BTC Sessions - Build Your BITCOIN CITADEL! Homesteading Revolution

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

Mentor Sessions Ep.006: Ready to break free from urban tyranny and build a self-sovereign life? In this episode of Mentor Sessions, Takota Coen, co-founder of Building Your Homestead, shares his journey from city life to rural freedom, sparked by an “orange pilling” encounter with Ethereum’s Joseph Lubin. With over a decade consulting on projects up to 30,000 acres, Takota reveals why people are fleeing cities for homesteading, the regulatory battles they face, and how Bitcoin fuels decentralized citadels. Discover practical steps to start homesteading, leverage your skills, and create a thriving community— all while resisting overreach. Perfect for Bitcoiners and freedom seekers alike!Tired of urban chaos and craving real freedom? In this episode, Takota Coen, co-founder of Building Your Homestead and a seasoned expert with over a decade on projects up to 30,000 acres, shares his inspiring vision on homesteading as a peaceful revolution to empower the individual. Discover why people are ditching cities, battling bizarre regulations (like rainwater bans), and choosing to opt out in decentralized citadels. Get practical homesteading tips to harness your skills, grow a resilient community, and resist overreach. Ideal for Bitcoiners, freedom lovers, and aspiring homesteaders!Video Highlights: • Takota’s Surprising Bitcoin awakening via Joseph Lubin • Urban density’s link to tyranny • Fighting absurd regulations • Homesteading as personal responsibility • Building sustainable citadels • Actionable homesteading tipsChapters: • 00:00:00 - Introduction: Urban Tyranny and the Homesteading Solution• 00:01:03 - Takota’s Orange Pilling Story• 00:05:05 - Why People Pursue Homesteading• 00:09:02 - Regulatory Challenges• 00:14:45 - The Philosophy of Homesteading• 00:18:00 - Building a Citadel• 00:31:02 - What is Modern Homesteading?• 00:45:06 - Practical Steps to Start: Vision, resources, and first systems. • 00:56:36 - Marketing Freedom Farms• 01:02:19 - Closing and Contact InfoConnect with Takota Coen: • Website: buildingyourhomestead.com • Explore one-on-one mentorship for designing your homestead.Schedule a Free Discovery Session with Nathan to learn more about how Bitcoin Mentor can Fast-Track your Bitcoin Education and Level Up your Self-Custody Security: https://bitcoinmentor.io/?fluent-booking=calendar&host=nathan-1712797202&event=30minStruggling to explain Bitcoin to friends and family without losing them to complexity or misinformation? Blockhunters - The Bitcoin Board Game is your solution—a fast-paced, strategic game crafted by Bitcoin enthusiasts to make learning about Bitcoin fun and effortless. Through real-world stories like the García family battling hyperinflation or Omar escaping the CFA franc system, players build a blockchain, protect private keys, and compete for block rewards in just 30 minutes. It’s the ultimate tool for orangepilling at meetups, game nights, or casual gatherings—no preaching required. Visit BlockhuntersGame.com and use code BTCMENTOR for 10% off to start sparking Bitcoin curiosity today!FREE Bitcoin Book Giveaway:New to Bitcoin? Get Magic Internet Money by Jesse Berger FREE! Click here: bitcoinmentororange.com/magic-internet-money BOOK private one-on-one sessions with BITCOIN MENTOR! Learn self custody, hardware, multisig, lightning, privacy, running a node, and plenty more - all from a team of top notch educators that I've personally vetted.https://bitcoinmentor.io/Subscribe to Mentor Sessions:Don’t miss out—subscribe and follow us: BTC Sessions: x.com/BTCsessionsNathan: x.com/theBTCmentorGary: x.com/GaryLeeNYC#BitcoinEducation #Cryptocurrency #BitcoinPodcast #BTCSessions #Homesteading #BitcoinCitadel #SelfSufficiency #RuralLiving #Bitcoin #Freedom #Decentralization #Podcast #MentorSessions #BTC

There is a perfect correlation between the amount of concrete and the amount of tyranny. The best way to fight it is just to make it obsolete. Litter, blaring siren, street drama, crowded loud, smelly subway. That was daily life in the big city, and it was generally worth it to me, until it wasn't. COVID lockdown sit and it all got a lot worse, vandalism, violence, and bureaucratic tyranny. I escaped with my family to the picket fence suburbs, but what if you want even more freedom. We're joined today by Dakota Cohen, co-founder and leading mentor of building your homestead, With over 10 years experience consulting on projects as large as 30,000 acres,

Dakota has helped people from all walks of life escape crowded streets, stifling regulation, and government mismanagement to live their values and build a Bitcoin Citadel. Going beyond Bitcoin to give you the insight and skills to escape the Fiatrix, this is Mentor Sessions. All right, good morning, Dakota. Thank you so much for joining us today. We are really excited to get into it and talk all about kind of building our own citadel and homesteading. But even before we dive into that, I heard that you had a really interesting kind of orange-pilled story.

So could you maybe kick us off and tell us, like, who was it that orange-pilled you? Who got you into Bitcoin? And what happened there? Yeah, absolutely. So I was in a roundabout way orange-pilled by the co-founder of Ethereum, Joseph Lubin. So I was about the back in 2020, a colleague of mine and I were approached to buy, you know, Joseph Lubin to do some consult. for, you know, building his homestead. And through that process, he would like us and kind of had more conversation.

He liked our vision about kind of basically building this decentralized, you know, world. And, you know, he seemed to be very freedom-oriented. We ended up a certain company with them. And, yeah, through that process of, you know, our vision statement was to create a new currency that would liberate humanity from the decay of our legacy financial systems. while regenerating Earth's ecosystem. So it was this whole idea where we were going to find a way to monetize the regeneration of agricultural land, basically using satellites and all this kind of stuff.

And sounded like just this incredible, this is my dream job. I was working on. Big aspirations. Big aspiration. Like this is what I was born to do. So we were working on like a 30,000 acre ranch, which was our kind of flagship project. And we were going to be training consultants and doing courses and all the stuff. And then around that time, it was like, okay, well, how do we build this, this cryptocurrency?

At the time, I had no idea that there was a difference between Bitcoin and crypto. I was pretty new to it. Although, before I started the company, I asked him one question, which was, how can we make sure that we don't just corrupt swap corrupt bureaucrats for corrupt technocrats? And he, so I had no idea what we were going to do, but I knew that from the little bit that I knew about cryptocurrency, that it had the potential. to be weaponized. And so, you know, as his response at the time was something like, well, it's, you know, philosophy and just, you know, kind of trust and something. In retrospect, it was what you'd expect from the co-founder of the biggest chip coin in the world. But anyways, I trusted these guys, moved out. I moved off my farm where I was homeborn and raised and moved

out there. I was managing or helping to manage one of their, several of their properties. And then when we finally go into the nuts and bolts of it, okay, so what are the, what are the, rules for this cryptocurrency, how are we going to make it? And I, you know, just thinking through base principles, basically came up with, okay, here's how the currency would have to be to make sure that it was fair and, you know, trustless. And again, I'm a dumb farmer. I didn't go to university. I have no understanding. But just I've done enough of, you know, sleuthing in the conspiracy world to understand that the Federal Reserve and all these other, you know, shit corn throughout history, how they've functioned. And so that kind of came up with that proposal.

also integrating and how do we actually, you know, make sure that farmers are going to be properly incentivized and stuff like that. And then kind of got, you know, approach the board with, with, you know, this proposal and kind of got put into a cupboard and then sort of asking more questions. And anyways, it went from like, this is my dream job to in a few months, holy shit, you guys are working for the World Economic Forum to literally build the weaponized financial system that I was nervous about and it was the whole thing blew up. But I am so grateful that I had an opportunity to do that because that's how I got Orange Bill. It sounds like they were so awful to work with it. Like it's like, oh my God, I have to like Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the only way.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That's absolutely incredible. Who would have thought to, right? And then now be in this position. Well, that's fascinating. That's awesome. So then moving along, but that's that's incredible. And I still don't even know what to say. That's Joseph Lewis. All right. So for someone that maybe is curious about homesteading, they've seen maybe some of your work or they've had this vision, right? They want to escape the urban cage. They want to get out of the concrete jungle. They want to have a better, more meaningful life and have more control over their life too. Because I think that's a big aspect for people is it's not even necessarily getting away from urban setters, even so much as just having more autonomy over your life as a whole. So I'm curious from the people that you work with. Maybe you've had some stories or experiences of like, why are people pursuing homesteading? Yeah, I mean, in a nutshell, there is a perfect correlation between the amount of concrete or asphalt in a given area and the amount of tyranny, like 100% correlation. And so, you know, bureaucrats or these looters, you know, they need their tax cattle in a nice, you know, easily manageable space where they don't have options, you know, the power, the water, the, all of the utilities, the, the food, everything can be just metered out and controlled.

And so at a certain point, you know, everyone bumps up against, you know, the, you know, they get red pill, or they see what's kind of behind the matrix. And, yeah, whether that's not being able to, yeah, raise chickens in your backyard or plant fruit trees, I know you're talking about online, you can't even plant a fruit tree in your yard. Or, you know, like literally rainwater. I've, you know, an old colleague of mine, you know, literally had to go before the court because he got caught harvesting rainwater in Calgary. And it turns out the pipes in your house, they don't even belong to you.

They brought them into court over rainwater. Yeah. And so it varies all over the world. But there's, you know, again, the more concrete, the more tyranny. And the less concrete or less asphalt, the less tyranny. And like we still, even though I'm out and, you know, I'm too. hours from the nearest city, or large city, we still are, it's, it's getting worse. Like, the bureaucracy is, is slowly spreading. And like literally, like my county, uh, which, again,

we're in the middle of central Alberta, probably one of the most conservative places in the world, like our county is sending out like notifications that just read like, you know, the World Economic Forum or the SDG Sustainable Development Goals, like blueprints. Like this, this agenda, whatever it is, agenda 2030, is literally infiltrating all aspects of our lives. It's starting the cities, you know, these 15-minute cities, but it's starting to spread. And so a lot of people woke up during COVID where they realized, holy crap, I don't even have autonomy over my own body, let alone, you know, my own backyard. And so we've seen a huge influx in clients, but even before that, there were signs in the wall

that the world was moving towards a more totalitarian state. And that, you know, my belief is that the way to fight this is not with, you know, bullets, ballots or, or, you know, petitions or pouting. It's by taking responsibility for yourself and your own basic needs and making the system obsolete by becoming a producer. And so that's really what I think, you know, is driving a lot of people to get out of the cities is because there's lots of people who are waking up to the totalitarian tiptoe that's happening. And they're just getting, you know, they're trying to change it in another means. The homesteading movement is really people who are like, this sucks. I want nothing to do with it. And I'm going to make a difference by changing my own life.

It really sounds like absolutely just taking complete personal responsibility for everything in your life. With Bitcoiners are taking responsibility for their money and their value and their value and their economic energy. This is like the other side of the coin. This is actually going ahead and building the Cilidale. And before we kind of pursue that a little bit too, I'm really curious. You talked about the even your county cracking down on you with what you can share. what are they upset about? Like what sort of things are they coming in

and giving you a hard time about? Well, so our first kind of run with them was six or seven years ago when we were harvesting our own animals on our farm. So like we raised grass-fed beef and milk fed fork. And we were selling that to consenting adults so that they wanted their animals

to be harvested on our farm in a totally stress-free environment as opposed to transporting them to an abattoir. that's, you know, an hour or two away. It's terribly stressful on animals. Like, like for every hour that you have an animal in a trailer, they lose like several percent of their body weight per hour. Like, it's like three or four percent of it.

They can lose hundreds of pounds in a day. Like, it's insane how stressful it is. Wow. It changes the taste of the meat, the nutrient density. There's tons of research on this. And just if you know, even if you know nothing about, you know, livestock, you can tell that these animals are terrified. They're around strange people.

They're in a strange environment. And so when we started to sell direct to consumer, because we had always harvested our own meat on our farm, so we kind of started engaging with the system and realized this is wrong. This is unethical. It's inefficient. It costs more. It's wasteful.

We couldn't, it was hard to even get our own meat back because you're dealing with these large packing plants that are centralized. And sometimes they would just lose half a cow, which is like thousands of dollars. And just like, oops, sorry. Yeah. Anyways, we're like, to hell with that. You know, we've raised their own meat on our farm for years.

You know, if you read the law, it's illegal to sell uninspected meat, but you can eat it yourself. And so it's like, great. So I'm going to sell people live animals. I'm going to rent them an acre of my land and I'm going to raise their animals on my land and I'm going to sell them live weight. And so they're going to become a producer like me and that should get around the whole thing. And we did that for several years.

somehow the bureaucrats found out about us. And yeah, they threatened us with a year in prison or a $10,000 fine. So at the time, I still had a little bit of status blooded me. So I decided I was going to get a petition together. And we actually got the law changed. Oh, good for you. But now the law is like it's getting worse again. And so now they want to come into inspections.

They want to test our well water. And they want us to do that. And so they're trying to turn every small farm into a, a packing plan. So all of these health and food safety laws, their only purpose is to protect the monopoly interest of large corporations like the packing plants or the raw dairies or the dairy board or whatever it is because they can't compete on a free market. And they do it under the guise of consumer safety. So that was the first one. And then more recently, just in the last couple years. It's illegal to grind up grain and put minerals or anything in it and then sell it to someone

else without a license from the government. So I can't make chicken feed in Canada without a license from the federal government. What? Yeah. And again, their justification is, well, you know, we have to have traceability. And so you have to keep track of every single sale of every bag of feed for like seven years. And you have to have these larger facilities and again, they're trying to use consumer safety

because what if there was an outbreak of something? But they're using that as a way to basically make it impossible for small producers to compete. And so, yeah, anyways, there's various ways that we've found around that.

But it is, like, according the laws that are on the book, you know, at the time that they, approached us without asking a question without asking without getting a warrant they could have come on with a SWAT team taking everything on our farm and there's nothing we could do that's that's how the way that the laws are written right now they didn't but they have that power and if you look at like it was like bill c 293 or whatever like they're calling it the the vegan bill that was just put in six

months ago or something i can you can you expand upon that i haven't even heard of this vegan bill yeah i can't remember the number but it's if you look up the vegan bill it's like bill c two 93 or something or 294, but basically the next time there's a pandemic, which is defined as however they want to define it, they have granted the preemptively granted themselves the permission

to close down anything related with animals. So butchers, abattoirs, they can basically just come in and shut down the food system for consumer safety. And so yeah, again, we can see

where the world is heading you know, some people would say that this is conspiratorial. I don't, to me, it's naive to not be aware that for all of recorded history, there have been various people and groups where their stated purpose has been to control the world. They used to do this with pen and paper and, you know, pigeons and horses. Now they've got supercomputers and drones and satellites. So it's a lot easier for them now. But I personally do believe that there is a conservative effort to,

basically turn the world into a goo leg and I want nothing to do with it. And yeah, that's, that's basically what, you know, I've spent my whole life up to this point, you know, fighting that system. And that's the cool thing about it. The best way to fight it is just to make it obsolete. Have fun, grow food, get more people into it. If you're enjoying this episode with Dakota, please do hit that like button. It really does make a difference. And now a quick message from this show's sponsor. Bitcoin gives you back your time. So why not spend it having a black orange-pilling your family and friends with the ultimate Bitcoin board game. Blockhunters is a fast-paced adventure that mirrors how Bitcoin actually works.

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Head to Blockhuntersgame.com by simply scanning the QR code or click the links below. Use promo code BTC mentor for 10% off. It's unbelievable. Like the amount of regulatory capture, and you're absolutely right. It's probably from lobbyists for the large centrally controlled food suppliers

and aggregate that are lobbying to have these consumer safety laws in place basically so they can completely wipe out any of the competition if they couldn't already just buy them off to begin with. And the fact, I couldn't get this out of my head is like, okay, you're being threatened with SWAT teams in prison for feeding people.

That was a crime. That's a crime. I'm going to give you some good, food and that's that's my that's my that's my slight against humanity it's not even like a victimless crime it's the opposite of a victimless crime it's like humanitarian efforts are being thwarted by what it sounds like in you're right it's this creeping totalitarianism and it's this Malthusian cult that also just pushing forward like there's too many humans there's too much energy it's just absolutely I could rant for hours Gary I'm curious if you have any any initial thoughts on this

I mean my initial thoughts are you know you're among friends here to Cota I mean I think we all sort of agree with this. And I mean, you know, your, you're, you're kind of pussy communist thing aside by going to try to work with the state. I'm not, you know, whatever. We'll put that aside for a moment. I learned my lesson. I'm not doing that anymore. And, and I really, I do appreciate what you're doing with homesteading and trying to get out. You know, you're trying to get out from under the yoke of the state by just kind of moving away, moving out of the system. I'm with you. And if I weren't such a lazy, lazy man myself. I'd be down with it too. I guess what I'm wondering is I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment here. Is there a long-term solution? And I say that because I do think you're right.

And you put it very well, better than I had ever thought about. The more concrete, the more tyranny. And that's what it comes down. And I've seen studies like this before where, you know, the more dense population of people, the more concentrated is, the more laws you have, the less freedom you have. and it changes voting patterns. And it seems to be the one big thing, even more than necessarily, at least in North America, more than necessarily religion or ethnicity.

It's just the more dense the population is, the more voting changes one direction or the other. But I guess to play devil's advocate, all right, we go and do the thing, we go do the homes that, move out to the countryside or wherever, we have much more freedom. Yes.

10, 20, 30 years down the line, my son, his son, are we just back again where we start? as more population comes in. And is there a long-term solution? And if so, what is it? I don't know. Absolutely. Fantastic question. So, like, my, my great, great-grandparents, you know, came over on a sailboat in the early 1900s. And, like, I literally have a picture of them living, like, a few miles away from where I am right now in, like, a hole in the ground dug into the side of a hill with, like, their ten possessions with them. And so, like, they left Europe because of the same, you know,

tyranny that was going on there and, you know, the religious persecution. and just insane tax. Like they had taxes on windows. They had taxes on if you had a beard or if you were a certain, you know, ethnicity, you had to pay for, it's just insane. Like all of history has been this, this, you know, progressive step towards more totalitarianism.

And so, yes, you're absolutely right. We keep making this mistake where, you know, we try to run away from tyranny. And, but ironically, those same people that fled to North America, what did they do? You know, they created the same set, They brought the same ideologies with them. You know, now it was like, well, in our region,

only Protestants are allowed or only the, these people. And we're going to, you know, tax farm them or the, you know, the, if you're a different color than us, you have to pick our cotton or whatever it is. And so I think that the shift that that's, you know, the new revolution is, is the internet. It's the age of information. And I think people are starting to realize that in the same way that it used to be. Or at one point, if you were to say, I don't think we should have a king, people would have thought, well, you're crazy.

There has to be a king because who's going to, you know, how is God going to talk to one guy and tell us all what to do? You would have been insane. I think we're moving to a stage where the idea that certain people or certain groups of people by spinning around in a circle three times and holding a golden staff and, you know, or putting a sword on, by doing some ritual, they can give themselves rights that no one else has.

I think very soon people are going to realize that's an insane idea. it's outdated. You know, we don't live in caves anymore. We, you know, we're not thinking that, you know, the weather can be manipulated by prayer. It can be manipulated, but by other things. And so I think that's what's going to change. Now, so yes, you're absolutely right. Us running out to the countryside is not going to change anything.

I really do think that this is, there needs to be a new renaissance that, and I think Bitcoin, you know, a lot of the information that's, that is just embedded in the Bitcoin ideology in the Bitcoin community is the hallmark of that. But yes, the one thing that Bitcoin doesn't solve, it fixes a lot of things, but it doesn't solve the political myth that certain people have the right to rule other. So I'm a, you know, I'm an anarchist or a voluntarist. Now, there's lots problems with that in terms of how do we create that change. But I think the only way is through this slow, decentralized, convincing people to voluntarily walk away from that system until we have ourselves, not even a majority. Just like the way I think about it is, like if you become a Jedi,

like if you can literally, you know, you're composed, you're educated, you can speak well, you've got FU resources. One Jedi is worth, you know, thousands of, you know, droids or these, these NPC characters. And you can see it. Like, you know, if you're like, you know, there's, there's a great book called Never Split the Difference. And he's a 25 year old or 25 year FBI hostage negotiator. And that guy goes through tactics where he's literally talking to terrorists, people who are raping, murdering, cutting people's heads off. And through basically becoming a Jedi and just learning how to communicate with people, he's getting these guys to turn themselves in. And so I truly believe that the way out of this is this kind of renaissance where people become, you know, my goal is, you know, rich, regulated, ripped, well read, and then reproducing.

Nice. And when we when we do that, it's only a matter of time before things start to shift. No, I completely agree. And what you hit on this idea that like it doesn't take a majority to move the needle. It just takes even a small plurality. it's an informed minority, right? And even just going back to that parado distribution, the people that are going to have more influence over their community,

especially if you look at something like a Bitcoin standard, are going to be the producers, right? So if you want good beef and good milk and you need some good chicken feed and you're coming to Dakota, and he's telling you basically the rules for how we're going to compose ourselves and you're going to pay them in Bitcoin, then that's going to move the majority of people because ultimately it's the volunteerism lines up with everybody's self-interest, right?

And so it'll hopefully progress, but that's a very interesting point. Gary, your thoughts on that? No, I mean, listen, it all sounds great. I really hope that that is the way it is. I don't know. I think being a student of history is important, and I've no doubt that you're a student of history. I've just seen people in my own personal life who identify themselves as libertarian, I'm for freedom. And then, you know, the second, there's the possibility of a pandemic or a disease, all of a sudden, that goes at the window. Lizard brain takes over. And like, wait a minute.

I thought we were with the thing and no, you're not. It's soul crushing. And so this is where like, like just education and getting people to really understand, like, no matter what comes through those gates, we have to hold to these print. Whether it's asteroids or aliens or, you know, space aids or whatever it is. Space aids, it's tough, man. There is never like, yes, there are risks in the real world, but us giving rights to certain people that no one else has can only.

make things worse. Like even if those things are legitimate, which again, I would say that they aren't because that's just racketeering is how we got into this in the first place. Even if the threat is legitimate, the best way to solve it is in this decentralized voluntarious manner. And I think that's it is we just have to hold those principles. And yeah, maybe a few of us have to get burned at the stake or whatever it is to, you know, to- Can that be you? Because I don't want to do that. I don't either. But, I do think that, you know, you look at guys like Martin Luther King or Gandhi or, you know, these are just individual, and they were flawed.

They had their own issues, but they made massive change in their lifetimes. Sadly, they were still status. And they didn't want freedom. They just wanted their group to have some control. And so all we have to do is just like take a lot of their tactics that worked, combine it with this very logical common sense principle that, you know, don't hurt people, don't take their stuff, no matter what. And that's it. And we're out of this. And so, but, but again, when we look at it, there is, you know,

the average person has 10,000 hours of state indoctrination. That's how much time you spend in, you know, K to 12. And if you read, you know, books like Robert Green's mastery, how long does it take to become a master at something, 10,000 hours? And so, you know, we have our work cut up for us, but I still think So one of my favorite authors is Einrand. You know, she wrote Atlas Shrug and many other incredible, I guess. Where do I get one of those cups, sir? I have a second one if you want me to mail it to you.

Please do. I don't you can see it. I guess it's cut out, but there's Atlas Shrug is on the front and center on the back there. Our company used to be called Building Your Gulch. Of course it was. I was waiting for that. No one knew what building a gulch was.

we had to change it. But anyways, she said the saying that, you know, one reason is better than 10 insults. And I would add to that and say, and one question is better than 10 reasons. That's that kind of,

you know, the Jedi trick of just getting someone to introspect. But more than that, one exemplary action is better than 10 questions. And so when, like, there was not a person in this world that could come for, spend a day with me in my homestead, have a meal where everything was made from the farm,

like everything, and not be changed. So it's like, I think that's how the revolution is going to, it's going to taste better. It's going to, you know, you're going to have more free time. You're going to have more wealth. And we're just going to be able to convince people through just showing a better way. But we have to, we have to be whole to our principles. And sadly, like, you know, I'm sure you guys were in the same. I was just devastated with this last, you know, selection run in the states where just how many titans in the Bitcoin space seemingly just forgot their principles and that Bitcoin is, you know, basically, the best I've seen on Bitcoin was, you know, we need to stop asking the question, will governments continue to allow Bitcoin to exist? And we need to

start asking the question, will Bitcoin allow governments to exist? And now it was, how do we how do we get the Bitcoin's strategic reserve and forgetting all the whole curve behind it. But regardless, I think it's still fantastic because great, we have another four years and they're already showing within the first month. It was clear that everyone got rug pulled and you can't trust the state. And so they are their own worst enemy. Evil has the seeds within it or seeds of destruction within it.

We just need to hold to our principles. and it's only a matter of time before people are going to join us. And the flip side of that is, you know, I call this my, basically, there's no downside. You know, if you look at the, I can't remember, what was the, what's the triangle for the religious thing of like, does God exist or does God not exist? Oh, I don't know this. Yeah. There's a, shit, I can't remember any of it.

Anyways, it's like, basically, it was a reason for like why you should believe in God. And it's because, well, if he does exist and you believe in him, you go to head. heaven, but if he doesn't exist, like, there's no downside. I'm not a religious person, but it's, uh, it's an interesting. Louis? Uh, no, I can't remember. Anyway, I, I feel like there's like a theoretical question. I never knew but like a triangle, but like, uh, yeah, you, or you're only hurting yourself if you don't believe in God. It's something like that. And I, and I'm an atheist to myself. So yeah, full disclosure. And I think like, Chris Rishen destroyed that, that myth where basically it's like, well, if, if God doesn't exist,

or if God does exist, I can at least claim you didn't show me enough evidence. Versus like to believe in something out of fear is far worse. But anyways, the... Oh, Pascal's Wager. There you go. Thank you, Gary. That's it. I'm done.

You guys get the rest of the podcast. So if you, I call it the permaculture wager, the homesteading wager, which is like, so what happens if you had a crystal ball and you can look into the future and nothing you did made a goddamn difference? like there was an asteroid or space aides or something was going to come in and wipe us all out you know what's the one thing that you can do that will benefit you no matter what happens and it's homesteading it's it's taking responsibility it's living a good life um you know becoming a producer and even if yeah the whatever the the status overrun us or china invades or whatever

there's certain things that are outside of our control but the one thing that i keep coming back to that solves all the world's problems and that even if it makes no difference whatsoever out want to do anyways always comes back to homesteading, just taking personal responsibility, becoming a producer. And so that's why I keep landing on this thing. And I haven't found a reason to stop doing it yet. No, it's a beautiful sentiment because you're absolutely right, because it's a sense that even though you might lose, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try. Like, it's the same argument like, well, if you get rid of the state, we have a nice volunteer society, eventually the biggest game will just take over and then become a state again.

It's like, yeah, but we have that right now. So there's nothing to lose by trying to minimize shrink or even possibly completely get rid of it. And even going back to the like, it's just, it's wonderful simple kindergarten logic too. It's like, can we just have like don't hit people and don't take their stuff? And the nice thing is at least with our savings and with our purchasing power with Bitcoin, we've got the don't take their stuff taken care of, right? As long as you're properly self-custitting, as long as you've got control over your keys, they can't take that. Now they can take your farm, they can take your land. And we still have to deal with the violence.

this idea of living by example that you're talking to, I think is really powerful because you're right. Nobody hears what you say over what you do. And that really is the biggest thing for pushing these sort of things forward. So with that, Dakota, if someone, one, I've kind of two questions. One, what is homesteading in the modern age kind of, what does it kind of necessarily look like? Because whenever the word initially comes up, I really just picture like going out west and putting up a fence and this is my plot now, right? I'm going back a couple of years, but I'm curious, what is homesteading in the modern age? And then following from that, how do people get started?

What's the, what's the initial steps? Yeah. Yeah. So for me, like, for a lot of people, homesteading is gardening, canning, you know, having chickens, you know, fruit trees in the backyard, making your own soap. To me, that's not, right, that can be part of homesteading, but it's not what it is for me. So homestead is defined as a plot of land.

It doesn't matter the size, but a plot of land that's for the purpose of maintaining a family. Okay. That's what a homestead is. So you could do this in an urban environment. We've already talked about why you might not want to do that because I wanted to actually come back to that. The reason why there's a perfect correlation between concrete and tyranny is because of the network effect. The more people, like you said, the more population density you have, the larger the network. And so the more incentive there is for someone to come and co-all- hijack it.

I jack the network, right? And so this is why we have to get the F out of the cities is because it's this giant just, you know, bait that's just waiting for someone to come and take. All the infrastructure is there. And also the way their cities are designed, they're really unworkable. And so, yeah, it's not to say that we won't have cities or communities in my utopian ideal of the future, but they're not going to look like the cities of today. with these just fiat skyscrapers that take, you know, a million dollars in year in AC budget, air conditioning budget just to keep them operational, otherwise it'd be inhabitable. Like we can design our buildings and our infrastructure way more efficiently.

So, yeah, homesteading to me is more about this philosophy of personal responsibility, freedom, productivity. And that really is what drove, you know, homesteaders in the past was to, you know, get away from the tyranny, go out west. but they brought some of these these ideologies with them that that corrupted the you know wherever they went and so that's really what homesteading is for me is is is how do we the new frontier there's nowhere off we can run we can't fight these people they can literally control the weather and and have satellites that can stop your heart from space and you know they have you know basically voice of god technology you think these are all conspiracy there you can literally look them up they're

all like on the books. I've learned better than to doubt things. It's just wait a couple months at this point. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So we can't shoot our way out of this. And even if we did shoot our way out of it, there's only two outcomes.

They would either use it as a justification to come down with the hand of, do you see these violent people? This is why we need to have more budget for the military. So we've just become a justification for more power. Or worse, we'd win. But the only way we could win is to become more aggressive and more violent than them. Network effects take over. All it takes is one guide.

So we can't fight our way out of this. We can't vote our way out of it. There's no way left to run on the planet. The only option is to become basically Jedi's and just withdraw from the system and, you know, try to build a better, better life. And so that whether whoever it's the Chinese or the or our own states that eventually comes, we can use logic and reason to convince them. Hey, like, you know, wouldn't you like to live like this too? Now, again, that seems far-fetched, but I just don't see another option. So for me, that's what homesteading is.

You know, Ayn Rand defined art as a recreation of the world, not as it is, but as it should and could be. And that's what good art does. It pulls something out of people that makes them want to be better than they are. And so that's in essence what I see homesteading is. It is an attempt to recreate the world. it, however small the microcosm, you know, so like the way that I manage my animals and the way that I interact with my ecosystem is not as a dictator where I'm going around and, you know,

locking animals up and, you know, hurting them if they don't obey me and, and, you know, poisoning thing. It's like you can, that's what modern agriculture is. It's this, this fight to solve two problems. How do I kill this thing that wants to live? And how do I keep this thing alive that wants to die? That's what industrial agriculture is. On our farm, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, partner with natural ecosystems, every animal on my farm is treated in such a way that if the roles were reversed, I would rather live on an animal as an animal on my farm than as an animal in the wild. That's my metric for care of every organism on my farm. And so when people come to our farm, it's a microcosm of the world that I would like to see

this larger, in a larger state. And so people, they see that. Like, I've had truck drivers that probably can't even read or write when they're dropping a loader and they get out and wow, this is really nice. What do you guys? They can just feel the difference of it. And so that's how, that to me, what homesteading is. So yeah, it is, you can do that through canning and gardening and fruit trees, but you can also do that in a apartment in downtown Calgary with, you know, maybe a couple of plants in your self-facing window.

but you just have that ideology, even if you don't have the plants, you can be coding and working on BIPs for the network that embody this kind of philosophy of freedom and abundance and productivity. So, yeah, that's to me what this new homesteading movement is all about. And I think it's actually really dangerous. A lot of the modern homesteading is driven towards self-sufficiency, where people are like trying to get back to the Stone Age where like we do everything ourselves and it's it's ridiculous it's it's it's completely unsustainable it's a terrible quality of life I don't want

to live like a surf where I have to make my own clothes and I think specialization the division of labor technology I'm not a lot by any means the and so there's there's a lot of the homesteading space where it's just these influencers that have hundreds of thousands, you know, that have a cabin up in the Yukon. And that's that to me, it's interesting. Maybe there's some things we can learn from that. But yeah, that that's not what what I mean when I talk about homesteading. So you're fine with somebody trying to pursue this philosophically within an urban space. It's just you tend to be away from urban spaces simply because of the fact that it's just much harder to do. There's much more state oppression in urban space. It's just really hard. Yeah. And,

And I mean, not even that. Like, it's just, it's so expensive to live in the city. Like it, and yeah, the quality of life is hard. And they're going to keep jacking up those prices. And yeah, there's downsides. You have to shovel your own, you know, driveway in the, in the countryside and deal with your own garbage. But that actually changes the way you live.

And now you don't produce as much garbage because you got to deal with it. And so, yeah, I do think people are going to tend to want to get out of the cities. but why not buy a small or get a bunch of people to get together in these small hamlets that are all over the countryside and kind of take over a little town, or not takeover, but you know, get in there and still work as a community where everyone still has their own private property. Maybe you're next to a farm that's actually producing something. And this is what our ultimate dream with our company building your homestead is we want to literally design these citadels where it's essentially like a large farm. with, you know, these, like a community around it or some, you know, manufacturing or industry where, again, not everyone should farm. Everyone should garden. Everyone should try to grow something

because it's, I think it's just changes who you are as a person. But, you know, we still need to have the economies of scale and all those things. Yeah, I was going to ask about that because I was looking through your website and I'm seeing these amazing, beautiful, you know, locations where people have their home and their farm. They raise their animals. And you know, you have your rainwater. It looks gorgeous. And I'm glad that you're saying like, hey, listen, we still understand specialization, economies of scale.

Like the idea of one person doing all of these different jobs is a little, I don't want to say crazy, but it is a lot. Because I was thinking to myself, I mentioned earlier how lazy I am. I mean, my day job is an actor. I've managed to skate by life by just saying words other people right. It's been great so far. you should try it every day is a Saturday it's wonderful that said i wonder for somebody like myself where would i even begin how long would this take me to learn how to do all these things and how

does your company help with yeah yeah well i mean first off like we still need actors nobody needs actors i don't even need actors gary when bitcoin's at a million dollars i'm still going to need entertainment that's right yeah yeah i mean it's it like and i think that's that's that's the is like is when people think of this homesteading it's like well I have I have to get do everything myself and be totally self-sufficient it's no my one of my biggest things is I say you specialize before you diversify so I do think that people should have more than one skill set just for lots of reasons you know quality of life it's fun and and you start to you start to combine different skill sets you come up with these emergent properties or

technologies or ideas that no one's ever thought of before so there's many reasons for why you shouldn't just, you know, only, you know, screw this bolt into this car for 25 years. But we still will have people who are that specialized for certain things. But once you're really good at that and you're making money, you know, don't pay that money to the government in taxes, start a business where you can basically funnel the profits of one enterprise into the startup of the next one. they just keep doing that. But only when the one thing is is optimally scaled and actually profitable. I can't remember where I read it. I think it was one of Murray Rothbard's book,

but he talked about in the golden age, at the turn of the 19th century where like the Industrial Revolution was at its peak before the, you know, the Fed got brought in. The, and I've never been able to find the quote, but it was something to the effect of like the optimal size of a factory that

they found was like 20 people. I think I read that. similar. Yeah. And like, and it was just like this like nugget and I've wanted to find like more work on that. But like working for other companies in the past, I think there's truth to that. And like a lot of these, you know, massive thousand persons companies where people are, it's just a giant Fiat money game where they can sell it to the next big tech company or into the next big tech company. And so like when we think of like the specialization and like I don't think it's going to be, you know, Elon Musk's, you know, Tesla factory. I think a lot of that.

is just Fiat bullshit that isn't profitable. It's not efficient. It doesn't actually accomplish what we're trying to do. But it's because there's just a money printer behind it, you can get away with these insane engineers wet dreams. And so, yeah, I really do think that we are going to have factories and technology and specialization. But it's going to look so different than what we're seeing right now. And the way to, you know, Bitcoin does fix that. When it comes to font, farms, they are going to be very different than what we are now. I do think that smaller farms, there's Wendell Berry had this idea that there's an eye to acre ratio. And that when that ratio gets too high, so like basically the amount of eyes to the

amount of acres. And because, you know, there's another saying that the best fertilizer for a farm is a farmer's footprint. And so it's really true. Like the ability to manage and observe and make subtle changes as a manager and a farm, that is what separates a good farm from a great farm. And so we will have these smaller, more integrated, more synergistic ecosystems. You know, I've got lots of videos on my YouTube channel where I talk about how, you know, the waste stream of one enterprise literally becomes that, you know, the product of another ecosystem. You know, there's, there is no pollution in ecosystems because, you know, everything becomes used by something else. And so that's the kind of systems that we're designing on farms. And that's

our specialty. But beyond that, like this greater vision that I see is really this, you know, decentralized freedom movement that, you know, we want to play our small role in and basically designing the perfect agricultural systems. But there's going to be manufacturing and appropriate scale technologies plugged into that as well. Are you still keeping your Bitcoin on the exchange? Are you confident in your current Bitcoin setup? At Bitcoin Mentor, we've helped hundreds of people level up their security and fast track their Bitcoin understanding. If you find that you say we don't have time to go through other tutorials, the books, and the guys. You can book a free strategy session with me by simply scanning the QR code or clicking the link in the description down below.

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Am I going for maybe some small livestock? Tell me, how do I get going and start building my skills and building out? Yeah. So the first thing I would do with all my clients is we clarify their vision, values, and resources. So what do you want? What do you have and what's right? And for a lot of people, they shouldn't start a farm. And they, beyond, you know, starting a garden or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, you can garden. But they shouldn't try to make their living, produce. food for other people. So the analogy that I give is, is like, farming is really sexy right now. Like, it's, it's becoming like the new niche thing. Like, it's, it's like celebrity chefs were kind of like 10 years ago. It's, that's the new thing. And but, like, thinking that someone could become, like, a farmer, just like, you know, in a, in a year or two, is, like, the same as if you were to watch all the seasons of Grey's Anatomy and then think you could become a doctor in, like, do brain surgery or heart surgery. Like, it's, farming is an incredibly

complex, multifaceted approach. And so you would never, even if you want to become a brain surgeon, you don't start by cutting open people's heads. There's a lot of foundational skills that probably take a decade before you actually get to cutting.

First you've got to cut up dead rats and then maybe live rats and, you know, slowly progress towards that. But I think so farming is a lot of the same is if your goal is to create, make a full-time living farming, And for some people, that makes sense.

Then, yeah, it's going to be probably a five-year transition from whatever skill set you're at to get into that, just like any business. Which is why I say you should specialize before you diversify. So don't drop whatever skill set you already have that you've already spent a lifetime doing. You know, Gary's an actor. You know, Nathan, it sounds like you've got a lot of tech skills. Those are incredibly, you know, valuable. I'm working with a woman right now in the States who's designing my new farm website. and she's an absolute genius, but she specializes in, like, building freedom farm websites.

And so, like, yeah, how can you apply the skills that you've already got? Even if you're a, you know, a bookkeeper in, you know, working for some kind of status organization or whatever, there's, I guarantee you there's skill sets that you can transfer over, start a business there, and then start to, once that's profitable, you start to branch out. And so yes, once you get to the first stage of, okay, I'm ready to actually move out, buy some land, get things going, then, yeah, we have a whole process for that. It starts with water access, structures, fencing, flora, fauna, business technology and soil. We call that our order of operations because the things at the top are harder to change and the things at the bottom. And so, yeah, we generally focus on all those things. But of course, there's accept. to that where, you know, say you wanted to, you buy a raw piece of land, there's no house, there's no nothing on it. You want to keep your house in the city. I have clients who are doing this. And they're working their Fiat job as a sole proprietor. But they've started some kind of a farm business. And basically, as they make money at their Fiat job, they're able to offset their tax burden by starting the next business, even though they don't live on the farm because they're

developing infrastructure. They've got a business plan. And they're literally building a home with money that would have otherwise been stolen from them. That's cool. That's pretty sweet. But you can do the same thing if you're, if you're a, you know, work on spreadsheets right now and you want to go to becoming a tradesman and a plumber, you can do the same thing. You can slowly start to, you know, cash flow that business through the profits of your own. You know, I run multiple businesses through my person. And one of the reasons for that is because it allows me to do this very flexible, you know, tax management.

So I don't pay taxes, even though I'm doing everything. Oh, it's glorious. It's glory. But part of that is a quality of, is I don't live a high role in lifestyle. I don't do a lot of recreational things. All I do is work, but my work is what I love. And so I'm able to write everything off completely legally. And I just keep building these enterprises.

And it's just, it's so much fun. So I guess that's kind of a long answer for your question, but it really depends on, again, what you want, what you have, and not just your tangible material capital, it's your experiential capital, it's your intellectual capital, it's your, you know, your spiritual capital. Farming is a very physically demanding enterprise, and if you aren't in good health, you might need to spend a couple of years investing in your health that's building up your physical strength or fixing diet or stuff like that. But it's totally doable. Some of the, I would say, the worst farmers I've ever encountered come from the city,

but the best farmers come from the city too because they don't have any bad habits. Right? And so when you don't come in with, oh, well, this is the way you raise cows because that's the way that my daddy did, my granddaddy. And, you know, it's like you can just come up, come at it from a clean slate. What's the best way to raise livestock? And you just start from those first principles. But, like I said, a lot of people come from the city with these rose-colored glasses. They've watched all of Joel Salton's videos and read all of his books, and they think they can

just jump into it and be a profitable farmer, and they just get screamed. And so, yeah, you have to go slow and be methodical and get your diploma in the school of hard knocks. But again, there's a way to do that deliberately where, like, I have a budget every year for my for research. And the purpose is to like to do the, what's the craziest thing that if it works, it would change my life. But if it doesn't, whatever, I just paid $10,000 less to the government.

I don't, I don't care. Like that's a business expense. And everyone's going to thresholds are going to be different for that. But it's really fun. Once you've got a profitable enterprise and whether that's a fiat job or, you know, raising pigs or whatever it is or starting with smaller animals first, Once that's profitable, your freedom just goes up exponentially because you can now start to cash flow your own enterprises and do all kinds of crazy stuff like that. I'm curious and it might not be doable, but with the kind of economies of scale that are in play with farming as well too, is it possible to even if you want to pursue it?

But he didn't want to pursue, maybe you still work the Fiat job, but you didn't want to pursue farming for productive and for business purposes. is there some livestock that actually does make sense that you could have like a few on site that would be just for family purposes? Like so for example, would it make, would it ever make sense if I had a small little plot of land to just buy like a steer or two from you each year and then I'll just let them fatten up on my land and then go to take care of afterwards? Potentially.

But the problem is like just the amount of capital required to have that that steer. You know, you got to have perimeter fencing. And you can do it on the cheap and there's lots of people that are doing that. what they don't show you in those YouTube videos is when that cow gets out and they have to chase it, you know, all night and the cows freaking stressed out of its mind. I've also had lots of clients that don't take my advice where it's like, do not get any animals until you have perimeter fence around your entire property that's bomb proof. Because if they do get out of wherever their temporary enclosure is, it's a nightmare.

So, yeah, I would say there is a threshold for something like that. I think that's where I say not everyone should farm, but everyone should garden. Like the amount of income that you can generate on a, you know, it's like a 25 by 30 inch bed. I know farmers that are netting like, you know, $500 to $1,000 on a, you know, a 30 inch wide by 20 foot or 50 foot wide bed when they're selling it to market. Now, you're not going to be, you know, growing that much lettuce, but to offset your vegetables,

a hundred percent. Gardening is, there's, yeah, there's no more profitable thing you could do in your own backyard. And also it's the most nutrient-dense way

to get vegetables, if you're going to eat them. If you're going to eat them. But about eggs? Eggs, there are ways you could, you could do that on the, that are less expensive.

Of course, there's a joke, like the homesteader space where it's like, they got sick of buying, you know, $10 dozen eggs. And so they started buying

$1,000 dozen eggs. doesn't but but the problem with that is they're only looking at the cost of the eggs they're not looking at the like for every pound of if you feed your chickens a pound of grain they produce a pound of fertilizer and to buy fertilizer which you need to garden

cost less than the chicken or cost more than the chicken feed and so you start to get these synergistic effects when you design the ecosystem right where you get one plus one equals 10 because those chickens are providing fertilizer, providing eggs, they are eating your food scraps. They're helping clean up pests around the yard.

A lot of my clients in the States have terrible tick problems where they can't even go outside because they're afraid they're going to get, you know, just swamped by these ticks. They can, you know, a few chickens can, you know, turn over like a cubic meter of compost and they can eat weeds and bug. all kinds of stuff. And so when you start to factor all that in and you buy good infrastructure

that isn't made of duct tape and pallets, that actually will last a long time. Yeah, you can amortize that over 10 or 15 years and it actually pays for itself for some of that infrastructure. But for cows, I think there is a certain economy of scale with that. So yeah, smaller animals, chickens, rabbits, maybe some ducks. I know a lady who keeps bees in Calgary. and she has the most phenomenal honey because she keeps her bees at the center of the city where they can't get out to the industrial egg land on the periphery and so there's no canola in the honey

so it's phenomenal. Oh, interesting. She's keeping bees like on top of buildings. She'll go to like restaurants or like kind of hipster businesses and basically keep a beehive up there. Can I put a box on your roof? Yeah, yeah. It's called apiars and bees for communities right in Calgary.

She's a wonderful lady. Yeah, interesting because it'd be mostly, I've mostly planted flowers in the area as well, too, which would have an impact on the flavor. Yeah. Yeah. It's glorious honey. It's pretty much the only honey that I'll buy that's made in Alberta because any honey anywhere else is just canola, which is terrible honey. Yeah.

You know, you were talking about how one thing feeds into the other, you know, the chicken seed grain. They produce fertilizer, which is going to be cheaper than fertilizer you buy. And there's these sort of like network effects all throughout. And it all sounds great. And, you know, we're talking here. We're kind of, I think we're all pretty similar politically. philosophically, we're coming from a certain perspective. But it sounds like that's something you could market to people who are very much environmentalists, conservationists, who may not necessarily

share some similar politics. And I guess I'm wondering, do you find, do you try marketing to sort of different groups of people in that respect? And do you find some of your clients or maybe, I don't know, sort of libertarian ANCAP types, but also you're going to find the hippie-dippy types. Is it a mix? Just curious. Yeah, yeah, it is a mix, although like over the years, you know, our clients have kind of self-filtered because I am vocal about what my values are. And so, you know, the customers that don't resonate with that or see me as a danger to their health will just, you know, self-select out. But yeah, there are lots of my customers. I'm sure that we wouldn't align 100% on. But that doesn't, I think the core value is, is, you know, this freedom and, and a deep understanding that our well-being is dependent upon the well-being of our ecosystems.

And so it's not, like, because there's environmentalists who are like, you know, kill all the people and lock them in smart cities. Sure. Yeah. I mean. Those are definitely not my clients. But then there's other people who realize, hey, like, I want my kids to have, you know, a place to actually go out and. catch butterflies. And so therefore, I'm going to buy food from a farm that doesn't use chemicals. Yeah. And so, yeah, those are the people that I'm I'm attracting.

That's great. And yeah, we've got a phenomenal customer base. And I would say, like, as, if someone is interested in starting, you know, a farm business like this, it seems really daunting until you realize all you need is like 30 to 50 families that you are friends with. that buy a half pig and a quarter of beef every year for the rest of their lives. That's it. You don't need a lot of customers. And so back in the early 1900s, I think it was 1930s when there was a census, a third of the population in Canada was involved in agriculture.

Now it's less than 3%. And now basically a third or more of the population in Canada is involved in some way, shape or form the bureaucracy. So we've done this complete. Yeah. Switch, right? And the public, the euphemism of the public sector. And so there is a, there is a massive, we need a lot more farmers. And even if you think about that, like, so like one person can feed three people, that's nothing. Like our farm feeds hundreds of people and we're not even a large farm and we're not even as, you know, integrated and profitable and productive as we could be because we're still trying to regenerate our ecosystems.

I'm kind of a mad scientist that spends too much time, you know, thinking of new experiments rather than producing, you know, focusing on production for its own sake. But yeah, there are ways that you can be profitable as a small farm if that's what you want to do. But again, maybe you shouldn't do that. Maybe it actually is more profitable for you to get out of the city, get a small homestead, do the low-hanging fruit, and then still buy your beef and, you know, your pork and your larger things from someone else. but start an orchard, you know,

harvest your own fruit. We have like 15 different kinds of berries that we grow on our farm. And they're phenomenal. Like it's eating like sour skittles. Like they're just the flavor they're out of this world. I planted a massive experimental orchard last year where I basically got, you know, dozens of different varieties of apples and pears and plums

just to see what's going to grow. Yeah. Right? That can be a business expense. That's a research orchard. that someone could put in with money that's otherwise stolen from them. So yeah, I do think there is, there's many ways that you can get involved in this homesteading space, but it doesn't have to look like, you know, and making your own soap and going back to the Stone Age.

That's absolutely wonderful. Thank you, Dakota. And I just, I really like this idea of like, don't pay taxes, plant trees. It's just experiment trees. Go ahead and do it. It's wonderful. I have so many experiments. now. That's another thing I would say is, is, so I've never voted in my life, but every time

there's a voting, you know, whatever election, whether it's local or provincial or federal, on that day, I go out and plant trees. Nice. That's great. As like, as a way to just to market of like, you know, I'm putting this, this oak tree or this black walnut or this, this, you know, apple tree in. And, yeah, I really do think that there's a, there's another saying that's like, society has become great when old men and women plant trees under whose shade they will never sit. And that's, yeah, that's, that's a big part of what drives me is this idea that, you know, that oak tree I just put in the ground is not for me. It's, it's for my, you know, my grandkids. That's wonderful. Dakota, it also sounds like every single homestead community could use one good

accountant. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Like the, I am, my farm accountant is, is one of the, you know, most valuable relationships that I have. And he's, he's a freedom-minded individual. And again, we're not breaking any, like, there's very elaborate, you know, tax evasion schemes out there that I don't agree with that are, yeah, basically I think there's scams. But I'm literally following, I'm just running a business. And, you know, you only pay taxes on your profit as a sole proprietor. I don't know what it's like if you're doing incorporated stuff because I've never done that. But, yeah, when I was working for, you know, the Joe Lubin there, I was making. a lot of money and he that all that money as much of it as I could got funneled into my

my farm even though that was a fiat job that's great that's incredible beautiful dakota well thank you so much for sitting down talking with us today where can people go to learn more about you your business and everything you guys are doing yeah so our website is building your homestead dot com and yeah our our vision is to help homesteaders everywhere to buy design develop and manage land and we do that through one-on-one mentorship so we really like to work with people in a close environment. We're not doing courses and kind of group coaching. Yeah, we want to do that one-on-one mentorship so that if someone does want to move towards that, you know, there's good, fast, and there's cheap. And so we're trying to focus right now on

people who want good and fast. And so, yeah, it's not necessarily affordable for everyone, but for those people that have the resources that want to get started on their Citadel, that's the kind of clientele that we're working for. If you enjoyed this episode, please do like, share, and subscribe, and check out the previous episode on Personal Security for Bitcoiners above.