BTC Sessions - Iyah May: Doctor-Turned Viral Singer Refuses Censorship (And Discovers Bitcoin?)

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Mentor Sessions Ep. 050: Iyah May Risks It All With Karmageddon - Exposes Big Pharma, Fiat Inflation, Goes Independent, and Gets Live Orange-Pilled on BitcoinWhat if a trained doctor walked away from medicine, signed a major label deal—then blew it all up with one fearless song calling out Big Pharma profits, man-made viruses, corrupt institutions, geopolitical hypocrisy, and runaway fiat inflation? Australian artist Iyah May did exactly that with her viral hit Karmageddon, facing an ultimatum from her manager, parting ways with her label, losing friends and family support—yet gaining millions of awake fans desperate for an authentic voice refusing to stay silent.In this raw Mentor Sessions interview on the BTC Sessions channel, Iyah opens up about choosing artistic integrity over security, her leap from med school to music in New York, the personal toll of truth-telling during Covid, and why cancel culture is finally crumbling as art reclaims the cultural battlefield. She unpacks Rockefeller's pharmaceutical takeover, why modern medicine treats symptoms for profit instead of root causes, the healing power of sunlight, real food, and decentralized health—and how fiat inflation fuels fear, short-term thinking, and cultural decay.Fresh from rubbing shoulders with Bitcoiners in El Salvador, Iyah gets convincingly orange-pilled live on air, discovering Bitcoin as the ultimate tool for agency, sound money, and escaping centralized control. If you're stacking sats while questioning the system, this conversation bridges music, health freedom, and Bitcoin sovereignty in a powerful white pill for low-time-preference living. Check out her latest single Good Citizen and stay tuned for the upcoming album!About Iyah MayYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@iyahmayhemInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/iyahmayhemWebsite: https://www.iyahmay.com X.com: https://x.com/iyahmaymusicChapters:00:00:00 Opening Hook & Karmageddon Backstory00:02:04 Karmageddon Controversy & Manager Ultimatum00:02:57 From Medicine to Music Journey00:04:47 Standing Firm on Convictions00:07:11 Personal Growth After Speaking Out00:09:20 Key Influences & Covid Awakening00:12:53 El Salvador & Entering Bitcoin Circles00:14:35 Current Inspirations & Good Citizen00:17:04 Art's Power in Shaping Culture00:20:27 Cancel Culture Fading Away00:23:01 Inflation's Cultural & Behavioral Impact00:25:34 Music Industry Evolution & AI Concerns00:31:15 Government in Healthcare & Patient Trust00:34:01 Big Pharma Roots & Profit Over Healing00:36:23 Practical Tips for Decentralized Health00:40:06 Low Time Preference in Art & Life00:46:01 Live Orange-Pilling on Bitcoin Begins00:53:13 Bitcoin as Superior Savings Technology01:02:51 Visions for Change in Australia & the World01:04:43 Upcoming Album, Tours & Independent Spir⚡ POWERED by Abundant Mines: Fully managed Bitcoin mining. Learn more at https://qrco.de/bgYKPB🔒 Lockdown your Bitcoin with the BEST gear on the market from Coinkite. Get the 5% Off the COLDCARD visit: https://qrco.de/bfiDBV💡BOOK Private Sessions with Nathan, Gary, or Ben at Bitcoin Mentor: Master self-custody, hardware, multisig, Lightning, privacy, and more. 👉 Visit bitcoinmentor.io Previous Episodes:Jeff Booth vs Simon Dixon: https://youtu.be/csSlVMT0ZZ0Follow Us on X:• BTC Sessions: @BTCsessions• Nathan: @theBTCmentor• Gary: @GaryLeeNYC#IyahMay #Karmageddon #GoodCitizen #BigPharmaExposed #Bitcoin #OrangePilled #BitcoinPodcast #SoundMoney #DecentralizedHealth #FiatInflation #SelfSovereignty #BTCSessions #BitcoinOnly #BTC

I lost my manager and he said to me, if you don't change these lyrics of this song, Come Again, I'm not going to work for you. I have lost friends and it has been difficult in some of my circles. Half my family thinks I'm crazy. I've received thousands and thousands of messages, which is blown my mind. And I gained almost a million fans now of people just wanting a voice to be heard. Art is becoming a little more political now because there's so much stuff going on in the world and it's really hard not to speak about it.

People are really waking up and COVID was a big part of that. I think people are really starting to question the next. narrative and question the system. Really regret not investing in 2015. Meet IMA. The Australian doctor who ditched medicine for music signed a major label deal, then torched at all with one explosive track. Carmageddon's. She calls out media propaganda, corrupt politicians, the military industrial complex, control algorithms, runaway inflation, big pharma, and the truth about COVID. She went fully independent and gained millions of fans starving for someone to finally say it out loud. In this episode, we discuss the exact moment her manager gave her

ultimatum and how she chose artistic integrity regardless of the personal and professional cause. And I said, well, I guess we're not going to work together because this is my art district. My big pharma profits by treating symptoms instead of curing root causes and the importance of decentralized medicine. That goes back to the prophet and the old Rockefeller system introduced in the early 1900s. And how art is quietly reclaiming the cultural battleground. I'm so glad cancel culture is going out the window. That was so toxic. Plus, she casually drops that she was just in El Salvador surrounded by Bitcoiners, then gets orange pill live on air. I keep finding myself around Bitcoiners.

I don't know. You're doing a pretty good job, mate. I'm getting convinced. And don't forget to check out her latest single, Good Citizen. IMA, thank you very much for joining us on the show. It is a pleasure. It's just so wonderful to have you. We've been trying to get you on for a while. You're very popular. For those that may not know you, your song Carmageddon, along with some other great ones that you did, Carmigand was a huge hit. and it's the song they got you dropped by your manager and threatened by your label. Can you walk us through what were the lyrics that caused that and how that all went down? And what made you ultimately say, well, forget this.

I'm just going to go do it anyway. Yeah. Well, I mean, the song has a lot of hot topics and the lyrics. No. There were a few that were like, really? The man-made virus in the chorus, screaming that out, definitely a polarizing one. and also just calling out Israel, you know, standard.

That's a tough one. And yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in there. Fauci, the World Health Organization, that definitely mixed up a few sorts, but that was all right. I loved it. Like when I listened to it immediately, I said we have to get this woman on the show. So thank you for taking the time to do that.

For those that may not know, you do not originally have, I guess, a professional music background. You originally started out in medicine. Can you tell us about that and what made you kind of do this 90-degree? return into music. Yeah, so I didn't really do much music at all. I never did singing until, oh, like, probably 10 years ago or so, I started dabbling. I was in med school, and I honestly

just felt like, okay, I've got a great life, but it just feels like I'm a little bit, I don't know if discontents the right word. It's more like I was looking for something. I was feeling that in my heart, and I'm like, there's something else out there for me. I just don't know what it is and I'm going to explore that. And I didn't know it was music. at the time, but I kind of just, you know, I mean, took a leap of faith and I moved to New York as a broke med student, just worked in a bar and did some research and played around there. And I met this wonderful vocal coach in New York who really just instilled this conviction in me and was like, oh, you can be a creative in life.

You know that right. I was like, really? No way. This is awesome. And ever since then, I've just done cover songs and acoustic gigs and that just evolved, evolve, evolved. And then I got a record deal with a major label in Australia. And I just kept it going.

And then Carmageddon was my first independent release about a year ago. And yeah, now the rest is history. Well, I just want to get back to something real quick. By the way, when were you in New York? Oh, it was like 10 years ago, 2015. Yeah, a while. Oh, I was in New York at that time. We probably ran into it.

Really? Yeah, amazing. Okay. Absolutely. Very cool. I do want to get back to real fast, you know, with the song, you mentioned some of the lyrics that were Hot Button lyrics. You said Fauci, you know, Man Made Virus.

wash the millions die, here's inflation at your prize. That was a real great one for us. Obviously, you talked about Israel. You know, it is so easy in this business to fear for your career. On my end, I was very careful about what I posted on Twitter X for a long time. And finally, when I started seeing what was happening a couple years ago over in Palestine and Gaza, I was like, well, F it, I need to be able to look myself in the mirror. And so if I never work another job in my life, so be it, I don't care. I need just my own soul. But many people don't do that. What do you think it was in you that made you say, well, I have to say what I believe and let the chips fall where they may? How difficult of a decision was that?

Yeah, it was difficult, but I want to be able to uphold that integrity. And it's really important for me to speak my mind sometimes. You know, you choose your battles, obviously. And you want to look after your body and your nervous system. You don't want to be stressed all the time just because you have to say everything all the time. You know, it just felt right for me. and when I was writing Calm Again with my awesome music producer Danny, we just thought about all the things that were happening in the world.

And I honestly didn't even think that many people would hear this song. I just thought, I'm just going to, I mean, I work a lot with intuition and feelings and stuff like that. And I just thought, I have a feeling to put this song out now. And it was right after the election also, interestingly. And I thought, if no one hears it, it's just a throwaway song and that's fine. And it says some cool shit and that's cool. But it did feel like it was time to speak out. And I went through a lot personally as a doctor and an artist during COVID.

And the whole, so many things that happened during that time was so unjust and discussing. And I thought, if I can put this in a song and speak about it in an artistic way, that's fun. And it feels right for me. But yeah, I would encourage anyone if you feel that little niggling inside your soul that you have to say something, then you should. Because you want to sleep with yourself at night and you want to be able to wake up and feel like a good person. Then you've done something decent and yeah. I'm going to let you jump into just one moment. I have one more question, Nathan.

You know, for people listening in on our show, our audience is composed of a lot of people. Obviously, your Bitcoiners, people who don't necessarily follow the herd, have had to stand by the courage of their convictions, whether it's in Bitcoin or many other, you know, related things. I think, at least for me, the times that I've stood by my convictions and, you know, not sold out, which is not all the time, but sometimes I feel like I've come out stronger on the other side. do you feel anything about your life has changed since you said well I'm just going to do this whatever happens with the record label happens over my manager happens I'm just going to do it and come at the other side do you feel a changing character or personality or how you interact with your friends and family or professionally anything that's a really great question it's been a huge year for me emotionally mentally spiritually it's it's been a big roller coaster ride

and I'm so thankful that I spoke out And I feel like I've grown exponentially as a human and an artist. And I have a lot of friends and it has been difficult in some of my circles because a lot of my mates are doctors and it's sometimes awkward because, you know, I'm saying all that stuff. And it's like, well, that's not going to go down with a lot of people. And also, you know, half my family thinks I'm crazy and whatever. It's fine. You know, we get along.

But it's like, oh, yeah, you know, she's doing that again. And the other half, it's like, oh, I really support this. And yeah, this is not a phase. But I feel so good about myself. And I feel like I've grown a lot and that is the most important thing for me. And even for business stuff like music, yeah, I lost my manager. And he said to me, if you don't change these lyrics of this song, come again, I'm not going to work with you.

And I said, well, I guess we're not going to work together because this is my artistry, not yours. You're meant to manage me. You're not meant to write my songs, man. And so we went our own separate ways and, yeah, I left my label and everything. And I gained almost a million fans now of people just wanting a voice to be heard. and to have been seen and to say stuff. We are all thinking, many of us are thinking,

and I've received thousands and thousands of messages, which has blown my mind, you know, of these people around the world, just thanking me for speaking out and saying these things and other doctors as well who have been lost their jobs or suppressed or whatever. So, yeah, I think if you have that feeling, you should follow your gut and don't worry about it because God makes a way. And if you lose one opportunity, another 10 just come. I love it.

Real quick, I'm sorry, Nathan, was there any one particular lyric that your manager focused on? Or was it just the few of them? Yeah, I think it was mostly the genocide and Israel line. That's what I figured. Yeah, I've got to poke it at that one. In saying that, though, there were other groups that, yeah, like the Australian Medical Board with the World Health Organization and Fouchy and Manman virus, that was, yeah, not, that was a big one as well. So, you know.

Cool. Yeah. Well, thank you. Nathan, I'm sorry, I hug the mic. All you, buddy. No, no, no. Let me jump in there. One, there's just so much that you guys are saying that's really resonating with me. So like similarly, I was working in immunology research prior to doing this

kind of full time and I hated it. Your comment about like your nervous system being stressed all the time having to put on like the facade to make my way through the culture. Because again, at a Canadian university, libertarian bitcoin are not really the most welcoming environment. And it was driving me and just how much better it was for me and just my overall health by getting out of that, by stopping to pretend. So I just hugely went on to share that because it echoed it just resonated so hard. The other thing, that it kind of struck me with the idea of the friends and family that I wanted to share is this idea of kind of for Bitcoiners, we tend to always go through what we call like the Bitcoin

evangelizing phase where you discover Bitcoin. It finally has this click moment for you and then you want to tell everybody about it. And you go and tell everyone that you can. You're talking about Austrian economics and inflation and the pack of the money and look at your health. Like you're going down this deep rabbit hole and you're so excited and nobody cares. Like it just, it's not received. And for the longest time, I remember talking with people about this, that I looking back on And what I thought I was doing, what I think that everybody was doing is we think that we're trying to like help them, give them some information, bring them along with us. But what I realized is it ended up being like a really interesting kind of filter mechanism.

That relationships that I thought were really close were kind of revealed to not really be that close or that strong. There wasn't any curiosity because something was exciting me. And relationships that I didn't realize we had a whole bunch in common, all of a sudden kind of emerged and a period. And it really was for the betterment kind of going down this in terms of friends and family and the works because it's almost like I was able to identify it. and find my tribe. So I just absolutely want to jump on that and kind of share that element there.

I'm curious because I would imagine too that this may have opened up a ton of new relationships and information for you, but going back more to the beginning, because for me being like libertarian Ancamp and Bitcoin are finding this sort of information on decentralized health and all that stuff as well too is very much in our kind of counterculture. But you're still relatively new to being introduced to Bitcoin. So who were the influences on you or what sources of for me, the influences on you that you were already down these rabbit holes in terms of inflation and health and the wars in the Middle East and everything as well too.

Oh, honestly, my sister. Oh, okay, good. Yeah, we have lots of deep, very deep chats. And she's like 13 years older than me. I should know. She's a wonderful human and a bit of a mentor for me for sure. And she's always drilling stuff into my mind. I'm like, come on.

And then it happens two years later, you know. she's always like five years ahead of me or so but we have awesome chats and also my music producer Danny so these are the people who were closest to me and we had those chats together it's actually more so that personal relationships than than these influences because I feel like I'm I when I was writing calm again I mean I had insight and I had my own personal experiences with COVID and other world events but that was kind of like a gateway for me to really start thinking that way and You know, I've always been into holistic medicine and medicine that really heals the body and gets to the root cause of the disease rather than treating the symptoms with pharmaceuticals and, you know, the corruptions and big pharma and I've always been quite passionate about that. But this song has really opened my mind up to so much more.

And like decentralized health was definitely one of them. But yeah, now I'm meeting more and more influences who speak out. And like Ian Carroll, he's now a friend of mine and a legend. And I was just in Alvador. Yeah, it was in our salvage. all the other week. I was meeting up with some other people there. You were in El Salvador the other week. Yeah, I was. I was there for a convention and actually it was the Bitcoin week. I was going to say. Yeah, yeah, it was that week. So I met some some Bitcoiners and

that was cool to chat to them as well. And I do find myself now that I am moving in these circles, just I happen to be moving in these circles now and meeting these other people. And it's, it's really awesome. And I'm learning a lot. Yeah. Did you happen to cross pass with Dr. Jack Cruz while you were down there? So I was going to bring him up. My sister is a huge fan of him. And I, no, I didn't cross pass with him. But I hope I will because he's, what he would call her, Dr. Alexis.

I've listened to a lot of her podcasts and we're friends too. So, yeah, I really wanted to, but he was doing stuff. But I know that he lives there. I thought that was really cool. And I love what he says about sunlight. I've actually incorporated that into my life a lot in the last year as well. No, it makes a huge difference. It's one thing that even Gary and I were discussing before recording this episode is that

dealing with the artificial light that I'm constantly under in front of the screen, I can tell that it's having a negative impact on my health. We just had Dr. Cruz on for two episodes as well, too. So perhaps we'll have to do a collaboration in the future and get you and him back on for another conversation would be wonderful. So since doing this, it's basically opened up a ton of other avenues in terms of further exploring different kind of, you say, countercultures and different sort of information. Is there any other rabbit holes and things that you've gone down recently or other

causes the things that kind of have your attention. And the reason I bring it up is because, like, the music is so beautifully written and produced and the videos are gorgeous as well, too. But that takes a while. There's like quite a time delay between that and the message behind it coming out. So if there's anything right now, there's maybe more top of mind or that has your focus. Not really. I feel like it's a lot to do with philosophy and just human heart. And I'm writing a lot about that and how things feel and how the world makes us all feel. I suppose that maybe that's the artist in me. It's more about that kind of stuff. But I know my last song, Good Citizen, touched on a whole bunch of different topics. Yeah, but I can't think of any rabbit holes per se

that I'm going down. It's more like a global collective thing. And it's whatever's infiltrating my mind and whatever I'm going through personally and experiencing that I chat to my producer about in the studio. I'm like, what, hmm, what should we say to the world today? What's important to us? And what are we really feeling and what are we really passionate about today? Coin Kite has been in the game for years creating hands down the best and most secure hardware when it comes to securing your Bitcoin. The cold card Q is an absolute powerhouse and my daily driver, and it's ideal for newcomers and advanced users alike.

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Everything is hosted in the U.S., powered by hydro, and mining equipment may qualify for 100% Year 1 bonus depreciation. Learn more at abundantmines.com slash sessions. that's very very interesting and Gary I promise let you jump into this one I actually want to unpack that a little bit too because I'm curious if the writing of the music comes from a place of personal expression or it comes from a place of like wanting to shift the public conversation as well too because I'm I'm very conscientious of the fact that at least in my mind and I think it was it was a bright part I think that coined the term that you know politics is downstream from culture and I very much so believe that culture is downstream from art like even personally on my own influences I can point back to like the early 2000s punk being like hugely influential show all my libertarian values. It was all very anti-war in Iraq, very anti-neocon at the time. And that was something that really resonated with me and kind of drove me into that track. Now, I thought I was hanging out with a whole bunch of like, you know, anti-authoritarian people. Turns out they were just leftists that weren't in power at the moment, which was a little bit

disappointing. But still, the art was hugely impactful on my worldview. Even something as simple as Matt and Trey from South Park, there was one line, they said in an interview, is basically you make fun of everything or you make fun of nothing with regards to freedom of speech and comedy. And I never forgot that, that one little line from an artist that was making a hilarious cartoon show actually had a profound impact on my view of the world and kind of my base value. So all that to say, and I could even tease out that I think the fact that I would suspect that your demographic might be a little more women leading in terms of the audience there, that I think that can have huge, huge impacts on actually shifting both the culture and then the politics. So is it coming from a place of just personal expression? or is there a broader mission of actually bringing these things into public consciousness? Oh, it's definitely both. Yeah.

I do genuinely feel passionate about helping people, as cliché as it sounds. Like, I really do want people to succeed, and I really do want people to find health. And there's so many lonely people out there, and there's so many excluded, unseen people out there. And people have messaged me saying that, and the song makes me cry because I felt like I was so suppressed, and I felt like I was so outcast and not seen by society in the world and my family, my friends. And that makes me want to cry because I thought there's just people out there who really need to be heard and to be seen. And if an artist can make art that translates into something beautiful for them, I think that's such an awesome accomplishment.

And I think art is special because we're not necessarily raging and ramming it down people's throats. Like politics can get a bit gnarly. And I don't even think I'm, I don't consider myself a political artist. I've never been too into politics. I've always been a lot into trying to help the world. just be a cool place for us all to live in. And I just think art is becoming a little more political now because there's so much stuff going on in the world and it's really hard not to speak about it. And sometimes it does get really heavy and you have to watch your nervous system and you have to watch

your mind and think, okay, what am I comfortable with speaking about today and what do I really want to say? So yeah, for me, it's been, how can I add to the collective? And how can I choose humanity first? not the left, not the right, not even my own country or whatever, you know, the US or another country in the world. What can I choose for people first? What can I choose for you and I for one of one? And art is a really awesome means to do that. I'm super grateful that I can write stuff and put it into songs and people can hear it. That's awesome. That's beautiful. And it's so wonderful too, because I think one of the, I think this will be reflected in the messages that you're getting to is that particularly because, I'd say like the cancel culture in the last year since about like 2016, maybe the 2013s or so,

had become so hostile that having someone like yourself up there successful in a successful music, successful musicians, sorry, I think, is it gives people permission to actually say what they think. Like it helps them shed the shackles a little bit to know like, no, no, this is, this is at least acceptable culture. This is acceptable to at least talk about in question and discuss. Yeah, I'm so glad cancel culture is going out the window. was so toxic. I think the worst phrase is not hate speech. It's you're not allowed to say that that's the most damaging thing. Yeah. And especially for artists, like look back in the day or the raging music that was anti-system and I mean, even Bob Dylan and like, come on, bring all that back.

Like, let's get rid of this cancel culture crap. Like, it doesn't help anyone. We just went through Christmas. Remember like, what is it? Maybe it's cold outside. We had to cancel that song at one point in time. It's like the Christmas carols, guys, give it up. Like, there's no point at that. We're done. That phase of our life is over. But Gary, I've been hogging the mic, jump in there. No, not at all. We're grateful that you decided to make it. And I think, you know, when we hear the term political, like you said, some people think of, well, we're talking about politicians or left-right political parties or red team, blue team, but you can be political with ideas. I mean, I worked in politics for six years. I worked on Capitol Hill here

in the USA. I've no desire to ever go back again. And I was so sick of it by the time I left. There's a bunch of he said, she said stuff. But you can be political in talking about ideas and how it affects people instead of like day-to-day palace intrigue garbage because it's red team blue team you know the same shit's going to happen no matter which one you put in there uh so uh i don't think necessarily being political is a bad thing in music and we you talked about bob dillian you talk about music of the 60s there they weren't talking about like Nixon and kennedy in their songs they were just talking about war and freedom uh so i'm grateful thank you for making what you did uh obviously you are an artist you don't want to be necessarily boxed in

And do you think you'll continue doing kind of highly charged what's going on in the world? Let me expose it type of art? Or would you ever just kind of do like a sweet, innocent rockabilly song? Just, you know, why not just to do it? Yeah, I've got a bunch of songs. And I like to do what feels right in the moment. But I am really inspired by what's going on in the world. And I do want to keep writing about that.

So we'll see. I don't know. But I've definitely got some love songs behind me. me too i want to put that out it's nice it's nice it's nice to speak about things that that hit us as humans as well like it doesn't always have to be yeah raging and yeah that's great uh the line as i said earlier that really got us this being a bitcoin podcast is you know uh man made manmade man man made virus watch the millions die and the biggest profit of their lives uh here's inflation that's your prize i mean that's all what bitcoin is it's just it's here's something that can't be

It's a hard asset you can hold with a hard 21 million cap. And we've talked about how inflation isn't just something that means prices go up, but it changes culture. It changes the way people behave. You talked about wanting to help people in medicine. There's a book you may be familiar with it called Fiat Food. Have you ever heard about this? I haven't known.

It's under Safedina Moose's label. He wrote the Bitcoin Standard. And talk about how just inflation, in order to hide the effects of inflation, governments will try to encourage garbage eating because you can mass produce, as Safedin would say, chemical sludge and wrap it in plastic packages. But it's much harder to do that with beef. So you'll see the price of a steak go way up in the supermarket, whereas people could just, mass production can keep the prices relatively low, the effects of inflation hidden on other less healthy foods. and you have people eating garbage, getting less healthy. And you see it in other aspects of life.

You know, inflation means having to spend money quickly before it loses its value. So a lot of things are just a much more high time preference culture. We do things quickly instead of taking our time, a lot less Sistine Chapel, a lot more banana tape to a wall for art. I wonder, because I know you're not necessarily into Bitcoin, but are there ways that you have found inflation? affects not just the price of things, but also the mentality that people have? Well, I think it puts people in a state of fear and potentially dread for the future. And as you said, people want to buy and people want to sort out their lives now and stress. And I think instilling fear into people is, yeah, that's a really big thing.

And it's a power move as well for the powers that be that aren't on our side. I mean, it's crazy that why is it, why is it so hard to be healthy right now? Why do we have to spend so much money on organic food? Why do you have to pay money to get rid of the pesticides when we can just pick it from the earth? It's like, it just doesn't make sense to me. And these days, it's an uphill battle just to be healthy. And what we eat is so important and affects our minds, it affects our moves. And yeah, I don't know.

I don't know where the future is going to be. But if we can do our best to just try and be healthy and just try and, yeah, live our lives as close to nature, I think that's the best way forward. But it does change people's mindsets for sure. It makes us fear. Do you think it's impacted music at all? Or even broader question, do you think, in what ways do you think music has changed over the past 20 or 30 years and where do you perhaps see it going? I don't know. I think because the algorithms have been introduced, music is becoming quicker and mass produced more. And I don't think that's a good thing. And obviously, people's attention spans are going down. So there's 30 second clips and that's enough. you know, people bought after 30 seconds max.

That's the short form content. And potentially artists are, or we're trying to make money. So people are trying to survive. And so they're trying to cater for these algorithms. And they're trying to make shorter, quicker songs that will capture people rather than really go into their art and think, I'm going to make an eight-minute masterpiece, whatever I don't care. I think there's a lot less of that. And especially with the introduction of AI, I don't know how that's going to change the music industry too.

But I'm a huge fan of listening to an artist, not listening to an AI song. Yeah, but it's going to be an interesting next half of the decade for sure. What do you think, in Nathan? You're in the music space. Well, there's a few things at play here. It's almost like it's going to create, I think it's something to be a major win for independent creators like yourself. I think that's where everything is kind of going, that the barriers to entry have never been lower and the gatekeepers like you've outright proven aren't necessary, right? That if you have the merit, if the song is good, if it comes from a play set, because again,

particularly with culture, and I think kind of saving grace in the AI space is that, that depending on kind of what mood you're in, I will put at least a little bit of a caveat on it. We're usually hungry for emotional and human connection in our art. And when something is too plastic, it just intuitively gets us. Like we just immediately kind of pick up on it. Like it's a weird example. Hopefully it'll make sense.

Like just out of like, all right, I need to throw something on. I watched the new like Jurassic Park the other day. I was like, I used to like Jurassic Park as a kid. Let me check this out. And visually, I hated it. And it was a wonderful video essay that I saw pointed out to me is that everything was so unbelievably vibrant and they pushed the color so hard

to be bright and fast and moving all the time that it doesn't look real. Whereas I can go back and look at the, I find myself watching movies and TV from the 90s and I quite enjoy the aesthetic and the performance and everything that's going on there because it wasn't being ramped up

for a short attention and kind of ever escalating expectations of the audience. And so the one thing, particularly with all our firms, I think the nice thing too is that the storytelling, the hard part is from the musician's standpoint. Now, this one will at least translate for movies,

and even potentially stories and for like the musical lyrical composition is that because there's decreasing, decreasing barriers to entry, that means that really whoever can craft the best story, right, the one that really hits emotionally, that's who's going to win. It becomes much more of a merit-based system rather than it is a just who you know, did you get insider access, were you part of that label? Did they market you? Did they push you out? Which again, going back to Carnegie, and I think that's why it blew up is because it just like perfectly hit on the mood and frustrations and the anxiety of a large audience that didn't feel any way represented, particularly in art and more popular music.

And so I think getting around the AI thing is going to be tricky for a while, but I think we'll come to get used to it and kind of navigate it. And I think you're right that the live experience is probably where a lot of people put their money and resources that they really want to go and actually see this thing in person, right, that human connection becomes much more valuable. when you're not really sure necessarily what you're listening to or you see on the screen is the human aspect. But I'm very excited for what I call like a more free market in art.

And I also think there's going to be more of a demand for it as well, too. I apologize for the rant. I could go on a few different tangents here. Like even the AI aspect, I think, is actually going to have an impact on what I call like managerial roles, particularly people who are rear-facing looking at data. So, like, I look at what, you know, what sales were last year in terms of the third quarter

and I project forward what I think I'm going to need for inventory at that store. Well, large language models can deal with that quite. well, there is going to be some job loss in particularly data-focused fields. But I think it's beautiful. I think it actually opens up people like yourselves to go and explore creative arts, to get back into, to have more art, more creative content coming out from different places. And if they can get it to a global audience and it really is just going to be evaluated on the quality of it, it's going to be like based a wonderful free market of art and I think an influx of quality again,

versus probably a lot more niche as well too. So instead of trying to create like a PG-13 movie that caters to everybody, you'll have have people finding their specific genre, their specific niche of what they really like. And artists can be more successful with a smaller audience that's quite dedicated to them and their work. And we'll get into a little bit more after this. I've said so much already. But then there's also the aspect of like Bitcoin. So we had like Rumble launched the Bitcoin wallet as well too. And so we're now in a world where if a content creator, there's no barrier to getting their information and their art out to people. And also the people who like their work can pay them

directly instantly in final settlement with no third party no bank no morgan chase nobody in between no visa no master card which means that if you like somebody you can just directly compensate them or tip them for that work and there's no one in the way for you to get out there so that was that was a lot let me please jump in let me know your thoughts yeah that is cool not having a gate keeper and i think people are really going to crave authenticity well we are already we're seeing that online authentic stuff is just winning um but it would be nice us not have to deal with labels and managers. I mean, some managers are wonderful, of course, some labels.

But just have your fans and you and have the closest contact that you can. That's awesome. I think we're definitely heading that way in the future, if not now already. A lot of artists are, yeah, setting up payments and just for others to help them and help them create art and stay afloat. I think that's wonderful. 100%. It's like Gary's only fan, right?

They get right to them and it's good to go. Actually, I do want to tease out one thing there because it kind of struck me something because I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll start me, Australia is public health care system like Canada as well, too, correct? I've heard it similar. Okay, beautiful. The reason I want to ask is, one, I'm kind of curious what the general mood or vibes in Australia currently are.

Like, Canada's not doing great. It's really not doing great. And you can feel it in the air. The tension's growing and it definitely seems to be more polarizing between east and west. But the other thing there is that, and I'd love to know because you were directly involved, the Canadian healthcare system is absolutely atrocious. And it's getting worse. It's getting really, really, really bad.

to the point where, of course, we have medical assistance and deaths. So if you, they actually, there was a woman, I believe this, Glenn Beck is paying for her treatment in the U.S. Because they couldn't get her to a doctor. There wasn't anybody available. So they offered her suicide and she chose that. And he found out, yes. Yeah, Canada, I think it's like the, oh, I looked it up. I believe it's almost one fifth of deaths in Canada are medical assistance in death.

They're, we're killing our own people. It's unbelievably bad. I've personally like years ago gone to a waiting room and just given up. up and just super glued myself back together. Like, it's really, really bad. But what you said that made me think of it was the idea of between the artist and the audience. There's no one in between anymore. And I think that's one of the biggest problems in medicine is that there is a government or insurance. There's somebody in between the patient and the doctor, right? If the government of Canada is paying the doctor, I'm not really the customer. The government is. So I'm curious,

what are things like in Australia right now? And I'm curious about the specifically the Australian healthcare system. Your experience there is it similar problem? What's going on? Well, I've been spending so much of my time in music, but just from personal experience, just having the government between the doctor and the patient is not good. And we had that a lot during COVID. Doctors weren't allowed to say certain things. We had to support all the mandates or we lost our jobs.

And that was just so bad. And so many doctors are still scarred from that. I mean, others don't think twice about it. I personally thought it was terrible because patients won't trust us anymore if we have this government body. You know, we want to be able to have this private relationship with them. We don't want to have to, you know, follow all these rules of a government body. But I get it.

Like medicine, yeah, I understand medicine has to be observed thoroughly. But I think the most important thing is about the patient and the doctor and the best care for the patient. And that sometimes doesn't involve what the World Health Organization says, sorry, you know. And we saw that happen in COVID. But it doesn't sound like we're as bad as Canada. That sounds really gnarly. I can't believe that. It's pretty bad.

I'm curious your thoughts on why, particularly with health, it's descended to this sort of way. Like, how did we get here? Why was that, why is this now the issue? Yeah, I think it goes back to profit, doesn't it? And I think, yeah, Big Pharma has a lot to do with why we keep treating the symptom, not the root cause of the disease. People are going to a doctor and they're getting mostly just pills. and we spend basically no time in medical school learning about nutrition and how to eat, which is wild to me, because how do you allow a car to run well when you don't put the right fuel in it

and then expect no problems? Of course you're going to have a million problems. But I think, again, that goes back to the profit and the old Rockefeller system introduced in the early 1900s to fund medical schools that promote pharmaceuticals made out of petroleum oil, off conveniently for the Rockefeller family, not. And holistic therapies were just kicked out, you know, like sunbathing, which is, well, we don't hear of that. You see hospitals or Dr. Jack Cruz would have told you all about that, I'm sure, but, you know,

the hospitals are all in these disgusting lights and blue lights and we're all on our screens all day and you were told to avoid the sun, but not avoid our screens all day. And look at the chronic disease, it's the worst in history now. People are staying alive longer, but they're sicker and they're dependent on the system. And they have these diseases and they have these chronic illness. that requires bills and that's that's a lifelong payment system done then you created a problem and then you created a solution and that's exactly what these big pharma companies have done and i think now people are really waking up and COVID was a big part of that and just all the stuff that's

going on in the world i think people are really starting to just to question the narrative and question the system i am definitely it's been a huge journey for me to come out of that i mean i started before that because i was in the medical system and i thought this just doesn't feel right a lot of the stuff why aren't we teaching patients about how to eat and how to get nature and community and stuff that actually heals people, why are we just putting them on blood pressure medications and sending them home and they're going to come back with another 10 problems. So yeah, I think people are starting to wake up and connect back to nature and feel their bodies and seek other resources, which is awesome and inspiring.

And I really love that. And I want to play my part to feed that. And I see other doctors doing that. And I think that's awesome. Because if we, if everyone wins, we win too. Agreed. I actually want to just unpack that a little bit and then Gary, I'll let you jump it quick. If somebody was just kind of hearing these ideas for the first time, what would you suggest

they maybe go look or read or study or try? Like we talk about getting back to nature and sunlight and diet. What sort of things do you think are worthwhile and meaningful for someone to consider or think about? I think food is such a huge, hugely important thing for us all. And the problem is we just don't. know how it heals us anymore. Like that knowledge is kind of lost. We need to dig deep to find that again. And every fruit and vegetable has a role. It's actually really nice. When you look into it

and research and study it has a role and how it can heal different parts of our body and different organs. And yeah, I'm super passionate on that and I'm a health freak and I love starting my day with lemon water and I just had a celery juice. I know that sounds really nerdy. But I want to It sounds very plain. Yeah, it does. But I'm, you know, I eat well too. I'm also like, I'm fruity. But I want to give my vessel a really good chance in this world.

And it's little things like, what are we eating? What are we drinking? Are we filtering out of the crap that they're adding to our water? Like chlorine and fluoride, are we getting rid of that? And are we getting our sunlight at least 30 minutes a day? And do we have community around us? Do we have our loved ones around us? Because, you know, there's lots of studies and other cultures that where people are living longer.

I think it's called the blue zone in Japan. And these elderly people are living longer because, they're connected to their loved ones and their grandchildren, and we should really look into that for our society as well, for our Western cultures. But I would start with, yeah, what are you eating and what are you putting into your vessel every day? And that's not just physical, that's mental stuff, that's spiritual stuff.

And then the basics, like getting the sun and grounding and getting out into nature and getting off the phones, off the screens, and getting around friends, it just works wonders. Because I think if we can align all that and come off the pharmaceuticals, as much as we can, you know, being reasonable, then a health has a far, far better chance. Agreed.

It's amazing. Like we have so much more money dumped into the healthcare system and so much more money dumped into pharmaceuticals and antidepressants and all these things do. And people are like, chronic diseases on the rise.

Everyone's absolutely miserable. It's like, guys, maybe this isn't working. Maybe we should step back and take a look. Even like if you did get a chance, Fiat food, I think I'll absolutely adore it too. But I remember it was Savody and I think commented, like if you want to know what to eat, it was like go get your great grandmother's recipe book.

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means you don't think in short term thinking. You know, time isn't a preference for you. Quality is a preference for you. Doing things the right ways of preference to you. I don't need to, if I'm a business owner, I don't need to get over on my customer, make a profit tomorrow. I'm thinking long term. I'm thinking I want a good reputation, 10, 15, 20 years down the road because that's important to me. Because I don't, if you come back to the money, I don't need to get this money and spend it really fast before it loses its value. If you have money that retains value over time and increases value over time relative to the costs of goods and services, you want to have a good reputation because you're thinking long term. You want people to be able to

do business with you long term. You're not thinking. of making the quick buck, you know, doing art. Like we talked about Sistine Chapel versus banana on a wall. Like making something quality meaningful is more important to you. Like, you know, with you and your art, you weren't thinking of, well, I just want to make sure I get my next paycheck. I wanted this to be meaningful to me. So, forgive me, I kind of forgot where I was going with that.

But, you know, the idea is, do you think that that extends in terms, your work, that type of thinking, and what, I guess, what would you like to see changed? Or how do you think a more long-term thinking could help music, could help medicine, where people are more focused on eating well, not just taking the latest drug? I mean, I'm setting you up with a softball question here. It's essentially very much a leading question, but I kind of lost my turn of thought when I got into long-term thinking, but feel free to attack it any way you want, Aya. Yeah, long-term gain is everything in art.

And the more and more I make music and art, the more I'm seeing that I want to focus on impact. I think that when I'm old and dying and I'm going to look back on my days and be really proud of the impact I had on people's lives, not the amount of records I sold necessarily. and it's the messages from people saying thank you for helping me feel less alone and feel seen that really mean a lot to me. And with medicine, well, art is medicine. Medicine is art. I suppose that's how I've ended up on the two worlds because they feed into each other.

And actually my music is definitely feeding into my medical world and my medical world is feeding into my music, which I never thought would happen. I always thought they'd have to be separated. But yeah, if we lack the discipline, and the tenacity to want to try and have our long-term gains and just focusing on short-term game, we're never really going to make anything that substantial. Are we going to make art that's fleeting and coming and going? We want to make timeless art and we want to see our bodies as something that's worth

investing into long-term because, gosh, when we're, you know, when we're, what, 50 years old, we have all the money and the material wealth that we've ever wanted, I bet you would give it all the way just to be 25 again. health and body that we have. And I think that's so important to remember that we want to live a long life, but we want to live a good life, a damn good life. We want to feel healthy. You want to feel happy. And that's about discipline and it's about determination and it's about taking your time with things. And it's about looking into, okay, what is my lifestyle, man? Like, am I stuck on my phone all day and eating crap and trash? Then I'm going to feel like shit. And let's not get used to feeling

like shit all the time. Let's get used to feeling really good because we can. And we have all the answers and modern medicine has expanded a lot. If we dig a little deep and we go a little decentralized, like if we go into it a bit, there's so much wonderful information out there about how we can help ourselves in the long term rather than the short term. So I suppose that overlaps with Bitcoin as well. Like you're really thinking about the future there and you're thinking about the impact on yourself and of others as well. A hundred percent. You know, Nathan talks about before like when you first get into Bitcoin, you want to preach to everybody. And I've had to step back because I was the same way.

I'm like, this is the answer, guys. This can help prevent war. You'll never end war. But one of the things we talk about in Bitcoin, I don't know, well, neither I debate that a little bit. I think humans are still getting a human, but we can make, we can have less of it. One of the things we talk about Bitcoin is, you know, instead of the state having the ability to just kind of print money infinitely to pay for all these wars, if you're on Bitcoin,

a Bitcoin global standard, you have a hard cap of $21 million. Suddenly, the state can't just print the money to pay to pay to, drop bombs on kids overseas. They actually have to come to John Q taxpayer, regular guy in the suburbs trying to provide for his family on a median income job and say, hey, can you surrender another $30,000 a year so we can pay for these bombs and planes and soldiers to go kill these kids overseas? And maybe John Q taxpayer before, maybe he wasn't pleased with it, but he wasn't thinking about it. And now it suddenly affects him directly. Like, oh, oh, you're going to actually directly take this out of my pocket instead of me paying for it on the back end with inflation.

maybe we shouldn't be killing kids overseas and just dropping bombs willy-nilly. So that's in theory, what are the ideas? So I was so enthusiastic about wanting to spread the good word about Bitcoin. I'm like a Jehovah's Witness. Have you heard about Jesus? And I felt like I had to stop myself sometimes. And I bring that up because I've never done this on a call. But it seems like you are so in the Bitcoin space.

like everything around the Bitcoin space, the ideas, the idealism, the sensibilities, and yet you're not into Bitcoin. What do I need to do to Orange Pill? You're right here on this show right now. I don't know. You're doing a pretty good job, mate. I'm getting convinced. Are you?

All right. I like the underlying foundations, though, where you can give people back their agency and decentralized. That's cool. And that's what I'm into with medicine and art. So it's in the same world for sure. And I keep finding myself around, Bitcoin. It's like I was in El Salvador in the Bitcoin week. I'm like, what's going on then?

So I'm open and I'm looking and I'm learning. I guess I just didn't get into it. And then yeah, but I'm definitely open. All right. What questions do you have? What is top of mind? Because maybe this will serve. Maybe there's somebody else out there who's very similar, right? They resonate with your art and your music because they see the problems in the world and they've identified that, you know, we have these issues. Now, Gary and I are coming forward and saying they're like, hey, I really think that Bitcoin is the solution because we fix the money, we fix the world. But that's a pretty, that's a pretty outrageous, outlandish thing to say. So what are the hesitations? Give me the, give me the hardest

questions you got and Gary and I will try and answer them. Yeah, let us have it. Don't hold back. My thing is I don't want to have to watch all the time. I feel like you have to be passionate to get into it because you have to learn and observe and I'm time poor. I've got a lot of stuff going on. So what would you, what would you advise for someone like me whose time poor isn't super well versed in the Bitcoin world, where would you start? And I don't want to have to be thinking, oh, shit, how's the Bitcoin stuff going? Like, I don't want to be in the gambling game. I just want to be yes. What would your advice be? I have the best 17 hour podcast for you to listen to. Because I just hate all my time. I'm just to throw it out of the window. Perfect. Let's start there.

Okay. I will say that Bitcoin is not an investment. It's mistakenly treated as an investment in a lot of areas that still treated as a risk on asset, but it's not actually the case. What it is is just a return to savings technology. So, for me personally, like all my assets, quote unquote, is just tied up in Bitcoin. The reason being is I don't think about it at all anymore. There is a bit of learning in terms of how to use the tools and understand the network, but it doesn't take as long as you would think, as long as you commit a little bit of time to it. Or like Gary and I, that's what we do as well as we work as consultants in the space and then we do the podcast as well too. But it's kind of like looking at a car engine,

like overall, if I'm taking the whole thing in, it looks very, very, very difficult, but it's not. It's actually in its individual components. It's quite simple. It's just complex. There's just a lot of them. So bit by bit, it's really not too bad to get around, but it is something new and something novel. But in terms of giving your time back, I don't spend any time looking at charts. I'm not concerned about investments. I'm not worried about a CEO or a company or a manager making a big mistake. There's no bank. There's no government that could seize it from me. So all I do, my entire financial strategy is I go out there and try to offer as much value to people as I can. I pay for the things that I have to pay for. Whatever's left over, it goes into Bitcoin.

That's it. There's no thinking. It's just put in there. And then tucked away. And in my life, I'm very fortunate that I have a beautiful, wonderful wife, where I don't even pay the bills anymore. She does all the financing and accounting for me. So literally my only job is like, you go out there, you earn it, it gets tucked here, and I'll deal with it. So it gives you your time back because you no longer have to be like, you shouldn't have to be an investor or a trader in order to retain the value that you've earned if you leave it in Australia dollars or screw it in Ozzy bucks. And USD is not that much better. So you're stuck in this position where you have all the value that you offer to millions of people, you have it sitting in

this melting ice cube. And if you leave it there, it's just going to whittle away, which is what forces you into buying like S&P stock and going out on the risk curve and doing all these silly things. Because again, you don't have time to audit these companies or look at the charts or understand what's going on here. You need to focus on, well, there was medicine before, but like medicine, decentralized health, your art, there's so much already going on. Bitcoin gives you your time back because it's just savings. It's just a savings technology. that you can just take the excesses after everything's paid off, stick it in there, and just forget about it.

And when you come back in four or five years time, like it's volatile, but it's volatile up into the right. On a four-year time horizon, it's always up. You look at the average of the curve, it's just up into the right because the network is growing and constantly expanding.

So that would be the case that I make that it actually gives you your time back, that your money can't be debased, it can't be stolen from you, and nobody can stop you from sending value to anyone you want in the world. And obviously you don't think it's too late to invest now given that it's just gone up so much, you know?

Such a wonderful conversation. Yes, it is not too late. It is definitely never too late. First and foremost, one, because if you think about, like, if you look back on like a gold standard in these things too, even the last person who gets on Bitcoin still benefits from it, right? They benefit from the additional productivity growth across the world. And I hope this will resonate with you.

Money is just a way of communicating value, right? It's just a value communications layer. It's another language that people use to talk because nobody wants. wants money for money. You want it for the other things that you can get. So it's basically a representation of like, I did some work, I have this money, I can cash that work. Because I did excess work for people. I can cash that in for other goods and services later. So money's just a communication tool. And when you start to distort the money, so when governments get in here and central banks get in here and you distort the money, it's like the Tower of Babel in a sense that

you're making it so people can't communicate effectively. Businesses aren't getting the right signals, right? If you, if you tax, you know this intuitively. If you tax something, you're going to get less of it, right? Because you're distorting the price signal because you're adding additional cost to it. If you subsidize something like shitty food and poor pharmaceutical drugs, you'll get more of it because you're distorting the communication that comes from the prices. So, first and foremost, even the last person who gets onto Bitcoin still benefits from it, particularly in the freedom aspect and just a better world and culture as well. The other one in terms of like already too late in terms of investing.

Currently, Bitcoin is sitting, I think, just around $2 trillion a total market cap. That's not per coin, Iya. That's just the total value of Bitcoin. We're good. And you can buy just a fraction of a course as well, too. You can buy, the smallest unit is referred to as like a sat, but it's divisible to the point where you can buy a thousand of the smallest pieces for like a buck US right now. And so what it's trying to do is really replace money, which is things that have monetary

monetary value ascribed to them. So it's like going after the gold market. It's going after the U.S. Treasury bond market. It's going after the real estate market. Part of the reason, and I know you have this in Australia too, in Canada, our houses are disgustingly overpriced. Nobody can afford them, and they're awful. And that's because they turned it into a savings vehicle,

right, a way of hiding money, because there isn't a good savings vehicle because the money is such shit. And so with that, you can think of the excess value of a home, that monetary premium, because people treating it as like an investment, all that starts to flow into Bitcoin. So all that to say that if I were to lay out a base case,

because it's going for monetary assets across the world, we're sitting at about $2 trillion right now. I think gold is sitting at around somewhere like $25, $24 trillion, something like that market. So even if Bitcoin matches gold, that's still a 12x from here. But I'd actually make the case that this is going after a total addressable market for money,

which is like in excess of like $200 trillion. So I still think we were unbelievably early, even from the price appreciation standpoint. And it's really just an information asymmetry. People don't understand it yet. If you ask most people, what is money? They actually can't give you an answer, even though they use it every single day. So you were still early. Gary, you get the next question. No, no, no. I'm just to piggyback on what Nathan said, not to overload your brain here. I didn't understand money for the longest time. I mean, it was just like, oh, here's this thing that I have, this piece of paper, and I give it to somebody and I get stuff. Like, okay, cool. I mean, on a basic

level I got it like everybody else got it. But as Nathan was explaining, you know, we didn't learn that in public school. I know how to write a haiku. I could square dance. Yeah. Okay. That's great, I suppose. Yeah, but nobody ever taught you what money actually was on a fundamental level. It was this thing that's like, oh, I did some work. I provided a good or serve for somebody. And instead of them trading me back a chicken, which I don't need right then and there, they give me this coupon that represents the work I did that I can go and spend later because everybody accepts it. So, as Nathan was saying, the idea behind Bitcoin, it's not just some tech thing. It's not some company.

It's not some single thing that you would buy, like as a stock. It is a fundamental change in money. It is the first money that actually is hard capped, even beyond gold. Gold inflates. It doesn't inflate as fast as the money printer. But the amount of gold in the world increases by about two or three percent. a year on average. Bitcoin, it cannot do that. Bitcoin is hard capped at 21 million. So it is always deflationary. So in the long run, as people begin to understand more and more, this is the one

place that I can hold my wealth. I don't have to put it in a house to maintain it. I don't have to put it into stock where I have to worry about what the CEO was going to do or if he says something stupid on the TV screen and the price plummets or whatever, this is a long-term investment. As Nathan said, if you're putting it in and you're not thinking day-to-day, you're not thinking, week to week. You're not thinking month to month, but you're thinking on a four or five year time horizon minimum. Nobody's gone wrong so far in Bitcoin. If you think long term like that, because in the near term, yeah, relative to Fiat, it will go crazy up and down like this, but it will do that. And over the long term, it's going to be going up and to the right on the chart, as it were.

So, yeah, I think there's a long way to go in it. You don't have to worry about the day to day. You don't have to be an investor anymore. You just set it and forget it. Again, I'm not here to tell you what you should invest in. The show is not financial advice. I do like to learn. Or whatever. As technology and AI expands, it will impact Bitcoin and other crypto.

That's a great question. Beautiful. I will take this one. So largely, so the AI threat, I don't think there's anything necessarily there. And even like quantum in these things too, I don't think there's really any threat there. So the reason being is that one, I think those are still quite a long ways off. And the other one is that at the end of the day, it is a software protocol that we're working with. And we have the ability to update it.

So we have the ability to update the signature scheme, which is what's securing like the or verifying that validate the transactions. So we can update it to be quantum resistant. And that's already been something that's being worked on. It's actually been, I think I was talking to another podcaster walk about this, that the first mention of quantum as a potential risk down the line was back in 2011. And there's already proposals to deal with that. But what most people don't understand is that if you're using a lot of the default settings that we already have today, you're already kind of set up and protected against it. There's the element of the only point in time when there is potentially any information that could be attacked is at the point of a transaction.

So it's not to go to spend it, that it actually would potentially be vulnerable. And again, you don't have anything that be able to react in that quick of time. Just sitting there, it's not really vulnerable. And the older wallets, the ones that have been around for longer that didn't get some upgrades kind of along the way, like Satoshi's coins, like the founder's coins as well, they're more vulnerable. So we have a lot of time. We have some of the brilliant people already working on it. It's not really a threat and it might not actually manifest into being one. And if there was one, the reality, too, is that one, some older coins that were lost, we likely get scooped up first. You kind of get that early alarm and detection system. Plus the similar sort of information that's at play here is securing like military information and banking information and water infrastructure. So even realistically, I don't think that Bitcoin would be the first thing that they go after. If quantum has some sort of giant leap in that perspective, like in the, you say the encryption algorithms and the, I guess the hashing behind it as well too,

everything becomes really vulnerable all at once. We might not even necessarily biggest target. So I think it is, I actually suspect this last little while, it was purposely hyped up as FUD to try and drive down the price. And I have some suspicion that there may have been a little bit of a sentiment propaganda game going up. But realistically, not a problem right now. Definitely further off. If you're using normal best practices already, you're already in a very secure and safe position. And we have the best minds working on upgrades. It's just a matter of coming to consensus on them. Cool. Do you hear how smart Nathan sounds? He actually is smart. I just sound smart. Very intelligent. I'm actually blown away. No, a lot. Great.

Yeah, and one thing I wanted to add about the price relative to Fiat, which I wanted to mention earlier, I know how familiar you are with, you know, Vimar, Germany, you know, during the 20s and early 30s before, you know, the rise of the Third Reich and Hitler. But they had massive inflation. You probably heard the stories of people like going into town with wheelbarrows full of money just to buy a loaf of bread because the Deutschemark was inflated away so quickly. Over that time, the price of gold, which is a hard asset, you know, something that is relatively. relatively limited was going crazy in Germany. It wasn't because gold suddenly got more or less valuable. It's because they couldn't figure out what the actual value was of the German mark. And they didn't know what it was relative to gold. But as I said earlier with Bitcoin,

if you step back on a long-term investment for five years minimum, if you step back and look at the chart of just inflationary Germany, yeah, if you go on a week-to-week basis, gold is going crazy, you know, one day a thousand, next day 10, whatever. But when you step back, it is insanely higher. And anybody that just kept their value in gold that entire time and weather the storm and didn't get worried about it going up or down day to day, they were in fantastic shape. I mean, until the Nazis seized their gold. But until then, they were great. But Bitcoin can't be seized. Somebody, in order for somebody to get your Bitcoin, you'd actually have to give them the 12 words.

that secure your Bitcoin. So it's not like one of the things in war historically is if one country goes into another country, one of the first things they do is seize the gold because they want to be able to pay for their war. And they'll just kill all the people in the other country, all the people guarding the gold and get the gold. If you kill the people in the country that know where the Bitcoin password is as it memorized in their head, you're not getting the Bitcoin. So it doesn't solve torture. You can still torture. But you just can't outright kill somebody. So, you know, baby steps here. Any other questions you wanted to fire at us?

I know we're giving you a lot here. And I got to tell you, this is not something that I learned overnight. I bought my first half of Bitcoin back in 2013. And it took years, what I mean years for me to really get familiar and comfortable with it, to the point where I was no longer thinking, what's the catch, what's the scam, what's going on here? What am I missing? Because I've said many times, I'm smart enough to know that I'm not that smart. I have to be missing something because I want this to be so.

true so badly, but I read books and, you know, in the time, listened to some podcasts and eventually it kind of sunk in. I'm like, yeah, I believe it's the real deal. That's just me. Yeah, I bet you're stoked now if you invested that early. Yeah, oh, yeah, $400. Thank you very much. Very nice. Shit, I really regret not investing in 2015 when I was living in New York and my housemate from San Francisco was like, oh my God, you should really do this. I was like, nah, to some, you know, kid from Sanford. I'm like, yeah. But it is so, you're so, it's insanely early,

how early we are. Yeah. And we're like, if you think about it in terms of the early days of the internet or email or, you know, when you used to be on the internet, you'd go to like a website that looked like a magazine. And there were like seven websites. And they just looked like a magazine that somebody took pictures of and put it on the internet.

And you had your dial up modem where you'd have to do it with the phone would ring and you would get off. the internet. That's where we are in Bitcoin right now. And you think of how far we've come since in and how ubiquitous is where people are just using their internet all the time. You think about email initially. People like email, just send me a postcard. We're going to do this email. They could call me on the phone. Everybody uses email. Even in computers, you just have to like type CD backslash something, something and type all these things to know where to go. Now you look at a screen, you point and click. We are back then where it is on Bitcoin. There is so, so far to go and making

it easier to use, making it more user friendly. Because I, I'm not a tech guy. I am not a tech guy. I'm not a finance guy. And I figured out how to do this. And it will get easier and easier as time goes by. So I'm giving you the hard picture. But I like I said, I've never done this before. You feel like the first person who's sort of already with us on a lot of the ideas. Let me pitch it. Yeah, yeah. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate the information. Well, at the risk of not turn this into just like a Bitcoin, have you heard the good word about Bitcoin? For you, you know, you talked about your passion in music. You know, you're from Australia. You're talking about wanting to help people. If there's

one thing in Australia that you could change, what would it be? And if there's one thing in the world that you could change, what would it be? Oh, wow, that's such a deep question. I have to think about it. Take your time, but we have seven more minutes, so be quick. I just really would want people in my home country to start seeing the truth of things more and more. It just makes me so sad to see some people hurt themselves and their lives because they just don't really see what's going on around them and oh, don't want to see. And you kind of have to meet people where they're at. Like you guys said, you spoke to all these people around. And you want to spread the word of Bitcoin. Sometimes I feel like, I want to spread the word of health and whatever I know to be like, no, how can you

not know this? This is really important. But we just have to meet people where they're at and be compassionate and just be there for them regardless, you know. And people die from lack of knowledge and I would just love for people to, not that I know everything, there's so obviously that I'm learning too. I'm saying I'm part of this, but I would just love for us all to just learn about how history is not necessarily history and narratives can be created and changed and the past can be changed just in like, yeah, like 1984 or whatever. and don't necessarily believe everything that you're fed

and how much is what you know, how much of it is yours or how much of it is what someone's given you. And I suppose that's the same for the world. I think every generation has an important role. And I think this generation, one of the most important roles, is providing the truth to the world in a compassionate way. So I would probably say that.

That's beautiful. I do want to just make sure that we get this in here as well, too. So a completely different pivot, totally different direction. Is there anything really exciting coming up in your music right now? Do you have any plans to tour? Do you have any big releases coming up? Anything that you can tease or less know about? Well, I am working on an album.

Ooh, okay, yep. Yeah, yeah. So that will be out. I don't know when it will be out, but that's the main thing that I'm working on. I did just put out a song a few weeks ago, good citizen. I'll be in the States this year, if you guys want to go. Yeah. I'll be cruising around hanging out with Ian Carroll.

and yeah I'll probably do some shows and just see what's going on there. I mean, my team is still really small because I still don't have a manager and I'm doing independently. And yeah, so I need to just think about that. And it's a lot of work for one artist and one music producer. And like you see all my videos. That's truly done with myself and one of my best friends. There's a photo making the videos.

And that's me stuff funding it. And that's just us working hard, like doing 12-hour days to try and get the stuff shot. Like, it's not a big team of people. My friend does my makeup. And yeah, anyway. But it looks real. And that's what we love about it. You can tell it's real.

It's not some manufactured bullshit. It's real. And we sit down and think, oh, how are we going to do this? And some of it is just on the spot. Like my video for Good Citizen was a bunch of friends coming to the studio. We shot it all in a car park underneath the studio and an elevator. and like I went and bought the headcloths. It's all just such a home job.

And it's so fun, though, because it's so DIY. And that's just the spirit of what this project is. It's very much just an independent away from the system and gatekeepers project. And I think that's just so fun because I have the freedom to say whatever I want now. And I've got a fan base now, which is the best part of all this, the fans run the show, not the gatekeepers, not the huge labels. Yeah, so I think with my creative career, a lot of it is happening. kind of like month by month. I can't plan too much. There's a lot of uncertainty going on,

but I think that's part of what drives me to be inspired and be excited. It is that uncertainty and facing that and not knowing where I'm going. But yeah, I'll be in the US and I'll be working on the album and I'll stick that out and I'll be doing some shows very soon for sure. Well, please let us know because I still live near New York. And if you're ever in the area, you know, I'll get Nathan to come down from the Great White North and we'll go hang out and catch your shows. Yeah, I love New York. That was very much part of my musical journey. It inspired me a lot to become an artist, this special place for me. Have you just had a curiosity? Because I apologize for not knowing this ahead of time. Have you toured before? Not with the new songs. So, yeah, I did some festivals and I did a support tour in Australia and then COVID hit.

Yep. And that was my old music. Old music. I still like old music. But this new stuff like Carmaged and Good Citizen and everything's fine. I haven't toured with that yet. So that's exciting. That is incredibly exciting. That'll be so much fun to get on the road for the first time. I definitely miss that aspect of being in music at one point in time. I miss the studio as well too. Beautiful. For anyone who hasn't heard of you that needs to check out your stuff, where can they go find you?

Links, the music, everything. Yes, YouTube, IMA, all socials, Instagram, on our Facebook, Spotify, Apple Music, Bandcamp, iTunes, if you want to buy their track. Good old fashion, that's good. And I've got my website for merchandise. and yeah. Hey, you.

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