BTC Sessions - WHY ARE WE BULLISH? Bitcoin’s 2021 Moonshot Continues ep136

Episode Date: January 9, 2021

On the heels on Bitcoin breaching $40k, today’s panel guests talk about what has them bullish going forward in 2021. Sunny Ray: Long-time Bitcoin entrepreneur and host of the Bitcoin Stories Podcast. https://twitter.com/SunnyRayShow Adam O’Brien: Founder & CEO of The Bitcoin Well, focused on making Bitcoin more accessible. https://twitter.com/adamobrien_ Andy Edstrom: CFA, CFP, author of “Why Buy Bitcoin”, and Head of Institutional at Swan. https://twitter.com/edstromandrew Keep it Simple Bitcoin: Creator of Bitcoin tutorials for interacting with Bitcoin privately, securely, and sovereignly. https://twitter.com/KISBitcoin Mauricio Di Bartolomeo: Co-founder of the Canadian Bitcoin credit and savings platform, Ledn. https://twitter.com/cryptonomista SUPPORT THE SHOW: LEDN Bitcoin backed loans –  get $25 free https://bit.ly/397rlLN Get Wasabi wallet for Bitcoin privacy https://wasabiwallet.io/ Cobo Vault: secure your Bitcoin! https://bit.ly/2GgMFlH BillFodl: get your wallet backups in solid steel. https://privacypros.io/ Bitrefill: use Bitcoin to purchase gift cards https://www.bitrefill.com/buy/?code=O04UMic9 LIGHTNING tips: https://tippin.me/@BTCsessions Telegram channel: https://t.me/btc_sessions

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This morning I awoke to the song of my people. It was a bullish day. And yeah, things are getting crazy this year. It's what, the eighth. And I don't even have words to describe what has been going on this year. It's wild. That's why we have another episode of why are we bullish. We got a killer panel today. We're going to have them on in a sec. But yeah, let's see. get this thing rolling. Again, this is, I'm Ben with the BTC sessions. This is your daily session. By the way, live is always so a message from my friend. We'll do it live.

We'll do it live. Do it live. I can, I'll write it and we'll do it live. The thing sucks. Guys, this is your daily session. All right, let's take a look at where we are in the market before we bring in our panel today. So, I mean, it's obviously been all over the map today as per usual for anything this year so

far. Right now we're sitting around $39,000, almost $600 per Bitcoin for one U.S. dollar. You can pick up 2,520-some-odd stats. That is dropping, my friends. It is busy in the network today. If you want to get into the next block, you're going to be dropping. about 111 sats per bite. If you want the next hour, you're looking at 92. 91 blocks to clear the men pool. So it's a busy day. I mean, that tends to happen when it's

bullish like this. And only other metric, I, you know, I'm going to drop it every time. But 88.55% of all Bitcoin that will ever be mined have already been mined. That'll be hitting 90% by the end of the year, friends. So stack those stats while you still can. Of course, Before we dive in, of course, shout out to sponsors of the show, ledden.io, lots of different services you can use your Bitcoin for. Bitcoin back loans have seen my ass a couple times where I needed dollars, but I didn't want to sell my Bitcoin because that's a taxable event. And I would have had to buy back in a much higher price point. So those have saved me. If you're in that kind of situation, could be for you. They've, of course, they've got their Bitcoin and USDC savings accounts, interest rates of up to 12.25% annually paid monthly and the B2,000. X offering where if you're hugely bullish, you can use the same loan mechanism to buy more Bitcoin. Check them out. Links down below. If you opt to get one of the loan products, they will give you $25 for free into your savings. Of course, Kobo Vault, one of the guests of the show just put together something special, some more educational material around the Kobovol. I like it

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keep it simple, we've got our friend Sonny, we've got our friend Adam, we've got our friend Maricio and we're going to have another guest being popping in. Andy Edstrom will be joining us in short order. But in the meantime, gentlemen, let's just go down the line if you can do a quick little plug, drop who you are, what you do. That'd be awesome. Let's start with keep it simple. Take it away, my friend. Hi, thanks for having me. I make tutorial guides for Bitcoin and I like to keep it simple. I love it. That's perfect. That was very simple. It's funny. Take it away. Hey there, guys. I'm a co-founder of UnoCoyne and a company called Paycase.

I'm really passionate about Bitcoin, have been feeling this way since 2011, 2012. I also run a podcast, someone inspired by you too. You know, all the great work you're doing online. So building on Bitcoin is that. That's me. Awesome. Well, welcome to the showman. Let's jump to Maricio.

Maricio, let everybody know who you are. Hi, everybody. Great to be here. Maricio, co-founder and chief strategy officer at Lennon.io, we offer Bitcoin back loans, Bitcoin savings accounts, USDC savings accounts, and very popular B2X load to buy more Bitcoin. Dude, my B2X is... Yeah. So, Adam, take it away.

Adam O'Brien, I am founder, CEO of Bitcoin Well. We do Bitcoin ATMs across Canada, non-custodial Bitcoin purchases. Yes, yes, that's awesome. So gentlemen, thank you. Welcome to the show. I'm going to have the chat up here. There's already people in the chat. We're just shy of 100 people watching live already.

So guys, if you're watching, smash that like button. Give this a share. The more you do that, the more people get to see it. The more gets bumped in front of more eyeballs. I see you guys in the chat already. Yeah, glad to have you here. Awesome, everybody. So we're going to dive right into it. Everybody watching, we go by the three R's on this show. We give a reason why we're bullish. We do a riff on that reason, and then we rotate. Reason, riff and rotate. So since we have a good number of guests today, I'm going to forego my reason for being bullish and let the guests start with it. So I'm going to go to a, Keep it simple. I'm going to let you start us off. What has you feeling bullish as of late? The mind virus that is Bitcoin. I don't know if virus is going to get you demonetized.

But it's, I'm seeing people that I would have never even thought open to Bitcoin now, putting in six figures like, you know, I'm obviously helping them. These are people in my life. But their whole worldview is changing, right? And I'm seeing this on a micro level, but it's happening all over the internet. It's happening. I mean, people, family members I haven't spoken to in years are like, I'm that Bitcoin guy. You know, they want to understand. They have questions.

So it's just, it's changing people from the inside out in so many ways. And it's a beautiful thing. You know, we've all experienced it, right? depending on how long we've been in the space, but the path is always the same. And we know what that is because we've gone through it. And so watching other people go through the same thing is beautiful. Because I know that Bitcoin has made my life better, not because number go up, but because I see the world differently and I interact with the world differently.

And my world is different as a result of that. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I got to echo that. The more I dove down the Bitcoin rabbit hole, the more I've kind of understood things about the world that I didn't grasp before. And the more having a sound money that better represents my values and living on that standard, the more I experienced that, the more fine-tuned I find my life actually, because, comes. I feel I've become a better person from dealing with Bitcoin and understanding it and integrating it into my life. And you're right. The mind virus is a foot. I'm seeing it every day. I'm sure all of us are getting those friends and family members and phone calls and texts and RIP to my DMs. And there's just there's so much. But it's exciting because while not everybody will stick around through a bear market, it will capture like these epochs, these Bitcoin epochs do capture newcomers every time and a subset of those people actually dive

in and understand and they stick around. And when they're still around for the next epoch and their friends are like, oh, why did I ever stop? Why did I ever leave? Yeah, it's amazing. I think the bare markets are way more valuable than the both markets because that's when that's when your soul is tempered, right? It's like through the fire and either you die, you drop off. Maybe you shit coin a little bit too and then you get wrecked. Or you stay with it and then you enter the next bull phase and you're like the shepherd for the new sheep. You know what I mean?

It's really a beautiful thing. And I'm so grateful to everybody here right now because I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing because there's nothing else that you can be doing. We're all doing the same thing. One person at a time. 100%. If anybody else wants to add on to the mind virus here, I don't know. Feel free to jump in.

I was going to say that was beautiful. That was beautiful. You know, I was going to say one thing is that I've had more friends from high school reach out to me because of Bitcoin than Facebook. Like I've had people come out of the woodworks, text messages for people I haven't heard from 15 years. So maybe sound money is the ultimate social network. But yeah, but yeah, so I was there anything else? Maricio, you wanted to share some thoughts on what was just shared? No, no.

I think, you know, and this will be, I'll get into this when I got to go, but it's just similar. By the way, that was beautiful, very inspirational and the very, very beautiful way to put it. I think, you know, perhaps this is where I spent so much time looking at macro levels or macro indicators, but I think what you're starting to see, at least in the investment community, or not in the investment community, but both, the investment community is basically waking up to the fact that the dollar is on a very strong, like the Fed is on a mission to like erode the value of the dollar. And the investment community is all on that boat.

But what I'm seeing in the individual level, especially in the United States and Canada, people, places that had never experienced inflation. And that seemingly they just, you know, they treated it as something that would never come. All of a sudden, you're starting to see people say, they're starting to get worried about potential inflation. And I think I have it as one of my pin tweets.

I'll never remove this because I think one of the things that kills a society, which happened to Venezuela, is that most people don't understand inflation. They don't understand what causes it. They don't understand how it affects them. They don't understand how they can protect from it. So they're starting to identify the boogeyman. And frankly, Bitcoin represents one of the last boats out from the assets that will appreciate in currency terms because if you've ever tried to buy a property or a house,

house or a car, that's only as quick and expedite as your local government du jour, which is not very quick. Yeah. 100%. Adam, how about you? Ripping on your comments, I couldn't agree more. My, like, ripped to my DMs, it's absolutely shocking. I had some old, like, I shouldn't say an old guy, but like a guy that's like a senior that I

play golf with in the summers. And he called me. And he was like, I think half kidding, but also like. like half not. And he was like, well, he left me a voice. I'm calling to harass you that you didn't make me and force me buy Bitcoin in the summer when all you've done for the last three summers is talk about Bitcoin. And it's just, it's that revelation of like, I haven't talked like,

we usually shake hands in the last hole in September, October and don't see each other until May or June when we pick back up again. And, you know, these people are now seeking out and calling and, you know, stunning to your point, like people reaching out, hey, you know, we brushed shoulders in high school 10, 15 years ago, let's go grab coffee. And it's like, no, no, no, you want to chat Bitcoin. You don't want to, you don't want to buy me a coffee. You want to learn about, you know, the most influential asset of our generation. So I couldn't agree more that. I'm calling it a normie counter. I'm trying to figure out a good way to get like a good, solid normie counter of how many are we

getting each week? It's like, you know, 50, 60 messages a week from people. people like, hey, I haven't talked to you in a decade, but let's chat. Yeah, 100%. There's a definite influx of newcomers. The mind virus is indeed taking hold. It's exciting to see. I think, yeah, that's solid. We have 125 people watching live.

Smash that like button. Give it a share. Let's move on to our next reason for being bullish. I'll pass it to Sunny here. Dude, what do you feel and what's on your mind? Okay, so if I had to, if I had to pick my reason, it's kind of been the same throat time here, which is it's that it represents, to me, the future of money. I mean, that is the big reason.

And the reason as to why I believe Bitcoin represents the future of money is because it's, it's limited. Like we talked about earlier, it's, you know, inflation proof. It's open source. It's decentralized. It's censorship resistant. It's, it just, I mean, it just feels, smells, looks like. I mean, it just sounds like sound money to me. And I can get behind it, you know, as opposed to pieces of paper with like random dude's faces on it, which like to me, I just, I just don't even get it.

Like, yeah, yeah. So I think that that's my thing. Anyway, so it was reason, RIF, and then what was the final thing? Then we'll rotate, but. Okay. Yeah, we'll get everybody. That's my main thing, man. I just, I think it's the future of money.

Awesome. Awesome. Hey, I just saw a good friend pop in. Hold on. What's up, Andy? Welcome. Hey, hey, bullish party people. Welcome, welcome, everybody watching, Andy Edstrom. Andy, do you want to just let everybody know who you are before we continue on with the conversation? We'll get you caught up. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah. Sounds good. I won't take much time.

Andy Edstrom, author of the book, Why Buy Bitcoin? Wealth manager. I guess I'm known. for going on record saying micro strategy might borrow money to buy Bitcoin. That's probably my claim to fame from last year. And then also, what's that? I said, you're an Oracle. I got the PayPal call within 10 days too. That was a good one.

But anyway, so yeah, I come from the dark side of finance and I'm trying to help bridge the two. And happy to be here. That's awesome. That's awesome. So Sonny was just saying that his reason for being bullish is just Bitcoin being the future of money, actually having sound money and the fact that it's in a digital form. To tag on to what he was talking about, the future of money, 100%. You know, we have sound money that gets rid of the faults of gold.

you know, the the physicality necessarily led towards centralization and the lack of verifiability. You know, it was too late by the time you realized that it was all fractional reserve, right? And so on its base layer, Bitcoin provides a sound money that has actual checks and balances. So if somebody overextends themselves, there is no lender. of last resort, it's like, no, okay, you've done too much and you made a mistake and the market sorts that out quicker than it would in traditional finance because as we've seen, the market doesn't sort it out because we've gone too far. And it's always, well, you're too big to fail, we'll print more money, we'll socialize the losses. There's no consequence anymore. And so

this future of money is incredible. And to another point of it, It was cool today. I recently, just like this past week, I hired an anonymous dude on Twitter to help me write my show notes just to like help cut down on some time and stuff. And he's like, yo, can you just, I ask him, do you want main chain? Do you want lightning? Like dollars were not even a conversation. And then I was like, I could do, if I want, I can do like a, you know, end of the week on main chain or

or god. We're going to do them here. There we go. And he's an important guy. He's in traditional finance. They expect things at standpoint within 48 hours. So, yeah. But I hired this dude and he's doing my show notes and helping me out with stuff.

And, yeah. So he's like, yeah, if we can, just pay me every. episode, Lightning, that's ideal. And I sent it off to him right away. He's like, and the conversation we had, he says, still feels amazing. And I said to him, I know, I love that I can pay an Aon on Twitter for work they provided instantly with no bank. And his reply was beautiful because he said, money is language. Zapping it at the speed of consciousness is the way it should be. And then he gave me a little bull emoji. and it was the best thing that I experienced today so far. So, you know, it is.

It's a future of money. So I don't know. If you guys want to tag on to that and what Sonny was talking about, be my guess. I mean, to me, I can just throw in a few comments. I think, frankly, and maybe it's that English is my second language, so I don't have a more elegant way of saying this. But I think Bitcoin is so much more than money. I think money is perhaps not the right description because I think what Bitcoin is, frankly, is an asset.

It's property. And it is that way because it has assurances that assets have, like transfers of ownership. There's a process whereby you transfer ownership of a Bitcoin. And it's similar to a notary public, which is similar to how you transfer an asset. So there is a third-party validation and a record of ownership. And that makes it a very, very interesting asset to me for many reasons. And I say that it's asset and not just money because, for example, if you consider a place like Venezuela, in any country in Latin America, maybe Argentina is a better example right now.

If they are to try to protect their wealth, their options are by dollars, which becomes a very almost ridiculous process because the central bank makes it very difficult for you to do so. Anyone that's tried to buy a car or a house in Latin America can speak to how traumatizing their experience can be. And anybody that's had an asset expropriated in Latin America can tell you that the property assurances of set properties are not very good. So Bitcoin, I think, provides an amazing reserve asset not just for institutions and corporations, which is where we're seeing today, but to family health. households as well. And many times these access to this this clean and pure and uncorrupted reserve was not in their reach. So I think it does materially change people's lives, you know. And that's exactly why we created our loan products because we can lend you the crappy money

that you want to get that is backed by this asset, right? And I think that's why the loan product is actually, you know, every time the market goes up, people kind of click a, why the point of it is. But the whole point of that was that we do see Bitcoin becoming the highest and best quality asset in a lot of portfolios in Latam. And people are going to look to get financing opportunities

and walk through the doors that Bitcoin opens. Yeah. And I mean, we've heard this narrative through a lot of people as of late as this kind of pristine reserve asset, like one of the best, you know, the highest quality reserve asset on the planet.

And, you know, we've seen that. We've had Michael Saylor talking about it. Preston Pish likes to talk about this kind of stuff a lot. It is above and beyond and just this incredible verifiable thing that with absolute scarcity, I don't know why you wouldn't want it as a reserve in some capacity. But let's, I don't know, what are your thoughts on this, Andy? What are you feeling as far as Bitcoin as it relates to the future of money and, and as Marisi was talking about even so much more beyond that?

Yeah, yeah. So a couple thoughts. So first of all, shout out to my awesome in-laws. We got me this phenomenally awful. Secondly, sorry, I had to step away for a second. That was my contact at Skybridge, which people probably know is Anthony Scaramucci's firm. And I thought that Michael's, I thought we had found the best pitchman on the planet for Bitcoin with Michael Saylor. And he still might be, but I think the mooch, you know, could play at his level.

You know, fortunately, I don't have to pick because now they're both on team Bitcoin. And, you know, this is the institutional money, you know, this is the flow that we've been talking about this whole time. Somewhere at the opposite end is, you know, yeah, people who live in countries, whether it's Venezuela or others, where this is the best available store of value and they can get into it, whether the government wants them to or not, and that's hugely important. So bookends of the spectrum, you know, between the people who need it most for their livelihoods to the wealthy who just want to either speculate or own some asset that is inflation proof, man, those are both important narratives. I happen to believe it's the future of money. It may be some years off before it's actually used as a medium of exchange, but man, that future date looks closer every day. And then the last thing I'll say is this afternoon, I will be. dropping an article on Bitcoin magazine co-authored with Peter McCormick and we're going to be

talking about various issues including how we Bitcoiners, you know, tell this, tell the story that we're trying to tell somewhere between people who desperately need an unsensurable store of value and, you know, moonbags and getting rich is the right path. And yeah, so I think that's, that may be the challenge we Bitcoiners have for this year is how do we shape the narratives? How do we appeal to different people in the right ways? And it's always been a challenge, but it's going to be even more challenging if number keeps going up. Yeah, 100%. How about you, Adam? Any thoughts on Bitcoin, future of money, that whole narrative? I think the emphasis that most people are comfortable with now that custody is so important. I think that for decades and centuries even, you know,

as a society we were told not to handle your money and now there's this, there's this bubble of people coming up and they understand that the future of money is one that you can own and control yourself that you have full kind of custody of. And I think that as it relates to the future of money, I would say that is like arguably the most important thing. And one thing that I always go back to, And one thing that I have hanging on my wall is the declaration of in from 1933 when the government stripped everyone from their gold. The reason that was possible is because like over 90% of the gold was stored in the banks and everyone just gave their goal to the bank because they didn't want custody of this heavy, you know, battle that was inconvenience to store and inconvenient to trade. It was much easier for the banks to take it. And Bitcoin just like eradicates all of that.

It is the most sound. it's the easiest thing to use in the world. Once you know how to use it, it is the easiest thing to use, store, travel with. You can do anything you want with Bitcoin. And I think that we finally get that. As a society, we're moving closer and closer towards a world that allows us to kind of take custody of this future of money.

I think that's what I love about it. Yeah, it definitely puts the emphasis on personal responsibility rather than pushing responsibility to somebody else. You know, like you can you can actually hold and not, you know, it's in a lot of instances. If you just want to hold your Bitcoin, it's safer to do it yourself. Totally. You know, rather than relying on somebody to secure it for you indefinitely,

why would you, you know, assume that that's safer, right? it becomes this honeypot. And that's the inversion that society is going to have to go to and realize that, okay, there is this change of infrastructure that makes self-custody more secure than pushing that on somebody else. So, yeah, definitely huge change and agreed, future of money. So I think right now we're sitting around 150 people watching, guys, smash like, give us a share. and thanks for being here. Keep those comments coming.

I'll bring up stuff that is relevant to what we're talking about. But let's jump to, let's jump to, we've done keep it simple, we've done sunny. Let's jump to Adam. Adam, what has you feeling bullish right now? Man, I got to say, this time just feels different. I feel like there's a lot more people here. And then I kind of thought of actually this morning, one of my shower thoughts was that like none of us were surprised. Like this is kind of like, we're all happy and like, oh, yeah, this is great.

You know, $40,000 dollar Bitcoin, that sounds magnificent. But we're not like, oh, wow, I can't believe this happened. You know, this is so shocking. We were just all like we were expecting this. We weren't sure if it was going to happen like this year or next year or like in two years. but none of us are just incredibly surprised that it happened. And it just, for me anyways, it feels, I think Ben, you were talking about it earlier, like you live on Bitcoin and it made you a better saver.

And I think that as we, we society go through this transition into better money and into Bitcoin ownership and self-custody, we will be better savers. Because I like, I remember at $5,000 Bitcoin, like, I thought I was the richest guy in the world. I was like, you know, this is insane. How could this have happened? Like this, this asset that came from nothing. And now at $40,000 Bitcoin, I'm like, I don't have enough. Like this is, this is not, this is not enough.

This is not good enough. I got to work harder. I got to stack more stats. I got to get, you know, even deeper into the rabbit hole, I guess you could call it. And so I think that I see that lots. And maybe it's just, you know, you see what you feel. And so I'm in my own circle and that's what we all kind of feel. But it's this bull run, if this even is,

I mean, there's a pretty good chance. This is just the prep for the board. This is like we're just kind of getting warmed up a little bit. I feel like there's stronger hands. There's more people. There's a different mindset. None of us are looking to get rich. This is like, this is a security play.

This is a philosophical play. It's no longer a finance. There's solely a finance play. This is bigger. This is society. Generational changing. And I think that like, I think everyone's lining their head because they're either trying to be nice or they agree.

And so I think that we're not the only six people in the world that think this. And it's really, really, I think, eye-opening just how many people are gathering behind, you know, code for money. And the fact that it's like programmable money is like the best way to have money, not like helicopter, you know, backed by someone else's promise from 150 years ago money. This is real money. And I think people like, I would say more people understand that. then don't understand that. And again, maybe that's my circle. Maybe I'm too involved in the community,

but I'm so bullish on our society that way. It doesn't feel different. You're still on a chair there, Adam. I heard you say you're back and sat super hard, but you've still got a chair. What's going on? You got to sell the chair. I'm the only one standing.

But I'm the only one standing here. I'm standing too. You just can't see it because of my green screen. You just used a bench. Ben's a poser. Guys, guys, I don't know if you noticed, but I've been in a deep squat this entire time. There is no chair. That's quad for like tree trunks.

There is like no stop. Leg day. Leg day. Every showday is leg day. Yeah. It does feel different, though. I agree, Adam. Like, it feels there's, I mean, one, kind of reflective in prices that like every dip I'm like,

I'm expecting those 2017 40% pullbacks and we're not seeing them. I know. Every dip you're like, is this a dip for ants? Like, it's crazy because it's just not material. And who knows, like it may still materialize, but it's seeming less likely because of the buy pressure and the types of people that are buying. You know, like it's interesting because there's this weird dynamic

where the polar opposite ends of the spectrum, in terms of like need and wealth are getting it first. You have people where maybe they're in a jurisdiction where it's absolute hyperinflation. So yes, they get it. And then you have other people that have a lot of money that are trying to preserve that wealth that now get it. And they're like, okay, maybe we need to move into this asset to save ourselves from that same reason that the people in hyperinflationary regimes. saw value. And so you see these polar opposites.

And then in the middle, there's like the early crazies that got it like here in Canada, North America. All the crazies are, oh, yeah, it's the future of money like six, seven,

eight years ago. But like it's, it seems as a whole, it's those polar opposite ends that are getting it first. And then it started, it will gradually filter towards kind of like the average main street kind of middle class individual.

I think, I mean, yeah. Well, sorry, Ben, I catch you off. No, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, like, on this podcast, we're talking about Bitcoin as a reserve currency. Like, no point last, last bull run in 2017 was anyone, it was like, buy target, sell target. That was the target. I don't know, I don't know if Michael Saylor has even thought, like, the word sell since he's bought Bitcoin.

It's not even in his, it's not even, it's like Bitcoin was just safer than cash and gold. That is what they chose to do. And I mean, it's proven to be pretty good. They've whatever tripled their their asset value on paper. And no one is pressuring him to sell. Well, maybe he's bored. But like I can't imagine another investment like that. We're at three, four X's.

And then someone doesn't tell you to sell. That's how you know. It's like, this is just the beginning. This time is just different. We're going to have a longer bull run because of it. Yeah. I think so. Keep it simple.

Sorry, go ahead. Can I just hear one thing? I know we brought up Facebook in a slightly different context, but I do want to say that I actually think that I spent a lot of time on Twitter, but Twitter is a bit of an echo chamber of like people that I like kind of consciously choose to follow, right? Like all the big pointers or whatever. But I find Facebook is a much better gauge of what, where humanity is at because it's like my parents and like the people I didn't choose.

They're just like the people I, you know, just born and I'll be honest with you. Yeah. And I'll be honest with you. like in Facebook, it's like crickets right now for me. Like I don't, I don't see a lot. I mean, yeah, a couple of friends from high school that have been kind of tracking me that are my age, that are maybe a bit in the tech that are just like,

okay, something's up that are maybe in finance. But by and large, I would still say 99.9% of the people and my social network is still not even. I think this is like something of like an institutional phenomenon of sorts or like the micro strategies of the world. It's like these kind of people are getting it. And but just I just wanted, it's this one rebuttal really quickly to Mauritio.

So, Mauritia, I think you're technically more correct. So I, the engineer and me would agree with you on that asset comment. I just think the word money is far more. Yeah. It's like more.

Let's just, let's just stop there. It's more. It's like, it's like religion. It's like politics. It's like, it just triggers you.

And I just love the fact that it does. It's like, how dare you say something, money, like asset? Like my kids don't know what the word asset is. My grandparents don't know. My parents barely care.

They care about money. Everybody cares. 100%. Andy, I'll let you pay off. What Sunny said, which is, you know, in terms of like my contacts and whatnot. I mean, on Twitter, I haven't been at the Twitter game as long as some of you guys. But yeah, it's definitely Bitcoin skewed. Totally right that the FOMO is on the institutional and on the, you know, high net worth.

Basically, it's the rich people. Rich people are FOMOing to the extent that it's happening. Yeah, I'm not getting that much, you know. I'm getting a little bit from family and friends, but that's mostly because, you know, like I have an email, an email list that I shill them relentlessly, you know, whether they want to hear or not. And but, yeah, we're, I don't think we're anywhere in terms of,

in terms of retail phoma. Yeah. You know, I, go ahead. Go ahead. Just go, go, no, please. Yeah, Kiss. I don't want to be a downer, but I've always kind of had the perspective that most people will end up using Bitcoin but not even be aware of it.

I think we're like the outliers where we're like excited, we're adding something, you know, investing our energy into this, we're investing into this. But it almost makes me a little sad because I feel like the time of the, the, the, the the PLEB, right, where we can accumulate a position like a life-changing position. over the course of let's say 10 years, like maybe already for some people life changing, right? I think that's over because $40,000 Bitcoin for 90% of Earth's population is like an astrum,

like they could never even have one. I mean, maybe they'll strive for that and that would be a beautiful thing and it will be life changing, but it's, it kind of makes me sad because it's like, oh, this is like a phase in Earth's history that's like coming to an end, like there will be no going back, you know what I mean?

like 100,000, 500,000, five million dollars of Bitcoin. This shit's gonna happen. When is it gonna happen? You know, four years, 10 years, it's gonna happen. We've been saying shit's gonna happen. It happens, it's gonna keep happening. But, you know, maybe a thousand stats, 10,000 stats at a time is all someone can do.

And that's fine, it's better than nothing. But yeah, I kind of, I'm a little bit nostalgic, like, oh, you know, that was, Those are good times, you know? Like, that's kind of finished, like, and that was a nice time period, and I'm glad I got to be part of that. And if there's a big fat drawdown and I get to buy more,

I love bull markets. I think I like a bear, sorry, I like bear markets. I think a little bit better than bull markets, because I'm just like, what the fuck is going on. Like, I don't know what to expect, what's gonna happen, munch and butts is gonna come at us. Biden's gonna come at like, it's like, I'm just ready, I got my seat in my head,

I got my go bag. I'm, like, ready for anything. Everybody watching now should know that KIS doesn't fuck around. He's the most offset conscious of all of us. He's wearing a mask. We're all screwed. But, you know, he's, no, no, we're not.

We're not. We're not. Because I feel like the world that we want to create, we have to go through that window of pain. But on the other side is a beautiful place. And I think we all believe that. Otherwise we're going to be investing our time. but it's going to be painful.

And I have friends, a good friend, investing quite a large sum of money now because he's getting it. He's like, what do you think it's going to look like? Like what is this like transition period, this fourth turning period or whatever you want to call it? What is that going to look like? Everyone's like, what's going to happen, you know? And fuck if I know, but I don't think it's going to be,

it's not going to be pretty. It's not going to be pretty. I think of Christian Bale at the end of the big short when he just like totally predicted the fall of the mortgage and they're like he's worth like hundreds of billion i don't know what the number is but he's not happy about it because it was like damn it we were right like we we predicted the the economic collapse of our nation and and we were right like we you know i think that all of us probably have that mindset in the back of our minds of like this this is going to be uncomfortable for sure can i just say for a second that i think the overall

phenomenon and a couple of things. So one passing thought I had and we read a weekly research letter that we put out every Monday and we actually talked about this in this Mondays which I think what we're starting to see is Michael Saylor did his purchase. Very openly he said that most corporate boards would take six to 12 months to complete a similar that clock started ticking in October. Everyone is waiting for these announcements to start in January, February, March. Corporate boards take long, to make decisions. High net worth individuals that have experience that these boards understand that. And they also understand that these boards are not very price sensitive. And they're going to

buy once their allocation decision has been made, they're going to go and deploy and they're going to allocate. What I think we're starting to see is high net worth people front running corporate board allocations and their purchases. And essentially, that's why every dip is getting soaked because the announcements haven't come out yet. But most people are the people in the very likely think that it's coming because it's not just going to be Michael Saylor, it's not just going to be Guggenheim, it's not just going to be Paul Tudor Jones. Now it's a club and you're not in it. And so for that.

And then the second piece, which I think feeds into that narrative is that what we are actually seeing parallel to the rise of Bitcoin is the potential death of the US dollar. That has many, many more ramifications than the success of Bitcoin because that is where our entire economic system relies on. So what I think is starting to happen is this collective awakening in the United States investment community that there may be a weaker dollar and they are starting to see if it rotates out of the dollar, where does it go? And can we buy a call option on that?

And that's what Bitcoin is. And that's why people are jumping into it. So I'll pause. Yeah. I love that. Also, Maricio, in previous chats we've had, I don't, can. you were necessarily super convinced that the US dollar was in danger. You seem a little bit more on that wavelength now. I think that's a sentiment across, I mean, this, you know, a year ago,

even, it would still be questionable, but what we saw in 2020 was unbelievable. And I think it's in, you know, at least the back of a lot of people's minds who have deep pockets. Now, to, to kiss this point, regarding the plebs. Now, I have something to add. Andy had something to add, too. I want to echo really quick what Kiss said. And then I think, I'm not sure, but Andy might be trying to refute a little bit.

But I want to show, I tweeted this earlier, if I can, hold on, there we go. So I tweeted out earlier today, at $100,000 Bitcoin, some millionaires will begin to be priced out of becoming SAT billionaires. So at $100,000 Bitcoin, if you're a millionaire, if you just have a million dollars, you can no longer buy a billion sats.

You can no longer become a billionaire in SAT terms, which was achievable for regular PLEBs at one time. It's it is becoming, it's harder to stack than it once was. And I do like the idea of moving to the SAT standard to make it more accessible. But yeah, like, you know, 10 Bitcoin for a millionaire, eventually they won't have the assets to get their hands on it. And we're not far off that. Like if you have a million dollars of dry powder, you know, in a few months, you might not be able to get 10 Bitcoin, which is crazy. which is insane.

But Andy, okay, you have a screen share. I'm going to add it here and maybe elaborate what you're talking about. Is it live? It is. Sorry, I'm an unrepented shill, but I had to do this to augment kisses point when he said that, you know, the window may be closing on the, you know, on the plebs. And this was Skybridge's deck. I had no affiliation with them, but they put this quote in on page 17.

and I agree, I just, I agree completely. I mean, it's still, you know, it will pump forever, so to speak, I think, or at least much, much farther and for years to come on average with downturns. But, yeah, the era, it saddens me a bit that the error of cheap corn seems to be at an end. I hope I'm wrong, but I think kids, I think kids. Is that, that's Skybridge's deck? Yeah. So they might be on to something.

But as Marisa, I think Marisa said, like, yeah, you know, they're, everyone's trying to front run everyone else. That's the, that's the beauty of the NGO technology. That's the beauty of the game theory. And, yeah, it's coming. Hey, Andy, because this later will be audio only on the podcast as well, do you want to just even just read on your screen a few of the points there? that you see are important?

Yeah, yeah. I think that, I think that, you know, they're saying, okay, the hedge funds are coming, public company treasurers are coming, insurance companies are coming, pension funds are coming, RIAs are coming. By the way, RIA is a registered investment advisor, and then Bitcoin ETF is coming, and that banks and brokerage firms are coming. And we've been hearing this narrative for years now. I mean, I've only been in since 2017, and that was the narrative back then, too,

I do think, though, that this time is different. And yeah, I do think that this is the one asset class in modern history, wherever people had a shot at it before the companies and the hedge funds and the billionaires. And that window may be closing, at least in terms of the cheapness of the asset. Yeah. They had 10 years, though. We all had 10 years. If they didn't get it in 10 years, fuck them.

Hey, hey, KISS, there's somebody in the chat here. He seems to recognize you. He says the guy in the middle with the mask, kind of looks like the guy in the capital. Where were you the other one? Slanders talk. Dangerous. I was in Nancy, I was in Pelosi's office. That's where I was.

That wasn't that guy. Oh, that's great. Okay. So I got a, I'm coming up on my time, but I'm going to squeeze in our last couple reasons for being bullish. So I'm going to pass it to Maricio. here. Maricio, why are you feeling bullish lately? What are you seeing? I mean, I've covered a lot of what I wanted to say in sort of my previous contributions, but I think it's a collective. I'm from Venezuela, right? I was born to raise in inflation and I got to see the people that understand

inflation just become incredibly wealthy and the people that don't understand inflation get drowned by inflation. I don't think that cycle changes. I still think that. I still think that that there are people that cannot get on the lifeboat. And I think you're starting to see that in Canada. And you see that anywhere where you print inorganic money and it goes into finger-pointing directions because money is not supposed to be created and awarded. It's supposed to be earned.

So when you start arbitrarily selecting who gets to have money and who doesn't get to have money, you fuel inequality and you shoot the wealth gap in proportions that you do not understand. or at least people that haven't experienced that understand. What I think is happening right now is there is a reckoning of the middle class. A wrecking ball is coming across the middle class and small businesses. And it is basically providing a fuel and lift to anybody that has assets.

Because assets are going up to the, I can't say bad words here, but assets are getting price by the sky. And if you look at rental, the rental market, it's dying. it's dying and why is that happening because the people that can afford to sit on an empty home or the same kind of people that can afford to sit on 100 bish ones very different from the guy that needs to rent it so i what's happening is incredible for bitcoin but it can have serious impacts in the way we view the world and the way the world operates today which i don't know if it's going to lead us in a direction that is as beautiful and rosy as a lot of bitcoiners think

I think we have a lot of values and while not perfect North America has held the baton as far as like where the world goes and who operates and who accesses the financial systems. Once, if and when that baton passes, things can look very, very different and I think

that's the fear in everybody's mind and that's what's being reflected. So look at every short dollar trade. Don't look at long Bitcoin. look at the Canadian dollar. What has Canada done? What have we done during the pandemic that is better than the U.S.? Why is our dollar 14% appreciated, 50% appreciated? Look at the Mexican peso.

Look at Colombia. Look at Brazil. Same thing. So I think it's easy for us to think of this as a Bitcoin-centric event, but I think it's way more than that. And so, sorry, I know I went on a bit of a... No, that's good. I also, I saw Andy nodding so much.

He was damn near going to break his neck. So Andy, do you want to jump in? No, no. I'll pass the torch to the rest of you guys. I think that, you know, I'm not as bearish on the dollar near term. You know, I don't think this is, you know, the year of the dollar meltdown. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it loses, you know, the Dixie index, the DXY goes down, you know, another. 10 points, you know, or 10%, that would not surprise me at all.

However, the long term, you know, in the long term, if Bitcoin reaches its potential, then, yeah, Bitcoin will be the thing. But I've been wrong before and I could be wrong again, so we'll see how it plays out. Sonny, do you want to add on to Maracio's sentiments? Yeah, well, I definitely agree with all the bullish sentiment. The one thing I maybe would say to kind of, you know, because I think we're we're getting into the end of the hour here, is that even though I believe that Bitcoin's a future of money, I'm not a financial advisor, people should do their own research, they should have their own

financial advisor, they should read and, you know, do all, read the books, the Y Bitcoin, why buy a Bitcoin book, they should do their own research and make their own decisions. But, or however, I should say, what I've found to work best for most people that don't have a lot of time to trade or whatever is something called dollar cost averaging, where you where you essentially just divorce yourself from the emotion. element of Bitcoin and you realize that Bitcoin is essentially saving technology and you just buy a little bit at the end of every month you live a simple life you don't spend much money and then you leave Whatever money you need for like your emergency for three to six months in fiat because you need to pay rent or your mortgage or your house or whatever your car bills And you don't want to be left aside so people should be responsible about it and and they shouldn't expose themselves just because they're excited and they feel like it's getting away. They should not put themselves in a position where they can't you know meet you

their immediate needs because yeah definitely yeah that's let's pass it to Adam now that sunny said that I have to jump in you know since since I'm on the team at Swan Swan Bitcoin yeah baby thank you Sonny that's great Adam Adam how about you what do you think about Maricio's sentiment couldn't agree more man I mean I had this discussion with some close trusted colleagues the other day. And we were talking about the current state of our world and our money supply. And we were kind of discussing quantities, not in numbers, but in levels. And we discussed it in two different buckets.

And one bucket was, do you want enough Bitcoin to look after your family and generations and the rest of common? That's phenomenal. or do you want country founding Bitcoin? Do you want the ability to found your own country, to have the ability to be totally self-sovereign? And I was like, yeah, I want country founding Bitcoin. And it didn't know what that. Exactly.

And like dollar cost averaging, like removing yourself from that emotional state, like treat your Bitcoin as the reserve currency, right? everyone right now, you know, on crypto Twitter, shilling like Ethereum and all this other nonsense. It's like, look at the sacks. Look at what has actually happened. Comparing the Canadian dollar to like, you know, Venezuelan money is, I wouldn't even call it a currency, is like a horrible misrepresentation of what it is. And that's like, that's the equivalent of, you know, comparing Ethereum to Canadian dollars or other altcoins to. to Canadian dollars.

That's not the standard. It's the SAT standard. And we have to have Bitcoin as the reserve. Yeah, 100%. Kiss. What is the name of your Citadel when you found your own country? That is a great question. I am going to neither confirm nor deny that I have a plot of land somewhere with a stake in it,

with the name on it. I just can't, I can't share that information. Offsec is too real. Storm the gates. Is that a Blair B shirt, Ben? Oh, it is, yeah. Awesome. Oh, that's awesome.

I mean, red, blue dots and red dots. I'm colorblind as hell. I don't know what's going on. Those look green to me, brother. I am legit colorblind. If anybody doesn't know, I'm so colorblind. But, Kiss, if you want to add anything to what Maricio said, awesome. And then we'll hand it to Andy for the last reason for being bullish to cap us off.

I mean, look, I agree with it. I think something I thought about recently was that what I'm seeing all over Twitter and, you know, this front, this institutional front running and everything. I think a lot of this Bitcoin acquisition claiming your stake of, you know, Bitcoin's scarce supply is kind of out of fear, right? It's like, oh, we're scared the dollar's going to devalue or, you know, it's kind of like fear of missing out, literally out of fear. And I think a better way to reframe that is you have authority over something, right? Because you don't ever own a Bitcoin or own Bitcoin, but you have authority over UTXOs. You have authority over something that is completely unique in the solar system, literally bigger than Earth. like it is so unique, distinct, and special.

And I think when people kind of think about it differently, then number go up is super important. Don't get me wrong. But price won't even matter because everything will follow the scarcity, right? The fundamental power of the scarcity. And so, yeah, I mean, I agree with everything else. said everything awesome let's let's head it to uh over to andy by the way again a hundred i've seen up upwards of 160 170 at some point watching the video smash that like button

give this a share thank you all for being here uh let's ask it to andy andy what has you feeling bullish this weekend we'll round out this topic all right thanks ben so the thing that has me most bullish is every one of you guys on this call and everybody listening and watching right this is This is grassroots. This is, you know, every one of you is either educating people or actually building something that's making Bitcoin more useful. And the more we do that, you know, the more people figure it out and the closer we get toward Bitcoin reaching its potential.

So I'm just grateful for every one of you. I'm grateful for all the listeners and watchers. And to everyone listening and watching, the best thing about Bitcoin is you. Awesome. I love that. And you know what? I think the way we take this topic then is let's each take a moment to shill something that somebody else, not necessarily on the panel, but just somebody who has created something, whether it be a product or an educational resource, let's all shill something that we really value. And since this is Andy's topic, I will use the occasion.

Andy doesn't even need to shill it himself. Why buy Bitcoin? Andy wrote this excellent resource. Pick it up. It's on Amazon and it's a beautiful read. So Andy, my hat's off to you for writing this book. I really appreciate it. Oh, nice.

There we go. Yeah, look, I will. I will, we already talk. talked about Swan, so I'm going to put it right back at you, Ben. I mean, your videos, I guess if I have to call one out, I really like the work you've done on how to construct a note. I just, I think the soup in that, you know, step by step, what pieces to buy, how to assemble them, you know,

all in a clear, uh, clear, uh, beginning to end fashion is awesome. So my, my hat's off to you. Awesome. Thanks, man. And, uh, let's pass it to, to, to, Kiss Bitcoin. I mean, the content creator extraordinaire himself, obviously check him out. I have links to his Twitter down below and then you can find the rest of his stuff through that. But Kiss, who do you, what have you seen that's been created out there that you've really liked, that you respect a lot?

I respect everyone on Twitter because you can see it on Twitter. but everyone who has the patience to walk someone right from the beginning because I don't. And it's like I do what I can do, but that skill set, like that patience to go through all these things, to walk someone through it, you know, is so special. And I'm so grateful for everybody who does it, whether they're doing it on an individual basis and we'll never see that. People that do it on Twitter, I mean, all of you guys, I'm sure, do it to some degree too. so I'm grateful to all of you because that's required.

Every single individual needs that to some degree. And so I think it's super important and valuable. Awesome. Adam, how about you? Who do you want to shout out to something that you've seen created, something that you think is a service to people? Ooh, I went a different direction, and I'm going to use that. I think, well, first of all, I think cold card,

phenomenal product and I think that I'm not sure if we're shilling well I mean we show incredible products here so yeah whatever whatever whatever you think benefits bitcoiners man it's amazing but I think that everyone that has gotten wrecked by shit coins and alternative markets like that thank you because you and your sacrifice will make the world a better place in the future and I've gotten a lot of texts recently from people that were like, you were right, should have just held Bitcoin. I don't know why I was messing around with like, not even coins, just as other nonsense. And so thank you to everyone.

Your sacrifice does not go unnoticed. And we appreciate you. And your future generations will appreciate you as well. Well, yeah. I think, and in, and I think it's said in a non-malicious way in that it's, it's the price of tuition and everybody goes through it. We all went through it right? And so it's this

learning curve where it's like oh shit I fucked up and if you got skin in the game that fuck up has consequence and so you know in some way shape or your article isn't that a video or an article you wrote about your your road to maximism that's like that is

the essence of what of what the cost of tuition is it's such a it's a magnificent piece. Yeah yeah it's it's it's wild, but yeah, 100%, you know, to the people that are learning, your lessons that you learn can be passed down to others so they don't have to make the same mistakes. So thank you.

And Sonny, let's pass it to you. What have you seen that you love that has been created in the Bitcoin space? I'm not just copying, but I swear to God I was going to say cold cards. So I actually found more than copying, but I swear to God. I already made the mental when the whole thing came up. And so I was like, I can deviate now, but I'm not going to. Cold card it is. Rodolfo, or, sorry, I should, maybe I'm doxing them, but NVK on Twitter,

these guys are some of the early pioneers and have tons of respect for them. And I think anyone that's been in the Bitcoin space for this long, and that's been so, like, on the straight and narrow, I don't know. I just have tons of respect for those guys. So that's my shill. And my parting comment would be that it's not about. just the number go up, that more people should do what we're all doing, which is building on top of Bitcoin, right?

Like whatever it is, whether it's a podcast or a book or business, yeah. Yeah, awesome, awesome. And Maracio, how about you? What have you seen that's been built or created or something that you think is a great tool of the community? There's a lot, but I think content is very important. Like creating content, I want to give a huge, huge compliment to anybody that creates Bitcoin content in languages other than English.

Because that is imperative, and it's paramount for people everywhere that really, really need Bitcoin to understand it. People seem to forget that Bitcoin has a very steep learning curve as it is, and most of the bank don't speak English or have iPhones, by the way, side note for some developers. And the other piece that I wanted to thank you is content not only allows information to get diffused, but it allows people that build things to explain what we do, to many people that may not have the chance to find what we do. And going back to our experience, I want to thank you, Ben, because you were the first show that we as Lennon, as a company, ever sponsored,

and it was the first time we ever tried such a thing. And as you can see, it's worked pretty well for us. So I want to thank you for believing in us back then and happy to be working with you still. It's almost been two years now, hey? Yeah. Like coming up in, I think, April. It'll be two years.

Yeah. So, you know, I met Maricio at some events, you know, you're in Calgary and Edmonton. And, yeah, I don't know. We just got chatting. And, you know, we had a really good chat. If you guys go back, I interviewed Maricio about his experience, you know, coming from Venezuela and kind of the overarching story of what went on there. And it is jaw-dropping. So if you want insight into how the overreach of central bank and government can go wrong,

it's a draw-dropping story. And it's to date probably one of my favorite interviews that I've ever done. So it's, you know, check it out. But yeah, guys, thank you so much. This was awesome. And again, like, a great day to do it. It's been a crazy week. What I'll do is I'll just go down the line really quick and just do it.

a quick once again who you are where people can find you kiss take it away first thank you so much for having me it was great talking with all of you guys um grateful to all of you keep it simple bickgoin.com bitcoin tutorials let's just make it easy learn how to do this stuff properly take care of yourself privacy and security matters that's it all awesome uh adam i'll pass it to you and just in case you forget because i know this is in the back of your mind uh you're you're doing a little contest too. So if you want to throw that in here, we can give that a mention too. But Adam, go ahead. Yeah, definitely. So me personally, at Adam O'Brien underscore on Twitter. And our company at the Bitcoin Well, go check us out. We're giving away. I think there's $3,000 in prizes to give

away. So go, it's just a simple follow us, retweet, we're Shadow Band on Twitter. So we've got to get those views up somehow. And lucky for you guys, we're paying you for it. So go check us out at the Bitcoin Well on Twitter. Awesome. Sunny, take it away. Cool. So my personal website is sunny ray.com. People can follow me there. And then my two companies, so one is Unocoin, which is India's first Bitcoin company. That's unocoin.com. And then the other one is paycase.com as well.

So we're in Canada and both of them have similar missions in terms of, you know, bridging the gap between Bitcoin and everyone. Awesome. Andy. Hey, thanks, Ben. Quick question for Sunny. study podcast or content on the i or sorry yeah on the iPhone like app uh podcast app can i find your pot up oh oh i see what you're asking um yeah no no i i you know i by the way i'm new to this podcasting thing so that's building on bitcoin dot com it's just a youtube thing for now okay um okay if you go to that website i'll take you straight to to youtube um hey just one quick thing

i just wanted to say ben um thank you very much for this opportunity i really really appreciate you extending this invite to me. And then just one last, last thing. I did want to do a quick shout out to my co-founders who literally took on the central bank in India last year that shut down every Bitcoin company. We had to fire 100 people. We had to go through like Helen back for almost two years, almost shut down our company, but we didn't.

My co-founders fought and ended up eventually winning. And now two million people of our customers in India get access to Bitcoin. And so big thanks. Shout out to those guys. Tim Draper's, our investor, Barry Silbert and lots of other people like Max Kaiser have been helping us from day one. So yeah, just a big thank you to them and our customers as well. So thanks, thanks to Ben.

That's awesome. I love stories like that. You fought the bank and you won. That's right. Andy, how about you? Love that. Yeah. Obviously, why buy Bitcoin?

It's on Amazon. Swanbitcoin.com. and my Twitter is Edstrom Andrew. Awesome. And Maricio, you get the last word. Here. Ladin.com is our company, Bitcoin savings accounts,

Bitcoin back loans. If you don't want to sell your Bitcoin, and if you want to hold dollars, we pay you 12.5% APY. So compare that to your bank and make your own decisions. And yeah, you can find us on Twitter ad haul with Latin. atle. is at Cryptonomist with an A at the end because I'm from Latin America, so Cryptonomista.

And yeah, that's me. Awesome. Well, gentlemen, thank you for being here. I'm going to, I'll drop the audio and video for everybody, but it was a pleasure and I'll say my goodbyes to everybody else. So off we go. Guys, if you're still here, if you stuck through the entire show, I appreciate it. I love that you all came and joined us here, you know, somewhere between 150, 200 people.

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