BTC Sessions - WHY ARE WE BULLISH? Dan Kuhman, Brianna Honkawa d'Estries, Brandon-Keys ep240

Episode Date: February 26, 2022

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the show. Another Friday. Another episode of Why Are We Bullish. All new guests this Friday. Very excited for this conversation. It should be a lot of fun. As always, of course, like, subscribe, share.

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it live. I can, I'll write it and we'll do it live. The fucking thing sucks. Before we get rolling, of course, I want to give a big shout out to my number one fan, David. David was here three hours early in the comment section. I love you, man. Can't wait to hear your takes on everything that's going on today. But also for everybody else that's already here, love you too. I am Ben with the BTC sessions.

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So check them out. With that, I'm going to stop my rambling. I've got to get everybody in here. We've got Brianna, we've got Dan, we've got Brandon. Welcome everybody to the show. All new guests, very excited to have you. So let's do a quick round of intros. I'm just going to go in the order that I have on my screen.

So Brianna, welcome, first time guest. Can you let people know who you are and what you do? Hi, thanks so much for having me. I'm Brianna. I'm Chief of Staff at Noah. We're building an all-in-one money app that can be used globally. So thanks savings, loans, credit, lightning payments all in one place. If you don't know what NOAA is or you haven't heard of it, check out NOAA.com.

We like to say we're the money app of the future. That's exciting. And so I guess I'll be learning more about it today. But again, living on Bitcoin, I'm always looking for new stuff for that. So I'm very excited. I joined the wait list. And I left a link. in the show notes to sign up for the wait list because I'm very curious.

And if it's anything that helps me live on Bitcoin, then I very much would enjoy that. So, yeah, if you're curious about them, and I'm sure you'll be talking about it in the show, check them out down below. But yeah, thanks for being here. Let's get the other gentleman to give a little intro. Brandon, I'll go to you first. Who are you? What do you do?

All right. I am Brandon. I am a co-founder of Green Candle Investments. along with Dan, we host the State of Bitcoin podcast as well as write a couple newsletters. One strictly on Bitcoin, basically revolved around our state of Bitcoin podcast. And we host Twitter spaces as well every 4.30 p.m. Eastern Time, so a little bit before this. And then we also do a little stock market and stock analysis stuff as well. And we host the Sunday Scary Stock Talk podcast there too.

So we got a lot going on here at Green Candle. Damn, that's awesome. Well, I'm excited to have you and the guys over at the Canadian Bitcoin podcast. Highly recommend you guys. So I'm happy to have you on. But we'll see if you gave Dan anything else to say. But Dan, welcome as well. Who are you?

Who are you? What do you do? Yeah, good to be here. I'm Dan. Brandon crushed it. Co-founder, Green Candle. And as he said, yeah, we're just pumping out a bunch of content right now. And nine to five, I'm a data scientist. So, yeah, that's me.

That's awesome. All right. Well, thank you all for being here. Those watching, also, thanks for being here. Canadian bitcoins are in the house as well as, I have to, you know, all the new guests that are unfamiliar. I also have to introduce them to David. David is my number one fan. He hates Bitcoin, but he is here every Friday, sometimes hours early.

And so David would like to say that Bitcoin has too much promotion but no action so far. And I very much value that input. So thank you, David. He also wants to know, maybe you guys can answer this. He also wants to know why all these Bitcoiners seem to be living in apartments. Do you guys have a retort to that? Well, technically I live in a duplex. So I don't know if that's considered an apartment or not.

But yeah, I mean, I guess kind of, it's a house. according to the mortgage lender. Is that Peter Schiff's burner account or what? Could be. I don't know. But, you know, we love him here. I think he's like the Sessions mascot. So I'm happy to have them every week.

So, yeah, this is for those unfamiliar watching right now. This is why are we bullish. We go by the three R's. Very simple here. Somebody's going to give a reason why they're feeling bullish this week or whatever time frame you're going with. Then altogether, after your little rant, we're going to riff on that reason altogether.

And then finally, we will rotate to the next person until we get all the way through. Really simple. So I typically get us started and then we'll just go around. Just looking at my screen right now, it'll probably be me and I'll go, Brianna and Brandon and the Dan. That's cool with you guys. But I'm going to get us started off.

And so my reason for being bullish, has to do around Bitcoin's scaling and Bitcoin's privacy. And so what I was thinking about a lot in this past little bit, the past couple of weeks, a couple of months, even longer, in and around the scaling bit. You know, that was very contentious and worrisome back when I kind of first dove into Bitcoin. You know, 2014, 15, 16, and around there. You know, people weren't, they didn't know how things were going to play out.

Would there be a block size increase? Where are we going to hard fork all these different things and or Bitcoin just can't scale? And then we had the implementation of Segwit, which effectively allowed for more transactions, more transactional throughput in each block. But it also added some features needed in order to allow for the creation of Lightning Network and allow that. to be implemented. And so now we're seeing on-chain has scaled. We're seeing Lightning Network has scaled Bitcoin massively. And we're also seeing side chains like Liquid Network helping to scale Bitcoin. But there's still people look at that and they say, even with Lightning Network, if you really break it down, at some point it could be difficult for people to get on

chain exposure and are we going to have to default to custodial models and everything like that to allow people to actually interact with Bitcoin? And it makes me think back to old Andreas Antonopoulos talks when he talks about scaling Bitcoin and how the internet scaled and how it failed to scale gracefully over and over again. And you'd always bump up into these kind of ceilings until you burst through them. and there's a new innovation that allows it to scale more. You know, at first it was, you know, you had text and then everybody started putting pictures on the internet.

How the hell are you going to scale that? And then they managed to. And then all of a sudden, YouTube happens. And oh, my God, the internet will never handle this. And then it does. And now we're doing 4K videos streaming direct to multiple TVs in our home. And next is, you know, VR and all these different things. And the internet is scaling to do them.

And we're kind of seeing the same thing from Bitcoin because we're starting to see these little improvements at the base layer and in layers above. And one of these new proposals, it's not implemented. It's not close to being implemented. But it's a possibility down the line is something called coin pool. And so I'm going to share my screen here. But this is from Marty Bent over at Tales from the Crypt on his newsletter. which if you're not subscribed, the Bent is an excellent daily read.

But he talks about something called CoinPool. And what this effectively means is that you could have fractional ownership of an individual Bitcoin UTXO. So you could have a provable ownership of a part of a Bitcoin on chain, not just lightning network, not in secondary layers, but on chain. This will require a few soft forks to make it possible, but you could create a coin pool where there's, say, a UTXO for one Bitcoin and you have, you own 2% of that single Bitcoin UTXO.

And not only that, but you can transfer ownership of that piece of Bitcoin within that single UTXO back and forth. And so what I'm getting at here is where there was an assumption that eventually people may not have on-chain ownership of Bitcoin down the line in terms of scaling. It's looking like there's a possibility that it could massively scale on-chain Bitcoin with something like this. And so the reason that I kind of got thinking about that is in relation to privacy is I think of, where we were 2014, 15, 16 in and around scaling. And it was like, it became a big debate and a worrisome thing, particularly in and around early 2017, of how the hell is this thing ever going to scale?

It's so contentious. And then all of a sudden these past few years, just a flurry of activity in and around this because it became needed. It became a thing that people were concerned enough about. and enough people wanted to put time and effort into that we're starting to see the fruits of people's labor at this point. And I think that the same thing, given the political climate around the globe right now, particularly where I am in Canada, I think we're going to see the same thing happen with privacy. But I think we're already starting from a better position than where we were in terms of

scaling. And I say that because I've done a shitload of videos on different privacy tools for Bitcoin. You know, you have, you know, decentralized exchanges that you can go to if you're not keen on on KYC exchanges. Are they super easy? That's debatable. I'd say not quite yet. But you also have coin joint implementations. You have Sparrow wallet implementing Whirlpool along with Samurai wallet. You have wasabi. you also have state chains which allow you to basically swap UTXOs with people with no indication that anything has happened on chain, which is crazy. And then more recently, I did a video on PayNMs,

which is basically like a public ID that you can easily share and receive on chain Bitcoin without sharing a public address that people can then take as, as a starting point of, oh, we all know that this is this person's address. So there's a lot going on in the realm of privacy right now. I think I've heard rumblings of Paynems rolling out to other wallets. It's already kind of half baked into Sparrow, and I imagine that will be fully baked in sooner or later here. I've heard rumblings about blue wallet adding it and potentially others.

And even outside of that, Lightning Network, you know, there's a higher degree of privacy with lightning transactions. I just think there's so much happening already prior to the shitstorm that has been the beginning of this year, that it is inevitable that these tools will continue to be fine-tuned, built upon, and new tools that we haven't even seen yet are going to hit the ground running. and I'm very excited for that. So I guess I'll leave it as the things that we are worried about today, which I see a lot of in terms of privacy,

are becoming easier to use. And given what I've seen with scaling, I don't think we've seen anything yet five years out from now. I can only imagine how awesome some of the tools are going to be. So I'm going to leave it there. I'm going to, I don't know if you guys have any thoughts around scaling, around privacy, around tools in Bitcoin that you want to chime in on. And anybody can jump in.

Yeah, I'll jump in. I don't know much about CoinPool. I was looking at Marty's article and then reading the white paper. I still don't fully have my mind wrapped around it. So I won't speak specifically about CoinPool. But I think things like the Lightning Network are absolutely massive for scalability. Now the key is to implement them into things that are incredibly easy to use. which is why I'm so bullish to see things like cash app and strike that have implemented

Lightning Network in a super easy to use intuitive app because at the end of the day, you're just not going to capture, I think, a broad part of the population without a very easy and intuitive UI, Ux, right? Like, it's going to be about the developers creating the apps now, I think, to capture people. I think about my dad who's in his 60s. You know, he's, trust me, he doesn't want to go through. I tried to get him set up with a cold card. It's like, it's tough. It's tough to get people to buy into these things when it's when it's complicated. And then especially in the U.S., so, you know, I see what's going on in Canada. And it's unfortunate that so many people in the West have to

experience these things firsthand to understand the demand for them. And it's unfortunate that we are starting to experience in them firsthand. But, you know, the freezing of bank accounts, this kind of stuff's been happening globally for what decades now and now we're experiencing it. So maybe that's going to speed people up on creating the things, the technologies that we need to enhance privacy. But yeah, as far as scalability, it's, you know, I love to see these privacy tools and now it's just about the developers implementing them into easy to use and intuitive UI, UX designs. Yeah. I got it. You mentioned about your dad. I I got to tell you, I had a parental win the other day.

I was so excited. My stepdad, who's just about to retire, called me up the other day. He's like, okay, Ben, I just need one little bit of help here. He was in the midst of for the first time utilizing his hardware wallet, which has his Bitcoin on it, to make a payment to bull Bitcoin to pay a bill. So he had, he literally had his laptop out. He had his hardware wallet queued up. It opened.

He had bull Bitcoin open. And he was paying a bill or sending money to his bank account through the interface. And he basically did it all on his own. The literally the only issue that he had is he just didn't see the part where there was a drop down menu, like to get to the next step. But he literally got through doing his own hardware wallet, Bitcoin. Bitcoin transaction to an entity to pay an online bill with Bitcoin. And I was blown away. And I think he was very proud of himself too.

Because my mom told me that he was bragging afterwards. Yeah, that's fantastic. And it's interesting too because like that little drop down box, that's all, that's just UI. Like, oh, it's not intuitive that that's where you have to go next. That's just a, that's just a UI problem. I think the privacy part of it is the hard part to solve. Now it's just figuring out the great like putting together a good UI, UX.

so that it is intuitive so that you know it's you see the the drop down box right away yeah absolutely yeah i definitely agree with that too and i kind of have a similar story with like onboarding my parents uh that that was that was my christmas gift to them was giving them all some bitcoin and i did it through cash app and uh just showing them kind of how easy it was through the lightning network and how it was so simple to transfer transfer you know funds from one person to another um with very little fees and everything like that. It kind of got them a little bit more interested. But yeah, I definitely agree on the privacy tools. I think that it's going to start scaling. I think that it, you know, the original start of Bitcoin was kind of the use case was on the Silk Road, right? So

people were using it. And it was very difficult to keep the privacy, but that was, you know, the reason for the design, right? And now we're kind of seeing more widespread need for that privacy. you know, unfortunately we're facing some of those issues here in the West, you know, the issues in Canada and everywhere else are really unfortunate. And, you know, it's tough to see down here in the U.S. too, that it's happening so close to us. You know, I, for one, maybe I'm ignorant, but I would have never would have thought that something like this would be happening, you know, in Canada or the United States or, you know, anywhere this close. But, yeah, I definitely think that this, as unfortunate as it is, is kind of maybe a push for developers to start helping,

you know, make those privacy tools a little bit better and a little bit more accessible. So like the average person like Dan's parents, my parents and people who maybe aren't as tech savvy can, you know, have that privacy and still have access to their money and their capital. So yeah, I definitely think so. And it's funny because you say that, you know, some of the original thought back in the day with Silk Road and oh, this is private and everything. And everybody and that was an ongoing narrative for quite some time, even amongst mainstream media. Oh, it's totally anonymous, which obviously it was not. And now it's starting to be, I see more mainstream stuff about it where it's like, oh no, you can actually track every bit of this. I'm wondering

if the narrative will lag behind again and everybody would be like, oh, no, no, no, you can absolutely see everything as all of these tools improve and all of a sudden it does become pretty private and and the narrative is lag and they're like oh no you can see everything and and and but the bickowners are like actually now you can't so that's what i'm hoping yeah it's kind of seems like the fud cycles uh through bitcoin right so you know it doesn't it uses too much energy then it doesn't and then it comes back so it might be one of those things where it just kind of a never-ending cycle yeah probably Brianna, go ahead. Yeah, I actually have a funny parent story too.

My mom has been a bit coiner since like 2015. And she wears her open dime on a necklace around her neck and she sleeps with it every night. But yeah, she's obsessed. She messages me about it every single day and I'm like, wow, you're really on top of the news more than I am. No, but going back to the UIU.S. point that Dan was making, I think whoever figures out how to make a truly non-custodial wallet that is super, super user-friendly to the point where I could hand it over to someone, you know, a random person on the street and they'd figured out, they would figure out how to

use it. I think that's, you know, the billion sack question, right? Like how do we build an app like that? I think whoever figures that out is going to be very, very rich. Speaking of a billion sats, does your mom have a billion sats sitting on that open I cannot, I cannot disclose any of that information. I don't even know. She won't tell me, so no idea. It could be like a decoy. I have no idea.

Yeah, probably. That's awesome. Well, I guess we can round this topic out here. Again, in general, if anybody's watching and they're curious about, these types of tools. It's, you know, it's still early stages with a lot of the, I mean, it's still early stages with Bitcoin itself. But, you know, if you're curious about this kind of stuff, again, there's, I've got a full, a full playlist. There's, it basically covers like different, you know, different things to consider when, when thinking about Bitcoin privacy,

decentralized exchanges like Bisk, Sparrow and Wasabi and Samarrow. It talks about PANMs and it does have state chains, which is a relatively newer development as well. So if you're looking to play around and just learn about those things, then feel free to dive in. And also let me know what you think, what troubles you have, what concerns you may have. Yeah, that would be awesome. But with that, let's do a little rotation here. Thanks everybody in the chat, by the way. That's here.

I'm going to start pulling up more comments and stuff now that I'm through. with my topic, but we're going to jump over to Brianna, and I'm going to let you have your little rant. What are you excited about right now? Well, I don't know if you saw, but, you know, speaking of CashUp earlier, CashUp released their Q4 report recently, and they reported a nearly $2 billion Bitcoin revenue in Q4 of last year. And, you know, to me, that coupled with their lightning integration, excites me for a few reasons. You know, first of all, more people are using Bitcoin for payments, right? Cashup is a payment application.

And then I'm also seeing that neobanks built on Fiat rails are feeling the pressure, you know, and seeing the potential for Bitcoin payments, they're basically limited by what Fiat can do, right? And the numbers don't lie, there's demand. I think, though, that these neobanks are a little bit behind because they're still built on Fiat and like I said, they're trying to catch up, right? People still don't use Bitcoin because, you know, it's too volatile. It's confusing. There's too many steps.

The barrier to entry is way too high, right? But the thing is like we were all saying, you know, we're building for the future, not for, you know, the presence, the limitations that currently exists. And it's clear to me that even now Bitcoin can't. be so much more intuitive. It can be so much easier to use depending on what you're using it for. And obviously, if you build the right application, like we were all saying, it really comes down to building an app that my dad can use that my little sister can use, right? I don't want it to have to be something that people think about. And people shouldn't think about what money app they're

using, right? I think nowadays, if you're using, if you're living on Fiat, which most people, in the world are, you're using like, gosh, like five to 10 apps to deal with your money. You know, you're using your Chase or your Wells Fargo for your banking. And then you have your like 10 different payment apps. You have your Venmo, cash app, PayPal, etc., depending on who uses what. You have all of your different, you know, investment portfolios, your savings. Maybe your money tracking apps. There's just, it's just too hectic.

It's too much. and Bitcoin solves a lot of this, right? You can actually marry banking and payments together with Bitcoin. And I think this is what a lot of these neobanks are trying to do like CashUp and Venmo, right? They're trying to introduce Bitcoin. But, you know, Noah, for example, the company that I'm running with an amazing team, we're marrying payments and banking together. So you won't have to switch from your Wells Fargo to your Venmo.

It'll all be in one place, right? You'll be able to, you know, receive your direct deposits into the NOAA app as Bitcoin or as a stable coin, you know, in case you're a little uneasy about using Bitcoin or receiving Bitcoin, right? And then in the same place, you can send lightning payments to any other lightning wallet with your own lightning address. So now you're not using this like random string of numbers and letters. You're using Brianna at know about me. And you can send Bitcoin to anyone around the world, anyone who has a lightning wallet, anyone who has a Bitcoin wallet, regardless of the platform, regardless of the app, right? then there's there's so many options for you know adding credit cards to this using your bitcoin as

collateral what if you don't have credit what do you do right but you have bitcoin because you get paid in bitcoin or you know you live in a country where that is the only way you can get paid for example there's just there's so many opportunities to to you know make banking and payments together. And so that's what I'm really excited about. That this is all music to my ears because a single location where like, because, you know, unfortunately, there's still a couple ways in which I get fiat. And so, you know, like, for instance, YouTube, like any ad revenue that just comes in from YouTube is a direct deposit to a. Canadian Bank, which I very, you know, I intuitively I knew, but very recently found out specifically

that that's not a super reliable place to store any amount of money. So, you know, having, having a place where a fiat coming in can convert to Bitcoin instantly, and then I can pay any relevant bills right out the hop. And then, you know, if I choose to have, some sort of a savings mechanism, I can do that through there. But if I want self-custody in a lightning wallet or on-chain or something, I can just do that immediately. It removes the, you know, the multitude of apps that I currently do that with. So, yeah, that's definitely something that I hope that I can, you know, experience soon.

Is there an ETA on like where are you guys at? Yeah. So gosh, all of us have our heads down and we're just working away to build this app. But right now our MVP is going to be ready, hopefully right before the Bitcoin conference. And we're closing the wait list in a couple of weeks, which by the way, we haven't announced it. But we're closing the wait list in a couple of weeks. And we're going to let people pre-register their lightning addresses, the top. 100 on the waiting list. So you'll be able to get a sweet, sweet lighting address. But very

excited for the MVP. It's going to be very simple. For us, the most important thing is building an app that's very, very user-friendly, right? We're testing with so many, you know, different user segments. And I'm testing with a lot of people in my life that don't use Bitcoin, that don't understand Bitcoin, that think that Bitcoin encapsulates all cryptocurrencies, which is a lot of people, right? And so really we're very focused on making this an app that everyone can use. So it obviously takes time. But the MVP will be ready very, very soon, hopefully by the beginning of April.

So I'm very excited about that. That's exciting. Yeah. Are you going to be down in Miami for the conference? Are you going to be there? Of course. Yeah. I'll get to meet you there.

Awesome. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Well, I mean, I already said my bit. I'll let Brandon and Dan dive in if you want. Yeah, we'll also be down at Bitcoin, Miami as well.

So hopefully we'll meet you guys there, grab a beer or something. But yeah, I mean, this makes me extremely bullish as well. I've had actually some real issues. dealing with my Fiat to try to transfer it to various locations lately. I don't know if you guys have had this similar issue, but, you know, there's in the States, at least there's this company called Plaid that allows you to transfer money from one place to another. So, you know, it even makes it difficult to transfer money into my Roth IRA account, which is,

you know, extremely frustrating. And then I always have like problems, you know, transferring it from one bank to another. And then it's like, all right, well, I have to go through all these loops and back. in order to get my direct deposit to a different, you know, to a different bank from my, from my W2 jobs. So, yeah, that's another issue that I don't, I think very many people, at least in the United States, probably globally experience as well, where it's like, okay, I have my money in one place and it's just very difficult to use it or transfer to another place. I know, too, there was another, there was a long period of time where a lot of merchants

in the United States didn't accept like American Express credit cards. So you had to have multiple in order to do that. And I think this is a big issue that Bitcoin solves where, you know, if you have something or a location and it just has access to the Lightning Network, you could transfer it seemingly anywhere at any place at any time. And you don't need, you know, that third party middleman that's kind of, you know, causing you to go through some hurdles and things like that. So get on you, Brianna.

and I hope the program or everything rolls out smoothly. And I think I'm going to join the wait list here shortly too as well. To your note about it's difficult moving money around. I mean, Briani, we're saying with lightning integration, again, that not only allows you to seamlessly move in and out, like into lightning wallets, but to other platforms. And this is one of the big things that Jack Mallors talks about is they're plugged in to a global, global value, like a global network for value.

It's not that it's a walled garden with a whole bunch of features. It's that you can flow into and out of anything that's connected to the lightning network seamlessly. So if you've got money and strike, you can go over to NOAA. If you've got money in strike or cash app or NOAA, you can flow between them and any other place that allows for lightning. And that's, I think, where we're headed. and, you know, things like Robin Hood and PayPal and Venmo and all that shit, they're going to be playing catch-up if they don't get on this train pretty quick. Yeah, definitely.

I definitely agree. It's all about interoperability, right? Yeah, yeah. Dan, if you wanted to dive in and all, too. Yeah, sure. The other thing, I mean, you mentioned what Mahler's is doing with Strike. With Strike, you can do it with Cash, too, right? So it's crazy.

moving money around. If I wanted to send, I won't name what bank I use, but if I wanted to send money to my own mother, like through just my bank, if I want to get it to her today, right now, the fee is like $35 or something. I mean, it's a high fee. And the thing is, you know, I could tell my mom, well, I could send you money instantaneously through the Lightning Network, but she's going to say, well, I don't want, she doesn't, she doesn't know anything about Bitcoin. She wants to have cash. She wants to have Fiat, right? So it's not just about making the UI design and having all of these privacy tools,

but then it's also about how do you get your customers to trust you? So Brianna, I'm wondering, when you deal with people that aren't Bitcoin users, is there a trust, is there a trust problem that you've got to solve before you can convince them to onboard? And if so, how do you do that? Yeah, absolutely. Trust is it's something that you earn, right? But, you know, for us, a reason, for example, why we're using stable coins in addition to Bitcoin, that won't be an RMP, but that is in the roadmap, is because we want people to feel comfortable

with the idea of maybe switching a little bit back and forth or receiving their first paycheck in the app, right? Maybe they're uncomfortable with receiving it in Bitcoin, but they're a little bit more uncomfortable being a USD sort of denominated currency. So I think that's going to be helpful in onboarding a lot of my friends, for example,

who do not trust Bitcoin and quite a few folks. I also think it's a matter of education, right? So on our end, it's very important for us to start creating very educational materials that really guide

you throughout the app to help you understand why are we using Bitcoin right now? What is lightning? Do you even need to know what lightning is, right? I think it all starts with people are usually scared of things they don't understand. And so, you know, all of us right now, we're explaining, you know, I don't know to who, but we're helping in that education process. And I think that's equally as important. But yeah, it all, it all, you know, starts with education and then also just kind of helping people slowly get into Bitcoin. It's not black and white. Yeah, absolutely. It's, you know, and all of it, so it's, there's a learning process to it.

And then there's the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the people, and they need, um, something semi familiar or, you know, maybe they're just using Bitcoin as a payments rails and don't even realize it. But if it's available, there is an option that that familiarity, those touch points become the impetus to maybe start looking at it and reading about it or considering it or saving a little bit in it here and there. And things like I love the idea of rewards points being being in Bitcoin, things like that. I think that's so much more forward thinking than this the early push of we just need merchant adoption because it just became like a stick, right?

It's a marketing ploy to try and get new customers, which typically never really worked, especially back then because people were like, well, I want to get Bitcoin. I want to own some Bitcoin. But why would you take dollars by Bitcoin to then exchange Bitcoin for dollars to then buy something? Right. So I think that it's the idea of getting people curious about Bitcoin on their own. and actually wanting Bitcoin is a much better route than trying to push merchants that don't give a shit to accept it. I think it's better to just bridge the gap. But yeah, I got a, and a cipher poet is in their chat.

He said offering like a test net mode or like just a way to pretend that you're sending or do, you know, like an imaginary account or something like that to see how it works. is a great way for Bitcoin and Lightning products to educate users without having them risk actual sats. And also, I got to give a hat tip to Cypore poet. He helps me all the time in the background with the show now, actually. He helps me do like uploads and show notes and everything. And so I'm eternally grateful for him. So I'm excited to see him watching the stream.

So thanks, man. Glad you're here. There's also been some slights and some jabs. at in particular Dan. I guess Dan's just a shady guy. But there's a lot of a lot of poking at Dan. And also I, yeah. So Dan, are you a shady guy?

What's the deal here? Well, I can't see the comments. I don't know what they're saying about me. Yeah. Go to the comment section on the right next to the privacy chat in this screen. Yeah. Some person with the green candle. I don't know who that is.

I don't, yeah, I don't know. It says that Dan looks like Will Clemente, or at least agreed with some of the earlier comments. They're also saying that you may be on the sauce. You may be drinking mid-show. Well, look, I want to address, I'm drinking just water today. I want to address David Wong, though, number one fan here saying you can use PayPal and she'll get it right away.

Well, check out the fee structure on PayPal, right? Like, if you use Lightning Network, you can get it virtually for free. So, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's, and then as far as the Canadian Bitcorners podcast goes over there, I see them chatting up. These guys are just scumbags, man. You know, I can't, I can't follow half the things they're talking about on their show. They use Canadian, I don't know. Those thick, disgusting Canadian accents? What's up with that?

It's not the accents, but they have all these phrases that I just don't understand. We actually got into a big spat recently with Canadians about ketchup chips. So I don't know if we want to get into this. They don't taste like ketchup, just so you know. Well, we tasted them. They're terrible. I think Dan just about threw up. Yeah.

When you're a child, they are okay, I'll say. Oh, I won't defend. I'm not going to go to bat for ketchup chips. All right, good on you. The one thing that we keep saying is that Americans, if anything, we know junk food. So you can trust our opinion on chips. I think that's true. I also saw somebody in the chat.

One more shout out here. Somebody in the chat said that David works for the World Economic Forum. And guys, I just want to say, if we could cut down on the hate speech, you know, like calling somebody out for working for the WEF. I think that's, we're going a little too far here. That crosses the line for sure. Yeah, that's, that's deeply offensive. So, yeah.

Anyways, I think, you know, I really enjoyed talking about that. Brianna, I very much look forward to trying things out. And, and yeah, I'll keep my eyes peeled for that wait list. But yeah, again, not to show it too much so I can bump myself up the wait list, but there's a link in the show notes. So, yeah, let's. Let's do a little rotation. Let's jump to Brandon.

Your chance, man. Feel free. Rant away. All right. My time to shine, huh? All right. So, yeah, I'm very bullish because of all the country adoption. So, you know, last year we had El Salvador, make Bitcoin legal tender.

And it's kind of the success that's been going on in El Salvador has kind of pushed it forward in Latin America. So we've also seen strike move into Argentina. recently. And then that's kind of like trickled over into Brazil is now regulating, you know, Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. They're voting on a bill right now to regulate Bitcoin and crypto. You know, I'm not always big on regulation, so to speak, but the fact that Bitcoin and crypto is kind of, you know, in the discussions as far as like, you know, in the political

discussions here or there, I think that's, you know, pretty significant that, you know, the higher-ups are recognizing, okay, this is a big deal, this is a big market, this is, you know, something that's not necessarily going away, is definitely very bullish going forward. And then we also had, you know, a senator in Mexico that plans on submitting a bill to make Bitcoin legal tender in Mexico. So now we have, you know, multiple Latin American countries come in. And, you know, Latin America, maybe not quite as established as the United States, for example, or maybe as Canada or anything like that. But we're also seeing some traction in the United States as well.

You know, we recently had Colorado announce that they're going to accept Bitcoin as in taxes. And then California and Arizona also proposed to make Bitcoin legal tender. So I know that's kind of a lot ranting through. But, you know, overall, I think it's very bullish going forward that, A lot of these countries, states, and places and governments overall are proposing to make Bitcoin legal tender or are proposing to accept Bitcoin. And, you know, that just makes it big going forward. You know, we've got a lot of steps going on in the Lightning Network and things like that to make it easily transactable. I think people are kind of opening up to the fact that it is, you know, are extremely cheap to transact here back and forth and extremely quick to.

too, right? So, you know, I know, Ben, you're in Canada. I'm down in Florida. Banks are closed, but if I wanted to send you stats right now, I could do that seemingly instantaneously. And I think not only people and like, you know, general plebs and things like that are opening up to that, but now governments are kind of seeing the power of Bitcoin and, you know, I guess crypto to a lesser extent. And yeah, I just definitely think like going forward that's that's very big and for governments to kind of get involved and encourage this to maybe some countries that aren't quite as developed and maybe haven't, you know, heard of it or necessarily or, you know, some of these countries that are on the U.S. dollar or on a currency that's very volatile to kind of move towards Bitcoin and

create a Bitcoin standard in that country, especially seeing the success. in El Salvador, you know, is very bullish for me going forward because I think it's, you know, kind of a slow adoption like we were talking about earlier with the internet and then slow, slow, slow, then all of a sudden it's very rapid. So I think we're kind of seeing the early parts where a few countries here or there, a few states here or there are, you know, introducing Bitcoin as, you know, somewhat making regulations, laws, legal tender, what have you. and then from there it's going to keep continuing and soon it won't be able to be stopped.

It's like, all right, well, I got to get on the train or I'm going to get left behind sort of thing. So I guess that's my little rant here there. So I'll leave it to everybody else to let me know what they think about it. Yeah, I mean, you're right. There's been, I mean, there's been more kind of headlines and developments and interests around kind of of the not just nation states, but even more granular getting down to municipalities and states looking into incorporating Bitcoin in some way, whether it be Treasury, whether it be legal tender laws, anything like that.

There's been so much of it. And I think back a few years and seeing anything, any headline like this would have been mind-blowing. But now it's just, you know, that Overton window is shifted. And, you know, like you see, oh, California is considering, you know, they're looking at a bill that's being tabled about Bitcoin being legal tender. And you're kind of like, oh, yeah, that's cool. And it's like it's just something that you hear more now, which is easy to forget how far are things come. and how much of a big deal that would have been without the context of El Salvador just last year, just within a single calendar year to see that much change and that be batted around is wild.

I don't know, and maybe you guys will have a better idea about this, but what are the implications of an individual state? declaring Bitcoin legal tender because like there's there's I imagine the federal level there's there's quite a bit of I don't see overreach but yes overreach there's there's a lot playing into that so you know what changes if there's a legal tender law within a state we even know so I don't think that necessarily you know it'll do anything I don't think it'll get past or anything like that but I think it's just a step in the right direction right I think it could be something similar to maybe sports gambling laws or, you know, marijuana legalization in the United

States where a few states do it here or there. And then all the sudden, you know, then it's, all right, the whole entire states or every single state is like, all right, we have to make it legal tender because, you know, people are fleeing to Arizona, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, like the states that are more Bitcoin friendly. And we're kind of already starting to see that in the United States. Texas and Florida, Tennessee, like these states that stayed more open and are more Bitcoin friendly seem to have a lot more people moving down to them, you know, currently.

So a lot of people kind of voting with their legs, so to speak, right now as well. So I think, you know, these states, I know Illinois and Georgia recently passed some legislation to make the Bitcoin mining more friendly in those states, although energy isn't quite as abundant as like a state like Texas, it's definitely trying to bring people more in. So I think, you know, as far as like the 50 states goes, there's just like, well, we have to, we have this big industry and it's rapidly growing. If we want to attract people to stay in our state or move to our state, we need to start adopting it as well. So not only on a global level, I think like in a state level in the United

States. It's definitely kind of becoming almost like a turf battle where people are like, all right, well, we're more friendly than this state and et cetera, et cetera, you know, so. Yeah. Interesting. I meant it plays into the tax thing too because federal, like if it's, if it's on a state level, it's considered legal tender, then then capital gains tax. I don't know like at what level of government that's taxed at or if or if it's both. But, I'm curious if it would play into that as well or if it would have to be federal. Yeah, I mean, I know that it's unconstitutional to create your own legal tender on a state level. So with that being said, I'm not sure if there would actually be any effect at all, right?

It would be largely symbolic. But I guess that symbolism is like kind of, you know, we're standing in solidarity. with the ideals of Bitcoin, right? Well, and also the, like, the, the, the feds regulated weed, right? But then the states were like, except here, and then, and then just, you know, like, Colorado and places like that, you could just, it, it was legal, but it wasn't. Like, how did that play out? There could be, you know, a constitutional amendment, right?

I guess nothing like this, there, there was, you know, one case. out what it was called. But there was a case where a state tried to make their own currency. And that was found to be unconstitutional based on, you know, the fact that the currency is controlled at the federal level. So I don't know if that's, you know, just completely different precedent than drug laws, for example, right? So it could just be an entirely different area. But, you know, the Constitution was made to be amended, so you never know. So we'll just see what state yolos. It creates some interesting conflicts to, like marijuana, for example, it's legalized at the state level, but not at the federal level.

So there are some states where, I don't know what you call them dealers, I guess, or growers. They can't use, like any, they can't use a lot of the banks because the banks are regulated federally. So, you know, it's, it's, there's some interesting, interesting conflicts that arise when a state tries to pass something that is technically not, not controlled or run by the federal, the federal government. So yeah, it's interesting. I did want to touch on, we can come back to it, but I did want to touch a little bit on Brandon's points about Latam adoption too, because I think we're, yeah, I think we're more likely to see that before we see anything happen in the states. and a big part of it is just being able to receive remittance payments, right? I think that's a big part of what drove what happened in El Salvador and it's paying off for them, obviously.

I saw a report that their tourism's way up and it seems like people are really using it for remittance payments, which is great to see. And then, yeah, I think it's just a matter of time before something like this happens in Brazil or Venezuela or any other country that's kind of, you know, you know, there's, there's a lot of people that want to send money from the United States back home and to do so without using something like Western Union would be huge for them. So I think we're more likely to see it in Latam before we see it happen in the States. Just so you know, El Salvador tourism is up 30% since the Bitcoin made Bitcoin legal,

but the country is still on the brink of economic disaster. Yeah, yeah. And the Fed doesn't want them to use it. Thanks. Thanks, Fortune. Thank you for that. Just pepper that in there. Cool. I think it's hilarious too. I think the United States was like investigating El Salvador's adoption of Bitcoin as legal tender saying it was detrimental to the country and everything like that. And you see statistics like that.

And it's just like how can you say those kind of things? Isn't their GDP up like 10%? Something like that? Yeah. I think I saw somebody in the comments say that as well. And they said that that's like the first time that's ever happened. So obviously a great move. And I think going forward, like these Latam countries are seeing the success that El Salvador is having.

And they're like, all right, well, if El Salvador is doing it and it's doing so well, we should implement it as well. Well, the other thing about El Salvador is they, I mean, they still can use the U.S. dollar. But they're completely reliant on the U.S. dollar, which is governed by people that they have no say in electing. Right. Even us in the U.S. we don't elect the people at the Federal Reserve. We don't elect the Secretary of the Treasury. They're all appointed positions.

So, yeah, we elect the people that appoint them. But at the end of the day, it's like, why would a country, why would a sovereign country like El Salvador want to be reliant on someone else's currency when they've got no say in the people that are controlling it? How dare they? How dare they try something totally different and not just rely on the U.S.? It's insane. Yeah, so I think good on them and I hope to see more people do the same.

Yeah, and I mean, it's so crazy because whenever I try to, you know, explain Bitcoin to someone, I usually ask, you know, do you ever have to send money abroad or to a family member? And sometimes the answer is yes, right? And so then I explain, I'm like, well, it's costly. It's a long process. And I'm sure your friends or your family have to go somewhere really far to get that money, right? And they're like, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, you know you can send money to friends and family abroad instantly for like zero dollars, right?

And immediately they're like, how do I do this? Can I do it right now? And it's so simple to so many people. But I think the narrative just has to be much simpler, right? Yeah. And it has to focus on like you're saying, the network and not the asset, right? You've got Bitcoin the asset, which is great. but then you've also got Bitcoin the network,

which is capable of doing things like instantaneous free remittance payments. And unfortunately, I think people in the U.S. get caught up on Bitcoin the asset without thinking about Bitcoin the network. And so, yeah, I think selling Bitcoin the network is way easier than selling the asset. When you're trying to sell the asset, they're saying, oh, well, it's volatile. And oh, it's, you know, it's just fake money. It's all of these things. And if you sell the network, I think it's way easier.

Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Awesome. Well, I enjoy that topic. It's always interesting to see, again, how quickly things have moved this, the Overton window shift. And, you know, if we're used to this right now, you think a few years out.

Think of how much can happen again. Like, it's that age old, again, people overestimate what can happen in a year, but they underestimate what can happen in a decade. And we're seeing that play out because the second El Salvador did it, everybody's like, by the end of the year, year like all of central and south america is going to do this and that's not exactly how things typically work but go out five years 10 years what's it going to look like it's probably going to have moved a lot quicker than people might assume given the past year so excited to see that so

any final thoughts on this topic anything else anybody wanted to throw in last minute all good I'm good, yeah. Cool. All right. Well, let's do one more rotation here. Everybody in the chat, of course, keep them coming. David wants everybody to know that he says, up one year, down five years. Is it, though?

I'm pretty sure it's like up three years down one year for the entire history of Bitcoin. I'm pretty sure that's the case. But, you know, we'll give you an L for that one. But, you know, good try. At least you tried. Bart Simpson Giff. But we're going to rotate. Dan, you are up.

What are you bullish on this week? What are you excited about? I've got three words. Marty on Tucker. I'm super bullish. Yeah, super bullish. I mean, so here's my thing. The vast majority of people that, at least in the U.S.,

probably in Canada, or maybe even globally that use Bitcoin or have Bitcoin are holding it on an exchange and a hot wallet. They don't own their own keys. And so what I'm excited about is Marty Bank getting on one of the most watched news networks, or not networks, news shows in the country and educating people on the importance of taking control over their own keys. And he's, of course, doing it in the context of what's happening in Canada right now. It's the perfect context to relate this to people, right? Your bank account could be frozen in a heartbeat, no questions asked, no due process.

If you think that these major companies, especially the publicly traded ones, we don't have to name names, but if you're holding it with one of these companies in the SEC or the IRS, if they slap a subpoena on this company, they're going to comply with that subpoena. your information is going to be handed over and you're at risk of asset freezing. So I'm just super bullish to see we're finally kind of getting into the mainstream, not just about buying Bitcoin, but about actually using Bitcoin the right way and holding your own keys. So it kind of circles back to what you were talking about at beginning of the show.

Privacy is a huge part of it. And at the end of the day, if you're not actually holding your Bitcoin, that's really not your Bitcoin. And it's at risk just like your Fiat's at risk. So happy to see Marty. bank get on Tucker Carlson and and preach about this. So yeah, that's short but sweet. I'm happy to see it and it makes me extremely bullish. I love it. You know, first of all, well deserved for Marty. You know, he's he's a legend in the in the Bitcoin space, in the mining space, in the podcast space.

He's awesome. You know, it's one of those go-to podcasts that you've got to check out every week. and to see again to see marty up there like on the largest news network in america is is something else and there's been these past couple weeks there's been again like there's what's what's the other quote there's decades where nothing happens and then there's weeks where decades happen or something along something to that effect i feel like these past few weeks have been that happening. There's another, and to your point of this kind of mainstream coverage. Now, I will say it's a little politicized in this clip, but I'm going to play it anyways.

Did you guys see the Ted Cruz thing? Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. So he's at CPAC, and I imagine this was in Texas. I think so. and he's talking about Bitcoin in particular he's talking about Nunchuk wallets retort to

the Canadian government and like the Ontario Justice, whatever it was that emailed them a letter I'll play it I don't know how well let me know if the if the sound is coming through okay one sec here so we need to decentralize we need to break it apart. It's one of the reasons why I am so bullish on crypto, on Bitcoin. Because it is decentralized and not controllable. And let me give a fantastic example.

So Justin Trudeau said, I don't like me some truckers. So we're going to seize your assets. So then the court went to try to seize the crypto that was being given to the truckers. Bitcoin. And I don't know how many of y'all saw a letter. that I actually want to read from. It's a letter from a company, Bitcoin company called Nunchuk. Here's part of the letter,

Dear Ontario, Superior Court of Justice, our software is free. We do not collect any user identification information beyond email addresses. We also do not hold any keys. Therefore, we cannot freeze our users' accounts. We cannot prevent them from being moved. We do not have the knowledge of, quote,

the existence, nature, value, and location of our users' assets. This is by design. Please look up how self-custody and private keys work. When the Canadian dollar becomes worthless, we will be here to serve you to. Yeah. a little wild to see it. Now, I will say he goes on to politicize it and say,

oh, the left hates this because, and so he uses it obviously as a tool to drum up, you know, like cheers and stuff like that. But in the end, he's, he does point out kind of, you know, how, how Bitcoin works. And a lot of people see stuff like this. And in the end, yes, This will politicize it and people on the other side of the aisle will likely sneer at it and not be super excited. But eventually it comes around to be useful for people on the other side of the aisle. And in the end, it's a tool.

It's just a tool that anybody can use and it can be as helpful as Bitcoin is for anyone. And so, you know, if it's useful for somebody you don't like right now, it can still be equal. useful for you when you need it. So I think it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, 1,000 percent. The key, though, is that you know, you've got to be, you've got to use the tools that allow you to take full advantage of what Bitcoin is. And Nunchuk might be able to send that letter, but a publicly traded company, they could send a letter like that in the next day, be with a subpoena and have to give over your information. So again, it's, to me, it's all about, you know, it's like, make sure you're using the right tools. And then it goes back to what we're talking about.

earlier. Well, those tools need to be accessible, easy to use, super intuitive. And so, yeah, I don't mind if my politics get out there. I like the speech. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, it does kind of outline, you know, regardless of what protest it's for in the end, like, you know, all of the issues that are happening over in Ukraine right now, yesterday in the first, few hours, 14 and a half Bitcoin were donated over there to help with the situation in a single day. That's, that's and and obviously instantly accessible and can be used as they see fit over there. But it doesn't matter if, again, a movement that you don't like utilizes it. It's apolitical.

Anybody can can use it. And I think even in the past couple of years, we've kind of seen that. that there is a need for that. There's a distinct need for apolitical censorship-resistant money for everyone. And there will continue to be a need for that because what are you going to, just because a movement you don't like was able to utilize it, are you going to then revoke that tool to people that you do agree with? Because then you're going to end up doing more damage than good.

not only that, but you can't really revoke the tool. It's there. Anybody can use it with the tools that they see fit. So I'll leave it up for other comments. I don't know, Brandon, Brianna, do you want to dive into anything that Dan said earlier, anything we're currently talking about? Yeah, for sure. I mean, Teddy Cancun over here preaching for Bitcoin.

I mean, as a guy, I'm originally from Texas. So, you know, I think everything that Ted Cruz is saying, you know, is on point. So overall, I think, you know, just what back to what Dan was saying with Marty Bent on, with Marty Ben on Tucker Carlson, I think it just gives overall exposure to a different crowd that, you know, people necessarily didn't really hear about, you know, my parents watch Fox News and, you know, all those kind of news outlets and things like that. So now that they're seeing exposure to Bitcoin, they've actually asked me to help them

obtain some. You know, when a few years ago, when I was telling them, hey, get into it, they thought it was a scam and, you know, only for drug deals and things like that. So it brings in a different audience for sure. And I think overall, it's just, you know, more bullish to people coming in, you know, going forward. So I definitely think a lot of exposure and, and who better to have on there than Marty Bent. I mean, the guy is, the guy is great. he breaks things down very well and he's now a resident of Austin, Texas too.

So Texas represented out there as much as they can. I got to make a trip down there. I've never been to tech. Well, I shouldn't say I've never been, but I've been through airports, which doesn't obviously count. Yeah, exactly. That doesn't count.

Well, yeah, if you head down to Austin or something, let me know and I can give you some recommendations. It's changed a lot since I've lived there, but there's a lot of good spots that I still know for sure. A big block boom is happening in Austin again this year, right? Yeah, it is. I don't know if I'll be at that one. You know, maybe if somebody in the audience has a hookup to give me a ticket,

nudge, nudge, wink, wink, I will be there. But other than that, it's a toss-up at this point. Yeah, I'm going to have to make the pilgrimage. I feel like it's, again, I'm kind of in the Texas of Canada, but it's still Canada. So, you know, I have to make a little trip. We'll see. Anyways, Brianna, I'm sorry.

I'm cutting off time. No, no worries. I just kind of wanted to go back to something that you said, which was that Bitcoin is a political, right? It's for everyone. People you don't like, people you love, people you don't even know. And of course, there are going to be people that use it

that you really hate and you disagree with. But at the end of the day, day, no one can change that. No one can change the fact that everyone can use it. Everyone has access to it, right? So I think that's really powerful. Yeah, absolutely. Romal says Bitcoin is even for David Wong. I just realized I said that, but it's true. It is, David. It's here for you. We're waiting. But yeah, you know, it's, I'm excited to see more Bitcoiners start to be plastered. across the news because it's going to be more and more relevant as time goes on. And there's a lot of very intelligent people in Bitcoin that I've come across that

have a lot of unique perspectives and frameworks to look at the world. And I very much look forward to seeing them kind of orange-pilling the masses bit by bit, segment by segment. So I think I think Rogan's close. I think Joe Rogan's close man because like you know Jordan Peterson's starting to talk about it a bit. He's starting to he's I think he's been fully orange pill Peterson. But then he's had on a couple other guests where he's talked just a tiny bit about Bitcoin. So if Joe Rogan flips man, good luck good luck to everything else. That would be huge. Yeah. Yeah, that'll be I he's got to get it at some point. I mean, he's obviously exposed to it.

He kind of understands, but, you know, it's going to be hard to run from that eventuality. So we shall see. I don't know. So, guys, I think I'm going to start rounding it out. But what I'd like to do is maybe just a round of final thoughts. And then I'll try not to put you on the spot too quickly here. But I'd also love to get a recommendation from you to the people watching. of anything you'd like them to check out,

whether it be like a piece of content, a podcast you recently listened to a book, an app to check out. Really anything that you want, you think would be valuable for people to take a peek at. Yeah, this is your chance to impart some knowledge wherever you see fit. So I guess all kind of rounded out just by saying, we're kind of living through a time where a lot is happening in a short little window.

And it makes me think of the book, the fourth turning, where, you know, you go through these generational cycles. But there's kind of a big, a big shift at the end. And the way that all our lives are lived drastically changes at the kind of, kind of, of in that final generational shift. And if that thesis does indeed play out, I think we're kind of in the midst of it right now. There's a lot of things happening around the globe. And Bitcoin in part can offer a solution to a lot of problems that are out there, or at least a partial solution, depending on what the problem is.

And so I think that these next few years and kind of through the 2020s, there are going to be just massive seismic shifts in the way that we look at reality, the way that we look at the world and the way that we think and communicate as a species. And my hope is that we come out better on the other side of it and that Bitcoin in part can be a mechanism for better communicating truth and better communicating the aggregate will of people, at least economically. So that's kind of my hope. And I guess with saying that, my recommendation would be to read the fourth turning.

It's really interesting whether or not you agree with it or not is totally fine. but it basically is a book based on the premise of, there's a quote called, go something like, hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times.

Or people, we'll say, but regardless, it's kind of based on that premise. And depending on whether you're born in the good times or the bad times or what shift, Oh, I see. Good. In the chat. Just so you know, webcams dash chat.com is in the chat. And there's hot girls and boys video chat. Let's ban that person. Block. Anyways, interjected in the middle of my rant. But anyways, it is a very interesting, interesting read. And I guess these next few years we'll see if the premise that they base the book on is indeed. even partially true.

So I'll leave it there. Let's rotate through, Brianna. Do you have any final thoughts for the day? Anything you wanted to leave with? And any recommendations of stuff to check out? Yeah, I think after this conversation, you know, it's very clear that there is a need for Bitcoin everywhere by everyone. And, you know, even if people don't like it,

even if they're skeptical about it at the end, we're all going to be using it and most people won't even know it. So, you know, I think just like you said, just like all of us said, it's in the next few years and we're right in the middle of it. And I'm just really, really, really grateful that I get to be a part of this piece of history and get to, you know, have these conversations and that we're still all so early to this. So that's my final thought. obviously I'm going to tell everyone to check out NOAA, NOAA.com and sign up for the wait list. We're actually going to be putting out a bunch of great educational materials

for folks who don't know much about Bitcoin at all. So, yeah, check it out. I see little Bitcoin bees. So I'm already happy. So, yeah, excited to check it out. I'm glad you got to chat about it today. Awesome. Awesome. We will rotate down to, well, before we get to Brandon, Canadian bitcoins want to know if Dan, if you'll be talking about your recent purchase of board Ape NFTs.

I would, but they were stolen, unfortunately. They disappeared off open seized, though. Open seized, right? Well, let's do, Brandon, we'll go with you first. final thoughts and then any recommendations you may have for people to check out. All right. Final thoughts. Just buy Bitcoin.

Get on it and get off zero if you're not already there. So I guess recommendations. I'm not going to pump our own stuff. I'll let Dan do our little wrap up for that. I'll pump the Canadian Bitcoiners podcast if you guys haven't listened to them. They're good buddies of ours. They kill it with the content. They've been interviewing a lot of great guests lately.

And also this is Big Cointers. Bitcoin podcast with our buddy Bitcoin Gandalf. And then he's also, you know, at BTC times or at BTC on Twitter. You know, if you guys are following that, you know, they put out a lot of great news and things like that too where you can stay up to date on the latest news where, you know, the latest going on in Bitcoin world. So, all right. Dan, I'll let you wrap it up and tell us what, tell everybody what we got going on, I guess.

Go for it. Yeah, my takeaways are similar to everyone else's. You know, it's utilize Bitcoin as a tool for financial freedom and do so in ways that you actually can. You know, you have to hold your own key. You know, it's all the stuff that basically everybody preaches. You have to hold your own keys. Use it the way that it's meant to be used. And yeah, on top of telling people to check out our stuff, which you can find on Twitter at Green Candle IT,

I'll tell people to pick up the book, Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning, and just understand that your individual actions can have major consequences outside of yourself. And that can be good and bad. So take radical responsibility over your own life and make Bitcoin part of that because that's how you take radical responsibility over your financial well-being. Wow.

I haven't read that, so I'm going to have to check it out. Interesting. awesome well guys uh thank you so much for joining me i really appreciate your time friday is always the best day i get to just hang out with bitcoins and chat so uh i i appreciate that canadian bitcoins echo you radical financial responsibility uh so yeah thank thanks again for being here you are all welcome back anytime uh so have a great weekend cheers to that let's do it thanks so much thanks so much thanks so much Awesome.

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