that S-curve shot up. So it's possible if it goes that way we could see a huge explosion at some point. I'm not counting on that. I'm not betting on that. I'm not planning my life that way. I'm just saying these are all possibilities and all of these are way above my pay grade.

I'm reducing everything by a good chunk here just to kind of see. All right. So if we said that it's only going to be 20% a year for the next five years and then 15 and then down to 10 and just kind of kick around 10 for the next little while, it's more like five Bitcoin. So, you know, at 100,000 expenses with 10% annual inflation. Yeah, and 30 years of spending. So again, you can adjust these. And this is well below what sailors expecting. But yeah, I mean, it's a fun website to play around with.

If you want to check it out, whybitcoinshow.com slash Bitcoin Retirement Calculator with a little dash in between each word at the end there. All just for people that are watching it live, I'm just tossing it in the chat. if you want to go play with it and play with your metrics. Don't docks your stack in the... Do not do that. Don't tell us exactly how much Bitcoin you have or you need and how close you are, you know, as we should say.

But nonetheless, you know, like, again, the average, what, the average family income is 80,000. sorry, median household income in the U.S. is $80,000. And so that, and that's from 2023. I'm sure it's maybe increased a little bit because, you know, cost of living has gone up so much as well. But yeah, it's pretty wild to, again, like even, you know, if I go back to this, when you default it, it starts at like,

it has a bunch of random defaults, 250,000 expenses per year, which I'd say is, you know, a fair amount. That's a lot. At 7% inflation, at these default settings, it's like you need three Bitcoin to live with that much in expenses to live for 30 years. And again, if I drop that down to like 100,000 in expenses, based on those metrics, it's like you need 1.23. Bitcoin. And again, so like for the average family, you know, what is that? That's, you know, somewhere between one and two Bitcoin, uh, that they, you know, two, two years of, you know, what would that be? That'd be three years, three years of income, four years. I'm my, I'm not you mean to get up to a full Bitcoin? To get up to the one point. Yeah. Well,

Well, I mean, remember, you have to deal with taxes. So it's not just the amount of money that you're making because whatever you're making, if you're making that medium income, 80,000, something, whatever it said. You're only taken home like 50 here in the States probably. And then you have other expenses as well. It's like you're just going to go through the year without eating anything. So, you know, can you put down like five grand a year to save in Bitcoin? It's, you know, it's a good. It's a good. Can you put down like five grand a year to save in Bitcoin? It's. It's. It's. It's. going to take you a while to get there yeah great comments also here in the comment section uh cost of living between states is staggering like between different ones uh my favorite one my favorite one comes with uh a uh show and tell but uh this bro i just need that one bitcoin block found with my bid axe and i'm good that's that's the plan man that's what you want to bet on There you go. Drop a couple hundred bucks on a bit axe, and then that's your, that's your forever lottery ticket. And one day, there's your 30 years of retirement. Exactly. Just enjoy that with that random Victoria's Secret model who just loves you for your

personality. Yes, 100%. A hundred percent. Now, Gary, I mean, we've been on it the whole episode about, you know, best practices and everything. But like, again, this is first and foremost an educational show for people to be able to level up and actually use, actually use the tools to make sure that, yeah, it's great. Yeah, this whole show so far has been price related. And we don't do that very often. But like, price doesn't mean shit if you don't own your Bitcoin because it can be rug pulled. So like, you know, I think I think we need to push people to some of these, some of these resources here. And I'm going to put a little QR down below. But, you know, we've been working hard behind the scenes, creating this zero to hero bit coiner in one page. It's on my website.

This is all free resources that you can use to just learn the tools. And so I've kind of gone through, I've handpicked like a single video for each general topic, like a mobile hot wallet, hardware, you know, buying Bitcoin, privacy, mining, no, running your own node, you know, if you want to get advanced, like running a lightning node, doing multi-sig, you know, inheritance, you know, all, all these different things. They're all on this one page. And so there's one video for each thing. If you go to this page and you just learn those things, you will be so far ahead of your average Bitcoins. It is staggering. And even beyond that, if you look through here and you're like, hey, like, you know, that's not my favorite wallet or that's not my favorite hardware or minor or

whatever, that's fine because you can just go to the bottom and there's full playlists on every subcategory. So you can click through and see a variety of options. for all of these different things so that you can again begin to level up. So like there's just there's so much there. And beyond that, of course, we've got a shout out to, you know, myself, Gary, Nathan,

and the whole team over at Bitcoin Mentor because if if all the free stuff is not cutting the mustard and you're like, this is hard. I, you know, following the video is great, but I'm not quite, not quite making it. Then again, go check us all out over at Bitcoin Mentor, this is kind of meant for like that premium, you know, I need handholding.

I need somebody with me every step of the way. I want to speed run my education so that I can just get to where I need to be, feel good, and I'm just, I'm set. And that's kind of what Bitcoin Mentors for. It's kind of that premium speed run, handhold, make sure everything is to a T without having to search too much. So, yeah, I mean, Gary, you've, you've, you've, You've been working with a variety of people.

You've had some experience with some of the clients and everything. What's been your experience? Where are people generally at? What are the biggest questions? So a lot of the ones I've been working with are sort of just beginners. People just trying to dip their toe in. A lot of the ages are in their 50s, 60s, maybe even in the early 70s. They've gone through life.

They've stacked their fiat. And they're looking to save for their kids, you know, to have an inheritance for their kids. And they're just trying to learn the tech and figure it out. And for me, in my end, I'm always happy to be patient. You know, we do these one hour sessions. But if it takes longer than that, I'm not going to hang up on you at the end of an hour. We're like a damn lawyer. I want you leaving feeling like you've got something out of it and like you're in a better place.

And, you know, we're a relatively new company. We've been around for a little over a year. I think we do a really good job. I think we try to meet people where they are, you know, not just push what we believe is the right way to learn. But we understand that Bitcoin does not come overnight to people. It's not something that you just learn about. And suddenly you're deep in with.

it multi-sig and your own node and a minor, it takes time. So everything is just gradually. If you have some Bitcoin, that's better than not having Bitcoin. If you own some Bitcoin and have it on an exchange, it's better than not having it at all. If you can take it and put it on a hot wallet, that's better than a hot wallet, so on and so forth. And I just want to be clear, you know,

and I know, you know, we kind of share the same idea with this. I don't want people to get the idea that we're watching this show to be like an hour long commercial for Bitcoin Mentor. I believe in our product, But there are other companies out there that teach Bitcoin. And if you think that they're a better fit for you, by all means, go for it. If you know somebody personally in your life who can teach you this stuff without going to pay for a service like us, great.

We're happy for you. We just want you to learn. We want you to be secure in your wealth for a Bitcoin future. That's why we're here. As Ben said, all this information is available for free on his channel. You can just watch it if you want. But if you do want that extra little help from our end, we're more than happy to give it. And we will definitely take our time with you and try to meet you where you are and make sure you're happy by the end of it.

Yeah, 100%. 100%. Well, again, if we don't say it enough, again, take yourself sovereignty into your hands, whether it's the free resources, whether it's mentor or whether it's any other friend, family member, company, whatever it is, take action. Like, this is what we've been preaching since the, you know, what I've been preaching since the inception of the channel. Learn the tools, become self-sovereign. But we're going to hop to one more break, but we've got some very interesting. A couple of tools came out that are very similar, but are in the vein of like extreme privacy. And so, Gary, before the show, we were chatting about, you know, you kind of default to like your Apple messages or whatever.

Yeah. But what do you default to right now if you need privacy? And why do you use privacy messaging apps? Sure. So if it's just like a regular message I'm sending a somebody text message, I just go to the straight message app that was included in my iPhone. But if I'm talking about something like Bitcoin, where numbers may come up or just the idea that I might be stacking in this device or that, I use signal to me that seems like it's the best in terms of encryption. That said, I don't know a ton of that encryption. And there may be nothing that's foolproof. And for all that I know, the government just gets into everything. And this is all just theater. So who knows, but I use signal. Well, there's a couple new things that just came out in that realm, which are very, very interesting. We're going to chat about those on the other side of the jump. And I also happen to know you mentioned something. And we won't give it away right now.

But you have a bone to pick. I do. You're dissatisfied. Somebody, what, affinity scamming in and around Bitcoin? Maybe. We'll find out. We'll find out. Anyways, everybody watching.

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There's something pretty interesting that just kind of dropped the other day. it's something called white noise and shout out to 88 SATs radio who called it totally called it. He's like this sounds like white noise to me and so what is white noise? A truly secure and private messenger that's lightning fast, infinitely scalable,

and identity free. So first off, shout out to OpenSats and the Human Rights Foundation who I work with quite a bit for supporting projects like this. It is so, so important to have these privacy tools available, not just for everyday folks, but for people that are living under tyrannical regimes. It is so important to allow people to communicate freely

and privately. So just a few things about it. Privacy and security, white noise secures conversations using strong cryptography enforced by end-to-end encryption with forward secrecy and post-compromised security, even if your keys are exposed, your past and future messages stay hidden, which is crazy. Identity freedom. So you don't need phone numbers or emails. Choose anonymity, a pseudonym, or your real name. It doesn't matter.

It's open and decentralized. It's built on open standards like Noster. Huge Noster fan. You can find me over there, BTCSessions at getlb.com. Gary, are you on Noster? I am on Noster. I tweeted or tweeted. I posted him.

I Noster about the show. Yeah, I know. I gnostered about the show two hours ago. I gnostered all over the place. So hopefully it didn't make too much of a mess. I'm glad. I'm glad you're nostring things. That's great.

So he uses Noster and the messaging layer security protocol. It lets you take your identity, data, and contacts across platforms, switch apps anytime without losing connections. It's distributed and uncensurable. No single entity controls the network. Thousands of independent nodes worldwide ensure censorship resistance. Run your own relay in minutes. No corporate servers needed.

Fast, reliable, scalable, engineered for real-time performance. White noise handles directs messages and massive groups seamlessly built for speed, designed for reliability. And again, it's a full-on nonprofit, no corporate interest, no government involvement, just volunteers. So really cool to see this. I've downloaded it already. I'm going to start playing around. You can get it on Android. You can download the APK.

also on Zapp Store, if you're already on that, if you're a nostritch. And then I believe you can get it on test flight for iOS, which is super cool. But this isn't the only thing that came up in the realm of private censorship-resistant communication. Jack Dorsey also just dropped something. You've heard of this, right, Gary? Yep. Bit chat.

B-chat. Bit-chat. Who are you gifting at? Who are you pitching at? Maybe poor choice of name. Bit chat, not bitch at. Okay, very good. But, you know, nonetheless, we'll let them mull over the name.

Maybe that'll shift. Regardless. So the block CEO, Jack Dorsey, and Twitter co-founder, he announced bitch at or bit chat. I'm just going to call it lit tits now. Perfect. Experimental peer-to-peer messaging app. doesn't require internet or even an account to work. So the long and the short of it is, by the way, he did post the link to the test flight.

There were 10,000 available slots. They were immediately gone, basically. So it's a peer-to-peer messaging app. It works entirely over Bluetooth mesh networks. No phone numbers, emails, Wi-Fi, or cellular connection required. So again, mesh networks is basically just communicating with near-dil. devices and being able to create your own kind of local internet. So that's a mesh network.

Alongside TestFlight, Dorsey also posted links to the project's GitHub, as well as for what he described as an ugly white paper describing protocol. So it says there a decentralized peer-to-peer messaging application that operates over Bluetooth, low energy mesh networks. It provides ephemeral encrypted communication without relying on internet infrastructure, making it resilient to network outages and. censorship. Again, so something like this, shouting back to the previous white noise, which is supported by the Human Rights Foundation, that's why something like BitChat is actually super, super useful,

because in some countries, they will, if you dissent and there's uprisings, they will just shut off the internet. And so something like BitChat literally, protects against those absolutely extreme circumstances. So while, and who knows, while this may not be the tool that like the average person uses day to day, it is the tool that can be used by human rights defenders and human rights dissidents living under tyrannical regimes around the globe, which is amazing to see.

And further to the thing on BitChat, Calais, who some of you may be, familiar with, creator of Cashew, which is Bitcoin-backed e-cash, super private,

you know, Lightning Native, super awesome. He ported the Android app over to iOS, or sorry, the native iOS app

over to Android and he used AI to do it. Amazing. Basically did it in half a day. Amazing. Yeah. So like,

you know, the bad guys can obviously use AI to try and track and do all this shit, but the good guys can also use AI to expedite the process of building tools that they can't fuck with. And I love this so much. It's great. I love it. And then the bad guys will come up with something else to try to get around it. I mean, this is how this works. This is how we all evolve back and forth, figure out how to get past the other party, the other party back at us. This is humanity. Yeah. Yeah. It's great to see, and I'm just so happy to see the building.

Builders building. And again, a lot of this, a lot of this stream has been about, yay, price. But like, this is the signal. This is the stuff that you want to do. The self-custy stuff. The new freedom tools. Like, this is where you want to be at. And I think it's super important to highlight this stuff. So, like, it's, you know, we can have fun, sit around and, and celebrate Bitcoin number go up. But, you know, at the end of the day, this is why we're here. Right. Yep, man. Exactly. They hopefully just freedom from the state, freedom to save, send your money, send information back and forth and interact with other humans without being stopped by a corporation or a government or whatever.

That's ideally why I got into Bitcoin years ago. It hit me and all those touch points and the number go up was a bonus. I'm not going to turn down number go up. That's nice. But yeah, this is supposed to be freedom money. So let's try to keep at it. Yeah, 100%. Now, Gary, the reason that I've killed

the screen here. I feel like you might have a little bit of a rant here because you told me something. He seemed a tad worked up and it sounds like you have a bone to pick. So I'm going to give you the floor here. What's bothering you, Gary? Well, you know, I found out a few days ago that there is a new steakhouse in New York, New York City, called the big. Oh, no, Gary, wait, wait, wait, do it again. You cut for a second. Oh, did I cut out? Can you hear me now? Yeah, yeah, you found out there's a new what? I found that there's a new steakhouse in New York City called the Bitcoin Steakhouse. I was very excited because I like Bitcoin and I like steak.

So, hey, let's go down and check it out. And the website looks beautiful. It looks like a nice place to go. So I called up just, you know, just for funsies to see if they will accept Bitcoin. And they do not. They call those with Bitcoin Steakhouse. They have the Bitcoin icon there. It's in the lettering.

It's on the website. It's on the big board outside. And they do not accept Bitcoin. There you go. There's the website. So, you know, I personally thought that was, what word would you use to describe that, Ben? Do I dare use? It's a bit of an affinity scam, is it not?

I mean, I'm not going to say, okay, let's, okay, I'm going to differentiate a little it here. So when somebody, a full on affinity scam would be like, we love Bitcoin, buy our shitcoin, right? And so you go in with Bitcoin, they take your Bitcoin and then you come out with something worthless. It's not exactly, it's kind of like in, it's a bit of an affinity scam, but at least you get delicious steak. They're not taking. The shitcoiners are taking your Bitcoin. They see the value there, but the Bitcoin Steakhouse that serves delicious steak is not taking your Bitcoin. And so like, okay, first off, we're not sending people there to like go and, you know, we're not sicking people on the Bitcoin Steakhouse. But what we are saying is that

the Bitcoin Steakhouse in New York needs to do better. And you need to learn how to accept Bitcoin. Yes. You know, like, so I looked at the website after you told me about this. And the funny thing that I found, I think I have, there we go. In 2024, Bitcoin Stick House, New York opened its doors in uptown New York, bringing a fresh twist to fine dining with a unique space inspired by the Bitcoin era. It combines glamour and innovation in every detail, except payments. Accept payments.

What are you doing? No, is, I mean, Well, you know, Ben, I am a, sorry, my mic keeps dropping. I'm going to scoot down low so I can talk into it. I am a bit coiner and because of that, I like to think in, you know, low time preference and long term. And I do not actively wish harm on anybody or any other business. You know, good for them. Let them try what they're doing.

And I would never, ever suggest something silly like a bunch of Bitcoiners show up and buy a whole bunch of stakes without bringing. in cash or credit cards with them and at the end of it, you know, tell them that, hey, I'm paying in Bitcoin. I would never wish that 50 Bitcorners show up at 3-775 10th Avenue in East Washington Heights at the 200th Street stop on the one train to go and do something like that because I, I'm try to be a good bit coiner and just wish the best for others. So I hope that they do take Bitcoin payments someday. And if the day comes that they do, I'll be more. happy to frequent them and champion them. The place looks nice.

I will say the place looks nice. I hope they have good steak. I wouldn't know because I can't go and buy one because I don't have dollars. But nonetheless, and side note, you know, if somebody, you know, takes Gary's facetious comments there and goes and does this, just tread carefully because you may be getting a ride back from the Bitcoin steakhouse and a police car. So just say it. I'm not suggesting anything to anybody.

I wish them well and I wish everybody here well. And that's it. Yeah. And just, yeah, again, with the best intent, Bitcoin Stakehouse, you know, Bitcoin Stakehouse, New York, you guys should for sure accept Bitcoin. And actually, you know what? If somebody from Bitcoin Stakehouse reaches out to myself or our team at Bitcoin Mentor, we will educate you how to do that for free. I'm going to make, I'm going to say that right now.

We will help you set up your Bitcoin payment system for free. So Bitcoin Steakhouse, New York, reach out to us. Here's what I'll do. Hold on a sec. Bitcoin Steakhouse, you need Bitcoin mentor. Ben, you're a better man than I. You're trying to be helpful instead of snark, which is all you're getting from me. So yes, good for you.

That's all right. That's all right. Yeah, yeah, I'd say reach out to us. We'll help you out. But hey, just to juxtapose this, the literal Bitcoin steakhouse in New York doesn't accept Bitcoin, but Steak and Shake does. So if you want your steak, go to Steak and Shake.

And they already said, what was this? It's already been a big success, they said, Payment success at Bitcoin 2025 conference. That's great. Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I was there with Ryan, also with Bitcoin mentor in Vegas. And we're like, hey, let's go hit up steak and shake because they accept Bitcoin. And we went on a 15 minute taxi ride over to steak and shake only to discover, no, it is not every steak and shake.

It depends on the specific franchise. And we ended up having to pay fee out at that one. They were very nice. They were trying to learn. It was my first time trying steak and shake. And actually, the food is pretty good. So yes, they accept it. but not all of them do. Yeah, yeah.

Well, we're going to work on that. Steak and shake, if you need some help, reach out to us. Yeah. Apparently, apparently also just on the payments thing, Emirates Airlines is looking to accept Bitcoin payments. Now, I'm not going to be too judgmental here, but they're doing it through crypto.com. But at least they're accepting it.

So, you know, baby steps. Baby steps. Yeah. Yeah. And just, again, I have to throw this in here because, yeah, we were talking about price the whole time. We're talking about accepting Bitcoin. We're talking about Bitcoin related companies. The shit coin of all Bitcoin related companies, of course, the second that Bitcoin has any amount of price movement, Coinbase is down.

So once again, delete Coinbase. Just a quick sidebar. I'm sorry to do the sports analogy, but I was telling you earlier, I used to be into NBA basketball. And there's a website called NBA draft.net where it's like all about which players might be getting drafted and what teams are going to take which player and their upcoming reads for how those players might fare in the NBA and who they compare them to the whole thing. And it never fails every single year on draft night itself, the one night where you actually want to go to NBA draft.net, the site crashes. It's like clockwork. And that's what this reminds me of. Oh, price goes up.

Coinbase is nowhere to be found. Yeah. As is tradition. I'd almost wonder what was going on if they did stay up. So who knows. Anyways, a couple last things here. I just wanted to share that Matthew Cratter, who was on the show last night, just released a new video today on how to mine Bitcoin at home.

Love Matt. Awesome, awesome, dude. The YouTube channel is Bitcoin University. But go give him a follow. Go watch the video. Super helpful. And again, if you need additional help on how. out of mine, Bitcoin at home, you can peruse the channel as well. We've got some tutorials here,

too. And in the same realm of tutorials, you know, all-time highs, you know, you're going to have friends and family asking stuff, but you don't want your friends and family to get scammed. So we dropped a tutorial earlier this week, just some of the most prominent scams that people fall prey to. So, you know, not only give that a watch, but probably share this with friends and that are Bitcoin curious or getting into Bitcoin or like relatively new to it. Even if they've been around for a while, it's worth being aware of these things because people get roped into this kind of stuff all the time. They plunk their life savings into it.

And then it's just poof. It's gone. And it's heartbreaking to see. I don't wish that upon anyone. So really help educate your friends and your family and yourself about common tactics that are used to try and separate people and their Bitcoin. Yeah, man. If I were Bitcoin curious and I wanted to shorten that up, what I call it by curious?

Is that the thing? I don't think that's what you're going for, but we'll just go with it. All right. Okay. Cool. Anyways, this has been a blast. Gary, thanks for jumping in in Nathan's stead. Nathan, of course, on a much-desert vacation, but he's still in the chat.

Nathan, take a nap. Nathan, you're on vacation with your family. I'm in Chad. I appreciate it, Nathan. Nathan's checking in to make sure I don't fuck this up too bad. So look forward to having Nathan back on. He's much smarter, more well-read than I am, and it'll be great to have him back on the show. But yes, thank you very much for inviting me. It was a pleasure to be here, Ben. Absolutely. Everybody that's been watching, much appreciate you guys. Tuning in. Of course, one last request, smash that like button.

It really, really does help and share this wherever you're watching, whether it be on YouTube, which banned me recently. So there's that. Or you could check us out on Rumble. that's a good place to watch. And of course, we stream live to X. And I do believe the Noster stream is still up and running as well. So you can check us out a whole bunch of different places. Anyways, with that, we are outy here. Gary, thanks for being here.

Everybody else, thanks for being here. And we'll see you guys next time. Keep stacking stats, but keep stacking your skills. I'm Ben with the BTC sessions. This is Gary, that way. And we'll see you guys next time for. your weekly session. See you guys.